This video won't cause any contention in the comments, LOL. In New Hampshire (USA), there is a town named Derry AND a separate town named Londonderry. They are right next to each other. :-)
To rename the huge mouthful Dniepropyetrovsk to Dnipro, Ukrainians used decommunization laws, as Petrovski, whose name was removed, was one of organiser's of Holodomor, a genocide. Do you know by chance, maybe Jack London kept some skeletons in the closet... Irish skeletons, so you edict a law removing his last name from cities? It's the only option.
You missed the gem in this mess: The Apprentice Boys of Derry, a major protestant organisation in the town, insists on 'Londonderry' in all other uses but its own name.
Derry, just call it Derry, the whole argument is dumb you can’t just take a foreign city and make it english by adding a “London” or a “shire” to the start or the end of the name of a city.EDIT for those saying that there is no example of the UK changing an existing place name by adding shire onto the end of it. Xhosashire is an example in South Africa
If most people from there decided on a name it shouldn't matter what other people think. (I don't know how people from there want to be called) Changing city names is rather common and mostly just affect the people from there anyways. If people from outside wanna call it differently thats also fine as that mostly just affect the people around there.
There is no city from what I know that is called something-shire Shire is a suffix added to a city name to create a name for a county (e.g, York and Yorkshire)
A friend of mine who is from Derry/Londonderry just says he "lives on the Foyle" when he doesn't want to get into the conversation about the name. I'm not sure how widespread that is as a phrase though.
I often think that the use of the name of this city shows that the Unionist's have a valid fear . The UK State broadcaster bends over backwards to appease both sides ( If your nerdy are enough to want to know , the rule is if you say Derry first you must say Londonderry twice in the report and vice a verso- means you have to make uneven number of name checks ) The Irish State Broadcaster simply never say's Londonderry , It is a marker of the respect and understanding Unionist's would have if the 26 annex the 6
Sort of missed the point , I realise it is Derry to you , the BBC realise that as well so try not to marginalise you by refusing to use the Name . But rte know as I ( and in trurth you do) that to many people in the North it is Londonderry but will not respect that in the way you are respected , so obviously this is a clue to the Unionists that should fear a takeover
@@solid7468 Glad you accept that Imperialism is over so the Status of the 6 counties is safe from a claim from any other State unless all it's people agree . The Official Name of the City in question remains Londonderry , that is a fact and is not connected with religion . You are a sectarian bigot , and if you really wanted a United Ireland you would reach out to the what you say is 25% of the city ( it is even after Provo ethnic cleansing slightly higher ) Rather than dictating that Numbers Trump logic and Law , that is hardly likely to convince a Protestant they would be safe as a minority in a UI
In my City in Canada there’s a part of town and a mall call “Londonderry”, I try to call it Derry when I can and educate people but they can’t understand the troubles. That’s a good thing! I’m so happy and blessed that my parents left Belfast so I could be born in a country that is free! I still have lots of family in Ireland that I visit though, so I pray that Brexit will not stir up old wounds. I hope we can all move forward ❤️
Don't think your parents explained Irish history to you very well , Canada moved towards Self Government in stages by consent and as one Nation , even with the minority in Quebec. The same was always on offer to Ireland but Irish people in a minority feared what other Irish People would do to them so refused the offer and went for separation
In NH, there’s a town called Derry, directly next to a town called Londonderry. I’ve always wondered where it came from, growing up near it. So thank you!
Fact (maybe even a fun one): When you drive on the Interstate 93 in New Hampshire USA you will see signs for Derry and for Londonderry (Derry being on the eastern side of the highway and Londonderry being on the western side).
My nana is a protestant ulsterwoman from Ballymena Co. Antrim - her family always called it Derry. I'm a protestant and unionist raised atheist and republican nationalist from the west of Scotland and I've always called it Derry. No one, regardless of their political or religious view on the matter, has ever corrected me :P
This is coincidental. A man who is currently living in my town, from Derry came to give a speech about how life was growing up in derry and trying to move to Shannon (a new town in Ireland, far south from derry.) during the troubles. Amazing video.
I actually live in a town in the US named Derry, and the next town over is called Londonderry. Here in New Hampshire, most towns are named after places in the British Isles.
In New Hampshire, we have a town called Derry and a town called Londonderry. It always confused me where the name for Londonderry came from, but now I know Derry is “officially” Londonderry.
@@peepiepo Well, direct English translations from Gaelige aren't exactly direct because they hold no meaning to the original name, but you get the jist.
Great stuff. Love what you do. As an American with half English heritage I’ve literally been trying to brush up on these various issues about the times of the “Troubles” and some of my source material has been TH-cam or another is a great book I have called the Penguin illustrated history of England and Ireland (so-called British Isles). Of course we like how American ex-Senator George Mitchell went over there in 1998 to try to broker an agreement. Anyway I love your Name Explain stuff!
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the walled city being a new settlement across the river from the older Derry settlement, which was called Londonderry, and expanded out into the original Derry.
