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That intro was beautiful
Thank you!
@@mr_wrongway you cant kick closed pedal in the bottom to open? Like it was on older ks16
Someone in our group owns this wheel. It's been the group trainer. She's had a rough life but still works.
these styles of wheels are what will grow the sport. larger more powerful wheels are for later once the skills are mastered.
Absolutely, my wheel has so far inspired 4 new riders, in like 1 month
This is a great wheel if you don't want ride super fast and want a wheel that's both light and robust. I'm about 96Kg but feel quite safe at 24mph (38kph) and I get a range of just over 20 miles. My 16S is 4 years old now and still looks brand new.
Hey Mike, thanks for commenting! I'm in a pickle right now, I'm researching for my first EUC and I'm torn between the InMotion V10F, King Song 16s, V12 InMotion HT or the King Song 18XL. I have a motorcycle, so needless to say I love speed and on the riskier side of things. I want something I can commute with to work to give my bike a rest and I realized EUC is quite efficient. Since having your KS-16S, have you had any repairs happen? I like the 16s and the V10F for the price point, but I'm afraid I'm gonna quickly outgrow it. Tell me your experience for the 16s, it would be so helpful. Thanks!
@@edwardruiz8965 You will outgrow the 16S/V10F if you're going to use it for transport as opposed to fun. The 18XL is a great commuter wheel but it's speed is capped at 30mph which will feel like an insane speed on a unicycle for the first couple of years riding. If your commute involves roads faster than this then I'd stick with the bike. How far will you be commuting? are you aiming for long trips at weekends? Are the roads relatively smooth where you live? Will you have to lift it up stairs? What size are you? Is your work the sort of place that won't mind a motorised unicycle being wheeled across the carpets?
@@mikebikekite1 Thanks for you're considerate and in-depth response. What you said that really stood out to me was if it's for transport or for fun. I live in the U.S, where EUC is still relatively new (I think?) and I've only ever seen two in 2023. I don't see myself maxing out the range on the King Song 18XL. BUT, I do see myself capping out the range on the V10F. I personally think the V10F is more waterproof, but that's not my concern since I live in the desert. I'm more concerned about over-heating on 115 degree Fahrenheit. The roads are smooth, and I wouldn't be commuting with actual traffic with this thing that's doing to much for the speed it can go... lol I really want the V12 HS or HT, but like so many others I'm still concerned with its reliability. I think I'm gonna save up for the 18XL, and then maybe the Sherman Max after some time. Thanks again for the response and giving me you're thoughts!
Nice that somebody gives attention to these lighter beginner wheels.
Nice to see wheels designed for a larger market ! And we absolutely need more bloopers like at the end of this vid hahaha well done !
Agree! Thank you!
Fantastic wheel for learning, shopping, small trips..Have it personaly. When Patton is too heavy, this helps much
I’m trying to decide between a 14d or 16s to go along with my Patton for skills work
@@KaizenOz for my 90kg weight 14d waay to weak. In some inclines even 16s is working on limits
Hey @milordas, thanks for commenting! I'm in a pickle right now, I'm researching for my first EUC and I'm torn between the InMotion V10F, King Song 16s, V12 InMotion HT or the King Song 18XL. I have a motorcycle, so needless to say I love speed and on the riskier side of things. I want something I can commute with to work to give my bike a rest and I realized EUC is quite efficient. Since having your KS-16S, have you had any repairs happen? I like the 16s and the V10F for the price point, but I'm afraid I'm gonna quickly outgrow it. Tell me your experience for the 16s, it would be so helpful. Thanks!
i've got an old cheap Ninebot One that i always keep in the car, i like to park further in less crumbled spaces and do the rest with the euc
Love mine as well (4years old, about 3000km) Recently Implemented the Ecodrift mod to fit a 2.5 wide (Inmotion v10 tire) on my ks16s and it s a must, it's amazing ! Look around for tutorial. (Be aware that you cannot fit original tire anymore after that)
This has made me rethink my first EUC. This one has gone up the list.
Consider the 18XL! It’s 16s’s slightly bigger brother. I think it’ll last you longer (potentially forever if you’re okay not having suspension and have no needs to go beyond 30mph which I frankly wish nobody did in EUCs)
@@seattleraf i would vote for 16s if you need to carry it upstairs most of the time, if not, theres better options, like ie. Patton
Your ability to manover eucs never fail to impress me
You are wrong about two buttons doing the same thing. Second button allows you to activate electronics, e.g. lights, bluetooth, music, without motor and gyroscope if you press and hold it when the wheel is off. It can be useful sometimes
Was already said but again: amazing intro, the look to the camera is so funny
Very good review of this little "classic". Thumb up.
