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- The prime minister speaks to the BBC's political editor about the coronavirus outbreak.
In the interview, Boris Johnson admitted the government didn't understand coronavirus in the "first few weeks and months" of the outbreak, acknowledging there were things it "could have done differently" in its handling of the virus.
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HOW ABOUT DONT INTERRUPT EVERY 5 SECONDS!?? HELLO??
She was interrupting because he was not answering her question. Question was what mistakes were made? About the handshake was spot on!! And he moved on from that one too..
er, how about ask a decent question like: given Vietnam has had ZERO covid deaths to-date, why have we got over 65 thousand?
That's Laura Doomsberg for you.
she was interrupting to give him prompts, if he speaks he looks bad and her job is to be his propaganda
He waffles, she is trying to keep him on point. Boris is good at flattery and talking sh£t.
Why do they never actually answer the questions
Because the questions arent particularly good or constructive or worth answering.
You cant answer question without listening the problem lol
It's not a song that you can remember when you need to answer cut off part, this are actual happening in life and you dont know what's going to happen next
Because the MSM always twist the answers!
@@lynnekirk7659 ooo then you must be forget the end and the beginning 'bill gates ' hahaha
Why is it so hard to acknowledge your mistakes?
He’d be acknowledging that he enabled the disease killing 45,000 people
@@rickyblitz9679 Yeah. Exactly. Not a thing that people can just brush off lightly.
I asked you mum the same question..but apparently she grew to love you....
@@1066BooBoy Russian troll bot.
Cllli Corbyn would have been much worse
the interviewer must be in the Cathy Newman team so agressive and wouldn`t even let him answer but somehow he managed to say nothing so they both played their part brilliantly....I must say the garden view captured my attention though
Over privileged garden view.
Never heard someone waffle more then him to avoid the hard questions
Do politicians ever actually answer a question without completely changing the subject?
The changing weather is the actual pressing question of the day.
Can I just say 80 seat majority 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Yes they do
Specific questions, general answers. Classic politician gibberish.
Mm do they ever answer truthfully??
I'm sorry, but no government across the globe got this spot on in regards to handling the virus. It's a totally unprecedented event. The reporter just wants another headline as to what they did wrong oppose to what we can do In the future to protect ourselves! She is trying to attribute the deaths to the way the government handled policies around the virus. The UK has been the most transparent country relating to virus data. So far the government has done a good job.IMO.
Medical advice has become the thing that keeps changing governments action, it happens in all world governments some countries had very good medical advisor those who followed world health organisation recommendations, start off completely on the wrong foot right from the start.
BBC's, own agenda pushing just added to the confusion it should be retired, made totally commercial and only exist if anybody wants to watch it.
The way the media is a lot of people are not getting good information, it's good information that allows people will make good choices, the only way is to keep freedom of choice no Law going to stop a virus, only individual responsibly.
David Pirouet I’d recommend fullfact as a good fact checking service for engaging with critical analysis of the media.
What about New Zealand?
Yeah, she was borderline unprofessional.
It would be great if you just answered the damn questions, Boris.
I don't think he is ever going to say what he did wrong
Or what he is going to do.
Unless you were listening to a different interview he did admit mistakes were made. He also did brilliantly not to walk out on Laura Doomsberg. She just did not let him speak. Appalling journalism by the BBC as per!
She's not interviewing him, she's neither pressing him for answers effectively or listening to his answers. She's just searching for a 'gotcha' moment. HOW IS SOMEONE SO INEFFECTIVE AT THEIR JOB STILL EMPLOYED? Especially on her salary! It's awful and she's been this useless for years. Either she needs to go or the BBC is blatently broken and needs either removal or reform. For the good of the nation, SORT IT OUT
" HOW IS SOMEONE SO INEFFECTIVE AT THEIR JOB STILL EMPLOYED? " Great question just aimed at the wrong person.
@@johnriley9742 Are you saying you could have done a better job?
Gosh Ben, such a drama queen all the time
@@atomiccs6115 What kind of an argument is that? He's a bumbling embarrassment to my country and I'm not trained for the job like he allegedly is supposed to be. This man and his sycophant cabinet have been laid bare by the virus as utterly useless at what they do. The facts speak for themselves and there's nothing that Raab, Patel, Hancock, Gove etc etc can do to stop everybody seeing it.
