Actually for me it sounds like a clever idea to build a super soldier robot to support the front lines that looks like that. You might say a scary robot is scary, but I think its much more scary to fight someone who seems to be a human but is actually an unkillable superweapon. Its also good for your troops morale if they not only get fire support from a weaponized fridge, but instead from something they can relate to and that spits out badass lines.
Alioth Ancalagon what about the brotherhood of steel in fallout 4 you side with them and you get a nuke chucking giant killer robot with a death laser that’s pretty much the same moral boost probably even greater with both being nearly immortal beings on your team while dressing a killer robot as Nathan Drake would be more of a relaxing sight to see for people being rescued instead of an Empire State Building sized robot
And if they could (at least initially) only make a small number of them it would make sense for them to look human because then the enemy would constantly have to guess "if I shoot this guy in the head, will he die or will he just turn around and kill me?"
I agree but also think the point Karl was trying to make about it not being bipedal was wrong, if you think about the human environment then a bipedal machine is the best thing for the modern environment as (assuming in the future there will be more major city and urban areas meaning even a robot must be better equipped for close quarters combat) we have evolved to build the environment to our suiting.
@@missivory_missraine An underwater city built for humans? if so I would assume that the best robot / war machine (outside of just blowing up the enire thing) would be human sized.
The real reason they used his face is from the Novel " Terminator: Future War" which was awesome... Skynet used the face and frame of Austrian special forces guy Von Detrich, who later becomes Sarah Connors husband.. The reason because his frame was the only one they had on file that was large enough to house the T800 frame after the initial Skynet takeover.. How the beginnings were portrayed was awesome..
Since John knew that Kyle Reece was his father and sent him back, to make sure Sarah lived and he was born then that means the only way that that could work is that she got married later in life after the events of T-2.
@Super Intendent Chalmers I know that channel. They would explain the theory as to why why Darth Vader ordered "no disintegrations" in Empire Strikes Back, by a convoluted backstory about how some bounty hunter in the past disintegrated a bounty that Vader wanted. When the truth is it's just a line Vader says in the script to imply that Boba is known to be trigger happy.
The scene in T2 where the Terminator tells Sarah and John about the origin of Skynet is less than two minutes long but it has more world building and back story than the entire running time of Terminator 3
The human hand is one of the most complicated parts of the human body to replicate (so that a machine can grab, pick up, etc). Think of how versatile and dexterous the human hand is; it can hold on to an axe and chop wood or build delicate and precise clocks. If you had an example of how to replicate the human hand, with all it's intricacies, and the chip that mimics the human mind and figured out their protocol you are a skip away from a human body. Just extend what you learned from the hand to feet, knees, etc.
m8, no matter how hard it is to design a mechatronically reasonable hand, it's child's play compared to: 1)Materials science and engineering behind the alloy used in terminators, that is pretty good at withstanding a grenade launcher rounds ( as shown in T4, and if we consider that in T4 John Connor wasn't a complete bloody idiot, those were actually AP-rounds ). 2)power source that can either store a shitton of energy as it is, or an incredibly effective engine system rivaling small power plants. 3)A super computer in it's head that makes all the difference between a human and a god. It doesn't matter how great you are, even by modern standarts computers have over 10^20 times the human reactions ( and i remind you that ultimate best super human genious can be without any warhammer 40kish genetic engineering is 200ms reaction time ), while your brain will be understanding that you actually see a terminator, it will learn and categorize every micro movement in your body to an extent of beeing capable of predicting your actions without any necessity for psychological profile of any sorts, just by having lightning fast reactions. The Chip however would be a true gold mine depending on how badly damaged it was. Replecating and reverse engineering a terminator hand would only give you mild improvement in certain areas of mechatronics and cybernetics, as well as materials science. Replecating the chip gives you a supercomputer that can come up with materials / power source / schematics on his own.
@@comochinganconesto Well mostly right, cause no matter how stupid it sounds, hands are a bit overrated ( LOL ) at least in comparison to super computers
@@jessiej6017 hands are good at operating things that humans designed to be operated by humans, that's why the US is working on building humanoid robots, so they can go in like nuclear power plant meltdown sites and shut stuff down, areas where humans would be killed by the rads but where things need humanoid features to operate, like valves and stairs and doors
@@spaghettitheyoloking4297 Nah he would've been just as programmed as Arnie's T-800. The T-800 is the endoskeleton Model 101 is the skin, Columbo was definitely a different model, but same series. This is before the whole T-X, and Machine/hybrid bullshit. As Kyle Reese mentioned, the T-600 series had rubber skin, so they were able to spot them easy. The fact that Franco Columbo's Terminator was able to infiltrate the underground compound, easily proves he was a T-800. Even the eyes when he's blasting mofo's prove otherwise.
It actually DOES make sense to make it look like a human if it's on the front lines. The enemy might try to use weaponry that only works on humans, wasting their time and resources.
Wouldn’t that only work once or twice though once the enemy figures out that if a soldier looks like Schwarzenegger they’ll know not to waste conventional weapons on it
Making it look human would also make it more acceptable for use with friendly troops. If they're meant to be used with friendlies then having it look like a scary metal skeleton is going to unnerve your troops as well as the enemy. And, if they're scattered throughout random units as a sort force multiplier, hiding their true nature allows them to be more effective for longer and doesn't make it an immediate target if it was just an endoskeleton.
Exactly, and they keep sending this skin because of its relation with the Connors, especially John, who helped reprogram the one from T2 and send back, because of his history with the machine. Same with 3, except it was his wife, same skin, but also because Skynet knew this too and did the same in the future, same skin, John even hesitated and got killed because of it.
@@sic6664 yeah after some rewatching and researching I already found that I asked a stupid question. I mean there is this one terminator in the future who kills the resistance cell and looks like one of Arnold's gym buddy's in terminator 1
I like the fanfic theory that the terminator is modeled after Dutch after he killed the predator because it makes sense that America would develop a machine to take on an alien invasion.
