Glad you enjoyed it! We're going to have him talk through a lot of other things regarding how to choose equipment, setting up a cafe or a stand, etc.... so stay tuned :) - Kat
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I did these calculations before buying a domestic machine. And even when I'm sinking $40/kg into local roasted coffee, I'm doing OK buying a Rocket R58 that pays itself off after less than a year. Hell, buying a cheap espresso machine for use at work paid itself off after about 3 weeks. I didn't factor in the plastic/paper cups though. ;-) But seriously, there's issues with the calculations from a business point of view, and some of those could be used to up-sell. Labour costs surely go down per drink on the machines with labour saving systems like self tamping and volumetric presets etc. Which would be worth-while in high volume cafes. The numbers probably aren't quite as "buy buy buy!" when you factor in labour, but it's something to watch for. Labour may actually be the most expensive single thing in most espresso drinks. Lights, rent, etc can be excluded due to it not varying by machine. And there's a good chance the power use variation (not the total, but variation by machine choice) would be negligible. But unlike other people commenting on the issues, I can see the purpose of the video, because I've done exactly that. The shot sizes are skewed, the milk amounts are skewed, but the technique is right. And yeah, you can't factor in labour without knowing the purchaser's labour costs, and whether those are already sunk. But it's a good intro into justifying a machine.
This varies widely, depending on the machine chosen and volume; as well as market. For example, if you're working in an error that is milk drink heavy, you're going to be rebuilding your steam wand and assembly significantly more often than somewhere that is catering to a largely espresso-only market. But we'll get into care and maintenance later :) - Kat
I think this varies by cafe - drinks styles, etc. So when you're looking at this for your business, you need to plug in the numbers that make sense for your region and the style of drinks you're making. - Kat
It really depends on your volume and how much rebuild you want to do. A lot of manufacturers estimate replacement within several years -- if you're making a couple hundred drinks per hour, you're going to be rebuilding elements quite often and then, at a certain point, it's more expensive to do that than to replace. Longevity in this market is highly dependent upon business volume - Kat
We explicitly state that this is gross profit only and that we can't talk about your net profit. We actually say we can't tell you about labor ... so, no, we didn't forget. This is about gross not net, as we explain in the video. - Kat
Your can affect your dose by your grind and your tamp. 14g is the standard for a double shot (7g for single) but how much you dose will depend on your grinder, what kind of coffee you're using, etc. - Kat
Nope, this video's focus was not on either of these -- grinder is a totally different story and we have no idea how much electricity costs folks. That was part of our comment on 'overhead' - Kat
i used Nuova Simonelli Oscar and i cant make a double shot espresso using 14gr of coffee, that basket had to fill up to 20gr of coffee.how about you Kat and Gail?any help or advice?thank you
Wonderful I took Managerial Accounting last semester, I'm going to estimate costs based on my country. It does really help to visualize the cost, also to persuade an investor.
$9/lb? I wish... more like $15/12oz. On more of a related note, I'd be interested in a video on choosing a (non-super-auto) machine for office use. Especially if that video's conclusion is that no office should have anything other than a GS/3 and a doserless Mazzer Mini.
Here's the thing, I am considering to start a coffee bar that mainly sells nitro brew and cold brew from other venders in cans or bottles and the only thing I will be making is pure espresso, not any fancy coffee house drink like Starbucks. I don't know what machine to get to do just that.
Lol... I'm an accounting major and this guy must of taken a cost accounting and capital budget class, very good breakdown I would buy a piece of equipment from this guy.fantastic explanation
hey can you guys tell me what machine to buy am opening my first store and also pizza stop with a little bit of coffee and tea. o want the 1000 Dollar machine can you recommend one for me ?
Hello! All the way from Kathmandu, Nepal! I'm taking a Barista training to open coffee shop in this coming winter and I really appreciate how you'd calculated the costs and the profits and it gave me more of idea what it really means to open coffee shop... Thanks for the video...
Everyone's different! I personally love a caramel latte, which is espresso, caramel syrup or sauce and steamed milk, but others prefer a straight shot of espresso or a cup of black coffee. ;-) - Sarah
that depends on the country ;) café au lait is french term basically speaking about a cup of coffee with some milk added - while not specifying that the coffee should be an espresso and the milk should be frothed, nothing like that, just a white coffee, it's quite popular breakfast drink in France. So, everyone up to his own taste ;)
I am very confused with the numbers starting with the 14g per dbl espresso because 2 oz(wich is the exact amount for a dbl shot espresso) is 56.7g please help me and correct me if I miss something
this is sooo interesting... why don't you just throw out the imperial measures, it's just confusing :D obviously you have no problems with metrical system, with basic units of SI - speaking of "grams" which you master very well :)
The information is so misleading! How could you pull a shot with 1:4 ratio And you can’t frost milk to double its amount. The texture will be horrible!.
