Did you watch a different video than the rest of us? I mean, seriously, the face of honest journalism, WTF are you actually on about? 😂🤪Chad is awesome, but a journalist he is NOT, in any way whatsoever!! 😱A philosopher, a technician, an educator, a commentator, etc, is what he definitely is but when has Chadi EVER been known to report in the latest happenings in anything? 🤔THAT is what journalists do, and I’ve absolutely no clue where in this vid you managed to see ANY “honest sports journalism” or Chadi “representing the people”? As in, to have those take-aways from this vid you’d have to actually be delusional. I love Chadi’s videos as much as anyone, but there’s no need to be blowing smoke up his arse, I can guarantee it isn’t what he wants. 😱 Does he seem the type who requires our recognition or approval? Maybe I’ve been watching a different Chadi all this time? 🤔
It's so neat to see sutemi waza in judo, versus the sutemi waza I learn in gyokushin ryu aikido. It feels like kuzushi shines with sutemi waza the most.
kani basami is only dangerous when both your legs are clasped above the knee... when one is above the knee and one is below the knee usually at the Achilles/ lower calf acting in a sweeping motion it's a safe technique and very commonly seen in Sambo. I'm amazed they're allowing this in Judo competition because its clearly kani basami... the next throw in the video is clearly rice Bale with a little kick over and I'm all about the side separation for the final because Daki wakare and Tawara Gaeshi have fallen out of use to people have forgotten about them
That doesn't yet make it safe. There has been cases where people jump against side of the knee, when trying this technique. It can easily break the knee. In fact it is not very far from happening in this video. 1:54
@@user255 no martial arts technique is "safe" All athletic Endeavors carry an inherent risk and for some reason it doesn't leave a trail of Destruction in Sambo🤔
@@BURGAWMMA Of course, it's all about relative risk. It's just that kani basami / scissor takedown has caused a lot of injuries around the world, even when I haven't seen single one on my gym. But now it is forbidden in normal sparring, just like knees to head, etc relatively speaking dangerous techniques.
@@user255 seems pretty ridiculous when you compare the risk to things like Motorsports, rock climbing bull riding and mountain biking, there's lots of ways to get hurt
@@BURGAWMMA That would be pretty ridiculous, thus I didn't make the comparison. Although, I do rock climbing and it is much safer, but otherwise yes, those sports have much higher risks.
Suicide throws are anything but new although the uptake in their usage in competition clearly is. Not surprised really, it's one of few directions competitive Judo can actually go with current rule sets while still being productive so fair enough. Not a bad Meta in my opinion.
It is pretty clear who initiated the action of the throw and forced the other person's back to fall or touch the mat. Letting your own back touch the mat first is allowed in this sport. If it doesn't look very successful on the video, that is because the opponent is trying very hard not to lose and not to let his back touch the mat. It is a competitive sport, and people are pretty evenly matched in skill. Imagine the other person was not a trained grappler, and this rolling sacrifice throw was done to them on a hard floor. They would fall so hard that there will be no doubt in anyone's mind who bullied whom to the floor. And the person doing the throw will not be hurt at all, as he holds on and hangs off the other person at the beginning, which cushions his own fall and roll. But I agree, if that is what you are implying, that, for example, BJJ rules are a bit closer to how a fight-simulating sport should align the rewards with what counts in an actual fight, where the takedown points are given only after you remain on top in control for 3 seconds after the throw. But BJJ can also have ambiguous situations where it is not clear who initiated the action and whether takedown points should be awarded or not. In the last World's that I watched, the referees had to stop and watch the recording to determine if one competitor started doing an ouchi gari before or after the other person started pulling guard. There was no question of who was on top after, but there was a question whether the top person deserved takedown points or not.
Hey Chadi, great video! Can you cover some of other Judo countries. I saw you did Georgia and Mongolia would be good to add Azerbaijan, Russia and Moldova as well as all these countries are big in Judo
@@SoldierDrew How old are you? Seriously, what does sport have to do with politics? And since you already asked, please post a reputable source that claims Azerbaijanis massacred a multitude of Armenians!