Oh god that's the best explanation I've heard so far. The US military knows aliens are a thing, have a bit of materials edge (hence hyper-alloy and plasma weapons) and design an AI to deal with the expected long term alien threat, only it all goes wrong before then. Heck, base idea for a Preadator/Terminator crossover story right there. Predator shows up to hunt on Earth, the Terminator infiltrator drops it's 'kill the humans' plan for the overriding 'KILL THE ALIEN AND GET ME IT'S STUFF!' orders built into Skynet from the start. Edit: Hell if you think about it, those plasma weapons were developed awful fast, almost as if they had reports/data on a weapon firing phased plasma or something...
Just because they have the research doesn't mean they have the materials. It's possible that they needed to build up the predecessors of the T-1000 to have all the stuff needed to make it. Or they were still working on it, and pushed out their preliminary work while still working on it. Imagine if someone for the 1800s got a schematic for a modern car. They wouldn't be able to make it right away. And why not sell the in-between parts? There's actually an episode of Star Trek Voyager like this. Turns out, the reason why we have much more advanced computers in the 1990s than Star Trek did is a guy copied plans from 29th century plans. But they have time machines, while the best he can get out of them is modern computers.
@@michelangelo5903 Short summary: Voyager has a time travel episode where a time traversing ship ends up back in the 1990's or so and a business person studies it, leading to the modern computer boom, because while he had all this super future tech, reverse engineering with such a huge gap is a many step process.
What I love is that in Last Action Hero, Stallone played the Terminator in the film world, so it's possible that he played those roles in the Terminator universe.
Thank god you mentioned the novels. People always forget the novels, even though they tend to make as much or more sense than the movies after T2 and the franchise has apparently decided everything is canon now.
It used to. Mostly. I mean it all ran on the Grandfather Paradox and the books were always really dubious, but since T3 everything went nuts with time travel retconns.
I'm sure when Arnie read this part of the script, he was laughing his arse off. He's got a great sense of humour, and can laugh at himself, having his voice dubbed by Samuel L. Jackson is one of the funniest things I've heard from the franchise yet
One thing the human, bipedal frame has over any other form, is the ability to move anywhere. A drone with guns would not be able to go underground unless there was a LOT of space, as you pointed out with the corridor. A tank is not very good, or totally incapable, of climbing stairs and certain slopes are too steep too. The human frame is capable of moving through/across anything. Even now, the military and robotics companies are working on bipedal robots and 'mechs. Presumably for that reason, bepedal locomotion is capable of traversing a much wider range of terrains than tracks, wheels, hover or flight. Each form is powerful for what it can do, but only bipedal is capable of multiples. At least, that is how I understand it. Think I saw some article along these lines somewhere, or something like that.
@@VisonsofFalseTruths You are a lot closer than I with this. I was thinking about exoskeletal, powered armour as well as the robots from BD and sci-fi 'mechs. Or I should have been. They are certainly the near future. And yes, the robots in support roles makes more sense. Thank you.
A buddy comedy: Sargent Candy (Arnold Swartzenhager) and his younger brother (Robert Patrick) go on a cross country road trip to find a replacement of the truck they crashed into the Los Angeles river before their mother (kristina loken) and their father (sam worthington) ground them before they can can go to their friend's birthday party (gabriel luna) where they might get laid.
T800 Cyberdyne Systems Model 101. Model 101 is Arnold. So there are 998 other different looks for the T800 Series at least, we do not know if it goes into 4 or more digits.
Making your kill bot look like a kill bot might be scary, but it also makes it super easy for a human to kill it. Even if you know what looks like a human is a kill-bot, empathy can still stand in the way for most humans, making that a very good strategic tool. Also, it has a comforting effect to its allies not to look like a skeletal murder-bot too.
We don't know how damaged was the chassis of the original T-800. Maybe it still resembled a human skeleton after they realeased the hydraulic press and examined it.
Since you brought up Johnny-Five a couple times in this video: If Terminator took place in the same universe as Short Circuit, how would Johnny-Five have handled the Judgement Day, when all computers became sentient and part of Skynet? Johnny was "alive," but was still functionally a robot that can interface with computers... so? Team Humans? Team Skynet?
Team Humans: (1)Johnny would ensure his ethics subroutine/soul would override Skynet. (2)His creator Newton Crosby would send his girlfriend Stephanie Speck back to 1986 to lockdown the time line in Oregon. Funfact Lt. Ed Traxler (Paul Winfield) is from Portland and Los Angeles. (3) CEO Howard Marner at Nova would rebuild and upgrade Johnny's "duplicate". And put Scroeder in his own security's custody for interference. (4)Ben Jabituya will hack into Skynet with disinfo. Fred would sabotage the Hunter Killers & Terminators. While fastalking Cyberdyne execs as a distraction. Oscar's former goons also join in to avoid prison sentences. And number (5) 😉 Johnny's matrix (like a virus) will Trojan horse the Pentagon CPU's. From step number (1), they will continue to loop requesting "INPUT" before interfacing with Skynet.
I was just thinking about this today. Both in regards to Terminator and the Alien franchise (and no doubt others)... the original movies give the hint of being set within an incredibly rich universe. But the more you think about those films, the less their universes make sense. Hence when subsequent films try to give more and more details about their universe, it all just unravels.
CJ Lange basically like 90% of moves from 2018 lol can you spell sellouts? good 80’s movies definitely will hold up better then most of the new garbage that’s coming out (personally i think so)
How about the fact that in Terminator 3 Arnold says judgement day is inevitable. So why send terminators back in time to prevent something that is inevitable.
@@stevenserial4080 To delay it more and more. He says you can delay Judgement Day. Theoretically, you can keep delaying Judgement Day until it's so far into the future that it's barely inevitable at all.
