I remember when DL first accused Regi of being an abusive boss and all this TSM shit happened, the amount of people dragging and insulting Leena and other innocent people that used to work for TSM was disgusting. People like Leena and Parth were just doing their jobs and trying to make TSM the best they could. Weird how people were focusing on them and not Regi.
thats cuz some diehard ignorant TSM fans just wanna give their lord wukong a tuggy and a kiss on the cheek every night. instead of facing reality, they'll just regurgitate whatever the subreddit echo chamber makes that day.
Leena was the president of the company. She was at least partly responsible. Parth I get because he was just a coach. There should not be any excuse for Leena. Part of her job as president was to oversee the company and to make sure this wasn't happening.
Just looked it up and for every instance of a misclassified contractor under CA law TSM can be forced to pay up to 25k per case. All of these "contractors" over all these years could start getting expensive real quick.
Is that just the fine? I would imagine the company would have to reimburse all the employees as well for lost benefits. Unless the 25k is just an all in one umbrella fee although that seems rather low to me idk.
As a once-upon-a-time fan of TSM, I loved Dyrus, TheOddOne, Bjergson, Wildturtle, and XSpecial, but that roster is nearly a decade old now. It was memorable and fun and felt relatable as a group of dudes who formed a team. Even then, it required ignoring the unfortunate stuff with Regi and Chaox which was really just a prophecy for the next decade. But that team is gone now. Time to move on.
So sad. Dyrus was the reason I started league and it feels weird to have to move on from a team I enjoyed about 10 years ago. Nostalgia only takes you so far.
He is 100% right about his description of the role of HR. When I started my 4 year psych degree, one of my first classes was on different jobs in the field you could get and how much money they average, and the professor literally explained Human Resources like Doubelift did.
One exit interview is all you need to know that it’s truth. Those fuckers take note of every little thing so they can paint whatever picture they want.
How TSM treated you as a player is why I didnt stick with the Org after you left initially. So seeing all this come out makes me pretty happy with my decision lol
I got banned in their toxic subreddit for mentioning doublelift in a positive light, a few months ago. I feel so vindicated that this org is burning like wildfire.
It is amazing to watch this man talk about his scene. I remember watching Peter when he was a kid (and so was I) and he was such a egocentric and sometimes disrespectful person and player in most aspects that could be viewed by the public. Whilst I don't know him personally and I certainly don't feel like I can comment on his character truthfully, I'm amazed at who he has become and what he stands for.
People can and should mature very much through their 20s, maybe even more than from age 10-20. Obviously very many people don't much at all due to their own self righteousness though, which is a shame and many times those people will stick to their self righteousness all the way to death. It's a fucked up world because of self righteous assholes from all directions and the live and let live mindset has eroded incredibly in the age of social media (IMO). Sorry for the random thoughts lol.
Meanwhile Regi is still the spoiled kid he was from the start except now he can force people to endure his temper tantrums under threat of unemployment.
it happened when he got kicked from CLG. They blamed him for being the toxic glue sticking the team together, but rotting it from the inside out. I absolutely was a huge fan of aphromoo, but after that whole fiasco, and then him going to 100t acting like hot shit and then literally saying in an interview "Hey we got to worlds, NA will never make it out of groups, we werent expecting to win so we had fun." What the fuck bro. But yet it was doublelifts attitude? DL was cocky, and naive, but he wasnt toxic int he traditional sense of the word. But when he went to TSM, working with that coach (wendle...windle??? i dont remember his name. the Life coach.) DL got way more chill, even on streams, he would actually start looking past simply calling someone shit on his team and say what they couldve done better. and if he died he went from blaming his shit team to saying shit like "UGH why did i do that?" That shit was huge improvement and i suck DL's dick now. His character growth is fucking astounding. Even through all the empty trophy case memes.
I don't even follow competitive League of Legends for the most part these days, but as someone who was there for the original era when it was well known what a piece of shit Andy was, this is cathartic.
I just dont like that the so called spokesperson against the piece of shit Andy is the piece of shit Peter. This genuinely has nothing to do with making the esport a better place and everything to do with how Peter can out-ego Regi.
You know what would be more cathartic? Walking into one of Regi's board meetings while he's yelling at people, and proceeding to give the most brutal ass beating ever recorded in human history, to Regi, in front of his board members and staff as they watch in horrified silence but also veiled smugness, as they witness him get exactly what he has had coming for the entirety of his pathetic, despicable, worthless, maggot life. Leaving that room and dragging his near-lifeless body into the main lobby of his building for all of his abused employees to see. And the leaving without explanation and disappearing into the void of the public, never seen and never heard from again. Knowing that as long as you're never caught, owners and people in the scene who are anything like Andy will forever be quietly terrified that they might be next. THAT would be cathartic.
Yeah it was always comical to me how he was kinda the face of LoL esports for a while when everyone who'd been in the game early knew what a loser he was.
"we're going to ignore the part where they don't treat their workers like humans" 💀💀 every single second of the drama based content has been amazing but that line, for me, is the funniest shit i've heard in a while
IDK what people actually expected, this is the embodiment of an actual old school LoL player who ends up being an org boss. Of course the leadership was going to be trash and toxic.
@@Gabriel64468 Hotshot may not be as toxic but his leadership should still be questioned at the very least. He has not put a solid roster together in ages and no one with any decent talent wants to put on a CLG jersey.
I worked with someone who knew Andy growing up. Apparently Andy was bullied pretty extensively growing up which is Probablly why he has this big ego macho man attitude now.