I'm opening a coffee bar and doing some research. I am confused by the math: Say a pound of coffee is $10.00. If a shot is 7 grams of dry ground coffee that means you can get 64.8 shots to the pound. (453.59237g which is 1 pound, divided by 7 = 64.8), that's .15 cents per shot. Yet I was told by someone at a major rostery that you can get 23 shots per pound, which is .43 cents per shot. Can you clarify? Thank you!!
My initial thought is that some cafes use double shots in their drinks meaning you can get 23 drinks instead of 60+. I don't know of any cafes that brew single shots. - Steven
+David Evans I know this is a year old but typically a shot is 20 grams of coffee, at least for the home user. 20 grams is where that number came from.
Glad you enjoyed it! We're going to have him talk through a lot of other things regarding how to choose equipment, setting up a cafe or a stand, etc.... so stay tuned :) - Kat
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I did these calculations before buying a domestic machine. And even when I'm sinking $40/kg into local roasted coffee, I'm doing OK buying a Rocket R58 that pays itself off after less than a year. Hell, buying a cheap espresso machine for use at work paid itself off after about 3 weeks. I didn't factor in the plastic/paper cups though. ;-)
But seriously, there's issues with the calculations from a business point of view, and some of those could be used to up-sell. Labour costs surely go down per drink on the machines with labour saving systems like self tamping and volumetric presets etc. Which would be worth-while in high volume cafes. The numbers probably aren't quite as "buy buy buy!" when you factor in labour, but it's something to watch for. Labour may actually be the most expensive single thing in most espresso drinks.
Lights, rent, etc can be excluded due to it not varying by machine. And there's a good chance the power use variation (not the total, but variation by machine choice) would be negligible.
But unlike other people commenting on the issues, I can see the purpose of the video, because I've done exactly that. The shot sizes are skewed, the milk amounts are skewed, but the technique is right. And yeah, you can't factor in labour without knowing the purchaser's labour costs, and whether those are already sunk. But it's a good intro into justifying a machine.
This varies widely, depending on the machine chosen and volume; as well as market. For example, if you're working in an error that is milk drink heavy, you're going to be rebuilding your steam wand and assembly significantly more often than somewhere that is catering to a largely espresso-only market. But we'll get into care and maintenance later :) - Kat
I think this varies by cafe - drinks styles, etc. So when you're looking at this for your business, you need to plug in the numbers that make sense for your region and the style of drinks you're making. - Kat
It really depends on your volume and how much rebuild you want to do. A lot of manufacturers estimate replacement within several years -- if you're making a couple hundred drinks per hour, you're going to be rebuilding elements quite often and then, at a certain point, it's more expensive to do that than to replace. Longevity in this market is highly dependent upon business volume - Kat
We explicitly state that this is gross profit only and that we can't talk about your net profit. We actually say we can't tell you about labor ... so, no, we didn't forget. This is about gross not net, as we explain in the video. - Kat
So basically the point is dont be afraid to invest at least a 1000 dollars or more in a machine its going to come back.
I’d love to see an updated version of this video.
It's a pipe dream of mine to open a Cafe, would love to see more video's like this!
What machine would you recommend for a beginner barista looking to start a coffee bike cart with a budget of 1-2 thousand (just for the machine)?
Your can affect your dose by your grind and your tamp. 14g is the standard for a double shot (7g for single) but how much you dose will depend on your grinder, what kind of coffee you're using, etc. - Kat
That is wholesale pricing, yes, not retail pricing. I'll put your video request on the to-do list! - Kat
Nope, this video's focus was not on either of these -- grinder is a totally different story and we have no idea how much electricity costs folks. That was part of our comment on 'overhead' - Kat
i used Nuova Simonelli Oscar and i cant make a double shot espresso using 14gr of coffee, that basket had to fill up to 20gr of coffee.how about you Kat and Gail?any help or advice?thank you
Really good video, thanks to much
This is very perspective, thank you.
You're fantastic. This was instructive.
aww shucks! thanks I will tell BK, Kat and the Crew ~ sam
They're in the works! :) - Kat
We're working on 'em :) - Kat
You should have added the grinder and the costs for the electric power.
Interesting topic, wouldn't mind some more on this
very informative Video , thank you very much :-)
Excellent video! 🔥🔥
What an amazing video!
