We will never know the outcome if ND had 11 guys in the last play. However, we do know that they gave up a 65 yard drive with only 1.25 on the clock. This includes conversions of 3rd and 10, 4th and 7, and 3rd and 19. And those were with 11 guys on the field.
Couldn't have put it any better myself. You know, at that point, everything up to that was. The story of the game to be truthful. You almost knew ohio state was gonna make that touch down at that
It can’t be the pick because OSU dropped a much easier pick-6 on Hartman’s screen pass (last offensive possession). It was coaching. How do you take Estime out and call a screen pass in the first place? The numbers say run and make OSU use their last TO. Freeman went on 4th and 1 twice cause he said he’s a numbers guy. This game is on the coaches.
@@justinwebb4644 Coaches don’t play, sure. But when was the last time you saw such consistently egregious coaching undermining a supreme athletic effort in a top 10 game? Bench nations leading rusher in clutch moments of the game when he was piling up yards, screen pass, 3-man rush on 3rd and 19, 10 players on the field twice where players almost overcame bad coaching, i.e., phenomenal pass breakup by number 20 in the end zone and they almost stopped the touchdown run. Come on, this one is on the coaches.
@@TSArmadillo100% and the fans who don’t see that are honestly what I despise about Notre Dame. If you can’t blame the coaches for this you literally never can. This is AS BAD AS IT GETS.
I watch every single ND media on YT and I swear I haven’t been able to get through a single one of these post game shows cause the feeling sucks that bad!
They were holding Ohio State's offense to 10 pts and Freeman said in his post-game that they collectively said you know what, why don't we change what has been working all game for this last drive and try and confuse their qb. Why?!? That's coaches letting the moment get too big.
First and foremost im a die hard Buckeye fan and have been my entire life. I was watching buckeye recap videos and this popped up during autoplay. I just wanted to say you guys are a breath of fresh air. Really good takes and just honest. I've always liked Notre Dame as a program and because most Notre Dame fans hate Michigan. Just wanted to say that was a very tough loss but a historically awesome game to watch. You guys will rebound and hopefully can win out to make the playoffs. I'm not blind, I realize my Buckeyes have a very long way to go if they want to compete in the playoffs, but if we both make it I'd love to see a rematch! Good luck next week versus duke!
Appreciate that , as a Notre Dame fan. Tough, Tough loss. Good luck to Buckeyes. Was a great game I agree. Your a very classy fan and great sportsmanship.
I am really impressed with the long-term persistence of faithful Buckeye fans. I am a much older Notre Dame graduate of Generation X. I remember when Ohio State was in the "down" phase being dormant for years at a time. When I was at Notre Dame from 1987-1991, Ohio State was NEVER in national contention as I recall. They were just a middle-of-the-pack Big 10 team like Indiana or even Illinois. By contrast, the main Big 10 rivals for Notre Dame were Michigan and Michigan State. When ND beat the Wolverines in 1987 coached by the late Bo Schembechler, the game ended around 5:30 PM. So, many students went to the dining hall and had a massive food fight in celebration of the win. It was absurd because I witnessed it as a young Domer. The point is that Ohio State fans should be commended for staying faithful in between the "good years" when dormancy persisted for decades. Now, I know Ohio State is back in prominence and expected this to be a tough game. As a realist, I was surprised it was close. My opinion is that Notre Dame football is ahead of schedule in "rebuilding". Notre Dame looks better this year than last year - but obviously there is room for improvement. I think the expectations would be higher 2 to 3 years from now. Right now, there can still be a good season. As for Ohio State, the showdown with the Wolverines should be epic. If they survive that then they may have to play my other Alma Mater, Florida State, in the CFP. I got master's degrees at both FSU and UF, so I can usually count on one of them picking up where ND ends on the CFP hunt.
