Can you believe that, in the SAME chapter that you can literally use an innocent child to cause harm to others, there is just stupid stuff like: "Kris Get The Banana" *gets the banana* "Potassium"
This genocide not only seems darker but using Noelle makes it worse. In undertale, we acted like Frisk /Chara but didn't involve anyone else in making those actions, and this is a lot worse and a lot to take in.
I can live with the blood of the entire underground on my hands but putting that on an impressionable, kind and passive being whose father is in the hospital? No thank you.
Frisk doesn’t object and just do whatever the player wants to do. Chara on the other than was dragged along and couldn’t do anything to prevent it. But after each LV gain, the side affect of LV began to affect Chara and she slowly accept the route until she become corrupted at the end. In Deltarune however, Noelle is being forced to kill and is gaining LV, which cause her to slowly corrupt as well.
What in the actual fuck. This is so fucking bizarre . The way that they manipulate her even scaring her in the real world Chapter 3 is gonna be tense for Noelle.
You know who is next on the line? Toriel. I can guaranteed you she will be joining the party at some point. And who knows.. Maybe the player will make Tori learn a *FATAL* Spell in order to "Protect" Kris. At the end, Kris will be Crying, in a Broken Home. (Spamton NEO Genocide dialogue.)
This feels....like we went majorly off script and the game is trying to keep playing along. Like, we bypassed several event flags and glitched out the game. That this isn't every something that should be happening. Weird.
...You know, as much i'm disgusted with myself for the actions i did in this path, i also can't help but to feel intrigued by, like you said, the sensation that i'm no longer playing the game like it was supposed to be, as if i'm breaking the rules of this world, and yet finding a completely separate side of it i didn't know it could even exist. Just look at Ralsei at 10:35, he clearly was expecting Kris to wonder about other characters, thus entering the "see what other characters are doing" like in Chapter 1....but now it just does not happen, and he can't understand why. At this point, the player is already playing by their own rules.
@@mariotheundying And what's weird about this is that Kris whispers Noelle's name like they don't want Noelle to be involved anymore while also following the player's command.
So fun recently found fact, while you're talking to Noelle at the hospital, when it's all dark, you can actually move towards her by holding right, which makes Kris force her next to the wall before Susie comes out. You know, if you want to traumatize her just a little bit more.
3:20 The effect of LV is kicking in... “A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others.” We rarely see this take effect in Undertale since LV didn’t affect the Frisk, since the player is controlling them, just Frisk’s Stat. Plus, it doesn’t affect the Player either since it is completely their decision to do the route. (Chara on the other hand was the one being dragged along and watch you kill every monster, and that gaining EXP and LV somehow also transfer to Chara, causing them to break down and become corrupt by the end). But it is undoubtedly affecting Noelle...
This is worse. She is distaning herself, but only because she thinks is Kris who is telling her what to do, her childhood friend. She even comments how "Should we go look for more enemies?" But I think she has not gained any LV, the darkeners and Berdly are merely frozen. If you see any other game, being Frozen is just a status effect that can be healed. However, the fountain is sealed, the dark world is gone. The darkeners and Berdly are going to rot away. And they will eventually Die. At the moment they all die... Is when Noelle is gonna gain LV. And she is gonna get all those execution points AT ONCE.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 "She even comments how "Should we go look for more enemies?"" Kinda remind me of how Chara change their "determination quotes" to a counter of how many "enemies" are left to kill for the save point. Also, I'm pretty sure that she is gaining EXP/LV due to it affecting her. First, she starts seeing the Darkners as Enemies, then she has an urge to electrocute Kris, and finally, nearly mistake Berdly as an enemy.
LV does affect Frisk, what would be the point of introducing it? In Waterfall, once you have high LV and punch the dummy, the narrator will state: "It felt good". In pacifist it says:"You felt bad", clearly showing the difference from Geno Frisk and Pacifist Frisk. Plus, in UT we accompany Frisk on their journey, us controlling them is no different as to any other RPG, the player is only major in Deltarune.
In Undertale Genocide route, you’re basically a killer, and not seeing any major repercussions other than guilt. This is because neither Frisk or the Player is experiencing the effect of LV. Deltarune on the other hand, you can definitely tell that LV is affecting Noelle where she be beginning to become distant, and that it is becoming easier for her to hurt others.
It's because in Undertale, YOU are doing it. In Deltarune, you cant kill anyone yourself. Thus, you need a proxy for your proxy, Noelle. And you're literally mind controlling her to do it too. That's why it's worse. In Undertale Frisk becomes nothing more than your vessel in genocide mode, Noelle is her own person. She knows what she's doing is wrong, hates it, but literally CANNOT prevent herself from doing it. *she's not the one in control* Keep in mind we are also actively possessing Kris, and despite how anti-social he is (and also possibly the "knight" if Chapter 2 end is any indication) he seemingly doesn't actually want to kill anyone. You are making him attack people and watching as you control someone who might actually be his friend. That's why it's so much worse, because it actually IS way worse than UT's genocide, by a LOT.
I think this could as apply to kris, by the end of the game we find out that kris is the one summoning these fountains. But as we've seen in these two chapters, when the player gains control they seal the fountain again, like no matter what kris does, the player will change it.
@@Qrangg you gotta wonder, your choices do have some effect, but, how much do they effect the ending of the game, multiple endings, or just one that is slightly different based on route
Coma. If you dont free him from the wires before beating Queen, he will complain in the Light World about his arm being asleep and being unable to move it- which means certain actions in the Dark World affect those in the light world. So Berdly getting frozen and then the Dark World becoming deleted, essentially made him braindead- but not actually dead since he wouldve turned to dust in the Light World. I believe it is likely the first on-screen example of a monster "Falling Down"
I have a feeling now that in the next chapter, Berdly wil be in a "coma" in the hospital. I'd say that this theory may be become likely, if he's not in class at the beginning of the next chapter.
@@catalyst539 I kinda forgot/wasn't thinking some parts. Now I wonder what will happen with Berdly in the next chapter. Still kinda think that he'll be in a coma in the hospital. But I guess if Toby is actually making it so that the outcome doesn't matter, then I assume Berdly will be "fine" next chapter.
However, having the watch is worse. Susie cames into scene interrupting the answer the player is giving. So, if you are not wearing the watch, she doesnt hear the "It wasnt a dream" However, wearing the watch makes her notice it. It doesnt matter that Susie interrupts the answer, Noelle already knows it wasnt a dream.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 I don't want to seem like a grammar nazi, but it's watch in this case. Clock refers to objects such as an alarm clock, or a clock that you hang on the wall. Watch is for portable clocks, AFAIK
@@manuelalbertoromero9528 if you do genocide in chapter 1 there isnt a difference in chapter 2 i just hope that if you do genocide in chapter 2 you continue the route in chapter 3
@@catdn7011 there are small differences in chapter 2 depending on what you did in chapter 1, like if you told Noelle that Susie eats chalk she will bring her a lunch box filled with chalk
"Susie: Yo.. kris, you, huh, okay? you look kinda..." Ralsei: Aww Kris! if you're *HURT* Susie can heal you!" Kris seems to be hurt, even after healing. This route is only for psychopaths.