Thanks as always.
Thank you so so much !!!
Mod it with a 2.5” tyre and it transforms from a learner wheel into something actually really useful, you can even ride down stair sets on it
Is this mod called something in particular? I can't find a tutorial for it
Where can I have it modded like that?
Love the LEDs.
Me too!
I want one! great video!
😮
I want one!
I gotta show it to you! :)
I recently picked up an old 16S, after selling my other wheels to get a V14 and missing the EUC life too much. It's vastly exceeded my expectations and become a nice commuter. I'm pretty sure I'll keep using it for quick outings after the big boy wheel gets here.
I learned on a V8f four years ago. I rode it for 2000 kms before I bought a 12 Ht. ( I know Adam, you hate it , you hate it, you hate it 🤮🤮🤮. ). I have spoken nicely with mine, and so far, she has treated me well.👍😂. But I still have the V8…. And I love it❤.. I use it lots for running errands, putting the garbage out ( a 2 km ride for me!) Dog walking and city riding…in a small city though! It’s always In the car..just in case. I’m really glad I learned on a light weight, there’s a certain lightness of touch to a light wheel, that’s completely missing with a 30kg++ wheel. I’ll always want to have a light weight wheel around….Those who started on a V12 or S22 or T4, don’t know what they’re missing.
Hey martin, thanks for commenting! I'm in a pickle right now, I'm researching for my first EUC and I'm torn between the InMotion V10F, King Song 16s, V12 InMotion HT or the King Song 18XL. I have a motorcycle, so needless to say I love speed and on the riskier side of things. I want something I can commute with to work to give my bike a rest and I realized EUC is quite efficient. Since having your V12 HT, have you had any repairs happen? I like the 16s and the V10F for the price point, but I'm afraid I'm gonna quickly outgrow it. Tell me your experience for the InMotion V12 HT, it would be so helpful. Thanks! Also sorry Adam :(
Using this exact wheel in the UK for work commute and exploring fun in the parks/forests. Sometimes i wish it had more speed but maybe I'll get a faster one when the UK will make the fully legal
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
I am recently retired and would love to get my first euc. But i’m retiring across the pond, getting a euc now isn’t smart. I think the 16s is a great little wheel. I love the portability. Unfortunately my old knees actually need suspension. A simple, comfortable, portable, commuter with decent speed and range would definitely fit the bill. My speed and road adventure days were sold along with my last rice burner last year, a ‘17 kawi zx10r. I cam’t wait for the special in depth WW evaluations on build quality of the s16 and s19.
Great that you make this video telling that there is still room for smaller wheels. I myself have a Gotway Tesla lying collecting dust. Maybe I should pull myself together at learn how to ride this. 🥰
all ive seen is the first 20 seconds so far and i think this might be ur most epic video ever.
Haha! Thank you! :)
11:02 Low pedals are an issue with clipping curbstone in the city too.
16s was my 6th wheel, was great
Wouldn't go back to it but was great at the time
16s was my first wheel! It’s great and I think I recommend it buuuut if you’re considering it STRONGLY consider the 18XL instead! It’s basically its slightly bigger brother. It rides almost identically.
16s max speed is like 21mph which when you haven’t learned to ride sounds fast enough. But once you learn you realize that while 18mph or so is a decent cruise speed, there’s some situations where you wished you could go a little beyond 21mph like even just 23 or 25.
With the 18XL’s 31mph top speed you can do that! AND you get more headroom! AND it can go further! AND it has a larger weight capacity. AND while its larger and heavier it’s still a lot smaller than today’s giant wheels
Hey @seattleraf, thanks for commenting! I'm in a pickle right now, I'm researching for my first EUC and I'm torn between the InMotion V10F, King Song 16s, V12 InMotion HT or the King Song 18XL. I have a motorcycle, so needless to say I love speed and on the riskier side of things. I want something I can commute with to work to give my bike a rest and I realized EUC is quite efficient. Since having your KS-16S, have you had any repairs happen? I like the 16s and the V10F for the price point, but I'm afraid I'm gonna quickly outgrow it. Also want something a bit sturdy, I don't see myself doing jumps, but i do occasionally wanna jump a curve or go on rougher terrain. Tell me your experience for the 16s and 18XL, it would be so helpful. Thanks!