@@jp-sn6si True, His face is just so punchable, everytime he speaks I just want to sink my foot into his face :D and wait till he speaks :D ex 8 years tsm fan here btw :D
@@darkyperv34 ? Literal family member but ok lol you believe what you want about your hero Andy you TSM fanboy. But he’s been bullied as a kid and has always had temper tantrum outbursts growing up. Now shut ur bitch ass up before you make a fool of yourself again lol
I don't understand how its acceptable for a CEO to go on reddit rather than addressing things on a creditable site......if he wants to address is publicly.
Andy taking a page out of his bay area homies in silicon valley by abusing the fuck out of private contractor loop holes. Smaller companies can totally get sued and fucked over for that but it's standard practice at every tech company in the bay.
Reminds of me when I was looking for jobs last... everyone was doing 6 months contract to hire... It was all 40-60 hour 5 days a week job. In every case I kept trying to get them to tell me what project they need contracted and how I can convince them to change to milestone based pay. They literally just wanted engineers to work a technician line to cover for their turnover and not needing to train as much
Hahha imagine thinking tsm is the only org doing this, I hot homies working with TL under contractor work, they're told after a year they can become full employees
@@nolanchan8288 that's pretty much all tech work/Large companies nowadays, you're not gonna find any company large enough not having contractors, it's always to fill quotas or empty positions temporarily
i can't believe there are still TSM fans defending regi's behavior. saying shit like "oh but regi's just competitive and he's abusive bc he likes to win."
pretty much this Was big fan of C9 becoues of Balls, Hai, Sneaky and all the crazy stuff they were willing to do When they changed mid and top I already lost like 60% of my hype for them
I'm a season 2 vet and fan of the org. Once the controversy boiled over and Berjg left I felt no ties to the org. I hope all the current players and employees come out of this experience for the better. Sad to see how the gild peels off.
All this Andy drama begs the question though: how the hell did TSM become as successful as it is being "the worst run company"? Companies don't run themselves. Edit: apparently it's Leena running TSM
TSM rode the bus while the entire industry gained massive attention It’s like how Ninja is kinda a shit streamer, but he was able to ride out the fornite wave. He’s not successful because he’s a good streamer by any means, but he got lucky at the precise right time.
They literally just got lucky. Regi was in the right place at the right time playing the right game that he was JUST good enough to become prominent in and capitalize on. esports was only really becoming a thing when League was starting to get itself established as a popular game, and Riot was smart enough to invest extremely heavily into what they saw as the biggest future market in the industry, so the well-known faults in Regi's personality were quietly swept under the rug for years so that Riot could promote him and his team (and a lot of other players, obviously, but very few of them were NOTORIOUS giga a-holes like Regi).
Damn, As pathetic as it sounds, I just learned that I have been mentally abused at my former work place. I honestly thought, I just was soft and not good at my job, and its part of work environment to be harsh on you, but I just realised, watching DF comments that, you can be blunt and not be an asshole
You can see DL’s train of thought throughout the video heading in the direction of Labor Unions and why every industry needs them lol. I love how he mentions that every industry has toxic workplaces to some extent, and that bringing these wrongdoings to light drives out that negativity and elevates the community.
leena keeping everything together for tsm makes so much sense cuz as soon as she left everything fell apart, it was already cracking but her leaving just crashed everything down
Basically Andy was a bully teacher that makes you dont want to go to school Leena was the nice teacher that makes you want to go to school and now that Leena is gone all the students dont want to come to school
btw HR is there to protect the company but the way they protect the company is by being extremely helpful to employees so they can't claim wrongdoing. HR departments vary of course, but they work to help you in order to protect the company, so both are true.
It depends on what level you are. If you are like entry level at Walmart hr is great. They don't give two shits about department manager. If you are one of those dms or asms they are pretty horrible.
This isn't.. true. HR solely exists to protect the company and in many cases plays a role in perpetuating harm towards employees. Outside the efforts of very good intentioned individuals, HR will only "help" you when your interests align with the company's e.g. preventing lawsuits such as sexual harassment, discrimination, which may be what you had in mind, but doesn't paint the whole picture. Taking action because it's illegal is the bare minimum, but this doesn't even happen sometimes as they can choose to not take your report seriously, and HR will always take the path that protects the company the most, which usually involves an NDA, and if the harrasser is high enough at the company, often won't be fired and in some cases, the one who reported the harrassment/discrimination will literally be ousted instead. When it comes to minor greviances HR is practically useless, at best it takes actions to ensure your productivity, and in fact the company generally uses these reports to prevent unionization. A company isn't voluntarily paying a whole ass department just to help workers even if that's what their superficial purpose is described as, and this fairytale notion should be further undermined by the fact that almost everything else a company does is to exploit or extract more value from workers.
Eh, when push comes to shove they protect the company. I’ve been in large organizations for decades. Folks, HR is not your friend. They are not there to look out for you. They help the company navigate liability, sometimes with a smile. Sometimes they don’t bother with the smile.
So that's a misconception about HR. HR is a body hired by the company to help employees w rules and benefits relating to the company. They will minimally fight for you when u r really in the right and another EMPLOYEE is really in the wrong. But they do not ho against the company. HR are still enployees of the company.