@@magma4488 I see your point, though it can be handwaved as him being hurt in the previous fights and she doesn't heal him to see he is still hurt after it so there is that. Could be but could be not.
I feel like Susie will be a major antagonist in the genocide route. There are times when the game let's us decide her actions, but she disregards our input and does what she wants. She can't be controlled.
@@azarious644 There's most of chapter one. When you split up she goes with Ralsei asking "Why does Kris always get to decide?". Then when talking to Noelle her dialogue doesn't change no matter what options you pick.
It's interesting how Kris will always be the antithesis of the player controlling them. In the Pacifist playthrough, the "real" Kris seems violent, subtly sadistic and enigmatic. In the Genocide playthrough, everyone talks about how Kris has "changed," implying the "real" Kris wasn't as malevolent before being controlled.
From what we can gather; Kris may be a prankster and rule breaker, but isn't heartless. We get tidbits of his story and how his relationships prior to Chapter 1 appear to be vaguely positive. He misses Asriel. He is pained by his mother and father's separation. He's pulled pranks on his family and friends. But does seem to care for freedom from our control. Regardless of route; Kris is aware and semi-powerless to stop our control. Only in night, as the antithesis of the Lightners can Kris break free of our control momentarily. Our soul seems to have a major drawback when he separates us from himself.. I get the idea that Kris is a town prankster, and deals with struggles such as being the only human in a world of monsters. And to have lost his self control by our presence only furthers his inner pain that we neglect. Only briskly seeing glimpses of his reactions in specific dialogue and secrets throughout the Dark World and real world.
I like how Berdly genuinely becomes the hero on this route. It makes me feel really terrible for him; watching him try stop Kris from making Noelle more evil.
It's not required to kill everything before meeting Noelle. the important thing is that you backtrack and kill everything when you get Noelle. Encounters previous to the trash heap do *not* matter.
And you can recruit Mauswheel, Werewerewire, and Tasque Manager while on this route. If only Noelle fights, then Kris's max HP is 158 when they fight Spamton NEO, but that isn't different enough from 160 HP to really matter.
as far as i still see it, the player controls all, we make them do what they dont want to do, (which justifies kris's soul ripping cutscenes) and this kinda disproves the theory of "oh its all fake whcih was made in ch1 since noelle has major memory of the dark world trauma, and berdly is in, well a concerning state. the characters 100% different entity's than the player, this isnt your game, they have their own mental states that your SOUL can decide for them, unwillingly. Also remember "theres only one ending" thats right, cause your choices dont matter.
Spoiler allert. In the "good ending" cutscene, we see kris rip his soul and use a knife to fill the world with DARKNESS (within darkness lmao) so I have the theory that maybe kris love so much to be in thoose dream adventures with susie and ralsei that maybe he isn't ripping his soul away for escaping our controll but so he can be as dark as he need to create the darkness that will build another world, another adventure, forever and ever. Probably everytime we choose to do something bad in this game is just like the character itself is good with it because if the players themselves let kris get the darkness he need to make a new world then why should he bother ripping his soul apart? With the "bad ending" route we are probably helping kris without even knowing it
@@nonhotrovatounnomemigliore9221 spoiler I think it’s the opposite. I think the SOUL is something transplanted by this worlds version of Gaster. Probably when Kris went into or towards the bunker at the bottom of the overworld map the first time. Which is referenced of handedly by snowdrake and monsterkid when you take susie down there. My theory is Gaster is trying to stop the world from ending while Kris (not the player) is trying to get the world to end so ralsei’s prophecy comes true. Whatever we do to the people doesn’t matter because as long as we accomplish the goal of closing the fountains. At least in Gasters point of view. The reason Kris keeps putting the heart back in is so Gaster and maybe sans who for whatever reason just moved into town don’t catch onto to them. A thing I’ve noticed every time I hear the prophecy is that the hero’s only appear after the world has been sent into ruin. Chapter 1 and two arnt us fulfilling the prophecy and closing the fountains. They are the lead up to the end of the world. Prequels if you will.
@@Lazy_Spade spoilers (oh well I think that people who are reading this kind of comments are already aware that they contains spoilers so I don't bother anymore to say it) well I think your is a good theory even if I can't understand why would kris keep his soul inside his body if that is what controll him. I think the soul is like a container and maybe the darkness kris summoned in the epilogue of the second chapter is a manifestation of the darkness inside his soul and maybe the soul have to stay inside the body to get darkness but when kris wnat to release that darkness he have to rip his soul away so that he can act freely and reveal his dark self
@@nonhotrovatounnomemigliore9221 I think the darkness is supposed to represent in a sense creativity and self expression, freedom. And the reason he keeps the soul inside him is because if he doesn’t however free he may be Gaster or whoever put the soul inside of them will track him down and put even harsher restrictions on them. It’s like if you borrow your parents car without them knowing . You have to put the both the keys and car back the way the were to be undetected. Also I’m not sure if kris put the heart back at the end of chapter two. The darkness blocked somethings out. So maybe they’re free now
That's not Kris' talking sound, they don't have one. It's the sound that plays when text appears without anyone saying anything (like examining stuff). Plus, it almost definitely isn't Kris who does that, it's us
Saying "It's horrible" isn't a cool thing to say. She is thinking that frying YOU is a horrible thing. Saying it's horrible means she isn't allowed to even think doing something bad to you. Saying it's natural isn't much better either
I know I'm extremely late but I just want to clarify. What she's most concerned about there isn't Kris saying it's okay or not; she's concerned about them replying to what she was thinking. We're literally invading her mind by answering - it doesn't matter what we say.
I have a lil headcnnon/theory on this, so ya know the first save file? it says: Kris but when you save, its YOUR name, like, THE PLAYERS NAME ITSELF! and at the end of chapter one.. (i think we all know this by now) you can sill control your soul! then at 19:29 it is stated that a voice unlike kris's voice was telling you what to do... something is wrong with our soul...OUR SOUL... its no matched with who we are supposed to be.. were supposed to be in our creation, our vessel... but somehow we ended up in kris's body instead... yet we choose to do these terrible things in this persons body, even if we dont know what happened in the time before... wait... remember the save file that had KRIS'S name on it?... if our name appears when we save, and kris, (the one we took over) has never been here before... and we are missing our VESSEL... did kris's soul end up in OUR body, and that save file was his??? who knows for sure, but thats just my idea on the whole ordeal...
Talking about "carry over ", Some of your choices in Chapter 1 DO actually have some impact in Chapter 2, even if minor: -if you don't meet Onion in CH 1, he will not appear tomorrow. -Not meeting Sans and then asking about his brother, he will be a bit suprised by the question, because...how the hell would you even know about his brother, anyway? -the trash machine you made will actually reappear in chapter 2, that was actually a really neat detail. -not really worth mentioning, but you keep the stuff you collected in the inventory. So... considering the MASSIVE implications the snowgrave route has (you know, cause Berdly very likely just DIED, and Noelle's psyche is already being affected by these events, even if maybe she's still not completely aware of it), not only i think the story will be heavily affected by it, but i have a bad feeling it's actually going to get even worse as we go...