More accurate still: Derry - everyone from Derry (including Protestant Unionists), Nationalists, the rest of Ireland, the rest of the world Londonderry - Unionists who aren't from Derry
I heard there was a new Pokemon game by those names being made, but I didn't know what they were based on. Can't say I expected to be informed by the Super Awesome Kim Jong-Un.
Londonderry is named Londonderry because the businesses of London put all there money into it to build it up to make it a vibrant city which it is to day and so named after those s business men in respect of the great gift to Derry city
Funny enough they probably do as most nationalists support the palestinian cause and as a result the unionists tend to support the israeli, so you'll most likely find them using Derry and Londonderry respectfully
Kasumi Ryona the PIRA don’t support Hamas, they support the PLO, which is now seen as the legitimate representative. Hamas are Islamic fundamentalists, just like Israel are Jewish fundamentalists. The PLO, like the PIRA are secular, anti-imperialist organisations with a socialist ideology.
@Kasumi Ryona Why would it surprise you that one native population with a history of being driven off their land and persecuted because of their ethnicity sympathises with another being subjected to the same thing?
Some small pronunciation corrections. The Irish name for "Derry" is "Doire" usually pronouced as "Dih-Ra" or "Dyih-Ra" (varies slightly from accent to accent) "Calgach" would be pronounced as "Kal-Gak" as Ch in Irish makes a K sound
@@socbocs I'm actually fluent in Irish, though with a Munster accent. The pronunciation of Doire likely differs from place to place but Calgach 100% ends with a K sound. Ch makes a K sounds while S is the only way an Sh sound can be made.
@@socbocs While at the start of a word it would sound like more a throaty K, at the end, it is definitely a K. As in Loch, Teach and Ach. I will say that Munster accents are a bit more anglecised than Connaught or Ulster, but there is definitely no accent where a Ch is pronounced as Sh
i live in county derry city londonderry i am a catholic i only say londonderry for the city because i find myself saying the county more and i want a difference between them
Clearly, the solution is to rename it Dublinlondonderry. That way, republicans are annoyed by the London, unionists by the Dublin, and the rest by how much of an arse it is to say :D
Chemniz was renamed to Kalrmarxstadt by commies, and Saigon IS still called Ho Chi Minh, so yeah, also every city had a "Lenin street". Did it make any them more russian? Nope.
British colonial naming is rather stupid. It's meant to be a reference to the "superior" home country and changing the name of a local city is a key way to enforce that. It's why the name was, and still is, such a contentious issue: it epitomises the Unionist attitude towards the native nationalists. It's especially odd as basically all the locals call it Derry cause Londonderry is a mouthful
I like how you said Ireland instead of Northern Ireland... As someone who was raised in NI, but having parents raised elsewhere, I never really got into the politics and history of the country. Now I end up calling it Derry because it's shorter... Another layer on top of this is that there is a county called Derry(Londonderry), where the city is in. When working on my A-Level computing project, I wanted to add a combobox for the counties of NI, so I asked a friend if I should call it county Derry or Londonderry. He told me that the county was called Derry and the city, Londonderry. I can't tell how accepted that idea is, though.
I generally prefer to call things by their original name, as opposed to the name given them by non-natives. For instance, Zion National Park in Utah ought to be called Mukuntuweap National Park. Derry is a fine name just as it is.
Well then, I'm sure each people group has a name for their specific region. Instead of generalizing it as "Africa" I might use those names instead. Like instead of calling people "Native Americans" a person could use the specific tribe name instead.
@Demonde Laplace I'm not saying we shouldn't call it Africa. I'm just saying that we *could* be more precise if we wanted to be. For instance, instead of saying "That guy's from Africa.", We could say, "That guy's a San tribesman from the Kalahari."
Hey NameExplain, I was wondering if you can cover the difference between the name of a language vs the people who live there? If one comes before another?
The reason Irish people never use the word surrender, is because, only an army/nation/state/country can surrender. The Irish are a people that are born to an island. Only the colony can surrender. The British colony in Ireland. And thats why it can be the only outcome in the long run, unless \britain for some reason does indeed wish to keep war ongoing in Ireland for political and aesthetic reason
I used to work in an Irish airline and the airport charts for the airport were a big bone on contention. Some would file them under *L* for Londonderry and others under *D* for Derry. It was pathetic really.
The funny thing is Britian is the island on which England, Scotland and Wales are. So It's impossibly for people from nortern Ireland to be anything other than Nortern irish, Ukish or Irish.
A similar situation in Australia is the town of Oenpelli/Gunbalanya in the NT. Road signs refer to it as Oenpelli (Gunbalanya) and historically white Australians referred to it as Oenpelli and indigenous Australians use Gunbalanya. I'm not sure on the history of the two names but it's interesting nevertheless. Most other occurences like this in Australia are things (eg Uluru/Ayers Rock) rather than towns.