As a welder I’ve told multiple bosses they are wrong and had big altercations with several bosses. I’m not the type no person to back down but I know if I get fired I will have another job the next day. I know my talent and believe in be who you can afford to be. I’ve also never been fired from a job
Somehow it actually turned out to be EVEN WORSE than the worst speculations that were thrown out...people were already adjacent to the fact he's toxic towards the players and staff, but I never thought he would be that deranged to fire someone because he was told he was wrong, that is actually insanely childish and really makes you wonder who and why financially supports this org... Regi should definitely be distanced from the company, he is literally solo tanking it's entire value, everything about TSM sounds great on paper except that loose cannon
I’m no Psych Dr but I was surprised for years how this guy didn’t get taken down sooner and how staunchly TSM fans would defend him. The signs of an abusive unstable boss have been clear as day for quite awhile. Idk what’s to be done…for the sake of the brand it would be great if Andy would sell and move on in life, but I doubt his crazy ego would do that. Hopefully he steps aside before the org is destroyed.
I remember in a tsm legends video, the team was in a post game meeting where andy mispronounced sejuani, hauntzer laughed and immediately andy told him to shut up. It kinda tells something about his characters considering that he knew he was being filmed, just imagine working with him everyday off camera.
This is a man who was never held accountable. Honestly, I understand fear but honestly it's not hard to instill it in your oppressor. Watch there habits, gather a group, stomp him out on his way home from work. Rinse and repeat until they give in. It is worth the charge, you are human, and deserve to be treated as such, and if anyone denies you that right, then show them the animal they treat you as.
doublelift now that its been quite a while since the infamous 2020 "spring split doesnt matter", have you ever considered revisiting that topic and just discussing what happened? I enjoyed your time on Team Liquid far more because the team had better infrastructure and treated their players far more professionally.
Leena was 100% right. Once you and bjerg left the team I realized I wasn't actually a TSM fan, but a fan of you two. Nothing wrong with the other members and I support them.
There are still TSM players from other games as well as the possible new league roster and xmithie as coach that I truly want the best for. I hope this all gets sorted out and TSM can truly earn its real glory because like dlift said there are good people that work at TSM
I mean amazon is still regarded as a stand up company even after all the allegations of employes being treated as sub humans. Late stage capitalism in a nutshell.
how does that have anything to do with capitalism. Capitalism is characterized by free markets, including for the job market. If an employee is being treated poorly, capitalism encourages them to switch jobs. Why didn't they just leave TSM right after realizing the problem is beyond me. I guess they sold their souls for money?
As a Filipino, we're used to this. It's in our political system, you guys check out our presidential candidate. Find out on your own, u wont regret it.
Honestly I think the lcs might do something about regi. If we look back to the echofox situation they gave them an ultimatum after one of their shareholders was found to have sent racist emails iirc.
Adding to the 50k a year in LA. I live in Oregon our poverty is around 60-80k a year. I make around 45k a year and had to spend 2 years finding a place to rent. LA is WAY harder and more expensive.
Holy shit. As someone who works in tech, working at Blitz sounds awful. I would be out of there in a heartbeat. I feel for the people who are under their org who doesn't have the ability to leave.
It's crazy or is it strangely ironic the parallels of this drama with that of Johnny/Amber, in how they manage to be narcissistic in their abuse and manipulation of their victims. It's eye opening to see how this kind of abuse is perpetuated because they believe they can get away with it because their victim(s) are just too weak or too scared to speak up about it. And how by and large they have been proven right for so long until now. Just because most people would rather take the L and move on instead of keep poking at the wound.
I worked arguably my dream job but had an environment like this. Wasn't worth it, it was so aweful. Left after two years and also was so burned I career changed.
its actually so crazy how many people get hr wrong they are for sure not looking out for you they are looking out for themselves and the company if they do the opposite there job is at risk you have to walk a fine line at hr
The fact that even one individual like Reginald makes it to a place of power and wealth should make us really question what our society is positively reinforcing. And Reginald is by no means an anomaly in the business world. So yea...
What's funny about this, is that I know really nothing about TSM or its players and I barley even play or watch that more, but this doesn't surprise me because back when Dyrus was a part of TSM, there was a live stream when regi was being toxic to dyrus and he blew up. From that point I already felt and off feeling about regi
Its funny that CALIFORNIA has the weirdest laws that get the state more reason to tax people as an employee not as a contractor while they would be a contractor in other states Edit: it is good to keep in mind most contractors can more or less dodge taxes depending on your state and in cali they need to pay those senators... I MEAN HOMELESS PEOPLE
I made a post about TSMs terrible management that got some reddit gold and whatnot nearly THREE YEARS AGO. I said that as a fan so much felt off, and that there was no reason to like TSM outside of the players. It's good to see it finally coming to light, hopefully the players and fans can finally get the treatment they deserve, and not the consistent BS that's been put out.
I really like DL, but thats not true They were really strong with Turtle until season 5 MSI or even with Chaox in season 2 But after dl left they never got good again
@Gerry Teigland Eide winning IEM 2015 was considered as really good aswell tho - eventho they didnt have to play the Tigers in the finals they managed to beat CJ Entus (3rd best Team in Korea at that time) and the Flash Wolves (who defeated C9 and SK - EU first Seed) in their side of the bracket Their season 4 worlds was the best showing TSM has ever had at worlds and id say IEM2015 was their best showing international (I mean, there werent many good ones 😂) Id even say they werent good in NA standarts they were overall a good team But I mean it doesnt really matter, after they kicked their 2nd era of good players (Sven, Bio, DL - even if it felt like a natural move back then) they NEVER got relevant again 🥴
Just because you work 40 hours a week does NOT mean you are entitled to a full time position. Just cause you moved to cali without first securing your position is pretty weird imo. I've worked many contract positions and the only one I got hired on full time I worked well over 40 hours and did not clock the hours over 40, and I am not complaining. Do that if you want to be successful boys.
