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I love your work man your videos are informative and entertaining. I don't even have enough money to support myself right now but when I will get a job after my studies I'll contribute some money to the gta community to the modders u included. I really really wanna thank you for making sky gfx and 2dfx config videos, those videos helped me a lot. Thank you!!!! 🙏🙂
@@TJGMbro, I'm not gonna lie, it's been so long since then, I mean, after 2023 and 2024, Rockstar Games are not touching GTA mods anymore, I don't know why, but I guess we gotta wait until GTA 6 goes out, but if things will continue, I'm afraid I'm gonna quit GTA games forever, and the bros who speak spanish just like me will do too, so, it's only a matter of time before GTA games won't be here forever, dude, damn 😢😢😢 I'm greeting from Colombia, bro
@@rogoznicafc9672 16:16 it was a 65% completed save file for the *Original* IV that replaced Niko with Johnny from TLAD. Imagine being the adult that randomly gets a cease and desist for a save file you uploaded decades ago. One that probably doesn't even get much traffic anyway since model swap mods and trainers already do this more efficiently.
@@NikoBellic-pv6gfYou don't think the changes at Rockstar games im recent years have nothing to do with Take2. Take2 is Rockstar's parent company for a reason.
Amen. And that's why i decided to mod the hell out of my 3 original gta's instead of buying the DE. and also fuck GTA V and VI in the future. No more money for Cockstar and greed2. I'm done.
Thank you for adding Rockstar to the video title. People always blame T2 and not realize that R* is equally responsible for the decisions. R* let the GTA DE launch disaster happen while 2K made Mafia 1 remake, both R* and 2K are owned by T2. Directly from Wikipedia: "Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. is an American video game holding company based in New York City founded by Ryan Brant in September 1993. The company owns three major publishing labels, Rockstar Games, Zynga and 2K, which operate internal game development studios." T2 is responsible for many bad decisions, but R* is not innocent either.
R* is the biggest, most profitable studio under their banner. If R* told T2 to chill out with the takedowns, they'd probably do it simply because Rockstar is that influential.
@@danin900 you never seem to have worked for someone who pays you. do you think game sells go to rockstar and then the profit is split between them? hahahaha if take two says jump. rockstar will jump
@@whoisprize Yeah, sure. R* glazers are pathetic. These are both huge corporations with huge profit margins. T2 relies far more on R* than the other way around. If R* decide not to listen, they get a lawsuit for breach of contract, sure. But if R* threatened to leave? Do you think T2 would just be okay with losing their biggest cashcow? No.
@@whoisprize No they don't. Rockstar's bosses are the shareholders. If R* cared enough, they could have talked about the terrible P.R. and how those decisions would lower the price of the stocks. They didn't. T2 is a holding and distribution company, the "bosses" are the shareholders, not the company itself. If you think R*, being the biggest, most influential and profitable of the group, has no say in decisions that _directly_ affect their bottom line, you're the one who's never had a corporate job.
This has been an issue since Rockstar removed the Hot Coffee Mod of GTA San Andreas and blamed the PC gaming community for them including cut adult content in their game files. They threw us under the bus, when they should have simply said that it was already an adult game and the content was already cut. Ever since then, PC has always come last in their eyes. 15 Years for Red Dead Redemption PC for god sakes. It's because of this it got me politically active and I am with the Pirate Party. Digital Rights are absolutely a political issue and we need to fight these scummy companies who take their fans/most loyal customers for a ride.
GTA Underground may have been killed by R* and Take Two, but from it's ashes rose Stars and Stripes, a mod that has an even bigger promise, with many former UG developers joining it's development.
@@jorge69696 UG lead was European guy, Stars and Stripes is from South America, one thing we know is that no one cares about piracy there, so yes 80% Stars and Stripes might be immune from DMCA lmao
FiveM wasn't the only time Rockstar showed support to modders, and that's what makes their antiquated approach so hurtful. Back in the early days of the Rockstar Newswire, mods were posted and praised constantly by R*. IV:SA was posted, a type of mod that would get a DMCA immediately nowadays. Their new approach feels like betrayal, and it's stupidly old fashioned. Companies like CDPR and Bethesda don't send you copyright notices, they send you fucking job offers.
The Newswire post that has always stuck out to me is the one that showcased the GTA 1 map in GTA IV mod. If this were post-2013 Rockstar, you just know they'd have gotten Take-Two to send their legal goons to the creator's home for "threatening" their IP.
They even paid tribute to a Filipino GTA content creator called Fernando "Yeardley Diamond" Agapito who made a lot of viral GTA machinima videos in the early 2010s before his untimely passing. I doubt they'd care as much about him these days.
They took down all those mods, because they knew fully well that the Definitive Edition was shit. They just wanted to eliminate the competition, eliminate any kind of threat to any profit they'd make off of the Definitive Edition. Why do you think they also delisted the original versions off of storefronts? So that new players would have no choice but to play the Definitive Edition. That's how I see it.
ermmm actually🤓 the original GTA: SA is delisted, but you can still buy it. also, it's bundled within if you buy the definitive edition through the Rockstar Games website or retail.
VI Online will be full of predatory ways for R* to squeeze out every single penny out of you. It's guaranteed, and anyone who claims otherwise is braindead.
I imagine furious Strauss Zelnick walking into Rockstar office screaming that this morning he seen this 10 year old GTA Advance PC Port mod for GTA 3 and that we gotta take this down ASAP because the entire corporation is in danger!!!!!! 💀💀
If that would be even the case 😂 Zelnick just sits in his office and looks where they can cut corners, save 1 cent. Then he tells his lawyers team to look out for anything that could affect the release of the GTA Trilogy Defective Edition. So the lawyers run an AI trough keywords and send down a lot of takedowns in hope no one is fighting against those letters. Even if they are poorly written.
It's worth noting that GTA modding didn't start with GTA3. It started and was officially supported back in the earliest days with GTA1/2. GTA1 had a scripting guide by DMA Design released for it. And GTA2 had an official level editor that DMA Design released.
This bring me back when I was working on a map mod for V for almost a year that only had Las Ventura & San Fierro. We made tons of progress, I completely redid Bone County & Parts of Area 69 before we got DMCA’d and it eventually got taken down Lol.. I still work on the project now and then because it’s still a fun hobby remaking things on the GTA 5 engine but I wouldn’t want the risk of publishing it so Take2 can throw me in jail and murder my family.
I made several mods, one of the biggest ones I called "whetstone docks", it was a new city for a samp server, but I ended up converting it into IPL for singleplayer as well. When you make these additions you have the desire to positively surprise Rockstar, that they add them to their official version for their quality and in the best of cases they hire you, not that they pursue you legally. It's a shame that we have such a different mentality, but this is the market, my friend.
that's one huge reason why the modding community around BGS games flourish. They're surprisingly hands off, with the worst scenarios being them updating a game that breaks a few essential mods that many others rely on, which is usually fixed in a matter of days. And they let massive projects like Enderal, Fallout London, Skyblivion/wind, etc. be in active development and be released as essentially entire community spinoffs. With the recent potential leaks there's a growing concern that might take a step in the opposite direction. I wouldn't want a mediocre official remake taking light away from a huge fan project that's taken so much time and effort to produce.
Their aggressive attitude has honestly gotten worse and it's a shame to see overall. To go from this company that was all for supporting mods back in the day and even having them in the newsletters to then becoming a company that despises and hates them is just so sad. Honestly like you said, LCS PC Edition they could've really turned that into something official since it shows people do want that stories titles on modern platforms too still. There is a part of me that wants to hope the old Rockstar comes back in how they treat the fans and modding community. But then I know that's not likely to ever happen.