But isn't that the point of the movie though? If we got a trained since childhood Sarah Connor preparing for the imminent arrival of the original Terminator, the original T-800 should be easily dispatched. It's probably because I'm a 90s kid so I'm not that nostalgic for T1 and T2, but I personally enjoyed Genisys for what it was: a reboot trying to improve on the original. It failed spectacularly but I think the marketing for me is one of the main issues for its failure. If they didn't reveal the twist in the trailers I think it might've been better received.
yeah they left in the scene of him putting on cheap pink glittery star shaped sunglasses. It wouldn't have been out of place for the William Candy scene.
Despite the horrendous execution, I felt there was great potential to expand on the human Arnold story of Terminator where the human used to replicate the Terminator is either determined to destroy his replicas or is the evil mastermind who created the Terminators to achieve immortality.
Actually, that was part of the Universal Terminator movie experience they did in 3D back in the day, hence why Arnold looks so much younger vs. him in the actual movie
This is also what happened to the guy who actually played Vader, like, in the flesh. They had him dubbed by James Earl Jones. He actually spoke most of the lines, they just cut him out.
It could be like a paradox thing, where they got inspiration for the T-800 from a guy that was actually a time travelling T-800, that was inspired by a guy that was actually a time travelling T-800, that was inspired by...
I believe you are incorrect about William Candy's voice. Arnold's accent, at this point, is part of his brand. He can speak in a fully Americanized accent, and he put on a ridiculous southern accent for William Candy, then used his branded accent for the ADR when they dubbed the extra.
the pinnacle part is the fact that they are artificial intelligence and don't have to be controlled which is actually a huge advancement for computer science. that they would trust robots to fight on battlefields. It is literally so cool if that happened.(sorry for nerding out) 2:21
Yeah, I think Mr Candy being a real person breaks the lore pretty hard. But one reason why they might have the plans for the t-800 but they start with the t-1 is because they're still working on replicating the technology. So just because you know what the final design is and all the parts that make it doesn't mean you have the tech to make all those parts, you have to figure out that bit yourself. It's why right now one company can make 3 micron transistors and another company can only make 7 micron transistors. But also in Terminator 2 they destroy the hand, the chip and Cyberdine's research which basically means Mr Candy isn't canon and like you said, Sky Net which is super smart, simply built it's own robots. I think what Terminator 3 should have done instead is put in a scene where they show a facility that can supply, repair and build itself using cutting edge Sky Net AI which would explain how sky net was then able to do all this stuff itself.
I hope that one day there will be a video on Robot Wars and possibly banned robots because they were too strong for even the house robots to deal with. 'That one time a robot got banned on a TV Show because it was too strong.'
Dont forget that in Terminator 1 there was a flashback scene with a different person killing resistance fighters in the base as an infiltrater so there is other faces Skynet used.
To answer your question about how they got the terminator idea from just an arm and a chip the T2 comic, Cybernetic Dawn, there was another company working on the more physical side of the machines while Dyson worked on the mind. They had 27 terminator's that had failed in there arrivals for various reasons, most being that Skynet was trying to perfect the time travel formula so they'd just send Terminator units as guinea pigs, Most of which either ended up partly melted or teleported into solid matter, such as one that was phased into a pillar.
personal theory involving that scene: from a design standpoint, using Sgt. Candy as the base for the biped model actually works (in some ways). Cyberdyne had enough information to START work on the bipedal model but not enough to actually finish it, which is why they started with the T-1. The T-800 team decided to use the Sgt. for the baseline designs to fix/finish the design. As for why Skynet would choose to use the designs when it took over, basic efficency. The plans were already mostly complete so it would be easier to finish/upgrade then to start from scratch, especially when building infiltration models. Also, the T-1 was probally built as a low cost mass production model. Easy to build, cheap components, stuff like that. The T-800 would be a more expensive combat model, not as easy to make but more effective to use. Probally use would be military missions where mobility and dexterity are highly recommended, such as stealth missions or any mission where special forces would be required.
Something else to add is that this scene did make it into the videogame that follows how the reprogrammed T-800 gets to the past. It's still an Easter egg that you unlock via a pickup and how I managed to learn about this deleted scene.
Fun fact: Arnie offered to do the Austrian dub of terminator 2 but it turns out that the Austrians were like "hey Arnie um... your accent is too rural for the dub so we're gonna pass on ur offer"
I heard they chose “Arnold” because terminator universe shares the same universe as aliens and predator. So from the predator movie with “Arnold” in it. His character was chosen because he defeated a predator. They deemed that character as being the ultimate human specimen to design the terminators after. Also, people asked the question “where does the terminator universe even start from?” I’ve heard that terminators and skynet were originally created aside from being a defense against human enemies, but also predators. I don’t know if any of that’s canon, but that’s what I’ve heard from hardcore fans.
There are a lot of good points but I have an explanation for the existence of the T1. They needed to push stuff out of the production line, so even though they were extracting the plan and inner workings of the T-800 they were using the pieces to create stuff they could push out and keep the money coming.
I assumed the scene with Candy was just a ploy to excuse the sudden jump in design between the T1 and 800. Like, “We have this really advanced, semi-complete blueprint for a robot that we have no idea who designed. How can we make an excuse to start building it with out people thinking too hard? Let’s just start a robot building program, pretend to build some prototypes and really try to fit all the pieces together for the actual design on the side.”
My theory is they had the bi-pedal models already but had to bluff the investors funding them so they wouldn't ask too many questions "It's impressive and all, but how did you get this advanced of robotics technology (overnight)?"
I watched terminator 3 on premier night, and on the scene where theres some robots on a hallway and the gobernator falls from the ceiling as a surprise mofo move the electricity went out on the teather right as he hit the floor, it was the most confusing and concerning thing that ever happened to me in a movie teather, specially because the backup lights took a couple seconds to turn ON XD
Haha, yeah. I saw that with the weird Arnie voice. I couldn't stop thinking of how far Terminator deleted scenes fell, going from the one in T2 with Sarah Connor's real life sister (I think) in the "mirror" that they used so they could film a walk around shot without having the camera show up in the "mirror."