You get some weird ones on the continent too Köln in Germany is known as Cologne in English though that is most likely dating back to when the House of Hanover had the thrones of both Hanover and England in Personal Union which promptly ended with Victoria as female succession was allowed under English law but not in Hanover later got annexed by Prussia anyway so...
Bets are on where the orange lodge is located. ....opposite the court house and in-between the fire station and the police station ....ahem just clearing my throat ;)
Calling Derry 'Londonderry' would be like India deciding to aggressively colonise England by force, put some infrastructure up in Manchester, and then rename the place Mumbaimanchester. That would be daft right? Well no, not if you're a unionist who doesn't think tacking the capital city of the UK onto the front of another city is stupid and pointless.
I used a similar analogy but used Spain instead of India in reply to a different comment and the reply I got was, it’s different because Spain is foreign to England, what kind of mental gymnastics is that?
@@ollie_hellhunter3356 "Spain is foreign to England." I want whoever that was to take a step back, and think about the Ireland situation a bit harder...
Derry was the main trading route for the provinces and from London. It was called little London by london and became locally (by the provinces) known as Londonderry that is the real version. Bout ye lads, Derry wans will know 😉
My grandfather fought on the western front in ww1 in hopes of getting independence from the British and when they refused after he got home he helped the IRA in the war for independence and would hate us to wear a poppy
Fun story, my great great uncle fought against the British in the original IRA. Now half of his descendants live in southern England like me and his kids moved to vancouver. Kinda ironic 😅
@@lorcan5989 he fought against the British so he and his family could live in a free Ireland but now half of us live in the place he fought against for freedom
@Anglo-Celtic Mega Nationalist Yeah there's a fucking surprise. You're not even Irish and you're trying to give your opinion. Gaelic is a nearly dead language because the English were the most racist people on the planet and now it's in the process of revival. One day all of Ireland will speak Gaeilge, and by the time that happens, most of England will speak Bengali or Somali.
Anglo-Celtic Mega Nationalist I thought you were being ironic omg lololol how tf do you think there’ll only be one language??? That’s not how things work??? And natural selection? There are multiple species so by your analogy there can be multiple languages. And Gaelic isn’t a language it’s a group of languages. Keep it imperialism to yourself. 100 years ago French was in the place English is today- in 100 years for all we know Catalan or Swahili could be the fucking ““world language””
Hi guys, could help me with that I can't get the word he says "outside of Woolworths of all places to ............... a month before I was born" (around 2:40 -45)
Those 14 in Derry are the last ones you’ll bury!! Also, it’s not pronounced “Northern Ireland” it’s called Ulster, a province of the legitimate Ireland.
By law, the British postal service will deliver any otherwise properly-addressed letter or package to the town in question labelled either "Derry" or "Londonderry".
To his defense, unlike other times where his mispronouciations are ridiculous, almost nobody outside of Ireland can read their consonant salad correctly.
@@KasumiRINA Consonant salad? You mean vowel salad. Taoiseach is spelled with 5 vowels (4 unique), but pronounced with two. Well, I say that, but consonants isn't a simple matter either..
I remember listening to Radio one when I was younger and they had a festival there or something, anyway they called it Derry Londonderryand I thought that was its actual name, derrylondonderry
Sorry but it's Doire not daire. Thank you for making this video. As a young person from Derry, I really love the education of the wider world that we are an area of historical interest and it's a really good video. Thank you
@bbonner422 Northern Ireland doesn't have a Parliment but it does have a General Assembly, just like Scotland and Wales. Funnily enough, England actually doesn't have it own devolved Parliment or assembly
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Do you call it Derry or Londonderry?
Derry of course
Derry, as it should be called.
What is 'it'?
Derry
Derry
I call it Derry. However I refer to the capital of England by its proper name, Derrylondon
Cillian Brouder if you cant beat em ,join em
The Derry is silent. Also London’s is DerryLondon, but The City of London INSIDE ‘london’ is still London, where we get London
@Dominic Jones
I like to call the London inside of Derrylondon
“Londonderrylondon”
Cillian Brouder wtf are you On about lmao
It’s Derry acc. First 6 letters of LondonDerry are silent.
Londonderry is the only name in the English language with 6 silent letters in a row.
Brilliant!
😂
6 letters.
Lond?
@@rocketpoolpki no,london
No matter what it is called, I can't have Derry, I am lactose intolerant
Why isn’t this comment blowing up yet?
Neurotic Games I can’t tiptoe because of the same reason, I lactose
@@nsierra2297 I knew a guy just like that. His boss fired him because he was lactose intolerant
Don't worry your not the only intolerant person on these posts
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This video won't cause any contention in the comments, LOL.
In New Hampshire (USA), there is a town named Derry AND a separate town named Londonderry. They are right next to each other. :-)
Yup, and I'm from one of them.
@@BananaBrainsZEF So am I. 😜
@@NiamhCreates Derry > Londonderry. We have Robert Frost.
