South Korea: Doctors on strike face arrest if they do not return to work | BBC News
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2024
- South Korea's government is threatening to take legal action against thousands of striking junior doctors and revoke their medical licences if they do not return to work on Thursday.
Around three quarters of the country’s trainee doctors are protesting government plans to admit drastically more medical students to university each year, to increase the number of doctors in the system.
More doctors will not fix the structural issues within the healthcare system, that leave them overworked and underpaid, one doctor interviewed by the BBC says.
South Korea has one of the lowest doctor-to-patient ratios among developed countries, and with a rapidly aging population, the government is warning there will be an acute shortage within a decade.
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Isn’t this a human right violation ?
Human rights don't exist in Asian countries. At best it's a facade of human rights as long as you don't go against the gov't.
the status of human right improved so much.
but human right in korea is fragile against political manipulation and mass mobilization.
korea has 500 year beurocracy system. it is wonderfully good at ruling people.
Asian countries only have an appearance of human rights, but it's deep in their culture that they don't have human rights.
Obviously it is.
indeed
The madness that dominated Germany 100 years ago is now sweeping South Korea.
In the name of 'public interest', the basic rights of individuals are completely suppressed. Most people consider it natural for a minority to sacrifice for the majority. They believe that fundamental rights can be restricted to any extent for the public good.
@@sociolocomtsac in the country of birth rate below 0.7?
@sociolocomtsac of course population is quickly plunging too
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 의사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 약사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
Exactly
Actually it is not a strike. It is a resignation.
You mean vacation
residents submitted resignation because the future of doctors looks bleak, but SK government illegally forced residents to work back in hospital. it is neither a strike nor a vacation, they were just left for better future.
Nearly 10,000 doctors resign at the same time? that's called strike lol
@@Laim08that I would say is quite ambiguous because their contracts usually start in March and end in February, in line with the academic terms in Korean universities.
Besides, no new junior doctors signing up? What would you call that?
check how many doctors resign at the same time .. thats strike
In SK, the cost of endoscopy is only 40 dollors and the medical doctors do 20 endoscopy cases per day. OMG
Endoscopy is free for national health examinations every two years. The total cost of endoscopy is 40 dollars, which is 100% paid by the country
The matter is, Koreans still think that 40 dollar is still expensive and doctors should not make much money because many Koreans originally have from their past history that their neighbors should not make much money than themselves. That is Original Koreans!!!
No dout. Korea will go back to their 1950s in 20 years where they sould be.
They asked for it by themselves. Ugly people, ugly Korean.
@@Kevin-bt1rk True. There will be an exodus of well-qualitifed physicians from Korea very soon; best-of-the-best attendings are trying to flee.
Doctors are being scapegoated in South Korea.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 의사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
@@user-pv7fr3ns6q How can you say that all doctors are rapists???? You better mind your language. I know that you want to malign doctors, call them rapists etc like the majority of the population but you should limit yourself in Korean platforms. Otherwise hate speech is usually not tolerated
Democracy is failing in alarming rates. I keep seeing countries after countries changing into either dictatorship or autocrat.
True.
Oh Canada…..
S Korea’s first female President, Park Geun-hye, (2013-2017) was impeached, convicted, and removed from office for corruption.
Sounds more like that particular democracy needs an upgrade, meaning it never had certain rights you within your system are used to.
Chinese system is being forced on everyone these days .
Look at pensions in Rishits UK.
Maybe Korea is not a good place to live these days for young people especially smart groups
That's exactly why I had to move to the States.
Actually the opposite. Once I found a secure job, it was a no brainer leaving Canada. The problem about Korea is that jobs are very difficult to get. Despite my wage being lower than it was in Canada. I get to save a lot more because cost is much cheaper here. As well as reaping the benefit of residing in Seoul (Safety, affordable yet quality healthcare, healthier food, etc)
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 의사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 약사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
@@hoojungrhim8061yeah right. So have you given up your Korean citizenship? Most South Korean youngsters don’t have much affiliation with their own birth country and that is a fact.
Populism and democrocy are not the same things. The Korean people do not know that communism is the end of the populism they believe to be democracy.
Increasing the number of doctors in an aging society has nothing to do with communism.
Me when I have no idea what communism is
More doctors = communism? 😂
@@sociolocomtsac do you even understand his comments? clearly not. Use the guy upstairs. Don't just carry it around as an accessory
This the fallout of ultra-capitalism, not "communism". I don't think you know what that even is. The doctors are fighting others to earn more wages. This does not happen in a non-ultra capitalistic country. Doctors should be paid their due wages and not have to compete with other doctors or have to do more surgeries to survive. It incentives false medical aid, giving unnecessary prescriptions and unneeded surgeries to pad their wages.
The bbc should also cover how junior doctors in the UK have been striking for over a year now because theyre underpaid, overworked, abused by the healthcare system and have little training opportunities.
They did
its a different situations you are talking about. Korean doctors are paid well and does not want competition.
@@ivanteo1973 집단 사직 한 건 전공의들이고요, 전공의는 돈 많이 못 법니다.
@@user-nj9sw2xq9r전공의가 뭐 평생 전공의인가요? 4년 버티면 한달 수천 버는게 보장되는데?
@@user-ek5od4rl6k한달 수천을 어떻게 벌어요….
The worst thing is that Korean goverment is argueing that they can restrict each individual's right for liberty (liberal will or opinion) based on public's major opinion (to be honest, it is for a particular political party's benefit). This goverment has been using utilitarianism everytime when it needs to oppress a particular force (e.g. freight deliverer, institutional lecturer, and doctors). Unfortunately, most people living in Korea are not aware of the hidden risk of such concept (potentially threatening themselves, too) and joining to oppress doctors. The current threat to the liberalism is something that has never been shown in Korean history since the first getting away from the military dictatorial goverment in 1993
Most humans are selfish, they need doctors but don't give a damn about the struggles of doctors. How many of them have offered to form something to help doctors struggling? No one!!! It's marveling to me that ppl want to be cared for by a group of ppl who are struggling. Imagine being treated by a doctor who is hungry and broke, wondering about how to care for their kids at home. This is also happening in my country, due to the poor pay doctors and nurses are leaving. I don't blame them, an accountant is earning more than junior doctors!! Instead of the masses to put pressure on the government they fall for the government cheap tricks to blame the doctors.
They don't give a damn about the doctors and they say that it's the doctors duty to sacrifice for the masses. Soon when these rules will turn on them, they'll see that they r setting up themselves and their future generations too.
if docker keep their emergency room and argue againt goverment, public might support them. but they decide to use their irreplacibility as bargaining cheap. now? major public does not persist their cartel power. we should introduce more compeitition. it's like every guard in prison strike in same day while opening prison door. i hope you would not support them, right?
@@user-hf2gv3nt8iyou’re totally right
@@user-hf2gv3nt8i surprisingly emergency room is operating normally.
@@user-pt5up1fy6h시민이 바보냐 아니냐의 문제가 아니라 기본권에 대한 사회적 합의가 불안정하다는건데, 단순 바보취급 당한다고 해석하는거 보니 바보인 듯
It seems like there's no such thing as human rights in Korea, right?
Korean doctors are the most powerful cartel group. In Korea, they are a privileged class. As the number of doctors increases, there will be more competition and revenue will decrease. Doctors in Korea are fiercely opposed to this and are leaving hospitals, holding patients hostage, posing a threat to many patients. This is something British doctors would never do. Doctors in Korea are merchants, not doctors.
In terms of doctors per 10,000 people, the UK has 31.71, and South Korea has only 25.08.
Even if the number of medical school students is increased by 2,000, and the cumulative number of doctors increases by 20,000 in 10 years, the number will still be 28, which is much lower than in the current UK.
Currently, the UK also does not have a sufficient number of doctors, and the situation in Korea is very serious. Moreover, doctors in Korea are concentrated only in places where they can make a lot of money, such as plastic surgery and dermatology, in large cities, and there is a severe shortage of doctors in local areas, neurosurgery, orthopedics, and emergency rooms.
The average annual salary of a specialist in the UK is ₩52,530 - 82,400 ($66,343 - $104,068), while the average annual salary of a specialist in Korea is ₩236,900,000 ($177,360). Doctors in Korea earn much more than their counterparts in the UK. Doctors in the UK have similar salaries to other professions. Korean doctors receive salaries several times that of other professions, while persistently hindering the supply of doctors.
The Korean government must impose harsh punishment on this heinous group.
ㅋㅋ 지들끼리 댓글달고 추천하고 역겹네.
의새야 외국인 코스프레하지마라 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
The human rights of patients have deteriorated due to doctors' collective action.
Do not put propaganda-stic ideas on people overseas. You sir are sickening me.
Isn't Korea a country that values freedom?
We have ersatz democracy since the current president’s inauguration.
What a joke South Korea is outright Private Corporation aka Chaebol run Puppet Democracy.
The Politician run on the whim of Chaebol not the people.
If you want to write Dystopian Megacorp story then you should use South Korea as your main Inspiration.
Not any more
Originally, Korea was a democracy for show.
Socialism
They are not on strike. They resigned because they couldn't find any hope in medical system of South Korea.
자기 연봉에 대한 미래겠지
So why don't the doctors who are on strike now return their licenses to increase the number of doctors?
본질은 파업입니다.
Lol, it is not because, there's no hope, they are so greedy that they just want more wage. They are top class of the korean society. They have grown up hearing from their parents that if they become doctors, they can make a lot of money.
@@user-ts1xj4xj1p무슨말이야... 영어못하면 쓰질말고 계속 한국어로 댓달아
The government is building more big hospitals while saying the medical system in rural areas is falling.
댓글알바 외국 뉴스에서도 설치는거 존나 웃기네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@user-tg6ce9xw3e상식적으로 댓글알바가 영어로까지 이러겠냐;; 걍 외국 사람들이 보기에 잘못된게 보이니까 다들 이러는건데 정부한테 가스라이팅 심하게 당했나보네 정신차려
@@user-yk2ke7tp1x 외국인이 왜 닉넴은 한글을 쓰냐? 개웃기네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@user-tg6ce9xw3e 외국도알아야죠 이 말도 안되는 현상을ㅎㅎ 다른것도 번역기돌려서 읽어보세요ㅋㅋ
@@user-tg6ce9xw3eㅋㅋㅋ 영어로 말해라
Surprisingly, Korean doctors do not have the freedom to choose their jobs for the public good
And we pay our own tuition throughout the medical school, get loans to open my private clinic, get compensated very little from the government, work like dogs. And now my peers from medical school gave up this whole training process because they think there is no hope in the field of medicine. Now the government is escalating his whole issue by getting each of the physician's' license revoked, which they spent their prime years of life and quite a bit of money for.