@@edwardruiz8965 based on what you said I’d say consider the 18XL as a minimum and scratch out the 16s.
For V12 vs 18XL … V12 is several years newer tech and has a significantly wider tire than the 18XL which would help when off road. Neither of them have suspension though, which would be a really nice luxury when riding off curbs or going off road. If 99% of your time will be spent on pavement though then maybe even the bigger tire isn’t worth considering as a need.
Personally I had an awful experience with the V12 as a second batch owner. Its left a sour taste in my mouth so it’s hard for me to recommend it with a straight face. In theory it’s a good wheel and it’s been in production now for a while … but I’ve seen reports even in the last month of owners having reliability/safety issues with the wheel. I sent mine back shortly after buying it due to fear of safety and that’s when I exchanged it for an 18XL which I trust completely.
If you can stretch and buy an 18XL I’d consider that as a first wheel. See if you can find a used one for cheaper. It’s not too heavy and will be easy to learn with and for some people it won’t be one you’ll outgrow - but others will outgrow it depending on if they want to go super fast or do a lot off off roading etc.
You might not really know what your 99% use cases are until you get your first wheel
@@seattleraf Thanks for your considerate and in-depth response!
Also really appreciate the added input on your personal experience regarding the V12! It's quite unfortunate though, when I seen the V12 in action I immediately thought... yep. that's the one! Then, I did my research and the inconsistency of that wheel is just WHOA. Especially for the price point, so yeah I'm checking that off my list of favorites for now.
As for I don't know what ideal EUC is till I get one... I am leaning towards the 18XL, but the V10F is a bit more budget friendly. My ideal EUC would be the Sherman Max to be honest, but I wanna work on that and for now get a budget friendly and reliable wheel. What do you think of the V10F? I'm guessing the 18XL is just more bang for your buck so it's like why not huh?
I bought a 2nd hand KingSong 16s for $250 US , and absolutely love riding it for most trips in the city 😊
Hey @erichung8087, thanks for commenting! I'm in a pickle right now, I'm researching for my first EUC and I'm torn between the InMotion V10F, King Song 16s, V12 InMotion HT or the King Song 18XL. I have a motorcycle, so needless to say I love speed and on the riskier side of things. I want something I can commute with to work to give my bike a rest and I realized EUC is quite efficient. Since having your KS-16S, have you had any repairs happen? I like the 16s and the V10F for the price point, but I'm afraid I'm gonna quickly outgrow it. Tell me your experience for the 16s, it would be so helpful. Thanks!
Love the end bloopers 😍😅🙌
Thanks Izzy! :D
Intro was lit 👌
My first wheel and it was pretty good, though it did dump me hard once without any warning beeps.
The wheel I started on, mine has taken a beating hahaha.
Very good wheel, very good video
Im about 220lb and i dont want to start out with a 14d or 14s and break it because i surpass the max capacity. But with this wheel the max capacity is 250lbs and it is a 16" wheel so i will start out with this one since the others that king song makes are durable and reliable with this form factor. Thank you for the video been following up euc since your earlier videos lol
0:15 i know this suit you are wearing is no longer available but do you know where i can at least find something similar to it?
we use inmotino v8s in our training facility and they have taken beating for the past year now as trainers for many people and they hold up very weel!
"There is no wrong way with this wheel" I see what you did there
Classic.. I bought those new parts for my old KS 16S, still my favorite wheel, even though I use the S22 alot too.
Btw Im in the middle of replacing the motor aswell, there was a crack i had not noticed probably why i was getting flat tire more often than before.
I dont know if the washers in both sides of the motor are supposed to have some grease on them or not.
I'm still a big fan of my 14D (but I gained some weight and now worry I'll crush the poor thing :S). These small wheels are awesome. Your last comments here and the S19 video have got me wondering though: what's the best of both worlds? Would you want a S16 or S19 for city riding? I want to upgrade from the 16X but even limiting myself to other KingSong wheels I can't decide. :D
i hoped the pad would be usefull, i still use the old 16S and still searching for some good pads (mine are made from foam and tape)
Cool
Yep that’s the weather atm :D
I am looking for a wheel that my daughter can ride, I had the MTEN3 but looking for something else. I do like the handle and the look on this one. It reminds me of my ninebot C+.
