A G3 Upgraded TAM... with SATA?!
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Today, we're upgrading our lowly quirky TAM to a G3 processor using a very weird upgrade card, trying to install a SATA controller, and turning this futuristic late 90's design showpiece into an anachronistic powerhouse!
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you showed us that expanded back panel like you were ever gonna use it, i know you'll just leave it open forever lmao
True 😂😂😂
whaddup
I love hot rodded machines like this, I have a water cooled iMac G3 with an external DVD Drive for no reason other than I thought it’d be funny (actually improves thermals and looks sick tho), love your channel and looking forward to seeing more Mac Abominations!
Edit: due to popular demand, I will make a video on my machine, I don’t currently have access to it so the next time I have it I’ll make a video. In the meantime I’ll get a script and stuff ready
Nah what make a video
yo you should make a video on that G3 you got that thing sounds very nice
Yes pls make a video on this I need to see it!
I'll add to the chorus of people clamoring for this video!!!!
That G3 has to be amazing, please post a picture or a video I also would love to see it
Regarding to the internal CD drive's laser flex, I think the best solution is to use another flex cable that comes from a scrap DVD player or something that uses them to interconnect stuff, then you can cut it to length and try it, it should work, I love how that TAM ended so much faster (and upgraded) than originally was
Since it's CD and likely a Sony mechanism, why not check out some broken discmans.. I'd wager that's all the actual read platform is..
Cutting flexible PCBs to length… sure…
Apparently, the Apple 600i SCSI CD-ROM (tray-loading) internally is very similar to the design of the TAM CD. Could that be salvaged for parts?
@@rhysholdaway This is the correct answer. Find out who manufactured the original drive, and look at other models from that period to find a compatible optical sled mechanism, and just replace the whole sled with a working one.
Swapping entire drives into that bespoke front-loader is never going to happen in a way that doesn't look jank. Using other ribbon cables is not a viable option either, unless it's truly identical (which it won't be, unless the whole sled is, and in that case, just use that.)
It might be feasible to custom design a replacement, if it's really just a flex PCB with nothing special going on -- but then you probably have to solder it to the optical module, which is not going to be fun.
Assuming your sponsor is OK with it, it would be hilarious if you used Squarespace to make a website that looks like something from 90s-era Geocities. :D Complete with the perpetual "Under Construction" sign.
I think for an optical drive; you'll need something designed for a laptop. Perhaps the Superdrive out of an early MacBook or MacBook Pro that takes SATA. Strip it all down to the bare board and then maybe line it with something to prevent shorts. The tray mecanizm would be problematic. Thats why I suggest a slot loader... minus the slot.
This machine is more and more cool at every upgrade without breaking it's spirit, great job !
I love the nervous 'ha ha" when something that your not sure will work actually works. Videos are just full of authentic charm and I'm all for it
All of this was necessary, I live for the day the retro community have their own semi-conductor fabs so we can truly upgrade vintage computers to the next level 💅
Its got to be around the corner! We have desktop 3D printers, lasers, CNC mills, and all that, so there's got to be desktop silicon fab in the future!
I"m sure this already occurred to you, but you could just 3D print an entire back cover which might even be able to fit that huge Mac Pro DVD drive 🤣It's be amazing to see the tray slide out from the backside 😁 Amazing work as always!
Yassss, do this!!!
Do it!
I wonder if you could find an nvme ssd pci card that would play nice with it. That would save a ton of space if it worked.
it could also channel cooling air from a 120mm NOKIA fan to wherever it is needed.
Dude how do you not have more subs?! Your videos are awesome! Not just the run of the mill stuff but showing innovative things to do with these old beauties. Keep it up!
Agreed. There is absolutely nothing quite like this online really getting into the TAM and messing with stuff. Even the ifixit is wrong on how to disassemble this thing, it's annoying. Action Retro is an unsung hero
I am not even a Mac fan and I love this channel. Found this looking for info on the Toshiba Libretto as a portable DOS machine. His Toshiba Mac mini was genius. Wish more people made videos like this.
It’s because of the very annoying and completely distracting over the top hand waving
Awesome! Back in the day, I upgraded my TAM to the G3 500MHz processor, and installed an 802.11b Wi-Fi card in the PCI slot so I could stream Internet radio to it!
impressive i am glad the TAM is getting the love it deserves
Love seeing the TAM pop up again so quickly!
I love the projects you do. Especially the extreme ones!
That boot time is incredible. So used to seeing classic macs take an age to boot.
This feels like you climbed a summit for this channel, a culmination of so many upgrades and so much work! Congrats!
Old Mac: *exists*
Sean: "This has always been a grail machine for me."
not wrong
The broken ribbon is attached to the laser. You should be able to look at the model number and a replacement for it. I highly doubt Apple used a custom part number for this. It's almost certainly shared with another device that you can pull the laser, and attached ribbon, from. Or, you may be able to still find them new old stock!
