Buy And Re-Sell Someone Else’s Firewood? Right Or Wrong?
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- We are officially out of ready to burn firewood for our indoor burning customers and had a repeat customer put in an order so we had to buy someone else’s firewood to fill the order
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Its called business.
I pay your price for your products it becomes my products.
What i do with my products after that is none of your business!
The explanation of that kiln operation was fascinating. Super appreciate the video and his willingness to explain.
Retaining the customer is key! Wouldn’t both me and bit. Great job Adam👍👍
So you need a small kiln to dry a cord or two. A solar, wind kiln add 2 dehumidifier’s running on the panels and wind turbine system. Fans and the box is insulated and for a small investment it will pay for itself over time.
Sounds like you came up with a solution to keep your customers happy. Business is business; especially if your customers order more later this year
That was fun to watch. Quite the operation and volume to keep 3 kilns running.
Adam,
Once again, a great video "ride along" . That's what makes your channel different. You take us along for your adventures to introduce us to other people who are into the same things we are here to learn more about. And of course, we cant help but subscribe to their channel if they have one ! Thanks again from Ohio ! 😊
You sold a product that was not even the same as Matt's - your delivery alone is value added. Good video.
Excellent video Adam. You need Doug on the task! Shelter Logic brown or black sheds in the late spring to early fall will shorten your seasoning time because the shed will give you the temperature. Now you need the air flow and controled with a humidity gauge at the outflow to tell what the bundle is at to test.
This will speed up the process. Heat is the most expensive factor control that and the other 2 are easy. (Intake and exhaust= air flow) Enjoy
I do the same thing from time to time, with local firewood producers who don't want to deliver. They know I'm reselling, and I'm providing a service they don't want to do so we all benefit.
Hey Adam, great video. I have an idea for you to think on…for your sawdust discharge, why not take an IBC bladder, cut the front out of it like a window and then mount it to a pallet, make it easier to handle by machine and contain more of the sawdust/chips?
Another great video Adam.
As far as the “dilemma” goes, Adam we all purchase products from somebody that has bought them or produced them cheaper than the price we pay for them as the customer. It’s a free market economy 👍🏻👍🏻.
Keep up the great work.
You did the right thing. No issues with it at all. Good video 👍
The best time of year for anyone to buy firewood is spring and that's what you use for next year
This is my first year selling bagged firewood. I live on a very busy road ive sold over 700 bags. I'm buying green cord wood and re splitting and stacking for next year. My guys gives my name out for small quantities.
When I started my seasoned firewood business … I bought kiln dried firewood, bundled it and sold it until the first load of wood I had was dry almost 8 months later … after I had enough dry inventory I phased this out … but that’s how I got started.
It wouldn’t bother me if someone did that, especially since you discussed it. Also, that was a very nice neighborhood you delivered to. Huge homes.
It would be nice to have some detailed info on those baskets the skid steer used to load your trailer Adam , that might make a good video itself ... thanks for sharing .
Great video Adam. In all honesty, every industry has in some way, shape, or form have done or will do what you did. It is a win win, if both parties are in agreement and you did not take away from each others customer, both made a profit, and both are good with the deal being it was fully disclosed on both sides. Interesting to see a large operation kiln and how they work. Great information and insight as well. As always, great content.
Great video! I always say we can take care of you.. I’m working on poor man’s Kiln let you know when I get it running
Adam, I was wondering if you were thinking about making the same kind of holder that Matt uses it looks a lot easier getting the wood out then a ibc holder maybe 🤔 Doug would fabricate a few of them to test out 😮😊❤
Matt’s firewood could try starting with a fuel surcharge for picking up from the mills to offset his cost
I’m involved in research. We regularly talk about what our service is worth. My conclusion is that it is worth whatever someone will pay for it, and what we are prepared to sell it for. Example I always use is a bottle of water. Pennies from the tap, several cents if you buy a case, and a dollar or more to buy a single bottle. (More if at an airport). And if you were packing gold out of the desert, and you had the last full bottle, my guess is you could trade it for its weight in gold.
So buying and reselling, no problem. With a slight caveat that “profiteering” has a bunch of negative connotations.
What you did to keep a good customer happy, top marks sir.😊
As a businessman your primary concern is your customer,. On the point of view of your supplier, Where you get your product and for as long as you pay your supplier the money he wants he should not have any influence on how you conduct your business. on the other side (POV of customer) For as long as your customer is satisfied, and/or fulfilled his need and secondly , if the product is equal or better value, then there's nothing wrong with reselling. You are providing a service.