@Ben Mackay seems that you are unhappy with your life. Do something. Change something.
She is possibly the worst interviewer in the world. I always love it when she doesn't allow for PM to finish his thought. Because interrupting someone mid sentence is so professional.
There are strong contenders for the title. Andrew Marr makes a point of interrupting, so I think he's a strong rival.
She's good. She's getting to the crux of the matter. Tens of thousands dead due to his incompetence.
Yeah I agree worst ever
She should stop interrupting the PM let the man finish and then retort.
@@public.public Says her husband....
He keeps mentioning "levelling up". Does he think we're all Dungeons & Dragons characters, or something?
I've seen his stat block, -5 in everything except Con.
Masonic cartel signalling.
Yep he is a - 8 int wizard with +6 shit talking special ability
He's obviously a fan of Ciara's level up! 😆
No. He thinks we are all in a monopoly board game.
He takes responsibility for putting DNR on people's loved ones. Including my dad. What should be done with someone who admits ok'ing medical negligence. 45000 plus people we can't get back. How many people was denied a ventilator like my dad was. I got some if his medical records. They just give up on him. Unlike Boris who no doubt had a ventilator standing by and one as back up for that. Bath Royal hospital have basically murdered my dad by medical negligence. Which this none stop talking narcissist
To Boris Johnson the death of your dad and the many thousands more is nothing but an inconvenience to him. His arrogance won't allow him to feel anything akin to guilt.
They wilfully killed the elderly and infirm
@Jjeremo Bobslay thank you. It truly means a lot. As I have had many other get very abusive 😕
How did he think it is trransmited radio?
He's a liar. Why bother listening? He doesn't listen to anyone else.
Those two are better actors than I took them for. They've played their parts well.
Evidence?
Another tinfoil hatter , away and take a walk off your flat earth .
@@througheverything suck knob u fool
Javaid Sadiq Cheers I just asked for evidence
Piers Morgan would have him on his toes during a interview
Yeh it's all scripted unfortunately.
Yes I wish this was Piers Morgan interviewing we might get to the real truth
We had time to save many lives but he dithered and kept the borders open to infect the country on a monumental scale
Exactly!!! If he had put us on lockdown earlier we wouldn't be drowning in COVID-19 right now!!! 🤬😠😤😡
@Ukboxing 100 I'm sorry but have you watched the news at all in the last four months?
@Ukboxing 100 You actually need to look at the figures. My dad works at the hospital in the IT department and he tells me the hospitals are at full capacity. And the possible reason the amount of deaths haven't changed is because these are not natural deaths, these have been caused by a virus.
@@beanie9040 no heart attacks? No cancer deaths? No road traffic accidents? No althzeimer deaths? No strokes? No deaths at home? No flu deaths? No pneumonia deaths? No suicides?
ALL Covid deaths? Really?
The government let the virus spread in care homes that's why the deaths figures are so bad. They implemented the care home protection ring too late .Plus my sister works in a south London hospital, they haven't got a covid case since April.
Very weak journalism. Incredibly weak as a journalist... It is a very nice garden on the background though.
She is a Tory. She can't go against her instincts to protect this shambolic Prime Minister and government.
@@Saintinthecity-wh9nl or she needs to be invited back
Can't she just let him talk 1st.
Steven, I agree with you, if she does not let him talk, why even ask him a question? Some reporters I think they forgot what their main job is. Ask and listen to your invited guest. Some reporters, don't be disrespectful.
Because she knows he Waffles.
He tried to explain what had happened and what we should get prepared for the next phase. I love England and I wish all of the people there safety from the virus and prosperity!
Oh dear
A Tory interviewing a Tory PM, well I guess we know the BBC isn't bias
mali 45671 she’s even wearing Conservative blue shoes
@@wgeorge6048 haha yeah 😂
Damn borris be dodging these questions harder than I dodge my ex 😂
Just like in the matrix dodging the bullets
Theres a thing called researcher bias. If you design your question to get a certain answer then dont be surprised when people dont want to give you an answer that they disagree with.
If you want your question answered, then make sure you ask open questions that the person being questioned can answer.
This is why he mentioned that she is approaching this as if its an enquiry and she said shes trying to get him to acknowledge her point.