In my opinion these georgian throws, in their principles reseble mostly hikikomi gaeshi as shown in Kodokan's old videos, and by Kashiwazaki. But in hikikomi gaeshi you grab the belt, so I would say Bekauris waza is sumi gaeshi even it looks awkward.
Number of techniques is not nearly as important as developing awareness. A Muay Thai sweep is not complex, just the understanding of when and where to apply the right pressure. You can spend ten years learning 10,000 techniques, I'll spend ten years learning how to fight.
@martinlaser7819 I find my experience with injuries is the opposite. I've never been injured with anything more than cuts and bruises when kickboxing but in grappling (BJJ/judo) I and most people I train with have long-term injuries. My dad lost a tooth sparring in Muay Thai but his shoulder and back are permanently fucked because of BJJ.
It seems to me the broomstick is done with the near (front) leg stepping behind, the far leg going in front of uke and hooking the knee, and then uke falls because of the sagging weight and the weaved leg of tori between uke's two legs preventing him from stepping around to keep his balance. It is a back-take starting from standing--like a guard pull. In the BJJ videos showing it, uke never rolled over tori but remained on top and in front of tori. This guy does it by back-stepping with the far leg and then gets uke to trip over him backwards. If I can try to compare these to some simpler and more familiar moves, both of these moves seem like tori getting more or less behind uke, and then the broomstick is like a guard pull, except done to uke's back, an uke fails to keep their balance "forward", while this throw is like a failed uki waza done to uke's back by tori also turning his back at uke and sort-of tripping him with the "wrong" leg, and uke falls "forward" but to the opposite side. No wonder it is difficult to classify. I think he does it this way because in general it is pretty hard to get to someone's back, so back-stepping with the far leg is easier to do and more surprising, and then he does his best to turn that setup into a throw. The beginning and ending have elements of sumi gaeshi, but the middle--the actual throw--is indeed, like Chadi said, uke falling backwards, and therefore Judo would call it tani otoshi.
The Japanese are very fond of naming things. It's really apparent in their martial arts. The subtle differences haver never been enough for me to justify a new name. Just a variation of X waza. LOL
This is a lot of sutemi waza what i can see : with only black belt judoka in compétition. So we can see they are efficient in contrary of what dogmatic black belt have can say to me they are few day ago. They are wrong and i am reason finally : the sutemu waza are goord techniques for throw
Judo throwing techniques are named mainly due to the biomechanical mechanism that makes the throw, thus indirectly related to the direction that Uke goes. Being that said, I must say these variations of this video are ugly, oh my. In my humble opinion, up for the debate: the first one, "Sumi-Gaeshi" looks more like a Kani-Basami indeed, made with enough care so to avoid breaking Uke's ankle. The second one is just a Sumi Gaeshi that caught Uke sideways. The third one doesn't look like Yoko Wakare to me at all but rather a variation of Sumi Otoshi - yes, think about it: "Otoshi" means "sudden drop to the ground", so it makes perfect sense once Tori moves his body that way from a fainted Osoto-Gari only to cause "Otoshi" from sleeve and belt grips. Under this same logic, the now-banned Reverse (or Korean) Seoi Nage is a Sumi Otoshi motion.
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Again, very nicely done. You should be the face of honest sports journalism. Your essays are great and always represent the people!!!
Did you watch a different video than the rest of us? I mean, seriously, the face of honest journalism, WTF are you actually on about? 😂🤪Chad is awesome, but a journalist he is NOT, in any way whatsoever!! 😱A philosopher, a technician, an educator, a commentator, etc, is what he definitely is but when has Chadi EVER been known to report in the latest happenings in anything? 🤔THAT is what journalists do, and I’ve absolutely no clue where in this vid you managed to see ANY “honest sports journalism” or Chadi “representing the people”? As in, to have those take-aways from this vid you’d have to actually be delusional.