Aside the size, it’s pretty much like a KS-14S. Still seems to be an « ankle » wheel. This is perfect for errands, short commuting (10-20km) but so-so for long distance (25-40km). The app works well and DarknessBot offers some additional options (alarm levels and speed, LED colors management). Is it possible to monitor the wheel while charging (not possible on the 14D) ? As I have an A2 now, I can confirm that the 14D (and probably 16S as well) is fragile over bumps and road cracks, especially over 20 km/h. Between a 14D/14S and 16S, I would probably go with the 16S but…
14 is weaker, 16s is preferable if youre more 85kg
@@milordas I have a 14D and weigh 90kg. I have no issues with it except the pedal size (too small).
How many takes did you have to do for that smooth intro?
Look at the end of the video :D I think around 15-20
Wrote this before seeing the outro lol
I'm not a daredevil like some EUC riders here on youtube. I'm a slower cruiser, so I don't mind wheels like this.
Its strange that it isnt possible to open pedals with your foot, the geometry of the pedals seem to be the same as the old ones and I can open my pedals using just my feet (14s), mb its possible adjust the spring to be weaker?
My stock pedals i could when i upgraded to the XL pedals i couldnt they are much much stiffer im not sure why, im sure these new pedals are the same as the XL.
I was torn between getting this one or an V10f. Finally got the latter and i don't regret, but it's already feling too little. Next one will be an S16 pro. BTW thank you for your content, Adam. I very much enjoy watching it. Greetings from the other side of Europe!!
Hey Carles, thanks for commenting! I'm in a pickle right now, I'm researching for my first EUC and I'm torn between the InMotion V10F, King Song 16s, V12 InMotion HT or the King Song 18XL. I have a motorcycle, so needless to say I love speed and on the riskier side of things. I want something I can commute with to work to give my bike a rest and I realized EUC is quite efficient. Since having your V10F, have you had any repairs happen? I like the 16s and the V10F for the price point, but I'm afraid I'm gonna quickly outgrow it. Tell me your experience for the V10F, it would be so helpful. Thanks!
@@edwardruiz8965 Hi Edward, the v10f is going strong after 1000km, no problems at all. The only thing I miss about this wheel is a little bit more speed. I would love to reach 50km/h to keep up with urban traffic in some circumstances. Because of that, and knowing that you are used to ride motorbikes, I would recommend you to go at least for a ks18xl.
@@carlesmartorell1922 I really appreciate your personal experience with the V10F. I honestly really like that InMotion model, and the price point is very exceptional. Though, I normally pedal a bike at around 20-25 MPH (32 KM) so yeah I might just feel underwhelmed with the V10F compared to the 18XL. I really appreciate your recommendation, and will more than likely spend the little extra money for the 18XL. THANK YOU!!!
Wrong way definitely took the wrong way that of the flashback but today we are at the new S16pro ;-)
With humor and sympathy
"there is no wrong way with this wheel" lol also epic analysis moment
I got 60km range on mine
Ks actually says bms on the website
Maybe it varies on different models? In my app there is no smart bms feature :/
Who is Mr. Wrong Way? Pls welcome Mr. Roombastic
LOL!
@@mr_wrongway oh my ... the first reply after all these years :-) ... Yei, made my day
@@oldtrappertom whooo! Have a great day mate! :D
Salut Adam et bien elle est pas mal du tout 👍
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Salut! Je suis d’accord!
This one or Ks14D for a completely beginner? I´m 1.79m 84kg
This one (16S) or go with a 14S. The 14D is nice (my first wheel that I still have) but too short range (after 10-12km, you get some restrictions). Also, you might have some feet pain as the pedals are really short (KingSong seems to provide new pedals now but otherwise, they are really short and you will need to check for XL pedals). Btw, I’m 178cm 90kg…
this one would fit your needs more
Mr Wrong Way, I have to correct you on your comment about less volts means less speed. Its mostly true, but you can change the copper windings in the motor to change speed too. Technically, i could make a 12v wheel go over 50mph. Watts is a better word to describe the capability of a wheel. Volts has become a buzzword. Perhaps not the right direction to go. I had a park ranger tell me my wheel wasnt allowed because it was over 17 volts. It made me cringe so hard. Was thinking okay, so then rewire my wheel for 12v and upconvert back to 126v and i would be fine. 😂
I agree with you :) depends on controller, battery parallels, flux, field weakening, motor, wheel diameter etc. most cases in our wheel world it corresponds pretty similarly to top speed tho. Thanks for your comment!
