KTM 350 XC-F vs 300 XC-W on the Razorback Trail
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In this video, we compare the 300 two-stroke to the 350 four-stroke in a technical, rocky single track circuit. This is the first of a few of these comparison videos we plan to do. Other situations will warrant different results. These bikes are total individuals and will shine in their own way in different terrain. Enjoy the video!
Keep in mind that these videos are simply for fun. They are completely different bikes built for different purposes. At the time I did this video, I wasn't the best rider and had been spending more time on the 300 than anything else. I'm certainly more adept at riding the 4 strokes now, but I still stand by my assertion that the 2 strokes are easier to ride when the going gets tough. I've spend the past couple of years testing and reviewing 2 strokes and 4 strokes and I can tell you there is a noticeable difference when riding the two different motor styles in the more tricky situations. The 4 strokes are great when you have higher speeds and more flowing terrain. When you need quick direction changes, and need to be able to lug the motor down low in the RPM range, the 2 stroke shine. I love them both for different reasons.
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Gotta stop worrying about the 4 stroke guys getting upset stop apologizing they will be fine
Putting a rekluse clutch in the 350 makes it the best woods bike for my local tracks, solves the flame out issue however the 300 is great on the technical stuff as it grunts better than than the 350 even with rekluse. Figured I’d throw this out here for anybody considering as I’ve had experience with both bikes
You "flamed out" because you don't know how to ride a 4 stroke...there's a clutch for a reason
The problem isnt the F, it is the W.. The wide ratio transmission is what dominated this.
Thats not the point. He’s proving that 2 S can handle better (or not flame out) than the 4 S. Yes if he worked the clutch more he may not stall. But that is not the point. Point is; going the same track, same gear 2 S pulled through and 4 stroke stalled.
One thing I will say is that a 2 stroke is the most violent bike you will ever ride, I love it
Dennis Cox Love me some 2 stroke power!
I do,
Violent? The 300 is a mellow tractor. The opposite of violent
Dennis Cox But at the same time they can be the smoothest!
The KTM 300 you can tune with the red, yellow and green spring. Put on the red spring if you want that power band to hit hard and brutal, put on the green spring and you will have a mellow tractor :) At least so they say, have not yet had the pleasure to ride one myself yet but think I will buy a KTM 300 2 stroke but also think of the KTM 500 as I do like the grunt of a big 4 stroke. I did love my Yamaha WR450 for tarmac and fast gravel roads but it was a bit hard to control at slow and technical and I am not a good rider at all lol :)
Flamed out? Whatever dude you stalled it where I’m from 😂 keep practicing!
I cringed every time I heard you say the bike flamed out just say you stalled the damn bike.
There must be a lot of pro riders in the comments section since none of them ever stall a 4t due to their amazing clutch skills.
Sprnklrmn hahahaha fr
It seems as tho you're more biased towards the 2 strokes in general so it really is hard to tell
The 300 XCW definitely will outperform the 350 XCF in that type of riding. The XCW and XCF are in totally different categories. The XCW is a single track and technical trail bike, and the XCF is a MX / desert race bike. I think a more fair comparison would be the 300 XCW compared to the 350 XCF-W. I just bought a 15 Beta 390 four stroke, which is very comparable to the 350 XCF-W but a little more low end torque. Love the bike so far! Not a single flame out yet! We ride EM single track a lot. Hit us up if you wanna ride!
RiderDestinationsTV I agree with everything you said. I just wanted to pick up a "change of pace" bike, so I opted for the XC version of this bike. I have to say that I really like the suspension on it for the faster sections.
Dirt Bike Channel I second the suggestion of the XCFW. I ride the 250 XCFW and have never flamed out on that exact trail. Mind you, I like to ride in 2nd gear and slip the clutch when things get gnarly. It's nice to know that when I upgrade to the 300 XCW that I'll get all the benefits of the 2-stroke and it should already suite my riding style.
***** I'll third that suggestion. The XC-F is NOT a single track machine. That's precisely what the XCF-W is for, two stroke or four stroke. Not a fair comparison. I've got a de-restricted 500 EXC, and it would rip that trail. With a lot of clutch slipping, but with that butter smooth diaphragm clutch, it's not a thing. And the pros always say use the clutch to modulate power. So...