I love Chadi’s videos as much as anyone, but there’s no need to be blowing smoke up his arse, I can guarantee it isn’t what he wants. 😱 Does he seem the type who requires our recognition or approval? Maybe I’ve been watching a different Chadi all this time? 🤔
This helped me better identify techniques.
It's so neat to see sutemi waza in judo, versus the sutemi waza I learn in gyokushin ryu aikido. It feels like kuzushi shines with sutemi waza the most.
This is a huge change for how one should approach his throws. I interpret it as “chaining” techniques together
Thanks
kani basami is only dangerous when both your legs are clasped above the knee... when one is above the knee and one is below the knee usually at the Achilles/ lower calf acting in a sweeping motion it's a safe technique and very commonly seen in Sambo.
I'm amazed they're allowing this in Judo competition because its clearly kani basami... the next throw in the video is clearly rice Bale with a little kick over and I'm all about the side separation for the final
because Daki wakare and Tawara Gaeshi have fallen out of use to people have forgotten about them
That doesn't yet make it safe. There has been cases where people jump against side of the knee, when trying this technique. It can easily break the knee. In fact it is not very far from happening in this video. 1:54
@@user255 no martial arts technique is "safe"
All athletic Endeavors carry an inherent risk and for some reason it doesn't leave a trail of Destruction in Sambo🤔
@@BURGAWMMA Of course, it's all about relative risk. It's just that kani basami / scissor takedown has caused a lot of injuries around the world, even when I haven't seen single one on my gym. But now it is forbidden in normal sparring, just like knees to head, etc relatively speaking dangerous techniques.
@@user255 seems pretty ridiculous when you compare the risk to things like Motorsports, rock climbing bull riding and mountain biking, there's lots of ways to get hurt
@@BURGAWMMA That would be pretty ridiculous, thus I didn't make the comparison. Although, I do rock climbing and it is much safer, but otherwise yes, those sports have much higher risks.
As usual Chadi your video lecture is extremely informative and thoroughly enjoyable!
Many thanks!
This is really helpful. It is so irritating to see the comment section in judo videos nowadays naming the throw in a video incorrectly.
Judo is education, keep studying
Nice
Where Nomenclature meets Lexicon. As always Chadi is at the Dais wearing The Teachers hat
Suicide throws are anything but new although the uptake in their usage in competition clearly is. Not surprised really, it's one of few directions competitive Judo can actually go with current rule sets while still being productive so fair enough. Not a bad Meta in my opinion.
2 of these 'throws' i couldn't tell who won! 5:47 and 3:56
It is pretty clear who initiated the action of the throw and forced the other person's back to fall or touch the mat. Letting your own back touch the mat first is allowed in this sport. If it doesn't look very successful on the video, that is because the opponent is trying very hard not to lose and not to let his back touch the mat. It is a competitive sport, and people are pretty evenly matched in skill.
Imagine the other person was not a trained grappler, and this rolling sacrifice throw was done to them on a hard floor. They would fall so hard that there will be no doubt in anyone's mind who bullied whom to the floor. And the person doing the throw will not be hurt at all, as he holds on and hangs off the other person at the beginning, which cushions his own fall and roll.
But I agree, if that is what you are implying, that, for example, BJJ rules are a bit closer to how a fight-simulating sport should align the rewards with what counts in an actual fight, where the takedown points are given only after you remain on top in control for 3 seconds after the throw. But BJJ can also have ambiguous situations where it is not clear who initiated the action and whether takedown points should be awarded or not. In the last World's that I watched, the referees had to stop and watch the recording to determine if one competitor started doing an ouchi gari before or after the other person started pulling guard. There was no question of who was on top after, but there was a question whether the top person deserved takedown points or not.
Hey Chadi, great video! Can you cover some of other Judo countries. I saw you did Georgia and Mongolia would be good to add Azerbaijan, Russia and Moldova as well as all these countries are big in Judo
Didn't Azerbaijan just recently massacre a multitude of Armenians?
@@SoldierDrew How old are you? Seriously, what does sport have to do with politics? And since you already asked, please post a reputable source that claims Azerbaijanis massacred a multitude of Armenians!
