@@MagicMusicAdam I’ve been binge watching as well… I don’t need another poly synth but man… this synth is far more impressive than I was expecting. I might have to sell a few other pieces and pick one up hah.
@@McEnroe911 same - I didn't need another polysynth - but I really wanted this, especially after seeing all the previews. Only had a short time with it so far but looking forward to digging into it.
Thanks SOS for the video! ❤ Anyone who is interested, let me quickly highlight how this synth is unique or interesting IMO: - the LFOs, apart from the usual shapes, come with complex custom shapes (the "+" symbol above the waveform button) - in the dual VCOs there is a wavemix feature where you can set the balance of levels between pulse and triangle / saw (/which you can also mix freely!) - you can program a lot of generative behavior into the sequencer with gate, velocity and note chance / probability for more unpredictability - there's dual timbre addressing in the sequencer so it can play both timbres at once or only chosen notes for timbre A and B (which makes it more fun!) - in the mod matrix you can use functions to change the well-known shapes of sine, square LFOs into uniquely new ones, or create custom curves for envelopes / aftertouch response, etc. - the mixer allows for a clean mix of all analog sources but you can also use the overload slider to overdrive the signal like the classic Moog CP-3 mixer does - the delay works like vintage digital rack units in that it's highly configurable and can provide stereo delays with ping pong behavior, filtered multi-tap tape echo-style delays, or reverb + dreamy chorused-diffusion trails. Generally it's a sonic playground for time-based effects. Thank you Moog!!!
Also, officially from MOOG tech support. Envelope times are 10 seconds per stage, but also depends on the ENV shapes, of course. Finally and of great importance is the fact that the MIX knob in the effects section is a real mix knob meaning that at full counterclockwise it is fully analog out, and at full clockwise, all digital. This means that the Muse will not have it's dry signal in the digital domain as a Digital Dry signal. This is very import and welcome news. I will have mine on this coming Monday. I will like to report on it here.
Thanks, I wasn‘t aware that the waveshapes can be modified. Another great feature! The waveform mixer in the OSC section somehow reminds me of the PolyBrute. ;) Random question: I have had my Muse for half a day and find it mostly self-explanatory. But how can the pitch bend range be adjusted? I‘m too stupid for that.
Moog did a great job on this. It does the classic Moog sounds very well, while also being able to do more complex sounds not possible on classic Moogs. And this combined with it being a 8-voice polyphonic., it's really great for for live playing too! I like this much more than the Moog One, which was too complex and didn't sound enough like a 'Moog' to me. This is the best Moog release in a long time!
Thanks for sharing this excellent video! Our wild guess: It definitely gives off a lot of Prophet-6 vibes in terms of usability. Like the Prophet-6, which was designed to be a successor to the P5, this instrument seems to aim for the same goal, but perhaps even better or in a unique way. While the Moog One is a sound designer's dream, it can be a bit more complicated and overwhelming and where the Matriarch sounds incredible too, it doesn't save patches. This synth seems to have solved these problems. After working with it for a month, you'll likely feel right at home, like it fits as comfortably as your favorite jacket. We could be utterly wrong ofcourse...
Great demo. I'll be sticking with my Moog One for now, as this is still a downgrade to the One. But I can understand if someone else sells their One for the Muse. It seems to be more for players than synth patch creators. Not having polyphonic aftertouch is still wild to me. And I agree with someone else in the comments; it sounds more like a Jupiter 8 than a Moog. Which isn't bad. Unless you view it as a bad thing.
Great and Wowsers only £3,000 too ! that`s not much more than a little Prophet/OB 6 even and there is so much more to this, they really knocked it out of the park on price here considering what you get
@@Claude_van don't be silly now! It's raw sound is phenomenal. But some sounds do require some more offsets per voice. It pains me to see how close to perfection this is! Hehe. Just add a vintage knob, a few effects like distortion, rotary, reverb side chains etc and this would be my forever synth
A ‘Performance Synth’ made For gigging but weighs 14.5kg. I got rid of my matriarch because it was too heavy carrying with the soft case. This is for studio use or for synth players that have roadies.
Moog should get Wendy Carlos to program presets for this synth. Like other recent Moogs, it seems to borrow architecture from the modular-- who's better at voicing modular Moog than Wendy Carlos?