Dang, I always thought 4 strokes did better with low rpm than a 2 stroke. Looks like there's more to learn.
I have a 2011 FE390 that I bought brand new in 2013 and JUST bought a 2012 TE300 that has 25 miles on it. I have a Rekluse on the 390 and have gotten used to the simple riding that bike provides. The 300...WOW! VERY light and nimble. Still getting used to the change. I feels like I out the 390 motor in a mountain bike.
I had a good friend ride both of my bikes at Carnegie Hills in Livermore, Ca and after riding the 390, told me that the bike was like cheating easy. "Effortlessly to ride." He then rode the 300 and said he was able to make it up obstacles he has NEVER been able to make before and that he would be willing to challenge anyone (in his class) to the hill climbs they hold there each year.
Excited to learn to ride the 2-stroke.
GREAT videos! Keep 'em coming.
Darren Boddy Darren, thanks for sharing your experience. The TE 300 is an awesome bike!
Turning the idle up on the 350s makes all the difference. More so than a heavy flywheel or a remap
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Great job. IMO not a fair comparison but it shows a lot how perform each bike in the same terrain. Hopefully soon my garage will have a 300 XC-W which is amazing for trails, gnarly and technical sections, and 450 XC which is great for single tracks and faster staff.
Actually I have a 450 XC-W and 350 EXC-F. The 450 is much more easy to ride and I love it. Even in gnarly trails it does the job perfectly!
Anyway, great job, keep riding and enjoy! =)
These comparisons are right on point, my buddy and I both bought 2015 husqvara te300's.. I come from a street bike background and a bit of supermoto. I haf never ridden anything bigger than a cr70f on dirt, we ride with my neighbor who has benn riding for a long long time, he bought a Honda 250x last year and we traded bikes the other day for a few miles, needles to say he loves the 300. As far as my input, I love my 300, its light, nimbles, you can lug it, you can let it scream....I'v only had it 6 weeks and already have put 12 hours 200 miles on it, all technical single track... Two stroke for life!!!! Anyway, we ride the Entiat ranger district in central Washington, over 300 miles of maintained single track with trail heads just a few miles from my house... You should hit me up and come ride up here, look up the trails in my arear here on TH-cam.
Obed M. Thanks for the message. I'd like to try out a TE 300, as I've heard nothing but good things on them.
I read that if you increase the idle speed it helps TREMENDOUSLY on preventing flameout
great review! your mix of riding and talking is just fine. keep up the good work.
The XCF-W would have been a better apples to apples comparison to the XC-W. I doubt the flame outs would have been as much of a problem with the gearing and heavier crankshaft. But cool video!
+Jeff Quade You may be right. I can only compare what I own. The XCF-W was too close to the XC-W, so I didn't buy that one.
I would suggest dropping a tooth in the rear so you could ride the 4 stroke in the correct rpm range. You should try keeping it higher in the rpm range that's where the 350 make their power. I have a 2015 350 sxf. I've found this to be the case for me. Love your show and thanks for all the videos.
Gearing is definitely a game changer. I run a 2014 500EXC with 13/48 and 14/52. Tight technical stuff I am constantly feathering the clutch and keep the revs up, it will plow up and through anything. Thanks for another great video.
Greg Thorne Thanks for the comment. I may play around with the gearing on this 350. Not sure yet.
***** And if pure power was all that mattered, we'd all be riding 1000cc bikes :) Thanks for watching Jim!
Dirt Bike Channel If it has high gearing to pass emissions when sold it will suck on trails. Just like my 500 with stock gearing was awful I switched it to 13-50 like the xcw & it rocks.
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This bike comes with 13-50 gearing stock (the 350 XC-F). Going up to a 52 tooth on the rear would help in certain situations for sure.
Important note: the gearing is taller on the 350 vs the 300. Many folks in the comments are bashing the Kyle because he didn't use his clutch properly. Yes you are right, slipping the clutch is necessary BUT its also really important to have the correct gearing to go slow without stalling or burning your clutch. I came to this video to confirm what i saw in other comparisons, that the gearing on the 350 is taller meaning each gear will go a higher speed. Kyle s learning this in the video but is still correct that this is a downfall of this bike.