So refreshing to hear from a reasonable Buckeye fan. I wrote that Ohio State was the better team Saturday night, and yet I still got shade from Buckeye fans. Notre Dame fans can be arrogant at times also. It just seems like the majority of Ohio St. fans have zero respect for a team that took them down to basically the final play. A great, hard-fought, instant classic of a game by two teams who very well could face each other again. Hats off to Ohio State. One hell of a talented team. If the Irish and Buckeyes played 10 times, you get the feeling they'd split 'em.
@@OldIrishFan1966 yah unfortunately Ohio States fan base is full of a large amount of ignorant assholes. They really give us all a bad reputation, but you will have that. We also have a vast majority of fans that will complain about not beating ND or any other team by 5 tds instead of just being happy to escape with a win. Unfair expectations almost every year tbh. ND has a super difficult schedule this year so I'm thinking if you guys can pull off running the table you have a chance to make the playoffs. I know that not having a conference championship always hurts ND at the end of the year but this year seems pretty wide open. I honestly don't feel like there is one super elite team like Georgia was last year. So I'll be cheering you all on to win out! GO BUCKS ! GO IRISH!
Tough, tough way to get a learning lesson, (for players and coaches). Now its "gut check" time for the rest of the season. I believe that ND believes and they will rise to the occasion. Ben Morrison is an absolute stud. Onward Notre Dame!
Well, i am huge fan of this show! What i call Mike and Mike . However, being still really pissed off about how the game ended i can’t have rehashed . Sorry guys look forward to next week! ☘️
If the OC just had the presence of mind to run 3 times when ND got the first down at the 31 we would have depleted all Buckeye time outs and clock. Even if we didn’t get the first down we would have pinned them back to have to travel the whole field with no time outs in under a minute.
Had Hartman thrown the screen pass a little higher , it was going to go for a touchdown. Go back and look at the play, Price had a wall of blockers down the sideline.
In the first quarter when ND was deciding whether to go for a first down or kick a field goal I felt, I KNEW they would need a field goal to win. They chose the first down try. The second huge mistake was not having 11 men on the last TWO plays of the game. Someone on the coaching staff needs to be fired. I am livid discusted have been a loyal fan since 1960, I can't . will not accept any more stupid unnecessary decisions. I am 81 and have not been able to sleep since that game ended. Don't disappoint me again
Easy to say what the correct decision was after the fact. No different then the 4th Downs OSU didn't get. If they made the 1st then it was excellent play calling but if they don't get it then the call was horrible. It's high stakes gambling with real life consequences.
I think it has not been discussed, but it seemed to me we should not have called timeout after the grounding. We had the momo and we gave OSU time to regroup AND then we came out of timeout in max coverage. I actually think if we had not called timeout Golden would have stayed with pressure. Possibly Marcus told him to be conservative during timeout. My point is it was the calling of the timeout that was the source of the problem.
ND handed Ohio state that game. Everything was going NDs way and coaching screwed it up for those kids.... and grown ass man (Sam George Harrison Hartman). Run it all 2nd half and osu can't stop then go away from it when you need to run the clock out? Then 10 men on the field on the last two plays? Damn. I feel bad for Irish fans. Great game. Go Bucks!
Thank you Goolsby. It’s unthinkable. Unfreakingbelievable. I mean why is this the reality of ND fan? I’m only 25 so I haven’t really been around to see much… this is the worst I’ve been around for by far
Make no mistake, the coaches lost this game. Obviously the players made mistakes, that happens every game; however, the mistakes the coaches made were ginormous and led to OSU winning in the final 3 seconds.
@@waynecourt5970 dude, there is zero comparison. We had 10 guys on the field for the final 2 plays, and the ball was ran right where we were missing a lineman. That is gross negligence and that level of fuck up would get any normal person fired from their job. That’s the equivalent of a doctor misdiagnosing lung cancer as a seasonal cough because he didn’t wanna get imaging done of the chest. That’s the equivalent of a lawyer accidentally telling the jury his client is guilty. That’s the equivalent of a chef failing to cook chicken properly and giving everyone in the restaurant salmonella poisoning. Don’t even come in here acting like the mistakes the ND coaches made are equivalent to the mistakes the OSU coaches made.