@@SoldierDrew, where is the source buddy? Ahh, yes, it has to be some dude on TikTok claiming that...
In my opinion these georgian throws, in their principles reseble mostly hikikomi gaeshi as shown in Kodokan's old videos, and by Kashiwazaki. But in hikikomi gaeshi you grab the belt, so I would say Bekauris waza is sumi gaeshi even it looks awkward.
hi Chadi why in judo 67 throws is so few, in wrestling there are many more throws?
@martinlaser7819 in sambo there are about 10,000 techniques, this is a whole system, which means judo is not the best martial arts
@martinlaser7819
after all, there are more and stronger techniques in sambo than in judo
Number of techniques is not nearly as important as developing awareness. A Muay Thai sweep is not complex, just the understanding of when and where to apply the right pressure. You can spend ten years learning 10,000 techniques, I'll spend ten years learning how to fight.
@martinlaser7819 I find my experience with injuries is the opposite. I've never been injured with anything more than cuts and bruises when kickboxing but in grappling (BJJ/judo) I and most people I train with have long-term injuries. My dad lost a tooth sparring in Muay Thai but his shoulder and back are permanently fucked because of BJJ.
Hayato Kondo is doing a "Broomstick" takedown used by American Folk Style Wrestlers and BJJ.
It seems to me the broomstick is done with the near (front) leg stepping behind, the far leg going in front of uke and hooking the knee, and then uke falls because of the sagging weight and the weaved leg of tori between uke's two legs preventing him from stepping around to keep his balance. It is a back-take starting from standing--like a guard pull. In the BJJ videos showing it, uke never rolled over tori but remained on top and in front of tori.
This guy does it by back-stepping with the far leg and then gets uke to trip over him backwards.
If I can try to compare these to some simpler and more familiar moves, both of these moves seem like tori getting more or less behind uke, and then the broomstick is like a guard pull, except done to uke's back, an uke fails to keep their balance "forward", while this throw is like a failed uki waza done to uke's back by tori also turning his back at uke and sort-of tripping him with the "wrong" leg, and uke falls "forward" but to the opposite side. No wonder it is difficult to classify.
I think he does it this way because in general it is pretty hard to get to someone's back, so back-stepping with the far leg is easier to do and more surprising, and then he does his best to turn that setup into a throw. The beginning and ending have elements of sumi gaeshi, but the middle--the actual throw--is indeed, like Chadi said, uke falling backwards, and therefore Judo would call it tani otoshi.
The Japanese are very fond of naming things. It's really apparent in their martial arts. The subtle differences haver never been enough for me to justify a new name. Just a variation of X waza. LOL
5:30.. you need to/could pause and highlight (drawing tool) what you are talking about, it would help with clarity. Its too compounded.
This is a lot of sutemi waza what i can see : with only black belt judoka in compétition. So we can see they are efficient in contrary of what dogmatic black belt have can say to me they are few day ago. They are wrong and i am reason finally : the sutemu waza are goord techniques for throw
Judo throwing techniques are named mainly due to the biomechanical mechanism that makes the throw, thus indirectly related to the direction that Uke goes. Being that said, I must say these variations of this video are ugly, oh my. In my humble opinion, up for the debate: the first one, "Sumi-Gaeshi" looks more like a Kani-Basami indeed, made with enough care so to avoid breaking Uke's ankle. The second one is just a Sumi Gaeshi that caught Uke sideways. The third one doesn't look like Yoko Wakare to me at all but rather a variation of Sumi Otoshi - yes, think about it: "Otoshi" means "sudden drop to the ground", so it makes perfect sense once Tori moves his body that way from a fainted Osoto-Gari only to cause "Otoshi" from sleeve and belt grips. Under this same logic, the now-banned Reverse (or Korean) Seoi Nage is a Sumi Otoshi motion.
The georgian sutemi are not pretty I agree, however Sumi Otoshi is by default a Te Waza, I’d say Tani Otoshi is fit
clumsy throws not a fan
Competition unchained will always ride the lines of safety and technique.