Don't get why everybody talks about him being biased towards 2 strokes there's certain things they're better at than 4 strokes I love the 2 stroke but I personally own a 4 stroke. To each their own it's all preference. Great videos man ! Keep it up !
+nothinfinerthana49er Thanks for having my back!
+Dirt Bike Channel your welcome man !
love he says flamed out
pull the clutch on build your revs and slip the thing it's bathed in oil for a reason ... use it to keep your revs up and stop you from stalling
Watch some of my newer stuff and you'll notice that I am getting better :) Funny that you don't need to use the clutch on a 300 2 stroke as much. Those things are magic.
Your video completley changes my idea on a 2t vs 4t
I have been really considering a 4t for my seccond bike for low rpms but hearing this changes everything lol
Foster Schutt Yeah get a 300 two stroke and you'll love the low rpm power.
I'm on a 125 two stroke right now, considering a 2010+ two stroke for my next bike. I'm in Pennsylvania and will be doing woods riding and hare scrambles, presuming you ride at least some of that kind of stuff, which woulld you say would work the best: 200xc-w, 250xc/xc-w, or 300xc/xc-w? I feel with a 300 I would put myself into a tree at my expirence level haha.
Foster Schutt I'd look for a 200 XC-W in your case. It would be a great step up from the 125 you are on now.
Foster Schutt Foster. I've owned KTM 300XC's and XC-W's, CRF450, YZ450F, and some other crap. I'm currently on a KTM 250SX converted to a 300SX with a wide ratio gearbox installed and lots of goodies. My 300SX is like a more hyper/intense version of the 300XC. It's pissed off all the time. I've added a flywheel weight, change the jetting, mellower powervalve spring. It helps, but I strongly recommend the 300XC-W for enduro riding. I didn't want the added weight of the starter and all that crap, which is why I have SX. With the wide ratio it does absolutely fine, but you'd better be an aggressive rider if you're going to go the 300SX route. The engines are simply tuned for max HP at the expensive of the low rpm luggability of the XC/XC-W.
CourageOO7
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you have a pretty sweet setup for your needs!
Love my 525 but these vids make me miss my two strokes. Keep up the good work!
gootsAr15 Yes, each bike tends to be it's own animal and each is great in certain ways.
4t guys don't stress each to their own. If your happy with what you have its all that counts.
Just cause you like 2 strokes doesn't mean you need to make 4 strokes look bad there way different in ways we can't agree
Ian C quit complaining and go make your own channel praising 4strokes
Everybody knows that you are a two stroke man
It depends on the ride, if you ride with skill and no fear and experience it won't matter, but 2 stroke is wicked power,
I recently went to my local KTM dealer and -- not knowing KTM very well -- told him I needed a good woods/trail bike and that I liked slow, technical riding. He sold me a 350XC-F. And I can attest to the fact that the bike likes to stall and hates going slow. Of course I can adjust my riding style to match it, but I feel I would have been better served with an EXC or XCFW.
+4570shooter I agree with you whole heatedly. Get the W if you want to go slower in the tricky stuff.
I always love your videos, Kyle. I think the main take away from this is that the Two stroke is an easier bike to ride in these situations. I don’t think the 4 Stroke is any less capable, but you have to ride higher in the RPMs. You either have to really work the clutch, or put in a Rekluse auto clutch. I currently have a 2015 Yz250f that I ride. I bought it thinking I would go to the track, but I quickly found out I much prefer trails. It definitely likes to stall. For now I am going to throw some protective parts on the bike and a rekluse auto until I decide I’m ready to buy a dedicated trail bike. That bike will likely be a KTM 300 Xc-W. I rode a buddy’s newer Husky 300 TE and it really is very hard to stall, even for a novice woods rider like myself. Keep up the good work!
Just wanted to let you know I have really enjoyed your channel I'm new too the single track scene coming from an mx background I am currently riding a crf450r but your videos and insight are helping me realize I need another bike for this style of riding keep up the great work thanks again
Buck p Yeah, the CRF 450R is a great bike on the track, but it's not best suited on the tight single track. Thanks for watching!
Great Video.
