The War Goals to End WW2 in 1945 - a WW2 Special
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.พ. 2024
- While World War Two looks like it is about to end, the belligerent powers have vastly different goals for that end. Differences that may or may not prolong the war, will decide the survival of tens of millions of people, and the future fate of all of Humanity.
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This episode covers the goals of the belligerents in February 1945. Goals that on the Allied side will be revised at the Yalta Conference, where Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin take decisions that continue to decide the fate of Humanity to this day in 2024. In a few days we will come out with a video covering the deliberations, and decisions at the Yalta Conference. It is the TimeGhost Army that enables us to do these deep dives into our common history.
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Germany will win for sure because Hitler wants it.
Good work!! Keep it up!! Never Forget!!
Will you do a special on the preparations by the Japanese military and government to defend against an American invasion of Japan
Should have been Saikō sensō shidō kaigi. Missed the i on the end
@@AptMantis2278not sure. Both Indy and I are already covering it in our regular episodes. It sort of belongs to the developing chronological events.
Imagine thinking the war is lost for axis... Steiner is about to turn the tide...
...Mein Führer [starts sweating profusely]...
Weichs!
@@gmnotyet soll die Sache mit der 9. Armee unterstützen
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.... Oh buddy.... I don't have the heart to tell you....
So if someone else could, that would be nice.
Germans goal right now in 1945: buy a nice Little plot of Land in south america.
Don't forget to learn Spanish or Portuguese lol
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i vashed for supper!
And in Argentina to be exact! Perhaps Paraguay in a pinch! 🤣😂
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Himmler in 1945: you know, am something of an army group commander myself
Was Army Group Commander and head of Gestapo for 10 years. NEIN! Was never head of Gestapo at all!
Try telling that to Eisenhower
Oooh, Mr Bimmler, you do have us on...
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I believe @gmnotyet is making a reference to a Monty Python sketch "North Minehead By-Election"
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@@gmnotyet "it's that nice Mr. McGöring from the Bell and Compasses, he wants to know if the Führer is incapacitated"
I really appreciate that you call Speer Hitler's "Chief Slaver". It's ridiculous how his reputation was repaired post war.
Indy didn’t want to get out fancied in the wardrobe department this time.
Indy has the edge today.
Sparty rules in the battle of facial hair !
@@BELCAN57 Indy ain't even in that battle.
They both look great, don’t they!
Holy shit
Indy has long sleeves
I'm sure that's because Sparty forced him so to not feel out of place haha
@@MrZeubiLaMouche Nah that was definetly CGI
Have we ever seen this?
1930s style ? My look that way unless I get custom, big neck t-Rex arms.
@@jackdiamond5340 I think even when I went to Normandy in 2022 to see them, Indy hadn't sleeves
It’s so funny to see Indy gesturing so enthusiastically while Sparty is speaking. At first I thought he was mocking him but now I’m of the mind that he just can’t contain himself!
I thought they were trying to make each other laugh.
@@StegoKing They probably were 😂
I was about to post the same thing. Gesticulating enthusiastically, and itching to get to his own next lines.
I really like that you highlighted how the War in Asia is expected to go on for at least another year. To many histories write from the point of view that the ”August End date" with atomic weapons was already known.
"Why are they fighting Japan in Burma in 1945? Obviously, they should know that a super secret american weapons system and a surprise soviet entry will happen in a few months"
The people in charge do not know that. Everyone in Asia is operating under the assumption that Japanese forces will need to be defeated and pried out of each of their holdings in Asia one by one.
It would also explain why the British had sent forces to the Dutch East Indies as late as July. Plus, no one really knew on either side was really on any agreement about how to end the war.
Right, how would they know about super secret American weapon? Vice President Truman did not know about it. My dad was in the Philippines training for the amphibious invasion of Japan. He was a coxswain of a landing boat. They were told to expect 70% casualties in the first hour.
The saying there at the time was "the Golden Gate in '48 and the bread line in '49".
@@ZER0ZER0SE7ENso true.
Also, even those who did know about the bomb couldn’t have known that it would end the war as quickly as it did!
Can t wait to see the look of Indy s face when he speaks about Steiner's counteroffensive.
The intro is just gonna be Indy reenacting the bunker scene
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I’m pretty sure the best thing to come out of WW2 was this channel.
I dunno, Spam is up there too.
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Indeed!
Perhaps a Europe free of fascist rule is better?
the technology that came from ww2 sped up everything
Indies hands levitating when Sparty was talking was the main takeaway from this episode, they kept distracting me 😂
Yes. Great vid, but too much "emoting" :)
Sparty: *slightly opens mouth*
Indy: 👋👋👋✋✋✋👐👐👐
A peaceful Germany might run a close second.