Loved the video. I wouldn’t care if someone bought my wood and resold. As you said I’d be getting my asking price so all would be good on my end.
Awesome video. I really enjoyed it, learned a lot! I'm from PA
Interesting field trip!
The buyers and sellers agreed on the respective prices. You did not take a customer from anyone. Happy, happy, happy.
You can get excellent firewood in January...by ordering it last January. Value-added product upselling or reselling is as old as commerce, itself. Nothing at all wrong with it.
Interesting process. I had no idea how involved those kilns were. Good stuff buddy!
You wanna make one? I’ll get the Halloween candy
@@HometownAcres hah! Youll just eat it all
Isn't that how business works? As long as the guy selling it is getting his price he shouldn't care. That being said I recently had to buy some ash logs from a guy. He assumed I was burning them for heat. When I told him I was selling the wood and how I sell it and how much I get I could tell he was a little put out that I was making so much more than him. Not enough to get mad but it bugged him. Such is life. Dave
Thanks for the vid on the firewood kilns.
Having a few high volume professional customers is much easier to manage than a bunch of retail customers who might or might not know about what they are talking about.
Commerce is commerce , you both ought to enjoy the fruits of your labors . The trick is in finding ways to improve your individual processes
You need those swinging front panels on your totes!
As long as you are not poaching his customer base there should be no issues. IMO
If someone can poach a customer despite the increased cost of another middleman markup, you, the original producer, need to question your sales/marketing efforts. Maybe consider being the wholesale producer? Hire the poacher? Raise prices?
Even if he was poaching someone else's customer base that's capitalism... That's what you're supposed to do. Not taking their customers would be unethical and possibly illegal because it is cartel behavior and raises prices for consumers unnaturally, which is anti-competitive.
It's business, if his customers want to switch providers, they can!
No such thing as “his” customer, they are consumers of a product and if they can acquire it cheaper that makes them a smart consumer..
AMAZING!
Reselling is what every company does, some stuff goes through a lot of people from producer to consumer. Track a side of beef from farm to fork..Bet you get at least 5 stops and price adjustments.
Great video. I bought a wood furnace last winter to build my own firewood kiln which i need to do yet. I know how i want to build it but want to have it in the right location to make loading it and unloading cages easy to do and make sure its the right size to stack cages in but still have room for fans. also need to have dry storage shed to keep the dry firewood out of the rain til its delivered and sold
Fascinating! Thanks Adam.
There is a chanel in the uk called oak farm firewood he built his own kilns and he puts his wood in IBC totes and he uses waste wood
Adam, I read through the comments and many agree. I on the other hand , have an issue. When a person asks ," can you help me out, I have a need ?" . And you help fulfill that need, only to find out you have been duped on what you gave has been sold for a profit.
BUT, in the end, lessons are learned.
That's just my opinion.
So I should have driven 5 hours that day for free?
@@HometownAcres No, Adam, in your situation, Matt knew EXACTLY what you were doing,..."buying"and selling his product. I was commenting on the fact of "being taken advantage of",or being misled. If you PAY for the product,.. at their cost, I don't have any problem with reselling to cover your own cost, but if the product was "given" to you, and you sell it to make a profit, then yes, I have an issue. That's what I believe.
Back in the 90's when I was raising hay a man bought a few hundred bales and I thought nothing of it. After the county fair he came by with a blue ribbon he won WITH MY HAY. SOB was a dealer and using my hay to show quality was selling junk hay at a premium price.
Now that’s shady
@@floatpool8307 I just sold my manufacturing company and retired. If I sold something I built it. No exceptions. It's called honor.
Nearly every retailer "resells" their inventory. But it does bother certain people to know that the buyer will turn around and try to sell the item
You must charge a lot more than the $60 to $85 a cord for firewood they charge around here. I cut my own and I would estimate I have 5-6 hours in sawing, splitting, and handling a cord of wood. $10 an hour I'd never be able to justify that fancy firewood processor, the truck, tractor, trailer....
You are providing a service to your customer and maintaining a relationship by providing what they need/want. "Farming out" some of the process isn't cheating, it's fulfilling your obligation to your customer.
2024 is the year of firewood
My comment. Watch / read Thomas Sowell on the value added by resellers and middlemen. Your value add is the ability / willingness to deal & deliver in small quantities to a customer base that the Firewood Guy doesn't have expertise in.