I have the Beta 300 and a 15 300XC. Everyone says why two 300's...let me tell you they are very different bikes! Ever get Down into NM let me know and we can compare them all!
Great vids man.
***** Thanks Ken!
Also if they are worth it?
My husqvarna comes with the stock hand guards. I could return what I bought no problem and would save me lots of money. What do you think
good video Dirtbike channel,dont listen to the obvious trolls' gave up on 4 strokes though when the crank shaft literally snapped in 2 and grenades my motor on my 2007 crf 450,went back to 2 strokes and now ride a kx 250 2003. and a 97 cr5
Try the enduro version of the 350 not the cross one if engine stalls.Different(not so advanced)timing and heavier flywheel(more inertia).Agree the 4 stroke stalls easyer.But the bike you ride it is not for tech enduro if you are not familiar with an engine that fires once at 2 revolutions.The 2 stroke has much more advantages compared to 4 stroke in tech terrain.But the stalling is not a 4 stroke problem,it is setup and riding skills.Regards,
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You should try changing the rear sprocket. I was having the same issue stalling on my 350 exc 4 stroke and when i changed the rear sprocket it changed my life and I never flame out now. Thanks for the awesome video!! Nice to see a comparison of 2 stock bikes.
+Michael Fischer I have long since sold the 350 to make room for other bikes to test. I do miss that bike though...
haha thought the video was more recent! keep up the videos very helpful.
Where is this trail? How do I get to the trailhead? I live in the Salt Lake area and I'm always looking for good desert single track when the mountains are still covered in snow. Thanks!
"I'm more comfortable", and "I made a mistake". Pretty much says it all.
Do you think the bikes with the Linkage rear would be ok for harescrambles? I'm torn. I like the xc-f but the PDS option is tempting. I know I'm probably not a good enough rider to notice a difference.
Another awesome video! Great Job!
More of the riding would have been good, or maybe just a slower fast forward so more could be seen, otherwise it was a good length.
I keep thinking taking 2 stroke (300) or 4 stroke (350). Thanks you for sharing your videos! Awesome!!!
I appreciate your opinion very much. I just can't see myself on a 500 while I'm trail riding places like Hungry Valley. It's 245 lbs dry and I can't help but think that bike would wipe me out if I ever needed to pick it up like your nearly upside down 300. I'm sure either one of your tested bikes would make me very happy. The 300 sounds great because of its light weight and slow speed manners. Great vid, perfect talk to riding ratio. Keep them coming.
Mike James Seriously, I've loved the 300XC-W more than anything else I've ever owned in my life. If you don't mind mixing gas, which isn't a big deal, the 300 XC-W would be a better fit than the 350 XC-F for your needs.
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Why wouldn't you compare the 300XC to the 350 XCF-W, which should avoid many of the "flame outs" that seem to be the only complaint about the four stroke??
Nice comparison, glad I went with the 2 stroker!
That guitar riff in the beginning is sick!
+Stefan C I like that one too.
Thanks to your videos I have added a 2017 300 XC-W to the stable of bikes for next year. It will be interesting to see if I like it more than the 450 CRF-X or as much as I like the 400 EXC. Im excited to be back on a 2 stroke. Thank you for the great videos.
where is this trail? I feel like I've ridden it before but cant put my finger on it. Lake mountain maybe?
Elaina Meadows It's somewhere in Utah County :)
PS sorry i rec. got a 15 450 XCW ..should probably change my user name but ol faithful is still in the garage
dude!!!put a rekluse on that 350!i know you dont want to feel like your cheatin,,butlook at it as a improvement to the bike!..ive been enjoying your films,thank you for the time it takes to make them!sitting home after surgury wishin i was ridin!i would love to ride out there by you western guys!!looks epic!
+hometownguy71 For me, the idea of using a Rekluse is kind of like buying a sports car with an automatic transmission. Kind of takes the challenge out of it a bit. I have two hands and they both have something really important to do, that is sort of the fun of this sport. One of them can pull the clutch while the other is for the gas and brake. An automatically operated clutch takes some of that challenge away from me. It’s almost like cheating in a way. When I stall my bike on an obstacle or hill, it just means I need to get my crap together and get better.
Does that make sense?
