.32 H&R Magnum VS .380 ACP Critical Defense (LCR VS LCP)
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- Both the .32 H&R Magnum and .380 ACP have on average similar bullet weights, velocity and energy from short barrels. How will they compare to each other with similar bullets being fired? The .380 ACP is a 90 gr FTX bullet with a rated muzzle velocity of 1,000 FPS and the .32 H&R Magnum is an 80 gr FTX bullet with a rated muzzle velocity of 1,150 FPS. Guns used are the Ruger LCP and Ruger LCR. Always appreciative of any channel help :)
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Very interesting comparison between these two. I wouldn't hesitate to carry either one.
Hey man, I just want you to know that your channel is one of the most informative and entertaining channels on this platform. Thanks for all your hard work and testing. I look forward to each video!
Thanks a lot!
@timmybmn My only problem is that now since I have done so many ballistic tests, that if I do something different a lot of people complain. My long time subscribers like Greg (lionquest) and Angelo (lead bullets for life) probably you as well seem to like the other oddball stuff, but these new subs will flat out tell me the videos I do other than ballistic testing are "terrible". So I end up repeating the same stuff.
@@GunSam if I had the time and money I'd do a shotgun home defense ammo review. Fired at 7yds or less. Find the sweet spot for lethality but no overpenetration. Minimal wall penetration after going thru badguy. You're a revolver guy so maybe this isn't what you're looking for as far as "not repeating" yourself.
I appreciate this review! I have carried a three-inch, six shot .32 Magnum revolver for thirty years, and never had to pull it, or even hint where I carried it. I think that it is something about the confident direct look on my face that repels evildoers? Critical Defense was only recently available for this caliber, and I ordered a BUNCH of it. Recoil is very mild, and quick follow-up shots are easy...........................elsullo
thankfully your husband before hand didn't get put off by confident direct look.
Enjoyed the video as always, so glad I picked up a .32 revolver again after several years without one.
Thanks for watching!
Both decent rounds. Thanx on the 380 test. They are my favorite.
I know this video is 2years old but I carry an LCP Custom (original LCP with factory “enhancements “) as my EDC. I highly highly recommend the Hogue grips specifically fitted for the original LCP. It pins to the pistol and the end piece of the grip is removed and incorporated into the new grip. It definitely tames the recoil of that snappy gun and makes the grip in general much more sure. 7 round mags help with the grip also. Thanks for your great videos.
I carried that exact one for 6 years, but if you watch some gel tests with Tools & Targets this exact round usually doesn't open up. Plus sometimes in training the gun is so small your hand can have the slide malfunction. I switched to a j-frame and never looked back for pocket carry.
I’d say a person would be well armed with either one of these two cartridges. So, then it could come down to whether someone prefers a revolver or a pistol. It’s good to have choices.
carry both...
Excellent information. Your videos bring eye opening evidence, unimaginable to consider before watching them. I rather have my daughter hit the target 6 times w a 0.32 revolver than missing 9 times with a 9 mm pistol...
Thanks. The .32 cal is easy to shoot too.
Love the 32's !
Keep up the .32's! Yet another revolver is way down my list of priorities. But I've wanted a 327 since they came out. The info you're providing is absolutely what I need to know! Anything .32 please!
I was surprised to see the penetration and expansion that the 380 achieved given it’s fairly low energy level. Bullet design and especially the polymer tip must be doing their job.
Thanks for the testing.
The .380 round is, or was, available in several similar configurations that could be called "scalloped solid" rounds. Those would be interesting to see, and though they would require a custom run or a reloading bench, it's possible to construct .32 H&R ammo using a "cavitator" or "external hollow point" bullet. Lehigh is one source for them. There might be some patent issues involved, and those might have to be resolved before that style can gain any traction in the market.
I like the .32 because you mentioned the other round sizes you can use to reduce recoil. Great information man!
Thanks for watching!
Surprisingly good performance from the Hornady 32 H&R mag FTX, for such a light load (165 ft-lbs). When I carry my 327 LCR as a backup in my left pocket (weak hand) this is the load I’ve been using.
Interesting comparison to the LCP 380. Good job!
As always, a great comparison and good info. Thanks!
I always carried a .380 acp as a back up. Only had to use it once but it got the job done. As a Sheriff deputy we could only carry 9mm or smaller for backups.