Noelle being abused makes my blood fucking boil. Reminds me of my friends. Both the abusers, and a current friend in an abusive fam. She feels shes gotta "keep it together", and deny everything. I just fucking can't. Noelle needs therapy oh my god. Also on a side note the new susie x noelle content we've been fed in this chapter is the cutest fucking thing ever. If they become canon I will be over the fucking moon.
Tbh berdlie isnt dead hes just in coma or something. He was stuck in a dream that almost as reality. He wont wake up if he still stuck in that snowgrave so yea
@@defense82 in dark world he pretty much survives until the ice breaks with him in the real world however. *Starts the oven* Chicken or chicken nuggets
Holy…… WE ARE THE VOICE WE ARE EVIL KRIS IS NOT TRYING TO BE EVIL WHEN THEY RIP US OUT THEY ARE COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO STOP US CUZ AS YOU SAW WE CAN CONTROL MULTIPLE CHARACTERS NOT JUST KRIS, SO KRIS IS TRYING TO TAKE CONTROL SO THEY CAN SAVE EVERYONE
@@Narematto Let me propose you something: What if Kris is just testing the player? Even if we go pacifist, Kris still resist our influence. Maybe he opened up a fountain to test us again. And this still will work if the game has only 1 Ending. Pacifist: We pass the test and Kris fully accept us to control them, and will be more willing to react in the game, show more emotion to their friends. And probably we get to see their eyes, much like Susie in chapter 1 when she became kind. Genocide: We force Kris into submission. We took complete control over them. The act and item commands no longer shows "Kris used ___" but instead "YOU used ____"
@@mifigor1935 yeah, but in Undertale i'm “haha killing monsters goes brrr” but here is like “oh, I shouldn't do that” because that is going to have long-term consequences
@@betzyjag2959 Like having Berdly permanently have a coma which can be considered dead technically since he can’t do anything Edit: I just realized that means berdly can’t eat or drink so he’ll die cause of that
Up until Getting Noelle to join the party,you don't actually have to fight everyone. You can do a Recruiting Route up to then. The Snowgrave Route Really only starts once Noelle becomes a Party member.
Es triste que usemos a Noelle para nuestro beneficio como resolver puzzles más rápidamente, oh como veo "matar" a un alumno y amigo de Noelle, cuando juego undertale no me importaba la ruta genocida ni nada pero cuando juegue la ruta genocida o lo intente me sentí horriblemente mal y preferí hacer la pacifista, yo cuando vi que podías hacer esto y las ocasiones que te mandas es horrible y oscuro. Jamás pensé que pasaría eso....
Doflamingo: My power allows me to manipulate people's bodies Kris: I can manipulate my childhood friend to murder people. Doflamingo: Hey now I don't want any trouble
Actually, even Toby himself said Chapter 2 might be one of the LARGEST ones, as said here: "We gained a lot of experience working on this chapter. I believe it's the biggest chapter in the entire game in many ways. The cutscene count is the largest, the story involves many characters, and there are many other aspects that made it a challenging chapter. For next time, I think if we can expand the team a little more, then things will really kick off... maybe."
Frisk from the back: That's my boy, forcing a innocent person to watch and help you to your dirty job of killing every single monster, including that's person best friend at the end, and then corrupting and traumatizing this person forever, totally i thing I did and now you're following my steps, congratulations.
I mean, just at the start, the fact that Kris and susie and freely get in and out of the dark world at will, various other hints from chapter 1, already seals the idea well enough imo. But this new event solidifies another very important concept: that your actions DO HAVE consequences and repercussion.
@@irisinmars It was a legitimate question as of Chapter 1, but now we have MUCH MORE evidence that tells us that, yes, the Dark World IS a real place, and our actions have consequences/repercussions.
I hear about people doing this run and talking about Kris manipulating Noelle. But Kris isn’t manipulating Noelle. YOU ARE. Even if you’re just curious about what’ll happen you’re still the one manipulating her. Not only do you choose what you say/do, but Kris can’t read dialogue boxes. They don’t know what Noelle’s thinking if she doesn’t actually say it out loud. It’s just like how people blame Chara for doing genocide. That was YOU. Even if they got corrupted by the LV it was still you who caused it all- that’s where it all goes back to- the choices you make- not the character you’re controlling’s choices- Kris doesn’t make those choices (except for when they take out the soul)- Noelle isn’t really making those choices because she’s being manipulated. It’s all YOU.
I can see that (though idk what it would be if kris is enby), although this feels to me more like an old friend manipulating someone who can't stand up for herself.
@@teirlikestacos5864 I see it more as a toxic relationship, one in which one person in the couple tries to corrupt their partner for their own benefit.
@@k.n2574 Ahaha, yeahhh, I guess the only reason I see it as more of a friendship is with the dating shoes thing when Noelle says none of the things that "we're something else" implies sounds good. But like, I can also definitely see it being interpreted as a really abusive relationship as well.
I saw a comment before that said this. Noelle’s HP lowers to 55 because it’s a reference. What is the reference? In Roman Numerals, 50 is Capital L. 5 is Capital V. LV. LOVE. LEVEL OF VIOLENCE. Geez Toby, such a bone chilling fact. Such a genius! 😮😮
I am terrified of doing this route, but now I'm curious how it might affect the other dialogs. In the pacifist Onion mentions that he hears noises in the sea, and when we goes to the entrance that is below the cemetery Kriss panics, plus the dialogue of the boys .....
It seems.. Chara’s (or something about the player? Kris? I keep getting comments about that.. at this rate I say this is just my silly little theory, let's try to stay chill about this) finally bored of killing millions of innocents with his OWN hands.. now he’s more interested of corrupting other innocent people into doing the unforgivable, fucked up dirty work with blood on their hands instead.
@@panch3470 Chara even in the first game was corrupted by the players LV not even themselves Chara even tells you after multiple genocide routes to do literally any other route besides this
It's not only during battle. Certain events outside of battle (Ex: Your important choices like the FreezeRing and "It's Natural") will also sound the cue.
Chapter1 can collide with chapter2 If you make duck machine then roulxcards maybe have a duck machine too in chapter2? So if you do genocide in chapter2... Will it continue in chapter 3?
Predicting how route continues in Chapter 3: Since Kris and Susie (poor old goat mom Toriel) start in a new Dark World, at one point they could have to find a way out and head for the school to get Ralsei. But...what if we can choose to have Susie fetch Ralsei, while Kris can go get Noelle?
