Wow. Amazing explanation. Helped me figure out why my build wouldn't feed after a dry fire (lower edge of firing pin had a burr causing the rim to be unable to push it out of the way and overcome the plunger friction while sliding up the breach face). Makes so much sense.
I commented on the last video you posted, about the issue I was having with my mr920 elite. Just wanted to let you know that one of your CS reps called me and helped me get my gun back in action! This is my favorite gun so I'm glad it's back. Just had a sweet range session with it!
You have impressed the heck out of me, that you would go so deep into theory with your engineering design. I have been impressed with the company the day that Cody told me that your company actually take the time to laser sight the red dot sights that are shipped in your pistols.
Brand new owner of a war poet pistol here. I love the gun and I'm really loving this company as a whole. The technical Tuesdays are great and show how much you guys are in tune with your customer base. Thank you!
@@unknownone8479 I love my WP. I did have a connector issue around the 440 round mark but they sent me a new one and I havent had a lick of trouble since. I'm around 4,000 rds now. I ran it pretty wet during the break in period but not nearly as much anymore. No more than my other Glocks
You taking the time to educate the public and explain R&D, is what will set you apart, always. Not to mention your pistols are talking the talk and walking the walk. Keep up the great work
That's exactly what happened to my MR920, broke the firing pin, but the support was A++. Now I understand why it broke. Thanks for the explanation. Btw, I love my new DR920!!! Big hands and all...
Great job, great explanation, great design. I noticed the round hole cleaning my new FDE mr920 elite a few days ago after firing 300 flawless “break in” rounds. I’m loving my new edc and already looking for my second mr920.
This guy is great, love these videos I've learned so much about my MR from these vids. Thanks for taking the time. I run a business and know how crazy things can get day to day so this is much appreciated. Cheers
I loved the video. Your explanation was excellent. I really enjoy the technical and mechanical explanations of Glocks design, and your design. I applaud that you throughly and completely explained the reasons why you made a design change. Not many companies are willing to fully disclose their design and their reasonings for design changes publicly. This explanation has me more intrigued to purchase your DR pistol.
Man, Trevor, I had no idea I'd be sending you into the realm of multiple takes with this request. LOL I really do appreciate your attention to detail in this video explanation. It was well above and beyond the call of duty. Loved it. Thanks.
So glad y’all made this series. Just bought an XR920 and noticed this. Had this exact question. My next question would be changing the striker spring like so many do for Glocks. Say I bought a Gen4 Johnny Glocks trigger and wanted it in the XR. Most would be wondering if the countering force of the return spring is enough to cause light primer strikes with 4.5 lb striker spring….since those forces are opposing each other. I doubt it would be enough to cause any real change, but it’s something worth asking. My XR is a carry pistol so I leave the trigger alone, but I know some ppl that bought a SS pistol as a competition piece.
“What the hell did we do..”; truly appreciate the honest, open approach in addition to a phenomenal handgun; I’ve had an MR920 Elite for several months and like it more each time I shoot it
Great video, thank you for the in-depth knowledge. I would greatly appreciate it if Shadow Systems made a subcompact in the 26 or 43x style. Thank you again for your Techinical Tuesday videos.
I love my MR920 for many reasons including it’s Texas made! I just reduce my carry guns that don’t use anymore and picked up another Elite (without a threaded barrel this time). Carrying while driving 10 hours in appendix carry made me think about having a non thread for long road trips.
You can buy non threaded barrels on their website :) also, if you carry with a light you don't have to worry about the extra length of the threaded barrel.
ive actually never have had a light primer strike with the glock blade firing pin , i have had light primer strikes with the round shadow systems firing pin and a the g48 new style firing pin.
If it was better, then why so many lite primers strike with several different ammunition types in my DR920 which just got sent back for repairs for the lite strikes and countless failures to extract? Never had any lite strikes with any Glock I owned, even with steel case ammunition, just a thought.
First off my lightning strike Glock trigger came with that special firing pin return spring and made huge difference on reset! also Glock 43 do not have that little hook on the trigger housing yet is still designed the same as Gen 5 so how does that one work?
If this is nerdy then please do a lot more nerdy videos! These are amazing. Also I guess this explanation is why the gen 5 firing pin safety is shaped differently?