I have to say that you have shot the Ruger LCR 327 Federal Magnum revolver with much tighter groupings. I purchased this revolver for my wife based off your recommendation, and it shoots exceptionally well. I do use a slightly above the 6 o’clock hold to get center bullseye hits at 3-5 yards. Haven’t tried the 32 H&R Magnum rounds yet. I still have plenty of the Fiocchi 32 S&W Long 97 GRS FMJ rounds that make this pistol a dream to shot. While I love to see Jug or Not, I am also very interested to see which ammo handgun parings produce the best accuracy.
Rules for TH-cam jug busters. 1- Fill the jugs to the top, that way the viewer can guess where the bullet is. That's a check for you. 2- Number the jug on 2 sides so we know where it was. 3-draw an arrow on the jug so we know in and out of the bullet. 4- don't count a full jug when you shoot in the handle area. The Jugger knot box takes care of number 2 through 4. That's why your the best jug buster on the Inner Web. And that's no bologna.
Thanks!
.32 S&W Long vs. .32 ACP would be great to see.
The only platform I have to fire .32 ACP is the LCR revolver, but I hear the velocity is reduced a lot from firing from a .327 revolver.
@@GunSam Get you a Kel-Tec P32. They are relatively inexpensive at Academy sports and outdoors.
I really enjoy firearm/ ammo comparisons! Great video, now I'll go watch all the others you've done! Thank you, I subscribed.👍
Thank you.
Excellent tests and comparison! I think these two cartridges are perfect for what I consider to be true “concealed carry” handguns. Hornady really designed the FTX bullet with a good balance of expansion and penetration, especially in these lower power cartridges.
Thanks! I have noticed that the smaller caliber do well with it, but the .45 ACP and .357 Mag not so much. Weird in a way.
I was glad to see this comparison as I am thinking about the Ruger LCR in 327 Federal magnum for my wife. I would load it with 32 H&R magnum for her. I have the LCR in 38 special and find it easy to shoot and I think the 32 H&R would be even easier for my wife to handle. I currently own a Ruger Blackhawk in 32 H&R magnum so I know how light the recoil is.
Solid information… I have both and carry both… agree with your points
Seems to me that 32 H&R Magnum is truly the 380 of the revolver world
It's a cool little round as by itself the scaled size is basically a .38 Special and it's energy is also a .38 Special standard pressure. But like you said, it is a .380 of the revolver world as the bullet weight, velocity and energy are near the same which seems to make it perform similarly. But with 100% reliability and similar capacity of rounds. The only advantage the .380 ACP has over the .32 H&R is tiny slim pistols that can actually be ankle carried if need be. Or summer gym shorts etc.
@@GunSam The 32 family is just so versatile! I have become a big fan.
@@KarmaFlight .327 magnum ....hot little round .
@@GunSam and the advantage of less felt recoil with the 32 mag
I think that with these two rounds it's just a matter of preference on the shooters part as both seem effective. Thanks for the info
Thanks for watching. Or maybe which one makes your carry gun sound cooler! "thirty two H and R MAGNUM!"
I would have no problem carrying a .32 H & R mag or .327 mag after seeing how well it performed.
I like the low end .327 Mag as overall I think this is the best, like Federal Hydrashok .327 Mag. The .327 can get stuck cases a lot due to the pressure, but a low load in a nickel plated brass seems to help, a load just like the Hydrashok.
I've been waiting for this test both results was very impressive for caliber I carry ether critical defense or sig v-crown ammo I'm my lcp2 both hit in the same place don't have a lot of recoil both do very well in the tests I've done but I really want to see your test of it ill have to say again for caliber both where impressive thanks for getting around to testing them take care Sam
Thanks for watching. I didn't know anyone wanted to see this test specifically lol, it's been sitting unlisted for 3 weeks but I had released other videos instead. I think this test mostly shows what a decent .380 LCP load can be, as it fed well had low recoil and energy yet still performed. I love it when I can get good performance on rounds that are non flincher rounds. That's always a win win.
@@GunSam absolutely that's one of these reasons why I have a love hate relationship with the 357 mag love the power and devastation it can do but hate the recoil and report it has deff in a snubbey that's why I like to see a round like the critical defense in both do well for low energy and recoil I think the results where good for what they are I look forward to more comparisons between the too
I really like your videos. I subscribed to your channel
Thank you.