My country is a third world since the current presidency.
Very glad that I moved, but I still have pity over the people who stayed.
@@hoojungrhim8061true.
Hey guys as you can see this comment below, it takes ONE TO TWO FREAKING HOURS to see a specialist.
Man. We all know that it takes a few MONTHS to see a specialist. This is how great South Korean medical system was. And only Koreans don’t know because they are so spoiled to acknowledge that a few hours waiting is SUCH A BLESSING.
This is such a joke. Whoever wrote the comment, please write it again everywhere. You are exactly proving my point.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 의사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
where did you move to@@hoojungrhim8061
So I'll briefly go over what's happening there. I went to medical school in South Korea and moved to the United States last year. Now I am currently on my residency here in the States. I declare no conflict of interest as of now.
Doctors there are not striking about just the number of medical students. Actually it is not an organized form of strike--young junior doctors are simply giving up the job as a physician. There are other legislations that will pass along with increasing the number of medical students and all of them points to the same direction: capitalization of medicine industry, just like the United States because it will fail soon enough due to doctors giving up working in the essential field. Right now we have universal healthcare plan and given the skyrocketing cost of healthcare as a whole society due to diminishing population and increasing elderly proportion, the government really needs to reform the field. And yet the govnerment has left it the way it is-not adjusting the compensation for doctors a long period of time. That led to doctors stop practicing within the vital fields like internal medicine, general surgery, OBGYN, and etc and rather do plastic surgery and dermatologic procedures. The president thinks increasing the number of doctors will *fix* this problem, but it won’t. Doctors keep on losing money, especially those in pediatrics because the government is NOT properly adjusting the compensation!!! I’ll just give you an example. If you are having a labor in an OBGYN clinic, the compensation for the whole thing would be less than $400. NO MATTER HOW MUCH BLOOD PRODUCT A PATIENT MAY GET. Also doctors in South Korea gets sued A LOT; recently two NICU neonatologists in South Korea got sued for killing four premature babies. After a long lawsuit they were found to have no guilt; contaminated intravenous fluids was what led to babies sepsis and cause of death. At the same time media was predominantly focused on the doctors accusation making us physicians more protective, and eventually leading to stop practicing in vital fields. Why would you choose to do medicine, if you can have more money and stability and quality time working as a dermatologist?? We get sued, and we may literally go to jail for the things that we cannot control.
The media is not being just. The news report that a gentleman in his 80s passed away because doctors weren’t there, is fake news. He was DNR/DNI. Palliative patient who declined to be resuscitated. The only reason doctors in Korea are making tantamount amount of income is because they work 80+ hours and can prescribe some medications that insurance does not cover which means government has yet to set a price for it. And now this government is banning ALL MEDICATIONS AND PROCEDURES outside of the universal healthcare plan which is crazy. THAT MEANS WOMEN CANNOT HAVE EPIDURALS ON THEIR LABOR. Epidurals were not covered by the government healthcare plan so OBGYN could gather some crumbs (still horrendously cheap by the way). It is well known that the compensation from the government is 60% of its actual cost so by seeing a lot of patients like a dog and doing some high quality procedures with a little margin were how doctors were able to make their ends meet. This is EXACTLY WHY DOCTORS ARE LEAVING THE RESIDENCY. It is the very first step to open up the capitalization of medical industry. South Koreans are used to cheap, fast, and good quality healthcare. They will NEVER be content with only what the government covers, so now the insurance companies stock prices are skyrocketing. Current president is threatening all the residents to come work, and that their licenses will be confiscated & sued by the government.
This last paragraph is the most important thing I want to highlight for understanding the current issue:
The current president is trying to cover up the following issue: his mother in law was in JAIL for Korean healthcare fraud/embezzlement (similar to medicare fraud) and he’s aggressively pursuing to persecute physicians by threatening to sue them. In 2023 an Emergency medicine resident, FIRST YEAR EMERGENCY MEDICINE R1, went to JAIL for missing aortic tear for chest pain. For missing a diagnosis, a resident who has literally just jumped into the field. You can only imagine how bad the condition is. I've talked to many colleagues in my program and apparently the idea that a "resident" being accused for greenhorn clinical judgement and being sent to a jail does not remotely come to their minds. South Korea has a very draconian condition to work as a physician and that led me to flee to another country.
And now the president Yoon is violating physician's basic human rights. The government is now forbidding male physicians from traveling abroad, and re-iterated its intention to strongly forbid providing resident physicians J1 visa for immigration. To see my country's absolutely stunning medical system, which we were proud of during the COVID-19 pandemic--I'm sure all of you guys are familiar with how we dealt with COVID at its worst moment-- plummet like a toilet paper swirling around the toilet before its demise is very depressing. All because of a dictator and the first lady, whose mother committed a government embezzlement/fraud.
Please keep an eye on this issue. I know the government will try EVERYTHING to cover up this issue and leak fake news (like a patient was declined in the ED and passed away, which is so cringy because every single attending providers are there in the hospital), as it has been doing within South Korean press.
To those who have distorted fantasy about my motherland, I would like to tell you that South Korea is not a democratic country my darling; it has been rather a semi-dictatorship state since the current president's inauguration. F**k this government. This is crap complete insanity.
Please spread the word about this dictatorship and oppression. Escape from Korea was a wise choice. 😢
@@user-xt6nj1rl2uFull support from the United States. I’m enjoying perks of being a physician. Great rapport, decent working condition, litigations being dealt with the hospital lawyers along with the malpractice insurances.
The savage I have seen throughout this government is just too much for me to even think about going back to my motherland at some point of time. And people as well. How are you going to see your patients, after all this demeaning comments about doctors being evil? And being criticized for looking after yourself and better quality life?
I don’t know, man. I really think physicians in South Korea deserve much more..
한국 의대생입니다. 감사하고 부럽습니다 선생님...주변을 보니 저를 포함한 많은 후배들이 곧 선생님의 길을 따라갈 것 같네요. 그조차도 못하게 법적으로 막으려는 정부의 꼴이란....한국 이제 신물이 납니다
You’re being ridiculous. The compensation of doctors is not solely decided by the government. The federation of doctors have some control over the allocation, but right now that is focused on beauty related fields. Doctors who work 4 days a week shooting lasers make way too much money. The compensation problem is an allocation problem, not a total amount problem. Plus even doctors in the essential fields don’t lose money, that is a complete exaggeration. Simple fact of the matter is, doctors don’t want to make less money than before, so they are retaliating by resigning. At the cost of the health and lives of patients.
의사의 숫자가 한정되어있으니 반복적인 파업을해도 의사를 이길수가없고 의사의 의지대로 정책이정해진다
Even though I m not agreeing with everything junior doctors argument points for this matter , government threatening them constantly isn’t the right way to solve problems either. S Korea is losing democracy under Yoon presidency.
No i don’n think so. Is S.Korea losing democracy? Junior doctor shouldn’t leave the hospital in any case. I think Government is doing its best to follow legal procedures. Many korean never support doctor strike. It’s not an issue of democracy.
@@user-vj7ry8im8lall the medical students combined number there is just over 3,000 and yet, without any long term plans like how to educate them, (educating doctors requires more than a desk and a pen) how to avoid chaos among private education sector and how to prevent students leaning to apply only medical schools instead other majors they want to study if this wasn’t happened, increasing numbers by 2,000 all at once without plan is just absurd. And yet, the incompetence government officials put all the blames to junior doctors. Never seen a government in Korea this much inefficient.
@@user-vj7ry8im8l It is true that doctors should serve their patients, but that should not be grounds for making doctors slaves. Now the Korean government is using patients to enslave doctors.
@@iand15 Oh? Then who will give a damn about the struggling doctors? Wanting help from someone who is struggling and miserable is like the blind leading the blind. If the doctors are broke and having troubles at home do u think they can give their best?
Yoon's shutting the opposition's mouth is already an act of communism. Wake up!!! @@user-vj7ry8im8l
The pediatrician was dragged from the scene with his mouth covered. People around the world should help the Korean doctor. Please stop that dictator. The police are going to each house of medical residents and delivering mandatory orders. The resident resigned, but it is said that his medical license will be revoked.
Hahahahaha. Didn't you guys want capitalism? There you go. It's just the beginning.
what a joke.
South Korea is in great danger.....
It is true that the President of Korea is a dictator, but the Korean Medical Association is a powerful cartel that even the dictator has difficulty dealing with.
The Korean Medical Association just doesn't want doctors to compete. All other occupations in Korea are competing, but Korean doctors are making a lot of money by minimizing the number. Korean doctors make more money than doctors in Europe, who are much wealthier than Korea.
They are medical merchants rather than doctors.
Had to read the title twice to make sure its not north korea.
Extreme populism equals socialism.
@@user-tl3nw7pn2k your brain equals dogsh1t.
What a hyperbole :) Everyone knows you are privileged. That’s why Koreans crave for being a doctor. With the same lucrative logic, Korean doctors avoid critical field like surgeons and ER doctors, but most of them rush to being “plastic surgeons” a.k.a. Gangnam aesthetic. You’ve never served on the Army as a private, that is another privileged. If you are in North Korea, you cannot even say anything against the government! More importantly, you guys, doctors, selectively claim for the freedom, only for your own property. If you are free to say something, the others are definitely free to say anything. Every single Korean is obligated to pay 1,000 dollars for health insurance, and this collectively huge financial support makes you guys super rich.
Easy access and low price in using Korean medical system, the truth is we, normal Korean pay for it every month.
Ironically the North Koreans treats their doctors better.
@@ucnguyenanh9414 Haha. What a bullshit.
wrong information, that must be in North korea.