HR almost always looking out for the best interest of the company. In smaller companies you cab have allies that will fight for you, but again politics and the company come first.
So Riot bans Tyler1 who flames the equally toxic community, then they do nothing about Reginald for flaming employees who are part of the official, professional title of the game. Brilliant decisions by Riot management
And Riot eventually caved to Tyler's fans and made him the face of the league fanbase which makes sense because the league fanbase primarily consists of raging assholes who complain that their game is filled with raging assholes.
@@dirtywrx8478 oh they can do what ever they want. It doesn't remove their liquipedia page... In real sports it would be more likely for the company to get sold and CEO would be forced to step down. But esports is still the wild west
So I used to watch LCS a long time ago (when DL had a lot of hot takes for other players and teams) and it is really good to see how much he has grown up. I watched this video to kinda update myself on what is going on. I found his analysis informative and believable. I always liked your approach of talking trash. I thought many of the player were a little bit soft for complaining about someone telling them the truth.
HR is always 100% there to protect the company. You can use that to your advantage but it’s important to keep in mind they’re always going to be on the side of their paycheck.
I think he is wrong about saying TSM reddit is Andy's echo chamber. I've been browsing it recently and there has been a lot of harsh words towards the entire management.
Tbh tsm leaving the league wouldnt be so bad, i think the last time i really was excited to watch was when bjerg doubelift was on it or the first few times bjerg coached, but to me it seems like its just turning into clg where u only remember them for what they once were, and it would be way more exciting if there was two orgs like eg or 100t coming into the league again and doing a good job to win
I remember when DL first accused Regi of being an abusive boss and all this TSM shit happened, the amount of people dragging and insulting Leena and other innocent people that used to work for TSM was disgusting. People like Leena and Parth were just doing their jobs and trying to make TSM the best they could. Weird how people were focusing on them and not Regi.
After that he still wanted to join tsm tho kinda ironic
@@yasuoarima6022 that was before he blew up on them.
thats cuz some diehard ignorant TSM fans just wanna give their lord wukong a tuggy and a kiss on the cheek every night. instead of facing reality, they'll just regurgitate whatever the subreddit echo chamber makes that day.
@@yasuoarima6022 u brain work no?
Leena was the president of the company. She was at least partly responsible. Parth I get because he was just a coach. There should not be any excuse for Leena. Part of her job as president was to oversee the company and to make sure this wasn't happening.
Just looked it up and for every instance of a misclassified contractor under CA law TSM can be forced to pay up to 25k per case. All of these "contractors" over all these years could start getting expensive real quick.
Is that just the fine? I would imagine the company would have to reimburse all the employees as well for lost benefits. Unless the 25k is just an all in one umbrella fee although that seems rather low to me idk.
@@owenstevens7151 if it's 25k per contractor per yr it wouldn't be a low number
@@Tehaxor1 It would be if they cheated each employee of more than $25k over the course of their career, which seems likely.
that's pretty cheap for tsm, what about the employees? do they get anything?
That sounds good, but how does it work if the ex-contractor does not have enough money for a lawyer to pursue this compensation?
He was right. All he had to do was wait and all the walls come down
My brother the ceiling itself collapsed in on itself.
@@thedandguy189 i mean he is the one who spoke about it first I believe then it fell apart
@@Janluvspeep oh absolutely but if the proverbial walls didn’t cave in on themselves, the place would’ve eventually just exploded.
I mean thats what jfk about communists then he was shot by ****** * ****
"Dont let Regi Morde ult him" got me fucking dead
Just buy QSS bro
49:15 "They're not fans of what Andy game them, they're fans of what I gave them." - Leena
Damn, I was not prepared for how hard that hit.
"We investigated ourselves, we found no wrong doing." LMAO!!!!!!! Greatest ADC EVER. The Pentakill GOD.
As a once-upon-a-time fan of TSM, I loved Dyrus, TheOddOne, Bjergson, Wildturtle, and XSpecial, but that roster is nearly a decade old now. It was memorable and fun and felt relatable as a group of dudes who formed a team. Even then, it required ignoring the unfortunate stuff with Regi and Chaox which was really just a prophecy for the next decade.
But that team is gone now.
Time to move on.
They were the reason I started league. I miss theoddones streams
@@myurikraft2226 we miss the general
I was a fan of the 2016 roster, man those were the days. Org just isn't the same anymore.
Thats great but you violated Xpecial’s name my guy
So sad. Dyrus was the reason I started league and it feels weird to have to move on from a team I enjoyed about 10 years ago. Nostalgia only takes you so far.
He is 100% right about his description of the role of HR. When I started my 4 year psych degree, one of my first classes was on different jobs in the field you could get and how much money they average, and the professor literally explained Human Resources like Doubelift did.
One exit interview is all you need to know that it’s truth. Those fuckers take note of every little thing so they can paint whatever picture they want.
Hr is the most useless of any company cleaning is mode important
Really disappointed in c9 Jack, he knew what he was doing. Any argument citing lack of knowledge would blatantly be a lie, it’s just sad
Bruh they just do the same thing but as different people
why would anyone put their neck on the line lol
@@sugar4936 nah sneaky and meteos have came out and said that jack is a great owner who actually cares about the players
@@xKrypto98x Pfft. Jack's better at pretending to care is all
@@ObiWanShinobi917 yeah sure ill take your word over two people who had worked with him for half a decade
How TSM treated you as a player is why I didnt stick with the Org after you left initially. So seeing all this come out makes me pretty happy with my decision lol
As an OG clg fan,it brings a tear of joy seeing TSM burn down in flames like this
I got banned in their toxic subreddit for mentioning doublelift in a positive light, a few months ago. I feel so vindicated that this org is burning like wildfire.