I wonder if SS also plans on mimicking the Gen 5 firing pin safety's rectangular shape (for more consistent trigger feel). Funny that SS's is rounded and the 5th gen Glock's are rectangular in profile. Kind of ironic it is the opposite scenario here from the firing pin profile!
Hi Mitchell. The MR920L that I carry is a rectangular firing pin. From a manufacturing perspective, all models are converting over to the new firing pin system. Trevor
Is there any way to discern which firing pin style a SS has without seeing it in person (like a Serial Number or Model Number)? I know this question is 2 years after you made this video, but I want to make sure I buy the gun that is the most up to date
Great explanation Trevor. Love my MR920 Combat. BUT, have you guys considered making a lower that's just a tad more ergonomic? I know you're limited by the magazine, but it still feels like a Glock. Don't get me wrong, love the gun, shoots great, but the ergos would be something that I think could benefit from some further evaluation on future designs. Keep up the great work!
Best thing to do is make a G48 clone.... but with the longer (untruncated recoil spring), have backstraps, have a 1911 grip angle, and have a rounded grip (not blocky). Then it would be like the perfect EDC gun... especially with the Shield 15 rd mags.
Just bought my third Shadow systems and I was inspecting a primer on a casing after a range session and noticed that the primer strike was round which confused me LOL all makes sense now.
Hi Paul, the only areas of the part that changed significantly are at the tip. The spacer sleeve is also different to accommodate the return spring. There are no other changes. Trevor
No, yours are still great parts! This is part of a change in design for the newer produced pistols. We still make the old version in case you ever need replacement parts.
Wtf indeed! That doesn’t sound right at all. Please reach out to our customer service at support@shadowsystemscorp.com. We’ll respond ASAP and get a return going. Most guns are sent back out within 48 hours. Sorry for the trouble. Trevor
Great video! I recently picked up the War Poet. What a great gun! Here’s my review: th-cam.com/video/zd-sDktidgk/w-d-xo.html Anyway, thanks for the educational videos.
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Wow. Amazing explanation. Helped me figure out why my build wouldn't feed after a dry fire (lower edge of firing pin had a burr causing the rim to be unable to push it out of the way and overcome the plunger friction while sliding up the breach face). Makes so much sense.
I commented on the last video you posted, about the issue I was having with my mr920 elite. Just wanted to let you know that one of your CS reps called me and helped me get my gun back in action! This is my favorite gun so I'm glad it's back. Just had a sweet range session with it!
Hey thanks for letting us know! Glad everything is squared away. Trevor
You have impressed the heck out of me, that you would go so deep into theory with your engineering design. I have been impressed with the company the day that Cody told me that your company actually take the time to laser sight the red dot sights that are shipped in your pistols.
Yeah I was surprised too. I went to go zero mine and it was pretty much where I like it.
Brand new owner of a war poet pistol here. I love the gun and I'm really loving this company as a whole. The technical Tuesdays are great and show how much you guys are in tune with your customer base. Thank you!
Thinking about getting a war poet, how has the war poet been treating you? I hear the SS likes to run well oil
@@unknownone8479 I love my WP. I did have a connector issue around the 440 round mark but they sent me a new one and I havent had a lick of trouble since. I'm around 4,000 rds now. I ran it pretty wet during the break in period but not nearly as much anymore. No more than my other Glocks
You taking the time to educate the public and explain R&D, is what will set you apart, always. Not to mention your pistols are talking the talk and walking the walk. Keep up the great work
Thanks so much for the comment! We try to share what we know and hope it is helpful. Trevor
I absolutely love your technical Tuesday videos . I also absolutely love my MR920 elite . Sincerely, thank you .
That's exactly what happened to my MR920, broke the firing pin, but the support was A++. Now I understand why it broke. Thanks for the explanation. Btw, I love my new DR920!!! Big hands and all...
I had the same problem with my MR920, broken firing pin.
So did you break a pin with the oils system or the new one?
@@angelobustillos601 So did you break a pin with the oils system or the new one?
@Tacnipples Mine was the old one. They also sent me the old one as a replacement.
Dude………… you’ve just changed my life with this video. For real! I’ve always wondered about this I have G19gen5 and MR920.
Jiffer! Haha, glad we could help. There was a lot to cover, sorry for the long video.