Wonderful
I took Managerial Accounting last semester, I'm going to estimate costs based on my country.
It does really help to visualize the cost, also to persuade an investor.
$9/lb? I wish... more like $15/12oz. On more of a related note, I'd be interested in a video on choosing a (non-super-auto) machine for office use. Especially if that video's conclusion is that no office should have anything other than a GS/3 and a doserless Mazzer Mini.
This was so helpful, thank you 😊
This video is 8years ago jaja the cost change jaja ...
Cat (meow!!), you are such a genius person...
Here's the thing, I am considering to start a coffee bar that mainly sells nitro brew and cold brew from other venders in cans or bottles and the only thing I will be making is pure espresso, not any fancy coffee house drink like Starbucks. I don't know what machine to get to do just that.
Very nice and informative video. Thanks
Lol... I'm an accounting major and this guy must of taken a cost accounting and capital budget class, very good breakdown I would buy a piece of equipment from this guy.fantastic explanation
Probably should include costs to maintain the machine(s), which can be estimated fairly easily.
hey can you guys tell me what machine to buy am opening my first store and also pizza stop with a little bit of coffee and tea. o want the 1000 Dollar machine can you recommend one for me ?
Hahah :) - Kat
Great! thank you
Mark Le You are very welcome!
Hello! All the way from Kathmandu, Nepal! I'm taking a Barista training to open coffee shop in this coming winter and I really appreciate how you'd calculated the costs and the profits and it gave me more of idea what it really means to open coffee shop... Thanks for the video...
Tenzing Hyolmo You are welcome! Good luck!
Wow this was made 8 years ago and the milk still the same price ! Wow
I thought a Latte was steamed milk, as thats what you get if you ask for it in Italy.
I'm looking at Espresso only, so fed up with the foofoo drinks.
Everyone's different! I personally love a caramel latte, which is espresso, caramel syrup or sauce and steamed milk, but others prefer a straight shot of espresso or a cup of black coffee. ;-) - Sarah
Sounds more like a Café au lait
that depends on the country ;) café au lait is french term basically speaking about a cup of coffee with some milk added - while not specifying that the coffee should be an espresso and the milk should be frothed, nothing like that, just a white coffee, it's quite popular breakfast drink in France. So, everyone up to his own taste ;)
Stretching the milk by 100% would result in the consistency of shaving cream no? I thought it was common knowledge to go about 25-33%
I am very confused with the numbers starting with the 14g per dbl espresso because 2 oz(wich is the exact amount for a dbl shot espresso) is 56.7g please help me and correct me if I miss something
14g is the amount of dry coffee you have in your portafilter. 2oz is the amount of liquid you should extract for a double shot.
Seattle Coffee Gear thank you! you right
this is sooo interesting... why don't you just throw out the imperial measures, it's just confusing :D obviously you have no problems with metrical system, with basic units of SI - speaking of "grams" which you master very well :)
In reality, don't most Barista's use 18-22g for a double shot?
How many cups of coffee could make in a normal day?
anyone know a link to where i can check out espresso machines over $1000?
Right here: www.seattlecoffeegear.com/cafe/shop/espresso-machines
Indeed as latte simply means milk, so as long as the caffe latte has espresso and milk it is a caffe latte, traditionally speaking :p
The information is so misleading! How could you pull a shot with 1:4 ratio
And you can’t frost milk to double its amount. The texture will be horrible!.
If you stretch the milk to double the volume it's no longer a latte and would result in Gail-esque latteart....sorry Gail, love ya!!
Forgot to include Labor, which even near min wage will change those numbers up considerably
Not true at all :) - Kat
Disener choclet botal
dang it, I'm still a student and i want open my own cafe so badly
Then do it.
I'm opening a coffee bar and doing some research. I am confused by the math:
Say a pound of coffee is $10.00.
If a shot is 7 grams of dry ground coffee that means you can get 64.8 shots to the pound. (453.59237g which is 1 pound, divided by 7 = 64.8), that's .15 cents per shot.
Yet I was told by someone at a major rostery that you can get 23 shots per pound, which is .43 cents per shot.
Can you clarify?
Thank you!!
My initial thought is that some cafes use double shots in their drinks meaning you can get 23 drinks instead of 60+. I don't know of any cafes that brew single shots. - Steven
+David Evans I know this is a year old but typically a shot is 20 grams of coffee, at least for the home user. 20 grams is where that number came from.
I draw 18 gram double shots.
Math is hard:)
I have 20k coffee setup at home, enjoying good coffee every single day. Good investment, I think 💰☕️😉
wow, that woman's laughter is so irritating