Week 251 - Titanic Clash Looms In Pacific - WW2 - June 17, 1944

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  • Japanese and American navies are heading for a showdown in the Philippine Sea, even as American forces land on Saipan in the Marianas in force. The Japanese have Changsha under siege in China, the Allies advance in both Normandy and Italy, the Soviets advance in Finland, and the massive Soviet summer operation is coming together and will begin in a matter of days.
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ความคิดเห็น • 798

  • @WorldWarTwo
    @WorldWarTwo  ปีที่แล้ว +385

    How many hours into D-Day has everyone gotten so far?

    • @Dreadhead02productions
      @Dreadhead02productions ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Half way through hour 13 so far... it's amazing, but it's a lot 😅

    • @alexamerling79
      @alexamerling79 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I got through most of it aside from parts 12-15. Need to go back and catch up on those

    • @blue-shell3102
      @blue-shell3102 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Started Hour 7 yesterday

    • @Szpielmann
      @Szpielmann ปีที่แล้ว +9

      17!

    • @marijn211
      @marijn211 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Just finished the series

  • @theholyone6
    @theholyone6 ปีที่แล้ว +1067

    Don't think the axis will win the war lads.

    • @Valdagast
      @Valdagast ปีที่แล้ว

      Just wait for Steiner's attack. It will fix everything.

    • @thanos_6.0
      @thanos_6.0 ปีที่แล้ว +158

      Nah. They'll turn it around for sure.

    • @theholyone6
      @theholyone6 ปีที่แล้ว +246

      @@thanos_6.0 something to do with that Steiner fella?

    • @robertjarman3703
      @robertjarman3703 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      @@theholyone6 Das was ein befehl!

    • @joshfish2
      @joshfish2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      ​@@theholyone6no, FEGELEIN, FEGELEIN, FEGELEIN!

  • @ashlati4616
    @ashlati4616 ปีที่แล้ว +497

    Imagine learning your enemy has launched the largest armada the world has ever known against you, and then learning a week later that they did the same thing again, this time on the other side of the world with an entirely different armada

    • @korbell1089
      @korbell1089 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      The US was an economic and industrial powerhouse but at the beginning of the war, I don't believe even we realized what we could do! I always like to point out that our industrial base was so great that we even built barges who sole purpose was to be towed around the Pacific making ice cream for the fleets. How do you fight against something like that?😅😅

    • @cpj93070
      @cpj93070 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      You do know 75% of the Normandy naval fleet was British right? not American?

    • @tommy-er6hh
      @tommy-er6hh ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@cpj93070 And what % of the British Fleet at Normandy was American built Victory ships or Liberty ships that were lend lease?

    • @ashlati4616
      @ashlati4616 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      @@cpj93070 I believe both British and American were included in the phrase "your enemy"

    • @gekkehobbykoe
      @gekkehobbykoe ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@korbell1089 common knowledge thanks to the fat electrician

  • @richln9682
    @richln9682 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    "None so blind as he who will nazi." Nice one, Indy.

  • @Dustz92
    @Dustz92 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Is next week the biggest of the war? Bagration, Finland, Saipan, Philippine Sea, Ichi Go, Burma, Italy, Normandy...

  • @nicholasconder4703
    @nicholasconder4703 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    For those who are interested in some linguistic trivia, in Japanese Chichijima means "Father Island" (chichi=father, jima=island) and Hahajima means "Mother Island" (haha=mother). However, and perhaps unfortunately, Iwo Jima means "Sulphur Island", so no familial meaning. Although, some people might suggest this represents the mother-in-law.

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The Japanese commander on Chichijima was a cannibal, and so were a number of his officers. In fact, they roasted on unfortunate American and ate him. President George Bush was shot down right next to Chichijima in his dive bomber and was fortunately picked up by an American submarine and taken to safety.

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why mother in law?

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@Ramzi1944 Sulphur, which stinks and is noxious.

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@recoil53Makes a lot of sense

    • @alejandrovargas7592
      @alejandrovargas7592 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ... the mother-in-law... 👀😯😲😮😅😂🤣

  • @oneofmanyjames-es1643
    @oneofmanyjames-es1643 ปีที่แล้ว +384

    On June 16th 1944 the great French historian Marc Bloch (whom the Free French may have wanted as their post-war Minister of Education) was executed by the retreating Germans. He had fought in WW1 - where he received the Chevalier de Légion d'honneur - and joined the resistance movement in the winter of 1942/3. Using his status as a medievalist to travel across France under the guise of archival research, he helped to reorganise the resistance groups and edited the underground newspaper Cahiers Politique. On 8 March 1944 he was arrested in Lyon by Vichy milice, handed over to the Gestapo, and tortured for weeks. On 16 June he and 25 other prisoners in Lyon were taken to the woods by the Gestapo and executed. According to the one survivor of those executions, Bloch comforted a teenage resistance member before shouting “Vive la France!”, at which point he was murdered.

    • @merdiolu
      @merdiolu ปีที่แล้ว +42

      He wrote "Strange Defeat" , one of best books explaining the conditions of 1940 France

    • @tylerfoss3346
      @tylerfoss3346 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Rest in peace, heroes.
      Rest in peace, Marc Bloch.

    • @adrianreid2055
      @adrianreid2055 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thank you so much

    • @weltvonalex
      @weltvonalex ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timmyp34 why do you feel the urge to defend the nazi murders?

    • @ahorsewithnoname773
      @ahorsewithnoname773 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timmyp34 It was cold-blooded murder regardless of whether the outcome was expected.
      Fortunately the atrocity did absolutely nothing to stave off total Axis defeat.

  • @MrSharky334
    @MrSharky334 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    “Hitler thinks these flying bombs will win the war”
    “10 are launched, 4 make it across the channel. One lands in London, killing 6.”
    Wow guys, the tide’s turning now! This destruction will surely shake the allies to their core!

  • @Lematth88
    @Lematth88 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The return of pre-posting the Thursday !

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I recently went back and watched the fall of France episodes from 1940. The war has come so far

  • @alexhussinger3550
    @alexhussinger3550 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    . . . Right, the Battle of the Marianas was also in June 1944. This has got to be the single most eventful month of the entire war, with Major action on basically every front. D-Day landings, breaking the line at Monte Cassino and the fall of Rome, Bagration about to launch, Japan's advances in China, Japan losing in Burma, and the largest carrier battle in history about to take place in the Central Pacific.

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree

    • @pocketmarcy6990
      @pocketmarcy6990 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This month basically spells that there is no chance of the Axis winning the war, now it’s just a question of how much longer until they surrender

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pocketmarcy6990 Bollocks, they will turn this around I'm sure of it >:(

  • @dainironfoot5198
    @dainironfoot5198 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    I'm really hoping for a proper special for Operation Bagration soon. In terms of raw scale it's easily on par with D-Day, but I'm really worried that after the D-Day it might get overshadowed and not receive the attention it really needs

    • @Ianassa91
      @Ianassa91 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      You are not the only one with such concerns :) D-day special truly was the best of it's kind ever produced, no question about that, but the soviet offensive was arguably just as defining for eastern Europe (well at least for Finland these weeks are *the decisive* moments of the fate of the nation), and they seems to be left comparatively as a sidenote. It is a bit of a pity but of course there is only so much a small team can cover at once.

    • @jrus690
      @jrus690 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am sure that Bagration will get a special, but because it is the Soviets and we do not know as much about their day to day operation it might get 1 good solid episode. D-Day was very important politically as we had spent 3 years agreeing with the Soviets that there needed to be a solid second front and for a while there it was seen as being strategically necessary, particularly June 1941 to February 1943. Once the Soviets beat the Germans at Kursk and began their summer advance they realized that the second front not necessary for their interests and we just going to have a meet up point; this is what the Tehran conference was for.

  • @Dustz92
    @Dustz92 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    This would be a good time to watch the third episode of Band of Brothers, "Carentan", covering the fighting in Carentan this week by the 101st.

    • @norwegiantactician
      @norwegiantactician ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "Remember boys. Give me three days and three nights of hard fighting, and you'll be relieved!" - George Luz in Band of Brothers

    • @kemarisite
      @kemarisite ปีที่แล้ว +7

      "Hello, 2nd Armored."

