@@matheusantunes3078 it is a very big part of it, yes. Muay thai elbows are quite powerful. Its like putting a boxer and a muay thai fighter in a ring and not letting the muay thai guy kick
@@anastasisparastatidis5479 I thought that the great weapon of muay thai was the low kicks, he could still have landed elbows in the chest area despite the fact that elbows to the body were forbidden, but if we stop to think, the muay thai guy didn't even shorten the distance of the fight to get a knee, I don't think he would land an elbow so easily
Naaah. Bare knuckle fists to the face are more brutal. Just look at the Kyokushin guy's reaction to getting punched in the face compared to getting his leg kicked. Big difference.
I practise muay thai but I respect all martial arts. People who hate on karate do not know what they are talking about karate is a fantastic martial art
Seems like whenever someone else is fighting a Muay Thai fighter to prove it's not the best martial art, there's always a bunch of rules where they bascially remove 50% of the arsenal of the Muay thai fighter. No elbows, no knees, no clinch, and sometimes even no strikes to head ect, if you have to make up a bunch of rules to cater to one specific martial art it's not fair, should be anything goes.
This place looks like a Karate dojo, so the Muay Thai guy is the one that even put himself in this situation in the first place. Actually, most Muay Thai vs Karate fights always go like this. The only fair fights we have between Karate and MT is seen in K-1 and in One Championship.
Well the Muay Thai stance and some techniques are very different to kickboxing. And the fighting logic/ martial art point is different. (Example: kickboxing stance tends to be more lateral and wide Muay Thai stance is more square, hand placement is slightly different) obviously everything depends on the fighter and the stance, hand placement fighting style etc… can change depending on the fighter too
this isn't a real fight since it didn't showcase all capabilities both fighters had. It's more like a "conditioning competition" where they tested who had better body conditioning.
As a martial artist with over 20 years of experience, believe me when telling you: It always depends on the person and not the martial art itself. And don't come with questions like: But what if you compare a karate fighter and a MT fighter with equals skills. You will never find such two fighters. No one has exactly equal skills, especially when it's about two different martial arts.
Thank you. I always say that fighting is a set of skills and abilities completely independent from style, and that the ability to fight will make almost any style work for you. Literally everyone hates that opinion. 😅
thats partially right, if its only 1v1 yes it depends on the fighters more than the martial itself, but if we have many fights where 80% of the time a martial art practitioner wins over another then we can say confidently that the former martial art is superior. take for example takwondo vs MT i bet that most of the time MT guy will win no matter how good the Taekwondo guy is
The Thai fighter connnected with a blazing fast hook at the end. People are giving the Kyokushin guy too much shit. That was a nasty bare knuckle shot. The thing is that they were obviously doing a Kyokushin rules match, so dude wasn't expecting to be nailed in the face. Other than that I would say that the karate guy was actually having the upper hand and he's clearly supremely conditioned.
i think the karate guy was having the upper hand in the karata match but he clearly lost the fight. if you don't train with punches to the face you wont expect or handle it well when u do get punched in the head, the karate guy always gets knocked out because he only knows how to punch and get punched in the body
Apparently, according to some comments in the original, the Muay Thai guy's kick accidentally went into his eye, which led to the stoppage. (or at least the kick pushed his fist into his eye). The Muay Thai guy didn't mean to do it though, so all is well.
mauy thai was definitely holding back; no clinching, no elbows, no knees.. only standard punching and kicking.. but props to the karate guy for the durable legs.
You can't really compare Muay thai and karate like this, Mr. Muay thai wasn't allowed to use elbows, knees and clinching. This is a great way to show off their kicks though, no doubt about it, but i would still love to see a "Traditional" fight with gloves mouthguards and everything
karate also uses elbows, punches to the face, knees, throws, chops, back fist, body elbows etc. I think if a kyokushin fighter starts training to hit the face, it will be really deadly cause karate straight punches are the strongest kind of punches
@@weirdgrimjow5372 Oh, i actually didn't know that. I thought elbows and knees were forbidden in karate. But i still find it funny how a "Martial art" has rules that prevents hits to the head when it's allowed in "Normal" karate
@@kvist2228 in my dojo we were taught everything. We regularly sparred and focused on knuckle and chin conditioning. We even practiced throws and real life scenarios much like krav maga. It really does depend on the dojo that one is enrolled at.
@@kvist2228 Kyokushin karate has taken a lot of techiniques from other martial arts, like taekwondo and muay thai, so at least in this scenario both fighters could've used knees and elbows to hit. As for punches to the face that has more to do with how impossible it is to condition your head to take punches. Image training and receiving such a blunt punch from a higher belt to the face, that's one sure way to get a concussion. Kicks to the face are allowed though so I don't understand why so may kyokushin practitioners have such low guards.
@@NarutoUzomaki65 Muay Thai guy was lucky they didn't allow face punches cause the Kyokushin fighter would've split his head open cause unlike Muay Thai in Kyokushin they condition their knuckles to break bones, boards, rocks etc and they do practise head punches just don't use it in sparring
I've seen a karate guy and thai boxer go at it where the karate guy starts off completely dominant in body shots and kick exchanges but then -- he takes a single jab to the face and stumbles backward like he'd seen a ghost. Karate needs punches to the head to be competitive, I think.
@emugss1201 you can't train taking blows to the head, but you can certainly train to defend it better beyond some 1-step block drills. Besides, there are some karate tournaments with punches to the head, often with headgear, and the blow that keeps sending people out seriously injured at karate tournaments by far the most is still spinning back kick... I won't deny there's still higher risk for long term brain damage even with headgear ofc, but there's often a price to pay in any physical sport or even ppl working a hard job all day long. And the unfortunate truth is punches to the head are just too common to not practice defending them seriously.
the kyokushin guy is like 20kg heavier than the muay thai guy so of course he ll tank more n deliver heavier blows , all those lead low kicks that "did nothing" were to set up the massive high roundhouse by le muay thai fighter.
There are only 3 striking styles in the world: Boxing Muay Thai and others As a boxing practitioner, I'm terrified of Muay Thai fighters not because it's superior but because it's more feral. To me, Boxing is just a 'beat-you-up' but Muay Thai really wants to hurt you. I get flustered a bit when I hear someone does Muay thai, it's just the fear of a broken bone I guess😅 but mad respect to them. To those wanting to learn a striking style; Boxing is above moderate striking, above moderate defence while Muay thai is excellent striking, moderate defense.
Really? I have just started muay thai and I would be afraid of boxers became they move way to fast and dodge so much I could never hit them because muay thai is so short range and I would just get overwhelmed by the amount of punches being thrown at me.
@@yeetman9892 Yeah (I love martial arts so much!!!). For me what I'm most scared of from sparring with someone who does Muay Thai is those low kicks. Boxing teaches you to keep your feet grounded while moving and especially in a sparring session where you can't just rush in and it's prolonged, there's only an amount of kicks my thighs could take not to mention a knee when you keep close distance. That's why I'm a little bit flustered about Muay thai because unlike boxing, it's there to do real damage. That's why I consider it the only style that can be compared with boxing
@@yeetman9892 keep learning control the space and distance. legs always longer(have exceptional some have punch longer than your leg if they very tall) and muay thai have foot work skill too call "ย่างสามขุม" (yang sam khum)
karate would be fine if they learn to take a punch in the face im a boxing based mma guy and i cant imagine boxers crumbling like this after getting punched in the face
isn't the whole point of boxing not to get hit? Also if you didn't notice there are no gloves in these fights, and like Nat said these guys are taking these kicks that would normally cripple people. If you ask me, boxing is just the lazy martial art, because its extremely simple comparatively to other martial arts that have much more variety, are much more effective, and have many more options. According to the video though, the kick hit his eye. A kick to the face and a punch can knock out almost anyone, even you braindead boxers.
if they would've been allowed to hit in the face i am confident that the Kyokushin fighter would've won they have much harder punches and yes they do practise head punches just don't apply it in sparring for some reason and Muay Thai fighters don't condition their knuckles mostly only their body and legs
I could be wrong, but personally, it wasn't really fair sparring if it's under the premise of Kyokushin rules (body punches only) which does limit elbows and knees and a lot of the arsenal that can be brought from Muay Thai, but it doesn't downplay the fact that both Kyokushin and Muay Thai are incredible martial arts! Though the question is what was the sparring trying to prove?
It's less common for people to TKO from shots to the outer leg- less nerve endings so you feel the kick less. The inner thigh is a much softer target, just harder to reach. Most of the MT coaches I've had say to target the back of the knee if you're kicking from the outside.
As someone that's done Kickboxing for many years, and only less than a year ago, switched to Kyokushin, I can tell you, in regards the conditioning, the conditioning of a Kyokushin fighter, is on a different level to any other martial art, including Muay Thai.
@@fivefootfive9671 I've trained for years in Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Im guessing longer than yourself. Firstly, you're sparring with thick shin pads and pillow gloves. Spar with no gloves, no shin pads, like in Kyokushin, and do many conditioning drills, and tell me how different it feels... Hence, the guys that Ive seen from Kyokushin, are generally significantly more conditioned than the guys from my past Kickboxing/Muay Thai gyms.