Poland is the perfect example of the Ancient Greek Proverb, "The Strong does at it wills, and the Weak suffers what it must".
*couch* every foreign policy from the USA till now.. *couch*
Ladies and gentlemen the entire world history in one sentance
A surprise 40 minute special on a Thursday night? yes please!
I was going to like this comment but then saw it had 69 likes, so refrained
@@c5p0 It's 73, you can like it now, at ease soldier, thank you for your service. ✋🤝
This is the stage in a Paradox game where you have given up but still continue in the hope that the rng doesn't let you down.
Gang, this was a phenomenal episode. You all are so good at this.
Thank you for the lovely comment!
I feel that whenever Indy says "this is modern war!" Is equivalent to whenever Obi-Wan Kenobi says "hello there!"
Ahahahahah!!awesome!!😂
I'm just mad because I have to finish my drink!
Indy is performing his audition for Bradley Cooper's part as Leonard Bernstein in Maestro with the hand gestures.
Mussolini: is there ANY chance I could change sides??
Italian civilians: Sure! We can help you switch from the living to the non-living team. Just hang out here for a second k?
Meet you at the petrol station.
It is interesting that he had fallen so far by this point that he doesn't even merit a mention during this episode's coverage of Axis strategic "thinking" in February of 1945. He knew his goose was cooked by this point as well. In January of 1945 he told the wife of an embassy press attache, "Seven years ago I was an interesting person. Now I'm little more than a corpse....yes, madam, I am finished. My star is fallen. I have no fight left in me. I work and I try, yet I know that all is but a farce...I await the end of the tragedy and strangely detached from everything, I do not feel any more an actor. I feel I am the last of the spectators."
incredible to me that it was clear to everyone that the war would end in Allied victory by now, but the war raged on for another 3 months in Europe and another 6 months in Asia. Heart wrenching.
It was clear that the War was nearly over in Europe, that's accepted fact. However, in Asia the thinking was that it was far from over. The invasion of Japan was expected to start in November 1945 or even as late as 1947 or 48.
@@leecooper8589why invade the Japanese archipelago at all when the IJN is in tatters, the American Air Force has air supremacy, and the U.S. island-hopping campaign has stranded the IJA?
@@damascus21 That's the big question, really. People like to say that nuking two cities was the "lesser evil" compared to a long and brutal land war... but those were never the only two options. Japan is an island nation whose navy has effectively ceased to exist, and by then the other half of the war was over.
It does, however, highlight that the war in the Pacific was never "necessary" for the US; it wasn't about survival or defence, it was about revenge, pure and simple. North America was never in any threat from Japan, certainly not invasion and for all practical purposes not shore/shipping harassment either, and the if the American public didn't want to get involved in Europe when the Germans were taking over nearly the whole thing, they certainly didn't care to fight for some obscure European colonies, or China, or random islands they've never heard of.
Japan punched America in the face, so America followed them home, murdered them, their family, set their house on fire, then blew it up for good measure. That's the Pacific war in a nutshell.
@@fortpark-wd9sxThe Japanese interregnum in the last three weeks in South East Asia was a fascinating aspect of the end. The Japanese Army was effectively commissioned to act on behalf of the British Crown during that period. The final surrender of Japanese forces in Malaya didn't occur until mid February 1946. A full six months after the bomb was dropped.
The previous war in Europe ended when both sides knew the Entente's victory was inevitable but before Germany was even invaded. The armistice saved a lot of lives, but was a factor in the rise of the NSDAP.
This time, the Allied victory had to be total and Germany had to be clearly defeated.
German civilians: do the furher have any great plan to win the war???
Hitler: lads I ear that Argentina is lovely this time of the year
Indy’s drip is on point.
He's a dapper man indeed!
Japan: “We neeeeed ONE last final decisive victory!!”
USA: “how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man 😠”
“oh you want another battle? Here’s two sun’s” -Truman 1945
I always find it funny when modern Stalinists talk up how much the USSR sacrificed to defeat Germany in WWII, and how they basically did most of the work by themselves.
The funny part, at least to me, is how they ALWAYS just happen to leave out the parts in history where the USSR were seceretly and illegaly helping Germany rebuild its military might by allowing them to stay away from prying eyes while carrying out exercises to test which units, tactics, and theories would be most effecrive, even to the point of staging entire mock battles with fake canvas screen tanks on a truck or bicycle. It let them experiment with airplanes and learn with mock-divebombing runs, dogfights, etc. And IIRC was even the birthplace of the Luftwaffe's Infamous Fallschirmjägers. Then let's not forget the BIG one, the fact they actively worked together to invade and split Poland. Yeah they were still ideological enemies that were destined to come to blows eventually, but that doesn't deny the fact they occasionally worked towards a common goal and didn't mind assisting or being assisted by the other while they working towards it.
