G3 Upgrading my Japanese PowerBook 2400c
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Last year, I finally got my absolute holy grail PowerBook - a working 2400c! When I took it apart to clean it and upgrade it, I found the absolute carnage of an exploded PRAM battery. After cleaning it up and reassembling... it never booted again :(
Well, now I bought a second, also-broken PowerBook 2400c - from Japan! Can I combine these two into one working machine, and then upgrade the heck out of it with a G3 accelerator?
Let's find out!
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You might want to send it to Adrian's Digital Basement, he's used to installing bodge wires to fix broken ports.
BTW, when I need to open the clips on a laptop, I always use a thin guitar pick. Works wonders and doesn't risk damaging a thing.
This is the kind of collaboration I'd like to see. Adrian was the first person I thought of when Sean revealed what happened.
If you got the time, the usual way to fix corroded connectors is to check continuity between the IDE connector and their test pads or other contact points. Then you can get a better idea of where's the broken link. Anyways, always love to see good ol' computers come back to life, good work!
Amazing deep reference to "Are you afraid of the dark?" - bravo 👏
None of the 2400cs had CardBus support from stock; they were all required to be modified, though the procedure differs depending on which version of the logic board you had (either cut some wires on the early one or remove a couple SMD caps on the later one). Like the Maxells in desktop Macs, it's the green Varta-branded PRAM batteries that are notorious for leaking like that, and they're used in basically all of the 2400s, 3400s, and Kanga G3s. So if you have one of these, disassemble it and remove that thing NOW. The bad screen has "vinegar syndrome." It's pretty common in any LCD-equipped electronics (not just Macs) from hot, humid areas, and usually also accompanies batteries that have leaked severely.
Best skit you’ve ever done. Bring this stuff back.
A major fan of the Afraid of the Dark "remake"/homage. Great tale ahahaha.
Your evolution as a creator is a marvel to behold. Being one of the earliest subscribers, from far far away Greece. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!!
@@ActionRetro It's always very special when one of your first subscribers comments on your video
13:51 anybody else would be swearing up a storm, but Sean, even at his most irate "that's unfortunate". I admire your approach and willingness to press on even when things aren't going so well.
your videos are getting better and better! really love the "are you afraid of the dark" skit
I would be almost certain that what has happened is that the battery acid has corroded the IDE adapter which means you're going to have to get someone who is good at micro soldering to find that particular IDE chip and connector and solder a new one onto your mostly working board.
*Batery alkaline.
It's your utter passion and joy that keeps bringing me back to your channel, Sean. It's just wonderful.
Glad to see you finally got a (mostly) working system. If it works that well, I suspect the IDE issue is some relatively simple thing, here's hope 🤞
Man it has been so fun watching your skills grow while at the same time growing mine. Wish I was still able to be a patreon supporter because your content is some of the only stuff I watch deserving of it.
Hey Sean, I've been following your channel since the Cursed Mac series! It's great to see you're having fun with your content and I hope you continue on with your passion! I watch your vids almost as soon as they come out (Sat late PM in the UK) and they're a joy to look forward to. Here's to many more to come!
OMG the speed!!! Great video Sean! 😀
This channel makes me excited for Saturday mornings. Great video, keep up the great work.
you dont need the cute moments dude. deliver yourself as you do it. it rocks (the fire was great)
Your channel has really found a unique vibe. Very cool.
white vinegar is great for cleaning that stuff up, you can get large bottle of "cleaning vinegar" at dollar tree, its the same stuff its just not processed in a food grade factory just keep in mind its got a lot of water in it so dry well and use some high octane iso to drive off moisture... but it works great I use it all the time on battery contacts and cleaning up bios battery goo and rusty screws, it removes rust eventually
Glad it worked out, I was kinda worried it looked like a smurf got shot inside of there lol
Very well done Sean! What a satisfying feeling to rectify your last errors 😅 I know that feeling well. Thanks for taking us on the journey. I’ve now got three of these little macs, 1 is working, the other two are dead, but after watching this maybe there is hope for them yet.
For some reason you said something about the battery reminded me of the PowerBook 5300. A huge recall of battery issues at the time. Altho I never owned it. I had a PowerBook G3 Pismo and the PowerBook clamshell. I got them cheap at a computer recycling store in Seattle. I loved that store.
Sean aka the man with the plan! Dude, your videos are just effin astonishing! 💯🔝
This laptop was my workhorse growing up for several years! I played Quake 2 and Unreal on that tiny screen. Quake 2 ran great at 320 x 240 in software, unreal struggled a bit :D
hahaha i appreciate the dramatic scary are you afraid of the dark skit.