    • @cpj93070
      @cpj93070 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@norwegiantactician General Taylor actually 😂😂

    • @joeywheelerii9136
      @joeywheelerii9136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Fire your Weapon Blithe!!!"

    • @norwegiantactician
      @norwegiantactician ปีที่แล้ว

      Now I know who he was imitating. Much appreciated!

  • @elmonuutinen2435
    @elmonuutinen2435 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    14:08 Finnish pilot, Captain Hans Wind scores 27 aerial victories against Soviet planes between 13.6. and 27.6.1944. Seriously wounded fighting some 30 enemy aircraft in late July, he still manages to land his plane and survives the war.

  • @andrewtaylor940
    @andrewtaylor940 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Operation Forager, the invasion of the Marianas was one of the most remarkable feats of the war. It's not just that the US still had the resources to send out another invasion fleet, at the same time as Normandy, but on the other side of the world. It's that they were able to project and supply this force over such a distance. D-Day was sending troops and supplies across 100 miles of the English Channel. With easy resupply. Supply ships could make a run back to port almost daily if needed. Saipan was across 3000 miles of open ocean. All the food, fuel and supplies for the duration of the operation had to be carried with them from day 1. This was an astonishing demonstration of sea list capabilities. And the Japanese were completely unprepared for the scale of what they faced. Forager also marks a major turning point for the history of the US Military. With Holland Smith, for the first time in history a US Marine General was in overall command of large units of the US Army. This was unheard of in the Halls of the US Military High Command up until that moment. The lowly Marines could not and did not give orders to the Army. Until suddenly they did. This would lead to some long time institutional bad blood in a weeks time.
    June 16, 1944 was the day that the Japanese High Command realized that they had lost the war. That they no longer had a Military Win State. Everything going forward was just them fighting to buy time. To remain in power just 1 more day, in the ever diminishing hope they they could find some negotiated peace settlement that left them in control of Japan. Every life lost after June 16, 1944 was spent solely to keep a small group of individuals in power over their own people. They knew they had lost the moment the US landings succeeded. They knew Japan would now be under direct attack the moment Aslito Field came under US control. From this day forward the millions of lives lost was in service solely to the ego and power of 6 vain stupid men.

    • @Wayne.J
      @Wayne.J ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No one knew what unconditional surrender meant apart from surrendering without a fight. Did the Emperor stay?, did they keep their ships and army in a "defence force". What were Allies form of occupation and governance. Was every citizen without rights as their country may or may not exist?
      The Allies hadn't stipulated what it was to meant to be even at this point in the war. No other time in history was this outcome used. It was a new term and not even Allied could define it. All sides knew they had to basically capture their capital but all sides knew this might not be enough too with all the fanatical supporters of each country in that era.

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Wayne.J Personally, I think they should have hung the Emperor as a war criminal at the end of the war. But that's just me.

    • @Wayne.J
      @Wayne.J ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ToddSauve
      That's what Aussies wanted and still pushing for that into that last week of the war, there was still debate over that between the rest of the allies. Americans and British just wanted the conflict over with

  • @paulhan1615
    @paulhan1615 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    1944-The year of Battles... if only Conrad von Holtzendorff was here.

    • @gobstomperbow3517
      @gobstomperbow3517 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hes Adolfs personal assistant now. Cant you tell with his dogged orders to continue with willpower alone.

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว

      What a throwback

    • @736693
      @736693 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠Operation Konrad was the German attempt(s) to relieve Budapest, Hungary throughout January 1945.

  • @stevestoll3124
    @stevestoll3124 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    My grandfather was part of the Service force Pacific fleet. His Main MOS was baker, and secondary was 20mm AA Gunner. June of 1944 he was in the Navy for two and a half years when they discovered he was 17.

  • @DMS-pq8
    @DMS-pq8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Carriers got all the glory but it was the subs that really were essential to victory in the Pacific, Not just their role in sinking ships but their ability to scout and give warning of Japanese fleet movements really gave the USA a huge advantage

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If the naval department of ordinance wasn't so insistent that their torpedoes worked, American subs would have just wrecked Japanese logistics.
      By the time they got good torpedoes, the Japanese had far shorter shipping lines.

    • @DMS-pq8
      @DMS-pq8 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@recoil53 Yeah better torpedoes might have ended the war a year earlier

    • @jrus690
      @jrus690 ปีที่แล้ว

      Once the USA put the steel ring around Japan it was like a noose; you do not have to do anything anymore, it might take a while but you just wait for them to grab the pen.

  • @panqueque445
    @panqueque445 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    After seeing how in depth the d day coverage was, it makes me realize that every little thing covered in these weekly episodes could also likely spawn similar coverage. Maps, photos, remarks from the people involved at the time. It really makes you think about just how complicated running a war is.

  • @yeswellfrombrittany6907
    @yeswellfrombrittany6907 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    On the 10th June 1944, SS soldiers (1st batalion of the 4th Panzergrenadier regiment "Der Furher" from 2nd SS armored division "Das Reich") destroyed the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, slaughtering 643 civilians on their way to Normandy. I"m confident that will be for a WAH episode coming soon. Thank you so much team for your fantastic work.

  • @jonathanmcalroy8640
    @jonathanmcalroy8640 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    With the naval forces the Japanese have gathered, the US Navy is about to get a serious schlacking around the Mariana's! I've never been more sure of anything in my life!

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      The beginning of the great Japanese counteroffensive! They'll be in San Francisco by Christmas!!!!!

    • @Yamato-tp2kf
      @Yamato-tp2kf ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I feel that is going to be a turkey shoot!!!

    • @Skelli2
      @Skelli2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Do you hear that Galloping? A Ghost is on the warpath and it thirsts for revenge

    • @Yamato-tp2kf
      @Yamato-tp2kf ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Skelli2 Yes... The Grey Ghost CV-6 is going to hit hard!!!

    • @Skelli2
      @Skelli2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Yamato-tp2kf highly recommend Animarchy's 4-part series on Big E to anyone who wants to get into the nitty gritty of the Naval side of the Pacific War :)

  • @chrisd8866
    @chrisd8866 ปีที่แล้ว +244

    With the beginning of the bombing campaign on England by the V-1 flying bombs I can relate a family story about it:
    My grandmother grew up in the Norman city of Eu, very close to the border with the Somme. The area is littered with V-1 launch sites, several of which have been restored and can be visited today.
    Her father ran a steel construction company that was often requisitioned by the German army and he would be called to the local Kommandantur to request ration-coupons to order more steel and receive new orders from them.
    He pretended he didn't speak any german when in fact he could speak it fluently, having perfected it during his military service when he did the occupation of germany after WW1, and he acted like a perfectly affable business owner so the german officers would relax and speak openly in his presence and not care about him too much when he was there.
    Eventually, after months of increasing orders from the germans for steel elements and a lot of careless talk from them about a "secret weapon" that would change the course of the war, on what was perhaps the night of the 12th of June 1944 a horrible roar woke my grandmother up and her father told his wife and daughter "that's it, it's their secret weapon." Then they heard the germans cheer in their barracks.
    In the two months that followed, the launches were incessant and always terrified my grandma, as they soon found out that if the gyrocompass of the V-1s fails, they would fly in a circle which would inevitably end when the fuel ran out. The strange hum of the V-1 would stop suddenly, and for the next few seconds they would pray the bomb didn't fall on them.
    Bombing raids on the launch sites from the Allies intensified as well, the germans evacuated the sites in August as the allies grew closer and her city would finally be liberated the 1st of September by Canadian troops.

    • @ThePizzaGoblin
      @ThePizzaGoblin ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Whoah. Thanks for sharing that!

    • @AndrewBlacker-wr2ve
      @AndrewBlacker-wr2ve ปีที่แล้ว

      Thumbsdown
      Anything more than one paragraph is...
      You must love to hear yourself talk.

    • @ThePizzaGoblin
      @ThePizzaGoblin ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve wtf is your problem lmfao. What are you, 12?
      Are you bad at reading, so you get mad when people prove they're better at it than you?
      Nobody cares about your opinion. Go away. If you don't want to read something more than a paragraph, that's your malfunction.