@@BananaBrainsZEF Yep, that's right! 😋
@@NiamhCreates I'm quite near those two as well. :3
Nice to see another New Hampshirite around!
The only city with six silent letters at the start
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Breed to your heart's content, dear Republicans!
Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There's always laughter and good red wine.
At least I've always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!
Alexander the Greater UVF.
GO AWAY POTATO LOVERS!!!
@@bobschmill8528 fuck off tea lickers
I think derry sounds better, its less of a mouthful
True asf
Yes.
I’m Irish so I’m biased but that too
To rename the huge mouthful Dniepropyetrovsk to Dnipro, Ukrainians used decommunization laws, as Petrovski, whose name was removed, was one of organiser's of Holodomor, a genocide. Do you know by chance, maybe Jack London kept some skeletons in the closet... Irish skeletons, so you edict a law removing his last name from cities? It's the only option.
*Londonderry* sounds powerful.
You missed the gem in this mess: The Apprentice Boys of Derry, a major protestant organisation in the town, insists on 'Londonderry' in all other uses but its own name.
That's hilarious wtf
That says it all.
London should be renamed to Derrylondon.
seneca983 should be called Pakistan number 2
Perfectly balanced
DEV1L REAPER MC nah that’s Birmingham
no its london and derry is derry
Clorox bleach
That's the joke it's like payback because 'London derry'
Sound alike London has derry in control
Derry, just call it Derry, the whole argument is dumb you can’t just take a foreign city and make it english by adding a “London” or a “shire” to the start or the end of the name of a city.EDIT for those saying that there is no example of the UK changing an existing place name by adding shire onto the end of it. Xhosashire is an example in South Africa
If most people from there decided on a name it shouldn't matter what other people think. (I don't know how people from there want to be called) Changing city names is rather common and mostly just affect the people from there anyways. If people from outside wanna call it differently thats also fine as that mostly just affect the people around there.
There is no city from what I know that is called something-shire
Shire is a suffix added to a city name to create a name for a county (e.g, York and Yorkshire)
Mr.Spøon xhosashire, South Africa
Gatwick's Best Drone Pilot it wasn’t a foreign city at the time of its name change
@Gatwick's Best Drone Pilot That's such a black and white view.
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Unfinished London : Why does London extend to Northern Ireland?
@@danobrien4890 you don't get ðe joke do you
@@danobrien4890 Unfinished London is a Jay Foreman series we are talking about (London) Derry it was a joke as his series is about an expanding city
A friend of mine who is from Derry/Londonderry just says he "lives on the Foyle" when he doesn't want to get into the conversation about the name. I'm not sure how widespread that is as a phrase though.
I've also heard it called Stroke City as in Derry/Londonderry.
I have always just said 'Derry', but I have noticed less of a reaction to it over the years. You have fallen for our wiles!
I would say Londonderry or Derry Londonderry
@@MrBrendanus Republican population is rising-it has far bigger population growth.
@@haroldinho9930What the fuck does that have to do about anything? I am a Derry Catholic, please teach me my ways...
The city is called Derry and the county is called Derry. End of
Its fucking LONDONDERRY u fenion count
Georgina Evans uppa ra ya hun
Londonderry🇬🇧
DERRY
@L C In Northern Ireland it's recognised as Londonderry. Where it's located.
I much prefer the local and neutral variation *Legenderry* 😎
A true neutral name would be Genevaderry tho
Cowsmakederry
Wanker
I live there. Its Derry. The original name of the city was doire meaning oak tree therefore it should be derry
I often think that the use of the name of this city shows that the Unionist's have a valid fear . The UK State broadcaster bends over backwards to appease both sides ( If your nerdy are enough to want to know , the rule is if you say Derry first you must say Londonderry twice in the report and vice a verso- means you have to make uneven number of name checks ) The Irish State Broadcaster simply never say's Londonderry , It is a marker of the respect and understanding Unionist's would have if the 26 annex the 6
@@5888max still derry to me mei don't care what the BBC think
Sort of missed the point , I realise it is Derry to you , the BBC realise that as well so try not to marginalise you by refusing to use the Name . But rte know as I ( and in trurth you do) that to many people in the North it is Londonderry but will not respect that in the way you are respected , so obviously this is a clue to the Unionists that should fear a takeover
@@5888max Imperialism is over, it derry since it is the original of the city and %75 of the city residents are Catholics.
@@solid7468 Glad you accept that Imperialism is over so the Status of the 6 counties is safe from a claim from any other State unless all it's people agree . The Official Name of the City in question remains Londonderry , that is a fact and is not connected with religion . You are a sectarian bigot , and if you really wanted a United Ireland you would reach out to the what you say is 25% of the city ( it is even after Provo ethnic cleansing slightly higher ) Rather than dictating that Numbers Trump logic and Law , that is hardly likely to convince a Protestant they would be safe as a minority in a UI
In my City in Canada there’s a part of town and a mall call “Londonderry”, I try to call it Derry when I can and educate people but they can’t understand the troubles. That’s a good thing! I’m so happy and blessed that my parents left Belfast so I could be born in a country that is free! I still have lots of family in Ireland that I visit though, so I pray that Brexit will not stir up old wounds. I hope we can all move forward ❤️
Don't think your parents explained Irish history to you very well , Canada moved towards Self Government in stages by consent and as one Nation , even with the minority in Quebec. The same was always on offer to Ireland but Irish people in a minority feared what other Irish People would do to them so refused the offer and went for separation
atherwitch Jesus Christ you’re so sad.