In parallel with LCS PC, there was an ongoing LCS reverse-engineering effort by the same team that reverse engineered III and VC. Had Rockstar sued the team a couple of months later than when it happened, we'd have a working and highly accurate PC port of LCS today.
I'm glad to see someone else mention that Rockstar used to support mods. I first found out about IV:SA through the Newswire and thought it was the coolest thing ever. That's something their lawyers would be salivating over nowadays.
I hope DarkViperAU sees this and understands that the purchase of the FiveM team, was not to implement RP features in VI, but to prevent competition from a free alternative to GTA Online's abusive inflation.
They clearly did it as a PR move as they wanted to save face by acquiring the mod as a "goodwill" measure rather than endure a rash of harassment from those who are already incensed by their litigation.
they already started fucking everything over. a lot of car related servers were shut down because they all used real car brands and everyone realized rockstar buying fivem wasnt a good deed
So many of these takedowns happened right before the release of Definitive Edition. Almost like Take 2 knew that game would be terrible and people would flock to mods instead.
For Steam Deck users not only did Take-Two take down the original versions of the trilogy, they took down mods that made the games work on linux. I found the GTA III linux mod and it makes the game run at a locked in 30fps (GTA III wasn't made to go higher) and fixes all of the issues proton causes such as the opening not playing.
You can use the ps2 versions of original trilogy on steam deck with the PCSX2 emulator since you have a build-in gamepad. However, native linux mod can give you much better performance and mods possibilities
I think the opening intro not working is because Steam runtime/SteamOS doesn't ship various multimedia libraries required for video decoding due to legal reasons (if you use normal Wine with those libraries installed, then the intro should play) Currently Steam works around that issue by transcoding the relevant videos and serving them as part of its shader cache system (but that may not work with the MPEG-1 videos of GTA 3 or delisted games in general)
As much as I love Rockstar's single player games, it is really disgusting how they and Take Two treat passionate fans like this. They need to understand that people make mods not to compete with them but because they love these games and this is their way of showing that support. The modding community is part reason why these games are still iconic and allow people to experience these games in ways that people never imagined. I also find it impossible to think the fact that the Rockstar Games Launcher versions of their games are not mod-friendly INTENTIONALLY because of this.
Hmmm I noticed a pattern, all these got C&D right before the definitive edition came out despite some of these mods being decades old, Thats so damn scummy
hehe, imagine all moders worldwide take their mods offline a month before a game's release and a month after the release they simply reupload their mods and that way they're dodging t2's bullet xDDDDDDDD
Ngl the whole Take Two going after modders made me want to develop my own game. I was spending soo much time making mods for what? so this greedy company that can just take down my hard work at a moments notice
Modding is like tuning your own car. If you are crazy you may could build your entire own car. But you already like a certain car and just want to customize it to your personality.
Respectfully, in my opinion GTA Underground has a better equivalent today called GTA Stars and Stripes but I was real mad and depressed about it originally getting taken down. GTA Advance, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories PC Edition mods getting taken down is still making me mad. They won't give us a port and won't let us have our own version either? And as for the rest of the nods, thanks to GSG we have the source codes of all 3 trilogy games. Nice
GTA V was fine, and Online was okay around launch. It was only once the racing scene for Online took off and Rockstar started adding new supercars with increasingly expensive pricetags that it all went downhill. Like with CS:GO and the Arms Deal update that added the predatory gun skins and lootboxes. Or TF2's hat update. I think GTA VI will be the same - launch good or fine, then slowly add more and more bullshit to suck money out of vulnerable folks.
Imagine if Rockstar actually worked with those modders to make the Definitive Edition. They'd have ended up with a much better project AND for much cheaper too.
They removed mods recklessly. Why Vice Cry? Simply because it was one of the most downloaded for VC on ModDB, without asking themself what does this mod do and if it contains copyrighted files in it or not. T2 is one more reason i despise the DE's.
Honestly all these modders should just put their projects back up, maybe under different names. I doubt Take Two would pull the same shit again now that they've seen the backlash and how horrible DE was (which, given the timing, was the whole point of all these takedowns - to remove DE's competition). Stars and Stripes hasn't been touched yet, so I think I'm cooking. Edit: Something similar happened with a Team Fortress 2 themed HL2 mod, Lambda Fortress. It was taken down by Valve, then after a while, the modders just.. put it back up again quietly, and Valve hasn't made a fuss since.
@@alphagarg859 i feel sorry for LCS PC. If the devs continue it under another nickname and different project name, i doubt Take Two will ever care. They took down GTA UG only because it was popular, S&S knew it and development was more closed.
This is why I absolutely hate Rockstar and Take 2.. They should praise and encourage modders, much like CD Project Red does. I find the lack of care and respect they have for these titles that allowed them to become such a big element in the gaming industry, disgusting.
I think what prevents Vice City Stories to be ported to other platforms would be copyrighted music or likeness actors, like Phil Collins who plays his own role in the game. But then again, Vice City and San Andreas had the same issues but were ported just fine...
Even with how insanely stupid pricing is for licensed music, doesn't make any sense for rockstar to refuse to make a pc port of VCS they're not more poor than they were back then, they can afford to license more music, hell they could probably hire people to make custom tracks to mimic the original soundtrack They're just that cheap.
@@Verchiel_ Considering Phil Collins had a role in VCS as himself, and contained his music. I wouldn't be surprised if that is *THE* reason R* is so reluctant on porting it. I have heard he is a bit of a diva. Pair that up with R*'s (recent) practice of putting as little hands-on work as possible for anything but the main cash cow, I don't think a port will ever come.
Modders should realize they need to keep their operations out of the territory of the USA and their satellites. This way they could not be shut down - best Take2 could do is block access to their sites, but VPN exists and in time enough people will learn how and where to find the mod they want.
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் Unexpected? The executives decided they need to milk the sh*t out of the existing franchise as they can't develop anything new (most of the people behind the Rockstar classics are no longer working there), so they strike at the best enhancement mods that put their future defective editions to shame.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 It’s always the publisher company. The people that decide these sorts of stuff are not gamers and they don’t understand, nor care to understand about modding and the community itself. But there is also legal issues like copyrights and actors suing the company for using their voices in a different game. It’s a lot of stuff going on behind locked doors in almost all corporations. It’s not like they wake up one day and decide to destroy the modding community.
@@OXY187 Whenever we talk about corporations we should know - it's all about money. People who got into the background of the GTA games should have clearly understood this by now.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 It is kind of understandable when websites like Moddb are generating more revenue than a corporation who made the product two decades ago. The bigger they get, more they have to pay. that's the case with rockstar. I'd dare saying they are probably worried about GTA 6. If It flops, its gonna take down the whole company.
Makes me worried of what Take-Two will do to the GTA Vice City Nextgen Edition project. I'm really looking forward to replay Vice City on GTA IV's engine.
Ok, something unrelated but look at what SCS games do (the makers of Eurotruck Simulator2 and American Truck Simulator). their games keep getting better and better because of the modding community. they even made their games mod compatible. had rockstar at least supported GTA modders or just let them be, it would've made their games better.