But the most powrful terminator is a enourmous drone like robot, as you can see in the beginning of Terminator 1. T800 is merely for infiltration, which means going to the past and going unnoticed.
The T1 is the smaller version of those huge ones you see in the flashback scenes in the previous movies out on the battlefield. They aren't early terminator models leading up to Arnie versions.
If you read the book the T-1 has spots for faces to added to it for psychological warfare. In a comic they actually replace a T-1’s face mask with the terminator’s skin and when it was placed it flopped, smudged up the lenses and pretty much caused it to go blind... they pretty much just slit cut the wires :/ basically Fallout 4 when you put a hockey mask on a robot
The actor Schwarzenegger dubbed over is Jack Noseworthy, probably best known for supporting roles in Breakdown and U-571. He appeared in the scene as a favor for the director.
For having the human face and body of a human, it would actually be somewhat better if you went to peacekeeping missions as well. You also have the other origins for the Model 101 human look, the T2: John Connor Chronicles has Skynet basing the model off of the recordings from the movies where he caused chaos. As for the reason for the T1, well, you might also not have the tech to reproduce it or the full data on building the upper versions...
I think during the original T1 or T2 timeline. They use Arnie body model because of the time period. Partially because, after the events of judgement day all the able bodied man we sent out to fight, having a Arnie bot model may give the impression to the resistance that he is a regular soldier or something
As a theory CRS could have despite having the plans for the t 800 been incapable of making the parts for it. Also even if they could build it it would only hurt their business as business in based on growth so they may have wanted to slowly add the advanced components one at a time to successive models to ensure steady improvement and growth that way by the time they released the full t 800 they would have a deep understanding as to how it worked and could therefore improve upon the model once it was released for later revisions .
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The way this guy holds his coffee pisses me off
The correct way or the fact he's putting his hand underneath the mug?
Tripper flipper both, really gets my blood boiling
@@cloudgamer178 lmao I can understand that even if it's ridiculous.
CloudGamer17 lmao Karl pinned this, what a legend
Why? Seems normal to me
My personal headcanon: The T-800 looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger because Skynet has seen the film Commando.
I'd buy that theory lol probably thought John Matrix was the most untouchable soldier in human history.
Please would make sense when you consider he steals his catchphrases too. Hmmmm
@@johncastle1984 Major Alan "Dutch" Schaefer.
@@MrJturner74 like Cylons.
Bruh moment
Actually for me it sounds like a clever idea to build a super soldier robot to support the front lines that looks like that.
You might say a scary robot is scary, but I think its much more scary to fight someone who seems to be a human but is actually an unkillable superweapon.
Its also good for your troops morale if they not only get fire support from a weaponized fridge, but instead from something they can relate to and that spits out badass lines.
Alioth Ancalagon what about the brotherhood of steel in fallout 4 you side with them and you get a nuke chucking giant killer robot with a death laser that’s pretty much the same moral boost probably even greater with both being nearly immortal beings on your team while dressing a killer robot as Nathan Drake would be more of a relaxing sight to see for people being rescued instead of an Empire State Building sized robot
And if they could (at least initially) only make a small number of them it would make sense for them to look human because then the enemy would constantly have to guess "if I shoot this guy in the head, will he die or will he just turn around and kill me?"
I agree but also think the point Karl was trying to make about it not being bipedal was wrong, if you think about the human environment then a bipedal machine is the best thing for the modern environment as (assuming in the future there will be more major city and urban areas meaning even a robot must be better equipped for close quarters combat) we have evolved to build the environment to our suiting.
@@zebidybob Until it comes to the ocean. No underwater cities yet.
@@missivory_missraine An underwater city built for humans? if so I would assume that the best robot / war machine (outside of just blowing up the enire thing) would be human sized.
The real reason they used his face is from the Novel " Terminator: Future War" which was awesome... Skynet used the face and frame of Austrian special forces guy Von Detrich, who later becomes Sarah Connors husband.. The reason because his frame was the only one they had on file that was large enough to house the T800 frame after the initial Skynet takeover.. How the beginnings were portrayed was awesome..
Yessss! Thank you.
Well that fucks up the timeline of T1 and T2
@@mgtowchampion7961 how come?
@@AbeEdits0 in what terminator movie does Sarah marry anyone ? If it is not a terminator movie it is not cannon
Since John knew that Kyle Reece was his father and sent him back, to make sure Sarah lived and he was born then that means the only way that that could work is that she got married later in life after the events of T-2.
They could have also did the Nvidia naming scheme
T1
T2
T5
T5X
T9
T100
T200
T300
T560ti
T800
Ya I was thinking the same thing.
Then jumping between gtx1080 all the way to gtx2060
@@chikenugets9165 ya im still confused about that one.
No gtx 770?
You forgot Ti86
It looks like Arnold because he was cast as the Terminator.
Seems accurate
That IS stupid.
@Super Intendent Chalmers so what?
Can't get nothin pass u 🙄
@Super Intendent Chalmers I know that channel. They would explain the theory as to why why Darth Vader ordered "no disintegrations" in Empire Strikes Back, by a convoluted backstory about how some bounty hunter in the past disintegrated a bounty that Vader wanted. When the truth is it's just a line Vader says in the script to imply that Boba is known to be trigger happy.
The scene in T2 where the Terminator tells Sarah and John about the origin of Skynet is less than two minutes long but it has more world building and back story than the entire running time of Terminator 3
The human hand is one of the most complicated parts of the human body to replicate (so that a machine can grab, pick up, etc). Think of how versatile and dexterous the human hand is; it can hold on to an axe and chop wood or build delicate and precise clocks.
If you had an example of how to replicate the human hand, with all it's intricacies, and the chip that mimics the human mind and figured out their protocol you are a skip away from a human body. Just extend what you learned from the hand to feet, knees, etc.