@@RyanMcGillMiddletonit's a joke, this is TH-cam not the dedicated society of world renowned puffs leave your smart comments for people that actual care and people that clearly have no sense of humour.
@@RyanMcGillMiddleton Johnson KNOWS he is responsible for tens of thousands of unecessary deaths yet he still tries to deflect responsibility onto so called experts. The interview makes that very clear. Good interview. Good interviewer.
Boris has done a great job! This interviewer is just so rude, doesn’t even listen to the responses from the PM, and just talks over him
"Boris doing a great job" Have you been living on the moon.
the similarities to Trump and the way some people blindly worship him are really quite worrying.
Why isn't she interviewing him instead of just trying to make him admit he got it wrong, reading from a soulless script shows her lack of skill. He's just swatting her away and she's pig ignorant, instead of listening she's attacking him.
I think she does well a reads the fraudster perfectly.
The sooner Johnson is charged with corporate manslaughter the better for everyone's health let alone the national economy and UK sovereignty.
This is a lapdog of Mr. Sam living in his West.
I had to stop watching after about 2 questions. It’s too depressing both the standard of the questions and the standard of the answers
Please interrupt the person you’re interviewing more so they can’t speak. Please scold them more. It’s important that you win award for hardball journalism.
“Prime minister its been quite the yeARRRR”
She sounds like a bad pirate!
Ooo-aaarr!
Watch dr. Vernon Coleman on TH-cam expose this plandemic
Mark Mason , no
Mark Mason exactly, people really need to switch off from the shite on the bbc and listen to independent people and do their own independent research, using their own critical thinking. Propaganda isn’t sold through cheap, poorly presented mediums. It’s well polished and expensively presented. People need to start seeing though it, whether it’s bbc, sky news, channel 4 or whoever else.
WhoIs DrJohnMack? The pandemic is real though
We should have enforced masks , closed borders , a properly enforced quarantine and had a proper strict lockdown from Feb then we wouldn’t have been in this mess. 5 months later we get told to wear masks in shops . It’s pathetic and lots of people know we have no reason to follow rules as there are no consequences ! Pathetic !!! The people of the UK do what they want.
Exactly
Nettle wtf
@martin webb - Sadly, the vast majority won't even realise that they're under totalitarianism when it comes. I suspect they might even like it 😟
Captain Hindsight
so ministers get different advice to the rest of the public? Ok boz
Yea I actually said ‘cmon to fuck you moron’ 😒😒😒
Aiden Slater no they don’t. He just got caught out in a lie, and he did what he does best... *lie again!*
Yes, the prole news is over simplified. The government has the SAGE group to get advice from, which includes folks like Chris Witty
Init man
That moment when you realize that no matter which country: Ask a politician a concrete question - do not get a concrete answer. Why is that? 🤔
Stop this corona acting ...
The finest display of arm waving gibberish you will ever see-mixed in a world class brass neck an unbeatable combination -😂😂😂
Did you take the words right out of my mouth 😂... Mmmm
Is she ever gonna let him answer her question in full without cutting him off? What is the point in asking a question if you don’t listen to the answer?
If you listen to what he’s doing is trying to change the subject “what I think people really want to know is....” of course she’s not gonna let him speak he’s trying to go back to scripted answers of a different question.
this interviewer is an absolute shambles.
I me I don't like this modern style of interviewing, she comes over as being very rude. If I was talked to like this in my workplace I'd have a case for bullying.
I'm American; Trump would have stormed off on the 1st repeat question & told her she was a Nasty woman! Smh!
How about his constant interruption?! Someone has to stand up to the dominant buffoon who won’t admit his terrible and arrogant mistakes, which have caused so much death!
No actually I think she is the one who is trying to talk above his stupid babbling, and also because she knows that he's not answering the questions correctly and truthfully.
Not at all. He's just not answering the questions and goes waffling off on a more favorable tangent
"What have you got wrong?"
*"Everything."*
Why does the reporter keep insisting the inefficiency of the govt. Try to look at tge inefficiency of our governments in other countries? I think Britain is handling it better than us.
Only dislike for Boris Jonson
I’m so tired of these type of reporters. They want bombastic interviews. They don’t want to paint an accurate picture they want scandal.
Look I want to hear about his strategies I literally don’t care about what he “should’ve done” we should focus on that when it’s over, now is the time to find and understand what the prime ministers plan is for now and the future not what he would do in hindsight.