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@AndrewBlacker-wr2ve You must have a short attention span and not like to learn much. 🤷‍♂🤨🙄

    • @AndrewBlacker-wr2ve
      @AndrewBlacker-wr2ve ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToddSauve Oh!
      You caught me!
      You outed me!
      Please list your CV credentials so I can know if you're educated and qualified to speak.
      If not, don't reply.

  • @JoonasP42
    @JoonasP42 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Finns actually managed to halt part of the soviet attack at VT-line at the battle of Siiranmäki 13.6-17.6.1944. But that did not save the finnish defensive line because the soviets simultaneously broke through at Kuuterselkä and finnish counterattack failed to take back the defensive positions.

    • @mikhailiagacesa3406
      @mikhailiagacesa3406 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EdinProfa Non sequitur.

    • @64ankka
      @64ankka ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@EdinProfa Not sure what you're referring to, but Finland maintained a democratic system of government throughout the Second World War. The country was led by the parliament elected by the people.

    • @JoonasP42
      @JoonasP42 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@EdinProfaReally wrong saying that Finland was fascist when in 1939 election the Patriotic People's Movement (Which is basicly the blackshirts of Finland) only got eight seats and they lost six parliament seats to previous election. Finnish goverment was Social democrat (85 seats) , Central (56 seats) and National coalition (25), Swedish people's party of Finland (18), National Progressive Party (6) and the fascist (8). Total 200 seats in Finnish parliament. So the fascist were the second smallest party and also not in the goverment. Because of the wars (Winter war, Continuation war and the Lapland war) there was no elections between 1939-1945. June 1944 the finnish goverment was between Centre Party, National Coalition Party, National Progressive Party, Social Democrat Party and Swedish People's Party of Finland. So the finnish fascist were in the opposition with no power to rule at all. Get the facts right.

  • @macmedic892
    @macmedic892 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This’ll all be over by Christmas.

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    With the start of the Battle of Saipan on June 15 1944, this may be a good week to watch the rather historically inaccurate 2002 John Woo film, *Windtalkers* , in which the Battle of Saipan is portrayed. It tells the story of the Navajo code talkers and the efforts by their fellow Marines to protect them and the code from enemy capture.

    • @Warszawski_Modernizm
      @Warszawski_Modernizm ปีที่แล้ว +3

      How many inaccuracies are there in Windtalkers?

    • @stc3145
      @stc3145 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Warszawski_Modernizm Zero. It has Nicolas Cage. Everything is 100% perfect as all things should be.

    • @ladyzapzap9514
      @ladyzapzap9514 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was a good movie despite the historical inaccuracies.

    • @alejandrovargas7592
      @alejandrovargas7592 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do wish that it had been a better movie, but I'm very glad that those Code talkers got some more public recognition for the vital roles that they played.

  • @robertjarman3703
    @robertjarman3703 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    It might be interesting to note that this phase of the War in Western Europe actually had a higher rate of casualties than in the First World War. August 4 1914 to November 11 1918 is 1560 days. From June 6 1944 to May 8 1945 is 336 days. The Entente had 2,041,000 KIA on that front in that time period, the Allies incurred between 164,590 and 195,576 KIA, which I will average out to be 180,083. The Entente had 16 million soldiers, the Allies had 5,412,219 who ever served.
    Putting that KIA ratio per day per million soldiers, that means that the Allies took 99 KIA per day per million soldiers, the Entente took 82 KIA per day per million soldiers. Had the front lasted as long as in WW1, and had the same number of soldiers, at that rate, you would be looking at 2,471,040 KIA.

    • @tomhenry897
      @tomhenry897 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does this include the Soviets?
      If so then lopsided

    • @jamesthomas4841
      @jamesthomas4841 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@tomhenry897
      Obviously not

    • @maemorri
      @maemorri ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I don't there's justification to adjust the ratio of kills to the number of soldiers serving (the soldiers serving might disagree). Casualties per day is more significant, especially since total populations had increased between 1918 and 1944. The mobilization numbers and percentages were just much lower (except maybe in the US).

    • @ramonzzzz
      @ramonzzzz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Another interesting observation about the casualties the Allies suffered in liberating western Europe, somewhere between 750,000 and 800,000 men, is that it roughly equals the casualties the Soviets suffered in just April and the first third of May 1945.

    • @jamesthomas4841
      @jamesthomas4841 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Ramon Morales
      The blood price Stalin made his army pay for capturing Berlin. The Americans were quite happy to let the Red Army take Berlin. It saved American lives. I have no doubt that if the Western allies had taken Berlin it would have been a lot less bloody; probably more Germans would have been willing to surrender to the Americans and British than was the case with the Soviets.

  • @merdiolu
    @merdiolu ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Allies scored two more victories on Normandy front on 8-9 June on sea off Normandy and on 10th June 1944 over Normandy airspace towards a valuable ground target.
    Naval Battle of Ushant on 9th June 1944 where a Royal Navy destroyer flotilla engaged a German destroyer flotilla trying to attack on Allied beachead and sank two German destroyers without suffering any loss themselves. On 6 June 1944, the day of the first landings in Normandy, the remnants of the German 8th destroyer flotilla, consisting of the Type 36A Z24 and Z32, and the ZH1 (formerly the Dutch destroyer Gerard Callenburgh) were ordered by Vizeadmiral Theodor Krancke to sail from the Gironde estuary to Brest. The order was intercepted by the British which detailed Canadian Bristol Beaufighter aircraft from RAF Coastal Command to attack the German ships as they sailed through the Bay of Biscay. In the ensuing raid, the destroyer Z32 was slightly damaged. The German ships made port at Brest, where Z24 and Z32 had their anti-aircraft armament increased. They then put to sea again on 8 June in company with the Flottentorpedoboot 1939-class torpedo boat T24, the sole survivor of the 4th torpedo boat flotilla, bound for Cherbourg under the command of Theodor von Bechtolsheim, where they would reinforce German positions.
    The Allied forces learned of the German intentions through Ultra intercepts, and detailed the 10th Destroyer Flotilla to intercept the German ships as they sailed up the English Channel. The 10th Destroyer Flotilla was at this time under the overall command of Captain Basil Jones, who had his flag aboard the Tribal-class destroyer HMS Tartar. With him were HMS Ashanti, HMS Eskimo and HMS Javelin, the Canadian destroyers HMCS Haida and HMCS Huron, and the Polish vessels ORP Piorun and ORP Błyskawica. Jones decided to split his flotilla in two; the 19th Division consisted of the HMS Eskimo, HMS Javelin, HMS Piorun and Błyskawica, the 20th Division consisted of HMS Tartar, HMS Ashanti, HMCS Huron and HMCS Haida.
    The British flotilla were moving westward down the Channel when the German ships were detected by radar just after 01:00 on 9 June. Jones turned his force to meet the Germans, who were by now 30 miles east-northeast of the Ile de Batz. The two flotillas clashed intermittently thereafter, exchanging gunfire and salvoes of torpedoes. HMS Tartar was struck several times, but was able to put out fires and restore her speed. ZH1 was then engaged by both HMS Tartar and HMS Ashanti, with HMS Ashanti launching two torpedoes at point-blank range. One struck German destroyer ZH1, blowing off her bows. With the ship crippled, her captain, Klaus Barckow gave the order to abandon ship, then scuttled her with depth charges at 02:40. Barckow was among the 39 killed. Twenty-eight managed to reach France, the remaining 140 were picked up and captured by the British.
    HMCS Haida and HMCS Huron had meanwhile been pursuing retreating German vessels Z24 and T24 until the German ships ran into a British minefield. The Canadians attempted to detour around it, but eventually lost the Germans. Z24 and T24 regrouped, with the intention of returning to engage the British, but finding they were not being followed, they left the area. HMCS Haida and HMCS Huron returned to the scene and came across Bechtolsheim's destroyer Z32, which had received a heavy pounding from gunfire of Canadian destroyers and lost contact with the rest of the Germans. There was some confusion over establishing each other's identity, but when the Canadians discovered she was a German ship they reopened fire. Bechtolsheim fled at high speed, but Z32, having sustained heavy damage, was driven ashore on the Ile de Batz, and then finished off by a squadron of RAF Coastal Command Bristol Beaufighter torpedo bomber aircraft the next day.

    • @danghostman2814
      @danghostman2814 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You always know it's going to be a wild time when the report reads "the Tribal Destroyers closed in" or "Warspite was there".