So basically in chapter 1 Kris was typical Kris till the ending and in chapter 2 he begins slowly changing without his (true heart ? )and us who controls just makes it worse . Seems dope time to wait 15 years if toby keeps releasing chapters every 3 years
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Can you believe that, in the SAME chapter that you can literally use an innocent child to cause harm to others, there is just stupid stuff like:
"Kris Get The Banana"
*gets the banana*
"Potassium"
This is toby fox for you
Ah yes, the toby fox doing toby fox things
I think that if you do the snowgrave route it skips the entire car scene with queen.
Wdym potassium is very important for your body
Kris get the banana
This genocide not only seems darker but using Noelle makes it worse. In undertale, we acted like Frisk /Chara but didn't involve anyone else in making those actions, and this is a lot worse and a lot to take in.
I can live with the blood of the entire underground on my hands but putting that on an impressionable, kind and passive being whose father is in the hospital? No thank you.
Frisk doesn’t object and just do whatever the player wants to do.
Chara on the other than was dragged along and couldn’t do anything to prevent it. But after each LV gain, the side affect of LV began to affect Chara and she slowly accept the route until she become corrupted at the end.
In Deltarune however, Noelle is being forced to kill and is gaining LV, which cause her to slowly corrupt as well.
and you actually get stronger here
that means it can get worse and worse as the chapters goes on
It’s fells worse because Ur forceing someone to do a genocide route
What in the actual fuck.
This is so fucking bizarre .
The way that they manipulate her even scaring her in the real world
Chapter 3 is gonna be tense for Noelle.
and possibly more characters
You know who is next on the line?
Toriel.
I can guaranteed you she will be joining the party at some point.
And who knows.. Maybe the player will make Tori learn a *FATAL* Spell in order to "Protect" Kris.
At the end, Kris will be Crying, in a Broken Home. (Spamton NEO Genocide dialogue.)
what happens if u don’t freeze him I really wanna know
Why u cuss bro
That just makes the fandom worse
@@tryp281 because its a very disturbing ending
This feels....like we went majorly off script and the game is trying to keep playing along. Like, we bypassed several event flags and glitched out the game. That this isn't every something that should be happening. Weird.
...You know, as much i'm disgusted with myself for the actions i did in this path, i also can't help but to feel intrigued by, like you said, the sensation that i'm no longer playing the game like it was supposed to be, as if i'm breaking the rules of this world, and yet finding a completely separate side of it i didn't know it could even exist.
Just look at Ralsei at 10:35, he clearly was expecting Kris to wonder about other characters, thus entering the "see what other characters are doing" like in Chapter 1....but now it just does not happen, and he can't understand why. At this point, the player is already playing by their own rules.
our actions arent supposed to do anything, but if other people are doing it then it kinda counts
Yeah and you inserted yourself in the game "Kris called Susie for help" "Kris called Ralsei for help" "You whispered Noelle's name"
@@alsartsavience3512 It's just a video game we can do whatever in it
@@mariotheundying And what's weird about this is that Kris whispers Noelle's name like they don't want Noelle to be involved anymore while also following the player's command.
So fun recently found fact, while you're talking to Noelle at the hospital, when it's all dark, you can actually move towards her by holding right, which makes Kris force her next to the wall before Susie comes out. You know, if you want to traumatize her just a little bit more.
I want to see that.
im just imagining noelle dad seeing this
Do you have a link?
*Twitter didn’t like that very much*
wow
PS: wooper is the best bi and you pfp is incredible
17:28 Toby missed the chance to say "He's out cold."
Toby, with his immense horrid pun making skills, should've obviously done that
3:20
The effect of LV is kicking in...
“A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others.”
We rarely see this take effect in Undertale since LV didn’t affect the Frisk, since the player is controlling them, just Frisk’s Stat. Plus, it doesn’t affect the Player either since it is completely their decision to do the route.
(Chara on the other hand was the one being dragged along and watch you kill every monster, and that gaining EXP and LV somehow also transfer to Chara, causing them to break down and become corrupt by the end).
But it is undoubtedly affecting Noelle...
You had a point.
This is worse.
She is distaning herself, but only because she thinks is Kris who is telling her what to do, her childhood friend.
She even comments how "Should we go look for more enemies?"
But I think she has not gained any LV, the darkeners and Berdly are merely frozen. If you see any other game, being Frozen is just a status effect that can be healed.
However, the fountain is sealed, the dark world is gone.
The darkeners and Berdly are going to rot away. And they will eventually Die.
At the moment they all die... Is when Noelle is gonna gain LV.
And she is gonna get all those execution points AT ONCE.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996
"She even comments how "Should we go look for more enemies?""
Kinda remind me of how Chara change their "determination quotes" to a counter of how many "enemies" are left to kill for the save point.
Also, I'm pretty sure that she is gaining EXP/LV due to it affecting her. First, she starts seeing the Darkners as Enemies, then she has an urge to electrocute Kris, and finally, nearly mistake Berdly as an enemy.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 oh god that’s an even worse fate if true.
LV does affect Frisk, what would be the point of introducing it?
In Waterfall, once you have high LV and punch the dummy, the narrator will state: "It felt good".
In pacifist it says:"You felt bad", clearly showing the difference from Geno Frisk and Pacifist Frisk.
Plus, in UT we accompany Frisk on their journey, us controlling them is no different as to any other RPG, the player is only major in Deltarune.
suddenly, "im with you in the dark" has a whole other meaning to it
Imagine its noelle singing the ending song lmao
gODDAMNIT THIS SOUNDS LIKE A THREAT FOR NOELLE NOW
It was fucking Chara singing, bet you that cake.
@@thegoldentomb No it wasnt lmao chara isnt even in this game, at most it was kris
She's literally with you in the dark during the last moments of the final boss.
This genocide is darker than Undertale one or we just got used to it...
Now genocide in Undertale doesn't seem that awful
True
That's true
In Undertale Genocide route, you’re basically a killer, and not seeing any major repercussions other than guilt.
This is because neither Frisk or the Player is experiencing the effect of LV.
Deltarune on the other hand, you can definitely tell that LV is affecting Noelle where she be beginning to become distant, and that it is becoming easier for her to hurt others.
It's because in Undertale, YOU are doing it.
In Deltarune, you cant kill anyone yourself. Thus, you need a proxy for your proxy, Noelle. And you're literally mind controlling her to do it too.
That's why it's worse. In Undertale Frisk becomes nothing more than your vessel in genocide mode, Noelle is her own person. She knows what she's doing is wrong, hates it, but literally CANNOT prevent herself from doing it.
*she's not the one in control*
Keep in mind we are also actively possessing Kris, and despite how anti-social he is (and also possibly the "knight" if Chapter 2 end is any indication) he seemingly doesn't actually want to kill anyone. You are making him attack people and watching as you control someone who might actually be his friend. That's why it's so much worse, because it actually IS way worse than UT's genocide, by a LOT.
@@twofaced2099 It's so weird to see someone using he/him pronouns for Kris despite them canonically using they/them pronouns
Toby actually said we didn't have control to guide our path, not other one's path.