@@mr_wrongway Awesome! Yes, that is true. I just hope we don't pressure needlessly high voltages from the industry. I noticed Future Motion makes voltage one of their key selling points. It just worries me.
KRAL
Fearless song name!?
Almost one year after Begode A2 was launched and... nothing. Absolutely nothing. No comments, no reviews, no videos...
Hmmm…might need to look into that
FINALLY a sensible wheel! :D
(no, really)
I want gold.
cool that they updated it but until they release a completely new 14 or 16 inch wheel w or w/o suspension i wont buy a new one
the s16 is for you then! it’s a 16x with suspension and more power
It's an okay learning wheel. The biggest problems are the price. For over a thousand bucks, do you really want to buy something that you will outgrow in a month or two? I'd get something that would let you travel 30-35mph (48-56kph). The V11Y is probably a good alternative, but be aware that InMotion doesn't have the best reliability track record with their V11, so I'd wait to see what others think before making the big purchase. Some batches of V11's have been great, but others have been problematic.
GÜZEL
I rode 16s, not recommend it for adults.
Reliable euc, but old, not comfortable design. Low and short pedals (dangerous), small case, very narrow tire (very high pressure needed, low comfort, easy to damage rim). Slow charging + small battery. Its quite expensive compared to poor specification.
16s feels during riding like wheel for children not for adults. It may be dangerous - it's easy to get caught on something and fall.
Much better to buy something bigger, with normal size tire and pedals - 16x/Nikola/v10f/Msx/18xl.
Thanks for your comment!
How big are you? 5'9" 180 lbs here and it's served me well.
Hey greg, thanks for commenting! I'm in a pickle right now, I'm researching for my first EUC and I'm torn between the InMotion V10F, King Song 16s, V12 InMotion HT or the King Song 18XL. I have a motorcycle, so needless to say I love speed and on the riskier side of things. I want something I can commute with to work to give my bike a rest and I realized EUC is quite efficient. I like the 16s and the V10F for the price point, but I'm afraid I'm gonna quickly outgrow it. You mentioned the 16s is for kids, I'm 6'2 and 190lbs what's your opinion for a good first EUC? I really like the 18XL or the V12 HT tbh sorry BTW Adam.
@@edwardruiz8965 v12 has small 16" tire, very risky for high speed. 18xl has 18" wheel, much better for stability and safety. But for high speed best choice is 22-24" wheel, Monster/MasterPro/v13/Abrams series.
@gregx3322 Thanks for you're opinion! I think I'm gonna steer clear of the V12 HT, not really cause of rim size but more so for the inconsistency in performance I'm still reading and hearing. I do hear ya though, without suspension that V12 can be risky😬 I think I'm leaning more towards 18XL right now. Thanks again for the reply! :) if anything when the time comes I'll post a comment update!
Too many fires with this one I would choose a v8s instead if I could go back (I have the 16s now)
I misread the title of this video as "Pure Masculinity", which isn't far from the truth. This is a man's man's wheel, wheel of kings.
Pads, maybe better riding backwards
WERY SMOL WHEL. NOT SMOL GUD, SMOL BAD. NO NEED TO BORROW
😂😂😂
So basically it is poor man’a 18s?)
I just hate it that they put speakers on a wheel !!!! Listen to your music if you want but don't force it up to others.
It's so nice to ride in nature on an electric vehicle that doesn't make much noise to enjoy the surroundings so don't ruin it for other who like nature and quite, as well think of the animals.
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Wheee!
i sincerely think this is the ugliest wheel out there. definitely practicality over looks
so Adam, you openly support Hamas and it's atrocities?
Of course not. I support Free Palestine
Support curent fad at all cost. Ukrain now this then lgbtq+ its never ending. Its just posturing or looking like you're moraly superior. Now look at us sitting here trying to relax watching a video about a subject we like by someone we like and he has to just bring all that woke i care about the opressed bull****t.
sorry I have interrupted your havin-a-beer-watchin-tv ritual, but Adam brought it on himself by parading 10:45 with the flag of a country which leadership just performed unspeakable atrocities on October 7th@@francomusty5013
Nice to see wheels designed for a larger market ! And we absolutely need more bloopers like at the end of this vid hahaha well done !