@@AlexHellene tbh I can’t invalidate your claims because I don’t have as much kyokushin experience as you-perhaps not even as much kickboxing. That doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t trained to defend their head. No amount of conditioning matters if you get knocked out. Head defense is 80% of good defensive training in kickboxing/Muay Thai. Defense period is the most important thing, conditioning comes far after. I’d even put cardio, mobility and footwork ahead of conditioning. More critical aspects of conditioning such as bone density really come down to building muscle according to current research, so that comes down to strength training. Like it’s cool that kyokushin guys have the mental grit to take a hit anywhere that’s not their head, but… a Nak Muay with good boxing could wear 20 ounce gloves and send a kyokushin practitioner reeling. I don’t even mind taking hard shots to the body at all, and we aim specifically for the solar plexus and liver. I’ve been destroyed by leg kicks before. None of it is as daunting as getting your head smacked up by a very dominant sparring partner. Nak Muay and kickboxers operate under much more rigorous rulesets and as such, gloves are kinda imperative if you want to be 40+ and still have a brain. And evidently they can still take hits sufficiently well, as even in the amateur circuits, minimally/non padded knees and kicks are part of the game. As Muay Thai is more “fights” than “matches” as competitive kyokushin tends to be, surely you know the difference in technique between the two-Thai kicks are designed for raw force and range whereas kyokushin kicks are generally designed for speed/dexterity. Overlap exists, but any martial art at its best is ultimately just a product of the ruleset it’s practitioners compete/fight with. Lastly-a matter of philosophy. Let’s take low kicks-kyokushin does have leg-checking on some level, but to my understanding, it’s rarely a preference-you can evade, counter with the targeted leg, sure-Muay Thai has that too. But there is often a preference is to sit your weight into the targeted leg to counter instead of checking-why?? With such an emphasis on conditioning, it makes sense that kyokushin teaches the “take one to give one” mentality. My guy, snap kicks can hurt but a Ernesto Hoost style diagonal low kick can literally shut your leg down in one go. Sitting down onto the leg won’t necessarily protect your peroneal nerve from being struck. You need your legs in tact for lateral movement, so why waste them for a counter when you can instead check and punish their shin, or evade and make them miss? Conditioning will not protect your head, your liver, your solar plexus, or the critical nerves of your legs. Muay Thai trains us to target these areas-not just to strike them but to SET UP attacks. Our movements are designed for power output because it’s not a pure point sport. Lastly-y’all divert some of your training time to Kata, no? 100% of our time is spent on time tested. scenario specific drills or Thai style interactive padwork. Fighters run miles every day in prep for their bouts. I think Kyokushin is dope and a great supplement to kickboxing, Muay Thai and MMA, but I think it’s silly when people compare it to Muay Thai. It’s kinda apples to oranges. Might as well compare karate to MMA.
@@fivefootfive9671 Kyokushin fighters aren't trained to defend their head? Depends on the club. I've noticed some clubs to do some head sparring, some don't. But from what I've noticed from Muay Thai is, unless we are talking fairly high level Dutch style fighters, Muay Thai fighters have very low hand skill level, especially traditional Thai style, Muay Thai fighters. Other than hitting pads, most Muay Thai training puts little emphasis on hands, especially defensively. Kyokushin puts more defensively. And from what I've seen watching and training in Muay Thai, this means many Muay Thai fighters rely heavily on keeping their opponents at a distance with kicks, or if their opponents get close in with the hand combos, they will rely heavily on the tie up and clinch to stop the opponent's punching combo. This is because in Muay Thai, punches score the lowest, therefore not a lot of punches are thrown, hence there's less of an emphasis on boxing at training, and if an opponent does throw them, those two tactics I mentioned are generally employed to try counter it. Generally the only exception to that is Dutch Muay Thai, but to be honest, those fights generally more resemble Western Kickboxing. This is because punches are not scored lower in the Netherlands. As for Kata, that's a small component - But I agree, I don't do Kata class myself, as I prefer to training in the practical classes, rather than devote time and effort to non-practical things.
Kinomutay would still win common L in my book (that was a joke but kinomutay is a grappling martial art that involves biting nut punches and eye gouging.
imagine banning punches to the face, knees, elbows, clinching, sweeps and trips and calling it muay thai vs karate only to get punched in the face two times and lose LMAO.
Stop whining the is under Karate rules the Thai fighter took it knowing the risk. And if you wanna get technical there's a lot more techniques the Kyokushin could've used. Kyokushin also has ground work ranging from Judo to Jijitsu.
@@kesenaememere8520 you don't get it do you? This means the fight was unfair for the muay Thai fighter and he still beat the kyokushin fighter. If it was fair then the kyokushin guy wouldn't stand a chance
Pro tip Nat: you can go frame by frame if you pause & then press the < (to go back 1 frame) or > (to go forward 1 frame) This is the best way to do striking exchange analysis due to the speed. Try it. It was a kick then punch.
@@tomdewyn5689Kyokushin people can definitely defend head punches. It’s simple adjustments, there are many kyokushin fighters who can easily transition to muay thai or kickboxing in a week.
I'd say it was a decent fight, but the muay thai guy definitely won. I mean, apparently punches to the face weren't allowed, as well as elbows and clinches, basically kyokushin rules, and the karate guy still had two "downs", while the muay thai guy didn't really receive a strong hit, and he also was very respectful, so that's that.
They literally got no rules dnd both of them need gloves and stuff, that's probably why the Muay Thai guy maybe held back. But I have huge respect for these guys, the kyokushin one could take his leg kicks, while the other fighter could take the kicks and punches. Amazing
That's the fun fact - Kyokushin Karatekas are trained to fight bare handed. So Muay Thai guy doesn't have to hold back here, Kyokushin is a full contact style but still fight bare handed, so Kyokushin Karate fighters are usually more conditioned to absorb body hits than anyone else . Muay Thai's main advantage against Kyokushin is that they are used to hit in the face and so has better face defence instinct and techniques. And Kyokushin's main advantage against Muay Thai is that they are trained to spar and fight full contact in bare hand which condition their body like no other martial arts do.
@@aritramitra4401 you can't really condition your face like i mean you can't at all the more blows you take to the head the more damage you will recieve
Every time when i fight vs karate or kickboxer with "muay thai" im not allowed to use many moves. It would be interesting to fight kickboxer or karate with full muay thai rules. Its just though to be unfair
@@diminpalkatoyj4254 just saying if you're fighting against kyokushin karate you're also fighting against a restricted practitioner, you're not the only one being restricted
Real Karate is brutal. Very much "no rules everything goes". It was made to survive life threatening situations where you could actually die. Kyokushin rules isnt even a decent representation.
so was muay thai's muay boran past. judo's japanese jujutsu past. khun khmer's bokator past. most martial arts at some point were used to fight in the battlefield with no rules. karate isn't unique at that aspect, not even close.
@@WasiulWahid-ot7cjhe's saying kyokushin isn't a great representation of karate as it's a dumbed down version made to compete with boxing as a spectator sport. IE not real karate like say Goju ryu, where the grappling joint locks throws and take downs were not removed. That is to say most of its tools were removed leaving striking almost exclusively exclusively. You wouldn't say "this is plumbing at its finest" if the plumber showed up with just a screw driver. Is the point he is trying to make I believe.
In my opinion Muay Thai rule is the most fairness for every stand up fighting styles because you can punching , clinching , throwing , elbow , knee , kicking and sweeping.
These videos of one martial art vs another are usually not fair fights because often one fighter (usually Muay Thai) has been training for the purpose of cage fighting and has lots of experience fighting, while for the other it’s often their first time in a cage. A lot of the time when these other martial arts like taekwondo or karate are trained for cage fighting they can be very effective, examples being wonderboy, yair Rodrigues, liota mochita
Good point, but it’s not about training for fighting in cages imo, as thais fight in normal rings. I think it has to do more with sparring full contact with people with different styles than you. You can adapt karate to most fighting rulesets, but you have to train accordingly. A boxer will get destroyed in kickboxing if he doesn’t train to deal with kicks, a kickboxer will have a real hard time in muay thai if he doesn’t improve his clinch game, and a thai will get annihilated in a boxing match if he doesn’t learn good footwork and combos
In the 1970s, one of the most famous Karate Senseis, Masoyama, sent 3 Karateka to Thailand to fight Nak Muays. 2 out of the three Karatekas won. But today, there are just too many Karate McDojos, and the art has degraded, while Muay Thai has evolved, and practically all Muay Thai gyms are legit. It is harder to find a legit Karate Dojo (especially in Europe where I live) than a good Muay Thai gym, therefore today, most of the time, when a Karateka faces a NakMuay, Karateka dies. Also, not including punches to the face when sparring/competing is not smart if you want to learn how to implement your art in a fight scenario.