Another great video. I'd really like to see the finished project. One day.
the 2400c is the grail, i knew so many techs that used it with the g3 upgrade, even tho the bus really limited the upgrade. The second those came up they would get snapped up internally. 2300c duo's were amazing for the time too.
Ah hes, finally getting hold of one of your long-desired classic machines, then proceeding to hamfistedly break it. I did that to an IBM PS/2 P70. Found one someone was disposing of, and tried upgrading the memory. Broke a memory slot, and it never worked again.
Thing is, I probably could have fixed it when I was working in the zSeries test lab (using their board-repair equipment) or at least found someone else who could fix it. But that was probably 25 years ago, and I gave the machine away a long time ago.
Glad to see you have it running Sean very nice G3 upgrade
I can see some of the blue on one of the pins leading to a card slot. You also want to neutralise the electrolyte, rinsing with vinegar, flux remover then water then isopropynol would probably be a good idea.
Nice reference to Nickelodeon's "Are You Afraid of the Dark?".
Nice vid Sean, I guess you have the set now, 1400, 2400, 3400. I have two of each of the easy to find models, no 2400 but I, like you, have always wanted one. The closest i got is a Duo 2300.
congratulations on getting this unicorn running.
Microscope? Hey Steve84.... Action Boy needs your help. He's gone and done a Javier!!
I am loving these videos. ❤️❤️ For me my holy grail machine is a PowerBook 5300. As its first machine I loved from Independence Day and has a big position in my heart 💓
nowi am going to have nightmares tonight about batteries and blue gunk... darn you
"I don't have either of those two things"
WELL WELL WELL, are you not in the right place then! Please start a campaign to get them so I can donate
Love your work
Still on the dream machine list with a TAM. I have everything else I want but this one haunts me...
I absolutely love his overdramatized battery situation. How hilariously halloween of him 👻
Great work! The only downside is that it reminded me of the Powerbook 190 I built out of leftover parts, which I later broke while trying to fix a keyboard problem. I still have it somewhere, only I never went back to it because I was so annoyed with myself.
1:54 Oh shi-, this is serious business
Scary PRAM story, is it halloween already? Great video so far! 😊
I found one of these in my friend's attic! A 2400c/180. Can't seem to find a power adapter, though, and I was dissapointed to find out that they were the model right *after* the duo series! And no internal drives. I still can't wait to install Linux on it though
This looks like by capillary action the acid has travelled through the cables to the other side. You should make sure to swap these cables out.
Sean, you referenced an ultrasonic cleaning in your video, and I like what ste76539 said below about giving it a good cleaning (and his proposed methods which don't involve ultrasonic) but it seems to me that the most thorough cleaning you can give it would be an ultrasonic cleaning that would get all unreachable places. If after a thorough cleaning it doesn't do the job, then you can consider the IDE re-solder or new IDE chip and solder.
"...through the magic of buying two of them..."
Varta! A name that scares the shenanigans out of any retro restorer... (Had to use the word shenanigans cos, you know...)
I would call that a win bud, thx for the interesting content and have a great day.
You're having too much fun with this.
The CF card might legitimately be faster and more reliable than whatever HDD you could put in the thing. I just don't know what the bus speed of the PC Card slot is on those machines, nor the interrupt priority that device gets, so it may not be as good as using an adapter for an internal IDE drive or something.
Here's the weird thing. A CompactFlash card in a PCMCIA adapter should be communicating using ATA. So I don't think the issue is the controller.
The card will be communicating through the PCMCIA controller instead of the hard drive controller.
@@eDoc2020 Well that makes sense.
Looks like a job for Louis Rossmann. Dah dah dah daaaaaaahhhhjh!
love “plays the mac song”
Please keep making your videos more ridiculous, this is wonderful and I love it
I've gotten invested in *not upgraded* hunks of 90s plastics and silicon
Just getting into your channel. I watched your video on the G3 beige upgrade. Will that work for the mini tower ?
That battery leaked bad, and the other screen looks like it was scratched
This is mighty good entertainment at least!
You could put in some kind of modern mac book or raspberry pi into the dead one and just create something horrific
This! Is! VARTA!
When do we get to see the TAM?!
Sooooooon!
Please tell me that's the QuickTime fire effect at 1:44
I've come across a 240 model that had that exact same weird ripple effect going on with the screen, wonder if it was just a bad batch of panels in those later revisions or something? In most of my window shopping for a 2400c I don't think I've seen a 180 with the ripple.