Sadly this is south korea. Now citizens are saying that those junior doctors who resigned (after living like literal slaves working 80-100 hours a week or more) are devils and terrorists for leaving their jobs and not sacrificing. I can't believe this is happening in my own country
No. It is happening in south korea
Unbelievable...
Before jumping to criticize the Korean government, it's crucial to grasp the context. Over the past three decades, medical organizations in Korea have adamantly opposed any increase in doctor numbers, often resorting to strikes to thwart attempts at expanding medical school admissions. Consequently, this stance has led to a shortage of medical professionals, exacerbating various issues, including instances of criminal behavior, such as sexual offenses, among some doctors who have been granted leniency. Despite advancements, cases of patients experiencing adverse outcomes due to substandard surgeries and misdiagnoses still persist. However, in legal battles concerning medical malpractice, the scales have consistently tipped in favor of doctors, leaving plaintiffs with only partial reimbursements for their medical expenses, even in successful lawsuits. Moreover, the ongoing shortage of doctors has created a situation where disciplinary actions against them are often unattainable.
Adding to the complexity is the significant wage gap, with doctors in Korea earning salaries seven times higher than the national average wage. This has led to a cultural phenomenon where Korean parents, from the moment their children turn five, start pushing them toward rigorous academic paths, with the ultimate goal of securing admission to medical school. Consequently, aspiring doctors in Korea find themselves immersed in a rigorous educational regimen, heavily focused on mastering Korean, English, mathematics, and science subjects from a very young age.
In light of these circumstances, many aspiring doctors in Korea feel that a salary seven times higher than the national average is not only justifiable but essential, driven by a deeply ingrained compensation mindset. For some, the prospect of immigrating to more economically lucrative destinations, such as the United States, becomes a viable consideration if their demands are not met domestically. It's important to note that these sentiments are not solely driven by a passion for medicine but also by a desire for personal prosperity, as evidenced by collective strikes organized by medical professionals. Consequently, it's understandable why the general public may not readily sympathize with their grievances.
no its south korea it is happening
The Korean medical system is collapsing and the residents who felt disillusioned submitted their resignations. But the government issued various orders such as ‘work start order’, ‘resignation acceptance ban order’, ‘collective action ban order’, ‘strike ban order’ and threatened to punish them if they did not start work.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 의사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
Then what's your opinion about the behavior of Korean physicians threatening the innocent patients, saying that you may be dying unless the government abolishes the legislation????
How about the physician blaming extensively and repeatedly for nurses, pharmedic and korean doctors(refers to those who majored in Korean medicine(kind of an oriental medicine, not quite different with medicine))????
They were blaming for the group since their CSAT(Korean College entrance exam) score were lower than that of the "NOBLE" physician??
You, the Korean doctors, are too noble not to be compared with them???😂😂
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patient to suffer and die even though Korea has one of the lowest OECD doctor to patient ratio
They went to strike because gov decided to increase number of students who get admitted to medical school.
Those doctors would be welcome in my favourite town.
those doctors won't go to your town 😂
don't even dream about it you mug😂😂
These "doctors" want to stay in Korea to live an ultra privileged lifestyle.
Where is ur town?
@@yeonjin553 no one wants such psychotic cruel doctors lol
It is not a strike. It is their resignation.
They abandoned patients close to death all of sudden with collective actions in the name of resignation and freedom to choose their jobs. This is not an individual resignation but a strike. Korean doctors, shame on you. When you have time to play with writing comments here, do your job not playing with words.
@@gregorypeck4771 The emergent surgeries continue to be performed by attending physicians who remain at the hospital. Benign elective surgeries are being postponed. However, the government's reaction only blames doctors for not meeting their obligations.
@@gregorypeck4771 It is not a strike. They resigned individually. Let’s see where this goes. What you’ve been reaping the benefit of low cost, high quality medical service by the sacrifice of young residents are gone forever.
If they have resigned as you said, they shouldn't protest against the government either.
@@JasonShin-ig6zk You are right. Residents, they’ve never protested the government. They’ve just resigned and it’s done. What else can we say?
They're not striking, they resigned.
지들이 의사자격 없다는걸 알고 스스로 직업 포기함 다시는 돌아오지마라
lol this comment section has got the whole thing wrong. These doctors have been threatening to resign due to a new bill which suggests increasing the number of med school freshmans by 2000, which is something that has been happening globally due to developed countries becoming aging societies.
FYI the UK has a similar population to Korea but takes 8000 new med school students each year, and are planning to increase it to 15000. Germany is planning to increase theirs by 5000. The same is going on in France, Italy, Canada, Australia, and more, yet Korea only has 3058, which is a number that has been FIXED FOR 18 YEARS.
These 'doctors' are being selfish, blatantly disregarding the Hippocrates Oath simply because they don't want more competition and want to get paid the bag loads of money they were promised since high school. There are already alleged reports of fetuses ending up stillborn due to the neglect from these businessmen who value their monopoly more than human lives. Truly disgusting.
Fully agreed. Foreigners can’t understand the whole issue with just this one video.
i don't want an upset doctor opening me for surgery
You need a neuro examination sir.
That's the point every korean people don't realize
@@AssraasI think that ship has sailed when the doctors canceled surgeries on critically ill patients and ER service for their political agenda.
exactly!
Another huge problem is that these hospital corporations fill almost a half of its doctors with residents (aka free labor). No hospital should get in trouble when TRAINEES don’t come to work.
What about human right for the patients who desperately need treatment from those doctors striking? Those doctors care of their status and income but not much for the patients.
@@supermanbatmommydrs should not be paid for their service then?
Doctors should be paid but they shouldnt be allowed to collectively strike and fuck the system up if there is an increase in slots for medical school
not free labor. 그들 연봉은 5천만원이 넘는다
@@supermanbatmommyYou should ask government. They are the one you pay tax to take care of you
Why not do a story about how crap the NHS is?
NHS is crap until you go and live in other countries and pay the fat medical bills.
S.K is trying to follow NHS 😂😂
NHS is the role model for this new shit.
They are doctors with extremist ideology. Their placards contained far-right propaganda.
99 percent of the medical facilities are managed as Private & for-profit hospitals in South Korea, and their system has peculiar structures in which the person in charge of affairs hires professional doctors and opens facilities under a doctor's name. However, it can handle massive deficits because the Korean Government controls all medical fees.
The Government official announced that "Doctors do not have a right as a worker - doctors are only public goods (Government did not pay for the tuition), so they are not allowed to resign from his or her workplace". Also this situation is not actually about the "protest". Government announced that they are going to make doctors make less money with other policies; they have promised that doctors will earn less money in the future. These junior doctors are resigning from his or her workplace, because now he or she does not have any reason to sustain from hard works. Junior doctors sustained low wage and hard work for future profit, now Government promised that there will be no reward in the future. Also threatening resigned people to go back to the workplace. I think this is the problem.
Korean doctors are not public goods. They pay for their tuition, get a loan from bank to open private clinic. But the price for medical service is under control of government and it's below the actual cost.
Korean doctors are the most powerful cartel group. In Korea, they are a privileged class. As the number of doctors increases, there will be more competition and revenue will decrease. Doctors in Korea are fiercely opposed to this and are leaving hospitals, holding patients hostage, posing a threat to many patients. This is something British doctors would never do. Doctors in Korea are merchants, not doctors.
In terms of doctors per 10,000 people, the UK has 31.71, and South Korea has only 25.08.
Even if the number of medical school students is increased by 2,000, and the cumulative number of doctors increases by 20,000 in 10 years, the number will still be 28, which is much lower than in the current UK.
Currently, the UK also does not have a sufficient number of doctors, and the situation in Korea is very serious. Moreover, doctors in Korea are concentrated only in places where they can make a lot of money, such as plastic surgery and dermatology, in large cities, and there is a severe shortage of doctors in local areas, neurosurgery, orthopedics, and emergency rooms.
The average annual salary of a specialist in the UK is ₩52,530 - 82,400 ($66,343 - $104,068), while the average annual salary of a specialist in Korea is ₩236,900,000 ($177,360). Doctors in Korea earn much more than their counterparts in the UK. Doctors in the UK have similar salaries to other professions. Korean doctors receive salaries several times that of other professions, while persistently hindering the supply of doctors.
The Korean government must impose harsh punishment on this heinous group.
many major hospital director argue againt it actually. med school tuition can't never cover cost that generate good doctor. in economic sense, government pay most of tuition but not the name of tuition
@@user-hf2gv3nt8i 한국의 의새집단은 아이큐 두자리들만 모여있는건가? 니 주장대로라면 인문계 대학은 모두 공짜로 해야겠네. ㅋㅋㅋ 한국의 의대 등록금은 세계적으로 보면 졸라 싼 편이다. 돈 욕심만 디룩디룩한 머저리 집단. 벌레수준. ㅋㅋㅋ 전공의새 모아놓고 에프킬라 뿌렸으면. ㅋㅋㅋ
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
I wish major international broadcast medias treat this political issue as much as possible.I bet the more this issue is noticed internationally, the more the current Korean goverment feel pressure cause oppressing doctors is clearly conflicting against individual's liberty and legitimate right.
Forced labour.
Correct.
Korean medical association is corrupt as they have restricted the number of entrance for decades in order to improve their incomes, which caused the collapse of local medical care. As the government tried to increase the number of meical school entrollemnt, they revolted. The number of physicians per 1000 is 2.6 in South Korea, which is quite lower than other OECD: Austria (7.04)/USA (6.56)/Germany (6.40)/Denmark (5.14)/Belgium (4.09) It has been revealed that the income of Korean doctors is up to seven times higher than the average wage of all workers.
yea that Korean dude above just want to see doctors make same money as cleaners they want socialism
Which job isn’t?
1. The per capita gdp in Korea is $33,000, but the annual salary of the practitioner is $303,000.
2. The per capita gdp in the United States is $83,000, but the annual salary of the practitioner is $374,000.
3. The above salary does not include rebates received from pharmaceutical companies and pharmacists.
4. Korea has a population of 51 million and a medical school quota of 3,000.
5. The UK has a population of 67 million and a medical school quota of 8,600.
6. Germany has a population of 83 million and a medical school quota of 15,000.
7. At the time of the division of physicians and pharmacists in the past, Korea reduced the number of medical schools by 351 and has been frozen for 30 years.