  • @oOkenzoOo
    @oOkenzoOo ปีที่แล้ว +56

    On June 17 1944, happened the French landing on the island of Elba (Operation Brassard) with the assistance of the British navy and the American air force.
    The objectives of the invasion were to prevent the Germans from using the island as an outpost and to allow Allied guns to block traffic on the Piombino Channel, a strait between the island of Elba and Tuscany.
    On June 12 the German commander in Italy, Feldmarschall Kesselring, was informed that "the island of Elba must be defended to the last man and the last cartridge". On June 14 German reinforcements from Pianosa began to arrive on the island.
    The commander of naval forces for the operation was Rear Admiral Thomas Hope Troubridge of the Royal Navy. He was in command of Force N, which would be responsible for landing the Assault Division. The planned naval force for the invasion of the island was to comprise three groups:
    - Group 1 consisted of torpedo boats and light torpedo boats. They were to operate diversions and the landing of French commandos on the north shore of the island. Their target was to be the cannon batteries there.
    - Group 2 consisted of 5 LCI and 8 light craft each towing an LCA. Their goal was four beaches on the south coast.
    - Group 3 comprised the bulk of the force, in 9 LCI, 4 LST, 3 motorboat to tow the LCS. The main landings were to take place at two beaches named Kodak Amber and Kodak Green at 4 am. They would be followed at 04:30 by another 28 LCIs and, after dawn, by 40 LCTs, carrying the heaviest equipment.
    On June 16 1944 at 11 am, the Commandos of Africa, aboard LCI and LCT, set sail for their objective, the island of Elba. After a landing very early in the morning of June 17 1944, the island was quickly conquered and the German troops requested authorization to evacuate on June 19, 1944.
    The German garrison was attacked and defeated by the French troops of General de Lattre de Tassigny coming from Bastia, comprising almost all of the personnel of the 9th Colonial Infantry Division. The Senegalese skirmishers of the 13th and 4th RTS, the Moroccan Goumiers of the 2nd GTM, the paratroopers of the Shock battalion and a group of Commandos of Africa distinguished themselves there. The British lost 38 dead and 9 wounded and the French 252 dead and 635 wounded. The Germans suffered around 500 dead and 2000 prisoners.

    • @cpj93070
      @cpj93070 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Napoleon would have been so proud. 😂😂

    • @amerigo88
      @amerigo88 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Chris When the Allies arrived, they realized Napoleon had already escaped. Thus began World War II's "Hundred Days."
      On a serious note, it is strange that the Germans requested authorization to retreat on June 19 when the anniversary of the Battle of Waterloo is June 18 - The end of the actual "Hundred Days."

    • @oligultonn
      @oligultonn 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also on June 17th the Republic of Iceland was established, my home country 🇮🇸

  • @marvnimmo9743
    @marvnimmo9743 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It took me 5 days to watch the 24 hours of D-day. :) I've been a fan since the WWI channel. I can't praise the quality, research and effort enough. Thank you for all the knowledge and entertainment over the years. :)

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm kind of afraid to tackle them.

    • @TrickiVicBB71
      @TrickiVicBB71 ปีที่แล้ว

      I haven't even watched cause I am laughing so far behind on my Watch Later vids.
      Bo Time, Mighty Jingles, Brick Immortar, J.J. McCullough to name a few

  • @klausgerken1905
    @klausgerken1905 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My Grandfather was sunk his second time sometimes around mid-June 44. He was stationed in Le Havre as CO of a Torpedo Boat. As no German Ships were allowed to try to cross the channel anyway, they were ordered to join the defense of the city. The way he told it, his men argued that none of them hold a rifle since basic training, and none of them would survive anyway. So he pulled some strings and was ordered to bring some important papers back to Germany. They tried to stick close to the shore, but drew attation from both Allied ships and German costal guns. He was found lying on some Belgian beach. He never said anything about the other guys from that boat.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for sharing this Klaus!

  • @pax6833
    @pax6833 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    We're really at the beginning of the end for the Axis now. The allies are off the beaches and the Germans have no way to push them back. One of the museums in the area I visited had a map that showed where the Allies had generally planned their Phase II objective. The expected to be at Paris and Nantes at D+90. Will be interesting to see where they actually are in 3 months.

    • @merdiolu
      @merdiolu ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They will be way ahead of Paris by D+90 , in Belgium and Rhineland

    • @Raskolnikov70
      @Raskolnikov70 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@merdiolu Unfortunately their progress kinda slows down after that.....

    • @merdiolu
      @merdiolu ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Raskolnikov70 Well all good things have an end. You can not expect everything going in your way in war.

    • @Yamato-tp2kf
      @Yamato-tp2kf ปีที่แล้ว

      @@merdiolu And that is thanks to the French resistance in Paris that happen!

    • @merdiolu
      @merdiolu ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Yamato-tp2kf French Resistance in Paris initiated a revolt yes but it is quick Allied breakthrough from Normandy and advance to Seine weeks even months ahead of schedule that prevented the fate of Warshaw in 1944 befell on Paris.

  • @_ArsNova
    @_ArsNova ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Honestly the battles over the Philippines & Leyte Gulf (spoilers) are the ones I've looked forward to more than any other. More even than Barbarossa, Pearl Harbor, or Overlord.

    • @williamchamberlain2263
      @williamchamberlain2263 ปีที่แล้ว

      Spoilers!

    • @Zen-sx5io
      @Zen-sx5io ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why?

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Zen-sx5io
      Philippine Sea was the battle that effectively ended the IJN.
      Leyte Gulf, on the other hand, is rather overrated in terms of its overall importance.

    • @_ArsNova
      @_ArsNova ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Zen-sx5io Largest naval battle in history, very interesting ground campaign as well.

    • @Yamato-tp2kf
      @Yamato-tp2kf ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@_ArsNova We have to wait for October...

  • @JLAvey
    @JLAvey ปีที่แล้ว +16

    People always talk about Attu, overlooking the fact that Guam's been an American territory since 1898, and it's been occupied since December '41.

    • @SocratesAth
      @SocratesAth ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Alaska (including Attu) was an incorporated territory, Guam was unincorporated. I'm not sure what the difference is, but that's where the story of Attu being the only occupied US territory comes from.
      By the way, if we count Guam, we should count the Philippines as well.

    • @lembitmoislane.
      @lembitmoislane. ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@SocratesAth I think the difference here between the two was that the Philippines by 1942 was a country in development, with autonomy, their own military, and a promise by the Americans in a few years to let them be a sovereign country. Guam on the other hand was primarily a naval base that is still to this day under American control.

    • @JLAvey
      @JLAvey ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We certainly do owe it to the Filipinos to help liberate them no matter what their political situation. The Philippines had a unique status, for lack of better terms. They're kind of like an associated state, only not fully independent. It's kind of hard for me to sum it up in a few words.
      As for Alaska, you could just say that it was the only time since 1814 (unless you ask the Southerners) that land that is currently part of a State was invaded.

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SocratesAth Kiska was also occupied but liberated on August 16, 1943 by Canadian, American and First Special Service Forces troops--the "Devil's Brigade." I know because my uncle Joe was there with the Canadian Rocky Mountain Rangers regiment. He hated the place, ha, ha!

    • @TrickiVicBB71
      @TrickiVicBB71 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@BleedingUranium nice write up. Makes you go, "what if...?" sometimes and see how it affects the future.
      If The Philippines weren't handed or stabbed in the back by USA in 1898 how different would the country look like today? How would they handle fighting Imperial Japan in 30s and 40s?

  • @cheneymoss6402
    @cheneymoss6402 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    As always enjoying the episodes. This starts into an area I am familiar with. When I was in the Marines in the early 90s, I was stationed on Guam for 19 months and also went to Tinian a couple times for training (we were up on the old WWII air strips on the North of the Island, were we could see the SW part of Sipan)

  • @okoyeeric7149
    @okoyeeric7149 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Interesting bit about the Marianas campaign, when MacArthur invaded biak, the Japanese devised operation KON to counter him. This operation contained BBs yamato and Musashi, but before they could go into operation at biak, the attacks on the Marianas started and the force had to abandon the biak scheme and head towards the central pacific. Its fairly certain they would thave thrown MacArthur off biak if they had gone ahead.