Never forget they took down the GTA 3 and Vice City reverse engineering projects, if that project was ever finished we would of had the true definitive edition of GTA 3 and Vice City, as it had mods like Silent Patch, Project 2DFX, SkyGFX and other popular mods properly integrated into them without needing to rely on third-party proprietary mod loaders, which gave the games a HUGE optimisation boost (The game was literally ported to the Nintendo DS and were playable). It would of been the most important mod for the franchise.
I really love your content, been subscribed for a while now. Quality content amazing cuts and usage of music, educational its about GTA (and I love GTA) plus your speaking voice / tone is so calming I could fall asleep to it. Honestly 10/10 all the work you do. Don't let subscriber numbers get into your head.
it will be rehashed bs. to say they spent this amount of time is bs. look at how amazing gta 4 turned out in half the time. the trailer of gta 6 all the vehicles looked to have the exact same handling model as gta 5
@@Fusion710 I wouldn't go that far. There's more to a game than just graphics. Beyond what you see around you, there are hundreds of scripts and system at work, to make the world feel alive. It's what Rockstar is good at, and I expect something big. However judging from my experience in the past 10 years with them, the campaign will probably be the only thing worth playing. And I'm simply not wiling to spend 80 or 90 bucks just on that. I'd probably pay that price to play the online component as well, and that (unlike V Online) will be built around the GTA+ subscription. It's not something I'm looking forward to.
I subbed. You helped me make my GTA SA on PC even playable with one of your tutorials. I also made it 2-player compatible and added some graphic mods, so me and my sibling who grew up playing it, can play it now and it's better than ever! Thanks for the videos man.
the VCS pc mod was so unfinished, it felt like just a reskinned SA mod (peds still had their original SA quotes), really shame, we never got a VCS pc mod, at least close to what the LCS one was...
It was very advanced in many other ways however, the team were mainly focused on the backend of the game and VCS PC Edition led to so many more developments in the San Andreas mod scene, so it's a pretty significant mod.
Crazy how much more people working for free can do than billion dollar corporations, it seems like companies have learned nothing from Valve, a lot of it's empire was built alongside their community, instead of stomping said community into the ground. You'd think these corporations would jump at the opportunity to take advantage of the work of the passion of modders
Mods not mentioned include various graphical mods, the GTA V UI mod for SA and GTA V map for SA. The reason these mods were taken down? Because the advertised *features* they were introducing in the trilogy were already in existance beforehand as mods in a better, more stable verdion of the game. If the fanbase *actually* knew how much the trilogy wasn't needed to be produced at all, and how it's overall a lesser experience today than 5 years ago on PC with all the taken down mods.
I'm going to be so pissed if they kill GTA LC'01. That mod is quite possibly the most ambitious and polished mod for GTA 3 that will essentially remake GTA 3 as if it came out in the era between San Andreas and GTA IV. And all the while, It's still using the GTA 3 engine.
Since there is no financial gain for the modders, I don't really understand Cockstar's problem. I mean sure, you can support a modder on patreon for example but that is your choice, the mods are still free, they are not behind a paywall, there is nothing illegal going on. I think the mentality here is : " Let's take these mods down so the younger generations of players will only know OUR versions, OUR games that we give out and not to give them any ideas to bother with modding the originals.
They can DMCA whatever they want. People will use Discord servers, off the google weird forum sites to distribute and develop these mods. I think the main concern of Rockstar is websites like Moddb and Liberty City who are capable of making profit off of mods. They just don’t want other companies to make money.
Waiting for mod from Revolution Team, that transferred the entire GTA: Vice City with missions to the GTA IV engine. Let Rockstar try to DMCA them, modders from Russia don't give a **** about it.
Rockstar and Take Two should take a lesson from SCS Software of Prague, Czech. Yes, they take a hard stance against payware mods. But, freeware ones they whole heartedly endorse. Hell, they even hire modders to work on their two big titles right now. Those being Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator. Plus, they do Open Beta sessions so the community can test new updates out before they go live and they can give feedback to SCS. That's how it should be done. Not this.
If someone asks, why I dont wait the GTA 6, and why I hate the studio, when the GTA SA is my favourite game, my answer is this. It's disgusting what they did.
Shame on Rockstar. Leaving mods alone does nothing and lets people enjoy your games long past their original life cycle. Shutting down mods only causes ill will.
But that's exactly what t2/rockstar fears. They believe that every player who spends time in the older games isn't spending money in the newer ones. quite funny, isn't it? almost as if you can't play both OLD and NEW games on the same computer.
The biggest loss was the shutdown of re3 which was reverse enginnering various 3d-era games. III and VC were mostly done and LCS was running but it's very buggy. This would've been great because it allowed these games to run on diffrent platfroms. For example we would have LCS and VCS on PC. And instead we got a pile of garbage that DE is.
This is really frustrating because mods keep these games relevant, which can only benefit Rockstar Games, but instead they chose to go with a trashy cash grab remaster instead.
SAMP came around in an era where the gaming wasn’t that mainstream and companies didn’t care that much. SAMP was unnoticed and with the release of Gta IV, it became abandonware. There was a Samp alternative for Gta Iv. Rockstar shut it down immediately.
Hey man, I just want to say thank you, without you I would still be playing the GTA SA steam version with no mods, you showed me the way and I will not forget you, I will send any squires on the same quest to your archive of truth. BEANZ
Sues their fans but loves them whenever they buy their newest product or dlc. It's crystal clear that there is no soul left in this company, only the soulless that read numbers. They step on their customers but cannot survive without them. Unbelievable.
Some recommendations for your success, add some more visual elements, and maybe have less of a long winded intro. Great video you put together, just some work needs to be done for viewer experience
Im part of a somewhat small community related to a mod for assetto corsa, and the amount of people that show up on discord saying that they bought the game just to play the mod is actually impressive considering the size of this community so rockstar is juat being dumb when it comes to killing these mods as they all require a copy of the game, even the reverse engineeared versions of vice city and III require the original assets, and you install it on top of a legit copy of the game, it's mostly just an .exe and some complementary files, liberty city stories for PC was nuked because they actually distributed the entire game folder and therefore could qualify as piracy, but the game also is a total conversion of vice city so it kinda requires everything, i played it and it's basically perfect
What one does with true dedication for love, doesnt compare with what these people try to cover with their wallets. You can't live for free, but taking a slice of everything that exists is so sick.
12:30 The developers of the mods specifically asked to not refer to their mod as "GTA LCS: PC Edition" or something along those lines, but to refer to it as "GTA Re:LCS" or "GTA Re: Liberty City Stories". No worries though, but I though I'd let you know that since you always show the upmost respect to GTA modders driven by passion.
@despacheetos1 Honestly there's not much information around about the mod anymore, the GTAForums thread is gone and I believe the Discord is gone too. I remember the mod being called PC Edition, even by the developers. I do know at one point the aim of the mod was to reverse engineer the original game, as part of the reIII/reVC projects, but it was basically a different mod at that point. The mod that was shut down was still called PC Edition on ModDB as far as I know when it was shut down, so I decided to stick with that.