I’ve been absolutely dejected all day. I liked the new offensive plays but I was extremely disappointed in the OC’s play calling on ND’s last drive. Those plays were much too conservative. Parker played NOT TO LOSE rather than playing to win. Despite the success in the second half, Parker had no faith in our offense. Very sad.
@@josephmoya5098 That's the issue of having a new head coach. Ryan Day was a new head coach but he also had a lot of experience running offenses beforehand. So he is decent at situational awareness and calling timeouts, getting plays in on time, and the general flow of the game. Some coaches are good at it and some aren't. Look at James Franklin from Penn State, he is still bad at calling timeouts and time management and he has a lot of experience screwing it up.
@@roris5882 The real issue was the pass on second down. If you run it there, you chew clock. I am sure Freeman went with Parker's decision because he is new and trusts his ACs. That was a mistake. Basically, the coaching issue this week was trusting your ACs to much. He needs to learn to trust but verify. Make sure the analytics agrees with their decisions.
@@josephmoya5098 Like most coaches, he out thought himself by trying not to be too predictable instead of calling what works and the team is good at. Hartman was the featured player on the offense and he was completing most of his short throws. So the coach probably figured Hartman would make an easy pitch and catch pass and get a huge gain, putting the game out of reach. If it worked then he's a genius that has trust in his players but if it doesn't then he sux as a play caller because he made a horrible call in a key moment. That happed to both teams on most of the 4th Downs that were failed attempts.
I still think the 3rd and 19 play was the most crucial play....how can you let that happen!!! Also, running Hartman on 4th down runs when you have a few REALLY good running backs!!
They blew the best opportunity for a statement win in a long time. I had faith in Sam Hartman…No more. He’s good against average competition. Wouldn’t shock me if we lose the next three games. Duke on their turf, a trap game at Louisville (which sadly I bought tickets for), and our arch nemesis USC. Last night was a kick in the nuts. They will never…EVER face a down Ohio State team like that again.
Man, your nuts are probably so tender right now you're probably wondering will you ever recover. I have news for you. These nuts of yours, being that they are super tender at the present moment, are such that you must be EXTRA careful going into Duke because Duke loves ❤️ kicking nuts when they are super sore. This is where they get their name, Duke which is German for when your enemies nuts are sore, they are vulnerable. The only thing you can do is put on a cup, and pray 🙏 that it doesn't happen again. Because getting kicked in the nuts while they're still super tender is a death kick. We can NOT afford to have this happen. The double over will leave you writhing in pain. So what to do? Pray 🙏. And double up on the cup. This will help mitigate. OK? Okay good, thanks. Go Irish!!
I think the biggest thing getting overlooked is that Hartman was about to take a delay of game call in the last drive for the irish I believe, which made freeman use a big time out. For a 5th year senior that can't happen, too many mistakes all way around
Yes. By contrast, I remember when Ohio State won the first CFP with a third-string quarterback. I also remember when Alabama benched their starter and went with Tua in the 2nd half of a championship game for a surprise victory with mostly freshmen on a clutch winning play. Hartman made mistakes and appears to be injured from the sheer accumulation of "experience". The net effect is that he is kind of slow like on that run around the end to try and make first down which he failed. Hartman is good but not great. I was there when Tony Rice won the championship for ND.
Both teams made mistakes. I don't like Irish fans because of comments like yours. How about saying we held an elite team to 17 points. Notre Dame is now elite
I was there and there was a combo between Sam and the WR’s. Some missed open guys he didn’t see, and wr’s had some tough time getting open. Don’t have top speed yet on the outside… soon though
Notre Dame is a good team and definitely should have won this game. With that said people acting like Notre Dame controlled the game are crazy. Ohio State should have never trailed in this game.