They also try blaming USSR's casualties on the West for not opening a 2nd front sooner, despite the fact the West was already fighting on enough Front's to cover the whole globe. We were fighting in the skies over the UK, across the Atlantic, in the Mediterranean and North Seas, throughout the entirety of the North, central, and South Pacific with "D-Day" just being another month or two for them while island hopping, fighting even more U-Boats off the west coast of Africa and the east coast of the US, carrying out more amphibious landings in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy, India and Burma all the way up through Indochina and into China itself to team up with both sides or their currently paused Civil War, the Nationalist and Communist parties, etc...
So it's pretty funny the West had ALL THAT they had to simultaneously deal with, meanwhile the mighty USSR, the great and unstoppable BEAR; needs us to, NO, DEMANDS we open a second front against Germany so the USSR can get some breathing room or something.
And Remember, these were the same guys HELPING Hitler for the first Year an a Half of the War; and the same ones that refused to help us with, or declare war on Japan. Instead choosing to remain neutral to them until the USSR could finally attempt to swoop in and take as much land land for themselves as they could after we'd done all the work to defeat Japan.
It's thanks to Nazi Germany the USSR became a superpower.
A lot of the "sacrifices" the soviets made were due to their own poor decision making, an example of which being how cheap they made the T34, if they had actually spent the time and money making decent tanks instead of cutting corners, they wouldn't have had to make so many to keep up with the losses.
The axis goal rn is hoping 5 year olds make for great flak gunners because the 12 year olds have been promoted to field marshal positions.
What Stalin did in regard to Poland brings to mind the old adage: “How do you know when a Russian is lying? When his mouth is moving.”
The work ethic on display by the Timeghost team in putting out so much extra content on the regular is so admirable! Your dedication is aspirational.
Don't you love how the Timeghost team captures the zeitgeist?
Love these types of "War Goals" videos. Been asking for it since TGW series and glad it was finally delivered. Well done
Thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching!
Wow, a 40 minute long Special episode video? We are truly spoiled from the World War Two team today. Thank you as always!
Happy to hear you enjoyed it, big thank you to our editor for this episode!
Never forget, those who don't know history are bound to repeat it's mistakes...
Absolutely bewildering this isn't a multi million sub channel. It absolutely will be and should be!
Sparty looks sharp, his bracelets make his watch shine
I would like to see a session on the 'boring but important' aspects of the war, meaning the financial and economic costs to all participants.
Gee whiz! Those three piece suits, sure are snappy, you must have used a year's clothing ration to get them. I hope they never go out of style.
Best show on youtube.
The Germans are definitely running out of time to build that secret moon base...
Don't worry, the base inside the planet under Antarctica should be ready by March.
Sparty's "Well..." at 20:11 really sums it up
In South East Asia and the Pacific, it’s Australia that’s the somewhat unknown quotient. Australia has captured British and Dutch colonies. In 1945 Australia is the world’s fifth strongest military force and it wants to see its region secure and under its influence. The Americans largely take over, but still, it’s Australia that occupies a third of Japan in command of Britain (and also for the Korean War) and leads the war crime trials against the Japanese. Sure it plays second fiddle to the Americans, which all but the Soviets do too, but Australia is very different, it hasn’t any debts to anyone in 1945, in fact America hasn’t paid all its bills on Reverse Lend-Lease, and it’s in control of a region that dwarfs most of the powers that existed before 1939. While the big three are strutting their stuff, it’s only a matter of months before reality sets in and it’s really the big two in a world that’s incomprehensible to the Europeans who have their heads stuck in the gears of 1939.
Excellent work Indy, Sparty, & team. You two look very dapper in your shades of gray suits.
Should of had Indy say “this is modern war” and then have sparty say “Never Forget”. Would of been legendary
Love these longer format videos by you guys. I relish in all the details and nuance you're able to get into these specials, that you're not normally able to in the weekly episodes. Eastern Europe really got the short end of the stick when it came to great peace of 1945.
Best coverage. Thanks for this episode.
An excellent and insightful episode. Thank you TimeGhost.
Love you timeghost team and army🙏🏼
Great instructive episode! Well done.
Once again, such incredible production going over this history!
41 min and 12 seconds absolutely flew by. Great video!
Excellent episode, thanks to the whole team as the research and prep to put this together must have been immense.
Hi Indy and Sparty
Awesome video and perfect explanation.
And your suites are nice
Thanks for another great special viddeo
Many of the SS & officers are already packing their bags for Argentina
The rest are updating their CV's and learning English and Russian.
Thanks for the special!
Excellent analysis and presentation.