@@TJGM Understandable, I still have the original latest free build downloaded straight from the original author Ryadica926. And in the text file provided by the authors, they specifically ask to call the mod "GTA Re:LCS" to avoid confusion with another mod "GTA LCS PC Edition" that was made on San Andreas engine and was never finished. Also If i remember correctly, this mod wasn't actually taken down by Take2 or Rockstar but the authors themselves decided to remove any traces of this mod to avoid legal consequences. Although I could be mistaken. PS. The good news are that Ryadica926 restarted his progress on this mod and is publishing videos from this newest unreleased version on his youtube channel.
i was playing underground multiplayer and new weapons, new maps and vehicles really added a lot of charm to this old game. It was a really early version with a lot of bugs but it had that feeling of the old samp versions. So many years of hard work by the author of this mod have gone to waste, the worst thing is that if definitive version had not been released, the mod would still be alive.
well, its multiple factors, and the one you said isnt really a true. First its limitations made by developers. The story scripts are too invasive, so a story Total conversions mods, or even simplest mission edits arent possible. Second factor is gta 5 doesnt have that much of interest as 3d gtas has. Hell, even gta 4 doesnt have many, if any story Total conversions mods to this day. The last one i could think of is the thing that most modders out there are from brazil and russia, and most of them have low spec computer to this day. Also there is couple of Total conversions mods similiar to old gtas, fron the top of my head is ragsnriches, las venturas project, and liberty city preservetion project.
Rockstar should have done what CDPR done with Witcher. Collaborate with talented modderd that fix the game and enhance graphics , build a community around and give important tools to make even better mods . While their actual development team could focus on big projects. I don't understand taking down useful mods which actually fixes the games issues and basically a free service for Rockstar.
Could we flood TH-cam and twitch with as much gameplay of gta underground and others so it becomes like FiveM to Rockstar? Too big to attack again? Edit: I've downloaded Stars & Stripes and will start making music videos in there for my channel! 😎Love this community!
The main catalyst series of shutdowns is GTA re lcs Last updated build got paywalled (containing full game, not upgrade patch), people angry, and also got re3 and revc shutdown because of the name
And people are praising the ceo of taketwo in interviews like hes responsible for the success of gta, gta devs dont dislike the modders but the ceos and stakeholders who dont do any work but leech of it
tbf to rockstar the LCS RE PC port literally was packed with the exe file and everything else needed to run, the game was built upon the VC engine and included all that is needed to run the game without owning VC, So it was literal piracy no matter what way you slice it and the creator Ryadica also had their own patreon on top of that, where one of their VC VCS style mod was behind a patreon paywall, basically all that was was a VC reskinned to look like VCS with VCS assets and to top it off it also had a full version of VC again, exe included with it so i mean.. he was kind of asking for trouble by re selling a copy of VC too his supporters, In fact i am sure a big reason Raydica in particular got hit so hard that he disappeared from the internet was because he was making money off of their assets, And it would have been a matter of time that rockstar or t2 would have gotten to him regardless of DE. That's the only one where i can see that rockstar was 100% in the right to take down the other mods not so much because you needed to the original games too even use them.
Modders, please, start your own games, be together, release better than these ungrateful changed teams. If you really like doing it, making your own games should be a priority, to make money and also to pursue passion aside. (If someone want to correct or add ideas tell)
I'm assuming the original developers were long gone from the company, and some new... "people" have joined recently and decided to remove these mods to fulfill their own agenda. The company is not the same as it was 10 years ago.
I mean the developers themselves have no say. It's the executives at Rockstar and Take-Two making these decisions. People will try to say it's only Take-Two, but I doubt it, Rockstar has enough pull within the company to stop things like this if they wanted to.
@@TJGM Yep, I should've phrased it correctly, I meant the original higher ups who used to support the modding community are now gone, replaced by people who don't care about passionate modders, nor about gaming.
Genuinely speaking, the only reason I didn’t buy the definitive edition trilogy on release was because of them sending lawyers after gta underground. Before that I was actually kinda excited to hear about a remake of some of my favourite games. Absolutely shitty behaviour to treat people with the most passion for these classic games like that and it made me not want to support take-two in any form
Take down inoffensive and well made mods that people made without gaining a single dollar with it: ✅ Take down expensively paid mod menus from GTA V that ruin people's experience: ❌❌❌❌❌❌
Great video man. I was so sad when all of this stuff happened. GTA Underground was so cool. The Liberty Cities Stories port for pc was really awesome and needed and I couldn't wait for the Vice City Stories port but Fake-2 and Cockstar had to ruin it all.
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@dudoboi Roasted? I was the one that started it..
What are u guys talking about?
@@TJGMbro, I'm not gonna lie, it's been so long since then, I mean, after 2023 and 2024, Rockstar Games are not touching GTA mods anymore, I don't know why, but I guess we gotta wait until GTA 6 goes out, but if things will continue, I'm afraid I'm gonna quit GTA games forever, and the bros who speak spanish just like me will do too, so, it's only a matter of time before GTA games won't be here forever, dude, damn 😢😢😢
I'm greeting from Colombia, bro
They were too scared to be clowned on some modder on his basement with no salary
They did a pretty good job of clowning on themselves with the defective edition.
I'm more excited for LC '01 than GTA VI, lmao.
I am glad they shut the mods down if PlayStation can not mod so can PC not mod it's really unfair that PC mods but console cannot
@@Themattcave620keep coping
@@Themattcave620 < Mentally ill over here
bro, they literally DMCA'd a save game file 💀💀💀
for what game?
@@rogoznicafc9672 I think the lost and damned
Shows how little effort they put into all of this
Typical R* fashion.
@@rogoznicafc9672 16:16 it was a 65% completed save file for the *Original* IV that replaced Niko with Johnny from TLAD.
Imagine being the adult that randomly gets a cease and desist for a save file you uploaded decades ago. One that probably doesn't even get much traffic anyway since model swap mods and trainers already do this more efficiently.
It was honestly so disgusting to see the greed that take 2 and rockstar had against us modders.
Only T2, not Rockstar
T2 ruin rockstar@@NikoBellic-pv6gf
@Dprint5611 T2 already owned Rockstar so many years ago and I don't know what you mean with "T2 ruined Rockstar"
@@NikoBellic-pv6gfYou don't think the changes at Rockstar games im recent years have nothing to do with Take2. Take2 is Rockstar's parent company for a reason.
Amen. And that's why i decided to mod the hell out of my 3 original gta's instead of buying the DE. and also fuck GTA V and VI in the future. No more money for Cockstar and greed2. I'm done.
Thank you for adding Rockstar to the video title.
People always blame T2 and not realize that R* is equally responsible for the decisions. R* let the GTA DE launch disaster happen while 2K made Mafia 1 remake, both R* and 2K are owned by T2.
Directly from Wikipedia:
"Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. is an American video game holding company based in New York City founded by Ryan Brant in September 1993.
The company owns three major publishing labels, Rockstar Games, Zynga and 2K, which operate internal game development studios."
T2 is responsible for many bad decisions, but R* is not innocent either.
R* is the biggest, most profitable studio under their banner. If R* told T2 to chill out with the takedowns, they'd probably do it simply because Rockstar is that influential.
@@danin900 you never seem to have worked for someone who pays you. do you think game sells go to rockstar and then the profit is split between them? hahahaha if take two says jump. rockstar will jump
@@whoisprize Yeah, sure. R* glazers are pathetic. These are both huge corporations with huge profit margins. T2 relies far more on R* than the other way around. If R* decide not to listen, they get a lawsuit for breach of contract, sure. But if R* threatened to leave? Do you think T2 would just be okay with losing their biggest cashcow? No.
@@whoisprize No they don't. Rockstar's bosses are the shareholders. If R* cared enough, they could have talked about the terrible P.R. and how those decisions would lower the price of the stocks. They didn't. T2 is a holding and distribution company, the "bosses" are the shareholders, not the company itself. If you think R*, being the biggest, most influential and profitable of the group, has no say in decisions that _directly_ affect their bottom line, you're the one who's never had a corporate job.