Some hate it but I love it. Making old rare machines into so much more
I see my TAM on the floor right now, being jealous of these speaker grill covers.
The TAM is so closely related to my Power Mac 6500 it was fun to see inside. By the end (2003) I had gradually upgraded it as far as possible: Crescendo G3/300, 64MB of RAM, Voodoo 4 Graphics Card, USB PCI card, Ethernet CommII slot card, CDRW, AND the Apple TV/AV upgrade in the AV slot! It was slow as heck in 2003, but I still played so many awesome games on that machine over the years.
The broken CD ribbon cable can be fixed. You can glue a plastic strip to the back of the cable and scratch the solder-mask from the broken traces on the other side. Either use some thin wire or use just solder to bridge the ripped traces.
@12:34 - Would be great to see a seperate video about "Price to Value" upgrades using these types of benchmarks for those looking to upgrade older macs!
That cable management is legendary
I've been inspired by this TAM to wildly upgrade my Performa 6400.
Those L2 G3s are now insanely expensive, as are the FPM DIMMs and even L2 cache sticks (well, I might not be searching right for those) so I hope you've got deep pockets. Only been able to go for max RAM, SATA to IDE adapter on an SSD and a DVD/CD-RW on my 5400 without breaking the bank.
Expansion cards and conversion technology in one video awesome
Build that SuperDrive in the bottom of that subwoofer
As always this is ridiculous in all the right ways. It's amazing to see how far you've come from earlier videos! Look forward to these videos every week!
This was a hell of a video. The TAM is the king of upgrades .... This left me interested in getting one of Crescendo cards for mine :)
Wow this is awesome. You literally bypassed everything to make it work.
I laughed when you bought out the Apple made extended back plate. That’s insane.
Great video.
SeanThat G3 Sonnet upgrade card makes that thing move thats the same G3 upgrade I did on my tam years ago. I did get the Puma OS X on mine and it ran pretty descent
could you run Mac OS X on it thru XPostFacto while using the G3 upgrade? would be cool to see
Insane, yet fun to watch! Keep up the great work.
This was such a silly journey and I enjoyed every bit of it!
Really enjoyed this one, great job!
You are a true nerd when you run a power cable through a machine and refer to the back as the front. I aspire to your computer nerdy excellence. 👍
This and the G3 AIO "Molar" Mac are my favorite "they're so ugly they're beautiful" Apple products haha
Now that's a spicy TAM for sure!
I enjoyed the heck out of the TAM revamp. Awesome!!
Actually surprised the SATA card performed so much better than the IDE adapter, given that the limiting factor for the SATA card would be the max PCI bus speed of 133Mb/sec, about the same as top-end IDE.
You should have saved it for St. Patrick’s Day next year. Think of all of the TAM O’Shanter puns!
12:58 "and we're gonna use this dual SATA riser card"
meanwhile plugs a dual PCI riser card in
Loved all the upgrades ,Awesome!!!!!!
I'm just going to say since that TAM only had a 4x cd drive and someone said something about sony try looking at the replacement lasers for the PS1! Something like the KSM-440AEM.
Love anything where an AIO gets hotrodded. I had a G3 AIO years ago that was a lot of fun to tinker with, especially after modding the internal video cable for VGA
19:58 We need white board guy to keep your puns in check.
😂
Been waiting for this!
Truly amazing!
I'm getting some cursed macintosh vibes from this whole project.
Been watching awhile mate, after watching Your last Tam video yesterday and this today not being subscribed just doesn't sit right, love the high effort content and the clear passion for vintage macs, looking foward to more surely
Amazing stuff as usual! I've always wanted to see a TAM in persion, maybe one day.
I can't believe Apple gave the TAM PCI expandability by having you hang the PCI cards off of the slot with no mounting, that's hilarious. To fix the CD drive, I would look for another laptop drive that uses the same kind of laser and swap the lasers out.
Very much enjoyed the disc name "Macintosh CD"
Consider modifying the front cdrom door to accommodate a macbook superdrive with sata cdrom adapter. you could also fit a mini media card reader in the same space.
I was the tech lead on HDT 3.0. All the versions before that were crap. Next you need to do the PowerMac 4400. It was one screwy Mac.
Gotta love a nice retro build 💪🙏
I've upgraded different Macs in the past, older machines that could actually be upgraded, but I've never done anything as creative (crazy?) as what you do. Which is why I subscribed in the first place 🙂
those are some amazing upgrades. that g3 is amazing and the playable fps was awesome!
Massive Props for the Descendents shirt!!!
Considering how thrown-together the whole affair is - I wonder if that dead CD-ROM ribbon cable comes out of a MacBook from the era as well.