8. The average waiting time for a large Korean hospital is one hour and the average treatment time is three minutes.
9. Even in the push for the increase of 400 medical students in 2020, doctors went on strike and some died or became vegetative.
10. Thank you for reading the long text.
sadly, more doctors wont necessarily mean a decrease on medical care price, most of the healthcare in SK revolves around health insurance and are very monopolized.
In SK you can see many fields that are overflowed with workers but do not tend to get cheaper, reducing workers pays and work condition (by increasing the number of workers) wont make a significant impact on the final price if their pay is a small part of the overall cost.
As an example, medical are already overworked and underpaid in SK and yet treatments are still not accessible enough.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 의사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
Oh those poor doctors getting paid 300% the average worker 😂. This strike is only because the govt wants to create more doctors but current doctors are elitists and want to inflate demand
@@marktorryo7206그냥 돈 잘버는게 불만이었구나?
It isn't about price, but availability.
The training doctors are overworked and underpaid, but as soon as they finish, they are not underpaid.
Bro this is not the US. The concern is not about the price. Healthcare is already cheap in South Korea. It's not the same for profit scheme as the US. The issue is about the "shortage" and the practitioners complaining about being overworked with low pay.
The cost of baby labor is only 500dollars in korea
It is cheaper than giving birth to a puppy. Unbelievable.
Cost of human hospital is always cheaper than animal hospital. People visit clinic with a complaint of mosquito-bite (to ER), common cold. Many people go doctor shopping dissipating national Health Insurance finances. Instead of limiting insignificant hospital visit (they want to get a vote from as many people in the election of political party), they just exploit the doctors.
And the government takes 7% of my salary to pay for someone's health care
@@Sober_macallan That's just how the system works in Korea. If you don't like it, why don't you just go to America or something. No one's stopping ya.
@@jess7142 Are you telling me to leave my country, leaving behind my job, my family, and my language because of this shitty medical policy? It's so easy to say. Even the 7% that the government takes is not enough for doctors. Thanks to this, doctors in Korea earn three times as much as lawyers. This is more than a doctor in the United States, where GDP per capita is twice that of Korea. A government policy was announced to fix this, but doctors are opposed. If what you say is true, there will only be doctors left in Korea 😂😂😂
When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.
Nicely said!
How selfish doctors are in South Korea! Koreans have tried to increase the number of doctors over 30 years. Whenever people ask for more doctors, doctors show their privileges, powers, and egos by leaving hospitals and letting people die. Doctors are injustice.
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patient to suffer and die even though Korea has one of the lowest OECD doctor to patient ratio
0:54 Korean doctors are not just concerned about increased competition or reduced income; they're worried about the total collapse of the Korean healthcare system. The government's priority should be addressing the fundamental issues within the healthcare system, especially in vital field such as internal medicine, general surgery, OBGYN, etc, rather than merely increasing the number of doctors.
Hypocrites. They threatened with going on a strike last year when the government wanted to protect nurses.
1. 정부가 간호사를 보호하려 한 적 없고
2. 간호사들의 요구안 중 하나였던 인력충원에 대해 전공의들은 지지를 보냈으며
3. 간호사들이 파업으로 얻으려고 했던 것은 국민들을 상대로 장사가 가능하도록 자영업자 면허였음.
즉, 의사없이 단독 의료행위를 하게 해달라는 요구.
이에 임상병리사, 물리치료사, 방사선기사 등 병원 내 다른 직군들도 반대하고 나섰던 것임
만약 이게 됐으면 한국 의료는 직군별로 조각조각 찢겨나가서 다 민영화됐을 것.
4. 정부가 그것만 빼고 들어주겠다고 했으나 자영업자 면허 안 준다고 회의장 박차고 나간 건 간호사들임.
Korean medical association is corrupt as they have restricted the number of entrance for decades in order to improve their incomes, which caused the collapse of local medical care. As the government tried to increase the number of meical school entrollemnt, they revolted. The number of physicians per 1000 is 2.6 in South Korea, which is quite lower than other OECD: Austria (7.04)/USA (6.56)/Germany (6.40)/Denmark (5.14)/Belgium (4.09) It has been revealed that the income of Korean doctors is up to seven times higher than the average wage of all workers.
@@marktorryo7206 Funny bullshit. It takes less than an hour to see a professional doctor in Korea. There are enough doctors already.
How could you come up with a conclusion that has a different medical policy and patients' medical care usage? Lame.@@marktorryo7206
They’ll force them to work for free from prison
I agree, we should view the phenomenon as a Prison break!
The bigger problem is that Koreans themselves consider it natural for doctors to serve without sleeping but to make a lot of money a sin
Well… i don’t think we consider it natural… Doctors should take some rest, which can increase the medical system quality. But to do this, we might have to increase doctors..?
We are increasing numbers of doctors to relieve them from suffer. But they reject it.
@@Robin-rc9ro LOL.
The overall medical cost is fixed. Current policy is to reduce an individual's share by increasing the number of doctors, while increasing criminal and civil liability.
Now forced labor, later ..??
My only reaction to this comment is wow. You don't know shit about the korean medical system. Just educate urself or keep ur mouth shut. @@Robin-rc9ro
i mean they decide it when they choose to go med school, right? they generally make 200k more than normal worker, so they choose to going that route.
The cost of healthcare in Korea is very low, less than one-third of the OECD average. However, Korea's medical service level is among the best in the world. Accessibility to medical care is top of the world, Korean can meet all kinds of medical specialist on same day and receive surgery from them within days. Koreans' medical use is more than three times the OECD average.
Korean doctors work three times more than OECD doctors. They treat at least 60 to 120 outpatients a day.
Korean doctors are the most powerful cartel group. In Korea, they are a privileged class. As the number of doctors increases, there will be more competition and revenue will decrease. Doctors in Korea are fiercely opposed to this and are leaving hospitals, holding patients hostage, posing a threat to many patients. This is something British doctors would never do. Doctors in Korea are merchants, not doctors.
In terms of doctors per 10,000 people, the UK has 31.71, and South Korea has only 25.08.
Even if the number of medical school students is increased by 2,000, and the cumulative number of doctors increases by 20,000 in 10 years, the number will still be 28, which is much lower than in the current UK.
Currently, the UK also does not have a sufficient number of doctors, and the situation in Korea is very serious. Moreover, doctors in Korea are concentrated only in places where they can make a lot of money, such as plastic surgery and dermatology, in large cities, and there is a severe shortage of doctors in local areas, neurosurgery, orthopedics, and emergency rooms.
The average annual salary of a specialist in the UK is ₩52,530 - 82,400 ($66,343 - $104,068), while the average annual salary of a specialist in Korea is ₩236,900,000 ($177,360). Doctors in Korea earn much more than their counterparts in the UK. Doctors in the UK have similar salaries to other professions. Korean doctors receive salaries several times that of other professions, while persistently hindering the supply of doctors.
The Korean government must impose harsh punishment on this heinous group.
This person is copying and pasting government propaganda.
This person's other comment :
Korean doctors, who earn a whopping 70% more money than doctors in the UK, have been artificially blocking demand for doctors in order to make more money. At the same time, they are heinously pretending to be weak. Korean doctors are exploiters.
Doctors in Korea are artificially blocking the supply. This is something only communists do. Liberal democracy should not place artificial restrictions on supply and demand.
This shows that the ONLY reason this person wants is decrease in doctors' income.
This person is a COMMY @@piggy2023-sk3lq
Like Germany in the past, far-right ideology and propaganda are sweeping South Korea.
There was opposition from numerous interest groups and extreme right-wingers until Korea's health security developed to this level. The credit goes to many activists.
@@piggy2023-sk3lq
Can I recommend somethings?
About NHS and World history(WW2).
Sacrificing the few for the many is not always right.
Doctors don't have human rights
that's right in korea. ,,,,,,,,,In Korea, doctors are public goods and not human beings
Do not be deceived by Korean doctors' words. They said only a part of story. Korean medical association is corrupt as they have restricted the number of entrance for decades in order to improve their incomes, which caused the collapse of local medical care. As the government tried to increase the number of meical school entrollemnt, they revolted. The number of physicians per 1000 is 2.6 in South Korea, which is quite lower than other OECD: Austria (7.04)/USA (6.56)/Germany (6.40)/Denmark (5.14)/Belgium (4.09) It has been revealed that the income of Korean doctors is up to seven times higher than the average wage of all workers.
Plagiarism!!!! you have misused the data and concluded horribly. Stupid kid.@@marktorryo7206
인권이 없으면 여기 앉아서 채팅치는 것도 못하게 막았겠죠. 지금까지 계속 사회적 합의랑 논의가 있었을텐데 그거는 눈귀 싹다 닫고 지금 정부가 역대급 강경책 들고 나오니까 인권타령? 재밌네요
What about human right for the patients who desperately need treatment from those doctors striking? Those doctors care of their status and income but not much for the patients.
most important factor to understand the issue is that the medical system in UK are run/owned by the government but in South Korea it is almost 100% privatized (only few public healthcare facilities present). Medical workers in EU would like to have more fellow workers into the fields since it will reduce their workloads but still no significant change in payments, but in South Korea, hospitals are own by individual doctors therefore increase in doctors would lead to lesser income in future. Either ways (EU&SK), increase in healthcare providers will lead to increased total medical budgets/wages in the nations.
Exactly
It's not like democracy. Maybe sanction?
more like North Korea
Korean medical association is corrupt as they have restricted the number of entrance for decades in order to improve their incomes, which caused the collapse of local medical care. As the government tried to increase the number of meical school entrollemnt, they revolted. The number of physicians per 1000 is 2.6 in South Korea, which is quite lower than other OECD: Austria (7.04)/USA (6.56)/Germany (6.40)/Denmark (5.14)/Belgium (4.09) It has been revealed that the income of Korean doctors is up to seven times higher than the average wage of all workers.
Plagiarism!!!! you have misused the data and concluded horribly. Stupid kid!! @@marktorryo7206
It's not because there's a shortage of labor, it's because hospitals can't hire enough people at low prices.