Today's R* has almost nothing to do with the old R* that created the classic GTA Trilogy
This has been an issue since Rockstar removed the Hot Coffee Mod of GTA San Andreas and blamed the PC gaming community for them including cut adult content in their game files. They threw us under the bus, when they should have simply said that it was already an adult game and the content was already cut. Ever since then, PC has always come last in their eyes. 15 Years for Red Dead Redemption PC for god sakes. It's because of this it got me politically active and I am with the Pirate Party. Digital Rights are absolutely a political issue and we need to fight these scummy companies who take their fans/most loyal customers for a ride.
Pirate party 🤓
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R* blamed the modders for adding back(by making mods to enable it) hot coffee after they cut it from the base game.
get your facts right.
Why did they even put it in the first place? @nothihn1180
calm down weirdo
GTA Underground may have been killed by R* and Take Two, but from it's ashes rose Stars and Stripes, a mod that has an even bigger promise, with many former UG developers joining it's development.
Is there anything preventing Rockstar from DMCAing it again?
Based mod
It's 'its'.
@@jorge69696 UG lead was European guy, Stars and Stripes is from South America, one thing we know is that no one cares about piracy there, so yes 80% Stars and Stripes might be immune from DMCA lmao
@@AhmadWahelsa the lead of underground works on S&S as well
FiveM wasn't the only time Rockstar showed support to modders, and that's what makes their antiquated approach so hurtful. Back in the early days of the Rockstar Newswire, mods were posted and praised constantly by R*. IV:SA was posted, a type of mod that would get a DMCA immediately nowadays. Their new approach feels like betrayal, and it's stupidly old fashioned. Companies like CDPR and Bethesda don't send you copyright notices, they send you fucking job offers.
The Newswire post that has always stuck out to me is the one that showcased the GTA 1 map in GTA IV mod. If this were post-2013 Rockstar, you just know they'd have gotten Take-Two to send their legal goons to the creator's home for "threatening" their IP.
Just like the GTA games, once a close friend, now an enemy.
And Valve, even their games like Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat and Team Fortress were started as a Half-Life mod
They even paid tribute to a Filipino GTA content creator called Fernando "Yeardley Diamond" Agapito who made a lot of viral GTA machinima videos in the early 2010s before his untimely passing. I doubt they'd care as much about him these days.
@@blakegriplingph I used to love watching YD. Has it really been ten years?
They took down all those mods, because they knew fully well that the Definitive Edition was shit. They just wanted to eliminate the competition, eliminate any kind of threat to any profit they'd make off of the Definitive Edition. Why do you think they also delisted the original versions off of storefronts? So that new players would have no choice but to play the Definitive Edition.
That's how I see it.
That's exactly how it is
ermmm actually🤓
the original GTA: SA is delisted, but you can still buy it. also, it's bundled within if you buy the definitive edition through the Rockstar Games website or retail.
Remember this when the GTA VI hype will start again.
VI Online will be full of predatory ways for R* to squeeze out every single penny out of you. It's guaranteed, and anyone who claims otherwise is braindead.
Console players won’t care about any of this tho.
@@yousifassar4275I'd risk and say some PC players too.
Yeah the peasants don't care
@@yousifassar4275 I'm on PC. I don't like Mods
I imagine furious Strauss Zelnick walking into Rockstar office screaming that this morning he seen this 10 year old GTA Advance PC Port mod for GTA 3 and that we gotta take this down ASAP because the entire corporation is in danger!!!!!! 💀💀
If that would be even the case 😂 Zelnick just sits in his office and looks where they can cut corners, save 1 cent. Then he tells his lawyers team to look out for anything that could affect the release of the GTA Trilogy Defective Edition. So the lawyers run an AI trough keywords and send down a lot of takedowns in hope no one is fighting against those letters. Even if they are poorly written.
The fact these conversations never actually happen and they just use an AI to take these down is more concerning.
They could have made extra cash, but that's what you get when the CEO of mother company isn't a gamer but a shark.
I wonder if that's the reason they call the pay cards Shark cards
@@JRoyal504Every time he enters the building the jaws theme starts playing.
@@JRoyal504 Could be....
But I think it's just regular GTA V humour basically.
aaaaaaaaaah, that's why the purchasable currency is called "Sharkcards". now everything makes sense. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's worth noting that GTA modding didn't start with GTA3. It started and was officially supported back in the earliest days with GTA1/2. GTA1 had a scripting guide by DMA Design released for it. And GTA2 had an official level editor that DMA Design released.
Rockstar themselves even bought licences for GTACars when they developed the London expansions and thanked the author in the credits.
This bring me back when I was working on a map mod for V for almost a year that only had Las Ventura & San Fierro. We made tons of progress, I completely redid Bone County & Parts of Area 69 before we got DMCA’d and it eventually got taken down Lol.. I still work on the project now and then because it’s still a fun hobby remaking things on the GTA 5 engine but I wouldn’t want the risk of publishing it so Take2 can throw me in jail and murder my family.
You can always leak it somewhere anonymously if you ever finish.
This is mostly why I retired from modding the GTA series. It's Zelnick and his goons taking the fun away from games these days.
Yep. Strauss Zelnick and Take2 as a whole.
@@_zigger_ we are beyond the point of needing to see the "early life" section.
Years of experience noticing patterns already tells it...
@@_zigger_ enlighten me
@@_zigger_ Like I even need Jarvis for this at this rate.
A quick google search confirms why he is tanking things that might even slightly threaten profits. (((They))) are obsessed with profits and control
I made several mods, one of the biggest ones I called "whetstone docks", it was a new city for a samp server, but I ended up converting it into IPL for singleplayer as well. When you make these additions you have the desire to positively surprise Rockstar, that they add them to their official version for their quality and in the best of cases they hire you, not that they pursue you legally. It's a shame that we have such a different mentality, but this is the market, my friend.
that's one huge reason why the modding community around BGS games flourish.
They're surprisingly hands off, with the worst scenarios being them updating a game that breaks a few essential mods that many others rely on, which is usually fixed in a matter of days.
And they let massive projects like Enderal, Fallout London, Skyblivion/wind, etc. be in active development and be released as essentially entire community spinoffs.
With the recent potential leaks there's a growing concern that might take a step in the opposite direction.
I wouldn't want a mediocre official remake taking light away from a huge fan project that's taken so much time and effort to produce.
You should honestly consider modding a different game like Skyrim or Cyberpunk if you're truly looking to get hired.
Their aggressive attitude has honestly gotten worse and it's a shame to see overall. To go from this company that was all for supporting mods back in the day and even having them in the newsletters to then becoming a company that despises and hates them is just so sad. Honestly like you said, LCS PC Edition they could've really turned that into something official since it shows people do want that stories titles on modern platforms too still. There is a part of me that wants to hope the old Rockstar comes back in how they treat the fans and modding community. But then I know that's not likely to ever happen.
In parallel with LCS PC, there was an ongoing LCS reverse-engineering effort by the same team that reverse engineered III and VC. Had Rockstar sued the team a couple of months later than when it happened, we'd have a working and highly accurate PC port of LCS today.
I'm glad to see someone else mention that Rockstar used to support mods. I first found out about IV:SA through the Newswire and thought it was the coolest thing ever. That's something their lawyers would be salivating over nowadays.
blame the Hot Coffee Scandal for the relationship souring.
JohnathanWilliamson849 Still wasn't the modders' fault.