The thing is, back then Karate training involved proper hard sparring alongside technical work. It was a genuine fighting martial art and was more comparable to Muay Thai and kickboxing. Nowadays it’s almost impossible to find a karate dojo that does sparring let alone hard sparring, it’s basically just tap dancing nowadays and where parents send their kids to keep them busy for an hour in the evening. Even an amateur boxer would annihilate a modern day Karate black belt in a street fight, it is utterly pointless to learn Karate nowadays.
not Mcdojos of Kyokushin its just that they don't train nearly as hard and as brutal as Oyama dojo was, the principles are lost its sad that they brought Kenji Kurosaki there, he had a visa unlike the first choice who was Shigeru Oyama who would've wooped the Muay Thai dude that Kenji went against
MMA não é uma luta justa para mostrar as habilidades, karatê no MMA não tem nem 50% dos golpes que se usuária normalmente, o verdadeiro teste é quando acontece de brigar na rua, MMA é limitado a realidade, ninguém se defende com precisão em um espaço de 10 metros já na rua é bem mais fácil para o karatê, taekwondo, entre outros que vão usar o espaço ao favor
now this is a really cool match up, i had no idea that karate could be this durable lmao. i expected the muay thai guy to just absolutely bomb him. you learn something new everyday ig, disregarding that little jab to the head the kyokushin guy nearly died from of course. also i slowed the video down so i could see where the karate dude was dropped and it indeed was the head kick that hurt the muay thai guys shin and the punch that floored the karate dude, but theres no way that the muay thai guy wouldn't beat the karate kid nat hearn
Kyokushin Karatekas are trained to fight bare handed. So they are naturally durable. It's different than other karate styles. Kyokushin is a full contact style but still fight bare handed, so Kyokushin Karate fighters are usually more conditioned to absorb body hits than anyone else . Muay Thai's main advantage against Kyokushin is that they are used to hit in the face and so has better face defence instinct and techniques. And Kyokushin's main advantage against Muay Thai is that they are trained to spar and fight full contact in bare hand which condition their body like no other martial arts do.
Kyokushin guy was really good, just think that was a little bit awkward that the Muay Thai guy was too evasive, since his advantage was close range combat. I think that's because they did not allowed elbows and knees since it's a friendly matchup.
Like how the fck u win against a guy that is literally tanking your punches like they were nothing. Is not like he is countering them or something, he just walks forward, that's crazy, big rspect. Everything said, muay thai guy wasn't throwing neither punches, elbows, or knees so i think he was holding back pretty much tbh.
I would say muay thai has still the upper hand because that fighter was pretty restricted,I mean,he couldn't strike the face,use elbows knees or clinch. Obviously the kyokushin guy Is a beast and very conditioned to the legs and I wouldn't like to fight him but since muay thai doesn't prohibite strikes to the face then I would say for most cases muay thai could win but that all depends on the practioner
Kyokushin guy Didn't elbow Didn't knee Didn't sweep Didn't double leg takedown Didn't wrestle It was a spar, rules kept both safe. Stop making it a war
I started with Kyokushin Karate before moving to Muay Thai for two years. MT doesn't have many flashy kicks which are common in Karate but its lot more practical in modern combat sports. Kyokushin fighters are a bit handicapped in the sense that they dont train how to throw punches to the head so they also lack defensive maneuver against head punches.. And when you elbows and clinch to their arsenal then Muay Thai is much more complete and deadly.
Remember kids and keyboard warriors, Muay Thai and karate are two different sports, karate is mostly kumite based, kata, etc. but Muay Thai is more focussed on full force fighting
@@mihaica87karate and Muay Thai are martial arts. Things like boxing are classified as sports. However, this doesn’t mean that they are any less effective in combat.
@@mihaica87no it’s not. There are different styles of karate. The most well known ones are probably sport karate, shotokan and kyokushin, most other styles derive from the last two. Only sport karate is no contact, shotokan is at least semi contact and kyokushin is full contact.
That's why k1 kickboxing exist, pretty much has everything of Kyokushin karate, has western boxing and a little bit of Muay Thai. It has punches of western boxing and includes spinning backfist aswell and has the same head movement as boxing (also has gloves obviously) they can kick the Muay Thai way or the Kyokushin way (leg kicks included) and it has knees, except you can't knee to the face, it also doesn't have elbows unlike Muay Thai. It's fast paced like Kyokushin (which is very fast) And mostly drills and hard sparring
El karate no es box o Muay thay no se andan cubriendo así el karate tiene otra guardia no sea tonto investigue primero porque de recibir putasos en la cara así cualquiera recibe y da la cosa es hacer el arte marcial el karate tiene otra guardia de cubrirse usa las manos diferente aparte el karate usa golpes de mano abierta el karate se defiende y da pelea sea con mano cerrada o abierta y patadas igual llaves luxaciones sometimientos y derribes no compares un deporte a un arte marcial aquí hay reglas que no son favorables para hacer karate verdadero y a mano pelona y shutos a mano abierta
@acornpoet In theory, but it depends on the practitioners, because a really good boxer will be able to manage his distance/timing, closing the gap when it's most beneficial. I like Kickboxing more personally but boxing has its own entire skillset
As a karateka of 20+ years, when a friend asks me which martial art to learn for self defense, I tell them Muay Thai/BJJ/boxing/kickboxing for when you need to be able to handle yourself decently in 2 years. Most of the time, by 2 years of any of those disciplines (while being consistent and giving it good effort of course) they should be able to handle themselves out on the street to survive and defend themselves. Karate, while it can still give the same results, can take much longer as it is more traditional and takes more time to get to the same level (depending on style, dojo, and instructor). A metaphor I loosely use is that Karate is the textbook way so to speak, while other martial arts can be a more "learn by doing" and labwork that can make learning much more quickly and efficiently.
@@acornpoet It depends on the practitioner. My brother does Karate. And anyone who fought him knows, he comes like the wind and recks everyone. He already had several street fights and nobody dares approach him when he is silent and angry.
Don't apologize for your own style! Personally I like the way you pause & commentate, makes it a lot easier to keep up with the action and your comments It would be really cool to see a pro level Karate/Kudo vs Muay Thai/Lethwei style tournament with an unbiased ruleset that actually allows both fighters to use their full kit, honestly I've never paid to watch a fight in my life not even a ppv but I would pay hand over fist for tickets to watch that tournament live Petchdam v Momotaro is probably the best fight I've seen to actually show a good display of Muay Thai v Karate Capitan Petchyindee vs. Hiroki Akimoto is also a decent fight to check out, but no clinch or elbows
I find it funny all kinds of people in the comments are talking crap about karate while knowing basically nothing about it while practically worshipping muay tai also im not a karate fanboy i take boxing however i just think its dumb to underestimate things you dont understand so that being said it cant be known all over the world for no reason however different styles of karate I guess I just depends on which one
@@RyanSmith-qh7sr and you do what martial art, considering your crapping on an art that has been around longer than you have been alive you must be the peak fighter you must be a world champion in the MMA you have probably mastered kick boxing and multiple martial arts to be able to judge one as trash so your either all of what I just said or some morbidly obese couch potato munching on chips behind a screen talking shit
Tip: if you press anywhere on the video a gear appears on the top right and you can adjust the speed It's good if you need to slow down the video to analyse it better
that's kyokushin though not the usual plain karate that karate guys try to defend. kyokushin is the full contact, hard training, more versatile version of karate. still not as conditioned as muay thai because of lack of face punches and grappling but still, pretty good. kyokushin was created after karatekas and then kickboxers started getting their arse handed to them by thai fighters. then the creator of kyokushin made karate more hardcore with inspiration from muay thai. then to promote it, they started inviting small thais to fight big japanese kyokushin guys in japan to show how his new style is apparently superior. then the creator of kyokushin had the audacity to go to thailand and build a kyokushin gym in the middle of bangkok after bashing muay thai. it clearly did not go well.
what the fuck are you spewing out here Oyama had nothing to do with that he respected Muay Thai and did implement it in Kyokushin as Kyokushin has Muay Thai kicks, it was the sore loser Kenji Kurosaki who was mad cause he was the only one who lost then later on called Oyama fraud cause his karate didn't work then created a kickboxing gym that had rules that went totally in favour of Karate and then later spread false rumors about Oyama to Jon Bluming who also didn't have a great relationship with Oyama cause Oyama refused to give the Honbu to him get your facts straight you know literally nothing
the kyokushin guy took all the leg kicks like it was nothing but as soon as he gets kicked to the head once he droppes and cries it just seems very suspicious ngl
Well yeah, as nat said, kyokushin isn’t allowed to hit the face. This means they aren’t used to it in the slightest. This was shown by how he failed to check the head kick, when someone who does Muay Thai seriously would have probably checked that correctly or at least got up after that.
@@skelly_snipez1291 I have seen multiple videos of kyokushin matches where they kick in the face even here the kyokusshin guy tried to kick the muay thai guy in the face
@@skelly_snipez1291 ? He did check it? In fact the Muay Thai guy was limping because of it because when the Kyokushin Karate practitioner blocked Muay Thai was only able to catch his elbow, pretty rough if you ask me, no one is used to eye gouges either no matter the martial art so i didnt expect the guy to even fight any further than the first kick which caught and gouged his eye, Kyokushin isnt trained to expect being hit in the head because they dont allow head hits but somehow he got up and kept fighting after an eye gouge, thats respectable
they arent alowed to hit the face its a muay thai guy vs a kyokushin guy in kyokushin rules but the muay thai guy is so used to hitting in the face and the kyokushin guy is not used to it but cant blame him for being used to his own rules
It's a sport... And if someone starts a fight with you on the street, most definitely they aren't very trained (if at all) and so a leg kick demolishes them anyway. And even then, if you are a Kyokushin practitioner you are still physically able to actually punch in the face; if that's what you find convenient in a particular situation without rules, then absolutely go for it, but competitions are different.
everytime i watch a martial art vs muay thai match they always make rules that takes away almost all of the arsenal of muay thai, like throwing knees, clinching, elbows etc. whats even the point then
@@andrei.boxing ofc it would've been the Muay Thai guy would've bled to death with an fractured skull cause unlike Muay Thai in Kyokushin they CONDITION their knuckles to literally break things as rocks,boards and bones Muay Thai fighters just use gloves and don't condition their knuckles just like boxers they fracture their knuckles all of the time
How can you consider the karate guy to be winning? By any measure, if you land more hits you are winning. The MT guy was landing clean shots from the beginning.
