Can a Small Armenian Army Beat a Small Pontus Army in OG Rome: Total War?

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Who will win?
Combatants: Armenian Army vs. Pontus Army
Armenian Army: 4 x Heavy Spearmen, 2 x Archers, 1 x Cataphracts, 1 x Eastern General (Early) (cost 4120)
Pontus Army: 4 x Pontus Phalanx pikemen, 2 x Archers, 1 x Cappadocian Cavalry, 1 x Eastern General (Early) (cost 4090)
Terrain: Grasslands
Players: Human Players
Tactics: LIMITED - see the beginning of the vid for more details.
You can make guess about the battle result in the poll that is posted before the video, or in the comment field below. :)
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[@pyrhusofeprius]

I love playing as both these factions.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Yea, they are rather nice :) Thanks for the comment.

[@Eintracht-uy3cz]

Cappadocian Cav loses to Cataphracts because they have no AP attack, but Bronze Shields heavily outclass Heavy Spearmen.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. It is actually Pontus Phalanx Pikemen. But they likely outclass the Spearmen as well :)

[@TheKOB2010]

Didn’t expect cappadocians to perform so poorly.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Yea, I think the Cataphracts' Armoured piercing won the day there :) Thanks for the comment.

[@julian6868]

Loved the Pontic general fighting alone at the end

[@qualityoldgames7721]

A chad :) Thanks for the comment.

[@gustavchambert7072]

That really was more a question of good micro by the players than which army won imo.
If the player playing Pontus had withdrawn their general back behind their own lines after defeating the cataphracts, rather than going after the archers, that likely would have gone the other way.

[@iIiIiTGR777iIiIi]

Yeah. This type of videos is honestly pointless. The Pontic army was clearly superior. Comparing armies with these self-imposed rules where two units are just fighting each other head-on isn't indicative of anything.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

I'm guilty as charged. :) At the same time, I also think that archers may complicate things in these because if they manage to rally, they can dish quite significant damage in the end battle. Thanks for the comment.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

@@iIiIiTGR777iIiIi Thanks for the comment. Could you elaborate a bit? :)

[@iIiIiTGR777iIiIi]

@@qualityoldgames7721 I mean that there are armies that rely on their flexibility rather than just brute force, in particular factions with swift cavalry and chariots that require a lot of attention. The Greeks can just stand there with their armored hoplites who tank everything with their faces, so they're more suitable for this type of videos. Lots of other factions are at a great disadvantage under the same rules, they might require more flanking maneuvers, hit-and-run-tactics, etc. For some cavalry support is crucial, because not all infantry is meant to be played the same. The Greeks, as mentioned above, can win a war of attrition. Pontic Phalanx Pikemen, for example, are just good enough to pin the enemy infantry down long enough so that their much more powerful cavalry and chariots could deal some devastating damage. Or Thracian Falxmen, who hit like a truck, but they have to outflank the enemy units while those are kept busy by your phalanxes.
The game is so much more than "infantry attacks infantry and cav attacks cav".

[@qualityoldgames7721]

@@iIiIiTGR777iIiIi Fully agreed on that. These tests are always a simplification. Imo, quite often the player skills would play a major role if full tactics were allowed :) Thanks for the clarification.

[@napoleoncomplex2712]

I think the opposing general should be allowed to get involved if the other general is forced to intervene against flanking cavalry. The cavalry as set up at the moment have basically no chance of influencing the infantry battle, and the point of the general's bodyguard is to be a reserve of last resort. If you're forced to deploy that last resort before your opponent, you should be punished for that.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. Valid point. We need to consider this with Ankka :)

[@tldr7159]

I dont agree Pontus is the best here. Pontus used their general proactively. If the Armenian player did the same, and protected those catas after beating the capps, then they could have used the catas to smash the pikes one by one. The problem was the catas took a lot of losses from the pontus general and the armenian general was just idle, if the pontus general is active the armenian general should also be allowed to be active, then that general could have smashed the pontus general from behind.
Otherwise if both generals were only allowed to be idle the pontus army would be destroyed even faster due to the catas doing hammer and anvil tactics.
This whole battle imo comes down to that catas beats capps and will have enough troops left to smash the pikes.

[@mintmango2525]

At the begining of the battle you can see the Pontus cav charging while the Armenian cav isn't. If the armenian cav would have charged they would have taken way fewer losses.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. Valid points. These battles are kind of striking a balance between flexibility and rigid tactics :)

[@squishymusic9723]

Pontus and Armenia (and thrace) were my favourite factions to play ... of the rest. My favourites were greek, scipii and carthage.
Great plays at the end! Hero general!

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thank You! :) Though, I have to admit, that it did not go quite by the rules...

[@squishymusic9723]

@@qualityoldgames7721 Understandable heat of the moment thing 😅
*Hold my beer they said*

[@qualityoldgames7721]

@@squishymusic9723 :D

[@kormkor6390]

attests how terrible cappas are compared to catas, pontus really is cucked in general by having them instead, lol

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Agreed, the AP-alt attack of Catas is really powerful in this type of battles :) Thanks for the comment.

[@cpt.fisher7836]

I vote because of horse archers and horse catahracts :(

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Oh, this time no missile cav. I think having missile cav will make an interesting army battle, so I will do that in the future :) Thanks for the comment.

[@slimegoop9853]

That was just wrong. Pontus should have won.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

I think it won. I just got a bit too carried away in the battle ;) Thanks for the comment.

[@slimegoop9853]

@@qualityoldgames7721 also salty because I voted that Pontus would win 😂

[@qualityoldgames7721]

@@slimegoop9853 ;D

[@alitiner9967]

It was obvious that Pontus units performed better, only because you microed Armenian army won. Which made the whole battle pointless if the point was to measure how the two armies would perform under equal conditions.

[@rorschach1985ify]

Well I blame that on the Pontus player being a bit too micro heavy himself to start things off which I felt got QOG acting the same.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. I fully agree that Pontus is better here (as already conceded in the vid), with the exception of the cavalry. :)

[@qualityoldgames7721]

@@rorschach1985ify It seems I was triggered :D But tbh, I think Pontus was the faction winner here. Thanks for the comment.