@@Հովհաննես wasn't saying that it was their fault since Rockstar left those animations in the files.
I hope DarkViperAU sees this and understands that the purchase of the FiveM team, was not to implement RP features in VI, but to prevent competition from a free alternative to GTA Online's abusive inflation.
They clearly did it as a PR move as they wanted to save face by acquiring the mod as a "goodwill" measure rather than endure a rash of harassment from those who are already incensed by their litigation.
they already started fucking everything over. a lot of car related servers were shut down because they all used real car brands and everyone realized rockstar buying fivem wasnt a good deed
DarkViper was wrong about a lot of things.
@@thedualitysystemhe sure as hell was right about Michael not being in witness protection, that’s for sure
So many of these takedowns happened right before the release of Definitive Edition. Almost like Take 2 knew that game would be terrible and people would flock to mods instead.
For Steam Deck users not only did Take-Two take down the original versions of the trilogy, they took down mods that made the games work on linux.
I found the GTA III linux mod and it makes the game run at a locked in 30fps (GTA III wasn't made to go higher) and fixes all of the issues proton causes such as the opening not playing.
You can use the ps2 versions of original trilogy on steam deck with the PCSX2 emulator since you have a build-in gamepad. However, native linux mod can give you much better performance and mods possibilities
I think the opening intro not working is because Steam runtime/SteamOS doesn't ship various multimedia libraries required for video decoding due to legal reasons (if you use normal Wine with those libraries installed, then the intro should play)
Currently Steam works around that issue by transcoding the relevant videos and serving them as part of its shader cache system (but that may not work with the MPEG-1 videos of GTA 3 or delisted games in general)
As much as I love Rockstar's single player games, it is really disgusting how they and Take Two treat passionate fans like this. They need to understand that people make mods not to compete with them but because they love these games and this is their way of showing that support. The modding community is part reason why these games are still iconic and allow people to experience these games in ways that people never imagined. I also find it impossible to think the fact that the Rockstar Games Launcher versions of their games are not mod-friendly INTENTIONALLY because of this.
Hmmm I noticed a pattern, all these got C&D right before the definitive edition came out despite some of these mods being decades old, Thats so damn scummy
we should probably expect more of the same when gta vi is close to release
@@gowonsupremacistthe hype is too big. People will forget, they always do.
hehe, imagine all moders worldwide take their mods offline a month before a game's release and a month after the release they simply reupload their mods and that way they're dodging t2's bullet xDDDDDDDD
Ngl the whole Take Two going after modders made me want to develop my own game. I was spending soo much time making mods for what? so this greedy company that can just take down my hard work at a moments notice
Modding is like tuning your own car. If you are crazy you may could build your entire own car. But you already like a certain car and just want to customize it to your personality.
@@MrGTAmodsgerman Best explained it my friend
Always remember, pirating isn't steeling
Yes, because steeling isn't a word.
But yes, piracy isn't stealing technically, it's at most copyright infringement.
When modders do a better job than the devs:
Always pirate from corporations.
Respectfully, in my opinion GTA Underground has a better equivalent today called GTA Stars and Stripes but I was real mad and depressed about it originally getting taken down.
GTA Advance, Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories PC Edition mods getting taken down is still making me mad. They won't give us a port and won't let us have our own version either?
And as for the rest of the nods, thanks to GSG we have the source codes of all 3 trilogy games. Nice
Gta 5 was a slop, and 6 will be a bigger slop full of predatory micro transactions crap
How is it a slop? And nobody knows much about GTA 6 because rockstar games havent made any new statements since the first trailer.
And what about FiveM? What about PC mods for GTA 5?
GTA V was fine, and Online was okay around launch. It was only once the racing scene for Online took off and Rockstar started adding new supercars with increasingly expensive pricetags that it all went downhill. Like with CS:GO and the Arms Deal update that added the predatory gun skins and lootboxes. Or TF2's hat update. I think GTA VI will be the same - launch good or fine, then slowly add more and more bullshit to suck money out of vulnerable folks.
Imagine if Rockstar actually worked with those modders to make the Definitive Edition. They'd have ended up with a much better project AND for much cheaper too.
They say it's all about money, but I bet those modders would work for a bag of crackers. That's how passionate they are.
They removed mods recklessly. Why Vice Cry? Simply because it was one of the most downloaded for VC on ModDB, without asking themself what does this mod do and if it contains copyrighted files in it or not. T2 is one more reason i despise the DE's.
Honestly all these modders should just put their projects back up, maybe under different names. I doubt Take Two would pull the same shit again now that they've seen the backlash and how horrible DE was (which, given the timing, was the whole point of all these takedowns - to remove DE's competition). Stars and Stripes hasn't been touched yet, so I think I'm cooking.
Edit: Something similar happened with a Team Fortress 2 themed HL2 mod, Lambda Fortress. It was taken down by Valve, then after a while, the modders just.. put it back up again quietly, and Valve hasn't made a fuss since.
@@alphagarg859 i feel sorry for LCS PC. If the devs continue it under another nickname and different project name, i doubt Take Two will ever care. They took down GTA UG only because it was popular, S&S knew it and development was more closed.
This is why I absolutely hate Rockstar and Take 2.. They should praise and encourage modders, much like CD Project Red does. I find the lack of care and respect they have for these titles that allowed them to become such a big element in the gaming industry, disgusting.
I think what prevents Vice City Stories to be ported to other platforms would be copyrighted music or likeness actors, like Phil Collins who plays his own role in the game. But then again, Vice City and San Andreas had the same issues but were ported just fine...
Even with how insanely stupid pricing is for licensed music, doesn't make any sense for rockstar to refuse to make a pc port of VCS
they're not more poor than they were back then, they can afford to license more music, hell they could probably hire people to make custom tracks to mimic the original soundtrack
They're just that cheap.
@@Verchiel_ Considering Phil Collins had a role in VCS as himself, and contained his music. I wouldn't be surprised if that is *THE* reason R* is so reluctant on porting it. I have heard he is a bit of a diva. Pair that up with R*'s (recent) practice of putting as little hands-on work as possible for anything but the main cash cow, I don't think a port will ever come.
Modders should realize they need to keep their operations out of the territory of the USA and their satellites. This way they could not be shut down - best Take2 could do is block access to their sites, but VPN exists and in time enough people will learn how and where to find the mod they want.
The thing is that R* has been chill with GTA mods for decades, this new hostile shift is unexpected.
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் Unexpected? The executives decided they need to milk the sh*t out of the existing franchise as they can't develop anything new (most of the people behind the Rockstar classics are no longer working there), so they strike at the best enhancement mods that put their future defective editions to shame.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 It’s always the publisher company. The people that decide these sorts of stuff are not gamers and they don’t understand, nor care to understand about modding and the community itself. But there is also legal issues like copyrights and actors suing the company for using their voices in a different game. It’s a lot of stuff going on behind locked doors in almost all corporations. It’s not like they wake up one day and decide to destroy the modding community.
@@OXY187 Whenever we talk about corporations we should know - it's all about money. People who got into the background of the GTA games should have clearly understood this by now.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 It is kind of understandable when websites like Moddb are generating more revenue than a corporation who made the product two decades ago. The bigger they get, more they have to pay. that's the case with rockstar. I'd dare saying they are probably worried about GTA 6. If It flops, its gonna take down the whole company.