Great comparison I just got into a 380 Bersa and have the LCR in 327. Both rounds seen relatively functional and perform as expected. Good to see from Hornady. Maybe you could use Salami next time because Bologna lives matter. Thanks for your hard work.
Thanks. I had a Bersa Thunder .380 for a short time. Cool little pistol.
4 years ago and still very relevant.
I have to say that the Ruger LCR chambered in 327 Magnum is just about the perfect concealed carry revolver. It carries SIX rounds in the same space as a higher-recoiling 38 Special that only holds five !! The ability to practice with soft shooting 32 S&W or up to 60 grain 32 H&R Mag rounds makes practicing pain-free !! Then being able to comfortably carry with 80 to 100 grain 32 H&R Mag JHP or full-power 327 Fed Mag is just awesome...especially since the performance of 32 H&R Mag is very respectable and 327 Fed Mag is pretty close to 9mm. Sometimes , ammo availability is a little tougher , but when it's available , just stock up !! I absolutely love the Ruger LCR in 327 mag chambering for its six rounds of ammo in a compact size , versatility in ammo choices and respectable terminal performance !!!
For me, the .327 Federal has more felt recoil than .38 Special, however if you compare something like .38 Special+P 125 gr @ 900 FPS/225 ft lbs from a 2" snub, the felt recoil is about the same to me as a snub with 100 gr .327 Federal mid level loads, like 100 gr @ 1,200 FPS/320 ft lbs. Essentially, having less ammo to practice with is a moot point for me as practicing with a different revolver in .38+P gives me the same practice needed for shooting a mid range .327 Federal well. So for me, when people are like "ammo is hard to find" I refute that, as you don't need a lot of .327 Federal if you have a comparable gun that shoots .38+P.
Thanks for the video Sam!
I have been a big fan of the 32 H&R Magnum for years, even reloaded for it. Had a Smith & Wesson model 16 years ago, still kicking myself for selling it.
I still have the model 431PD but don't really carry it anymore.
The Buffalo Bore 32 Heavy looks interesting but I don't know if my lightweight will take that kind of a beating.
Keep up the good work sir!
Thanks for watching. Interesting thing was I tested the 100 gr Buffalo Bore .327 Mag and the 100 gr Buffalo Bore .32 H&R Mag+P in the LCR and both got near identical performance. I think the .32 H&R was like 1,238 FPS and the .327 was something like 1,250 FPS. Both had stuck cases and both had similar recoil. I reloaded a few .32 H&R Mag with 85 gr XTP's and found 3.7 gr of Titegroup made a great snub load, something like 975 FPS.
@@GunSam So does the Buffalo Bore .32 Mag+P meet your standard as stated above? "The .32 H&R is a little light for my liking, I typically carry 200 ft lbs and or 110 gr bullet weights and above in anything I carry."
The Deli counter meats fear you. Nice vid, bud, thanks for the comparison
Another good interesting and informative video. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thanks!
Yet another cleanly executed comparison! I just sold my .327 LCR snubby - Alread kind of kicking myself for doing it, even tho I'd already replaced it with a single stack (Kahr Cm9) & double stack (Taurus G2c) 9mm that cover ccw & the night stand gun - Put weapon lights on them, & are cheaper to practice with.. I do all my research on the Tube & I wanted a fool-proof (revolver) first ccw - But even being a concealable size, the slimmer pistols didn't take long to catch my interest over the lcr. I don't have my own place so I don't want to start a collection just yet, & the main reason I sold it is I didn't research the ammo before buying the revolver, which I quickly learned was not locally available & kind of expensive for the good stuff at least. A very cool family of cartridges for sure, just didn't really fit into what I want/need atm. However, a revolver in .22 lr looks like fun! If I can find a Taurus 942 (3", 8rnd) that would be an affordable plinker/training tool! Oh & after I sold the LCR & Kel Tec p32, I bought an LCP in FDE(brown) to replace them both.Thanks if you read all this!
I have sever semi autos, they are slim etc. I guess just for me, a slight cylinder lump doesn't show anymore than a flat pistol, so I like the revolver.
It’s 0144 in the morning and I suddenly want a fried bologna sammich. 🥪🤤😁
I own and carry both, .32 & .380... Charter Arms Professional, 3" bbl .32 H&R Mag. and a Beretta Model 85F, 3.75" bbl .380, and I like the Critical Defense rounds a great deal. Both are loaded with them when they are on duty. Your results are not too suprising to me, but I will have to try my own jug-r-not test and see if my results compare!