Haha get stuffed
In NH, there’s a town called Derry, directly next to a town called Londonderry. I’ve always wondered where it came from, growing up near it. So thank you!
I wonder, were those two towns founded by Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants respectively?
What's funny is that Derry and Londonderry are adjacent towns in Southern New Hampshire.
The GuardianX I commented the same thing! Nice to see a fellow New Hampshirite.
Londonderry's the better town, right?
@@mustardseed8407 No comment ;3
Fact (maybe even a fun one): When you drive on the Interstate 93 in New Hampshire USA you will see signs for Derry and for Londonderry (Derry being on the eastern side of the highway and Londonderry being on the western side).
Tom Nord no offense lad but this isn’t about the USA
@@halveyz7620 as a northern Irish person I find the north Hampshire Derry and Londonderry thing funny.
Granted, northern Ireland probably had different pronunciations, but now I get to enjoy you attempting to say words in my language
My nana is a protestant ulsterwoman from Ballymena Co. Antrim - her family always called it Derry. I'm a protestant and unionist raised atheist and republican nationalist from the west of Scotland and I've always called it Derry. No one, regardless of their political or religious view on the matter, has ever corrected me :P
This is coincidental. A man who is currently living in my town, from Derry came to give a speech about how life was growing up in derry and trying to move to Shannon (a new town in Ireland, far south from derry.) during the troubles. Amazing video.
I actually live in a town in the US named Derry, and the next town over is called Londonderry. Here in New Hampshire, most towns are named after places in the British Isles.
In New Hampshire, we have a town called Derry and a town called Londonderry. It always confused me where the name for Londonderry came from, but now I know Derry is “officially” Londonderry.
As a Catholic Derry Man, I appreciate you making a video about this - to educate the public. Thank you - so much.
*for those fourteen men derry are the last that you will bury*
293 dead and 10,000 imprisonments ur lucky a labour government was in charge cos we could have captured the south in a month
@@MM-mu1rv I'm neither irish or british mate
SO TAKE A TIP, AND LEAVE US WHILE YOU MAY!!!
@@papaputinandthenukefactory49 *Go on home British soldiers, Go on home
So take a tip, and leave us while you may
And so this name stands to this Derry day.
It is Londonderry. Derry is a bad word.
It was called Derry before English people even existed.
Well, not exactly 'Derry' but I see your point.
No it wasn't. Derry is an English name
@@peepiepo Derry is the direct translation of the original Gaelige name.
Daire --> Doire --> Derry.
@@peepiepo Well, direct English translations from Gaelige aren't exactly direct because they hold no meaning to the original name, but you get the jist.
Old Uncle Silas Doire=Derry
Great stuff. Love what you do. As an American with half English heritage I’ve literally been trying to brush up on these various issues about the times of the “Troubles” and some of my source material has been TH-cam or another is a great book I have called the Penguin illustrated history of England and Ireland (so-called British Isles). Of course we like how American ex-Senator George Mitchell went over there in 1998 to try to broker an agreement. Anyway I love your Name Explain stuff!
The most *TROUBLED* name in Ireland
I see what you did there
As someone born in England who's all but Scottish, it's Derry.
You should do a follow up episode on Londonderry and Derry New Hampshire USA. They have an interesting history.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the walled city being a new settlement across the river from the older Derry settlement, which was called Londonderry, and expanded out into the original Derry.
Wait you're from Bognor! I'm from Littlehampton, I knew you were from somewhere in the south but cool to see a local guy doing so well!
Londonderry = British Protestant Unionists
Derry = Irish Catholic Nationalists
Simple as that and as complicated as that
Better version:
Londonderry = protestant unionists
Derry = literally everyone else
@@TheBananaLoverorignal and because Derry sounds 100000x better than Londonderry lol
More accurate still:
Derry - everyone from Derry (including Protestant Unionists), Nationalists, the rest of Ireland, the rest of the world
Londonderry - Unionists who aren't from Derry
Anyone born on the island of Ireland is Irish
It's Derry, sorry Brits. You may rule the waves and the Nintendo Switch (thanks to Pokemon Sword and Shield), but you don't rule the Irish
Funny thing is, the vast majority of Brits don't give a toss what it's called.