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@@luisdelossantos830 ME FUCKING TOOOO
How could you leave! And miss out on being a fan during the dumpster fire of a season we just had??? Your loss! Lol
It is amazing to watch this man talk about his scene. I remember watching Peter when he was a kid (and so was I) and he was such a egocentric and sometimes disrespectful person and player in most aspects that could be viewed by the public. Whilst I don't know him personally and I certainly don't feel like I can comment on his character truthfully, I'm amazed at who he has become and what he stands for.
He is kind of an asshole too lol. He is not a bad person tho
People can and should mature very much through their 20s, maybe even more than from age 10-20. Obviously very many people don't much at all due to their own self righteousness though, which is a shame and many times those people will stick to their self righteousness all the way to death. It's a fucked up world because of self righteous assholes from all directions and the live and let live mindset has eroded incredibly in the age of social media (IMO). Sorry for the random thoughts lol.
Meanwhile Regi is still the spoiled kid he was from the start except now he can force people to endure his temper tantrums under threat of unemployment.
it happened when he got kicked from CLG. They blamed him for being the toxic glue sticking the team together, but rotting it from the inside out. I absolutely was a huge fan of aphromoo, but after that whole fiasco, and then him going to 100t acting like hot shit and then literally saying in an interview "Hey we got to worlds, NA will never make it out of groups, we werent expecting to win so we had fun." What the fuck bro. But yet it was doublelifts attitude? DL was cocky, and naive, but he wasnt toxic int he traditional sense of the word. But when he went to TSM, working with that coach (wendle...windle??? i dont remember his name. the Life coach.) DL got way more chill, even on streams, he would actually start looking past simply calling someone shit on his team and say what they couldve done better. and if he died he went from blaming his shit team to saying shit like "UGH why did i do that?" That shit was huge improvement and i suck DL's dick now. His character growth is fucking astounding. Even through all the empty trophy case memes.
I don't even follow competitive League of Legends for the most part these days, but as someone who was there for the original era when it was well known what a piece of shit Andy was, this is cathartic.
I just dont like that the so called spokesperson against the piece of shit Andy is the piece of shit Peter. This genuinely has nothing to do with making the esport a better place and everything to do with how Peter can out-ego Regi.
now i dont even say i need to take a shit any more , i just say i gotta go take an andy
You know what would be more cathartic? Walking into one of Regi's board meetings while he's yelling at people, and proceeding to give the most brutal ass beating ever recorded in human history, to Regi, in front of his board members and staff as they watch in horrified silence but also veiled smugness, as they witness him get exactly what he has had coming for the entirety of his pathetic, despicable, worthless, maggot life.
Leaving that room and dragging his near-lifeless body into the main lobby of his building for all of his abused employees to see. And the leaving without explanation and disappearing into the void of the public, never seen and never heard from again. Knowing that as long as you're never caught, owners and people in the scene who are anything like Andy will forever be quietly terrified that they might be next.
THAT would be cathartic.
Yeah it was always comical to me how he was kinda the face of LoL esports for a while when everyone who'd been in the game early knew what a loser he was.
Yeah I was there live in Dyrus stream when Regi berated him
"we're going to ignore the part where they don't treat their workers like humans" 💀💀
every single second of the drama based content has been amazing but that line, for me, is the funniest shit i've heard in a while
IDK what people actually expected, this is the embodiment of an actual old school LoL player who ends up being an org boss. Of course the leadership was going to be trash and toxic.
Seems a bit unfair, Hotshot never had any drama when he was stillheavily involved in CLG
@@Gabriel64468 Hotshot had his own drama, but I agree, I don't think it was ever to this scale.
What about Ocelote
@@Gabriel64468 Hotshot may not be as toxic but his leadership should still be questioned at the very least. He has not put a solid roster together in ages and no one with any decent talent wants to put on a CLG jersey.
@@handyman81216 Hotshot realised he wasn't CEO material and dipped like a mad lad
I worked with someone who knew Andy growing up. Apparently Andy was bullied pretty extensively growing up which is Probablly why he has this big ego macho man attitude now.
yeah look at how he looks, that's some crazy bully bait right there.
@@jp-sn6si True, His face is just so punchable, everytime he speaks I just want to sink my foot into his face :D and wait till he speaks :D ex 8 years tsm fan here btw :D
No he wasn't, Nice lying though.
@@darkyperv34 ? Literal family member but ok lol you believe what you want about your hero Andy you TSM fanboy. But he’s been bullied as a kid and has always had temper tantrum outbursts growing up. Now shut ur bitch ass up before you make a fool of yourself again lol
I don't understand how its acceptable for a CEO to go on reddit rather than addressing things on a creditable site......if he wants to address is publicly.
A CEO should address any issues internally, any external conversation is a failing for a private organization.
Regi is stuck in 2012
Don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I really hope Spica is doing well. #FreeSpica
#freetsmemployees
Cannot wait until that man escapes
Andy taking a page out of his bay area homies in silicon valley by abusing the fuck out of private contractor loop holes. Smaller companies can totally get sued and fucked over for that but it's standard practice at every tech company in the bay.