Good information. Thank you. You are greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
I went through just about every 380 pistol my State allows... and hated how poorly I shot them... then I found the S&W Performance CTR 380 EZ..at 17 onces and a almost 4"barrel and improved trigger and sights it's possible many 380acp brands will be traveling faster then the smaller Ruger LCP.... I can shoot nice tight groups very fast... I've only taken my new Ruger LCR X out once and shot everything thru it..32 long, 32 HR Mag, and 327 mags ... a real sweet firearm that I can shoot well. What I do fear now is the 32-327 will be hard to find ammo in the near future. What was available a month ago is no longer. But one can still get 380acp. You shoot that Ruger LCP very well, for you it's a great choice, as it must be so easy to conceal.
Thanks. Yes it's disappears on my 250 lbs body easily lol. I don't worry about ammo too much, but it seems .32 Long is about the most available ammo. Hand loading isn't too difficult with a little practice and .312" bullets seem to be just as available as anything else, so I know I can shoot when I want to. I see the American Eagle .327 Mag ammo online a lot, and the 85 gr is a decent target load for an LCR as the recoil isn't too bad. Funny thing is I have tested a lot of .380 round in this pistol since I got it over 2 years ago, but I rarely shoot it so I still have a ton of .380 ACP ammo for it, all being hollow points.
Great video and presentations as always. .32 H & R mag and .380 ACP are still viable close encounter rounds self defense rounds based on ammo choice. Even the bologna is scared of you!😁😁🍀♠️
Thnks
At the beginning it didn’t look like a fair fight, the .32 HR Mag looked like it was towering over the .380 but the ballistic Bologna doesn’t lie, the .380 put up a good fight. Split decision goes to the .32 HR Mag.
Great match up! 👍
Thanks. They are interesting for a comparison. I would say all in all, the .32 H&R Mag can win across the board against the .380 but these two are close.
Thanks for the confirmation, that's exact pistol and ammunition I carry, the Ruger LCP with the critical defense, the only difference is I have the lasermax on mine. Now I know the ballistics my gun will do with that ammunition.
Thanks for watching. That laser might be cool to have, I don't think I need it up close lol, but I think my group was a fluke with this vid lol, usually that LCP is difficult to shoot well.
@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ I would have never bought the laser extra, it just happened to come on the gun
Sam You gave me back my Revolver "itch". NOW if Ruger would make the LCR w/ a 3 inch barrel I,d be in Hog Heaven! I do plan on buying an LCR also a GP-100 in .327 AND an SP101 in the same caliber.
Amazing consistency in this test. I was thinking you were going to make just the one hole with both of them.
"Great suggestion!" LOL I was using youtube's random reply generator in quotation, just to see what it would tell you. It does make me wonder how .38 Special and .380 expand well but the 125 gr .357 in the snub moving at about 1,300 FPS failed to expand with the Critical Defense ammo. It shouldn't be a different lead alloy, but it appears that would be the only explanation.
Great comparison! I carry that round in my Pico. It seems to be one of the best 380 SD rounds available
Thank you. It's one of the few rounds that seem to feed in this LCP. A lot of the others will jam up a bit.
If the .327 LCR had been available at the time I got my .38spl LCR, I likely would have opted for it. As it is, .32ACP in a Beretta Tomcat is the extent of my .32 experience.
Another great vid. Thanks👍!
Thanks!
losing the jacket means that the bad guy has 3 pieces to be found by the doctor. that can't be bad.
This is gonna sound a little messed up, i just think its cool, and let me preface it by saying im a volunteer firefighter. But the only time ive seen a star pattern like that on the outside it was from a suicide and there was a perfect star pattern and missing hair in the side of the guys head.
That's what most gsw look like when the muzzle is in contact with the skin.
I might have to replace the Golden Sabres in my wife's nightstand .380 with these. Hard to find anything that works much better than FMJ in that caliber but it sure seemed to.
The reason for the drift toward the right , is expansion and rotation of the bullets
A "jacket in the box"...LOL!
In my thinking the 380 is the one. It's tiny no excuse not to carry. But it's only a (shoot back-get away gun). No one wants to get shot. Excellent review 👏 and nice shooting. Not to change the subject but no one Is gonna stand out in the open when they're being shot at... even the lowly 22 thats why I like the TX22 16+1.