@@Psyk60 most Brits don't give a toss about Northern Ireland anyway
Thanks Kim :)
I heard there was a new Pokemon game by those names being made, but I didn't know what they were based on. Can't say I expected to be informed by the Super Awesome Kim Jong-Un.
but they are British, and they refer to it as London derry - you wouldn't let Poland name your main city if you were germany
It's CONTAE DHOIRE
Newmono Ní thiocfaidh leat a bheith níos ceart, a cara
@@papaputinandthenukefactory49 Wouldn't 'Ní thing leat' make more sense? Haven't spoken Irish in a while though so I might be wrong.
@@papaputinandthenukefactory49 Wouldn't 'Ní thing leat' make more sense? Haven't spoken Irish in a while though so I might be wrong.
I can happily report that Derry and Londonderry peacefully coexist in New Hampshire, other than a slight rivalry in High School sports teams.
Source: I've lived in Derry, NH nearly my entire life.
Pinkerton is better. We had Alan B Shepard.
@@BananaBrainsZEF Oh yeah, I'm taking the Veterinary program there next year.
It's funny, here in Salem, everyone trash talks Pinkerton. :P
I saw that on a map on Friday and died laughing
Londonderry is named Londonderry because the businesses of London put all there money into it to build it up to make it a vibrant city which it is to day and so named after those s business men in respect of the great gift to Derry city
So is London should be named Moscowlondon from all the dirty money washed there?
As soon as the pop up showed up I knew it was Derry.
I actually think it's officially got 2 names for 2 different places of this county. You have the City of Derry, but the county is Londonderry
So, one day, will Ireland be united? :-0
Better not. No taigs in my land.
@@BGIBNEY1 it will, you know it ireland, northern Ireland is irish
@@mikeoxsmal8022 Keep believing, only those west of the Bann believe that shite. Most of us are Ulster-Scots anyway.
We actually can't afford Northern Ireland, we would go bankrupt again 😂
@@marycherry7050 maybe if we let Brittan have it they will go bankrupt
It’s called Londonderry but I say Derry
I suppose Israelis and Palestinians also have their own preferences for the name of this city.
Funny enough they probably do as most nationalists support the palestinian cause and as a result the unionists tend to support the israeli, so you'll most likely find them using Derry and Londonderry respectfully
@@JamesDonnellyDrums is it really that bad? I mean, I heard IRA had questionable methods, but supporting HAMAS aka Palestine? Wow...
Kasumi Ryona the PIRA don’t support Hamas, they support the PLO, which is now seen as the legitimate representative.
Hamas are Islamic fundamentalists, just like Israel are Jewish fundamentalists. The PLO, like the PIRA are secular, anti-imperialist organisations with a socialist ideology.
@@KasumiRINA the PIRA dont exist anymore lmao, but nationalists give solidarity to the palestinian cause against oppression
@Kasumi Ryona Why would it surprise you that one native population with a history of being driven off their land and persecuted because of their ethnicity sympathises with another being subjected to the same thing?
I believe it is known as Derry, although I may be wrong, just like the confusion around Dublin-Chester, Madrid-under-Lyme and Paris-Bognor-Regis.
Some small pronunciation corrections.
The Irish name for "Derry" is "Doire" usually pronouced as "Dih-Ra" or "Dyih-Ra" (varies slightly from accent to accent)
"Calgach" would be pronounced as "Kal-Gak" as Ch in Irish makes a K sound
@@socbocs I'm actually fluent in Irish, though with a Munster accent. The pronunciation of Doire likely differs from place to place but Calgach 100% ends with a K sound. Ch makes a K sounds while S is the only way an Sh sound can be made.
@@socbocs While at the start of a word it would sound like more a throaty K, at the end, it is definitely a K. As in Loch, Teach and Ach. I will say that Munster accents are a bit more anglecised than Connaught or Ulster, but there is definitely no accent where a Ch is pronounced as Sh
@@socbocs You may be right for your local accent but I have grown up with it being a K. My main point is that it's not Sh
@@socbocs I don't recall the language being called "Gaelic". Rather it is "Irish" in English and "Gaeilge" in Irish. Stop spreading misinformation ;)
@@socbocs I will admit I did not consider any Scottish roots to the name and I will research Ulster Scots and Scottish Galic more.
i live in county derry city londonderry i am a catholic i only say londonderry for the city because i find myself saying the county more and i want a difference between them
Clearly, the solution is to rename it Dublinlondonderry. That way, republicans are annoyed by the London, unionists by the Dublin, and the rest by how much of an arse it is to say :D
I like the way you think 😀
I live right beside Derry. I’ve no idea where Londonderry is
Is this like calling a city BerlinPotsdamm or WashingtonDCBoston? Kinda stupid if you ask me.
Chemniz was renamed to Kalrmarxstadt by commies, and Saigon IS still called Ho Chi Minh, so yeah, also every city had a "Lenin street". Did it make any them more russian? Nope.
It's like Manila being called Washingtonmanila when the Philippines was a US colony.
British colonial naming is rather stupid. It's meant to be a reference to the "superior" home country and changing the name of a local city is a key way to enforce that. It's why the name was, and still is, such a contentious issue: it epitomises the Unionist attitude towards the native nationalists.