It appeared that the fight was being decided by knockdown rules. In Kyokushin knockdown rules, points aren't decided by who lands the most hits, but rather by who gets knocked out or thrown to the ground first and who retreats the least. The Kyokushin practicioner was eating all the hits and moving forward without a single retreat, so at that point he was winning.
@@afroduck6991 Wrong. They measure aggression, hits landed, where they land, lots of stuff. If one person is making leg kick after leg kick and the other one does nothing they're winning. How do you measure damage anyway? Silly comment.
always the same story with kyokushin fighters. Invincible tanks until they get the slightest hit to the face and crumple. What is the point on having a style that trains for everything except the most high percentage attack...
I think karate in general is best used as a long rage ish kinda martial art. That's how you see the best Karate based MMA fighters (Wonderboy, Machida) find success. You can often hear them harking on their counterattack fight style, wide stance etc. It's funny too, because most kyokushin guys(our gym included) don't fight like that since headshots are disallowed.
@@psynyder I mean, out of all the karate styles, kyokushin is the most close-quarter brawler one. People literally refer to them as fighting in a phone booth, I find them very different to shotokan or other point-karate styles which are more blitz and counter-attack oriented. The biggest value kyokushin has as a martial art imo is that it teaches people to punch without gloves, which is heavily underrated. Hands are really fragile, and many strikers don't realize that without gloves their metacarpals will very likely shatter on impact against a human skull. Still tho, the negative side is that it gives really bad habits of not protecting your face (the most important!)
The fight is held under kyokushin rules ie bare knuckles and keyboard warriors need to understand that punching with bare knucles on face which cannot be conditioned can deal searious damage cuz it acts as point force and where as kicks and punches with gloves acts as shear force plus hitting hand combos is much easier than landing kicks on the face!!
i mean yeah even a weak guy can knock you when it hit right. But both martial art trained their body to become steel and they are both for damage. Getting hit in the face is like get hit in the balls.
No. Bare knuckle is actually safer in the long run, as fighters can’t punch with 100% power, and there is less mass behind the punch, so harder to knockout someone and damage their brain. The knuckle is the smaller bone than almost all bones in the face. It will break much easier and sooner than any face bone. Also the face can be conditioned just like any other bone in the body.
@@ZigzagEnd yes the Muay Thai guy would have his face split open cause Kyokushin condition their knuckles to hit much harder Muay Thai don't do that they use gloves
With all respect to karate, they restricted half of muay thai and tried to call it a fair fight
only punches and elbows at head height were prohibited, is that all necessary to break the muay thai game?
@@matheusantunes3078 it is a very big part of it, yes. Muay thai elbows are quite powerful. Its like putting a boxer and a muay thai fighter in a ring and not letting the muay thai guy kick
@iamagenius-vt3zx the head is one of the most effective spots to hit. Also, what was the last time you could effectively land an elbow to the body?
A lot of competitive Karate really needs to add punches to the head and probably weight classes too, -- but then it just becomes kickboxing. :x
@@anastasisparastatidis5479 I thought that the great weapon of muay thai was the low kicks, he could still have landed elbows in the chest area despite the fact that elbows to the body were forbidden, but if we stop to think, the muay thai guy didn't even shorten the distance of the fight to get a knee, I don't think he would land an elbow so easily
Those Muay Thai leg kicks were BRUTAL
Or rather, MUAY THAI is brutal. Tbh, i think kyokushin karate is as brutal.
nah, it always depends on the fighter
Both threw some great leg kicks in there👍
Naaah. Bare knuckle fists to the face are more brutal. Just look at the Kyokushin guy's reaction to getting punched in the face compared to getting his leg kicked. Big difference.
@@vanzabala7960 sure, but culture produces the fighter. People aren't born with the skills or knowledge
Thid video happened in the Philippines and the Muay Thai guy is currently my friend’s Muay Thai coach as well lmao, he’s a nice and funny dude
I practise muay thai but I respect all martial arts. People who hate on karate do not know what they are talking about karate is a fantastic martial art
Seems like whenever someone else is fighting a Muay Thai fighter to prove it's not the best martial art, there's always a bunch of rules where they bascially remove 50% of the arsenal of the Muay thai fighter. No elbows, no knees, no clinch, and sometimes even no strikes to head ect, if you have to make up a bunch of rules to cater to one specific martial art it's not fair, should be anything goes.
This place looks like a Karate dojo, so the Muay Thai guy is the one that even put himself in this situation in the first place. Actually, most Muay Thai vs Karate fights always go like this. The only fair fights we have between Karate and MT is seen in K-1 and in One Championship.
They should do an everything allowed with karate vs Muay Thai kinda like mma
I mean … no knees, no elbows, no clinch … it’s hardly MT really
it is what it is ig
But another advantage bare hand for Muay thai
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This is like the time a while ago where they said a kickboxing guy was better than a Muay Thai guy because they took out 90% of his options
Karate with head strikes = Kickboxing
Kickboxing with more weapons = Muay Thai
Well the Muay Thai stance and some techniques are very different to kickboxing. And the fighting logic/ martial art point is different. (Example: kickboxing stance tends to be more lateral and wide Muay Thai stance is more square, hand placement is slightly different) obviously everything depends on the fighter and the stance, hand placement fighting style etc… can change depending on the fighter too
this isn't a real fight since it didn't showcase all capabilities both fighters had. It's more like a "conditioning competition" where they tested who had better body conditioning.
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As a martial artist with over 20 years of experience, believe me when telling you: It always depends on the person and not the martial art itself.
And don't come with questions like: But what if you compare a karate fighter and a MT fighter with equals skills. You will never find such two fighters. No one has exactly equal skills, especially when it's about two different martial arts.
Thank you. I always say that fighting is a set of skills and abilities completely independent from style, and that the ability to fight will make almost any style work for you. Literally everyone hates that opinion. 😅
thats partially right, if its only 1v1 yes it depends on the fighters more than the martial itself, but if we have many fights where 80% of the time a martial art practitioner wins over another then we can say confidently that the former martial art is superior. take for example takwondo vs MT i bet that most of the time MT guy will win no matter how good the Taekwondo guy is
The Thai fighter connnected with a blazing fast hook at the end. People are giving the Kyokushin guy too much shit. That was a nasty bare knuckle shot. The thing is that they were obviously doing a Kyokushin rules match, so dude wasn't expecting to be nailed in the face. Other than that I would say that the karate guy was actually having the upper hand and he's clearly supremely conditioned.
i think the karate guy was having the upper hand in the karata match but he clearly lost the fight. if you don't train with punches to the face you wont expect or handle it well when u do get punched in the head, the karate guy always gets knocked out because he only knows how to punch and get punched in the body
@@metalface_villainespecially with a muay Thai fighter too
it was a accidental touch after a kick dont be silly
but it still hurts dont get me wrong
The punch to the face didn't hurt him, it was an accidental eye gouge. Slow down the footage, and you'll see.
Apparently, according to some comments in the original, the Muay Thai guy's kick accidentally went into his eye, which led to the stoppage. (or at least the kick pushed his fist into his eye).
The Muay Thai guy didn't mean to do it though, so all is well.
mauy thai was definitely holding back; no clinching, no elbows, no knees.. only standard punching and kicking.. but props to the karate guy for the durable legs.
You can't really compare Muay thai and karate like this, Mr. Muay thai wasn't allowed to use elbows, knees and clinching. This is a great way to show off their kicks though, no doubt about it, but i would still love to see a "Traditional" fight with gloves mouthguards and everything
karate also uses elbows, punches to the face, knees, throws, chops, back fist, body elbows etc. I think if a kyokushin fighter starts training to hit the face, it will be really deadly cause karate straight punches are the strongest kind of punches
@@weirdgrimjow5372 Oh, i actually didn't know that. I thought elbows and knees were forbidden in karate. But i still find it funny how a "Martial art" has rules that prevents hits to the head when it's allowed in "Normal" karate
@@kvist2228 in my dojo we were taught everything. We regularly sparred and focused on knuckle and chin conditioning. We even practiced throws and real life scenarios much like krav maga. It really does depend on the dojo that one is enrolled at.
@@kvist2228 Kyokushin karate has taken a lot of techiniques from other martial arts, like taekwondo and muay thai, so at least in this scenario both fighters could've used knees and elbows to hit. As for punches to the face that has more to do with how impossible it is to condition your head to take punches. Image training and receiving such a blunt punch from a higher belt to the face, that's one sure way to get a concussion. Kicks to the face are allowed though so I don't understand why so may kyokushin practitioners have such low guards.