Reminds of me when I was looking for jobs last... everyone was doing 6 months contract to hire... It was all 40-60 hour 5 days a week job. In every case I kept trying to get them to tell me what project they need contracted and how I can convince them to change to milestone based pay. They literally just wanted engineers to work a technician line to cover for their turnover and not needing to train as much
Hahha imagine thinking tsm is the only org doing this, I hot homies working with TL under contractor work, they're told after a year they can become full employees
@@nolanchan8288 that's pretty much all tech work/Large companies nowadays, you're not gonna find any company large enough not having contractors, it's always to fill quotas or empty positions temporarily
The shit id give for a Breaking Point - TSM Editions with regi playing dardoch
i can't believe there are still TSM fans defending regi's behavior. saying shit like "oh but regi's just competitive and he's abusive bc he likes to win."
I always cheer on players not orgs. DL is the man I've been a fan for forever it feels at this point.
Yep
pretty much this
Was big fan of C9 becoues of Balls, Hai, Sneaky and all the crazy stuff they were willing to do
When they changed mid and top I already lost like 60% of my hype for them
THIS IS HOW ORGS TREAT THEIR LEGENDS, ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
This is how *TSM treats their legends
I'm a season 2 vet and fan of the org. Once the controversy boiled over and Berjg left I felt no ties to the org. I hope all the current players and employees come out of this experience for the better. Sad to see how the gild peels off.
All this Andy drama begs the question though: how the hell did TSM become as successful as it is being "the worst run company"? Companies don't run themselves.
Edit: apparently it's Leena running TSM
TSM rode the bus while the entire industry gained massive attention
It’s like how Ninja is kinda a shit streamer, but he was able to ride out the fornite wave. He’s not successful because he’s a good streamer by any means, but he got lucky at the precise right time.
They literally just got lucky. Regi was in the right place at the right time playing the right game that he was JUST good enough to become prominent in and capitalize on. esports was only really becoming a thing when League was starting to get itself established as a popular game, and Riot was smart enough to invest extremely heavily into what they saw as the biggest future market in the industry, so the well-known faults in Regi's personality were quietly swept under the rug for years so that Riot could promote him and his team (and a lot of other players, obviously, but very few of them were NOTORIOUS giga a-holes like Regi).
Damn, As pathetic as it sounds, I just learned that I have been mentally abused at my former work place. I honestly thought, I just was soft and not good at my job, and its part of work environment to be harsh on you, but I just realised, watching DF comments that, you can be blunt and not be an asshole
TSM PR team may be a shit job but you know you have job security. Always some kind of fire to put out
You can see DL’s train of thought throughout the video heading in the direction of Labor Unions and why every industry needs them lol. I love how he mentions that every industry has toxic workplaces to some extent, and that bringing these wrongdoings to light drives out that negativity and elevates the community.
leena keeping everything together for tsm makes so much sense cuz as soon as she left everything fell apart, it was already cracking but her leaving just crashed everything down
Same people who shittalk their team every game and make everyone tilt and think it's everyone else's fault they're losing.
Basically
Andy was a bully teacher that makes you dont want to go to school
Leena was the nice teacher that makes you want to go to school
and now that Leena is gone all the students dont want to come to school
btw HR is there to protect the company but the way they protect the company is by being extremely helpful to employees so they can't claim wrongdoing. HR departments vary of course, but they work to help you in order to protect the company, so both are true.
Yeah but in a company where they mistreat and miss classify workers protecting the company is like blocking the sun with one finger
no
It depends on what level you are. If you are like entry level at Walmart hr is great. They don't give two shits about department manager. If you are one of those dms or asms they are pretty horrible.
This isn't.. true. HR solely exists to protect the company and in many cases plays a role in perpetuating harm towards employees. Outside the efforts of very good intentioned individuals, HR will only "help" you when your interests align with the company's e.g. preventing lawsuits such as sexual harassment, discrimination, which may be what you had in mind, but doesn't paint the whole picture.
Taking action because it's illegal is the bare minimum, but this doesn't even happen sometimes as they can choose to not take your report seriously, and HR will always take the path that protects the company the most, which usually involves an NDA, and if the harrasser is high enough at the company, often won't be fired and in some cases, the one who reported the harrassment/discrimination will literally be ousted instead.
When it comes to minor greviances HR is practically useless, at best it takes actions to ensure your productivity, and in fact the company generally uses these reports to prevent unionization.
A company isn't voluntarily paying a whole ass department just to help workers even if that's what their superficial purpose is described as, and this fairytale notion should be further undermined by the fact that almost everything else a company does is to exploit or extract more value from workers.
Eh, when push comes to shove they protect the company. I’ve been in large organizations for decades. Folks, HR is not your friend. They are not there to look out for you. They help the company navigate liability, sometimes with a smile. Sometimes they don’t bother with the smile.
So that's a misconception about HR. HR is a body hired by the company to help employees w rules and benefits relating to the company. They will minimally fight for you when u r really in the right and another EMPLOYEE is really in the wrong. But they do not ho against the company. HR are still enployees of the company.
As a welder I’ve told multiple bosses they are wrong and had big altercations with several bosses. I’m not the type no person to back down but I know if I get fired I will have another job the next day. I know my talent and believe in be who you can afford to be. I’ve also never been fired from a job
Imagine learning and actual life skill and trade and standing up for yourself as a human being
Somehow it actually turned out to be EVEN WORSE than the worst speculations that were thrown out...people were already adjacent to the fact he's toxic towards the players and staff, but I never thought he would be that deranged to fire someone because he was told he was wrong, that is actually insanely childish and really makes you wonder who and why financially supports this org...