Selfish doctor 😂😂
Korean doctors are the most powerful cartel group. In Korea, they are a privileged class. As the number of doctors increases, there will be more competition and revenue will decrease. Doctors in Korea are fiercely opposed to this and are leaving hospitals, holding patients hostage, posing a threat to many patients. This is something British doctors would never do. Doctors in Korea are merchants, not doctors.
In terms of doctors per 10,000 people, the UK has 31.71, and South Korea has only 25.08.
Even if the number of medical school students is increased by 2,000, and the cumulative number of doctors increases by 20,000 in 10 years, the number will still be 28, which is much lower than in the current UK.
Currently, the UK also does not have a sufficient number of doctors, and the situation in Korea is very serious. Moreover, doctors in Korea are concentrated only in places where they can make a lot of money, such as plastic surgery and dermatology, in large cities, and there is a severe shortage of doctors in local areas, neurosurgery, orthopedics, and emergency rooms.
The average annual salary of a specialist in the UK is ₩52,530 - 82,400 ($66,343 - $104,068), while the average annual salary of a specialist in Korea is ₩236,900,000 ($177,360). Doctors in Korea earn much more than their counterparts in the UK. Doctors in the UK have similar salaries to other professions. Korean doctors receive salaries several times that of other professions, while persistently hindering the supply of doctors.
The Korean government must impose harsh punishment on this heinous group.
In Korea, Doctors get paid 5 to 6 times more than a normal worker by average, which is highest among all occupations in the country. Doesn't it mean that doctors demand too high earnings? hospitals do pay high enough to doctors, it's just resident doctors who get paid less for training reasons. they're fighting for their own interest, not the public interest.
@@Laim08 Because residents are students, no country pays residents high salaries. Korean residents are just greedy and ignorant.
How selfish... do not want competition, do want higher salary and the privilege that can stand against "rule by the law" BECAUSE I BORN SELECTED!!!
south korea = lucky version of north korea. the core are the same
You got me hahaha. As a Korean I can confirm its ture
니들 뭐하노? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
요한아 그런 작문으로 미국 못간다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
윗 두놈 개웃기네 ㅋㅋ ture은 또 뭐임?
@user-ry2jx6bi3o I can tell you are a complete ignoramus.
Korean doctors are oppressed by the Korean government.
We want freedom.
We want democracy.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 약사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
Didnt korean doctors threatened with going on a strike when the government wanted to give protection to nurses last year? Hypocrites 😂 Just accept you don't want more competition. Both the medical system and the doctors are trash. Its all about the money.
We want money.
Fxxk off if you still want to threat citizens with your skills and social advantages.
@@wylerXL so true so true
Wow! I thought they are talking about North Korea. South Korea should not engage in human rights violations.
they don't think doctors are human so they don't think it's human right violation 😂
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
Yeah you guys saw it right.
This is not about North Kore
What people don't understand here is the magnitude of this industry action. More than 9000 doctors resigning all at once on the same day?? It is disrupting public health and safety, which is punishable by the Constitutional law. The Korean public are not dumb. They are the ones who achieved democracy with their own hands, with their own blood. They know how important it is to secure individual freedom, human rights, and all those lofty democratic ideals, but this time the public is extremely angry at these doctors, for being absolutely immersed in their own glutinous self-interests, and not considering the dire needs of the patients that they vowed to care for. They absolutely abandoned thousands of patients in their care and think they can do whatever they want to with the government and its policies. People find this outrageous.
@@hanselchoae it is funny that 9000 young doctors out of 14000 are resigning because they do not think it worths to work 100hours a week in current government’s policy. The biggest hospitals were built on those young doctors minimum wage and long working hours. How funny that trainee doctors left and the hospital stops….
The 2nd vice administrator of health dep. actually said “we can restrict the basic rights of young doctors for public good”.
Doctors in Korea doesn’t have human rights. They can’t resgin, they can’t protest against gov, and they just have to shut up and work. Where is freedom and whese is democracy…
Long story short.
Can you even see this kind of protest happening in north korea?
Don't you think it shows it can be a proper comparsion?
They are technically still at a war. They love to work at the the beauty shop, plastic surgery and dermathology(with no speciality) the government wants to increase admission because they mostly choose to be in those two after a year of an intership ditching the residency. It's their dreamy world that they open the face shop but resign before getting fired simply refusing the policy from their greedy set for a long long time. If they get paid highest pay doing the same job as US laser technicials, they need more doctors or foreign doctors. Now they want to work in the US working at the beauty shops. They don't understand basic moral and human body. Just want to take the zero risk as doctors with maximum pay with respect when they have no respect to patients. Americans have the right to protect the border.
Why even bring up the DPRK, everything about this screams capitalism which is very on character for the RoK with the Chaebol controlling the whole nation.
Doctors in Korea are very professional and steadfast enough to ease and relieve patients. I feel pretty much well cared of ankle fracture from them during my visit to SK. They are not deserved to be under paid and work insanely long hours. Publics in SK seem to be on the side of government like.. brainwashed!
if someone in sk argue doctors are underpaid, i dont know whos brainwashed
They make a lot of money after the internship or resident time. Underpaid? They never officially complained about that until this drive for the quota increase. Cuz they knew they would enjoy the cartel’s benefit after the harsh training time.
Medical jambery
can they see IVE later?
CORRECT
And BTS.
All this idiots dont know anything~
Fact check: Korean doctors receive the highest salaries in the world.
1. The per capita gdp in Korea is $33,000, but the annual salary of the practitioner is $303,000.
2. The per capita gdp in the United States is $83,000, but the annual salary of the practitioner is $374,000.
3. The above salary does not include rebates received from pharmaceutical companies and pharmacists.
4. Korea has a population of 51 million and a medical school quota of 3,000.
5. The UK has a population of 67 million and a medical school quota of 8,600.
6. Germany has a population of 83 million and a medical school quota of 15,000.
7. At the time of the division of physicians and pharmacists in the past, Korea reduced the number of medical schools by 351 and has been frozen for 30 years.
8. The average waiting time for a large Korean hospital is one hour and the average treatment time is three minutes.
9. Even in the push for the increase of 400 medical students in 2020, doctors went on strike and some died or became vegetative.
10. Thank you for reading the long text.
There are multiple other issues that aren't mentioned.
1. Current enrollees of medical school in SK is around 3000. President Yoon wants to Increase a whopping 2000 more set to be in effect the very next year. The shear increase in enrollment size can not be handled (as common sense would dictate) as there are no infrastructure set. But the govt is ignoring this glaring issue. Furthermore, the "2000" number itself has no scientific basis. The three studies that the government have based on, and concluded that 2000 additional doctors are needed, do not at all say that 2000 are needed, merely that in certain scenarios without counting for variables, shortage of doctors may present itself. All three authors of those studies have come out and publicly stated that 2000 students is too high of an increase.
2. Behind the increasing medical school enrollees to 2000, government has also issued a "care package for major departments, (like internal medicine, general surgery, pediatrics, etc), of which junior doctors will be required to do two years of internship BEFORE residency, and any doctors that desire to open their own local clinic (for which they pay for with their own money) requires a special permission from doctors that work in teaching hospitals every five years, essentially regulating local clinics. Basically, a whole lot of freedom is being taken away.
3. Publics perception is just a flat-out, "all doctors are greedy pigs, they're only doing this so they can keep being rich." Then why are junior doctors that work 88 hours a week and get paid basically minimum salary resigning? The public doesn't seem to either understand, or flat out ignore the glaring inaccuracies in the government's stance
4. Oh, and have I mentioned that there's general election coming up on April 13th? For the Korean equivalent of the house of representatives? This whole fiasco started around February 8th, two months before a major election. Seems like the perfect time to stir the public, pitch them common group that is in the minority and elite socioeconomic status as the enemy, plummet them, then gain public support and therefore votes.
Plz.. Save young doctor's of SK.
We are endangered.
The reason why medical residents are required to spend four years in hospitals to become specialists is that there are so numerous practitioners that the hospitals are running out of doctors and the citizens NEED the BIG hospitals that can handle rare diseases and complex operations. Then why there are so many practitioners? Why have doctors left the hospitals after two years of apprenticeship? BECAUSE the supply of doctors is so low that becoming practitioners makes them earn a bunch of money and the hospitals can't afford more money than that. This is a TOTAL DISCREPENCY between the supply and the demand. This relates to the reason why THE KOREAN DOCTORS' REMUNERATION ratio to the average wage in the country is THE HIGHEST in the world. In addition, the ratio of the number of doctors to the number of the nation is the LOWEST in the world. Don't you see the REAL reason? Money doesn't lie. Please also refer to the ratio of practitioners to the total doctors in South Korea compared to those in other countries.
No 3. Then why not share the payment on online?
Comparing to my country, teacher that work for government based on contract even being paid 6 times lower than minimum wage (50$ < 300$) each month though not all, but it happen. But they still do the work for their oath, and i didn't see this appreciation of "Oath" for this doctors?
If you want to rich (money) then dont became doctor, choose other that you didn't need to oath for prioriotize human being.
Little devils
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
Shortage of doctors in korea has been a major issue for decades in korea but whenever goverment tries to fix these issues doctors always made it impossible threatening gov with patients life. Doctors are most well paid and looked upon jobs in korea that is why they don't want to share these with more future doctors. 댓글란에 한국 의사님들 많이 보이는데 제발 히포크라테스 선서 기억해보시길
히포크라테스 무새 ㅉㅉ
너희들이 그렇게 좋아하는 히포크라테스를 만들어낸 세계의사회에서 한국정부가 인권침해를 하고 있다고 발표한 글은 못보는건가? 자기가 보고 깊은 것만 보는거임?
@@user-tu4vz1wk1c ? 히포크라테스가 누군지 모르는건가? 히포크라테스 선서의 원본은 고대 그리스때부터 이어져 오던거고 세계 의사회는 그걸 약간 개정했을 뿐인데?
@@h_y_o_s_u_n_g 그런 말씀을 직역 대표를 선출해서 해주시면 좋을텐데 그냥 병원을 떠나버리시니.... 저 같은 환자들은 어떡하나 싶어요.
Many medical leaders are arrested by the korean government.
PLEASE!
SAVE THE KOREAN DOCTORS.
Well, the president's wife should be arrested and investigated for bribe.