Thanks. I do carry this pistol on days where I'm not feeling well or have a family event, or any time I'm not up to do anything but lay on a random couch, on those days I carry an empty chamber LCP. It safely disappears in my pockets.
@@GunSam exactly we pretty much think alike mine is always in my back right pocket
Most Excellent video & intel I'd trust either 4 CCW use! justbwish the guns held more bullets !!
Thanks! Considering the .327 revolver is so accurate and reliable, 6 rounds is really "more" rounds than the .380 pistol if it held the same round count. You need less when you aren't missing the shots.
Something I noticed is that tiny semi-auto guns like the LCP and S&W Bodyguard are not rated for +P ammo. I wonder how a 380 acp +P loading would do in those tests?
.380 ACP+p is not an actual cartridge according to any ammunition authority like SAAMI or CIP, that's why none are rated for it. Seeing as .32 H&R is typically 150 ft lbs energy at the same pressure as .380, and seeing that non SAAMI .32 H&R+p is double the energy of standard pressure, I would take a guess and say .380 could be pretty close to that. Not quite as high in power as the .32 H&R because case capacity is smaller, but probably close.
@@GunSam Remington lists their 380 acp Golden Saber specifically as a +P load and both S&W and Ruger say their compact 380 guns are not +P rated. I think it isn't a cartridge as much as high pressure loading of the cartridge.
Excellent!
Thank you.
think i'll stick to the .38 Gold dots in my back up revolver. I basically only use it if my main piece runs out of ammo or for some reason gets taken out of the action or my strong arm is disabled by a bullet or knife. The .38 gold dot isnt the #1 performer but I mostly just want my LCR as a back up at breathing distance and pretty much anything at those ranges can get the job done. But that fat gold dot mushroom is gonna take out a bigger chunk. My main carry is a Walther CCP loaded with the 115 grain hornaday critical defense.
Good stuff!!!👍😃✌️
Have you done a 9x18 makarov vs 9mm or .380? I would like your input on it
Take your pick, revolver or semi-auto the Critical Defense always seems to work well enough. For me I choose the .32h&r over the .380.
I have had a few instances where Critical Defense isn't so great. The .38 Special lite, .38 Special standard pressure, .357 Mag, .45 ACP in Critical Defense did poorly in my testing. Most of the time the .38 Special+P, 9mm, .32 H&R have done well. I think I did a rudimentary test with the .380 version in the past and it didn't do that well either.
@@GunSam True, for the .38 you need to use +P, but that is generally true of almost all .38 self defense ammo. The .357 CD seems to self destruct on impact and I have no experience with the .45 so I can`t comment.
@@willknowdoggs4764 What I found odd, was that in the .357 Mag, albeit through the short barrel I was still hitting with almost 1,300 FPS and even with this it did not expand. Similarly with the 185 gr .45 ACP version, I believe I got over the rated velocity and still, it failed to expand. I then tested the Critical Defense again in .357 Mag but in the 4" barrel. Got over 1,450 FPS and over 1.5 times expansion, so that was okay. However, Critical Defense is known to be a short barrel ammo so, well idk lol.
I was disturbed by the jacket separation from the core in both rounds, so I have a whacky proposition: You may have noticed that the liquid forms of "super-glues" (not gels) are very penetrating? How about a few small dabs of super-glue around the brass case mouth where it meets the lead to see if it penetrates the join? And then repeat this test? I hate the idea that I need to only use bonded ammunition! Maybe we can bond these ourselves instead?..............................elsullo
I think it's best to use a bonded bullet. Gold Dot short barrel is Speer's equivalent to Critical Defense, so i'd say use that if possible. The only legitimate way to bond a bullet like this would be to put some sort of crimp on the bullet itself, this is how Critical Duty and HST are "bonded" and the Gold Dot is more of a plating of copper to make a bonded "jacket".
The 380 had Premature-jacketulation. Probably an issue of you're using against an average sized American
Haha I know. I'm smaller than 2/3 of the men at Wal-Mart and I'm 250 lbs lol
It's a shame most people that like 380acp don't know about Grand Power with the P380(4" bbl) or the LP380(4.6"bbl) ..... I might be buying one of those Grand Power .... I think the 380 would benefit from a longer bbl ...