Missed scoring opportunities in first half.. Irish should of been up at least 6-3 at half.. ran all over Ohio state.. held Ohio state to a average carry of a little over 2 yards a rush attempt if you take out the 61 yard touchdown. Everyone has opinions
@@jefferybrockman3252 Yeah that 30 something yards rushing the first half was dominating… Ohio State with 3 failed 4th down conversions while in field goal range… penalty that killed a drive, on a guy finishing a block, right after Notre Dame had scored… Notre Dame ran the ball great in the second half but that second score was on a tired defense. Ohio State moved the ball the whole game.
Ohio st fan here, coaching on offensive plays on both sides was 🗑️ . Defense for both was extremely impressive. Notre Dame you can still make the playoffs
@@NDependentColts No, OSU is not a really good team. Their QB is Notre Dame quality (Rees, Book, etc). They will lose at least two games this season. USC hasn't looked that great? The scores of their games are: 56-28 66-14 56-10 42-28 They've won every game--and none against DII HBCU or service academies--by at least two TDs.
@@brianwalsh7352 that’s disingenuous and misleading as hell lol… Nevada (0-4), San Jose State (1-4), Stanford (1-3) and Arizona State (1-3) with our old QB, Drew Pyne. They have DEFINITELY shown chinks in the armor and not looked like a complete team. They could very well lose 2+ games this season and that defense does not look elite, or equivalent to an OSU defense in any way.
The conversions don’t matter. Period. That’s what great elite athletes do….we also stopped them too multiple times….even with 10. Goolsby hit the nail on the head. The last 4 mins were a colossal failure by the coaching staff. Blitzing your best corner against their strong side leaving Ebuka wide open is and was a terrible call. Inside 4 minutes we also decided to try a pass coming off a FIVE yard sack with 2:40 left….run the dam ball. That’s clearly SITUATIONAL football experience and we caved. There’s was ZERO FKN excuse to run 3/4 straight pass plays after your DEFENSE just balled out and they need a TD to win….you take the fkn time outs away from that offense. At worst on 2&15 is you don’t get any yards (which to me we were running the ball so dam good it’s not unlikely we break off 7+ yard gain) they burn a timeout and then you make them burn the last one on 3rd. Point is, they don’t get to call a time out to avoid a 10 sec run meaning the last play never happens. Colossal failure inside 4 mins….
We had osu primed and ready to get blown out from the start of the game. Running the ball on 1st down must be part of Estime NIL deal. Osu showed their hand to stop him on 1st down. Play action pass Tyree or Merriweather with crossers would have buckled osu at the knees. They gave ND run on 2nd down almost all night
Yeah this has been a problem all year. You brought in a guy who can keep the D honest let him throw the ball a little bit. If you believe in the line and Estime so much you can run him on 2nd and 10.
Sure, and OSU constantly ran on 2nd and long for some reason. What's that mean? Neither staff preformed at peak . ND still has all its team goals in place, as would of OSU had ND won, the margin for error just got smaller for ND.
Ohio State fans are no different than any other fan base. You have based, biased, bad, stoopid. The emotional waves that a fan goes through on a game like that is incredible, and measurable. Some fans regardless of situation, quality of opponent are very seldom going to appreciate the nuance of why plays work or dont work and just watching games once live with the emotion raw, and listening to tv broadcasters help to keep people ignorant of what is actually happening and why. Good game, both teams played alright. I really didnt see just awesome football from either team. It does appear ND is on an upward trajectory despite some curious calls by staff. But that doesnt mean OSU coached a great game either, they didnt. Both teams played with great effort. A lot of coaching still to do, and it is fun to watch teams grow through a season. Both teams need improving to reach their goals
Lou Holtz deliberately said what he said out of character and that was the demise of the Irish against T H E ! Hotz has always poor mouthed his school and their teams but not against T H E. I just looked at Notre Dame 's roster; they have 24 graduate senior students on their football team, including the starting quarterback ! Despite all those experienced players they still couldn't beat us and haven't done so since 1936 ! Tell lou holtz to come to Columbus and apologize !!!
@@toddvandenberghe9882 todd I'm waiting for the pussies in ann arbor play a great team like T H E does ! Michigan refuses to play top 5 and 10 teams ! Y'all still remember App State don't you ?