@@kkkaos833 AMEN
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
In SK, the cost of CPR is $110 per 15 minutes, one-twentieth of the cost in the United States
Thanks to the single-payer health insurance, not because of doctors who hold patients hostage.
The idea of a cost per minute for CPR is wild to me..
And doctors paid more than £100k per month(post-tax) SMH.
Thank you
The majority of doctors resigned from work is “Residents”. Where in the world people die from resident’s or junior doctors quit their job?
And there are no major harm done so far to the patients, so many fake news out there. Only elective surgeries and mild diseases are postponed, which is NORMAL in the rest of the world.
I personally worked more than 20 hours a day during my residency, still the works were not done back then. The reason? So many trivial things such as uploading surgical photos to hospital’s server are done by residents.
The university hospital is not an NGO. They need profit to keep things going. Any organization and installmant needs money to keep things going, unless run by government and citizen’s taxes. Yet, the medical treatment fee doesn’t meet the global standards, mostly 1/5 of Japan and perhaps 1/10 of the states. Thus, the hospital can’t afford specialists, and instead all the work has to be done by Junior doctors who are young, enthusiastic, and willing to overwork beyond human rights.
People, most of the SK citizens, misunderstand this resignation, protest as a fight for occupational profit matter. IT IS NOT. Most of junior doctors would agree with lower future income with better work life balance or work & life at least.
Government is giving shit loads of crap announcements to make junior doctors to come back to work for more than 88-100 hrs per week. You know what? They won’t go back. Why? Cause this has just become about human rights and the future of SK’s democracy.
원래 무작정 의사는 이해가 안갔는데 이거 읽고 좀 이해가 간다.....
@@maroomaru1417 Yes, they actually want to transform the hospital system that more specialists can work rather than junior doctors.
The point is the system was broken ever since when it started back in the 70s. It kept going on using patriotism at that time.
I don’t know what age you are, or your ethnicity, but think of what you bought as a child and think of that same object’s current price.
Let’s say, people used to be able to eat good foods at price of 500 krw won back then in 70-80s, which is at least 8000 krw won at current price tag.
Health care? It’s still staying at the same 500 krw won price tag for FIFTY YEARS. Do you really think this is a system that could go on forever?
BUT I hope it could go on forever.
cuz I don’t want this nation to become like the states, where you have to pay $1,000 for an ambulance, around $10,000 for an appendectomy, and god knows how much the cancer surgeries would cost.
I never said increasing number of doctors is wrong. I don’t give a shit about the total numbers. But the reason behind that number is outrageously illogical, ignoring the problem of current healthcare system.
And while people started to protest against the policy, they were actually more focused on the inside details of the package, which is full of BS and there is no actual detail if you look into it closely.
While the goverenment was playing numbers and media, it started to act like a tyrant. People would love to argue, make conversations, and make plans together to remodel this system step by step, but NO, the government refused first.
The way they act against their own citizen (doctors are also citizens, mentioning just in case cause people keep ignoring it), is not what could be done in a nation who call them selves as a democratic nation. They talked and publically showed how they are going to treat doctors as a chess piece rather than a civilized citizen.
I seriously worry about the future of this nation, which I adore. I hope people see the real problem here. If the government CAN and is publically ALLOWED to act like now to any group of citizen, it could be in front of your door step next time before you even realize it.
아 외국인들 의견보려고했는데 거의다 한국인들이잖아. 한국인이면 표시를 좀 해라
님 입맛에 맞는 댓글이 안보이는것뿐아님?ㅋㅋㅋ
Is that North Korea?
Surprisingly, South one.
@@Dihenization Not surprising at all, this is capitalism at its best. South Korea is the beacon of capitalism with Chaebol's controlling the whole nation economy.
Hitler??
Kim Jeoung Un
Ur mom
Contrary to other countries, the Korean hospital heavily relies on junior doctors. In hospitals, about 40 to 50% of doctors are juniors, who are under paid and lacking opportunity of education for major treatments and surgeries. Our government wants to increase this rate up to 60 to 75%, which is insane.
The same is true in the UK! Junior doctors here have been striking here for a year now.
@@GreeGraa Here in SK, doctors cannot go on strike by law. So some of the junior doctors chose to resign. And now the Government threatens them to come back. And ordered the [Forced labor].
*JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE TRUTH*
YOU GUYS DECEIVING PEOPLE WHO WAITING FOR THE CURE AND LEFT
SECONDLY, GOVERNMENT DIDN'T MENTIONED THAT THEY WILL LOWERING THE MEDICAL COST
FOR THE LAST, YOU GUYS *LEFT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH THE HARDSHIPS AS A SACRIFICE.*
In fact, the government forced the junior doctors to choose this path. You should blame the government, not the doctors. I guess your blind.@@aweenn
@@kkkaos833The doctors force the governement to uphold the doctor cartel (limiting number of new doctors being made etc).
Are you sure it's south sounds like north
The North have a free health care system.
Thank you
Not all jobs are equally beneficial to society. Some jobs are irreplaceable.😘They are bullied by whole society.
Then don't study dr. I think the job not worthy, no one will study. That is karma
using their irreplacability as bargaining power is kinda dangourous , right?
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patient to wait and die
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
Many leaders of Medical association was arrested and their house was ransacked. They are not criminals, for god's sake. Now the government is sayung they are going to CANCEL doctor's liscence of these junior doctors and they'll make sure it is really hard to get it back. They are making the law at this moment!!! PLEASE save the doctors in South Korea for the sake of freedom!
Plz..
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
iff they arrest them theay also will not return to work
The reason for the shortage is low wage and long startup career. No one wants to go into it; video game players and streamers makes more money.
Once other countries open up pathways for S.K doctors to immigrate and work elsewhere, the South Korean government would beg for them to return and mandate Hospitals to set minimum wage requirements for the profession and industry.
Now the government is trying to shackle the doctors from moving abroad LOL
Not far from Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
I know, it is such a joke.
I was lucky to participate in a match 2023. I knew this was coming at some point of Yoon's presidency.
The government banned travel for male doctors
Thats literally the same everywhere, maybe except the US where a heart surgery would cost you a house.
I think it's early to state in that way.
because doctor still is the job which almost everyone wanna be in SK.
and it hadn't been shrinking but rather become more and more competitive
I'm not completely denying what's causing the shortage of it but what also needs to be considered is that the number of doctor has been almost completely controlled by the association of doctors.
Unlike the other countries where there had been some increment in the number if doctors,
SK's association of doctors has been completely stood against in even a single increase.
you may point out the that the population is going down in sk but the thing is that the number of people who needs medical help is increasing fast.
thus the number of doctor has been fixed for a decade, the number of patient has been increasing, and the number of less-critical but lucrative specialist(plastic surgery, skin care) has been increasing by gobbling up the proportion of critical specialist
I also think it's crucial for government to promise more financial support and implement structural re-design
But at the same time I think it was something that bound to be happen, because doctor's association was not showing themselves to the table for a decade for debate and agreement.
Koreans say doctors are greedy. Many Koreans perceive healthcare costs as expensive. For instance, seeking treatment from a pediatric specialist for otitis media can cost around $2. In cases involving infrared therapy, the expense can escalate to $8, leading to occasional frustration with medical costs.
And all of that goes to higher ups or the government 😂 not these trainee or juniors
The cost of endoscopy is only 40 dollors, a physician do 20 case per every working day( 6 days per week)
And all that money goes to the higher ups with the scraps left for junior doctors.
Korean medical association is corrupt as they have restricted the number of entrance for decades in order to improve their incomes, which caused the collapse of local medical care. As the government tried to increase the number of meical school entrollemnt, they revolted. The number of physicians per 1000 is 2.6 in South Korea, which is quite lower than other OECD: Austria (7.04)/USA (6.56)/Germany (6.40)/Denmark (5.14)/Belgium (4.09) It has been revealed that the income of Korean doctors is up to seven times higher than the average wage of all workers.
Plagiarism!!!! you have misused the data and concluded horribly. Stupid kid@@marktorryo7206
How democracy in Korea collapse..
Come to Australia you easily get PR if you have medical degree.
I appreciate this piece of information. I'm infuriated for my friends who are practicing in South Korea. Well qualified, the smartest ones. I'll hand over this information :)
Another reason Korea should educate more doctors :)
@@sociolocomtsac I think I'm regurgitating my point every three seconds;
The main issue here is not about the number of doctors. It's about the human rights violation of a specific group of people :)
Move out
@@ckyap6847 I gladly did move out from the ersatz democratic country in 2023. Highly recommend.
Greedy Doctors 🧑⚕️ 😂
so doctors don't want more doctors because doctors afraid there will be surplud of doctors they won't make enough money but people want more doctors because there aren't enough doctors in korea so people want to produce more doctor by increasing medical students FOR THE PEOPLE
@@user-uq9jt3fm7k the bottom line is IF PEOPLE WANT MORE DOCTORS IN KOREA THERE WILL BE MORE DOCTORS. it's not up to doctors but up to people. doctors don't like more doctors in korea then they should find non-medical profession somewhere else like flipping burgers
They are not on strike. They resigned. The government say resignation is not allowed.
They cannot terminate the contract! And can they miss work? How can you force someone to do a job they don't want to do well? Are they threatening to fire them?
Because in South Korea healthcare is a right
@@jumboshrimps4498 But residents are not slaves. They have the right to decide whether they are interested in a contract renewal or not. And can change profession or emigrate (or are they prohibited from emigrating as in the time of the Berlin Wall)?
@@claudiodavid2626 agree. Which is why healthcare can't be a right.
Having been exempted from regular military service (which is mandatory in Korea) and then disclaiming their duty in exchange as doctor is a crime don't you think??
What the Korean government wants to do is 1. Increase the production of internal medicine, general surgery, obstetrics and gynecology, and pediatricians through increasing the number of medical certificates. - By taking advantage of the trickle-down effect. 2. The four departments mentioned in Korea want to be avoided by every doctors due to their low compensation system and risk of litigation. However, Korea's top medical doctors have worked at that departments with a sense of mission. 3. Korea's large general hospitals treat their residents like slaves. It is not the hospital's fault. Management is possible only by reducing labor costs due to the low compensation system for medical practices. The government is working to produce more slaves by increasing the number of medical students. 4. Korea, as every country knows, is a country with good enough access to healthcare. 5. The lowest birth rate in the world does not require additional doctors. 6. Korea must further develop its IT and engineering fields.