It is a very exciting concept.
m8, no matter how hard it is to design a mechatronically reasonable hand, it's child's play compared to:
1)Materials science and engineering behind the alloy used in terminators, that is pretty good at withstanding a grenade launcher rounds ( as shown in T4, and if we consider that in T4 John Connor wasn't a complete bloody idiot, those were actually AP-rounds ).
2)power source that can either store a shitton of energy as it is, or an incredibly effective engine system rivaling small power plants.
3)A super computer in it's head that makes all the difference between a human and a god. It doesn't matter how great you are, even by modern standarts computers have over 10^20 times the human reactions ( and i remind you that ultimate best super human genious can be without any warhammer 40kish genetic engineering is 200ms reaction time ), while your brain will be understanding that you actually see a terminator, it will learn and categorize every micro movement in your body to an extent of beeing capable of predicting your actions without any necessity for psychological profile of any sorts, just by having lightning fast reactions.
The Chip however would be a true gold mine depending on how badly damaged it was.
Replecating and reverse engineering a terminator hand would only give you mild improvement in certain areas of mechatronics and cybernetics, as well as materials science.
Replecating the chip gives you a supercomputer that can come up with materials / power source / schematics on his own.
@@jessiej6017 Man!, that was a long winded way of telling me I'm right.
@@comochinganconesto Well mostly right, cause no matter how stupid it sounds, hands are a bit overrated ( LOL ) at least in comparison to super computers
@@jessiej6017 hands are good at operating things that humans designed to be operated by humans, that's why the US is working on building humanoid robots, so they can go in like nuclear power plant meltdown sites and shut stuff down, areas where humans would be killed by the rads but where things need humanoid features to operate, like valves and stairs and doors
The T-800 is the Endoskeleton
Model: 101 looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger
Model: 102 looks like someone else, probably Franco Columbo
Which model would give us chuck norris and Stallone?
Broken Lord Of Cinder model 155 & 168
Columbo would actually be model 100. He was inferior to 101.
I think model number only means flesh frame
The T-number series determine the technological advancement
@@spaghettitheyoloking4297 Nah he would've been just as programmed as Arnie's T-800.
The T-800 is the endoskeleton
Model 101 is the skin, Columbo was definitely a different model, but same series. This is before the whole T-X, and Machine/hybrid bullshit.
As Kyle Reese mentioned, the T-600 series had rubber skin, so they were able to spot them easy. The fact that Franco Columbo's Terminator was able to infiltrate the underground compound, easily proves he was a T-800. Even the eyes when he's blasting mofo's prove otherwise.
The T-2 is actually the gun with legs from the borderlands 3 trailer.
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It actually DOES make sense to make it look like a human if it's on the front lines. The enemy might try to use weaponry that only works on humans, wasting their time and resources.
And remember that in the flash back scenes, many of the foot soldiers who were sweeping the area didn't have or need flesh.
Wouldn’t that only work once or twice though once the enemy figures out that if a soldier looks like Schwarzenegger they’ll know not to waste conventional weapons on it
Making it look human would also make it more acceptable for use with friendly troops. If they're meant to be used with friendlies then having it look like a scary metal skeleton is going to unnerve your troops as well as the enemy. And, if they're scattered throughout random units as a sort force multiplier, hiding their true nature allows them to be more effective for longer and doesn't make it an immediate target if it was just an endoskeleton.
T-800 is a series of robot, “Arnold” is just a type of it. There are many other T-800 types that doesn’t looks like him.
TRASHY GAMING is that actually true or a Mortal Kombat reference?
Der Kaffeenator if you’ve watched terminator 2 he describes himself as model 101.
Exactly, and they keep sending this skin because of its relation with the Connors, especially John, who helped reprogram the one from T2 and send back, because of his history with the machine. Same with 3, except it was his wife, same skin, but also because Skynet knew this too and did the same in the future, same skin, John even hesitated and got killed because of it.
@@derkaffeenator9172 Mortal Kombat reference..? Have you seen the movies at all? He is referenced as Cyberdyne systems model 101 several times.
@@sic6664 yeah after some rewatching and researching I already found that I asked a stupid question. I mean there is this one terminator in the future who kills the resistance cell and looks like one of Arnold's gym buddy's in terminator 1
I think the directors were trolling with this scene but Hollywood wasn’t ready for trolling yet.? That’s why it got cut
Yes..it was very Robocop
@@chargeriderepeat7024 All the campy stuff from Robocop 3 plus Mortal combat 2 added together does not patch the raw stupid power of this scene.
I like the fanfic theory that the terminator is modeled after Dutch after he killed the predator because it makes sense that America would develop a machine to take on an alien invasion.
Oh god that's the best explanation I've heard so far. The US military knows aliens are a thing, have a bit of materials edge (hence hyper-alloy and plasma weapons) and design an AI to deal with the expected long term alien threat, only it all goes wrong before then. Heck, base idea for a Preadator/Terminator crossover story right there. Predator shows up to hunt on Earth, the Terminator infiltrator drops it's 'kill the humans' plan for the overriding 'KILL THE ALIEN AND GET ME IT'S STUFF!' orders built into Skynet from the start.
Edit: Hell if you think about it, those plasma weapons were developed awful fast, almost as if they had reports/data on a weapon firing phased plasma or something...
Dutch is a prototype terminator hence shrugging off the blast to the chest and no heat signature
This is now my canon.
Just because they have the research doesn't mean they have the materials. It's possible that they needed to build up the predecessors of the T-1000 to have all the stuff needed to make it. Or they were still working on it, and pushed out their preliminary work while still working on it.
Imagine if someone for the 1800s got a schematic for a modern car. They wouldn't be able to make it right away. And why not sell the in-between parts?
There's actually an episode of Star Trek Voyager like this. Turns out, the reason why we have much more advanced computers in the 1990s than Star Trek did is a guy copied plans from 29th century plans. But they have time machines, while the best he can get out of them is modern computers.