We knew when we accepted Marcus Freeman as HC that there would be a learning curve for him. ND is his 1st HC job. The reason why he was brought in originally as DC was to help ND improve its recruiting. MF has done that. Our guys were able to go one-on-one for most of the game against OSU's 5 star players. OSU struggled against us. Granted I agree that the last 4.5 minutes of the game were mismanaged by the ND coaches, but I see it as a learning curve issue for MF than as a "time to get a new HC." MF has shown that he can learn from his mistakes, but for the next year or so, I can see him getting outcoached by more experienced coaches, especially when playing against top competition. Last year, he was outcoached by Marshall's HC, who was an experienced HC. This year ND has won the games ND is supposed to. I feel that MF is taking ND to the next level, to being a Bonafide NC contender. It may take a bit longer than we hoped.
On that 62 yard run coming out of the half, why has no one noted that the reason that back was free and clear was because the receiver "blocking" for the runner (Harrison?) had his hands in the bottom of the facemask of our guy. Our guy was not "blocked"; watch the replay--fingers in the bottom of the facemask prevented our guy from breaking loose to even try to get to that runner who blew right by him. No flag, but it was not our defender's faulty.
Even with this 11th man it’s not a D tackle it’s someone in the back field. ND guessed wrong on the side they’d run to, because obviously you stopped OSU to the right and the throw the play before was to the right. So idk if the 11th man changes the game anyways. Plus you give them the penalty it’s lit a easy push Kyle McCord in. Defense guessed wrong side. That’s all it comes down to. Embuka the OSU WR droppped a easy TD so both teams made mistakes. You gotta give it to OSU they out manned ND.
As an osu fan nd is for real this year...that team seems different ...hold your head up high cause that was a game now...as an osu fan I'm glad we have a bye week cause we need it after that game
Coaches used the backs great, he’s was struggling. However, we bruised them, they were tired, the possession before our last pretty much was the mail in coffin for osu. Anyone with eyes could tell, the Notre dame oline took there soul. So, that last possession should have just been estime…..you go bang bang 10+ yards plays. You gotta continue that, and it think they got busted being casual and NOT careful.
Lou didn't say anything wrong? Let's examine it. He didn't say "OSU lost to....." In the full context he was saying "ND has a better team BECAUSE OSU lost to....." He says the reasons ND has a better team than OSU is because OSU lost to GA. Ok, ND is 0-3 against GA. Also because OSU lost to Bama. Ok, ND lost their last 2 matchups to Bama. Also because OSU lost to Mich. Ok, ND lost their last 7 of 11 to Mich. Also because OSU lost Clemson. When, 2019? They beat them last time they played. Ok, ND had to wait for Trevor Lawrence to be out to win then lost 2/3 to them. I'm sorry but you're just wrong on that.
I was at presentation Saturday before game by swarbrick, he stated they were dispersing OSU fans throughout the stadium so they didn't have a big red block.
Notre Dame also lost because we were more casual than careful. When you have the OFFENSIVE line that we have, and you have the stable of running backs we have, fkn go wildcat. Go power I te overload. Go power I fullback dive…go Jalen hurts with Payne and have two meat heads no matter who they are do the Eagles push. Point is, Sam Hartman is a pretty boy. Nothing wrong with that. This is the best offensive line we’ve had in ten years and they were having they’re way…..we were to casual with our calls. We were not CAREFUL. Meaning, you got one run, one play it’s OHIO FUCKING STATE. If your going to lose you lose with your best. Period. Casual is walking away from the game knowing we lost bc we decided not one but twice to give our qb a ball.
After listening to this podcast it sounds like Bertrand struggled the most. I didn’t think about but yeah he’s the Mike he’s gotta account for the players too coming out of a TO. They need to get him out on 3rd down bc he is limited athletically.
Goolsby admitted to being wrong about Buchner BUT still defended him by saying he thinks Buchner would’ve converted a 4th and 1?! WOW! Accept being wrong, it’s okay.