Listen to what he said "the next phase"...a little clue.
Oh look, it's the BBC pretending to be unbiased again.
He is like a schoolboy sitting in the office with the
rector
Appearances are so important!
He does everything but answer the question
She does everything but let him answer
i LOVE HIS BLOND HAIR AND HIS VOICE AND ACCENT.
If the world did not make more discoveries and more deposits in the field of health, it would be possible to eradicate living organisms from the world in an instant.Every country in the world, whether or not their people receive medical care.The health sector needs to be built to deal with such diseases.All nations should inquire whether there is adequate treatment for everyone in the world.The world must never be locked up like this.Therefore, all countries must unite in the field of health
His voice to screaming in toilet - Busy.
Boris is proof a good school can not polish a turd....
Out of his depth from beginning to end.
She is hands down the absolute worst interviewer bar none
She should have nailed him to the fence, but BBC news is both too right wing and too frit to take on the government now.
He is attempting to misdirect her throughout this interview, without owning his mistakes. She is being perfectly reasonable in her interviewing style when confronted with this obvious obfuscation. The fool wants to tall about the future because his past is riddled with incompetence.
@@justblairthompson too right wing? Lol, normally the criticism is they are far too LEFT wing! Maybe they are getting it about right (apart from she is a horrendous interviewer in this interview anyway)
@@justblairthompson The BBC is right-wing? Come off it, you loon.
@@noavocadoanymore the BBC in general... No of course not. BBC news and current affairs?
Sorry got cut off. Infected patients were moved from hospitals to care homes, your testing was erratic , your lock down was too late & the virus got away, I would say just these items & there are many more leave very little for all the pride you keep preening about. It is an absolute disgrace!
He just bumbled and obfuscated from beginning to end. An object lesson in how to avoid answering a question
"I think what the British Public wants" is always a great way of answering the question you wish they'd asked.
Prime minister you was asleep on the job at the start of the Covid emergency, and your brush with death woke you up.
Please prime minister can you stop the Russian cyber attacks please as you have also been asleep on the job there too.
Look up at www.itpro.co.uk/cyber-attacks/33200/what-is-island-hopping
its funny since the russian report came out RT has been stepping up pro government and anti labour rhetoric we have russian state tv that puts out propaganda in its own country never mind our own
Yes. Every prime minister / president was late, non of them knew how big is the threat. Boris was pretty late, Spanish government should be in jail, Italians were badly surprised, Trump took some measures on time, New York governor made some idiotic mistakes and should be sued for putting Covid patients in nursing homes... So far nobody knows if the Swedes were right...
Imagine Boris having a big impact on bringing the euros home for the first time by making fan support possible.
Boris answered these specific answers with a vague, general response in the hopes that most people who agree with him would shrug it off, and those who disagree would be left scratching their heads. It's not just him, it's every politician that does this and it's simply an insult to the people.
The way of interviewing presidents and prime ministers have changed these days. It's more of an argument and debate with anybody.
An obesity strategy well that make sense to open pubs before gyms great strategy that is lol
Remember. The country wanted this. Lol!
@@madrockon7357 When Scotland and N.Ireland decide to team up and get away from Johnson's incompetent misfits and get with the real best deal which is WITH the EU... I'll be saying England's brexiters WANTED the destruction of UK sovereignty.
at the end she thanks him. for what? he never let her get a word in, just spoke over her, like she was a podium
its her job to get him to answer questions,why would anyone think he would let her get a word in ffs?Its a tory political broadcast
Same old Boris, never a direct answer to a direct question.
Same old politician.
Journalist was terrible!! She allowed him to not answer questions and just filibuster!
shes no choice bbc is owned by government ,any journalist working for bbc can not tell truth not allowed please remember this fact
True, can't stand Laura Doomsberg!
Even the World Health Organization has very serious questions to answer.
Totally agree jeff well said
What is wrong with interviewers let him finish then answer it they dont have any manners
Harrison Hepburn - if you let a politician finish your would only get to ask the first question in a 10 minute interview and you still wouldn’t get the answer to the question, he would walk away laughing, thinking “l got away with that “. No, you have to interrupt whenever they waffle, otherwise, as you have seen you don’t get anywhere.
Did you watch the whole interview? At the end she just lets him spout out a continuous stream of his preprepared rhetoric without challenging him once.