I have wanted for a bit to have something with longer barrel and or something strong enough for .380+P. I did at one point have a Bersa Thunder 380, but not anymore.
Many 380 's will not cycle anything worth a shit other than ball ammo consistently
"Bologna damage" would be a cool name for a band
Or Pandemica
Tanfoglio Italian clone beauties got me started with my .380acp collection....... (Tanfoglio GT380) so I found a P238 Legion on the cheap and just recently found a 84bb minty for a really good price....thank you for your testing this Hornady offering. Sam, have you tested the Fiocchi 380acp XTP? I ask because I found a great deal on a case and ammoquest had gotten some good results.....I'm thinking about the CharterArms Pitbull in both 9mm & 380acp 😉🗽🇺🇲
I will have to look and see, I don't think I tested it but did test a load with the 380 XTP bullet.
@@GunSam thank you Sir 👍🇺🇲👍🗽
@@christopherbishop4927 It looks like the only XTP ammo I tested in .380 was the 90 gr American Gunner. It didn't expand, however it did not over-penetrate either.
Hello: Are there speed loaders for the
Ruger LCR 6-shot 32 H&R Magnum?
Yes. I have one! I don't recall the brand but it has a chrome like finish.
@@GunSam Thank you!
@@GunSam Please show the speedloader sometime, thank you!
Hey Sam, off subject, how do you like your 605 after owning it for a while? I have an opportunity to purchase a new one. The trigger is way better than my wifes 642 (before the triggger job). My gunsmith said he would not go with a Tauras (mostly because he works on quite a few and poor customer sevrvice) what do you think? If you respond or not thanks man. Love your content.
Thanks. Mine has been pretty good. Now Taurus can be hit of miss, but it one was going to get a Taurus revolver the 605 and 85 and the like are the ones to get, they seem to have a good track record. Mine has been great except for the crane screw broke. I contacted Taurus 6 weeks ago and they never responded. But, a S&W J-frame screw fits it just the same so I bought a S&W screw to repair it. Overall the 605 seems nice and other than the screw iv'e had no problems, probably have 1,000 rounds through it.
@@GunSam Thanks Bud I haven't decided on the 605 or 856 bobbed hammer.
Actually I'm kinda surprised both these rounds did so much damage....either would inflict a deadly wound.
This video makes me want to buy a .380 like the LCP. Sam, what's your opinion of the LCP?
It's finicky. It will shoot pretty reliably with FMJ ammo, Critical Defense and Remington HTP, but others have some feeding issues.
Have you ever tested a derringer?
I recently read the book "The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer". There it is stated that he often used a .38 derringer or a 22 derringer (it isn`t mentioned what 22) with dum dum bullets (probably comparable to hollowpoints).
Is it the best option or even a god option? Probably not but nevertheless it would be interesting how effective it would be if you hit anything and if the bullets even expand. I wasn`t able to find any real video where any over under derringer was really tested.
I have not. I did test some .22 Mag in a NAA Mini in the past, but not as good of testing as what i'm currently doing.
Both are my carry rounds - Sig P-238 and Ruger LCR in .327 Fed. I sometimes load the Hornady .32 H&R Magnum in the LCR.
It seems this round in h&r mag is not made well. It either doesn't expand our it separates. What's the best H&R mag you've tested out of the LCR?
I haven't tested many .32 H&R Magnum rounds, but the only time I got what i'd consider good performance was with Buffalo Bore .32 H&R Mag+P with the 100 gr XTP. However, the velocity was basically identical to the .327 Magnum version so I can't say that's really a .32 H&R round. The Federal personal defense round uses an 85 gr XTP and i'd say that was decent. Only slight expansion, or I might call it deformation instead, but it penetrated to the same as 9mm, .38 Special, .357 Mag etc, but had only .344" "expansion".
Sooo! some constructive critisim. You got the .32 mixed up with the .38 special in the video.Then you told the audience that the .32 had less recoil than the .380. Then you stated that the .380 had less felt recoil than the .32?? impressive testing with out a doubt! Just edit the material so your audience isn't getting confused or perhaps the audience is satisfied with the content and have already made up their minds about the findings??