Oh shet you right
I think this could as apply to kris, by the end of the game we find out that kris is the one summoning these fountains. But as we've seen in these two chapters, when the player gains control they seal the fountain again, like no matter what kris does, the player will change it.
@@Qrangg they could cut their own throat while free...
@@Qrangg you gotta wonder, your choices do have some effect, but, how much do they effect the ending of the game, multiple endings, or just one that is slightly different based on route
@@Qrangg Kris didn’t create the cyber world
I wanna see Lancers reactions on this route, from what I remember Lancer is always in your pocket and has lines about things you do
Lancer fells asleep when you start freezing people.
"Innocent boys are fast asleep"
Lancer Turned into stone statue when you started this route
@@wektor2.075 He only starts turning into a statue when he comes out of your pocket
@@rogerphone481 when i played genocide run and checked he was a mini statue inside Kris pocket
@@wektor2.075 oh guess i was wrong
also kris get the banana
". . . Though, kinda sucks Noelle has to forget, too"
*I*
*T h i n k*
*I t ' s*
*B e s t*
*I f*
*S h e*
*D o e s*
Noelle: Watch what happens when I cast a spell I don't know!
Berdly: **Chuckles** I'm in danger
It seems that Noelle does know the spell since it was snow made made berdly’s grave
@@defense82
That’s a lot of damage!
Did Berdly just straight up die or is he in a coma?
In anyway, this is still dark
This is why I always be nice to video game characters
Coma.
If you dont free him from the wires before beating Queen, he will complain in the Light World about his arm being asleep and being unable to move it- which means certain actions in the Dark World affect those in the light world.
So Berdly getting frozen and then the Dark World becoming deleted, essentially made him braindead- but not actually dead since he wouldve turned to dust in the Light World.
I believe it is likely the first on-screen example of a monster "Falling Down"
@@betabee1221 thx for the answer, but still this pretty dark
@@sergiobread1844 oh certainly. Tbh i was not expecting something like this route to even exist as a fully fleshed out thing
@@betabee1221 why does berdly's death, look like fox's shine?
@@zenloks_1735
i'm pretty sure berdly's armor and over all vibe in the game is based off starfox ?
bc he looks a lot like falco
I think Berdly soul was trapped at the cyber world, so only his body remains, thats dark
I have a feeling now that in the next chapter, Berdly wil be in a "coma" in the hospital.
I'd say that this theory may be become likely, if he's not in class at the beginning of the next chapter.
@@lochie2804, there’s not gonna be class, noelle’s dad said it was church
@@catalyst539 I kinda forgot/wasn't thinking some parts.
Now I wonder what will happen with Berdly in the next chapter.
Still kinda think that he'll be in a coma in the hospital.
But I guess if Toby is actually making it so that the outcome doesn't matter, then I assume Berdly will be "fine" next chapter.
@@lochie2804 If you inspect the closet room in the library... "A tall person can fit in."
I don't think Berdly is gonna be in the hospital.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 ok, now I don't think so as well
If you arnt wearing Noelle’s watch you get some more chilling diolouge where kris? Says: “It wasn’t a dream Noelle”
However, having the watch is worse.
Susie cames into scene interrupting the answer the player is giving. So, if you are not wearing the watch, she doesnt hear the "It wasnt a dream"
However, wearing the watch makes her notice it. It doesnt matter that Susie interrupts the answer, Noelle already knows it wasnt a dream.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 I don't want to seem like a grammar nazi, but it's watch in this case. Clock refers to objects such as an alarm clock, or a clock that you hang on the wall. Watch is for portable clocks, AFAIK
@@thecreatura993 not to be rude but i normally dont wear wall clocks so...
@@karmagaming2098 you don't? damn, am I the only one who wears one?
@@thecreatura993 i wear wall clock....
Its as if Emperor Palpatine was directing this chapter.
Emperor Palpatine: do it.
proceed.
@@NintendoNerd64 proceed.
Proceed.
@@orangetabby7122 proceed
Spy: Proceed.
i hope in other chapters what we do actually matters and if you start up chapter 3 with your chapter 2 save file it continues with the genocide route
Don't you mean what Others do?
@@manuelalbertoromero9528 if you do genocide in chapter 1 there isnt a difference in chapter 2 i just hope that if you do genocide in chapter 2 you continue the route in chapter 3
@@catdn7011 there are small differences in chapter 2 depending on what you did in chapter 1, like if you told Noelle that Susie eats chalk she will bring her a lunch box filled with chalk
I personally hope chapter 2 will be out on console
@@lovelycupid642 and also the machine that you make will appear in chapter 2
You can tell Kris feels bad because of what you're doing
Where?
"Susie: Yo.. kris, you, huh, okay? you look kinda..."
Ralsei: Aww Kris! if you're *HURT* Susie can heal you!"
Kris seems to be hurt, even after healing.
This route is only for psychopaths.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 At what point is that said? Don't see it.
@@adekaiwamisou Here 8:54
@@magma4488 I see your point, though it can be handwaved as him being hurt in the previous fights and she doesn't heal him to see he is still hurt after it so there is that.
Could be but could be not.
I feel like Susie will be a major antagonist in the genocide route. There are times when the game let's us decide her actions, but she disregards our input and does what she wants. She can't be controlled.
You mean in the first part of the first chapter
@@azarious644 There's most of chapter one. When you split up she goes with Ralsei asking "Why does Kris always get to decide?". Then when talking to Noelle her dialogue doesn't change no matter what options you pick.
Well, would ya listen to yourself or listen to some floating ass soul
Not to mention how pissed she would truly be if she found out what we were doing to Noelle 😭 she’s down bad
It's interesting how Kris will always be the antithesis of the player controlling them. In the Pacifist playthrough, the "real" Kris seems violent, subtly sadistic and enigmatic. In the Genocide playthrough, everyone talks about how Kris has "changed," implying the "real" Kris wasn't as malevolent before being controlled.
From what we can gather; Kris may be a prankster and rule breaker, but isn't heartless. We get tidbits of his story and how his relationships prior to Chapter 1 appear to be vaguely positive. He misses Asriel. He is pained by his mother and father's separation. He's pulled pranks on his family and friends. But does seem to care for freedom from our control. Regardless of route; Kris is aware and semi-powerless to stop our control. Only in night, as the antithesis of the Lightners can Kris break free of our control momentarily. Our soul seems to have a major drawback when he separates us from himself..
I get the idea that Kris is a town prankster, and deals with struggles such as being the only human in a world of monsters. And to have lost his self control by our presence only furthers his inner pain that we neglect. Only briskly seeing glimpses of his reactions in specific dialogue and secrets throughout the Dark World and real world.
Kris is mean-spirited, but he isnt evil tho
Kris is chaotic neutral
@@Hewhoroamstheinternet More like True Neutral
@@Polomance862 Kris uses they/them pronouns!
This is how the fandom saw the frisk/chara relationship.
Hahaha comedy platinum
I like how Berdly genuinely becomes the hero on this route. It makes me feel really terrible for him; watching him try stop Kris from making Noelle more evil.