@@weirdgrimjow5372Chin conditioning? Can you tell me more?
mad respect to the muay thai guy giving respect by bowing to his downed opponent
fun fact: the kyokushin guy youre talking about is our sensei and hes the world branch chief of kyokushin karate his name is Sensei "Artemio Mancol"
Why limit anything if u wanna do muythai vs karate just do all blow out , muythai didn’t clinch knee no elbow .
karate was limited to ya know, in kyokushin we can use knees and elbows too, we also have takedowns so this was unfair for both martial arts
If they cannot punch head that hard it's especially unfair they should also wear gloves next time @@kelvinx2206
@@kelvinx2206 Limit by can not punc to the face haha
@@kelvinx2206this was much more proximal to a karate rule set though. No strikes to the head, no gloves thereof-strong bias
@@NarutoUzomaki65 Muay Thai guy was lucky they didn't allow face punches cause the Kyokushin fighter would've split his head open cause unlike Muay Thai in Kyokushin they condition their knuckles to break bones, boards, rocks etc and they do practise head punches just don't use it in sparring
I've seen a karate guy and thai boxer go at it where the karate guy starts off completely dominant in body shots and kick exchanges but then -- he takes a single jab to the face and stumbles backward like he'd seen a ghost.
Karate needs punches to the head to be competitive, I think.
mas oyama removed punches to the face because they were too lethal and you cant really condition your face
@emugss1201 you can't train taking blows to the head, but you can certainly train to defend it better beyond some 1-step block drills. Besides, there are some karate tournaments with punches to the head, often with headgear, and the blow that keeps sending people out seriously injured at karate tournaments by far the most is still spinning back kick...
I won't deny there's still higher risk for long term brain damage even with headgear ofc, but there's often a price to pay in any physical sport or even ppl working a hard job all day long. And the unfortunate truth is punches to the head are just too common to not practice defending them seriously.
@@typhoonic well then why dont boxers learn to defend against low kicks LMAOI
@emugss1201 they should, especially with all the boxers I've seen come into mma and have bad kick defense, especially low kicks.
Note to self, if you fight a Kyokushin guy, always aim for the head
There allergic for punches in the head
It’s muscle memory if you’ve only been punched in the liver you won’t know how to deal with punches to the head
@@Jujitard69420 its a joke you know
@@FRANKHORRIGAN_ENCLAVESOLDIERit’s also very true
@@Jujitard69420 yeah but it’s still a joke that’s also very true
Came for the jawline stayed for the video
Bro CAME for what?⁉️🤨
@@doob.Did I stutter?
bro looks like the chad meme, bro looks like handsome squidward (that's not a compliment)
the kyokushin guy is like 20kg heavier than the muay thai guy so of course he ll tank more n deliver heavier blows , all those lead low kicks that "did nothing" were to set up the massive high roundhouse by le muay thai fighter.
There are only 3 striking styles in the world:
Boxing
Muay Thai
and others
As a boxing practitioner, I'm terrified of Muay Thai fighters not because it's superior but because it's more feral.
To me, Boxing is just a 'beat-you-up' but Muay Thai really wants to hurt you. I get flustered a bit when I hear someone does Muay thai, it's just the fear of a broken bone I guess😅 but mad respect to them.
To those wanting to learn a striking style; Boxing is above moderate striking, above moderate defence while Muay thai is excellent striking, moderate defense.
Really? I have just started muay thai and I would be afraid of boxers became they move way to fast and dodge so much I could never hit them because muay thai is so short range and I would just get overwhelmed by the amount of punches being thrown at me.
@@yeetman9892 Yeah (I love martial arts so much!!!). For me what I'm most scared of from sparring with someone who does Muay Thai is those low kicks. Boxing teaches you to keep your feet grounded while moving and especially in a sparring session where you can't just rush in and it's prolonged, there's only an amount of kicks my thighs could take not to mention a knee when you keep close distance.
That's why I'm a little bit flustered about Muay thai because unlike boxing, it's there to do real damage. That's why I consider it the only style that can be compared with boxing
@@whatidoknow3417What do you think of kickboxing as a boxer?
MT doesn’t really aim to break bones. Usually they try to hurt muscle and nerves point like chin or below ear
@@yeetman9892 keep learning control the space and distance. legs always longer(have exceptional some have punch longer than your leg if they very tall) and muay thai have foot work skill too call "ย่างสามขุม" (yang sam khum)
karate would be fine if they learn to take a punch in the face
im a boxing based mma guy and i cant imagine boxers crumbling like this after getting punched in the face
isn't the whole point of boxing not to get hit? Also if you didn't notice there are no gloves in these fights, and like Nat said these guys are taking these kicks that would normally cripple people. If you ask me, boxing is just the lazy martial art, because its extremely simple comparatively to other martial arts that have much more variety, are much more effective, and have many more options. According to the video though, the kick hit his eye. A kick to the face and a punch can knock out almost anyone, even you braindead boxers.
@@Apathetic2624what are you yapping on about lol
Nah, there is much more there to improve to make karate an efficient marcial art.
@@yousseftristankhelifi6030 i promise you mate 90% of karate fighters would mash your head in
@@prowaffle31Don't think so, I've been practicing karate 2 years and muay thai other 2 years.
5:30 elbows should be allowed even in kyokushin rules and also here we do kicks to the face so that's allowed
I feel like under thai rules the Karate fighter would have been elbowed in the face several times throughout that fight
Kyokushin has elbow strikes too, I don't know what set of rules are being used on this fight
Nat's jawline 🥹
I’m one minute into the video and I can already tell that the rules nerfed Muay Thai a lot
Why ?
if they would've been allowed to hit in the face i am confident that the Kyokushin fighter would've won they have much harder punches and yes they do practise head punches just don't apply it in sparring for some reason and Muay Thai fighters don't condition their knuckles mostly only their body and legs
I could be wrong, but personally, it wasn't really fair sparring if it's under the premise of Kyokushin rules (body punches only) which does limit elbows and knees and a lot of the arsenal that can be brought from Muay Thai, but it doesn't downplay the fact that both Kyokushin and Muay Thai are incredible martial arts! Though the question is what was the sparring trying to prove?
It was mind-blowing to see how the karate guy took every leg kick like it was nothing.
Both of them put a good fight
100%👍
It's less common for people to TKO from shots to the outer leg- less nerve endings so you feel the kick less. The inner thigh is a much softer target, just harder to reach. Most of the MT coaches I've had say to target the back of the knee if you're kicking from the outside.
As someone that's done Kickboxing for many years, and only less than a year ago, switched to Kyokushin, I can tell you, in regards the conditioning, the conditioning of a Kyokushin fighter, is on a different level to any other martial art, including Muay Thai.
Are you aware of how Thai fighters train at all?
@@fivefootfive9671 I've trained for years in Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Im guessing longer than yourself.
Firstly, you're sparring with thick shin pads and pillow gloves. Spar with no gloves, no shin pads, like in Kyokushin, and do many conditioning drills, and tell me how different it feels...
Hence, the guys that Ive seen from Kyokushin, are generally significantly more conditioned than the guys from my past Kickboxing/Muay Thai gyms.
@@AlexHellene tbh I can’t invalidate your claims because I don’t have as much kyokushin experience as you-perhaps not even as much kickboxing.
That doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t trained to defend their head. No amount of conditioning matters if you get knocked out.
Head defense is 80% of good defensive training in kickboxing/Muay Thai. Defense period is the most important thing, conditioning comes far after. I’d even put cardio, mobility and footwork ahead of conditioning. More critical aspects of conditioning such as bone density really come down to building muscle according to current research, so that comes down to strength training. Like it’s cool that kyokushin guys have the mental grit to take a hit anywhere that’s not their head, but… a Nak Muay with good boxing could wear 20 ounce gloves and send a kyokushin practitioner reeling. I don’t even mind taking hard shots to the body at all, and we aim specifically for the solar plexus and liver. I’ve been destroyed by leg kicks before. None of it is as daunting as getting your head smacked up by a very dominant sparring partner.
Nak Muay and kickboxers operate under much more rigorous rulesets and as such, gloves are kinda imperative if you want to be 40+ and still have a brain. And evidently they can still take hits sufficiently well, as even in the amateur circuits, minimally/non padded knees and kicks are part of the game. As Muay Thai is more “fights” than “matches” as competitive kyokushin tends to be, surely you know the difference in technique between the two-Thai kicks are designed for raw force and range whereas kyokushin kicks are generally designed for speed/dexterity. Overlap exists, but any martial art at its best is ultimately just a product of the ruleset it’s practitioners compete/fight with.
Lastly-a matter of philosophy. Let’s take low kicks-kyokushin does have leg-checking on some level, but to my understanding, it’s rarely a preference-you can evade, counter with the targeted leg, sure-Muay Thai has that too. But there is often a preference is to sit your weight into the targeted leg to counter instead of checking-why?? With such an emphasis on conditioning, it makes sense that kyokushin teaches the “take one to give one” mentality. My guy, snap kicks can hurt but a Ernesto Hoost style diagonal low kick can literally shut your leg down in one go. Sitting down onto the leg won’t necessarily protect your peroneal nerve from being struck. You need your legs in tact for lateral movement, so why waste them for a counter when you can instead check and punish their shin, or evade and make them miss?