Good vid Kyle . Ide love to ride up there . There's nothing like that in uk
would 350 xcw-f be better for this riding then?
I literally don't flame out even at a dead stop on my 4 stroke but I think its because I use my clutch lol not a crazy 4 stroke fan or anything just think your used to using a 2 stroke.
A great/dynamic rider can probably make anything work but it sure seems like 2-strokes are the bike of choice in the big hare scrambles/enduro races. I was down to the 350xc-f, 300xc or the 250xc and after riding all three I fell in love with the 250xc. Great power/weight ratio, no crazy vibration, no high compression issues... I definitely prefer the 2-stroke. For the track though... probably 4-stroke.
+linkbeat I could not have said it better than you just did. Good work.
+Dirt Bike Channel Thanks, love the vids, keep up the good work!
Hey I've got a question for you what kind of ramp are using to get your bikes in your truck? I usually load my bikes by myself and a wide ramp like that would make my life a lot easier! Also I know you're probably doing these reviews with these bikes being in stock form but you should think about getting a rekluse clutch on that four stroke. It helped mine a lot with the stalling out problem in the low RPMs Rocky sections.
Travis Napier It's just a basic 4 wheeler ramp. Makes getting in and out of the truck a whole lot easier. Yeah, I can see why folks would drop 1k on the rekluse clutch on these 350's. I have to admit though, I think that might take some of the fun out of it. Seems like cheating, you know?
Dirt Bike Channel. I see you definitely hit a sensitive nerve here with the 2T 4T comparison. Reading through the comments here its clear that everyone has an opinion, informed or completely subjective. Tough crowd, but I'm sure you know you cant please everyone. Anyway, I think you doing a great job with this channel, keep up the good work.
I've never ridden up that trail before. Looks pretty rad!
Alex Dorsey It it a fun one, but it can put you on your back in a few spots if you are not on your game!
TPS tuning was a huge improvement as well. I picked one up from BDSB along with a Snap, Grunt and end cap. Opened the engine up and gave it a little more low end pull. You still need to be on the gas and clutch when the going is slow and steep. They are both great bikes. You are lucky to have the chance to do the comparison. My son runs the 300EXC smoker and it is a beast.
Greg Thorne Yes, I am blessed to be able to own 2 late model (new) bikes to do comparisons with. I like both bikes for different reasons.
Kyle Brotherton, what do you think about the 450 4 strokes? And have you ever ridden a ktm 380cc 2 stroke or a ktm 500cc 4 stroke?
Use the clutch like your favorite pair of underwear on both bikes and neither will stall!
go down one tooth on the 4-stroke , problem solved. I have a 09 kx250f which I took out riding xc and hare scramble racing. I was killing the engine all the time until I put a bigger sprocket on the back. Runs like a champ now and i'm not even a good rider. I'm c -class. Really it comes down to the rider. Ride what suites you best. I've had 2-strokes as well. I had a kdx200 . What a great bike! I never should have sold it. I needed the money at the time. Anyway, ride on man, have fun!
qynsar Rock on brother!
I thin k it all depends how you ride if your pro 2-stroke you're going to ride better on a 2-strokes. I would take the 350 but don't get me wrong I love 2-stokes too! I I were rich I would have a stable of both bikes ! 👍I really appreciate the videos you're making for us really cool that you're comparing all these bikes keep up the good work💯🤘🏁
Nice video man! I started with 250 carb two stroke and got rid of it for a 350xcf. So different. Both awesome. Wish I could have both but oh well!
The not stalling and mild controllable power at low rpm is the main reasons I am considering a KTM 300 2 stroke... I had a WR450 and I liked it a lot but it was hard to ride when it got slow and technical because of the enormous hard to control power at low rpm and tendency to stall very easily. My first real dirtbike was a old 1983 KX125 MX bike and that was ironically enough more easy to ride in the slow and technical then the WR450 as it had very mild throttle response at low rpm and did not stall that easy. Ideally I would like to have both a KTM 500 and a 300 2 stroke :)
Would you consider using the 300 2 stroke for Vegas to reno race, I'm undecided between the 450 thumper or the 300 smoker, could use your advice since you seem to have a have a degree of knowledge on both, thanks.