Great video. Always wondered how the kiln process worked. 2 years for oak? I have a downed oak I bucked/split and was hoping to burn it after drying 18 months. And I have 1 which fell and domino'd 2 others which I have to get to this year. Never ends.
Hey as long as they pay what you feel it’s worth selling it for. What they do with it on their end is on them.
Hello Adam
I've been watching your channel for a year or so !
I enjoy the stuff you do and also very Informative !
I thought it was also time to subscribe !
I think this last video prompted me to respond !
Wow on that load of Wood...i think the guy you bought if from needs to put it through a tumbler before it goes onto a customer vehicle !
From what i could see from your camera show the load and while unloading i was VERY disappointed in the wood !
Example...if i would want Kindling i would buy it in bags !
The other thing there was so much bark and sawdust or some crap in it !
If i was buying firewood it would be the size that YOU sell and quality !
What you purchased from that wood guy...i would have rejected with a vengeance before it would have been unloaded at my place !!!
Wow on the junk some people sell as firewood to a homeowner !
To me if 95 percent aren't piece like you put in your backyard firepit ...then no one else should be delivered that other wood !😊
Similar to pumpkin farms, and "pick your own" apple farms.
They always have pre-picked product available, (for convenience you know).
For the most part, those apples and pumpkins didn't come off that farm.
Take care of the customer!
I sell predominantly Ash, I have cherry maple and oak, but my Ash seasons fast. The rest needs to dry out. You do the same thing when you have private mom pop stores resell it, so it doesn’t bother me.
I was wondering how and where they dispose of the ashes. Does the machine have an automated system of expelling it
Its called being the middle man. Nothing wrong with that.
I cut firewood for a dealer when l first got started it was money anytime of the year l got paid what he got for it was his he got good wood and l got good money
burning well seasoned firewood is the the most import thing there is..15-20 % moisture content is needed..split open a already split piece and test inside with digital moisture meter..a new meter is like 20 bucks yet it seems no firewood sellers seem to have one..if its sizzling out the ends thats way more than 20%!!..probably more like 40%..just wasting money and plugging up your chimney burning wet wood..for a epa re-burn, catalytic or gassifier wood stove to operate correctly the wood needs to be dry!..some new wood stove manufacturers are including a digital moisture meter with their stoves
In situations I've seen, the reselling is adding value in some way. It looks like you picked up, delivered, and even helped stack part of the load which adds value to the customer. I don't think Walmart manufactures most (or any?) of the products they sell - they resell other's goods. I shop there because I can see and hold products from 1000s of companies in one place and buy the ones I want, all in their nearby store instead of 100s of the manufacture's stores.
It wouldn’t bother me if someone bought my product at my asking price. They can do whatever after that.
What could be wrong with reselling firewood? Nobody is getting scammed and everyone ends up with what they want. It seems like a wholesome venture to me.
have done this for 2 years buying product that you dont produce saves you time and makes you coin i produce 1500m3 a year and add on around 500m3 for winter after i sell out keeps the truck moving
As long as your customer is happy and retained it doesn’t matter.
Buying and selling! Nothing wrong with that! work smart not hard!
So how many days to dry the firewood?.. any chance that you can do an entire series on the Kilns ? Hard to find any information on these..
Matt said 3/4 days
@HometownAcres that's pretty fast.. so many questions about it still..
Any chance on doing a Kiln special explaining all the details please
Is that a solar kiln project in the future I hear?
Reselling is not a problem. I'd probably tell the customer it's resold wood, why, and charge a bit extra for the effort.
Nothing wrong with reselling. My neighbor who buys wood from me every year asked if he could resell it at his campground. I said great idea! Once he and I come to an agreement with price, what he does with it after that is up to him!
My wife and I were watching the video and we were wondering what is the name of your wood processor, approximately how much does it cost, and where did you buy it.
It is a Japa 365. It is from Metsa machines and depending on the options you get I believe they are between 18,000 and 25,000
Have you taken to Nathan from out of the woods about a kiln, he has one. He might be able to give you some good advice.
I sell some firewood, it’s not a lot, but once I get my price, I don’t care what happens next. I’ve had a few get a couple cords at once then they tell me it’s for them and a few customers of theirs. I don’t ask about their prices etc. I don’t care.
I also donate a few cords a year to church groups that use fireside meetings as a way to get people gathered. They have asked about me donating to others. On that I don’t donate directly but tell them they can donate from their stock. I know it’s still my donation but I don’t want to get into the expectation of just calling for additional donations. I track my donations to the church but don’t know that the others can be used to offset any for my taxes.