It's not required to kill everything before meeting Noelle. the important thing is that you backtrack and kill everything when you get Noelle. Encounters previous to the trash heap do *not* matter.
Huh. Didn’t know that. You would’ve thought that was the case.
And you can recruit Mauswheel, Werewerewire, and Tasque Manager while on this route.
If only Noelle fights, then Kris's max HP is 158 when they fight Spamton NEO, but that isn't different enough from 160 HP to really matter.
@@JonnySpec You can't really recruit Mauswheel though because you need to recruit the sort of mice before that.
I actually found this one of the most interesting details in the route, for numerous reasons.
The little Gaster-ish bloop when you ”solve” the puzzles is so simple but sooo creepy
@@irisinmars 4:48 right there
as far as i still see it, the player controls all, we make them do what they dont want to do, (which justifies kris's soul ripping cutscenes) and this kinda disproves the theory of "oh its all fake whcih was made in ch1 since noelle has major memory of the dark world trauma, and berdly is in, well a concerning state. the characters 100% different entity's than the player, this isnt your game, they have their own mental states that your SOUL can decide for them, unwillingly.
Also remember "theres only one ending"
thats right, cause your choices dont matter.
I like your theory
Spoiler allert.
In the "good ending" cutscene, we see kris rip his soul and use a knife to fill the world with DARKNESS (within darkness lmao) so I have the theory that maybe kris love so much to be in thoose dream adventures with susie and ralsei that maybe he isn't ripping his soul away for escaping our controll but so he can be as dark as he need to create the darkness that will build another world, another adventure, forever and ever. Probably everytime we choose to do something bad in this game is just like the character itself is good with it because if the players themselves let kris get the darkness he need to make a new world then why should he bother ripping his soul apart? With the "bad ending" route we are probably helping kris without even knowing it
@@nonhotrovatounnomemigliore9221 spoiler
I think it’s the opposite. I think the SOUL is something transplanted by this worlds version of Gaster. Probably when Kris went into or towards the bunker at the bottom of the overworld map the first time. Which is referenced of handedly by snowdrake and monsterkid when you take susie down there.
My theory is Gaster is trying to stop the world from ending while Kris (not the player) is trying to get the world to end so ralsei’s prophecy comes true. Whatever we do to the people doesn’t matter because as long as we accomplish the goal of closing the fountains. At least in Gasters point of view. The reason Kris keeps putting the heart back in is so Gaster and maybe sans who for whatever reason just moved into town don’t catch onto to them.
A thing I’ve noticed every time I hear the prophecy is that the hero’s only appear after the world has been sent into ruin. Chapter 1 and two arnt us fulfilling the prophecy and closing the fountains.
They are the lead up to the end of the world. Prequels if you will.
@@Lazy_Spade spoilers (oh well I think that people who are reading this kind of comments are already aware that they contains spoilers so I don't bother anymore to say it)
well I think your is a good theory even if I can't understand why would kris keep his soul inside his body if that is what controll him. I think the soul is like a container and maybe the darkness kris summoned in the epilogue of the second chapter is a manifestation of the darkness inside his soul and maybe the soul have to stay inside the body to get darkness but when kris wnat to release that darkness he have to rip his soul away so that he can act freely and reveal his dark self
@@nonhotrovatounnomemigliore9221
I think the darkness is supposed to represent in a sense creativity and self expression, freedom.
And the reason he keeps the soul inside him is because if he doesn’t however free he may be Gaster or whoever put the soul inside of them will track him down and put even harsher restrictions on them. It’s like if you borrow your parents car without them knowing . You have to put the both the keys and car back the way the were to be undetected.
Also I’m not sure if kris put the heart back at the end of chapter two. The darkness blocked somethings out. So maybe they’re free now
Notice that after commanding noelle to use snowgrave you can hear kris’s talking sound.
They’re telling her to proceed, even though we can’t see it.
That's not Kris' talking sound, they don't have one. It's the sound that plays when text appears without anyone saying anything (like examining stuff). Plus, it almost definitely isn't Kris who does that, it's us
@@thecreatura993 thoooo when you give the gift to berdly you can hear a little "hum" from kris but that's the closest thing they have to a "voice"
help i cant hear it
@@kentucky_fc Dude no, that's from a video recording.
In the game, giving the gift to berdly doesn't include a "hum" sound
3:28
What does Noelle say if you pick “It’s horrible”?
I know it obviously cancels the genocide run. But I wonder if she says something sweet.
Actually the answer is the same and the genocide route continues
Saying "It's horrible" isn't a cool thing to say.
She is thinking that frying YOU is a horrible thing. Saying it's horrible means she isn't allowed to even think doing something bad to you. Saying it's natural isn't much better either
I know I'm extremely late but I just want to clarify. What she's most concerned about there isn't Kris saying it's okay or not; she's concerned about them replying to what she was thinking. We're literally invading her mind by answering - it doesn't matter what we say.
Everyone feels bad for Noelle but I feel bad for birdly they will have to find out at some point that he’s, gone.
21:06: If only Susie knew exactly what happened to her in THAT run...
I have a lil headcnnon/theory on this, so ya know the first save file? it says: Kris but when you save, its YOUR name, like, THE PLAYERS NAME ITSELF!
and at the end of chapter one.. (i think we all know this by now) you can sill control your soul! then at 19:29 it is stated that a voice unlike kris's voice was telling you what to do...
something is wrong with our soul...OUR SOUL... its no matched with who we are supposed to be..
were supposed to be in our creation, our vessel...
but somehow we ended up in kris's body instead...
yet we choose to do these terrible things in this persons body, even if we dont know what happened in the time before...
wait... remember the save file that had KRIS'S name on it?...
if our name appears when we save, and kris, (the one we took over) has never been here before...
and we are missing our VESSEL...
did kris's soul end up in OUR body, and that save file was his???
who knows for sure, but thats just my idea on the whole ordeal...
this is now canon to me
can’t change my mind
It should be theirs, Kris’s gender is not confirmed
@@defense82 true
@@irisinmars the first one of chapter 1
@@sarahplays2349 That’s something called a headcanon
Welcome to the Sith route of the game, where you pressue/bully other pepole into killing and joining the dark side..
Yeah major KOTOR 2 vibes here especially with the way Noelle seems to sort of black out during things like freezing the shopkeeper.
This makes kinda sense since Kris is the dark knight and i think the true Kriss is showing in this route
Me too, like the Knight was taking over
So Kris bullies strong guys into becoming insane murderers. What a plot twist!
I hope part 3 has carry over so this storyline can carry on
Talking about "carry over ", Some of your choices in Chapter 1 DO actually have some impact in Chapter 2, even if minor:
-if you don't meet Onion in CH 1, he will not appear tomorrow.
-Not meeting Sans and then asking about his brother, he will be a bit suprised by the question, because...how the hell would you even know about his brother, anyway?
-the trash machine you made will actually reappear in chapter 2, that was actually a really neat detail.