Regi should definitely be distanced from the company, he is literally solo tanking it's entire value, everything about TSM sounds great on paper except that loose cannon
So sad. A fading memory of an org, with good players and workers trapped inside it
I’m no Psych Dr but I was surprised for years how this guy didn’t get taken down sooner and how staunchly TSM fans would defend him. The signs of an abusive unstable boss have been clear as day for quite awhile.
Idk what’s to be done…for the sake of the brand it would be great if Andy would sell and move on in life, but I doubt his crazy ego would do that. Hopefully he steps aside before the org is destroyed.
i feel sorry for all those people that go on walks now. I thought they just wanted to exercise or get fresh air but now i know better
Idk if you're being sarcastic, but I think fresh air and exercise are both good for mental health problems haha
@@eatsleepideologycritique1615 I think he meant he didn't realize how bad things r if taking 2h walks everyday
I remember in a tsm legends video, the team was in a post game meeting where andy mispronounced sejuani, hauntzer laughed and immediately andy told him to shut up. It kinda tells something about his characters considering that he knew he was being filmed, just imagine working with him everyday off camera.
This is a man who was never held accountable. Honestly, I understand fear but honestly it's not hard to instill it in your oppressor. Watch there habits, gather a group, stomp him out on his way home from work. Rinse and repeat until they give in. It is worth the charge, you are human, and deserve to be treated as such, and if anyone denies you that right, then show them the animal they treat you as.
League Of Legends should take a stance on this by removing WuKong from the game.
doublelift now that its been quite a while since the infamous 2020 "spring split doesnt matter", have you ever considered revisiting that topic and just discussing what happened? I enjoyed your time on Team Liquid far more because the team had better infrastructure and treated their players far more professionally.
He has revisited it on his podcast. I forget which episode though.
Makes sense now why their Fortnite players just DISSAPEARED randomly🤔
Leena was 100% right. Once you and bjerg left the team I realized I wasn't actually a TSM fan, but a fan of you two. Nothing wrong with the other members and I support them.
There are still TSM players from other games as well as the possible new league roster and xmithie as coach that I truly want the best for. I hope this all gets sorted out and TSM can truly earn its real glory because like dlift said there are good people that work at TSM
The best they can do is just move on when the the leadership is fucked at the core.
I actually started to like doublelift when he released the first video about him shitting on Regi.
when you go to webster's dictionary and look up "trash," it should just have a picture of andy as the definition
I mean amazon is still regarded as a stand up company even after all the allegations of employes being treated as sub humans. Late stage capitalism in a nutshell.
how does that have anything to do with capitalism. Capitalism is characterized by free markets, including for the job market. If an employee is being treated poorly, capitalism encourages them to switch jobs. Why didn't they just leave TSM right after realizing the problem is beyond me. I guess they sold their souls for money?
I miss 2016 tsm with dl bjerg sven biofrost and hauntzer :(
There’s a reason why Michael hates Toby so damn much. Hr is not your friend
As a Filipino, we're used to this. It's in our political system, you guys check out our presidential candidate. Find out on your own, u wont regret it.
based pinoy
Reminds me of that movie the dictator where if u piss off aladeen he makes a signal and you’re carried off to get executed
Honestly I think the lcs might do something about regi. If we look back to the echofox situation they gave them an ultimatum after one of their shareholders was found to have sent racist emails iirc.
Adding to the 50k a year in LA. I live in Oregon our poverty is around 60-80k a year. I make around 45k a year and had to spend 2 years finding a place to rent. LA is WAY harder and more expensive.
Holy shit. As someone who works in tech, working at Blitz sounds awful. I would be out of there in a heartbeat. I feel for the people who are under their org who doesn't have the ability to leave.
the guy at 38:25 made me cringe, jesus. Why do people think you can just quit your job like its nothing?
Also DL such a lucky dude with leena
DL obviously doesn't know anything about HR. Come on, just take a look at the trio and you know TSM's HR was not doing anything at all. lmao
i found out the hard way too... told the manager the truth... get fired... welcome to reality
thought i had a monitor flare in the bottom right part of my screen for like 5mins
It’s funny because Leena was in the best position to enact change in the company… neither Doublelift or her seem to acknowledge this
It's crazy or is it strangely ironic the parallels of this drama with that of Johnny/Amber, in how they manage to be narcissistic in their abuse and manipulation of their victims. It's eye opening to see how this kind of abuse is perpetuated because they believe they can get away with it because their victim(s) are just too weak or too scared to speak up about it. And how by and large they have been proven right for so long until now. Just because most people would rather take the L and move on instead of keep poking at the wound.
"Anytime you going for a more than a 15min walk if it's 2 hour walk guys you are not mentally well" - Yiliang "Peter" Peng
I worked arguably my dream job but had an environment like this. Wasn't worth it, it was so aweful. Left after two years and also was so burned I career changed.
I would also like to add 2 things
1. I like doublelift
2. Algorithm
its actually so crazy how many people get hr wrong they are for sure not looking out for you they are looking out for themselves and the company if they do the opposite there job is at risk you have to walk a fine line at hr
The fact that even one individual like Reginald makes it to a place of power and wealth should make us really question what our society is positively reinforcing. And Reginald is by no means an anomaly in the business world. So yea...
Whew, this whole TSM imploding this is worse than I thought.