    • @recoil53
      @recoil53 ปีที่แล้ว

      But then the rest of the US fleet would have been available too.

  • @ToddSauve
    @ToddSauve ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I think Lee Marvin's experiences in WW2 with the 4th Marine Division had a profoundly terrible effect on him. He invaded around 20 different islands in the Marshalls as a scout sniper that they would insert with a small number of other marines just before daybreak. He would then move inland, making note of every enemy emplacement and bunker that they could find. Sometimes they had to kill Japanese soldiers to preserve their covert presence. One of the marines he served with was what would today be called a psychopath. This evil doer murdered and gutted a pregnant native woman on one of the Marshall Islands. The Marines and infantry in every country seems to attract this sort of man. I can only hope he was executed for his crime but I don't know. I only found out about this incident while hearing an interview with his biographer who called the book "Point Blank."
    In June 1944 the US 4th Marines invaded Saipan. Marvin was shot in the buttocks by a Japanese machine gun, and another round hit him in the foot. He was hospitalized in Guadalcanal for just over a year and was then discharged because he couldn't carry the standard Marine Corps gear due to the pain of it rubbing against his lower back in the sciatica nerve area where he had been shot. Of the around 250 men he landed on Saipan with, only 5 survived the war, including Marvin himself.
    On returning to the US he was riding on a bus one day in the summer of 1945 when a middle aged woman gave him an earful because there he was, young and fit, and not in uniform somewhere fighting for his country. Marvin said in the magazine interview he was sorely tempted to just drop his pants and underwear and show her right where he had been wounded. He was a hardened veteran of the WW2 Marine Corps and he was only 21. How does any 21 year old cope with the terrible PTSD that being in a vicious war, and having to kill other human beings who were also just young men, bring on you? So Marvin apparently had a drinking problem, no doubt simply from trying to forget the hell on earth he had been through.
    Lee Marvin was also a pacifist after the war. Towards the end of his life he did some advertising work for the Marines, so he may have changed his mind about it. He also insisted that any violence like gun fights in his movies be portrayed accurately so people could see just how loud and horrible it was. 🤷‍♂😥😯

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for sharing

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ramzi1944 You are welcome! 😉

    • @user-hg1qy9yy3d
      @user-hg1qy9yy3d 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      OK as a retired US Marine I'm dubious about the anecdotes mentioned here. First of all , I doubt that Marvin participated in 20 landings. 4th Mar Div didn't make that many landings (in fact no single division of the USMC did). He was assigned to I Co 3/24 and 3/24's first combat action was at Kwajalein. 3/24 didn't even move overseas until January. Neither his unit, nor Marvin had the time to "invade" about 20 islands.I also don't buy the story of him observing a Marine "gutting a pregnant native woman and then skinning her." Then you make this statement; "The Marines and infantry in every country seems to attract this sort of man" which demonstrates an opinion not based on any data. In short, Lee Marvin served the Marine Corps and his country honorable and skillfully. He was well respected by his fellow Marines. He is buried with his brother Marines in Arlington cemetery. There is no need to embellish his legacy.

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@user-hg1qy9yy3d It does not matter if you approve of or believe the facts I collected to the best of my ability. Many obituaries and magazine articles state Marvin was involved in landing on about 20 different islands as a scout-sniper in the Marshalls during that campaign. Marvin's official biographer puts the number at 21, (with Saipan in the Marianas being the last). I would guess that some were fairly small and did not take long to conquer but that is what the marine records state.
      From Encyclopedia Britannica: "The Marshalls are composed of more than 1,200 islands and islets ..." Not merely Kwajalein and Enewatok. In fact, Lee Marvin drew a picture of combat he was involved with on Parry Island in the Enewatok atoll of the Marshalls one night in February 1944 and sent it home.
      The account of a fellow marine gutting a pregnant native woman comes from Marvin's official biographer Dwayne Epstein, who wrote "Point Blank." Yes, Marvin observed this atrocity, spoke of it not infrequently as an example of the brutality of war, and Epstein related the story in an interview on WW2TV, a TH-cam channel that is easily accessible.
      You may personally have been an honourable marine but surely even you know there are criminals in the ranks. They may be dormant or they may be active in their abhorrent behaviour. But the "freedom" to live a murderous lifestyle in a war setting attracts some people to the ranks of the military in every nation. The examples are almost countless throughout history. Ever heard of the Nazi SS? The Allies branded it a criminal organization in WW2. Or the Imperial Japanese Army? Their war crimes are too numerous to count and they even ate other human beings. That evil doers were numbered among the US Marines during WW2 cannot be doubted.
      And what I wrote was not intended as a condemnation, criticism nor "embellishment" of Lee Marvin or his actions in the Marine corps during WW2. I do not understand why you would take it that way.

    • @alconomic476
      @alconomic476 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for sharing.

  • @pnutz_2
    @pnutz_2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    ah sweet saipan, loved that map in rising storm. one of the few maps with an actual built-up area that wasn't fighting in some jungle ruin

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@georgedoolittle9015Is the Doolittle in your name because of Jimmy Doolittle?

    • @dudududu1926
      @dudududu1926 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love that game. Using the BAR against an organised banzai charge was really fun and scary.

  • @jeremy1392
    @jeremy1392 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At the end of the show I want to see a two hour video of the person on the other end of the phone's perspective.

  • @chazzerman286
    @chazzerman286 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For what it's worth, Chichi and Haha translate to Father and Mother respectively

  • @korbell1089
    @korbell1089 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "there are just too few of the mines to give the density needed to stop the allies in their tracks!"
    Pretty much sums up Germany's late war plans all around...Too little, too late!

  • @Spiderfisch
    @Spiderfisch ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I like the new office
    My only problem with it is it doesnt have the chair of infinite knowledge in it

  • @TheRealBobBasher
    @TheRealBobBasher ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a big history fan and I'm digging this "Real Time" presentation instead of the stuffy repackaging of old stuff. Keep it up!

  • @gunman47
    @gunman47 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    This week on June 17 1944, the following missions in the Call of Duty series will begin:
    *June 11 1944*
    Prisoners of War (Call of Duty 2) - As Sergeant John Davis in Beltot, France, take out the enemy mortar teams, find the American prisoners of war (POWs) and bring the truck to the POWs.
    *June 12 1944*
    The Crossroads (Call of Duty 2) - As Sergeant John Davis in Anctoville, France, secure the crossroad, clear out the nearby houses and defend against the enemy counterattack.
    The Tiger (Call of Duty 2) - As Sergeant John Davis in St. Louet, Normandy, France, secure the Town Hall, the Post Office, clear out the Flak Gun and the HQ,
    *June 14 1944*
    The Brigade Box (Call of Duty 2) - As Sergeant John Davis in Amayé-sur-Seulles, France, take out the enemy mortar crews, take over the field HQ and then defend it, before finally destroying the enemy tank.
    *June 15 1944*
    Codename: Forager (Call of Duty: World at War - Final Fronts) - As Private Joe Miller in Saipan Island in the Pacific, push up from the beaches, regroup, and then hold and defend against Japanese counterattacks.

    • @norwegiantactician
      @norwegiantactician ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Someone promote Davis. Dude is a one man army, from Africa to France. COD 2 is awesome.

    • @iVETAnsolini
      @iVETAnsolini ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is hilarious

    • @oldesertguy9616
      @oldesertguy9616 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I really miss COD 2. It had a great storyline and an interesting mix of theaters of operation. I think it was the best of the COD series. I wish they would remake it. When I went to Windows 10 my computer wouldn't run it anymore.

    • @hwykng82
      @hwykng82 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i got cod 2 with the launch of the xbox 360. so ruthless on veteran difficulty

    • @dominicheffron4875
      @dominicheffron4875 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think COD 3 starts next week at St. Lo

  • @nicholasconder4703
    @nicholasconder4703 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Something you didn't mention, but which are very important for Operation Forager, are the 11 American escort carriers. These ships helped suppress Japanese air power in the Marianas during the campaign, freeing up the main carrier force for fleet operations. Although they don't take direct action in the upcoming battle, their presence will make a big difference.