It's especially odd as basically all the locals call it Derry cause Londonderry is a mouthful
I like how you said Ireland instead of Northern Ireland...
As someone who was raised in NI, but having parents raised elsewhere, I never really got into the politics and history of the country. Now I end up calling it Derry because it's shorter...
Another layer on top of this is that there is a county called Derry(Londonderry), where the city is in. When working on my A-Level computing project, I wanted to add a combobox for the counties of NI, so I asked a friend if I should call it county Derry or Londonderry. He told me that the county was called Derry and the city, Londonderry. I can't tell how accepted that idea is, though.
It's Northern Ireland not Ireland ya ejit
Yep, a much better approach than ROI and NI
I generally prefer to call things by their original name, as opposed to the name given them by non-natives. For instance, Zion National Park in Utah ought to be called Mukuntuweap National Park. Derry is a fine name just as it is.
If possible, I'd use the names that the Native Africans would use in Swahili, or whichever language they happen to speak.
you would call it Doire then
Well then, I'm sure each people group has a name for their specific region. Instead of generalizing it as "Africa" I might use those names instead. Like instead of calling people "Native Americans" a person could use the specific tribe name instead.
@@kesselrunner Ok, which continent has the Nile?
@Demonde Laplace I'm not saying we shouldn't call it Africa. I'm just saying that we *could* be more precise if we wanted to be. For instance, instead of saying "That guy's from Africa.", We could say, "That guy's a San tribesman from the Kalahari."
Hey NameExplain, I was wondering if you can cover the difference between the name of a language vs the people who live there? If one comes before another?
ITS CALLED ATHENSDYRRY
City council voted to call it Derry,
Ahh my last name is Derry, good to have a bit of background on it
Touching on the troubles can be... touchy to say the least.
The reason Irish people never use the word surrender, is because, only an army/nation/state/country can surrender. The Irish are a people that are born to an island.
Only the colony can surrender.
The British colony in Ireland. And thats why it can be the only outcome in the long run, unless \britain for some reason does indeed wish to keep war ongoing in Ireland for political and aesthetic reason
I used to work in an Irish airline and the airport charts for the airport were a big bone on contention. Some would file them under *L* for Londonderry and others under *D* for Derry. It was pathetic really.
Cuirim Doire air mar is Gaeilgor mé as gCuige Uladh
The funny thing is Britian is the island on which England, Scotland and Wales are. So It's impossibly for people from nortern Ireland to be anything other than Nortern irish, Ukish or Irish.
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A similar situation in Australia is the town of Oenpelli/Gunbalanya in the NT. Road signs refer to it as Oenpelli (Gunbalanya) and historically white Australians referred to it as Oenpelli and indigenous Australians use Gunbalanya. I'm not sure on the history of the two names but it's interesting nevertheless. Most other occurences like this in Australia are things (eg Uluru/Ayers Rock) rather than towns.
You get some weird ones on the continent too Köln in Germany is known as Cologne in English though that is most likely dating back to when the House of Hanover had the thrones of both Hanover and England in Personal Union which promptly ended with Victoria as female succession was allowed under English law but not in Hanover later got annexed by Prussia anyway so...
Calgach/Kalgash would be a cool name for it.
Abbie Archer It is actually pronounced more like Calgack- the final sound doesn’t exist in English.
The closest thing would probably be a -kh suffix, similar to how we say the "Khan" in Genghis Khan in English.
If it was pronounced properly...
@@AndrewGeierMelons
I've never heard it pronounced any other way than with a hard K in English
@@Hwyadylaw - exactly.
Derry, AND Londonderry are towns in New Hampshire. They’re right next next to each other, too.
Bets are on where the orange lodge is located.
....opposite the court house and in-between the fire station and the police station ....ahem just clearing my throat ;)
Meanwhile in New Hampshire
You can tell if a folk group is British or Irish by how they begin the Maid of Coolmore.
My granny and Granda were marching on Bloody Sunday and both survived
Calling Derry 'Londonderry' would be like India deciding to aggressively colonise England by force, put some infrastructure up in Manchester, and then rename the place Mumbaimanchester. That would be daft right? Well no, not if you're a unionist who doesn't think tacking the capital city of the UK onto the front of another city is stupid and pointless.
I used a similar analogy but used Spain instead of India in reply to a different comment and the reply I got was, it’s different because Spain is foreign to England, what kind of mental gymnastics is that?
@@ollie_hellhunter3356
"Spain is foreign to England."
I want whoever that was to take a step back, and think about the Ireland situation a bit harder...
You spent all this time commenting and yet it is still called Londonderry.
Derry was the main trading route for the provinces and from London. It was called little London by london and became locally (by the provinces) known as Londonderry that is the real version. Bout ye lads, Derry wans will know 😉
The only place, from where I know a city named Derry is Stephen Kings "IT".