Conditioning will not protect your head, your liver, your solar plexus, or the critical nerves of your legs. Muay Thai trains us to target these areas-not just to strike them but to SET UP attacks. Our movements are designed for power output because it’s not a pure point sport.
Lastly-y’all divert some of your training time to Kata, no? 100% of our time is spent on time tested. scenario specific drills or Thai style interactive padwork. Fighters run miles every day in prep for their bouts.
I think Kyokushin is dope and a great supplement to kickboxing, Muay Thai and MMA, but I think it’s silly when people compare it to Muay Thai. It’s kinda apples to oranges. Might as well compare karate to MMA.
@@fivefootfive9671not reading all that
@@fivefootfive9671 Kyokushin fighters aren't trained to defend their head? Depends on the club. I've noticed some clubs to do some head sparring, some don't.
But from what I've noticed from Muay Thai is, unless we are talking fairly high level Dutch style fighters, Muay Thai fighters have very low hand skill level, especially traditional Thai style, Muay Thai fighters.
Other than hitting pads, most Muay Thai training puts little emphasis on hands, especially defensively. Kyokushin puts more defensively. And from what I've seen watching and training in Muay Thai, this means many Muay Thai fighters rely heavily on keeping their opponents at a distance with kicks, or if their opponents get close in with the hand combos, they will rely heavily on the tie up and clinch to stop the opponent's punching combo. This is because in Muay Thai, punches score the lowest, therefore not a lot of punches are thrown, hence there's less of an emphasis on boxing at training, and if an opponent does throw them, those two tactics I mentioned are generally employed to try counter it. Generally the only exception to that is Dutch Muay Thai, but to be honest, those fights generally more resemble Western Kickboxing. This is because punches are not scored lower in the Netherlands.
As for Kata, that's a small component - But I agree, I don't do Kata class myself, as I prefer to training in the practical classes, rather than devote time and effort to non-practical things.
Kinomutay would still win common L in my book (that was a joke but kinomutay is a grappling martial art that involves biting nut punches and eye gouging.
That Kyokushin guy in the video is actually a Filipino he has his own dojo now in Antipolo, Philippines
imagine banning punches to the face, knees, elbows, clinching, sweeps and trips and calling it muay thai vs karate only to get punched in the face two times and lose LMAO.
Exactly it was more favour for the karate fighter because the muay Thai guy wasn't allowed a lot of what he knows and the karate guy still lost
Stop whining the is under Karate rules the Thai fighter took it knowing the risk. And if you wanna get technical there's a lot more techniques the Kyokushin could've used. Kyokushin also has ground work ranging from Judo to Jijitsu.
@@kesenaememere8520 you don't get it do you? This means the fight was unfair for the muay Thai fighter and he still beat the kyokushin fighter. If it was fair then the kyokushin guy wouldn't stand a chance
@@ahmedabuzaid8126 No lmao if anything it showed the Karate guy has more restraint.
@@kesenaememere8520 yeah because he got touched in the face and fell on the floor💀
Pro tip Nat: you can go frame by frame if you pause & then press the < (to go back 1 frame) or > (to go forward 1 frame)
This is the best way to do striking exchange analysis due to the speed. Try it. It was a kick then punch.
If you do Muay Thai and kyokushin that’s a deadly combo
As a Kyokushin practitioner, I agree that Muay Thai is very strong, but that's not a reason to underestimate us!
I know punches to the face are not allowed in Kyokushin competition,But do you practice defence against them in training?
@@tomdewyn5689Kyokushin people can definitely defend head punches. It’s simple adjustments, there are many kyokushin fighters who can easily transition to muay thai or kickboxing in a week.
@@tomdewyn5689 similar to Boxing, we also have head defenses, blocks and such.
@@tomdewyn5689 not only that they also teach us to fight in the ground 👍
hi fellow comrade
As a karate and a muaythai guys i respect both of them
I'd say it was a decent fight, but the muay thai guy definitely won. I mean, apparently punches to the face weren't allowed, as well as elbows and clinches, basically kyokushin rules, and the karate guy still had two "downs", while the muay thai guy didn't really receive a strong hit, and he also was very respectful, so that's that.
The downs came from illegal strikes under "Kyokushin rules".
Yep as to look I think he hit him in the eye that's why
He didn't win if he used techniques that were not allowed in the rules. If you can't win without cheating then you didn't win.
@@robcherry4504 lol
I want a whole series of this
They literally got no rules dnd both of them need gloves and stuff, that's probably why the Muay Thai guy maybe held back. But I have huge respect for these guys, the kyokushin one could take his leg kicks, while the other fighter could take the kicks and punches. Amazing
That's the fun fact - Kyokushin Karatekas are trained to fight bare handed. So Muay Thai guy doesn't have to hold back here, Kyokushin is a full contact style but still fight bare handed, so Kyokushin Karate fighters are usually more conditioned to absorb body hits than anyone else . Muay Thai's main advantage against Kyokushin is that they are used to hit in the face and so has better face defence instinct and techniques. And Kyokushin's main advantage against Muay Thai is that they are trained to spar and fight full contact in bare hand which condition their body like no other martial arts do.
@@aritramitra4401 you can't really condition your face like i mean you can't at all the more blows you take to the head the more damage you will recieve
remember fighting one martial art doesnt mean you have a restricted moveset😂😂
Every time when i fight vs karate or kickboxer with "muay thai" im not allowed to use many moves.
It would be interesting to fight kickboxer or karate with full muay thai rules. Its just though to be unfair
Watch Hiroki Akimoto fights in One Championship ;)
@@alexeymitjaew6926 okey
@@diminpalkatoyj4254 just saying if you're fighting against kyokushin karate you're also fighting against a restricted practitioner, you're not the only one being restricted
Thats a classic thai technique, called the kickpunch or the thai superman punch
Real Karate is brutal. Very much "no rules everything goes". It was made to survive life threatening situations where you could actually die. Kyokushin rules isnt even a decent representation.
so was muay thai's muay boran past. judo's japanese jujutsu past. khun khmer's bokator past. most martial arts at some point were used to fight in the battlefield with no rules. karate isn't unique at that aspect, not even close.
@@WasiulWahid-ot7cjhe's saying kyokushin isn't a great representation of karate as it's a dumbed down version made to compete with boxing as a spectator sport. IE not real karate like say Goju ryu, where the grappling joint locks throws and take downs were not removed. That is to say most of its tools were removed leaving striking almost exclusively exclusively. You wouldn't say "this is plumbing at its finest" if the plumber showed up with just a screw driver. Is the point he is trying to make I believe.
That muay thai guy's punch at the end was crazy and he hit him because of his reflexes at least i think so
Yeah i think like you it's reflexes And he even apologized in the end.
Naah he was breaking the rules.Karate guys didn't expect that the MT guy punch.If this MT rules,karate guy would block it.
In my opinion Muay Thai rule is the most fairness for every stand up fighting styles because you can punching , clinching , throwing , elbow , knee , kicking and sweeping.
These videos of one martial art vs another are usually not fair fights because often one fighter (usually Muay Thai) has been training for the purpose of cage fighting and has lots of experience fighting, while for the other it’s often their first time in a cage. A lot of the time when these other martial arts like taekwondo or karate are trained for cage fighting they can be very effective, examples being wonderboy, yair Rodrigues, liota mochita
Good point, but it’s not about training for fighting in cages imo, as thais fight in normal rings. I think it has to do more with sparring full contact with people with different styles than you. You can adapt karate to most fighting rulesets, but you have to train accordingly. A boxer will get destroyed in kickboxing if he doesn’t train to deal with kicks, a kickboxer will have a real hard time in muay thai if he doesn’t improve his clinch game, and a thai will get annihilated in a boxing match if he doesn’t learn good footwork and combos
@@juanmejiagomez5514 I agree, it has to do with what your used to and what you train for just as much as your skill and the martial arts legitimacy.
In the 1970s, one of the most famous Karate Senseis, Masoyama, sent 3 Karateka to Thailand to fight Nak Muays. 2 out of the three Karatekas won. But today, there are just too many Karate McDojos, and the art has degraded, while Muay Thai has evolved, and practically all Muay Thai gyms are legit. It is harder to find a legit Karate Dojo (especially in Europe where I live) than a good Muay Thai gym, therefore today, most of the time, when a Karateka faces a NakMuay, Karateka dies. Also, not including punches to the face when sparring/competing is not smart if you want to learn how to implement your art in a fight scenario.
The thing is, back then Karate training involved proper hard sparring alongside technical work. It was a genuine fighting martial art and was more comparable to Muay Thai and kickboxing. Nowadays it’s almost impossible to find a karate dojo that does sparring let alone hard sparring, it’s basically just tap dancing nowadays and where parents send their kids to keep them busy for an hour in the evening. Even an amateur boxer would annihilate a modern day Karate black belt in a street fight, it is utterly pointless to learn Karate nowadays.