Josh Thomas Josh, being completely unfamiliar with your riding style, weight, and also knowing nothing about this race.... I really can't offer an opinion that would mean much to you.
No worries, thank you for getting back to me on my enquiry, ride safe
what top handle bar clamps are you using on the 300? look like the same cycra busters i have on mine, nut the mounting point on mine doesnt work very well, loooks like what you have on your 300 will do the trick!
Corpse1984 BRP Hand Guard Mounts. www.brpmoto.com/index.php/ktm/product/1507-brp-hand-guard-mounts-bmi-9254.html
thanks man. you should keep things updated with what you've done to the bike. what shark fin(rear rotor guard) do you recommend?
how about a beta xtrainer 300 vs the ktm freeride250 on the razorback
My dad has the xtrainer, and my sister has the free ride. this is my viewpoint of the two bikes. The Beta is a real dirt bike shrunk 15% and de-tuned to be more friendly...but you can tune it back up using RR bits if you like. The Freeride is more like a trials bike with a seat on it and it's not as good for trail riding with your buddies on real bikes. If you want to play around psuedo-trials riding then it's fun, but for normal dirt bike use the Xtrainer wins my vote.
it all comes down to CHARACTER. Each of them have there own character. It's not just about which is best. Each characteristic is suited for different reasons like, terrain,weather,ability,ect. Also from personal experience the riders personality is a huge factor. I always loved 2 strokes. As a 15yr old my bike of choice was a 86 CR500. There is just too many variables to choose which is superior
What tire pressure do you run with all of those rocks? Im at 15psi in the tennessee mountains, very rocky, running HD tubes, feels like Im sliding around everywhere
+Bob Swagger If you are not running the TuBliss system on a trail like this, you have to run 15 psi or you'll get a pinch flat on your tubes. Yeah traction suffers for sure with 15 psi. That is why I have been running TuBliss for a couple of years now whenever I can.
Oh okay well I need some TuBliss then. No traction is no fun lol
That's a great set up to have where the two bikes perform better in certain areas. I think you'd really like the 300 XC with that 4CS suspension. One of our guys went from a 300 XCW to a 300 XC and he loves it. The Huskys and Betas are pretty amazing too. I rode the Beta 300 and liked it more than the KTM. Love the vids! Keep up the good work!
RiderDestinationsTV Yeah, I'm excited for a 2016 300 XC. I'd like to try a Beta 300R too. I've heard really good things about them.
What can you do mechanically to stop the 350 from flaming out? Besides slipping and covering the clutch?
Rekluse 100%
Loving the"classic" two stroke vs four stroke battle! My 450 would pull the socks off the 300 tho! Had to get it in sorry!
Anthony Hendley Anthony, that depends on what trail we are on! Truth brother :) Thanks for watching!
does the W in that smoker mean wide ratio trans or is that only the 4 stroke
Do you think the new TPI 2 stroke will maintain that low rpm lug?
Hey mate nice vids id go with the 2t, also what brand of hand guards are on the 2t 300 i havent seen them before and they look good ?
What year model is the 350?
I just bought the 350 XC-F.....2018 model year
I’ve had four strokes in the past.......just gotta know how to ride them is all......definitely diff than 2 strokes for sure
I’m no expert by any stretch of the imagination but the guy that said you need to learn how to ride them is correct
That’s not a criticism, just an observation is all
I love both two stroke and 4 stroke bikes, I think the main problem was that you're so use to riding the 300 as it can lug way down low as a two stroke can but a 4 stroke can't. You really gotta cover that clutch and when the RPM's get low pull it in and give it some gas to hike them up! You get use to it after you ride it more but I would not say it's the engines fult for sure
+Thom 1888 I agree with you on most points here. Having been switching back and forth between my 4 strokes and my 2 strokes all summer, I will say that 2 strokes are easier to ride in the technical, rocky crap.
Yea I've never tried a 2 stroke but from what i've heard they can be easier to ride out of the box. I bet if you get a auto clutch and some more upgrades she will not flame out as quick. Stay safe on the bike man your channel is great!
So does that mean that the difference between XC-W and XC-F is that the W is two stroke and the F is 4 stroke, that’s it?
Where is this trail?