The low birth rate doesn't need more pediatricians or gynecologists, but do require more surgeons and internal medicine doctors, because it also means it is an aging society and old people are the ones who get more sick.
I agree, but there are already so many doctors. Whereas, scientists & technicains are decreasing in Korea.
Agreed! Thanks for explaining so well
The most rapidly aging demographics in the world will require more medical professionals.
it and engineerring fields are approaching to its end after AI revolution, which is now taking over many of IT staff’s jobs
Ironic how everybody looks at it from a western perspective, applying western standards. As a Korean, all I can say is that this strike will never end in the doctors' favor. If any protests want to win against the government, it requires support of the mass. The doctor's strike, surprisingly, has less support than the support for government. A protest with dwindling numbers for support is destined to fail.
Also the government is threatening in a harsh manner due to increasing medical risks caused by the strike. One good example among many is patients having their cancer surgeries postponed due to lack of medical staff on sight. When workers go into strike, no life is at risk. When doctors do, they take their patients as hostage. And generally, people don't sympathize with those who take others as hostage.
We need to solve this problem in the right way, the best way, the peaceful way, the democratic way.
The current presidency is doing a terrible job at doing this.
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
There is a mixed opinion whether it can be considered as a strike or not. However, it is not important whether it is a resignation or strike. The point is that the goverment does not care of restricting liberty of a particular force based on majority's opinion. The hidden trap is that the goverment has power to generate a dominant public opinion using massmedia. This is definately the phenomenan of utilitarianism conflicting against liberalism and gives an evidence on dictatorial goverment.
Currently, it's mixture of propaganda, populism, and fascism.
Young Korean doctors work 88 hours a week for barely more than minimum wage. They're overworked not because they're understaffed, but because the price of medical care is set too low by the government. Large hospitals can't hire enough staff, and doctors in life-saving specialties face exorbitant compensation and jail time when things go wrong. This is why they are shunned, and why the president, in the run-up to the election, announced a policy that, instead of correcting this imbalance, he would simply increase medical school enrollment to make it easier and cheaper to hire doctors.
That's why they're resisting.
So at the end, they decided to resist with lives of patients right?
@@aweenn The government is using the fact that it will be difficult for doctors to leave the bedside as a weakness to force through ridiculous policies. Young doctors are protesting for the future of everyone. The current healthcare system is already overly reliant on and indebted to young doctors who are barely apprentices to the point of being abnormal. Before we condemn and demonize them without acknowledging their sacrifices, maybe we should consider why they had to make this choice.
All these comments are from Korean doctors who left their patients to wait and die
Cant believe bbc picked this headline instead of "SK doctors against increasing med school quota despite national medical crisis to keep their previleges"
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Seems rather they should first go to the streets for getting more rights to protest without having to fear any bad ramifications. A little democratic upgrade so to speak, may go a long way. The point being, why would anyone try to protect and defend a system that is treating oneself badly. The question also therefor needs to be asked, who is profitting from a system where the masses are kept in check like this. Some industrial magnats and their families, a ruling class always providing the next candidates for elections? In comparison to even worse systems the system may seem good enough, but who on earth would compare himself our his own system to worse system to feel better about himself and his country instead of comparing, if only in subsets, to nations that are better at certain aspects and therefor try to get their standard there.
To foreigners:
Hi, Im student and a student president of SOUTH Korea’s medical school, and Im searching for any kind of chance or help that can be given to us medical students of Korea. I beg your pardon of my poor English skill, honestly Im not good writer or speaker of this language but Im writing this comment here since Korea’s press is under control of government… Not only us medical students, but also some of engineering students or doctors are getting threatened by government, and I can provide informations or pictures about whats going on in Korea, which really would be something beyond imagination. Idk where or to whom should I report this, plz if anyone can give me some help, i will really appreciate it.
I’m South Korean, and simply increasing the number of med school students really isn’t the best way for better medical services. The reason why it seems like there’s a lack of medical service is because there’s a strong preference of working for departments that pay a lot such as plastic surgery or urology. Future doctors who seek for acknowledgement and higher wages will surely struggle since there’s more competition.
But the way they handle the government’s decision is definitely self destructive. There are already several cases of people passing out due to the lack of emergency room doctors. The doctors shouldn’t have handled the government decision so aggressively. Right now the people are waiting for the medical association and the government to start a ‘peaceful’ conversation and come to a conclusion. The problem is we don’t know when that will be;;
She said this at 1:20.
Not North Korea, but South Korea lol
북조선에서 니들처럼 하면 총살이다 ㅋㅋ
This means end of democracy.
More doctors = end of democracy? 😂😂
Democracy for whom? It's an illusion
Taking away freedom of speech!!! Shutting an individual mouth is purely a communist act.
You have an understanding issue. @@sociolocomtsac
Medical jambery.
이런나라도 없을거다.
최고연봉 기득권들의 집단시위
한국 의사들 환자들 내방치고 안되는 영어로 열심히 답글 달고 계시네요. 아마 BBC에 제보도 직접 하셨나봐요.
역시 배운 분들이라 다르네요.
자기발등에 도끼찍는 것은 모르셨나봐요.
Korean doctors are working so hard commenting on TH-cam. Probably, they reported BBC directly. There you go, well-educated people.
But, you did not expect it’s shooting yourself on the foot.
내방치고? 내치고?
어휴 저들이 의사든 아니든 이나라는 의학붕괴되서 망했습니다
@@JinnYoungKim 견지망월. 나라 망한다는말 아무나 짓걸리는 말 누가 못하니.
@@thomassimon3772 고사성어 가르쳐주셔 고맙. 내가 괜히 망했다고함?
의대쏠림에다가 의사들도 걍 배째라는 식으로 사직한다고 총칼안든 내전 벌이는 나라가 정상임?
@@JinnYoungKim 비정상적인 현상은 맞지. 그렇다면 비난만 말고 본인이 한 번 힘을 내서 바꿔보세요.
@@thomassimon3772 저도 그러고 싶었습니다. 헌데 공부도 재능이다라는걸 못 받아들이는 워마드 일베같은 다수의 한국인들이 존재하는한 바꾸기는 불가능이겠네요.
차라리 미국에 편입합시딘
Korean doctors see between 100 and 200 patients a day. The low cost of care makes it possible for doctors to survive only if they see patients quickly with a three-minute consultation.
To doctors who treat them like this, Koreans call them money bugs, saying they do not know how grateful they are and earn a lot of money.
Korea is going crazy as a group.
Thanks to Korean doctors, I'm grateful for cheap medical treatment, but I hope their working environment will improve
No, just the ones who forgot their hippocratic oath. More doctors/NPs/PAs shouldn't be a problem if the workload is too great. Most doctors aren't surgeons, so there is no reason NP/PAs can't do the work.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 약사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
Are u saying that the doctors should put up with unreasonable oppression just to follow the Hippocratic Oath? How selfish!
Hi, just making sure you know that there is no such thing as NP/PA because these are illegal in South Korea.
South Korea doesn't have these programs unlike the U.S. These post-bach programs require 2-3yrs of additional studies. @@sociolocomtsac
i have never seen anyone who does not admire doctor. i mean, in korea, everyone want to work at big company like samsung, sk and they are heavily valued as marriage candidate. doctor? they are tiers above them. from when doctor become overworked and underpaid? they are overworked, for sure, but they are compensated enough. evidence? i heard no stride in a month ago.
Wow, sums up the situation very well.
Good report on BBC.
where is human rights?
Where are the patient's human rights? Doctors are letting patients die without proper care. This is so irresponsible.
Hahah
Everybody should know why this strike started in the first place(most of the most-liked replies here seem to be posted by the doctors on strike, so, please, screen out or filter appropriately for your better understanding before you judge it).
It was not about the minimum wage and long-hour work at the outset. It was provoked by the Government’s drive to increase the admission quotas to the med schools to foster more medical doctors as Korea needs more doctors to meet the increasing medical service needs for the aging population(Korea is one of the most fast-aging countries in the world, unfortunately).
The quotas for the med schools have been frozen for the past 30 years by the furious objection and sabotage by the existing doctors as they want to enjoy their superior powers through the limited competition to their line of work.
With the lack of enough number of doctors(existing doctors also get older to retire consequently) and the limited entry quotas for the past 30 decades, Korea has been suffering from the lack of medical service in the rural area. In the meantime, the existing doctors get into the skincare or plastic surgery market to make the most of it in profit
rather than stay in the essential med field such as ER.
Whenever every administration in the past tried to increase the quotas, the group of the doctors sabotaged the Government’s drive by threatening the Gov’t with the desperate patients at risk.
That’s why most of Korean people do not resonate with this purpose of the strike and criticize the doctors’ collective actions for their own selfish interest, not for the public healthcare itself.
Facing the strong oppose by the public, the doctors started blaming the Gov’t for the low salary for the long-hour work and the human rights out of nowhere.
Before this new drive started, they were silent even not a word out (because they supposed they could make it up with big money later when they finish the harsh time of training as interns and residents.
See? Why most of Koreans say this strike is just for the turf war for protecting their privileges, not a holy protest against to the human rights, freedom of the job seeking, or better public healthcare system as the doctors allegedly insist.
Lol this dude completely forgot to mention that South Korea’s birth rate is currently “the lowest” in the world. Nearly everyone in the world knows that, and you all know Korea’s population is decreasing in full speed. Also, by the OECD statistics the government so adores, the difference of doctor’s number between city and rural area is smaller than the average. In fact, as a medical student residing in a rural area, I see patients going to Seoul’s big hospitals for the smallest things, even though our area does have enough medical staffs to cure them. Because they just prefer the doctors in Seoul lmao. And you tell us to stay in rural areas? SHUT UP plz. Anyways, you must be one of the government officials to have put so much effort on commenting in English. Or perhaps one of the ‘댓글알바’s they have employed. 수고가 많아요~😂
It was a tactical sabotage to stop the medical system by the group-resignation nation-wide. All of the residents and interns stopped coming to work simultaneously and the med school students stopped coming to class to show their objection to Gov’t drive for the admission quota increase. Is it really fair and can be called the freedom of human rights??