Trevor
Great job, great explanation, great design. I noticed the round hole cleaning my new FDE mr920 elite a few days ago after firing 300 flawless “break in” rounds. I’m loving my new edc and already looking for my second mr920.
This guy is great, love these videos I've learned so much about my MR from these vids. Thanks for taking the time. I run a business and know how crazy things can get day to day so this is much appreciated. Cheers
Was that a direct milled acro slide? Hopefully that is a future option!
I loved the video. Your explanation was excellent. I really enjoy the technical and mechanical explanations of Glocks design, and your design. I applaud that you throughly and completely explained the reasons why you made a design change. Not many companies are willing to fully disclose their design and their reasonings for design changes publicly. This explanation has me more intrigued to purchase your DR pistol.
Man, Trevor, I had no idea I'd be sending you into the realm of multiple takes with this request. LOL
I really do appreciate your attention to detail in this video explanation. It was well above and beyond the call of duty. Loved it. Thanks.
Trevor explained this very well. Thanks for everything you do SS team, your firearm is world class IMO.
Haven't fired it yet but so far I absolutely love my DR920, thank you for being awesome!
Great tutorial Trevor, thanks, much appreciated
So glad y’all made this series. Just bought an XR920 and noticed this. Had this exact question.
My next question would be changing the striker spring like so many do for Glocks. Say I bought a Gen4 Johnny Glocks trigger and wanted it in the XR. Most would be wondering if the countering force of the return spring is enough to cause light primer strikes with 4.5 lb striker spring….since those forces are opposing each other. I doubt it would be enough to cause any real change, but it’s something worth asking.
My XR is a carry pistol so I leave the trigger alone, but I know some ppl that bought a SS pistol as a competition piece.
“What the hell did we do..”; truly appreciate the honest, open approach in addition to a phenomenal handgun; I’ve had an MR920 Elite for several months and like it more each time I shoot it
Great video, thank you for the in-depth knowledge. I would greatly appreciate it if Shadow Systems made a subcompact in the 26 or 43x style. Thank you again for your Techinical Tuesday videos.
I have the MR and DR, and I need a Concealed Role badly.
As a huge gun nerd, and a carrier of a Roland Special War Poet that I carry literally every day, I really do appreciate the detail.
Excellent breakdown of the difference 💯💯💯🏆🏆🏆🏆
Every time I think I know about pistols, here come Trevor.
Right
I love my MR920 for many reasons including it’s Texas made! I just reduce my carry guns that don’t use anymore and picked up another Elite (without a threaded barrel this time). Carrying while driving 10 hours in appendix carry made me think about having a non thread for long road trips.
You can buy non threaded barrels on their website :) also, if you carry with a light you don't have to worry about the extra length of the threaded barrel.
@@fullfire0 I am on their waiting list for barrels and even a Glock 19 trigger....I still want two... slowly replacing my Glocks with Shadow Systems.
Very instructive knowledge, thanks!
Good to know. Thanks for explaining.
You should do a video on the benefits of a fluted barrel!
ACROOOOOOOOOOOOOO mount incoming???????
ive actually never have had a light primer strike with the glock blade firing pin , i have had light primer strikes with the round shadow systems firing pin and a the g48 new style firing pin.
"And then you'll see there's a little baby spring in there. Boop." 🤣
If it was better, then why so many lite primers strike with several different ammunition types in my DR920 which just got sent back for repairs for the lite strikes and countless failures to extract? Never had any lite strikes with any Glock I owned, even with steel case ammunition, just a thought.
First off my lightning strike Glock trigger came with that special firing pin return spring and made huge difference on reset! also Glock 43 do not have that little hook on the trigger housing yet is still designed the same as Gen 5 so how does that one work?
Is there a way to convert the original firing pin system to the new round spring system?
How do I know what generation guns I have? How many gens are there? I have several shadow systems
If this is nerdy then please do a lot more nerdy videos! These are amazing. Also I guess this explanation is why the gen 5 firing pin safety is shaped differently?
Not really, they changed the shape to make the trigger pull smoother. It's ramped now which means less force needed to pull the trigger bar over it
I wonder if SS also plans on mimicking the Gen 5 firing pin safety's rectangular shape (for more consistent trigger feel). Funny that SS's is rounded and the 5th gen Glock's are rectangular in profile. Kind of ironic it is the opposite scenario here from the firing pin profile!