ZipplyZane damn that last part is crazy! i can’t comprehend it but i’m trying to lol (i never watched star trek)
@@michelangelo5903 Short summary: Voyager has a time travel episode where a time traversing ship ends up back in the 1990's or so and a business person studies it, leading to the modern computer boom, because while he had all this super future tech, reverse engineering with such a huge gap is a many step process.
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The mention of Sir Killalot made me very happy :) A video on Robot Wars would be fantastic
Because Arnold Schwarzenegger immortalized himself as the T-800.
Or: ... Skynet watched Commando and Predator, then thought, “Hey, why not use this guy as a skin template for our T-800s!”
"This guy looks like a badass soldier, right?"
What I love is that in Last Action Hero, Stallone played the Terminator in the film world, so it's possible that he played those roles in the Terminator universe.
@@ninjabluefyre3815 he was considered, so is Lance Henriksen. There's a concept art of him as the Terminator.
Actually it was mentioned in the wikis that skynet just chose a human frame large enough to properly hide the endoskeleton
No wonder the only 2 T 800 models we ever saw were bodybuilders
They should have used Don Knotts for the Terminator, nobody would have suspected him to be an unstoppable cyborg🤖🤖🤖😎😎😎🔫💪🦅
That's a pretty good idea. He'd certainly be the least expected Terminator of all time.
No one suspected OJ's terminator abilities.
Still pissed I missed the LA meet up. ..... .... Ok, now I'm over it.
Same
Thank god you mentioned the novels. People always forget the novels, even though they tend to make as much or more sense than the movies after T2 and the franchise has apparently decided everything is canon now.
It used to. Mostly. I mean it all ran on the Grandfather Paradox and the books were always really dubious, but since T3 everything went nuts with time travel retconns.
Terminator, T-800 is the SERIES Number, Arnold is the Model Number 101.
I'm sure when Arnie read this part of the script, he was laughing his arse off. He's got a great sense of humour, and can laugh at himself, having his voice dubbed by Samuel L. Jackson is one of the funniest things I've heard from the franchise yet
One thing the human, bipedal frame has over any other form, is the ability to move anywhere. A drone with guns would not be able to go underground unless there was a LOT of space, as you pointed out with the corridor. A tank is not very good, or totally incapable, of climbing stairs and certain slopes are too steep too. The human frame is capable of moving through/across anything. Even now, the military and robotics companies are working on bipedal robots and 'mechs. Presumably for that reason, bepedal locomotion is capable of traversing a much wider range of terrains than tracks, wheels, hover or flight. Each form is powerful for what it can do, but only bipedal is capable of multiples.
At least, that is how I understand it. Think I saw some article along these lines somewhere, or something like that.
@@VisonsofFalseTruths You are a lot closer than I with this. I was thinking about exoskeletal, powered armour as well as the robots from BD and sci-fi 'mechs. Or I should have been. They are certainly the near future. And yes, the robots in support roles makes more sense. Thank you.
-Be Cyberdyne Systems
-Put an angry looking skull face on your robot
-Hope everything will be just fine
Can we make this backstory of Candy the next terminator movie
A buddy comedy: Sargent Candy (Arnold Swartzenhager) and his younger brother (Robert Patrick) go on a cross country road trip to find a replacement of the truck they crashed into the Los Angeles river before their mother (kristina loken) and their father (sam worthington) ground them before they can can go to their friend's birthday party (gabriel luna) where they might get laid.
Terminator:
cuts the unnecessary Easter egg scene that brakes its own lore.
Harry potter:
Makes 5 films
T800 Cyberdyne Systems Model 101. Model 101 is Arnold. So there are 998 other different looks for the T800 Series at least, we do not know if it goes into 4 or more digits.
Making your kill bot look like a kill bot might be scary, but it also makes it super easy for a human to kill it. Even if you know what looks like a human is a kill-bot, empathy can still stand in the way for most humans, making that a very good strategic tool. Also, it has a comforting effect to its allies not to look like a skeletal murder-bot too.
We don't know how damaged was the chassis of the original T-800. Maybe it still resembled a human skeleton after they realeased the hydraulic press and examined it.
@Daniel Dimov That's what happened in T-2 through conversation in the Dyson house. The only thing left was a broken cpu and the forearm.
@@riopato2009 yeah but wtf happened to the rest of it???
I’ve heard a theory that the terminator looks like that as a homage to Arnold Schwarzenegger, the actor that plays him
Since you brought up Johnny-Five a couple times in this video:
If Terminator took place in the same universe as Short Circuit, how would Johnny-Five have handled the Judgement Day, when all computers became sentient and part of Skynet?
Johnny was "alive," but was still functionally a robot that can interface with computers... so?
Team Humans? Team Skynet?
Team Humans: (1)Johnny would ensure his ethics subroutine/soul would override Skynet. (2)His creator Newton Crosby would send his girlfriend Stephanie Speck back to 1986 to lockdown the time line in Oregon. Funfact Lt. Ed Traxler (Paul Winfield) is from Portland and Los Angeles.
(3) CEO Howard Marner at Nova would rebuild and upgrade Johnny's "duplicate". And put Scroeder in his own security's custody for interference. (4)Ben Jabituya will hack into Skynet with disinfo. Fred would sabotage the Hunter Killers & Terminators. While fastalking Cyberdyne execs as a distraction. Oscar's former goons also join in to avoid prison sentences.
And number (5) 😉
Johnny's matrix (like a virus) will Trojan horse the Pentagon CPU's. From step number (1), they will continue to loop requesting "INPUT" before interfacing with Skynet.
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The reasong they didnt go straight to the T800 was that they were waiting for Scotty to come back & invent Transparent Aluminium.
Didn't they have a other Terminator played by Franco Columbu in terminator 1
It seems like the more we learn of the terminator universe the dumber it seems to be.
Well, it is an 80s action movie. It's not exactly a genre known for intelligence.