Thanks for the video, some very useful information. Definitely a beast of a synth !! and quite intuitive to program. Obviously a massive amount of thought went into designing this. I was hanging out for the Muse for quite a while, and got impatient and bought an OB-X8 instead. The OB-X8 is a pretty amazing synth (Very musical and easy to use, in fact the best I've ever owned, and I've owned quite a few) , but doesn't have some of the flexibility of the Muse and and doesn't have internal effects. But to be honest I use a Hydrasynth to get the glassy / metallic and digital FM like sounds and have some classy external FX units, so the Muse mostly appeals for its Mooginess. I can't really justify buying a Muse, since I already have a great analogue poly synth. So, I'll probably settle for either a Matriarch or a Subsequent 37, both of which I love and it sounds like Moog are using their modular analogue components in their latest synths like the Matriarch and Muse, so I get the Mooginess for considerably less. But then who knows ...... time will tell 😊
Very beautiful and sexy. I could defenitely be interested. Even for the price which is kind of high for 2024. With 16 voices it would be a “hell yeah”. But with only 8 voices…that just not enough for a performance synth in 2024.
I am plunged into the depths of inexpressible disillusionment with this synthesizer. Hence, it is with an unassailable sense of inevitability and exacting propriety that I shall, without a shadow of doubt, procure the Moog Subsequent 37. This instrument stands as a quintessential embodiment of the loftiest ideals of Moog’s venerable and illustrious heritage, and its substantial and hallowed price is indubitably justified by its unparalleled excellence and transcendental craftsmanship.
Тысячи роликов на тему самых знатных и благородных синтезаторов! И чаще всего в памяти всплывают слова пошлость, жлобство и хитрожопость. И никому в голову не приходит нанять королей высшего пилотажа Hammer, Moraz, Wiedemann, Tibbs, Whity, чтобы поднять продажи этих игрушек в тысячи и тысячи раз.
After listening a handful of demos I have my first veredict: Sincerely, I expected way more from this synthesizer, its VCF lacks personality, VCOs are not fat (why Voyager VCOs?) and the Frankenstein look itself, an amalgam of different synths of diffferent eras, also not very convincing. A real polyphonic version of the Matriarch was a better idea in my opinion, albeit more expensive to come up with.
@@RayyMusik Enjoy it! But it sounds like a Polyphonic Moog Voyager, not the most vintage fat sounding synths ever made by Moog. Vintage Moog is another thing sorry. The Muse is still a capable synth,with lots of features and routes, but it compares more with a Turbo Prophet 06 than anything else.
@@ness2459 I have a P6 - very different filters. As for the oscillators: you can‘t stack 18 Minimoog oscillators into a poly synth without getting a muddy sound. They didn‘t do it in the Memorymoog, albeit it was advertised as “6 Minimoogs in 1 box“, and they are right to avoid it in the Muse. There are several demos that prove it can sound very powerful and dirty nevertheless.
@@RayyMusik Filters of Muse and P06 are in the same league of "lack of personality", they sound like many of the VCFs of modern analogue synths: metallic, bright, no punch,. And a stack of 24 Minimoog VCOs with individual levels for each voice, that's not impossible to do, its simply very expensive to market.
After binge watching every Muse video I could find for 2 days I couldn't resist any more. Mine arrives tomorrow!
Where’d you order from? I thought I ordered quickly but B&H us still saying “awaiting product”
@@MagicMusicAdam I’ve been binge watching as well… I don’t need another poly synth but man… this synth is far more impressive than I was expecting. I might have to sell a few other pieces and pick one up hah.
@@BrailleSounds I got mine from Gear4music - they had 20 in stock. Arrived this afternoon - only had an hour with it so far but I'm very impressed.
@@McEnroe911 same - I didn't need another polysynth - but I really wanted this, especially after seeing all the previews. Only had a short time with it so far but looking forward to digging into it.
Thanks SOS for the video! ❤ Anyone who is interested, let me quickly highlight how this synth is unique or interesting IMO:
- the LFOs, apart from the usual shapes, come with complex custom shapes (the "+" symbol above the waveform button)
- in the dual VCOs there is a wavemix feature where you can set the balance of levels between pulse and triangle / saw (/which you can also mix freely!)
- you can program a lot of generative behavior into the sequencer with gate, velocity and note chance / probability for more unpredictability
- there's dual timbre addressing in the sequencer so it can play both timbres at once or only chosen notes for timbre A and B (which makes it more fun!)
- in the mod matrix you can use functions to change the well-known shapes of sine, square LFOs into uniquely new ones, or create custom curves for envelopes / aftertouch response, etc.