Do they mean the XCF-W vs the XCW OR do they mean XCF vs XCW because there's a difference
Do you find your scotts stabilizer a good investment and or a great help?
Where is that's trail ?
this channel should be named 2 stroke channel
+Augi58 That is a good idea. But then I'd have to sell my 4 strokes :(
Dirt Bike Channel i love your videos, keep up great work!
+Dirt Bike Channel how do you afford all these dirtbikes that you test?
Buy low, sell high and work 2 jobs :)
Great vid Kyle . What a beautiful place Ide love to ride there . Fantastic
Thank you for the video. Do you think the needle moves to one side if the rider is of somewhat generous proportions? I'm 6' 2" and fully suited I'm over 250 lbs. My main riding style is sit down trail riding where I rarely exceed 30mph. Thanks Kyle
Mike James Both of these bikes tend to like to be pushed, although the 300 two stroke doesn't have to be. I'd look for a 500 XC-W in your case. It's a 4 stroke. Tons of power, but it's not going to jump up and bite you all the time. Really mellow power, but plenty of it there in case you need it. Plush suspension too. I hope that helps.
does the 350 have the wide ratio transmission or is that new for 2016?
Robert Kessler The 350 XC-W has the wide ratio tranny. All the W models do.
personally i think 2 strokes are the best thing man has ever created
+George Wellwood :)
Hi Kyle, I see you have a Scotts Steering Stabilizer on both bikes. Which are the biggest benefits you see in having a steering stabilizer while riding at very low speed in technical single trail?
I've been riding an 18 300XC-W and a 16 350XC-f back to back in various terrain, and conclusion #1, after 20+ years of racing and the last 15 years spent on a 450, I will probably NEVER buy another 450. They are great if you are in prime shape and spend countless hours riding and training to handle the power, but after you move past that period of your life and you can't ride/train like that, take some advice from us....stop buying 450's, you'll thank us for that decision, I wish I had given up the 450 a long time ago. The 350 I've really enjoyed in the sand dunes because it revs so high that you don't shift nearly as much. The FI is awesome for elevation. BUT, overall I'll take the 300 2-stroke every time because even compared to the light 350 it feels like a mountain bike in comparison. On paper the weight is within a few pounds, but under your butt the 300 feels completely different and the fun factor is 10x the 350. Loving the 300, it's fun factor is off the charts.
Are they both 6 speed boxes with same gearing?
+Stephan Karolyi Both 6 speeds, but not the exact same gearing the XC-F has a higher 1st and 2nd gear.
Where is this?
The 300 XC-W is a awesome fun bike right out of the box, once you set the suspension up for your weight and riding ability it becomes a unbeatable trail weapon. I'm actually shocked the two stroke has more low end torque over the four stroke.
Can you do video on proper chain adjustment on the 2015 xc-w.were to take measurements from on swing arm. Tks
Hi, tks for the video, very interesting. I have two questions for you. I know that the 300 will lug really down low and that the 350 will stall, but lets say if we can keep both on the low usable part of the rev range ( maybe 2.500 rpm or so), which bike will have more torque?? Second question, in twister sections with a lot of braking and acceleration, do you have to switch gears more on the 300 due to the shorter rpm range?? Many tks!!!!
What is this trail? I live in utah
nice channel. I've had many bikes and currently on a KTM450 XCRW, I've yet to have a flame out and find it rides fantastic in those types of trails.
I'm going back to a 4T after owning a '16 300 XCW. The '17 350 XC-F will get a 13t counter sprocket and spring change before it ever sees dirt (also real hand guards, flex bars, skid plate, sparky, etc). Part of the change is vibration/hand issues. Had a '17 250 SX, and the vibration is better, but still worse than the 4t. Even with a Lectron carb, the 350 will have more fuel range. This isn't the 1st video I've seen where a 2t rider had stalling issues at 1st on a 4t.
You should list the year of the bikes when you post these videos so people looking for used bikes can go back and compare and not have to guess at the year for comparison
Do you factor in the maintenance periods & up keep of a 2 stroke vs a 4 stroke when deciding what would be the best bike
Justice bdone 2 stroke
Just curious if the 350 was a XCF-W how it would of faired???
L Mays I'm sure it would be been better on that trail if it was an XC-W.