It would bother me if:
reseller is stealing my customers;
reseller is charging 5 times more;
reseller used some sort of both to purchase entire stock to scalp the people.
I make my money, so I wont care. I'm one of the cheaper guys in the area at $75 a face. I'm sure it happens. there's a few at $60, but don't do near the wood I do. there's a few at $80 and $90, but most are at $100 or $120-$130 delivered 10 miles
How big are the baskets
Have you noticed any difference in the drying time/quality of the loose vs stacked totes?
How many bins make a cord
Standard business He's the manufacturer you're the retailer
I think the only thing wrong was not having enough seasoned wood on hand to last the entire heating season. I am not a firewood person or an accountant but I am curious how a small scale firewood seller would profit with a kiln and it's cost and labor vs. having 1-1/2 to 2 years of cut wood in stock?
No matter how much you make you always sell out by January.
I've been selling firewood for a long time Adam and lve always been told, "if you want to become a millionaire selling firewood you'll have to start out as a billionaire". True story😅
On the delivery you made with that wood, how did you know how much wood each customer (2 of them it looked like?) was getting ? Thnx…
The first guy had a rack we were stacking in. So we could see when we reached a half cord
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The only way the guy you buy the firewood from gets to determine what you do with it is if you get to determine what he does with the money you gave him for it!
Random....did you buy your F150 with tow mirrors or add them? When I looked it was next to impossible to find one with them.
What's the first video you did with Matt called
Once they pay for it more power to them if they can get more money
More money
Capitalism is capitalism. Do what you need to do to feed your family!!
If everybody got a profit! Who care‘s.
What area do you live in? I live in Connecticut and wondering if there is a market here for firewood
What brand is your processor ? Thanks
Again, never argue with a mathematician. Business is business. If a customer wants dry wood in February, it will cost more. As customers go, ignorance equal dollars. Sorry but that is a basic economic fact. If you want dry wood for the winter of 2024/2025, order it yesterday.
What do u charge for a full cord 4x4x8’ piled
He sold it
Reselling goods is what most retail stores have done forever. I started reselling bulk landscaping mulch in 1996 out of the back of the gas station I owned (where, by the way, I resold gasoline refined by someone else). The mulch business grew to the point I split it off to its own location and it continued to grow. At the time I sold the company and retired I was reselling kiln dried firewood as well as mulch. You are correct that there isn’t as much profit reselling as making your own but it is possible to make a living…. Ethically.
We have found that producing firewood and delivering firewood is two separate business. It is impossible to produce 300 cords a year than turn around and delivery that ( with just yourself). We exclusively flip firewood now, roughly 300 cords a year we have three suppliers they produce firewood for us we buy it sell it.
Buying a product and selling it for a profit is Business 101. Your rationale and motive are perfectly reasonable.There are a few people out there who never want to see anyone else make a dime. You're happy, Matt is happy. Your customer is happy. Sounds like it worked out well. Love your content. I always appreciate your CPA point of view... although you bean counters can drive me nuts... Ha!
Yeah delivering to those rich people in their McMansions, they can afford the price hike anyways.........
Thou shalt not covet! Can’t get angry cause you’ve established a rapport with your customer base and demand a higher dollar that they are willing to pay and are happy with the product. On top of that you went way out of your way just to make sure your customers have the quality they have come to expect from you. Looks like you need to get in the woodyard and get cuttin for next year!
Yep I’ve been slacking this year on the wood
@@HometownAcreswell then maybe the question for you, is whether it’s worth having some help… so you can more or less do the firewood at some higher potential than you are able to achieve with the amount of time you are desiring to actually put in yourself. Making yourself more of a manager than strictly labourer, where you only do a nominal amount of firewood processing yourself, so it doesn’t require all of your attention (all consuming). Maybe a job or two for neighbor’s kid (eventually your own kid).
Both parties profited, customer was satisfied, everybody's happy that' a good day in my world!!!!
1st to comment from Western North Carolina. I'm jealous of all the nice equipment you have. I do not own a truck. I do not own a splitter. All I have is three chainsaws a bad back and asthma
Well, you are the Bionic Man... so, you got that going for ya.
I agree, this is just like the wholesale model. Businesses buy from a wholesaler to sell to their end customers. You provided the extra value by picking up from another area and delivering it to your customer (you added value).