- the mixer allows for a clean mix of all analog sources but you can also use the overload slider to overdrive the signal like the classic Moog CP-3 mixer does
- the delay works like vintage digital rack units in that it's highly configurable and can provide stereo delays with ping pong behavior, filtered multi-tap tape echo-style delays, or reverb + dreamy chorused-diffusion trails. Generally it's a sonic playground for time-based effects.
Thank you Moog!!!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with it Jexus!
Good enough for Jexus, good enough for me, I’m sold ❤
Also, officially from MOOG tech support. Envelope times are 10 seconds per stage, but also depends on the ENV shapes, of course. Finally and of great importance is the fact that the MIX knob in the effects section is a real mix knob meaning that at full counterclockwise it is fully analog out, and at full clockwise, all digital. This means that the Muse will not have it's dry signal in the digital domain as a Digital Dry signal. This is very import and welcome news. I will have mine on this coming Monday. I will like to report on it here.
Looking forward to a Jexus sound demo.
Thanks, I wasn‘t aware that the waveshapes can be modified. Another great feature!
The waveform mixer in the OSC section somehow reminds me of the PolyBrute. ;)
Random question: I have had my Muse for half a day and find it mostly self-explanatory. But how can the pitch bend range be adjusted? I‘m too stupid for that.
Moog did a great job on this. It does the classic Moog sounds very well, while also being able to do more complex sounds not possible on classic Moogs. And this combined with it being a 8-voice polyphonic., it's really great for for live playing too! I like this much more than the Moog One, which was too complex and didn't sound enough like a 'Moog' to me. This is the best Moog release in a long time!
What a great HUGE place! Fooseball table? OMG YES!
Great vid, this is what I was looking for, to understand the lineage of the components. Very cool, love the discrete oscillators.
Glad you liked it!
Sounds great, wonderful feature set! I predict an instant classic.
Thanks for sharing this excellent video!
Our wild guess:
It definitely gives off a lot of Prophet-6 vibes in terms of usability. Like the Prophet-6, which was designed to be a successor to the P5, this instrument seems to aim for the same goal, but perhaps even better or in a unique way. While the Moog One is a sound designer's dream, it can be a bit more complicated and overwhelming and where the Matriarch sounds incredible too, it doesn't save patches. This synth seems to have solved these problems. After working with it for a month, you'll likely feel right at home, like it fits as comfortably as your favorite jacket. We could be utterly wrong ofcourse...
Finally a proper demo! Thank You Sir Erik!
Sounds great!
Great demo. I'll be sticking with my Moog One for now, as this is still a downgrade to the One. But I can understand if someone else sells their One for the Muse. It seems to be more for players than synth patch creators. Not having polyphonic aftertouch is still wild to me. And I agree with someone else in the comments; it sounds more like a Jupiter 8 than a Moog. Which isn't bad. Unless you view it as a bad thing.
Amazing
Great and Wowsers only £3,000 too ! that`s not much more than a little Prophet/OB 6 even and there is so much more to this, they really knocked it out of the park on price here considering what you get
Awesome!
Seems very stable. Does it have a "vintage knob" to loosen the filters / envelopes?
It sounds like a plug in to me.😢
@@Claude_van don't be silly now! It's raw sound is phenomenal. But some sounds do require some more offsets per voice.
It pains me to see how close to perfection this is! Hehe. Just add a vintage knob, a few effects like distortion, rotary, reverb side chains etc and this would be my forever synth
lotta love and data went into this
Bought one today. They already sold out at Sweetwater
A ‘Performance Synth’ made
For gigging but weighs 14.5kg. I got rid of my matriarch because it was too heavy carrying with the soft case. This is for studio use or for synth players that have roadies.
Sam's intro, though 🤣
Moog should get Wendy Carlos to program presets for this synth. Like other recent Moogs, it seems to borrow architecture from the modular-- who's better at voicing modular Moog than Wendy Carlos?
That is a great idea. Mr. Carlos is brilliant!
@@philmagnotta5553Ms. Carlos, no?
@@hakonberg8003 correct, mistyped.