Too much exposure to high temperatures and humidity kills old LCD screens like that. Leaking battery fluid makes it worse.
Is there a dead pixel on your camera?
Edit - or is it a mark on your wall?
Possible to boot the Mac in Linux?, and once in Linux you should be able to see if the IDE bus is being picked up by the OS. In Linux you may also be able to do some diagnostics of the IDE bus.
Sean then Clint huh? Interesting ....
I mean the way you handle ram and never use a static wristband doesnt surprise me that the first one broke. Love your videos, but I do wish you would handle things with a bit more care sometimes.
Attempted redemption story arc
Edit
I loved Are you afraid of the dark?
what a TRULY horrifying tale
Looks like you need to give @mac84 a shot at cleaning and fixing the logic board up for you now, so hopefully you can get it fully working!
As we all know, PCMCIA stands for PowerBook Challenges Make Captivating and Inspiring Accomplishments.
Oh Hai, Perifractic...
Also, isn't it "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms"?
I love your videos! :)
Oh, cmon! How did you not use The Secret of NiMH?
Ahaha
You should throw stuff at whiteboardguy for fun! :D
oh well what might be confusing here? Guy in Unix t-shirt is messing with absolutely unix-way-less Apple 90s laptops!
I prefer actual IBM laptops, or other bands. That was great thought! I use a 2007 MacBook like!
Never change, Sean. Never change. #Spooky
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Looking at the connector for the battery the ide connector seems to be on the other side of the PCB right?
If so there is clear corrosion as you sad your self so probably broken vias and possibly bad surface mounted resistors and caps related to the IDE connector.
I would not clean it before checking and fixing faults because you might clean off evidence of where damage was caused.
But do neutralize the battery acid with vinegar tough so it stops the corrosion.
I clean the area I am repairing and then move to the next area, once its all repaired and working I clean the howl board.
Also repairing vias is relatively easy IF the holes is large enough to get a copper wire trough, a single strand, clean the via and get the copper strand trough the hole, solder to both sides along the trace.
So yea the board need some rework, probably same for the dead one, some rework on both to get them working again.
But yea it always cost time and money to get the gear and time to learn to use it but from what I have seen in your videos you seem to be up to a challenge!
Thansk for another grate video and good luck with the IDE repair!
Chooooong. . . . . . KABOOM!
How do you feel about the 3400c? I see an amazing one currently with a lot of goodies on ebay, definitely drooling over it lol
Bro where did you get that shirt?!?!
i was that swarm of bees sorry, i regret attacking you now i just really wanted pollen
I think that's a corroded trace issue
That wavy texture on the screen is what happens when you leave a laptop closed for too long on a warm or humid place. 2-3 months closed have ruined a few of my laptops
Edit: it causes the display to warp & delaminate with a weird smell
apple putting a consumable buried deep in a computer should be illegal imo.
free market bih
@@ps5hasnogames55 ita not a free market, that would be anarchy
What is the model of the PC Card to CF card? Nice video btw 👍
I just wanted to let you know that I got the Are You Afraid of the Dark reference
That screen looks like someone used the wrong cleaning liquid on it. I only ever use a damp cloth with plain distilled water to clean my screens, and they always come up nice.
I use baby wipes, but I ALWAYS let them sit out for about 20 mins or so, so that they dry out just a smidge.
@@MediocreTCG I just don't like the smell of baby wipes, they smell like wiped babies.
The NightMHare
I hit thumbs-up the moment you said Midnight Society!
make fire as soft
Some batteries release a battery death gas... it can go quite far :(
Oh no not the IBM POWERBOOK
The case from the parts machine could be used for something else. Try cramming the board from one of those brothers machines in it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
it's not the IDEal solution because it's thru a CF card and not IDE
I stopped when you installed the ram. You missed the biggest and most important step of removing any leaking battery. Vinegar on every surface affected. Scrub it after a little while with isopropanol. After that wash it with water. This is important to remove the vinegar. (Battery acid is basic. To the extent it corrode. Vinegar is acidic and that neutralize the strong base. But left not washed away it’s acidic effect will do it’s own work on the internals). After washing you leave it for drying for 1-2 days. What you did I give a few months and you have lost the machine.
Can it play doom
IBM?
Yeah, this powerbook was actually built by IBM
check those ide traces. i bet you there is a broken trace in there. acid is bad mmmkkkk :P
Ask Adrian Black to fix your mac..