Bjergson was allowed to own half of TSM's league department and he still dipped so you know how bad it is lol
What's funny about this, is that I know really nothing about TSM or its players and I barley even play or watch that more, but this doesn't surprise me because back when Dyrus was a part of TSM, there was a live stream when regi was being toxic to dyrus and he blew up. From that point I already felt and off feeling about regi
Its funny that CALIFORNIA has the weirdest laws that get the state more reason to tax people as an employee not as a contractor while they would be a contractor in other states
Edit: it is good to keep in mind most contractors can more or less dodge taxes depending on your state and in cali they need to pay those senators... I MEAN HOMELESS PEOPLE
So why did Bjerg stick around for so long and then become part of management??
Maybe, just maybe, he's attached to the League team he's built.
Being a minority owner, and a sports team coach is not the same as being in organisational management.
Make this a new series...Doublelift's Drama Corner
every employer is looking out for their own profits. unless they are heavily regulated to take care of their workers.
this shit happens everywhere.
The fact imperialhal is still in Tsm ... Im willing to bet he is Andy best friend...theirs no articles about Hal experience with Andy Dinh
40:11 Watched this part like a million times and it's still funny every single time.
HR is never your friend. In actuality it's your worst enemy that will strangle you at the most opportunistic moment.
1:00 who the hell ever thought, that HR is in company to help her workers :O
"hey at least you're not hiking to a ski lodge" :'D
I made a post about TSMs terrible management that got some reddit gold and whatnot nearly THREE YEARS AGO. I said that as a fan so much felt off, and that there was no reason to like TSM outside of the players.
It's good to see it finally coming to light, hopefully the players and fans can finally get the treatment they deserve, and not the consistent BS that's been put out.
Idk how Rick Fox got kicked out of the LCS and not Reginald.
Reginald is literally the Jerry Jones of esports
TSM was only good when Dlift was there
I really like DL, but thats not true
They were really strong with Turtle until season 5 MSI or even with Chaox in season 2
But after dl left they never got good again
@Gerry Teigland Eide winning IEM 2015 was considered as really good aswell tho - eventho they didnt have to play the Tigers in the finals they managed to beat CJ Entus (3rd best Team in Korea at that time) and the Flash Wolves (who defeated C9 and SK - EU first Seed) in their side of the bracket
Their season 4 worlds was the best showing TSM has ever had at worlds and id say IEM2015 was their best showing international (I mean, there werent many good ones 😂)
Id even say they werent good in NA standarts they were overall a good team
But I mean it doesnt really matter, after they kicked their 2nd era of good players (Sven, Bio, DL - even if it felt like a natural move back then) they NEVER got relevant again 🥴
Xpecial was kicked from TSM cause he was the only player who wasn't afraid to argue with Regi.
Just because you work 40 hours a week does NOT mean you are entitled to a full time position. Just cause you moved to cali without first securing your position is pretty weird imo. I've worked many contract positions and the only one I got hired on full time I worked well over 40 hours and did not clock the hours over 40, and I am not complaining. Do that if you want to be successful boys.
how could anyone doubt doublelift? has everybody forgotten that one time regi harassed dyrus on stream from like 2013 or so?
HR almost always looking out for the best interest of the company. In smaller companies you cab have allies that will fight for you, but again politics and the company come first.
So Riot bans Tyler1 who flames the equally toxic community, then they do nothing about Reginald for flaming employees who are part of the official, professional title of the game. Brilliant decisions by Riot management
T1 doesn't own a 410 mil company that's in the LCS that's the difference lmao
And Riot eventually caved to Tyler's fans and made him the face of the league fanbase which makes sense because the league fanbase primarily consists of raging assholes who complain that their game is filled with raging assholes.
@@popopopoool YEP
“You like what i gave you” -leena oooo bar
DLift support from Singapore
If someone make a video for the investigation, I will even pay to watch this lol
koream CEO is worst than REGINALD, and its normal for CEO to act like that in korea
Riot could just kick tsm out and pay for whatever the contract breach will be. Because it's not worth it for them to keep the bad press going...
They can't do that. Tsm won too many trophies. They will always be anunced for winning those.
@@dirtywrx8478 oh they can do what ever they want. It doesn't remove their liquipedia page... In real sports it would be more likely for the company to get sold and CEO would be forced to step down.
But esports is still the wild west
"nobody wants a 1 on 1 convo with andy because u have no witnesses"
bruh...
So I used to watch LCS a long time ago (when DL had a lot of hot takes for other players and teams) and it is really good to see how much he has grown up. I watched this video to kinda update myself on what is going on. I found his analysis informative and believable. I always liked your approach of talking trash. I thought many of the player were a little bit soft for complaining about someone telling them the truth.
I never realized devin nash was the ceo of clg.
HR is always 100% there to protect the company. You can use that to your advantage but it’s important to keep in mind they’re always going to be on the side of their paycheck.
I think he is wrong about saying TSM reddit is Andy's echo chamber. I've been browsing it recently and there has been a lot of harsh words towards the entire management.
DW Dlift, i knew why he didn't actually talk to the journalist beforehand. I just wanted it pointed out.
Remember all Reggie's behaviors, so you can spot a malignant narcissist before you get snared in their web of psychopathy.
Still waiting for Regi to quit LoL after losing that 1v1 to MegaZero
Everyday at TSM is a banger
Tbh tsm leaving the league wouldnt be so bad, i think the last time i really was excited to watch was when bjerg doubelift was on it or the first few times bjerg coached, but to me it seems like its just turning into clg where u only remember them for what they once were, and it would be way more exciting if there was two orgs like eg or 100t coming into the league again and doing a good job to win
No. Keep TSM, just force Regi to sell and have him removed from the company. That would be the best scenario.