Wow another great episode! And very extended! This channel is the best of the best. Marvelous! Greetings from Argentina
Excellent double team presentation. Keep doing these, please.
One mistake on Spartys part regarding Frederick the Great and the Seven Years War around 20:40:
Frederick and Prussia did NOT end up with more territory after the war then before it. It was a "status ante bellum" peace treaty that ended the war in europe between austria and prussia.
However Austria failed at achieving their goal of retaking Silesia which they had lost just a few years prior during the war of austrian succession to Fredericks Prussia. It was Austrias main war goal during the seven years war.
Prussia was happy that they didnt lose anything at all with a status quo peace treaty. Also, Prussia wasnt broke yet at that point in time, Frederick still had enough money left to continue the war one potential year longer, however there was no army or soldiers to properly fight left that the money could buy. Prussia was bleed dry compleatly and all occupied territories had been looted clean(saxony). The money that was still in the war chest when the war ended would end up being used in reconstruction of the countryside after the war and to stabilize the Prussian currency again. Prussias economy by the wars end was compleatly dead and dry of any coin, it was pretty much a total war for Prussia by the end.
Prussia would later on get a lot of land during the partitions of Poland in the later part of Fredericks rule.
Great episode great work
Thanks for watching.
Gotta love the Frederick the Great plug
You guys are just fantastic!
Great teamwork. Great presentation. Thank you both so much.
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Great video!! Very interesting!
Looking great boys! Another awesome addition to the series.
Great video!
The hand gestures , body movement and facial gestures realy add to the intensity and drama of the well written narative. Thank you team.
Sharp gear too.
Great video as always ❤
I came for the WW2 special, I stayed for Sparty's oustanding mustache
Thank you for the extended special lesson.
Great job as usual
Thank you Both,.... Extremely interesting and informative.....as per usual.
Thank you.
Speer like all engineers was 'looking ahead'
This episodes goes a long way in explaining why the 1945 has such a heavy death toll on humanity.
This is modern war. Boom. That statement put the period on a really outstanding episode. You guys are fabulous to do all the work it takes to put this series together. Thank you so much!
As usual...very good!
22:47 Burn one's bridges? That's an outlook of utter desperation.
Fantastic; have fond memories of September, 6 years ago.
Just got done with Ryan's "Last Battle" and have Toland's "Last 100 Days", which I read many years ago in high school, and Erikson's two "Road To..." books on the way. Just in the mood to read on this time frame.
Dam that was a long episode, but great as always. 👍
First of all, thank you to Indy, Spartacus and the entire production team of World War 2 - this series is brilliant. I have just finishing McCullough's "Truman", and when Roosevelt dies in office in April 1945, Goebbels wrote to Hitler that the 'it was written in the stars' that a German victory was imminent. I suppose that both he and Hitler thought that Truman would just roll over and sign a peace treaty like the eastern powers did with Frederick the Great in the 18th century. Complete lunacy, but still very interesting.
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Winston was a great Artist , he love the Painting more than the War that I think
Riveting stuff. thanks. No kidding tho... I had an Uncle who was just like indie. Like when someone was trying to make a point he would mimic their gestures and point to the speaker and nod and you just never knew for sure if he was supporting or mocking. In the best possible sense of "mocking" that is.
Fascinating Episode once again. Thank you. Which remindes me. I still need to watch some D Day Episodes :)
Fascinating!!!
Two of you at the same time is not only too much; but twice as good❤👍🤟
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This must be a serious episode, Indy's wearing a suit.
Thanks!
Thank you very much!
Adolph Eichmann to Mrs Eichmann, “ honey, which is easier to learn, Spanish or Portuguese “?
A Bernadotte treating and dealing with the ennemy... How history repeats itself...
Right Astrid? "YES!"
Bring on the show!
Gotta love the long special episodes 😁
Glad you enjoyed!
Like it or not having clear goals on what a country wants to achieve in a war is important to winning it. Nicely done video Indy n Sparty.
History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.................
I am not sure if it is TH-cam or something else, but I never received a notification of this video and only noticed it while casually checking TH-cam an hour after it came out.
It's YT's algos. They'd rather shove 40 minute-long shorts in your face than the videos you subscribe for and actually want to see.
another damn good video from a history nut 👍👍
Yeah, this is amazing
Never had too much extra money to give away but just wanted to say Thanks!
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Whoa this is def one of the longer eps
Indeed it is, there is a lot to cover!
Excellent 40 minute video WW2 team!
We appreciate the comment, thanks for watching!
5:20 FDR is just tired Parent saying “at least they’re not fighting“💀 😂
I believe one of the most important post war pivot points was the Bretton Woods Agreement and System, I would love to see a video on this.