2:32 for those who complain about James McClean not wearing a poppy. Just remember this is his home city
Fintan exactly he’s from here and you’d never see one of us wearing one
@@irishgirlleona9357 Think you might you have not ethnically cleansed every Prod yet
My grandfather fought on the western front in ww1 in hopes of getting independence from the British and when they refused after he got home he helped the IRA in the war for independence and would hate us to wear a poppy
Londonderry is the only word in the English language with 6 silent letters at the start
It should be up to the People of Ireland to Decide and not the Foreign Aggressor
Exactly thank you
Come out ye black and tans
Fun story, my great great uncle fought against the British in the original IRA. Now half of his descendants live in southern England like me and his kids moved to vancouver. Kinda ironic 😅
JORDiNi 24 how is that ironic im confused
@@lorcan5989 he fought against the British so he and his family could live in a free Ireland but now half of us live in the place he fought against for freedom
JORDiNi 24 o ok thanks
It's Doire #makeirelandgaelicagain
@Anglo-Celtic Mega Nationalist Yeah there's a fucking surprise. You're not even Irish and you're trying to give your opinion. Gaelic is a nearly dead language because the English were the most racist people on the planet and now it's in the process of revival. One day all of Ireland will speak Gaeilge, and by the time that happens, most of England will speak Bengali or Somali.
@Anglo-Celtic Mega Nationalist And it won't be English. One day all cultures and peoples will be able to thrive in harmony with one another
Anglo-Celtic Mega Nationalist I thought you were being ironic omg lololol how tf do you think there’ll only be one language??? That’s not how things work??? And natural selection? There are multiple species so by your analogy there can be multiple languages. And Gaelic isn’t a language it’s a group of languages. Keep it imperialism to yourself. 100 years ago French was in the place English is today- in 100 years for all we know Catalan or Swahili could be the fucking ““world language””
@@copeandseethe9279 sorry m8 but the revival aint workin the curriculum and teachers are crap, most people don't like irish at all
@Anglo-Celtic Mega Nationalist im gonna hope you are joking. why don't you tell me why we're not currently speaking latin
Hi guys, could help me with that I can't get the word he says "outside of Woolworths of all places to ............... a month before I was born" (around 2:40 -45)
Those 14 in Derry are the last ones you’ll bury!! Also, it’s not pronounced “Northern Ireland” it’s called Ulster, a province of the legitimate Ireland.
You're from Bognor! I'm from Chichester and remember the bomb in Bognor outside of Woolworths. It was hidden in bike.
It's definitely Derry
Here in New Hampshire, USA we have both a Derry and a Londonderry. Two separate towns.
I'm almost sure there's s murderous clown in one of those.
The is no trouble, it's Derry.
Londonderry *
Skeptic no mucker it’s Derry
@@irishgirlleona9357 It is Londonderry. Derry is a bad word.
It is Londonderry. Derry is a bad word.
By law, the British postal service will deliver any otherwise properly-addressed letter or package to the town in question labelled either "Derry" or "Londonderry".
Tbh, assuming it's the same as the rest of the UK, all you need is the house number (or name) and the postcode.
You butchered the Irish spellings and pronounciations
Yeah. Let the Irish butcher their own pronunciations.
@@thomasmann9216 easy to speak if it has more than 2 letters don't pronounce half of them
To his defense, unlike other times where his mispronouciations are ridiculous, almost nobody outside of Ireland can read their consonant salad correctly.
@@KasumiRINA
Consonant salad? You mean vowel salad.
Taoiseach is spelled with 5 vowels (4 unique), but pronounced with two.
Well, I say that, but consonants isn't a simple matter either..
4:41 'Who'll care what name you call a town?' Name Explain, they will.
As a really radical idea, why don't we [who don't live there] let the people who actually live in the city decide what to call it?
That appears to be part of the problem.
I remember listening to Radio one when I was younger and they had a festival there or something, anyway they called it Derry Londonderryand I thought that was its actual name, derrylondonderry
United Ireland forever!
That is an ignorant statement; if people wanted Northern Ireland to be annexed by Ireland, it would have happened already.
If Derry is called Londonderry then London is called DerryLondon
Derry.
very good video thanks
Ok
How about
Londerry
PIGEON MAN no just derry
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Didn't know you were a nationalist
This is the most generic comment from you yet
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Sorry but it's Doire not daire. Thank you for making this video. As a young person from Derry, I really love the education of the wider world that we are an area of historical interest and it's a really good video. Thank you
Dorie was Daire in Old Irish
Go back to calling it oak grove, that's it sorted. That or Islamabad
How about we all just call it "That one place."
Just give back Nothern Ireland to Ireland, UK!
The UK has made it clear that if northern Ireland wants to join Ireland, they can
No fuck u
@bbonner422
Northern Ireland doesn't have a Parliment but it does have a General Assembly, just like Scotland and Wales. Funnily enough, England actually doesn't have it own devolved Parliment or assembly
U don't have a clue mate
@Anglo-Celtic Mega Nationalist can confirm