    • @Wayne.J
      @Wayne.J ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Old BBs too. 7 BBs were the modern types

  • @jean-huguesaubry6778
    @jean-huguesaubry6778 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shout out to the team who takes care of the decor, with the time appropriate flags !

  • @poiuyt975
    @poiuyt975 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Hitler refuses and flies into a rage". I feel like we should have a short codeword for this phrase, because it happens so often. I propse "Hitrage". ;-)

  • @jackmoorehead2036
    @jackmoorehead2036 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You hit something with that statement about the ability of the U.S. to produce enough shipping and assault craft to stage 2 major amphibious operations in basicly a week on two fronts 10,000 miles apart. It will only get worse for the Axis from now on out.

  • @davidspiller7977
    @davidspiller7977 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how you lie to us, " I don't know what will happen next week".

  • @Bob.W.
    @Bob.W. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kelly Turner's ,"tractor fleet," was even larger than the warship fleet, iirc

  • @thomasbernecky2078
    @thomasbernecky2078 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great detailed work with your D-Day 24. Thanks!

  • @aaroncabatingan5238
    @aaroncabatingan5238 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:54 Nagumo: You might be wondering how I found myself in this situation. I'm still trying to figure it out.

    • @mjbull5156
      @mjbull5156 ปีที่แล้ว

      "I have got a bad feeling about this."

  • @Bulgarian_Coastline
    @Bulgarian_Coastline ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really like the new background. Also, I really enjoyed your documentaries on D-Day- you made them very well However, I still haven't managed to watch the second one to the bed(they're sooo long, nice).

  • @MrXenon1994
    @MrXenon1994 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "The American buildup for the invasion of Saipan, codenamed Operation Forager, occurred simultaneously with preparations for Operation Overlord, the codename for D-Day. Measured by firepower, the Saipan invasion fleet was even larger than the one devoted to Normandy. Admiral Raymond Spruance commanded the overall invasion force that included Pete Mitscher's *powerful* Task Force 58, which by now consisted of 15 aircraft carriers, 7 battleships, 11 cruisers and 86 destroyers." - Dan Carlin, Supernova In The East V

  • @vladimir.zlokazov
    @vladimir.zlokazov ปีที่แล้ว

    I've finally caught up after watching the D-Day coverage! Thank you for great work!

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for watching! Glad you enjoyed! 😃

  • @joechang8696
    @joechang8696 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I am actually quite surprised the IJN was able to be in battle position on Jun 19, given that the assessment of invasion was only made on Jun 12. In hindsight, Japan could have made two considerations: 1) assess that their aviators are not ready for combat and elect to wait for the next campaign.
    2) considering Leyte Gulf, waited a few days, let the US Fleet operate at high tempo (either general quarters or wartime steaming) which leads to crews being exhausted after a few days, and ships low on fuel. This could also let them get a submarine screen in place.
    The placement of the battleship force ahead of the carrier force was a thoughtful idea, in that inexperienced aviators will attack the first target they see. but unfortunately provided less ASW screen for the carriers.
    In the naval order of battle, the difference in carriers adjusted for aircraft is significant advantage for the US, but the difference in destroyers is even greater, and then factor in having radar fire control + VT on the 5in guns

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The idea of using battleships as carrier escorts didn’t really work out well for anyone; most aviators (both American and Japanese) were told to focus on the actually important targets and ignore the battleships, and the battleships ended up being gigantic and needlessly expensive destroyers/CLAAs during carrier battles.
      Also, re: Leyte Gulf, the Japanese force there only managed to sortie after the landings were well underway (they landed on Oct. 20, Leyte Gulf began on Oct. 24):

    • @Wayne.J
      @Wayne.J ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The American landed at 720 on 17th of October. IJN activated Sho Go 1 at 810 in 17th. 2nd Fleet sortied from Lingga on 18th in early morning, started refuelling at Brunei on the 20th, then sortied on 22nd.
      Re: Vanguard or BBs/CAs being bombed in major carrier battles.
      Haruna and Tone bombed at Midway
      Tone Chikuma Suzuya bombed at Santa Cruz. South Dakota and San Juan for the US while escorting Enterprise.
      Haruna at Phillippine Sea, damaged never repaired.

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@Wayne.JYour comment made me sad just by reading the last part

    • @Wayne.J
      @Wayne.J ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ramzi1944
      Haruna bomb hit in the stern, meant that only 26 knots was possible. Leyte covered it up a little bit with Yamatos having a top speed of 27 knots but it meant Kongo and Haruna couldn't really chase Taffey 2, while others take on Taffey 3

  • @ericlefevre7741
    @ericlefevre7741 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I love you guys, but you made a minor mistake on the Forager order of battle. Japan brough to battle 3 fleet carriers and five light carriers, not five fleet carriers and two light carriers. IJN order of battle:
    Shokaku (fleet carriers, air complement of 72)
    Zuikaku (fleet carriers, air complement of 72)
    Taihō (fleet carrier, air complement of 65)
    (The IJN had planned for a complement of ~80, but they had to rush the Taiho to battle)
    Junyo (light carrier conversion, air complement of 54)
    Hiyo (light carrier conversion, air complement of 53)
    Ryuhu (light carrier, air complement ~36)
    Chitose (light carrier, air complement ~30)
    Chiyoda (light carrier, air complement ~30)
    Zuiho (light carrier, air complement ~30)
    Samuel Elliot Morrison when writing the official history of the Pacific War in the 1950s first made this mistake, and most histories since have copied it.
    EDIT: Morrison didnt right anything, he spent the 50s "writing"
    EDIT 2: Fat fingers, Zuigo lol. corrected to Zuiho.

    • @evoken6552
      @evoken6552 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      How could you consider Junyo and Hiyo as light carriers at 24k tons , thats %50 larger than Ryuho which is the largest CVL Japan has and also got %50 more aircraft ? They are fleet carriers

  • @adamelliott2302
    @adamelliott2302 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If y'all haven't covered the subject yet, but a video on The Coast Watchers would be very interesting. That was some hard won, on the the front intelligence network.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nicely done video

  •  ปีที่แล้ว

    Another excellent Episode. Strange to now see the battle for Normandie unfolding

  • @mcfahk
    @mcfahk ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff, as always.

  • @BarryH1701
    @BarryH1701 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I compare these episodes are like the old newsreels you would see at the movie theatre to get the updates on the war...only much more detailed.

  • @oOkenzoOo
    @oOkenzoOo ปีที่แล้ว +6

    On June 12 1944, the Germans attacked the SAS base of Operation Samwest in Britanny.
    In the night of 5 June 1944, 18 men from the French 4th SAS under the command of Lieutenants Deschamps and André Botella, were parachuted near the forest of Duault in the Côtes-du-Nord, about 30 kilometers from Guingamp. The first phase of their mission was to establish a safe base in the Breton peninsula, code name Samwest, near Callac, then establish parachute and landing zones for the battalion. Until June 11, 114 French SAS were parachuted on Samwest.
    On June 12, the German army attacked the gathering, but only obtained the dispersion of the SAS who later joined the Dingson base, together with members of Operation Cooney Parties. This base was established by another group of 14 men, under the orders of Lieutenants Marienne and Deplante, in the maquis of Saint-Marcel. The order was given on June 5 1944 by Colonel Morice (FFI departmental chief) to all resistance fighters in Morbihan to gather at La Nouette, a farm near Saint-Marcel (about 3,000 men). Until June 18, 160 French soldiers of the 4th SAS (including its commander, Bourgoin) were parachuted on the Dingson base installed in this maquis.
    After the end of Samwest and Dingson, operation Grog began on June 13th. Captain Deplante left the Saint-Marcel sector, he was responsible for setting up the Grog base in the vicinity of Guern near Pontivy. This organization, without a fixed base, had to provide parachute drops for the arming and training of the French resistance battalions in a large sector.

  • @PhoenixNoKiseki
    @PhoenixNoKiseki หลายเดือนก่อน

    We need a super cut of all the times Indy tells us Hitler said no.

  • @alehaim
    @alehaim ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun fact, this battle in Changsha in 1944 is the fourth battle in the city in the span of five years. There was the initial assault in 1939 after the fall of Wuhan, a second attempt in 1940, and a third battle 1941-1942 along side the invasion of Hong Kong and the rest, and then there is this last one. It's one hell of a strategic city.