@@zigzagnemesist5074Karate Won the Muay thai Guys using Grappling Ancient Kyokushin mix Judo and Karate.
not Mcdojos of Kyokushin its just that they don't train nearly as hard and as brutal as Oyama dojo was, the principles are lost its sad that they brought Kenji Kurosaki there, he had a visa unlike the first choice who was Shigeru Oyama who would've wooped the Muay Thai dude that Kenji went against
I want to see real muay thai vs karate with mma rules
in MMA rules whoever has ground game will win... K1 rules would be good but we have already seen that... just watch K1
MMA não é uma luta justa para mostrar as habilidades, karatê no MMA não tem nem 50% dos golpes que se usuária normalmente, o verdadeiro teste é quando acontece de brigar na rua, MMA é limitado a realidade, ninguém se defende com precisão em um espaço de 10 metros já na rua é bem mais fácil para o karatê, taekwondo, entre outros que vão usar o espaço ao favor
now this is a really cool match up, i had no idea that karate could be this durable lmao. i expected the muay thai guy to just absolutely bomb him. you learn something new everyday ig, disregarding that little jab to the head the kyokushin guy nearly died from of course. also i slowed the video down so i could see where the karate dude was dropped and it indeed was the head kick that hurt the muay thai guys shin and the punch that floored the karate dude, but theres no way that the muay thai guy wouldn't beat the karate kid nat hearn
Kyokushin Karatekas are trained to fight bare handed. So they are naturally durable. It's different than other karate styles. Kyokushin is a full contact style but still fight bare handed, so Kyokushin Karate fighters are usually more conditioned to absorb body hits than anyone else . Muay Thai's main advantage against Kyokushin is that they are used to hit in the face and so has better face defence instinct and techniques. And Kyokushin's main advantage against Muay Thai is that they are trained to spar and fight full contact in bare hand which condition their body like no other martial arts do.
@@aritramitra4401 thats cool, thanks.
Kyokushin guy was really good, just think that was a little bit awkward that the Muay Thai guy was too evasive, since his advantage was close range combat. I think that's because they did not allowed elbows and knees since it's a friendly matchup.
i dont think he was allowed clinching either
When you practice both: 😎
Like how the fck u win against a guy that is literally tanking your punches like they were nothing. Is not like he is countering them or something, he just walks forward, that's crazy, big rspect. Everything said, muay thai guy wasn't throwing neither punches, elbows, or knees so i think he was holding back pretty much tbh.
The Kyokushin guy was a tank he was taking them hard kicks like it was nothing lmao
I would say muay thai has still the upper hand because that fighter was pretty restricted,I mean,he couldn't strike the face,use elbows knees or clinch. Obviously the kyokushin guy Is a beast and very conditioned to the legs and I wouldn't like to fight him but since muay thai doesn't prohibite strikes to the face then I would say for most cases muay thai could win but that all depends on the practioner
Muay Thai guy
Didn't teep
Didn't knee
Didn't elbow
yea probably against the rules of the fight if there were any
Didn't clinch too
Kyokushin guy
Didn't elbow
Didn't knee
Didn't sweep
Didn't double leg takedown
Didn't wrestle
It was a spar, rules kept both safe. Stop making it a war
@@nifLefty you’re allowed to sweep, and teep in sparring you know?😅
I started with Kyokushin Karate before moving to Muay Thai for two years. MT doesn't have many flashy kicks which are common in Karate but its lot more practical in modern combat sports. Kyokushin fighters are a bit handicapped in the sense that they dont train how to throw punches to the head so they also lack defensive maneuver against head punches.. And when you elbows and clinch to their arsenal then Muay Thai is much more complete and deadly.
Remember kids and keyboard warriors, Muay Thai and karate are two different sports, karate is mostly kumite based, kata, etc. but Muay Thai is more focussed on full force fighting
No, karate is a sport. Muay thai is fighting
@@mihaica87Não, Karatê é uma luta
Kyokushin Karate is also Full contact like Muay Thai
@@mihaica87karate and Muay Thai are martial arts. Things like boxing are classified as sports. However, this doesn’t mean that they are any less effective in combat.
@@mihaica87no it’s not. There are different styles of karate. The most well known ones are probably sport karate, shotokan and kyokushin, most other styles derive from the last two. Only sport karate is no contact, shotokan is at least semi contact and kyokushin is full contact.
Kyokushin rules are dumb. They are not even trying to protect their faces from punches.
That is why they have another set of rules where punching the face is allowed. Plus k-1 is started by a Karate guy
That's why k1 kickboxing exist, pretty much has everything of Kyokushin karate, has western boxing and a little bit of Muay Thai.
It has punches of western boxing and includes spinning backfist aswell and has the same head movement as boxing (also has gloves obviously) they can kick the Muay Thai way or the Kyokushin way (leg kicks included) and it has knees, except you can't knee to the face, it also doesn't have elbows unlike Muay Thai.
It's fast paced like Kyokushin (which is very fast)
And mostly drills and hard sparring
El karate no es box o Muay thay no se andan cubriendo así el karate tiene otra guardia no sea tonto investigue primero porque de recibir putasos en la cara así cualquiera recibe y da la cosa es hacer el arte marcial el karate tiene otra guardia de cubrirse usa las manos diferente aparte el karate usa golpes de mano abierta el karate se defiende y da pelea sea con mano cerrada o abierta y patadas igual llaves luxaciones sometimientos y derribes no compares un deporte a un arte marcial aquí hay reglas que no son favorables para hacer karate verdadero y a mano pelona y shutos a mano abierta
If you want to receive respect, you have to give it first
I think the Muaythai guy had a disadvantage because he visibly held himself back multiple times. Probably due to the rules
Muay Thai vs karate 💀
Muay Thai + karate 🗿
Kyokoshin just has that achilles heel (or head) if kyokoshin could also train with head punches/elbows gawd damn
It'd be cool to see a boxer and kickboxer have a go
Kickboxing would beat the boxer, just because they have a longer range and bigger arsenal
@acornpoet In theory, but it depends on the practitioners, because a really good boxer will be able to manage his distance/timing, closing the gap when it's most beneficial. I like Kickboxing more personally but boxing has its own entire skillset
@@braydenfontaine1666 it always depends on the practitioner
@@braydenfontaine1666 but at the same time a really good kickboxer would be able to keep them at a distance without letting them close the gap
@acornpoet Very true, but you never know what can happen in a match
Nat is majestic bro🥵
Something to note is that the karate guy seems to be bigger than the Muay Thai guy, size is a big factor in fights
We all know it’s a good day when Nat uploads a new vid
😎😎thank you
ive taken karate for years its funny seeing people say it won't work in a real fight
Yeah I know hahah
I think you should react to different styles of karate and different competitions (WKF, karate combat etc)
Yes that’s a good idea actually👍👍
This is PHILIPPINES KYOKUSHIN!!
im 90% sure he got hit with some sort of cross/elbow at 3:54 looks like a really clean hit to the chin/cheek
As a karateka of 20+ years, when a friend asks me which martial art to learn for self defense, I tell them Muay Thai/BJJ/boxing/kickboxing for when you need to be able to handle yourself decently in 2 years. Most of the time, by 2 years of any of those disciplines (while being consistent and giving it good effort of course) they should be able to handle themselves out on the street to survive and defend themselves. Karate, while it can still give the same results, can take much longer as it is more traditional and takes more time to get to the same level (depending on style, dojo, and instructor). A metaphor I loosely use is that Karate is the textbook way so to speak, while other martial arts can be a more "learn by doing" and labwork that can make learning much more quickly and efficiently.
You copy pasted the comment.
Karate also is more flashy
@@acornpoet It depends on the practitioner. My brother does Karate. And anyone who fought him knows, he comes like the wind and recks everyone. He already had several street fights and nobody dares approach him when he is silent and angry.
@@EasypediaTech copy and pasted?
@@phanthomboy3 Yes. I read this exact comment on another video.
Don't apologize for your own style! Personally I like the way you pause & commentate, makes it a lot easier to keep up with the action and your comments
It would be really cool to see a pro level Karate/Kudo vs Muay Thai/Lethwei style tournament with an unbiased ruleset that actually allows both fighters to use their full kit, honestly I've never paid to watch a fight in my life not even a ppv but I would pay hand over fist for tickets to watch that tournament live
Petchdam v Momotaro is probably the best fight I've seen to actually show a good display of Muay Thai v Karate
Capitan Petchyindee vs. Hiroki Akimoto is also a decent fight to check out, but no clinch or elbows
I find it funny all kinds of people in the comments are talking crap about karate while knowing basically nothing about it while practically worshipping muay tai
also im not a karate fanboy i take boxing however i just think its dumb to underestimate things you dont understand so that being said it cant be known all over the world for no reason however different styles of karate I guess I just depends on which one
Fr fr I don’t understand the hate behind karate
Hate is obvious, karate is trash😂
@@RyanSmith-qh7sr and you do what martial art, considering your crapping on an art that has been around longer than you have been alive you must be the peak fighter you must be a world champion in the MMA you have probably mastered kick boxing and multiple martial arts to be able to judge one as trash so your either all of what I just said or some morbidly obese couch potato munching on chips behind a screen talking shit
@@RyanSmith-qh7srbro, I bet you can’t even last 1 minute jn the octagon.😂😂😂
@@RyanSmith-qh7sr what martial art experience do you have ?