@@carpog I think she just gave up bc he doesn't plan to answer her questions. There are also other agenda for the interview, not just one question.
He doesn't even answer the question directly, he's just wasting the minutes by babbling until the interview is over.
She was just trying to force him to admit what everyone (apart from you, or so it would seem) wants to know... like why on earth didn’t he take it seriously when the rest of the world was?! causing thousands and thousands of deaths!!!
I would have been MUCH ruder than she was!!! 😡
I would
He just kept saying that he would prepare for the future, but he always escaped the mistakes he made before. Even the amount of preparation can never make up for thousands of families who have lost their loved ones.
Who is No. 10 thought this interview would be a good idea? LOL
I dont think this is about political positioning, its just necessary to meet with the press when major events have occurred.
@@RyanMcGillMiddleton and be interviewed by asses?
It was clear to me and many others so that's a lie in the first 30 seconds.
omg stop interrupting him, let him finish!
i PRAYED FOR YOUR RECOVERY, BORIS, AND THANK GOD YOU ARE ALLRIGHT.. lOVE FROM aMERICA
BBC will always protect Doris, let Piers Morgan at him, it would be a different outcome 😂😅🤣
Lol that's why his government gave boycotted GMB
Im not his fan but yes... On this occasion...let piers morgan at him.
I'd have him over her, any day. She's not interviewing, she's judging. That right is not hers.
She represents the public view. These are questions we are all thinking, or at least, a huge number of us.
lucidity sorry have to disagree....she does not represent all of the public’s view...depends which side of the fence you sit...her bias is questionable
@@maureenthomas1262 I should have been more clear but you're right, she doesn't represent 'the' public's view as there is more than one. She represents, as your say, those who believe that BJ has not handled the pandemic well. Those who are on the other side of the argument, well, those daily briefings that the gov used to do cover that side reasonably well, their argument of doing the right thing at the right time, and being guided by the science. If we were all happy with that, then there would be no need for this interview. But clearly, there are different opinions on this and there is also science to back up plenty from the flip side's perspective.
IMF - Harvard law school's vintage loudspeaker systems sfmkm.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_55.html
It is a job of a journalist to ask the critical questions, especially in a situation like this. No one needs toadyism in an interview. Those interviews are just useless and should be reserved for the royals, if at all used for anything.
I'm a little confused. I know I'm a US citizen and my country has it's own shit to deal with, but if the British people hate the Conservative Party so much, why do they keep getting voted into parliament?
8:07 ok Boris, I’ll give you that one. That is most definitely a question you can dodge.
Please let him finished the sentence first before you keep asking lol 😂I can’t catch what he said.
I bet none of the mps share there coke with her lol
She’s a Tory, bet they bloody do 😂 notice how she always used to go first in the briefings?
First of all. My condolences to those families who lost loved ones to this virus. Second of all, this interviewer is rude! :-(
Let's all bump elbows when we meet and cough and sneeze into our sleeves when no one is looking
What's your point? That because some people are irresponsible hypocrites we shouldn't bother with promoting healthy measures?
Better than coughing in somebody's face . The elbows thing is daft. Just say hello instead.
He did not answer a single question.
He can't answer without incriminating himself.
You ignored your own regulation
No
But it says here you did
No I didn’t
But you did
No
Ok!👍
Kizza If that was the case, surely Johnson would explain it in the exact way you did. Instead he’s just like: « ummm no ». Sounds like fake news to me
Love the shoes imogen
The hostess just keep interrupting the PM.. I just don't like this kind of behaviour.
Absolute sham interview. Isn't Kronyberg the Tory Party comms advisor?
He will probly get a knighthood for thinning out the carehomes, hospices and elderly hospital patients.....
Another knighthood from Libyan rebels for Conservative party helping to topple Gaddafi and the Saudis for ‘for his excellence in arms exports’ to destroy the centre of the human crises.
4 yo Jemima says thank you from
Yemen to Conservative party sending a £4.4 million aerial aid via Saudi military in a British made metal tube from the sky which says BAE system.
Sadly, no longer with us.
I know it's been said in chat hundreds of times but GODDAM JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION BORIS.