You carry the MR920L correct, is that the same firing system still as the Combat version 920 or was that updated to DR style?
Hi Mitchell. The MR920L that I carry is a rectangular firing pin. From a manufacturing perspective, all models are converting over to the new firing pin system. Trevor
Trevor, does the striker have enough energy to ignite a primer at rest, if magically all the safety mechanisms failed all at once?
On the round striker design, did the addition of a secondary return spring necessitate increasing the main firing pin spring's tension?
Just received brand new warpoet 2.0. Shot the first mag fine. Then the trigger won’t engage firing pin
Is there any way to discern which firing pin style a SS has without seeing it in person (like a Serial Number or Model Number)? I know this question is 2 years after you made this video, but I want to make sure I buy the gun that is the most up to date
Unless you’re buying second hand, every pistol is going to have the round firing pin at this point.
Thank you for your swift response❤
Are these new firing pins available on your website? I might be over looking it and just not seeing them. Thanks
Great explanation Trevor. Love my MR920 Combat. BUT, have you guys considered making a lower that's just a tad more ergonomic? I know you're limited by the magazine, but it still feels like a Glock. Don't get me wrong, love the gun, shoots great, but the ergos would be something that I think could benefit from some further evaluation on future designs.
Keep up the great work!
Best thing to do is make a G48 clone.... but with the longer (untruncated recoil spring), have backstraps, have a 1911 grip angle, and have a rounded grip (not blocky). Then it would be like the perfect EDC gun... especially with the Shield 15 rd mags.
Do you use a heavier weight striker spring to compensate for the rebound spring?
Hi, is all current the MR920 right now it’s not upgraded to new syatem? i’m looking to purchase the mr920 soon
Is there any chance at accidental discharge or does trigger absolutely have to be pulled like a Glock?
Why does mine sound like a bb gun when I dry fire? Is that normal?
Just bought my third Shadow systems and I was inspecting a primer on a casing after a range session and noticed that the primer strike was round which confused me LOL all makes sense now.
Will this fix the firing pins constantly breaking ?
Since the new style has a firing pin return spring, is the firing pin spring the same length and same spec as the prior (rectangular hole)?
Hi Paul, the only areas of the part that changed significantly are at the tip. The spacer sleeve is also different to accommodate the return spring. There are no other changes. Trevor
Hey, Nerdy is fine with me! 😎
"I don't know why this one is chambered in 38sw" lol😂
507k spacer or an open source 3d print file!!!! please
Do we mr918 owners need to get the new firing pins?
No, yours are still great parts! This is part of a change in design for the newer produced pistols. We still make the old version in case you ever need replacement parts.
Aimpoint?
I just got a dr920 today after five mags my trigger won't work.....wtf
Wtf indeed! That doesn’t sound right at all. Please reach out to our customer service at support@shadowsystemscorp.com. We’ll respond ASAP and get a return going. Most guns are sent back out within 48 hours. Sorry for the trouble. Trevor
They get you taken care of?
somewhat related : don't dry fire your MR920 too much without a snap cap people, that's all i can say, top notch support as usual though
Why is that? I've been dry firing Glocks for years. More so with dry fire practice for IDPA. With the price of ammo lately, dry firing is the norm.
I've dry fired mine many thousands of times with no issues
@@cantstartafire My Shadow Systems firing pin snapped in half life a stick after dry firing too much without a snap cap in the chamber.
@@Tayne195 My Shadow Systems firing pin snapped in half life a stick after dry firing too much without a snap cap in the chamber.
@@worstcasescenarioch that sucks. I never use snap caps in mine. Do you know approximately how many times you dry fired it before it broke?
I wonder what that watch is he is wearing
Hi John, I just have on an inexpensive Casio illuminator. Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp ok thanks
👍🏻👍🏻🥃
Please help and fix my gun
Now I have a brand new warpoet that can’t shoot
Hi Steve. Are you having issues with your pistol? Can we help? Feel free to email us at support@shadowsystemscorp.com.
Factory ball ammo
bro just yapping
Great video! I recently picked up the War Poet. What a great gun! Here’s my review: th-cam.com/video/zd-sDktidgk/w-d-xo.html
Anyway, thanks for the educational videos.