Makes me worried of what Take-Two will do to the GTA Vice City Nextgen Edition project. I'm really looking forward to replay Vice City on GTA IV's engine.
they did but you can still find the torrent file on internet
Ok, something unrelated but look at what SCS games do (the makers of Eurotruck Simulator2 and American Truck Simulator). their games keep getting better and better because of the modding community. they even made their games mod compatible. had rockstar at least supported GTA modders or just let them be, it would've made their games better.
Rockstar now becomes a joker after the failure of GTA Trilogy DE 🤡
I wish everyone would abnegate GTA 6 in revenge, but I'm afraid that won't happen.
Never forget they took down the GTA 3 and Vice City reverse engineering projects, if that project was ever finished we would of had the true definitive edition of GTA 3 and Vice City, as it had mods like Silent Patch, Project 2DFX, SkyGFX and other popular mods properly integrated into them without needing to rely on third-party proprietary mod loaders, which gave the games a HUGE optimisation boost (The game was literally ported to the Nintendo DS and were playable). It would of been the most important mod for the franchise.
I really love your content, been subscribed for a while now. Quality content amazing cuts and usage of music, educational its about GTA (and I love GTA) plus your speaking voice / tone is so calming I could fall asleep to it. Honestly 10/10 all the work you do. Don't let subscriber numbers get into your head.
This is why I'll forever hate rockstar.
I have no plans to get GTA 6 anytime soon. I'll probably get it when it's on sale (10 years from now, lol)
correct, gta 6 isn't coming for pc anytime soon, trailer only mentioned PS and Xbox only
@@himanshubhambu7042 I have a PS5, which will probably get a release, but I still ain't buying.
it will be rehashed bs. to say they spent this amount of time is bs. look at how amazing gta 4 turned out in half the time. the trailer of gta 6 all the vehicles looked to have the exact same handling model as gta 5
@@Fusion710 I wouldn't go that far. There's more to a game than just graphics. Beyond what you see around you, there are hundreds of scripts and system at work, to make the world feel alive. It's what Rockstar is good at, and I expect something big.
However judging from my experience in the past 10 years with them, the campaign will probably be the only thing worth playing. And I'm simply not wiling to spend 80 or 90 bucks just on that.
I'd probably pay that price to play the online component as well, and that (unlike V Online) will be built around the GTA+ subscription. It's not something I'm looking forward to.
I subbed. You helped me make my GTA SA on PC even playable with one of your tutorials. I also made it 2-player compatible and added some graphic mods, so me and my sibling who grew up playing it, can play it now and it's better than ever! Thanks for the videos man.
Thank you and I'm glad to have helped!
the VCS pc mod was so unfinished, it felt like just a reskinned SA mod (peds still had their original SA quotes), really shame, we never got a VCS pc mod, at least close to what the LCS one was...
It was very advanced in many other ways however, the team were mainly focused on the backend of the game and VCS PC Edition led to so many more developments in the San Andreas mod scene, so it's a pretty significant mod.
Take Two and Rockstar are both just disgusting.
Crazy how much more people working for free can do than billion dollar corporations, it seems like companies have learned nothing from Valve, a lot of it's empire was built alongside their community, instead of stomping said community into the ground. You'd think these corporations would jump at the opportunity to take advantage of the work of the passion of modders
They took down a save file, it can't get any dumber from here.
The Definitive Edition flop is what you call karma
Mods not mentioned include various graphical mods, the GTA V UI mod for SA and GTA V map for SA.
The reason these mods were taken down? Because the advertised *features* they were introducing in the trilogy were already in existance beforehand as mods in a better, more stable verdion of the game. If the fanbase *actually* knew how much the trilogy wasn't needed to be produced at all, and how it's overall a lesser experience today than 5 years ago on PC with all the taken down mods.
I'm going to be so pissed if they kill GTA LC'01. That mod is quite possibly the most ambitious and polished mod for GTA 3 that will essentially remake GTA 3 as if it came out in the era between San Andreas and GTA IV. And all the while, It's still using the GTA 3 engine.
yeah it‘s one of the major reasons why they are skipping PC at launch
Destroying the creations of people who care about your game more than you do is crazy
Since there is no financial gain for the modders, I don't really understand Cockstar's problem. I mean sure, you can support a modder on patreon for example but that is your choice, the mods are still free, they are not behind a paywall, there is nothing illegal going on. I think the mentality here is : " Let's take these mods down so the younger generations of players will only know OUR versions, OUR games that we give out and not to give them any ideas to bother with modding the originals.
Imagine if they took the Valve approach instead
They can DMCA whatever they want. People will use Discord servers, off the google weird forum sites to distribute and develop these mods. I think the main concern of Rockstar is websites like Moddb and Liberty City who are capable of making profit off of mods. They just don’t want other companies to make money.
Gta re 3, Gta Re VC, Gta Re Lcs & the greatest Gta mod to ever exist: Grand Theft Auto Underground.
Waiting for mod from Revolution Team, that transferred the entire GTA: Vice City with missions to the GTA IV engine. Let Rockstar try to DMCA them, modders from Russia don't give a **** about it.
Rockstar and Take Two should take a lesson from SCS Software of Prague, Czech. Yes, they take a hard stance against payware mods. But, freeware ones they whole heartedly endorse. Hell, they even hire modders to work on their two big titles right now. Those being Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator. Plus, they do Open Beta sessions so the community can test new updates out before they go live and they can give feedback to SCS. That's how it should be done. Not this.
Truckersmp is a good example this is why i bought the 2 games before this came out i played pirated Versions
If someone asks, why I dont wait the GTA 6, and why I hate the studio, when the GTA SA is my favourite game, my answer is this. It's disgusting what they did.
Shame on Rockstar. Leaving mods alone does nothing and lets people enjoy your games long past their original life cycle. Shutting down mods only causes ill will.
But that's exactly what t2/rockstar fears. They believe that every player who spends time in the older games isn't spending money in the newer ones. quite funny, isn't it? almost as if you can't play both OLD and NEW games on the same computer.
I lost a lot of respect for rockstar just from the GTA underground being taken down because rockstars shitty remake
it's honestly not worth it for R* to put their time in taking down the mods instead of improving and enhancing their games they never learn
The biggest loss was the shutdown of re3 which was reverse enginnering various 3d-era games. III and VC were mostly done and LCS was running but it's very buggy. This would've been great because it allowed these games to run on diffrent platfroms. For example we would have LCS and VCS on PC. And instead we got a pile of garbage that DE is.
This is really frustrating because mods keep these games relevant, which can only benefit Rockstar Games, but instead they chose to go with a trashy cash grab remaster instead.
Atleast they couldnt close SA:MP
Samp killed himself
@kazandibi. SA:MP is alive and breathing, only Kalcor abandoned it
Rockstar know about SA:MP existing ?
@@oonizukazuka4327 Probably, they knew about MTA and they helped them (until hot coffee came) so im really sure they know.
SAMP came around in an era where the gaming wasn’t that mainstream and companies didn’t care that much. SAMP was unnoticed and with the release of Gta IV, it became abandonware. There was a Samp alternative for Gta Iv. Rockstar shut it down immediately.
yay corporate greed, this is why we can't have nice things.
Hey man, I just want to say thank you, without you I would still be playing the GTA SA steam version with no mods, you showed me the way and I will not forget you, I will send any squires on the same quest to your archive of truth. BEANZ
Sues their fans but loves them whenever they buy their newest product or dlc. It's crystal clear that there is no soul left in this company, only the soulless that read numbers. They step on their customers but cannot survive without them. Unbelievable.