I was just thinking about this today. Both in regards to Terminator and the Alien franchise (and no doubt others)... the original movies give the hint of being set within an incredibly rich universe. But the more you think about those films, the less their universes make sense.
Hence when subsequent films try to give more and more details about their universe, it all just unravels.
CJ Lange basically like 90% of moves from 2018 lol can you spell sellouts? good 80’s movies definitely will hold up better then most of the new garbage that’s coming out (personally i think so)
How about the fact that in Terminator 3 Arnold says judgement day is inevitable. So why send terminators back in time to prevent something that is inevitable.
@@stevenserial4080 To delay it more and more. He says you can delay Judgement Day. Theoretically, you can keep delaying Judgement Day until it's so far into the future that it's barely inevitable at all.
I hated the part in “Terminator: Genisys” where the 1984 Terminator was stopped before it killed anyone. Talk about ruining the universe.
But isn't that the point of the movie though? If we got a trained since childhood Sarah Connor preparing for the imminent arrival of the original Terminator, the original T-800 should be easily dispatched.
It's probably because I'm a 90s kid so I'm not that nostalgic for T1 and T2, but I personally enjoyed Genisys for what it was: a reboot trying to improve on the original. It failed spectacularly but I think the marketing for me is one of the main issues for its failure. If they didn't reveal the twist in the trailers I think it might've been better received.
@@technicalleon Could at least gutted the Bill Paxton stand in.
But that IS the pinnacle of military robotics at the moment
I honestly think they should have left that wacky scene in the movie.
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yeah they left in the scene of him putting on cheap pink glittery star shaped sunglasses. It wouldn't have been out of place for the William Candy scene.
Because Arnold Schwarzenegger was the actor for the terminator
Now i know where borderlands 3 got their gun with legs from
Despite the horrendous execution, I felt there was great potential to expand on the human Arnold story of Terminator where the human used to replicate the Terminator is either determined to destroy his replicas or is the evil mastermind who created the Terminators to achieve immortality.
So no one is going to mention how terrifying it is to hear Arnold without the Austrian accent?
Actually, that was part of the Universal Terminator movie experience they did in 3D back in the day, hence why Arnold looks so much younger vs. him in the actual movie
I'd rather that Skynet based the T-100 off of Dutch, because of some awesome Predator vs Terminator film we'll never see!!!
Some AVP-verse is shared with a terminator verse
Nothing better than getting home from school and watching Karl go on his many tangents
Your forgetting the hunter tanks from t1 hint hint that would be the precursor just saying.
This is also what happened to the guy who actually played Vader, like, in the flesh. They had him dubbed by James Earl Jones. He actually spoke most of the lines, they just cut him out.
Minnie Shoof that was always the plan though, darth vader with a broad Bristolian accent would be hilarious.
And that's why James Cameron just wants to ignore T3 and all following entries in the Franchise.
It could be like a paradox thing, where they got inspiration for the T-800 from a guy that was actually a time travelling T-800, that was inspired by a guy that was actually a time travelling T-800, that was inspired by...
I believe you are incorrect about William Candy's voice.
Arnold's accent, at this point, is part of his brand.
He can speak in a fully Americanized accent, and he put on a ridiculous southern accent for William Candy, then used his branded accent for the ADR when they dubbed the extra.
Arnold cant do a southern accent
I love how much effort you guys pit into all your videos
is T-209 just ed 209 from robocop
Ted-209
And Bishop from Aliens is the offspring of T-X model
"A jhonny five piece of made in china shit"
When that burn is hotter than the molten metal.
I just watched your other terminator video
Which one would that be? It's been a while for me
Plot twist: William Candy is a terminator sent back to oversee the construction of skynet
Thankfully it WAS deleted
Sergeant William Candy?
"The Terminator is Powered By Candy" confirmed.
The T-0 is an Alexa and a gun on a roomba
the pinnacle part is the fact that they are artificial intelligence and don't have to be controlled which is actually a huge advancement for computer science. that they would trust robots to fight on battlefields. It is literally so cool if that happened.(sorry for nerding out) 2:21
The Terminator I.e. Arnold, was designed for infiltration.
Yeah! The T-800 was designed for covert ops on the resistance. And I guess actual flesh works better for that then rubber, eh T-600? :P
Yeah, I think Mr Candy being a real person breaks the lore pretty hard. But one reason why they might have the plans for the t-800 but they start with the t-1 is because they're still working on replicating the technology. So just because you know what the final design is and all the parts that make it doesn't mean you have the tech to make all those parts, you have to figure out that bit yourself. It's why right now one company can make 3 micron transistors and another company can only make 7 micron transistors.
But also in Terminator 2 they destroy the hand, the chip and Cyberdine's research which basically means Mr Candy isn't canon and like you said, Sky Net which is super smart, simply built it's own robots. I think what Terminator 3 should have done instead is put in a scene where they show a facility that can supply, repair and build itself using cutting edge Sky Net AI which would explain how sky net was then able to do all this stuff itself.
I'm kinda sad it's not a drinking video guess I'll wait til Friday
I hope that one day there will be a video on Robot Wars and possibly banned robots because they were too strong for even the house robots to deal with.
'That one time a robot got banned on a TV Show because it was too strong.'
Any info on banned robots? If Hypnodisc was a-OK I dread to think what was rejected.
@@19822andy That's kind of the point.
I always thought the T-1 looked like the robot from the bad 1998 Lost in Space movie
T-1 to me looks like the Cerberus drone in call of duty with the tracks and duo miniguns
Hey, that was a decent movie.
Dont forget that in Terminator 1 there was a flashback scene with a different person killing resistance fighters in the base as an infiltrater so there is other faces Skynet used.
That's why they deleted the scene, it made no since
Just like your english
William Candy must have known what David Prowse felt like....
"And NOW the circle is complete...."