We need the government....that's me! Hahaha this dude
Just get someone who knows what a question is and can admit when something was shit... ffs
I would feel a lot more confident if he admitted they made mistakes so we have a little bit of confidence that it won't be as bad next time. It is very frustrating watching this as he is just reeling off some pre- prepared material and refuses to answer a question. Please Boris, just admit mistakes were made, confirm we have learned from them and have a clear strategy in case of another nationwide outbreak. Transparency is key so the nation has confidence in the government to deal with a second wave. If we had shut down the country a week earlier we as a nation would have saved many lives but also 10's leading up to low 100's of Billions in taxpayer money.
We made mistakes and it was unprecedented, we can accept that, we as voters can accept the past mistakes but if our Prime Minister can't then maybe as voters we should not forget the mistakes made and hold the government accountable for the many lives lost and the economic cost.
Its just pre conditioning for the forced vaccination where they chip us all.
@@kizza9321 Really? Can you list the mistakes he acknowledged.
@@kizza9321 Why not? What he did is refuse to answer the questions asked. If I or my team make a significant mistake then I would be expected to provide fairly in depth report on why. Why should we not ask our Prime Minister to do the same?
I don't think we should necessarily hold Boris or the cabinet to account for what happened. I just want them to admit the failing so the public has confidence in them. How did you think that interview went?
@@kizza9321 He admitted they made mistakes but it would be nice if he could explain what they were and what they have learned from that.
@@kizza9321 "45000 people died and what were the clear mistakes?"
I hope media in India should have guts to ask same thing to the government
Is this a Peter O' Hanrahanrahan interview?
ANSWER THE DAME QUESTIONS 🤔🤔
She's not a Dame, just a standard journalist. Oh sorry, "damn"....
8:50 This guy knows whats up!
I would have loved it if the reporter had opened with, "Sir, are you afraid to let me properly set up a question, and are you afraid to answer it? Not a different question, and not by giving an avoidant off-topic filibustering speech, but by actually answering it?"
With the acknowledgment that this has been an unparalleled challenge for any world leader, I can’t respect a man who can’t put his hands up and say “sorry chaps, I fucked it up”. “Oh that’s not fair” he’d say, well explain how Vietnam, a country which borders China has had just 417 cases and 0 deaths? Three words, government led response
Britain is always slow to react. That diet, is coming from America. No Sugar, No Carbs! And don't forget you're Vitamins.
_i'm_ more than Vitamins
Bollocks! I know from the 1950s to date, here in England we have always had ‘experts’ telling us to eat healthily.
Boris like his hero Winston don't lose weight...it's called living high on the hog. Look at Churchill fat when the war started, fatter when it finished. No rations for him, LOL
Have a dislike
this is ultra instinct levels of dodging
How is Laura Kuenssberg still the BBC's political editor?
she asks the _right_ questions - same as why Andrew Neil is back out in the wilderness
@Arnie2-D2 Yes, I wasn't clear. I meant 'right' from No.10's perspective. Just as Neil is 'wrong' which is why they refuse to let him interview Boris.
asymptomatic spread was in the academic journals in early February - so saying "no one knew about it" is either incompetence or lies. Maybe both
I think this is as dodgey as hell and lies , he's talking about They didn't know about asymptomatics, it's like what's changed now we're out of lock down all shops and pubs are open , friends and family are now going round eachothers houses etc etc, so according to boris and "the science" concerning asymptomatic spread it should currently be spreading like wildfire but it's not .
And they can't say because it's now summer and it's hot, India, texas florida and Brazil have all got it bad right now and it's scorching hot currently in all them places .
Just a little tip for everyone the flu and covid 19 is a lot less in summer due to our vitamin d levels so stock up vit d for winter
Care workers are being tested every week! Eh, no! Blah blah blah! Get him out!
Give him a chance to answer your questions.
What we don't want to hear is the political point scoring
Absolute horrendous prime minister who is removing this proud country's heard won freedoms
Lol! The NHS is next. This week the Conservative party removed the bill that protected the NHS from being sold to the US. Bye, bye NHS! "Take back control!"
the interviewer: "what happend 45000 pepole died?"
Boris:"we mourn every one of those who lost their lives"
LOL
He is a baffoon!
His knees social distancing from each other 2m apart.
Johnson KNOWS he is responsible for tens of thousands of unecessary deaths yet he still tries to deflect responsibility onto so called experts.
The interview makes that very clear. Good interview. Good interviewer.