Can I ask why would you be offering criticism from a 4 year old video, as if I have not done a video since this one? I have made hundreds of videos since this one. You can't just edit the material, it would have to be redone and uploaded again as a new video. Seeing as I have changed my testing protocol completely and even tested this ammo again in a better test, it doesn't make sense to take your criticism or advice.
BTW, I said that the .380 ACP had not a lot of recoil. Then I said that the .32 H&R Mag had a little less recoil from that revolver than the .380 ACP from the LCP. THEN I said that the cartridge itself the .380 ACP had/has less felt recoil BUT in a pistol that is small like the LCP, it's just a little more than the recoil of the .32 H&R Magnum in general because the revolver is a lot heavier to soak it up. If you don't understand this at this point, stop trying as it's going over your head.
@@GunSam Why are you posting 4 year old videos?
I could careless what you think you said. I know what I heard in the video. If you could speak as well as I write. You wouldnt have has much trouble informing the audience.
Why you no testing Nagant 1895?
What are your thoughts and experiences with the Critical Duty vs the Critical Defense?
The thing with that is Critical Duty is only in a few calibers as where Critical Defense is in many. There's no .32 H&R or .380 ACP Critical Duty for instance. With the testing that I have done though, i'd say where there are calibers that overlap in both the Duty and Defense, the Duty seem to have performed better.
Everything I have seen makes me conclude that JHPs are not a good idea unless you can get med heavy bullets running over 1Kfps. Better to use a flat point of some type.
32H&R deserves more respect than it gets but I have seen a lot of poor penetration from Critical Defense and similar rounds in many calibers.
I think actual velocity can sometimes be relatively slow and still get expansion, but only if the diameter and energy levels are high enough. Example would be a .38 Special at 800 FPS would not expand, but a .45 ACP at that velocity will expand as the hollow cavity and energy of a .45 ACP will overcome it's lack of velocity. Also you can get good expansion at low caliber and low energy but only if the bullet is designed right such as a semi jacketed hollow point in even standard pressure .38 Special from a snub will expand. But what I have seen in lets say ".35 caliber" 9mm/.38 SPL/.380 etc, is that you typically need to hit 900 FPS to get expansion, whether that bullet is 90 gr, 115 gr, 147 gr or even 158 gr. At .35 caliber 900 FPS seems to be the key number with ordinary average hollow points like Gold Dot or XTP. Once you go to .32 caliber though, that 900 FPS needs to become 1,000 FPS to insure expansion.
@@GunSam Quite right however penetration often suffers if there is not enough momentum due to the lower velocity or light bullets. Failure to expand can sometimes be an advantage. :)
@@mkshffr4936 158 gr will often penetrate through soft material better than 90 gr for sure, even if the energy is the same. But then the hard barrier penetration can sometimes be lower with 158 gr if lets say the 158 gr is at 750 FPS (197 ft lbs) vs 90 gr at 994 FPS (197 ft lbs). However, I have also tested hard barrier penetration at old pots and pans at 25 yards, and even though the lighter faster round penetrates better up close, at 25 yards often the heavier bullet penetrates better than the lighter as the momentum of a heavy slug will keep that energy out further. This is why handgun ballistics is fun as the stuff people often forget to think about, and you prove the opposite of common thought is fun.
@@GunSam Hey, I would like to see Jug-or-not testing of the milspec FMJ and the 85 gr HP in the 7.62x25 Tokarev. Should be very interesting!
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I should have cut the bologna packs from the razor I have in my shoe.
@@GunSam lol....nice! I get the Bad Leroy Brown reference. 👍😆
What is the cost of 32 H&R compared to 380?
.32 H&R Mag is an oddball cartridge, so while the defensive ammo in 20-25 round boxes cost the same as .380 ACP, actual target ammo in .32 H&R Mag is hard to come by and if you do find it, it's about twice the price as .380 ACP. Now .32 S&W Long ammo on the other hand isn't much more than .380 ACP, you can find that for maybe $20 per 50 rounds.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Can you shoot 32 s&w from a 32 H&R?
@@danielaramburo7648 Yes. A .327 Mag revolver will shoot .32 H&R, and .32 S&W Long. A .32 H&R Mag revolver will shoot .32 H&R Mag and .32 S&W Long. Also, you "can" shoot .32 S&W (short) from a .327, .32 H&R or .32 S&W Long revolver, and even a .32 ACP will chamber and fire from those revolvers, however the .32 ACP is questionable whether it will fire correctly or not.