  • @freetolook3727
    @freetolook3727 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My father's brother lost his life on Saipan.
    He was in the 2nd Marine division.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for sharing this, and we’re grateful for your uncle’s service!

  • @Moromom22
    @Moromom22 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm noticing that Hitler like to say "This will win the war" to a lot of his operations.

  • @jukebox5600
    @jukebox5600 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The march to berlin is on lads!

  • @lloydzufelt7514
    @lloydzufelt7514 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another fantastic show

  • @mikaelcrews7232
    @mikaelcrews7232 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You guys did some great work on the Mariana's campaign! But the numbers of ships wrong on the INJ fleets and some of the US fleets! The Japanese had 4 heavy carriers the rest were all light carriers, the Us had 20 subs not 16, three came from the southeastern Pacific and one from Midway!
    The commanders you didn't get wrong but forgot to mention a few! Like Jack Fletcher was commanding officer of the task force heading to Guam to retake the first American territory that the Japanese had invaded back in 1941! You'll probably mention that next week!
    One of the tactics that the Japanese had wanted to use was shuttle bombing.... Were a planes would take off from a carriers do bombing run land on an island refuel, rearm, and reload with there ordinance! But with the heavy bombing of runways ammo dumps and fuel depot's is why the Japanese had no chance of employing this tactic and the American navy was so scared of it! Also the breakdown of communications between the Japanese navy and army only hastened the fall of the Marianas island chain!
    On a side note about this 4 new weapons were introduced! The Japanese had two new aircraft as well as the Americans! The Japanese navy had introduced a new type of torpedo plane the Emily ( I maybe wrong)to replace the Kate, and a new fighter the Oscar ( I maybe be wrong on that one too) to replace the Zeke! The Americans started using the new Hellcat and the new Helldiver!

  • @gilwhitmore9682
    @gilwhitmore9682 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The 24 hours of D-Day coverage was really good. I think it could have been better if it consisted of more breakdown of the fighting similar to what was presented in this weeks installment. The detail provided about the fighting in Finland was very detailed. I think it would be fantastic to take the materials from the D-Day channel and re-tool them, add more detail, fix the editing bugs and launch it again next year. This would give the staff time to review and really fine tune the work. I would be willing to bet that most of us would be all onboard for the re-boot.

  • @shawnr771
    @shawnr771 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the lesson.

  • @gojo76
    @gojo76 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ah yes, I'm looking forward to the Cold war series from you guys

    • @Zen-sx5io
      @Zen-sx5io ปีที่แล้ว

      There's a channel that covers the cold war, but not in this format.

    • @Skelli2
      @Skelli2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honestly, I'd love if they did the Korean War after this wraps up. It's a natural continuation of this series and at the same time the conflict in the cold war that's the least understood in the sense that most people (myself included) know it happened, know the rough outline but the details are very fuzzy. Vietnam would be a close second but it's 25 years long so it doesn't work with the week by week format

  • @joembensman
    @joembensman ปีที่แล้ว

    The next month of the war should be a lot of action!! Philippine Sea, Bagration, and a month from now the Valkyrie Plot.. Gonna be fun seeing it all covered.

  • @Go4Corvette
    @Go4Corvette ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Am, still trying to finish the D-Day videos, lol

  • @welcometonebalia
    @welcometonebalia ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @excelon13
    @excelon13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man next week is going to be crazy. Operation Bagration and the Great Marianas turkey shoot can't wait!

  • @SoloChinchilla
    @SoloChinchilla ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing episode

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!
      You’re amazing!

  • @user-pb8lf1kq3p
    @user-pb8lf1kq3p ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7 Battleships??? 7 fast battleships......but your forgetting the old battleships that you did mention in the bombardment fleet....

  • @ralebeau
    @ralebeau ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There were about 30,000 Japanese civilians on Saipan, of whom 20,000 were killed.

  • @oOkenzoOo
    @oOkenzoOo ปีที่แล้ว +28

    On June 14 1944, General De Gaulle arrived in Normandy at Courseulles-sur-mer aboard the destroyer "La Combattante".
    On June 13 1944, the destroyer was ordered to go to Portsmouth; there was Charles de Gaulle, Generals Béthouart and Koenig, Admiral d'Argenlieu, Gaston Palewski, Pierre Viénot, Pierre Billotte, François Coulet, Pierre de Chevigné, Geoffroy de Courcel, Pierre Laroque and Claude Hettier de Boislambert who were waiting to cross the Channel and go to Normandy. The delegation took with it a treasure of 250 million francs to counter the introduction of the "flag note", the American occupation franc, and thwart the projects of AMGOT.
    The next day, June 14, General de Gaulle and his retinue set foot on French territory on the beach at Courseulles-sur-Mer. They first went to Creully to meet General Montgomery in his headquarters before going to Bayeux where the General dismissed the sub-prefect of Vichy, and appointed in his place an official designated by him (François Coulet). The same process will be repeated in all liberated cities. In Bayeux, De Gaulle gave a famous speech to the crowd:
    “We are all moved by finding ourselves together, in one of the first liberated cities of metropolitan France, but this is not the time to talk about emotion. What the country expects from you, behind the front, is that you continue the fight today, as you have never stopped since the beginning of this war and since June 1940. Our cry now, as always, is a battle cry, because the path of battle is also the path of freedom and the path of honor. It is the voice of the motherland. We will continue to wage war with our land, sea and air forces as we do today in Italy, where our soldiers have covered themselves with glory, as they will do tomorrow in metropolitan France. Our Empire, entirely gathered around us, provides enormous help. We will fight for France with passion, but also with reason. You who have been under the heel of the enemy and have been part of Resistance groups, you know what war is. It is a particularly harsh war, this clandestine war, this war without weapons. I promise you that we will continue the war until the sovereignty of every inch of French territory is restored. No one will stop us from doing it. We will fight alongside the Allies with the Allies as an Ally. And the victory we will win will be the victory of freedom and the victory of France. I am going to ask you to sing with me our national anthem, the Marseillaise”.
    They then went to Isigny-sur-Mer and finally to Grandcamp-les-Bains before the General re-embarked with a few others the same evening on La Combattante to return to England the next morning.
    (Following in the comment below)

    • @oOkenzoOo
      @oOkenzoOo ปีที่แล้ว

      The firmness and speed with which General de Gaulle restored the authority of a national government made it possible to avoid the establishment of the AMGOT, planned by the Americans, which would have made liberated France a state administered and occupied by the Allies.
      Indeed, from November 1942, after the signing of the Clark-Darlan agreements which placed the territories of the French colonial Empire under American occupation, Charles de Gaulle sent André Philip to Washington to announce that Free France could not tolerate an administration by the United States of French territories. Roosevelt then revealed to Philip the plan for the military occupation of France : "When we enter France, we will use the right of the occupier... The Americans will remain in France until free elections are organized there [ ...] I will talk to the French people on the radio and they will do what I want”.
      In a memorandum dated May 8, 1943, Roosevelt wrote to Winston Churchill: “I am inclined to think that when we are in France, we must consider our action as that of a military occupation managed by American and British generals [.. .] The most important posts, the national administration, must be kept in the hands of the British or American Commander-in-Chief. It will be necessary for, I think, six months or even a year, the time to organize elections and a new form of government”.
      The American operation was intended to put France under total dependence: officers would have replaced the mayors, the municipal budgets would have been managed by the liberators, as well as the communication and railway systems. Banknotes in the form of francs were printed by the Federal Reserve of the United States and began to be distributed as soon as the Normandy landings.
      President Roosevelt and his cabinet even proposed to Anthony Eden, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the United Kingdom, to create a new state called Wallonia, by taking Alsace-Lorraine from France, as well as parts of Hauts-de-France, to give them to Belgium. But facing opposition this plan was finally abandoned.
      The British had obtained from the Americans that the AMGOT did not apply to “liberated countries with recognized governments”. The Americans and the English therefore disagreed on the need to recognize for France a legitimate government under de Gaulle.
      Anthony Eden visited Roosevelt in March 1943 and opposed the AMGOT project. He would later write: “I also could not agree with a new American plan, which was that the Allied forces landing in France should administer France. It seemed to me that Roosevelt wanted to hold the future of France in his hands in order to decide the fate of the country. I didn't like that, and preferred that we work with a French civil authority as soon as possible”. In his diary, he wrote on March 4 1944 that the British would be "crazy to follow Roosevelt, blinded by his absurd and petty aversion to de Gaulle".
      The project of dismemberment of France, then of occupation of the country, were also the object of opposition in the United States. The American media, first of all, were pro-Gaullist and even if they had no wind of Roosevelt's project, considered de Gaulle the legitimate leader of France. It was also opposed by both Henry Stimson (US Secretary of War) and John J. McCloy (US Under-Secretary for War) and Dwight D. Eisenhower (Allied Europe Supreme Commander) who did not understand Roosevelt's animosity and meanness towards the French general. Eisenhower influenced Roosevelt in 1944 via telegrams to encourage him to recognize de Gaulle as the only legitimate leader. On June 3, he wrote: "All our information leads us to believe that the only authority that the resistance groups want to know is that of De Gaulle and his committee... He controls the only military forces that can take part in the operation. Consequently, from a strictly military point of view [...] we are obliged to deal with him if we want to ensure the maximum assistance of the French, both inside and outside the country”. Eisenhower wanted to cooperate with Charles de Gaulle, unlike Roosevelt who blindly hated him and tried to get rid of him by all means since december 1941.
      In the end, noting that the French populations rallied to the new powers resulting from the Resistance, the Americans gave in. However, it was not until October 23 1944 that the legitimacy of the GPRF (Provisional Government of the French Republic) was officially recognized by all the great powers.