Love it! Just gotta get that front mounted CDROM working :)
I miss the whiteboard guy lol, great Druaga1 mod btw XD continue the amazing work!
The least amount of computing from the greatest amount of money…
Doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to watch. Glad this was more successful than usual!
I love the TAM! Reminds me of my iMac G3
Send that flex from the CD-ROM to PCBWay and see if they can make a good copy, possibly properly strain relieved so it won't break again.
It's the FrankenTAM! Perfect for the Halloween season. 🤣🎃
Dude I love your videos, your funny informed and make fun of everything just great stuff. I'd like to see you try a PCI graphics card on the Tam
Love your videos, you can have fun with those old machine
I'd like to remind everyone that multi-slot PCI risers are not universal because of how the IDSEL and IRQ lines are routed to the different slots. Having said that, I wonder how many slots the TAM could support with a custom riser. Imagine all the upgrades you could ever want all at once.
OOhhh! I upgraded my PM 6500/250 with one of those Sonnet G3 processor cards! Now it’s a blindingly fast PM6500, but of course, stuck in 9.2.2, since PM’s can’t run OSX. Still, for the while I used the 6500, it was defintively worth it! :D
Fun fact: "crescendo" means "growing up" in Portuguese.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I was like oh no, but great job! Maybe you could hack Windows NT 4 ppc or Solaris 2.6 ppc, never made for mac ppc but I bet you do it! Try ppc hackintosh on something like an old IBM.
For God sake if you go to use two power supplies, use the same source and check the voltage cross supplies. I had a horror experience in my life with this. Back 2000 I was working for a company which provides solutions for printing and scanning for large formats as A0 paper. One day I was installing in a customer a printer and the scanner. The catch was that 220v outlets in the same room were coming from different industry transformers. When I, with naked hand, went to connect the SCSI cable between the scanner and printer there was a 440v difference. The short was so intense that toasted both machines completely. I almost got killed.
Holy hand waving Batman
You sir are a gem.
Price to performace 😂 Buck over bang!
Props for the Shirt! Love your videos, keep em coming bro :)
Thanks for the video! Great fun! This TAM should be perfectly able to run Mac OS X, should not it? It's no worse than the iMac G3, that supports it officially. Would be happy to see you installing it onto this TAM. Thank you!
Since the G3 requires an extension in order to work, and OS X doesn't officially run on anything lower than a G3, it wouldn't really run. You might be able to hack it to run, but it would use the inbuilt 604 CPU since the extension isn't available on OS X, so performance would be poor.
you should replace the optical drive with one of those 5.25" USB hubs with memory card slots, etc.
Wow!! Can you stick anything else in the TAM?? Awesome!
I really, really want an iMac G4 M9290 now to experiment on. 20" flat panel lampshade goodness... mmm 🐱
Nice Descendants shirt.
Legends reborn, and recreated from myth to manifestation. You're doing fine work Sean.
Super impressed with the dual PCI riser -- though is that going to size limit the use of the Comm Ethernet?
Skeptical about the CD drive as well -- I'd think you'd need a top loader to repair. Too bad nobody's found a way to replicate those thin ribbon cables yet.
Time to upgrade the OS!!
*Beavis voice* "is this a god tam?"
That's insane 😂 10/10
You could install a combo USB/Firewire PCI card and then use an external Firewire DVD drive.
Yes time to make that TAM into a powerhouse ... at least a powerhouse for a TAM 🤣
I'm wondering if you could hack a laptop SATA DVD drive to fit into the same space as the existing drive, without having to modify the case of the TAM? If you search for "slim SATA DVD drive", they're pretty cheap and you can use an adapter to convert it to a standard SATA+power connector. You'd have to fully disassemble the drive, and design and 3D print a bracket to hold the mechanism and board. Oh, and figure out how to hack the release mechanism to work with the drive door on the TAM too.
So yeah, pretty simple really.
On second thought, you're probably better off carefully scraping away the coating on the broken flex cable and soldering wires across the break. Or just designing a new flex cable in KiCAD and getting it made by [insert PCB manufacturer here].
i remember a video when someone threw a Core 2 Duo inside a TAM with a Mac Mini mobo and it even runs Windows 7 and Mac OSX 10.5
Awesome shirt! I just saw the Descendents live last month.
you tamed it!
Part of me was screaming to use a 44-to-40 adapter to get the SSD power.
Gutes Video
Something I’ve always wondered about the TAM (and the G3 AIO) is if it’s possible to use a graphics card while keeping the internal display.
If you could figure it out it would be awesome to see Mac OS X running on this thing with a Radeon 7000 driving the internal display. I’d pick that over USB 1.1.
What was the chipset on your SATA controller card? Seems like it worked basically out of the box, would love to stick one in my Performa!
Duuude! Nice Descendents shirt!
More upgradable than whatever apple does now