-not really worth mentioning, but you keep the stuff you collected in the inventory.
So... considering the MASSIVE implications the snowgrave route has (you know, cause Berdly very likely just DIED, and Noelle's psyche is already being affected by these events, even if maybe she's still not completely aware of it), not only i think the story will be heavily affected by it, but i have a bad feeling it's actually going to get even worse as we go...
@@alsartsavience3512 maybe there will be a branch of an ending, like there is no more evil fountains but Noelle is traumatized
3:18 Noelle... was thinking of murdering us..
Wow, this is like a creepypasta you only read about in weird forum posts.
*P R O C E E D*
Proceed with saying proceed
*P R O C E E D*
All fun and games until the quiet kid in class starts saying
*P R O C E E D*
Edit: wait I just realized that's literally what's happening LMAO
Get it
Get it
Get it
GET it
GET IT
You deer
* K-Kris I-i can't I...
_snd_icespell.ogg_
Noelle redemption arc, and she will figure it out..........
*or will she become like flowey?*
that's unlikely since this isn't a Undertale 2
She will only get one if the player allows her to
IF she does figure it out...
We all know she's gonna end up dead right?
Maybe they will revolt against the player in the end...?
Noelle being abused makes my blood fucking boil. Reminds me of my friends. Both the abusers, and a current friend in an abusive fam. She feels shes gotta "keep it together", and deny everything. I just fucking can't. Noelle needs therapy oh my god. Also on a side note the new susie x noelle content we've been fed in this chapter is the cutest fucking thing ever. If they become canon I will be over the fucking moon.
Tbh berdlie isnt dead hes just in coma or something. He was stuck in a dream that almost as reality. He wont wake up if he still stuck in that snowgrave so yea
He’ll die in a few days cause of starvation and dehydration
@@defense82 in dark world he pretty much survives until the ice breaks with him in the real world however.
*Starts the oven*
Chicken or chicken nuggets
BIoshock all over again. "Would you kindly freeze this bird Noelle ?"
Holy…… WE ARE THE VOICE WE ARE EVIL KRIS IS NOT TRYING TO BE EVIL WHEN THEY RIP US OUT THEY ARE COMING UP WITH A PLAN TO STOP US CUZ AS YOU SAW WE CAN CONTROL MULTIPLE CHARACTERS NOT JUST KRIS, SO KRIS IS TRYING TO TAKE CONTROL SO THEY CAN SAVE EVERYONE
Not at all he is evil because in pacifist he open the dark fountain.
Kris rips the soul out even if we don't do the killing
@@shookengie370, chap1 he did because pie
chap2 he did because d a r k k n i g h t i s k r i s
@@Narematto Let me propose you something:
What if Kris is just testing the player?
Even if we go pacifist, Kris still resist our influence.
Maybe he opened up a fountain to test us again.
And this still will work if the game has only 1 Ending.
Pacifist: We pass the test and Kris fully accept us to control them, and will be more willing to react in the game, show more emotion to their friends. And probably we get to see their eyes, much like Susie in chapter 1 when she became kind.
Genocide: We force Kris into submission. We took complete control over them. The act and item commands no longer shows "Kris used ___" but instead "YOU used ____"
Yeah heres the thing in this route true Kris is showing
Kris? Why are you wearing my watch?
In that moment, kris knew. He F up on purpuse. Poor Noelle
Bruh, when does this became in a horror game? Like, all this stuff is a little disturbing
It always does that when you do genocide
@@mifigor1935 yeah, but in Undertale i'm “haha killing monsters goes brrr” but here is like “oh, I shouldn't do that” because that is going to have long-term consequences
@@betzyjag2959 Like having Berdly permanently have a coma which can be considered dead technically since he can’t do anything
Edit: I just realized that means berdly can’t eat or drink so he’ll die cause of that
Up until Getting Noelle to join the party,you don't actually have to fight everyone. You can do a Recruiting Route up to then. The Snowgrave Route Really only starts once Noelle becomes a Party member.
My esteemed customer I see your attempting to deplete my HP. Why yes i am thank you.
7:43
this sound effect gives me "chills"
Undertale makes me feel bad for hurting the others
Deltarune makes me feel bad for forcing the others to do something
So, if you die in the realm, you die irl...
Poor birdly
He is not dead since he's a monster he would have turned to dust he's probably in a coma or something
@@wisp3591 or in a state called "fallen down"
If Noelle is in a fighting game he would be A straight unnerfable S tier
now everytime i see or hear the word "proceed" im getting genocide thoughts
Proceed.
@@RalseiTheGoat you madlad
Proceed the proceeding chain
@@desnoanimations3751 proceed.
Es triste que usemos a Noelle para nuestro beneficio como resolver puzzles más rápidamente, oh como veo "matar" a un alumno y amigo de Noelle, cuando juego undertale no me importaba la ruta genocida ni nada pero cuando juegue la ruta genocida o lo intente me sentí horriblemente mal y preferí hacer la pacifista, yo cuando vi que podías hacer esto y las ocasiones que te mandas es horrible y oscuro.
Jamás pensé que pasaría eso....
joder por fin un comentario en español
El Wei ese no murió,se quedó congelado en el mundo oscuro y por eso no pudo despertar
Soy exactamente lo contrario, me gusta el genocidio
@@helpmeplx1739 a mi también me gustaba pero... me sentí horrible en deltarune chapter 2
Same
Noelle learned Freeze β
More like Ω
Berdly is actually trying to help noelle in this route. Nice
Imagine what will happen when Susie finds out about this...
"The roaring"
Aot fan:thats sound awfully familiar
16:30 He's okay. He just needs pottasium!
And some seasonings, he tastes awful
Doflamingo: My power allows me to manipulate people's bodies
Kris: I can manipulate my childhood friend to murder people.
Doflamingo: Hey now I don't want any trouble
The snow grave ending feels like a creepy pasta that is real
Man, good to see you back but you won't be staying too long because chapter 2 isn't that long. Sad :(
@@Cosmicdev58 How'd you get the watch?
@@Cosmicdev58 Got it, thanks.
Snowgrave is shorter than normal route
@@EeveeShadowBacon
The watch is her basic equipment which you can unequip
Actually, even Toby himself said Chapter 2 might be one of the LARGEST ones, as said here:
"We gained a lot of experience working on this chapter. I believe it's the biggest chapter in the entire game in many ways. The cutscene count is the largest, the story involves many characters, and there are many other aspects that made it a challenging chapter. For next time, I think if we can expand the team a little more, then things will really kick off... maybe."
Spamton: hey is it cold in here or is it just me?- *dies*
Ah yes deltarune's genocide/no mercy/snow mercy/snowgrave/weird/pipis route
Frisk from the back: That's my boy, forcing a innocent person to watch and help you to your dirty job of killing every single monster, including that's person best friend at the end, and then corrupting and traumatizing this person forever, totally i thing I did and now you're following my steps, congratulations.