    • @ToddSauve
      @ToddSauve ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Courseulles-sur-mer was liberated on June 6 by the Regina Rifles Regiment and the Royal Winnipeg Rifles Regiment with elements of several other Canadian regiments like the 1 Hussars armoured regiment of London, Ontario.

    • @Ramzi1944
      @Ramzi1944 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why I can't see your following comment?

    • @oOkenzoOo
      @oOkenzoOo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ramzi1944 it is the very first reply under this comment. I can see it so you should too normally.

    • @elouenmyas580
      @elouenmyas580 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@oOkenzoOo I can't see it either. The fact that you can see your own comment doesn't necessarily mean it is visible to others. It sometimes happens to me as well and it's really frustrating. I am not really sure why that is.

  • @alexamerling79
    @alexamerling79 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Army Group Center has no idea what's about to hit them...

  • @drewisaac9884
    @drewisaac9884 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Chichi and Haha mean father and mother specifically when you're talking about them when to someone else

  • @sealove79able
    @sealove79able ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A great very interesting video. I am about to watch the last 30 minutes of the DDay 4th ep.I watched the rest of the DDay during my working hours at work using the company's ADSL which was great.It was some really great spent 23:30:00h on work.Can we hope to see a similar special about some great landing operation in the Pacific Theatre of Operations the following year or somewhere elsewhere perhaps?I am sure all these landings would have gone a lot smoother had the B36s and B52s been put into action.Would have nuking Berlin and Tokyo caused the German surrender in the East or the Japanese surrender in Manchuria China SE Asia?Have a good one.

  • @eleanorkett1129
    @eleanorkett1129 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Another great episode to keep me until 20 July.

    • @WorldWarTwo
      @WorldWarTwo  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you! You’re great!

  • @friendhui4320
    @friendhui4320 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Indy ❤❤❤ teach us!!!

  • @ramonribascasasayas7877
    @ramonribascasasayas7877 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holland Smith looks like Walther Matthau.

  • @edward9674
    @edward9674 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Could you do a video on the B-29 someday? It was a technological wonder of its time.

    • @renegadeleader1
      @renegadeleader1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If they do, I know some people at the New England Air Museum who would be more than happy to provide in depth footage of their B-29, Jack's Hack which has been painstakingly restored to it's original WWII configuration. The vacuum tube interlocked targeting computer for it's turrets even still works!

  • @maciejkamil
    @maciejkamil ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seeing axis defeated is very satisfying.

  • @Pirusiandres
    @Pirusiandres ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I haven't finished the Dday special. So, I won't watch today's episode. But I wanted to say thank you for your hard work.

  • @MrXenon1994
    @MrXenon1994 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    15 June 1944.
    Corporal John Evans of the 7th Armoured Division holds the line today north of the commune of Livry, where he had held the flank with the rest of the 131st Infantry Brigade between Caumont-l'Éventé and Amayé-sur-Seulles just yesterday as the 22nd Armoured Brigade formed a defensive box after its withdrawal from the bloody Battle of Villers-Bocage, which was fought on the 13th. The Battle of the Brigade Box raged yesterday on the 14th as the German attempts to push the British further and further from Villers-Bocage grew in ferocity. However, the order was eventually given to withdraw from the brigade box and straighten out the line, despite heavy casualties inflicted on the German attackers - and with this withdrawal of the 7th Armoured which began just after midnight today, Operation Perch ends in British defeat, and the scramble for ground which began on D-Day ends, thus beginning the slow, bloody and attritional struggle for Caen. The foreboding beginnings of Operation Perch were prevalent from the start of the week as the eastern pincer failed to get going and XXX Corps faced serious opposition from German panzer units as John and his comrades launched the attack through Tilly-sur-Seulles and Caumont toward Villers-Bocage. Looking back on it all, John counts his lucky stars that he’s somehow still alive, and hopes the campaign to take Caen ends sooner than later.

  • @andmos1001
    @andmos1001 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The V1 rocket is the first missile that could travel over a long distance. It’s is also the backbone for the rocket industry we know today, and is the first leap to a man on the moon

    • @dfsengineer
      @dfsengineer ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think you mean the V2.

    • @romaliop
      @romaliop ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dfsengineer Yeah, V1 was not really a rocket or a missile but an unmanned plane.

    • @stevekaczynski3793
      @stevekaczynski3793 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@romaliop SPOILER
      The Science Museum in London in the 1990s showed a photo of the V2 hit in Chiswick, a suburb of outer west London, in September 1944, and the caption said it was the beginning of the Space Age. It didn't mention it also killed three people, though it was probably intended for central London and landing in relatively sparsely inhabited suburbia perhaps reduced the death toll. Neither the V1 nor V2 were very accurate.

    • @mjbull5156
      @mjbull5156 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The V--1 is more the first cruise missile, than a proto spacefaring rocket.

  • @hildenburg5
    @hildenburg5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it's crazy to hear places I grew up at on my favorite TH-cam channel. #CNMI

  • @robertm.8653
    @robertm.8653 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    11 planes shot down for 147 of their own doesn't sound good for Japan, especially when the Navy expects those planes to help in the battle

    • @stevekaczynski3793
      @stevekaczynski3793 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Japanese were running out of skilled fighter pilots by 1944. So were the Germans, to a slightly less extreme degree.

  • @caryblack5985
    @caryblack5985 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For a detailed explanation of the German thinking and the reason why they expected the Soviets to attack Army North Ukraine read Robert Citino The Wehrmacht's Last Stand.

    • @jrus690
      @jrus690 ปีที่แล้ว

      I watched David Glantz, and he gave hints about this problem. The Soviet central fronts had been attacking Army Group Center center since Kursk but they could not make a decisive breakthrough. This channel does not cover stuff like that, it has just been covering movement. The Germans were not expecting Bagration and a direct smash.

  • @nigellawson8610
    @nigellawson8610 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It also would not be a HaHa moment if you were shot down over HaHa.

  • @robertoler3795
    @robertoler3795 หลายเดือนก่อน

    well done

  • @annehersey9895
    @annehersey9895 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually, Operation Bagration was all Rokassovsky's baby and he even had to argue it before Stalin and Stavka because it departed greatly from established Soviet Doctrine. Zhukov liked it so much, he ended up taking command of one of the 4 fronts.

  • @benworsham1466
    @benworsham1466 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m enjoying seeing my Grandfather’s US 2nd Division on the map near St. Lo.

  • @Ycjedi
    @Ycjedi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That opening bit certainly had me saying HaHa

  • @xh321
    @xh321 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:13 also known as "Battle of Bloody Gulch" where the 6th Fallschirmjäger fought alongside 17SS Panzergrenadierdivision against the American 101st Airborne including the famous Easy Company with their commander Richard Winters. Band of Brothers Fans will know ;).