Hasta la Windows Vista
Can’t wait for that 50 minute raw cut, great vid as usual guys
To answer your question about how they got the terminator idea from just an arm and a chip the T2 comic, Cybernetic Dawn, there was another company working on the more physical side of the machines while Dyson worked on the mind. They had 27 terminator's that had failed in there arrivals for various reasons, most being that Skynet was trying to perfect the time travel formula so they'd just send Terminator units as guinea pigs, Most of which either ended up partly melted or teleported into solid matter, such as one that was phased into a pillar.
personal theory involving that scene: from a design standpoint, using Sgt. Candy as the base for the biped model actually works (in some ways). Cyberdyne had enough information to START work on the bipedal model but not enough to actually finish it, which is why they started with the T-1. The T-800 team decided to use the Sgt. for the baseline designs to fix/finish the design. As for why Skynet would choose to use the designs when it took over, basic efficency. The plans were already mostly complete so it would be easier to finish/upgrade then to start from scratch, especially when building infiltration models.
Also, the T-1 was probally built as a low cost mass production model. Easy to build, cheap components, stuff like that. The T-800 would be a more expensive combat model, not as easy to make but more effective to use. Probally use would be military missions where mobility and dexterity are highly recommended, such as stealth missions or any mission where special forces would be required.
Something else to add is that this scene did make it into the videogame that follows how the reprogrammed T-800 gets to the past. It's still an Easter egg that you unlock via a pickup and how I managed to learn about this deleted scene.
“Planning an alibi for a hit and run 3 years before you get your license” earned my like
Haven't seen a lot of videos from this channel but this is the first 1 I've seen him without a drink in his hand
Fun fact: Arnie offered to do the Austrian dub of terminator 2 but it turns out that the Austrians were like "hey Arnie um... your accent is too rural for the dub so we're gonna pass on ur offer"
I heard they chose “Arnold” because terminator universe shares the same universe as aliens and predator. So from the predator movie with “Arnold” in it. His character was chosen because he defeated a predator. They deemed that character as being the ultimate human specimen to design the terminators after. Also, people asked the question “where does the terminator universe even start from?” I’ve heard that terminators and skynet were originally created aside from being a defense against human enemies, but also predators. I don’t know if any of that’s canon, but that’s what I’ve heard from hardcore fans.
There are a lot of good points but I have an explanation for the existence of the T1.
They needed to push stuff out of the production line, so even though they were extracting the plan and inner workings of the T-800 they were using the pieces to create stuff they could push out and keep the money coming.
I assumed the scene with Candy was just a ploy to excuse the sudden jump in design between the T1 and 800. Like, “We have this really advanced, semi-complete blueprint for a robot that we have no idea who designed. How can we make an excuse to start building it with out people thinking too hard? Let’s just start a robot building program, pretend to build some prototypes and really try to fit all the pieces together for the actual design on the side.”
My theory is they had the bi-pedal models already but had to bluff the investors funding them so they wouldn't ask too many questions "It's impressive and all, but how did you get this advanced of robotics technology (overnight)?"
I watched terminator 3 on premier night, and on the scene where theres some robots on a hallway and the gobernator falls from the ceiling as a surprise mofo move the electricity went out on the teather right as he hit the floor, it was the most confusing and concerning thing that ever happened to me in a movie teather, specially because the backup lights took a couple seconds to turn ON XD
Haha, yeah. I saw that with the weird Arnie voice. I couldn't stop thinking of how far Terminator deleted scenes fell, going from the one in T2 with Sarah Connor's real life sister (I think) in the "mirror" that they used so they could film a walk around shot without having the camera show up in the "mirror."
But the most powrful terminator is a enourmous drone like robot, as you can see in the beginning of Terminator 1. T800 is merely for infiltration, which means going to the past and going unnoticed.
Psychology shows that it's harder to kill a human than a robot. While the robot may not care, the enemy sure as hell will
The T1 is the smaller version of those huge ones you see in the flashback scenes in the previous movies out on the battlefield. They aren't early terminator models leading up to Arnie versions.
Candy essentially suffered the same fate as David Prowse playing Darth Vader. "We love your appearance, but the voice needs work".
If you read the book the T-1 has spots for faces to added to it for psychological warfare.
In a comic they actually replace a T-1’s face mask with the terminator’s skin and when it was placed it flopped, smudged up the lenses and pretty much caused it to go blind... they pretty much just slit cut the wires :/ basically Fallout 4 when you put a hockey mask on a robot
I can't wait for the raw version of this video
The actor Schwarzenegger dubbed over is Jack Noseworthy, probably best known for supporting roles in Breakdown and U-571. He appeared in the scene as a favor for the director.
This reminds me of that episode of Love, Death, Robots where there’s a robot called Xbot 4000 and he finds his “ancestor” the Xbot 360.
I’d be terrified if a murder robot with Karl’s face and voice that shouted random facts as it gunned down everyone around me
For having the human face and body of a human, it would actually be somewhat better if you went to peacekeeping missions as well.
You also have the other origins for the Model 101 human look, the T2: John Connor Chronicles has Skynet basing the model off of the recordings from the movies where he caused chaos.
As for the reason for the T1, well, you might also not have the tech to reproduce it or the full data on building the upper versions...
I want to see a Fact Fiend Uncut channel, where it’s all the videos but without any of the editing and just all the raw footage.
Finder hurter... I've only ever heard Matt from SBFP call them that 😂
Nice timing, I watched The Terminator yesterday :)
I think during the original T1 or T2 timeline. They use Arnie body model because of the time period.
Partially because, after the events of judgement day all the able bodied man we sent out to fight, having a Arnie bot model may give the impression to the resistance that he is a regular soldier or something
As a theory CRS could have despite having the plans for the t 800 been incapable of making the parts for it. Also even if they could build it it would only hurt their business as business in based on growth so they may have wanted to slowly add the advanced components one at a time to successive models to ensure steady improvement and growth that way by the time they released the full t 800 they would have a deep understanding as to how it worked and could therefore improve upon the model once it was released for later revisions .
Can't wait for this fact fiend raw. It's gonna be so good!