Some recommendations for your success, add some more visual elements, and maybe have less of a long winded intro. Great video you put together, just some work needs to be done for viewer experience
honestly id suggest all these modders who got the dmca notices to sue rockstar and take-two lets start with a gofundme for the expences ahead.
Rockstar moment when modders do a better job making people wanna play the games than rockstar. Im worried gta 6 is not gonna live up to the hype.
I was a fanboy of Rockstar Games up to 2021, since then I change my opinion completely.
Luigi should've gotten Strauss Zelnick instead.
Im part of a somewhat small community related to a mod for assetto corsa, and the amount of people that show up on discord saying that they bought the game just to play the mod is actually impressive considering the size of this community so rockstar is juat being dumb when it comes to killing these mods as they all require a copy of the game, even the reverse engineeared versions of vice city and III require the original assets, and you install it on top of a legit copy of the game, it's mostly just an .exe and some complementary files, liberty city stories for PC was nuked because they actually distributed the entire game folder and therefore could qualify as piracy, but the game also is a total conversion of vice city so it kinda requires everything, i played it and it's basically perfect
What one does with true dedication for love, doesnt compare with what these people try to cover with their wallets.
You can't live for free, but taking a slice of everything that exists is so sick.
12:30 The developers of the mods specifically asked to not refer to their mod as "GTA LCS: PC Edition" or something along those lines, but to refer to it as "GTA Re:LCS" or "GTA Re: Liberty City Stories". No worries though, but I though I'd let you know that since you always show the upmost respect to GTA modders driven by passion.
@despacheetos1 Honestly there's not much information around about the mod anymore, the GTAForums thread is gone and I believe the Discord is gone too.
I remember the mod being called PC Edition, even by the developers. I do know at one point the aim of the mod was to reverse engineer the original game, as part of the reIII/reVC projects, but it was basically a different mod at that point.
The mod that was shut down was still called PC Edition on ModDB as far as I know when it was shut down, so I decided to stick with that.
@@TJGM Understandable, I still have the original latest free build downloaded straight from the original author Ryadica926. And in the text file provided by the authors, they specifically ask to call the mod "GTA Re:LCS" to avoid confusion with another mod "GTA LCS PC Edition" that was made on San Andreas engine and was never finished. Also If i remember correctly, this mod wasn't actually taken down by Take2 or Rockstar but the authors themselves decided to remove any traces of this mod to avoid legal consequences. Although I could be mistaken.
PS. The good news are that Ryadica926 restarted his progress on this mod and is publishing videos from this newest unreleased version on his youtube channel.
i was playing underground multiplayer and new weapons, new maps and vehicles really added a lot of charm to this old game. It was a really early version with a lot of bugs but it had that feeling of the old samp versions. So many years of hard work by the author of this mod have gone to waste, the worst thing is that if definitive version had not been released, the mod would still be alive.
Man rockstar games really thought the definitive trilogy was worth more than all of these
That explains why GTA V mods does not even get close to GTA SA even after those years...
well, its multiple factors, and the one you said isnt really a true.
First its limitations made by developers. The story scripts are too invasive, so a story Total conversions mods, or even simplest mission edits arent possible.
Second factor is gta 5 doesnt have that much of interest as 3d gtas has. Hell, even gta 4 doesnt have many, if any story Total conversions mods to this day.
The last one i could think of is the thing that most modders out there are from brazil and russia, and most of them have low spec computer to this day. Also there is couple of Total conversions mods similiar to old gtas, fron the top of my head is ragsnriches, las venturas project, and liberty city preservetion project.
Rockstar should have done what CDPR done with Witcher.
Collaborate with talented modderd that fix the game and enhance graphics , build a community around and give important tools to make even better mods .
While their actual development team could focus on big projects.
I don't understand taking down useful mods which actually fixes the games issues and basically a free service for Rockstar.
Blame cockstar's simps always buying shark cards all the damn time for so many years. And zero competition..
I remember each time T2 messed with modders.
Thanks for the vid! I also would like to watch a video explaining why they gave up on famous actors voicing the characters.
Could we flood TH-cam and twitch with as much gameplay of gta underground and others so it becomes like FiveM to Rockstar? Too big to attack again?
Edit: I've downloaded Stars & Stripes and will start making music videos in there for my channel! 😎Love this community!
Russian modders should pick these projects back up, T2 can't do shit to them in current political climate lmao
It’s really bad that RE:LCS was capped too.
The main catalyst series of shutdowns is GTA re lcs
Last updated build got paywalled (containing full game, not upgrade patch), people angry, and also got re3 and revc shutdown because of the name
And people are praising the ceo of taketwo in interviews like hes responsible for the success of gta, gta devs dont dislike the modders but the ceos and stakeholders who dont do any work but leech of it
tbf to rockstar the LCS RE PC port literally was packed with the exe file and everything else needed to run, the game was built upon the VC engine and included all that is needed to run the game without owning VC, So it was literal piracy no matter what way you slice it and the creator Ryadica also had their own patreon on top of that, where one of their VC VCS style mod was behind a patreon paywall, basically all that was was a VC reskinned to look like VCS with VCS assets and to top it off it also had a full version of VC again, exe included with it so i mean.. he was kind of asking for trouble by re selling a copy of VC too his supporters, In fact i am sure a big reason Raydica in particular got hit so hard that he disappeared from the internet was because he was making money off of their assets, And it would have been a matter of time that rockstar or t2 would have gotten to him regardless of DE.
That's the only one where i can see that rockstar was 100% in the right to take down the other mods not so much because you needed to the original games too even use them.
Take Two + Rockstar = Similar to Nintendo
Modders, please, start your own games, be together, release better than these ungrateful changed teams. If you really like doing it, making your own games should be a priority, to make money and also to pursue passion aside. (If someone want to correct or add ideas tell)
modders teams > ungrateful company changed team
This whole time I thought he was saying “forced released” I was like wtf💀💀💀
I'm assuming the original developers were long gone from the company, and some new... "people" have joined recently and decided to remove these mods to fulfill their own agenda. The company is not the same as it was 10 years ago.
I mean the developers themselves have no say. It's the executives at Rockstar and Take-Two making these decisions.
People will try to say it's only Take-Two, but I doubt it, Rockstar has enough pull within the company to stop things like this if they wanted to.
@@TJGM Yep, I should've phrased it correctly, I meant the original higher ups who used to support the modding community are now gone, replaced by people who don't care about passionate modders, nor about gaming.
pirate rockstar's games!
Now when i think about it, was the Defientive Edition even worth it? We lost so many good mods because of that.
We got a TJGM's face reveal before GTA 6.
Genuinely speaking, the only reason I didn’t buy the definitive edition trilogy on release was because of them sending lawyers after gta underground. Before that I was actually kinda excited to hear about a remake of some of my favourite games.
Absolutely shitty behaviour to treat people with the most passion for these classic games like that and it made me not want to support take-two in any form
Sad to see but now add liberty preservation project to the list
I will never buy rockstar products again.
Let it be known that all of this is all because of shark cards and the "definitive" edition... Greed consumes everything and has no end.
Take down inoffensive and well made mods that people made without gaining a single dollar with it: ✅
Take down expensively paid mod menus from GTA V that ruin people's experience: ❌❌❌❌❌❌
Great video man. I was so sad when all of this stuff happened. GTA Underground was so cool. The Liberty Cities Stories port for pc was really awesome and needed and I couldn't wait for the Vice City Stories port but Fake-2 and Cockstar had to ruin it all.