Best TH-camr bro.
Thank you bro👊👊
the face has to be the worst weak spot you could possibly have in a fight
Tip: if you press anywhere on the video a gear appears on the top right and you can adjust the speed
It's good if you need to slow down the video to analyse it better
that's kyokushin though not the usual plain karate that karate guys try to defend. kyokushin is the full contact, hard training, more versatile version of karate. still not as conditioned as muay thai because of lack of face punches and grappling but still, pretty good.
kyokushin was created after karatekas and then kickboxers started getting their arse handed to them by thai fighters. then the creator of kyokushin made karate more hardcore with inspiration from muay thai. then to promote it, they started inviting small thais to fight big japanese kyokushin guys in japan to show how his new style is apparently superior. then the creator of kyokushin had the audacity to go to thailand and build a kyokushin gym in the middle of bangkok after bashing muay thai. it clearly did not go well.
what the fuck are you spewing out here Oyama had nothing to do with that he respected Muay Thai and did implement it in Kyokushin as Kyokushin has Muay Thai kicks, it was the sore loser Kenji Kurosaki who was mad cause he was the only one who lost then later on called Oyama fraud cause his karate didn't work then created a kickboxing gym that had rules that went totally in favour of Karate and then later spread false rumors about Oyama to Jon Bluming who also didn't have a great relationship with Oyama cause Oyama refused to give the Honbu to him get your facts straight you know literally nothing
"I guess the karate guy is winning cus he is taking the leg kicks well"😂😂
Bruh
the kyokushin guy took all the leg kicks like it was nothing but as soon as he gets kicked to the head once he droppes and cries it just seems very suspicious ngl
Well yeah, as nat said, kyokushin isn’t allowed to hit the face. This means they aren’t used to it in the slightest. This was shown by how he failed to check the head kick, when someone who does Muay Thai seriously would have probably checked that correctly or at least got up after that.
it were punches that hit the face
@@skelly_snipez1291 I have seen multiple videos of kyokushin matches where they kick in the face even here the kyokusshin guy tried to kick the muay thai guy in the face
@@skelly_snipez1291 ? He did check it? In fact the Muay Thai guy was limping because of it because when the Kyokushin Karate practitioner blocked Muay Thai was only able to catch his elbow, pretty rough if you ask me, no one is used to eye gouges either no matter the martial art so i didnt expect the guy to even fight any further than the first kick which caught and gouged his eye, Kyokushin isnt trained to expect being hit in the head because they dont allow head hits but somehow he got up and kept fighting after an eye gouge, thats respectable
@@skelly_snipez1291 you can't condtion your face
Kyokushin Guy's Achilles' heel is his face. Seriously I want to see his conditioning to be able to eat powerful low kicks like it's nothing.
they arent alowed to hit the face its a muay thai guy vs a kyokushin guy in kyokushin rules but the muay thai guy is so used to hitting in the face and the kyokushin guy is not used to it but cant blame him for being used to his own rules
I see no point to an "martial" art that doesnt allow to punch in the face. It´s not realistic at all!
Bro, they do but no in competitions. Bare knuckle to the face is insane.
It's a sport... And if someone starts a fight with you on the street, most definitely they aren't very trained (if at all) and so a leg kick demolishes them anyway. And even then, if you are a Kyokushin practitioner you are still physically able to actually punch in the face; if that's what you find convenient in a particular situation without rules, then absolutely go for it, but competitions are different.
You remind me of my kickboxing instructor. You two are almost identical.
Andy Hug might be the most outstanding kyokushun fighter ever he beat alot of Muay thai fighters in K1 and had the most beautiful axe kicks ever
with muay thai rules?
@@kenkr4059 knees allowed, no elbows, sweeps allowed, no takedowns.
@@fruitylerlups530 Yep This is him hahahah th-cam.com/video/rRHrCaqovpM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=mhobdivad
If Muay Thai guy allowed to elbow, kneee, clinging than it would be different
even if he can punch properly
MUAY THAI IS SO MUCH BETTER
@@bloodsports94there is a good difference in muay thai there are elbows , knees , and some other stuff that karate doesnt have
ofc it would be it would be in favour of the Kyokushin fighter then if head punches were allowed
Muay thai v kyokushin with kyokushin rules, now try with muay thai rules
everytime i watch a martial art vs muay thai match they always make rules that takes away almost all of the arsenal of muay thai, like throwing knees, clinching, elbows etc. whats even the point then
@@Ryu-qk1kx exactly, the fight wouldve been different is the muay thai was allowed to elbow,knee and punch to the face
Andy Hug K1 tournament? No?
@@andrei.boxing ofc it would've been the Muay Thai guy would've bled to death with an fractured skull cause unlike Muay Thai in Kyokushin they CONDITION their knuckles to literally break things as rocks,boards and bones Muay Thai fighters just use gloves and don't condition their knuckles just like boxers they fracture their knuckles all of the time
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Glad to hear it, thank you👊
Karate like old old karate is insane
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@@Theriople Birthplace of Karate
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How can you consider the karate guy to be winning? By any measure, if you land more hits you are winning. The MT guy was landing clean shots from the beginning.
It appeared that the fight was being decided by knockdown rules. In Kyokushin knockdown rules, points aren't decided by who lands the most hits, but rather by who gets knocked out or thrown to the ground first and who retreats the least.
The Kyokushin practicioner was eating all the hits and moving forward without a single retreat, so at that point he was winning.
Also you lose points when you get out of the place
"By any measure" not if you're measuring damage, which is what they measure..
@@afroduck6991 Wrong. They measure aggression, hits landed, where they land, lots of stuff. If one person is making leg kick after leg kick and the other one does nothing they're winning. How do you measure damage anyway? Silly comment.
@@Motownisyourtown no they don't you're not familiar with how kyokushin knockdown is judged, stop pretending to be.
I really enjoy your videos, keep up! You motivate me to do a martial art.
Thank you I really appreciate it, hope your training goes well👊
Muay Thai Keyboard Warriors: Karate vs Muay Thai???? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT-
I've been waiting for this!
karate i saw the Philippines flag the in his right arms i saw karate uniforms there is a flag Philippines you can see 4:39
always the same story with kyokushin fighters. Invincible tanks until they get the slightest hit to the face and crumple. What is the point on having a style that trains for everything except the most high percentage attack...
always the same story with people in his comments, arguing about martial arts effectiveness
I think karate in general is best used as a long rage ish kinda martial art. That's how you see the best Karate based MMA fighters (Wonderboy, Machida) find success. You can often hear them harking on their counterattack fight style, wide stance etc.
It's funny too, because most kyokushin guys(our gym included) don't fight like that since headshots are disallowed.
@@MuddyAxolotl imagine people discussing martial arts under a martial arts video, what a crazy world we live in!
@@psynyder I mean, out of all the karate styles, kyokushin is the most close-quarter brawler one. People literally refer to them as fighting in a phone booth, I find them very different to shotokan or other point-karate styles which are more blitz and counter-attack oriented.
The biggest value kyokushin has as a martial art imo is that it teaches people to punch without gloves, which is heavily underrated. Hands are really fragile, and many strikers don't realize that without gloves their metacarpals will very likely shatter on impact against a human skull. Still tho, the negative side is that it gives really bad habits of not protecting your face (the most important!)
To be fair you can't really train for head injuries, there is no way to condition your brain for a concussion
It was a karate ruleset and the muay thai guy won
He won by braking the rules, to be fair.
@@honsuaman8743 with to hits to the face 💀
@@Oscar.358Which is not legal.
Your jawline looks well conditioned.
lmfao xd
Why do you look AI generated
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The fight is held under kyokushin rules ie bare knuckles and keyboard warriors need to understand that punching with bare knucles on face which cannot be conditioned can deal searious damage cuz it acts as point force and where as kicks and punches with gloves acts as shear force plus hitting hand combos is much easier than landing kicks on the face!!
Correct!
i mean yeah even a weak guy can knock you when it hit right. But both martial art trained their body to become steel and they are both for damage. Getting hit in the face is like get hit in the balls.
If this is in karate rules your allowed to kick in the face.
No. Bare knuckle is actually safer in the long run, as fighters can’t punch with 100% power, and there is less mass behind the punch, so harder to knockout someone and damage their brain. The knuckle is the smaller bone than almost all bones in the face. It will break much easier and sooner than any face bone. Also the face can be conditioned just like any other bone in the body.
@@zoroverse8358 💀💀, I reckon you've never been to Bare Knuckle fighting before.
even if i am practicing muay thai but this karate fighter is absolutely OP
cuz muay thai guy didnt elbow or knee, it would look way different otherwise
Guy had lots of cloths on too u may seen this as nothing but bro they thick as fuck
@@PureimaginationIV A karate gi doesn't cushion hits (it's lighter than a judo gui). Even more when it's some powerful mua thai kicks.
@@ZigzagEnd yes the Muay Thai guy would have his face split open cause Kyokushin condition their knuckles to hit much harder Muay Thai don't do that they use gloves
I watched this fight several times...Finally MT guy will win the fight...