Sick
Exactly! There are only two questions that will be front and centre from every single person watching this video - Does it Moog, and Does it Jump
Well, for the "Jump" part, you should get the Oberheim OB-X8 instead! 😉
Thanks for the video, some very useful information. Definitely a beast of a synth !! and quite intuitive to program. Obviously a massive amount of thought went into designing this. I was hanging out for the Muse for quite a while, and got impatient and bought an OB-X8 instead. The OB-X8 is a pretty amazing synth (Very musical and easy to use, in fact the best I've ever owned, and I've owned quite a few) , but doesn't have some of the flexibility of the Muse and and doesn't have internal effects. But to be honest I use a Hydrasynth to get the glassy / metallic and digital FM like sounds and have some classy external FX units, so the Muse mostly appeals for its Mooginess. I can't really justify buying a Muse, since I already have a great analogue poly synth. So, I'll probably settle for either a Matriarch or a Subsequent 37, both of which I love and it sounds like Moog are using their modular analogue components in their latest synths like the Matriarch and Muse, so I get the Mooginess for considerably less. But then who knows ...... time will tell 😊
awesome synth! does is respond to poly aftertouch via midi?
I want to know this too ☝️
It looks the part… but the sound, not quite convinced. Hope it sells well but a hard pass for me. 😢
Moog yes we do. Behringer no we don't.
Whats up with SOS?
Not everyone can afford Moog.
@@SPAZZOID100 the ubxa and ms5 are incredible.
yet SOS say... nothing, nada. I don't understand. 🤔
Snobs on Sound
Very beautiful and sexy. I could defenitely be interested. Even for the price which is kind of high for 2024.
With 16 voices it would be a “hell yeah”.
But with only 8 voices…that just not enough for a performance synth in 2024.
@@dirt_nWaterNo and no☺️
I am plunged into the depths of inexpressible disillusionment with this synthesizer. Hence, it is with an unassailable sense of inevitability and exacting propriety that I shall, without a shadow of doubt, procure the Moog Subsequent 37. This instrument stands as a quintessential embodiment of the loftiest ideals of Moog’s venerable and illustrious heritage, and its substantial and hallowed price is indubitably justified by its unparalleled excellence and transcendental craftsmanship.
For heaven's sake, @ChatGPTTrainedOnStephenFry, give it a rest
@@AceGarpTruckingCo Du armer Irrer wenn Du glaubst jemand anderes als ich hätte dieses Werk verfasst. Du bist zu bedauern.
😂😂 Thanks.
Тысячи роликов на тему самых знатных и благородных синтезаторов! И чаще всего в памяти всплывают слова пошлость, жлобство и хитрожопость. И никому в голову не приходит нанять королей высшего пилотажа Hammer, Moraz, Wiedemann, Tibbs, Whity, чтобы поднять продажи этих игрушек в тысячи и тысячи раз.
Wow...what a boring sales guy...and sycophantic commentary. You could make this sort of content way more engaging
I thought Moog went bankrupt?? Was i dreaming/nightmare?
What a boring take on a synth in 2024.
did you watch the video. there’s definitely a handful of novel features.
Build one yourself Einstein
Thats a synth-porn site 😂 adults only!
@@TYBO-xl1xzhaha made me laugh
Sounds boring too
I skipped through this video and all I got was voices talking
After listening a handful of demos I have my first veredict: Sincerely, I expected way more from this synthesizer, its VCF lacks personality, VCOs are not fat (why Voyager VCOs?) and the Frankenstein look itself, an amalgam of different synths of diffferent eras, also not very convincing. A real polyphonic version of the Matriarch was a better idea in my opinion, albeit more expensive to come up with.
I‘m afraid I don‘t agree to any of your points. Yes, it does moog! My Muse will be arriving on Friday, 2 August. :)
@@RayyMusik Enjoy it! But it sounds like a Polyphonic Moog Voyager, not the most vintage fat sounding synths ever made by Moog. Vintage Moog is another thing sorry. The Muse is still a capable synth,with lots of features and routes, but it compares more with a Turbo Prophet 06 than anything else.
@@ness2459 I have a P6 - very different filters. As for the oscillators: you can‘t stack 18 Minimoog oscillators into a poly synth without getting a muddy sound. They didn‘t do it in the Memorymoog, albeit it was advertised as “6 Minimoogs in 1 box“, and they are right to avoid it in the Muse. There are several demos that prove it can sound very powerful and dirty nevertheless.
@@RayyMusik Filters of Muse and P06 are in the same league of "lack of personality", they sound like many of the VCFs of modern analogue synths: metallic, bright, no punch,. And a stack of 24 Minimoog VCOs with individual levels for each voice, that's not impossible to do, its simply very expensive to market.
@@RayyMusik The MemoryMoog wasn't even designed by Bob Moog, it was designed by Rich Walborn
Lots of talking.