If you took Goolsby scenario and watched with no prior knowledge, You would think McCord is a veteran high draft pick and Hartman is dumpster strudels. I think that’s pretty clear it comes down to coaching and scheming. Estime got 14 Carrie’s and Hartman threw 25 attempts, idc if we have C- WRs… it’s coaching and scheming. Goolsby will never admit it.
@@mikegoolsby2731 Hartmans 68% is a lot better than Mccords 56% completion but McCord looked better and Hartman looked average I won’t disagree there, which is why I blame coaching, it’s inexcusable that we only threw 25 attempts and rushed w Estime less than 4 times per quarter.
Congratulations ❤️ to Notre Dame for making a fine showing. Although they did not win on the scoreboard, they did lead the game by 4 points through 59:53 of the game. And they put themselves into a position to beat a top 10 team which is an amazing accomplishment in of itself. Remember, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game. And I would say Notre Dame played amazingly well and gave their fans one helluva of a game / weekend to enjoy. So in this regard everyone comes out a winner 🏆 💪. Go Irish. You WILL win again. Lots of exciting games remaining the season is still young. Now let us pray 🙏
Yes great comment however I am livid at the stupid plays the coaches called on their last drive. This is Monday here in the Philippines and I have not calmed down, no sleep angry the coached let the players down. It was not their fault it is the stupid decisions on the coaches. I am sorry someone needs to b e fired. There is no room for this kind of error in College football MKL I have been a fan since 1960.
ND only had 10 men on field last two plays. Time management sucked. The play calling was horrible as well. Head coach is over his head. Your first head coaching spot should not be at a big FB program.
Our best win would be Duke or USC, no conference championship game to add, one loss was at home, I doubt it unless alot of other teams have multiple losses. Plus I do not think OSU wins the B10 so that will hurt us too.@@wattsinc.
Marist looked like he saw a ghost and his face looked like he was nervous and unsure of himself all game long. He didn't have the confidence he needs to hit his keys quick enough to be a playmaker and he ended up playing more like a JAG.
Just say it Freeman said he was going for it whenever he got across midfield on 4th down,shows he is not in tune with the game. At the end Goolsby is right they were not ready. They just freaked out, as simple as that. Sam was not that cool, JD can't catch a ball if it's in his pocket, Watts can't tackle shit.
Notre Dame lost the same way the Niners lost to K.C. in the Super Bowl a few years back, they abandoned their running game! All they had to do was trust their O- line and Running Backs, and they could of easily ran that clock out! Coaches blew it, BIG TIME!! 😡👎👎
Parker choked on play calling and personnel on the last offensive drive and then Golden said hold my beer, were playing prevent then going ten men on the goal line!!! Un F@#$%^$g believable!!!!
It sucks to say but it happens. How many times do you see teams get called for 12 men on the field. No excuses but that shit happens a lot. The error is magnified by the context.
Some *facts* that may seem like an opinion: - Since college players are making money now, it's fair game to roast them for playing horrible football. I get they're student athletes, but they're getting a $300k degree for free and make money on top of that. Sam Hartman, DJ Brown, Spencer Shrader, and Audric Estime all played worse they advertised in the first few weeks. - This team sucked last three seasons.. Adding Sam Hartman doesn't mean they're national championship contenders. The hype was far too heavy over the last three weeks, and I started to drink the koolaid myself. They were projected to lose 3.5 games this season. A last second loss to OSU, while as Notre Dame as it comes, is a GREAT loss. This team's ceiling is way higher than we thought but the floor needs to be realistic. USC loss is incoming, and it's totally ok. - Brian Kelly knew this team sucked and their 5 year schedule was DAUNTING, which is why he left in the middle of the night. Marcus Freeman is an incredible HC that not only represents ND well, but recruits better than anyone we've ever had. Give him time. This "but he's 13-5 so far" thing is dumb. Drew Pyne and Tyler Buchner never should've played football passed high school. They are absolute embarrassments. Seeing that Freeman won 9 games with those morons proves he's got potential. Give him time to get his own recruits into South Bend, along with an easier schedule and an expanded College Football Playoff.. Big losses like this suck, but it's not like us lifelong Irish fans aren't used to it. Big Game Brian and Turnover Tommy have continued our tradition down south!! - 10 men on the field will haunt Marcus for the rest of his career. As it should. No excuse, just don't lie about it at the presser. - Michigan sucks, Ohio State sucks, GO IRISH ☘
No defensive rotations, all the talk of the younger lineman and linebackers all offseason for nothing. Offense looks very timid and scared to air it out.