@@pjulie.8552 haha I am not one of the Gov’t officials. You only pointed out the birth rate shock?
The urgent needs for the increased quotas can be adjusted later after meeting the current demand first. It is already too late to increase quotas for the past decades. Why do you doctors(especially the trainees) say the contradiction? Complaining about the long-hour work but vetoing the more workforce to reduce your work time?
Doctors’ group resignation simultaneously nation-wide cannot be viewed as individuals right to quit their job or something. They do this on purpose as a group action in order to fail the Gov’t’s drive, deserting the desperate patients in need. Risking their patients’ life is maddening the Korean public and people started thinking the doctors are no longer public service providers who used to be honored and respected, but just businessmen who seek the most profits in their medical business.
Koreans lost their respect for the doctors through this miserable and ruthless desertion of their sick patients and no more hope of honorable men’s return to their patients.
In the ER, a lot of urgent patients are waiting for them to come back to save one more life. But doctors in Korea(especially the trainees(interns and residents). In the meanwhile, who can explain why the med school students stopped coming to class to show their objection?
There is no good excuse for their leave; such as long-hour work and low wage as they are still students.
The whole of this group action is from the med school student to the professional doctors; they are all together one big cartel which has been sanctioned and protected by the license system in terms of their job market front.
Any other objection?
@@pjulie.8552 ㅋㅋ 댓글알바면 누가 돈을 줘야하는데? 네들 의사들이 이기적 집단 행동으로 환자들 버리고 자기 주장 관철하려 환자 볼모로 삼고선
국민 여론 안 좋으니
외국 기사에서 댓글 조작이나 하고 앉아 있어서 진실을 말해주고자 졸린데 연휴에 쓰고 있다.
댓글 알바니 정부 직원이니 하며 여론 모르쇠 한다고 진실이 가려지냐?
환자 볼모로 파업한 순간 국민들 마음은 네들을 떠났다. 의새, 돈벌이에 환장한 놈이란 타이틀만 따라 다닐 뿐.
In Korea, doctors are not guaranteed the right to collective action. It shows what life is like in a country where constitutional rights are not guaranteed.
That's because it makes ordinary people dangerous, doesn't it? Not only doctors, it's same for police officers or fire fighters too
@@sch6546 our rulers have old traditions of more than 500 years deal with people.
make one or a group evil that you want to eliminate.
then jealous born k people will attack the one or the group.
easy people to manipulate.
@@sch6546 the government takes advantage of that very thing to block doctors from having a voice.
The rights of public officials must also be respected. Moreover, Korean doctors are just civilians.
양주빈들의 문제점.
1. 이새끼들은 테러리스트임. 지금 정부는 테러와의 전쟁을 하고 있는것이고 올바른 법적 집행을 하고 있음.
2. 이새끼들은 주 88시간 개드립 치고 있어서 의사수 늘릴려고 하는데 반대함. 왜냐 지들 밥그릇 개털리는걸 보고싶지 않기 때문이다.
3. 이새끼들은 주 88시간하고 박봉이라고 1,000만원 미만이라고 내려치기 존나게 하는데, 아주 조작이 없으면 일상을 못하는 새끼들이라 그런지 북한 빨갱이 새끼들 마냥 조작질함. 니들이 스노우볼 굴린 소아과도 월 2,000이상 찍힌다는걸 보고나서 이 새끼들은 노동 강도에 비해 매우 충분히 급여를 받고 있다라고 생각하게 되었음.
4. 이새끼들은 누가 보면 시위 전에 신의 대리자 마냥 신성한 의업을 한다고 생각했는지, 뭔 히포크라테스 같은 말 같지도 않은 선서질을 했음. 근데 웃긴점은 애초에 이새끼들은 힘들고 고된 직종은 선택하지 않는 레이저싸게들이라 그런지 필수 의료과목에 지원률이 개차반이었음. 그래서 지금 얘네들 없어도 딱히 의료시스템에 막히는 부분이 없음.
5. 이새끼들의 가장 큰 문제점은 파업을 한 것 보다도 파업을 대가리 백지새끼들 마냥 생각없이 했다는 것이 문제임. 모든 파업 중 자신의 노동을 멈추는 행위는 마지막에 마지막까리 미뤄야 하는 법인데 이새끼들은 도대체 뭔 깡다구인지 저짓거리를 초장에 해버림 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래서 민심도 좆박아버렸음.
6. 이새끼들은 이제와서 여기 BBC 와서 우는 소리 하는데, 반대로 프랑스가 연금개혁할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 영국이 브렉시트 할때 우리나라 눈치보고 했냐?? 그리고 우리가 프랑스 연금개혁 할때 하지 말라고 했냐? 아니면 영국 브렉시트 할때 우리가 하지 말라고 했냐??
나라 망신 시키지 말고 개소리를 하더라도 우리나라 뉴스 댓글창에서 해라 이 개빡대가리 애미 애미 마리오네트 같은 대치동 뺑뺑이 새끼들아
7. 이새끼들은 뭔 헌법의 직업선택의 자유 이 한 문장만 외우고 정부와 국민들에게 개소리를 했는데, 반대로 우리나라 헌법은 의료인의 의업에 대한 부분도 헌법에 명시한 국가임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
8. 이새끼들은 수술실에 CCTV 설치하는 것도 싫다고 하는 몇 안되는 병신집단 중 하나임. 이새끼들은 여 환자 수면마취하고 성폭행 하는 집단들이라 그런거 같음.
9. 이새끼들은 병원을 개원할때 약사를 갈취하는 집단임. 명목은 자기 병원 인테리어비를 의사보고 내라고 하는거임 ㅋㅋㅋ 정말 터무니 없는 집단임.
10. 이새끼들은 그냥 생각이 없음.
세계의사회(WMA)는 전례 없는 정부 주도의 위기에 직면하여 대한의사협회(KMA)의 정체성과 의사들의 권리를 수호하겠다는 의지를 재확인합니다. 명확한 근거 없이 시행된 정부의 일방적인 의대 입학 정원 대폭 확대 결정으로 의료계가 혼란에 빠졌습니다.
It is now officially confirmed that South Korea is just economically developed North Korea.
Sad but true
Not by a long shot. No one gets shot trying to enter or leave the country, listening to music or movies from other countries is okay, religious freedom exists, many other differences. Not perfect by a long shot, but different from the North in substantial ways.
Cannot argue.
Well, same DNA.
@@sjplus36 South Korean doctors who resigned are not allowed to leave the country and people are saying they should ban them from getting jobs abroad. Some even threatening to murder Korean doctors. so how is this any better than NK?
Sadly true. They are very aggressive toward others. Same with how racist koreans are.
What people don't understand here is the magnitude of this industry action. More than 9000 doctors resigning all at once on the same day?? It is disrupting public health and safety, which is punishable by the Constitutional law. The Korean public are not dumb. They are the ones who achieved democracy with their own hands, with their own blood. They know how important it is to secure individual freedom, human rights, and all those lofty democratic ideals, but this time the public is extremely angry at these doctors, for being absolutely immersed in their own glutinous self-interests, and not considering the dire needs of the patients that they vowed to care for. They absolutely abandoned thousands of patients in their care and think they can do whatever they want to with the government and its policies. People find this outrageous.
They have the right to find this outrageous. But they have the right to resign. They are not slaves. A worker must agree with working conditions.
9천명이 동시에 나왔다 쳐도 의사수가 14만명정도이니 90%이상은 근무중인건데요. 보건의료노동자 파업할 때는 90%가까이가 파업했는데 정부에서 이러진 않았어요.
왜 영어 댓글인데 눌러보면 다 한국인이냐..
걍 전부 한국인임 ㅋ
영어 댓글 한 절반은 영국인 맞음. 철자나 표현이 한국에서 안 가르치는 영국식임.
20 surgeon in 3000 med student every year in whole country ? Something is damn wrong right now. Short of docs definately short of surgeon. . Most of all we need to change health care system
In korea, normal wage for people is 2k per month, and doctors wage is about 20k per month.
It’s your fault and results of your responsibility for being unskilled unessential worker. How about look into your past and reflect on it huh? Lmao
@@user-cz2il8wb5r이따위로 대하는데 누가 의사를 지지하겠어 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 빨리 미국으로 꺼져라 좀
I'm an ordinary citizen in Korea. The government of Korea is pushing ahead with the policy on the medical system hastily. Maybe it is a card for the following election. The junior doctors are being used as scapegoats by the gvm.
They are NOT on strike. The doctors refuse to reassign the contract . They resigned and packed their bags out of hospital. Becauwe they find no hope in Korean medical system. And also it's very obvious that Korean government is violating the human right of the doctors.
South gone north. Such a surprise. Welcome to the 21c slavery
Every parts of south korean society, economy, political systems are collapsing at alarming rate. Its destrucrion is well-hidden by some of korean big-tech corporations. Except them, almost nothing is working. Fertility rate and medical failure, pension system's melting down are just parts of whole systemic failure.
Yep. very alarming to invest in SK industry.
Help us, please. The South Korean government has mandated that residents and interns who have voluntarily resigned return to their positions. Furthermore, the police have been deployed to apprehend Head of medical organizations, including the incumbent president of the Pediatrics Association.
oh~my god
😢
Anyone who is siding against these doctors in support of what the government is doing are not okay. This tactic is not right.
@@TT-ee1vv Government does right as they tactically did the group resignation nation-wide to threaten the Gov’t, leaving the patients and accordingly delaying or cancelling the surgeries such as urgent calls or severe cancer operations.
위에 세놈 다 한국인인데 걍 한글로 대화하자.
help us please. we need more doctors in korea and current doctors don't want any competition so that they are keeping our lives as hostages to keep their fortune.
In Korea, doctors have grown into an enormously powerful group, an interest group with wealth and power. What the government is currently trying to do is to further expand medical services to the general public. Suppressing the freedom of doctors is not an appropriate word for the current Korean society. This is because doctors' authority has already grown too much. This is the position of an ordinary citizen currently living in Seoul, Korea.
Way too underpaid and overworked