2 generations of utter sociopaths
Well that was dark. I think that the voice Noelle was hearing was Kris’s dark form,Like when he rips his soul out of his body.
no that was your voice, you're the one who's choosing to make her do this.
@@rand0m170 Yeah I’m thinking Kris’s dark form is us.
But it’s confusing,when are we going to see the character the we made.I mean we have to see it right ?Or is it discarded for sure?
@@sansationalUT only Toby knows at this point
toby: make deltarune for people to be chill and relax
people: genocide go brr brr
Toby: Fine. Have ur genocide route in chapter 2. Be careful what you wish for
16:20
*When the reindeer is suspicious*
I guess it cant be a game if berdly is actually dead... Does that mean the whole dark world thing is really happening?
I mean, just at the start, the fact that Kris and susie and freely get in and out of the dark world at will, various other hints from chapter 1, already seals the idea well enough imo.
But this new event solidifies another very important concept: that your actions DO HAVE
consequences and repercussion.
@@alsartsavience3512 i think the “your choice don’t matter” is directed at the real kris since we’re, the player, are in control
@@irisinmars It was a legitimate question as of Chapter 1, but now we have MUCH MORE evidence that tells us that, yes, the Dark World IS a real place, and our actions have consequences/repercussions.
@@irisinmars that it is not a game that susie and kris are playing
so berdly is just gonna fucking stay there until someone-- someone finds his body??? jeez, thats major fucked up
Berdly: N-Noelle Look! Kris is down *snaps Noelles neck* berdly: I feel better :D
So... We just became Ozai?
And Noelle just became Azula?
Bullying Noelle 2: Cryogenic boogaloo.
Fun fact: when i speed up the hospital music it sounds like Jevil theme. For a little bit
I hear about people doing this run and talking about Kris manipulating Noelle. But Kris isn’t manipulating Noelle. YOU ARE. Even if you’re just curious about what’ll happen you’re still the one manipulating her. Not only do you choose what you say/do, but Kris can’t read dialogue boxes. They don’t know what Noelle’s thinking if she doesn’t actually say it out loud. It’s just like how people blame Chara for doing genocide. That was YOU. Even if they got corrupted by the LV it was still you who caused it all- that’s where it all goes back to- the choices you make- not the character you’re controlling’s choices- Kris doesn’t make those choices (except for when they take out the soul)- Noelle isn’t really making those choices because she’s being manipulated. It’s all YOU.
My head canon is that noelle is partially.. and very faintly (maybe) kinda. BI for Kris.. maybe. But that’s just a theory A GAME THEORY!!
I can see that (though idk what it would be if kris is enby), although this feels to me more like an old friend manipulating someone who can't stand up for herself.
more like a GAY THEORY
@@teirlikestacos5864 I see it more as a toxic relationship, one in which one person in the couple tries to corrupt their partner for their own benefit.
@@k.n2574 Ahaha, yeahhh, I guess the only reason I see it as more of a friendship is with the dating shoes thing when Noelle says none of the things that "we're something else" implies sounds good. But like, I can also definitely see it being interpreted as a really abusive relationship as well.
@@teirlikestacos5864 That's a good point.
Me: *Hasnt played on Snowgrave route yet*
Also Me: *Realizing Berdly is dead*
I saw a comment before that said this.
Noelle’s HP lowers to 55 because it’s a reference. What is the reference?
In Roman Numerals, 50 is Capital L. 5 is Capital V.
LV. LOVE. LEVEL OF VIOLENCE.
Geez Toby, such a bone chilling fact. Such a genius! 😮😮
I am terrified of doing this route, but now I'm curious how it might affect the other dialogs.
In the pacifist Onion mentions that he hears noises in the sea, and when we goes to the entrance that is below the cemetery Kriss panics, plus the dialogue of the boys .....
you be using noelle like a item
item:freeze bomb
It seems.. Chara’s (or something about the player? Kris? I keep getting comments about that.. at this rate I say this is just my silly little theory, let's try to stay chill about this) finally bored of killing millions of innocents with his OWN hands.. now he’s more interested of corrupting other innocent people into doing the unforgivable, fucked up dirty work with blood on their hands instead.
How do you know is chara they haven't even appeared yet
@@panch3470 Chara even in the first game was corrupted by the players LV not even themselves Chara even tells you after multiple genocide routes to do literally any other route besides this
It's not that you're bored, it's that in this world, your choices don't matter. So convince others to make different choices.
The music at 19:00 sounds like Gaster's music if sped up
this one? 19:15
In my playthrough I didn't kill anyone untill and after chapter with Noelle(except final boss). It's only pass with Noelle is mandatory
"WE JUST ACTUALLY SAVED THE WORLD" Lets say. The light world just got saved
All these people in the comments wanting to put the blame on Kris instead of taking responsibility as the player smh
god not to make an intentional pun or anything but the effects of snowgrave and just this route in general is literally so chilling... ☹️
Why does this sound play at the end of the battle? 0:58
What I mean is the last sound of it.
Since it plays at other times in the route, I guess its a signal that you are still on the snowgrave path.
@@bepisqueen7221 Thank you!
It's not only during battle. Certain events outside of battle (Ex: Your important choices like the FreezeRing and "It's Natural") will also sound the cue.
@@anyapeanutlover Okay, I was just wondering. Thanks!
Bruh it's bizarre.
Maybe in chapter 3 We going to make Noelle kill more peoples... Creppy.
the plot of frozen in a nutshell
I would like to see further emotional manipulation
It would also be cool to see how people notice Kris is acting off
This is even more terrible than being seen as a monster to everyone
Nice I remember the line asgore said now
"Excuse me, but what kind of monster are you?"
- Asgore
like the outro bud
wait I just notice that kris is really create the new fountain cuz of the queen said about the blade
Chapter1 can collide with chapter2
If you make duck machine then roulxcards maybe have a duck machine too in chapter2?
So if you do genocide in chapter2...
Will it continue in chapter 3?
Si nuestras decisiones no importan entonces usemos a alguien más cuyas decisiones importen
Help Im frozen and i cant move
Looks like another ending to a game i will never get, because i care about the characters
Predicting how route continues in Chapter 3: Since Kris and Susie (poor old goat mom Toriel) start in a new Dark World, at one point they could have to find a way out and head for the school to get Ralsei. But...what if we can choose to have Susie fetch Ralsei, while Kris can go get Noelle?
Either that or kris made a whole in the house causing smoke to come out of the ground.
@@Crystal-nj6kk what was in that "hole" anyway? a stove?
@@someonecalledkyle9704 in my head theory, I think Kris created a dark fountain
@Kiệt Quách you know our toby :)
Noelle Having crush on Susie
Its the cuttiest thing ever
This is truly snow grave
So basically in chapter 1 Kris was typical Kris till the ending and in chapter 2 he begins slowly changing without his (true heart ? )and us who controls just makes it worse . Seems dope time to wait 15 years if toby keeps releasing chapters every 3 years
I hope noell is the secret or final boss of the next chapter
Kris could even have an act where he tells noell to stop and the battle immediately ends