This is a great show. I graduated from Notre Dame in 1991. Then I returned for an online MS in Data Science at SMC in 2023. SMC was all-female when I was at ND but the graduate school started admitting males around 2015. So, I enrolled and graduated to study data science, machine learning, AI, etc. Go figure - a Zahmbie who graduated at SMC. When I marched at SMC on May 20 with the young graduate students, I joked with them that when I was at Notre Dame we used to win championships. I was at the Fiesta Bowl in 1989 and stormed the field with the band since my roommate was in it. Back then Ohio State was a "middle-of-the-pack" Big 10 team and not very good. The Buckeyes were dormant for years. The main Big 10 rivals were Michigan and Michigan State. When ND beat Bo Schembechler's team of Wolverines my freshman year in 1987, many students celebrated with a drunken food fight at North Dining Hall - lol. It was like "Bluto's scene" on "Animal House". Now, in modern times, I was rooting for ND with the new coach. I was really hoping ND would pull off the win but knew it would be tough. In today's competition, the quarterback (Hartman) seems kind of slow. He has a great arm and a lot of excellent statistical data with years of experience. But that attempt to run for the first down exposed his limits when he was cut off. It was also a mental mistake. The near delay-of-game that burned a timeout was also a gross error. I was most appalled by the missing defender on the last two plays. As a very old Generation X guy who was at ND in the 1980s, I don't think even the infamous Gary Faust made a mistake like that. To be fair, Faust's main problem was the inability to defuse racial tension on the team in the context of the 1980s. But in terms of actual game play-calling, I don't recall him leaving ten men to stop a goal-line "scrum" as Mike noted. So, the coaching was really disappointing. But I have since graduated and earned master's degrees from both FSU and UF. I lived in Tallahasee, FL for 13 years. So, I became an SEC fan and also am rooting for FSU this year. The Noles beat the "curse" of Clemson which to me sounds weird because as an old Generation X guy I remember when Clemson was known for choking in much of the 90s and 200s. As for ND, I honestly feel they are ahead of schedule in coming back. The 1986-1987 season was disappointing for ND and Coach Holtz with near misses in competitive games. Then in 1987 there were some great victories like against Michigan, Michigan State and en epic beatdown of Alabama at 37-6 when the Domers threw oranges on the field in the hopes of going to the Orange Bowl. But it was all letdown at the Cotton Bowl. A year later, Holtz and the team won the championship. For modern ND football of 2023, I think the next two to three years could have much better potential if they can continue to recruit positively. I think Domers should recognize these highs-and-lows come in cycles. Ohio State was dormant for decades before finally winning another championship. When I was at ND, the Buckeyes were NEVER in the running for national contention. The main rival for the top 10 teams of the 1980s was the University of Miami with Vinny Testaverde, Michael Irvin, etc. It sounds hard to believe but that's how it was back then. For a good insightful book of the 1980s football scene, read "The Boz" by Brian Bosworth - one of the most outrageous and outspoken linebackers to have ever lived - lol.
o$u ran Al Washington off because of the drop off on the D-Line...wouldn't be surprised if he's not gone after this year. Freeman taking over D is possible, this like Goolsby said, he could be more comfortable in taking that responsibility back.
In reality and as bad as that was, that is not what lost the game. What about the 4th and 1 we didn't convert... the missed field goal... the 4th and 7 and 3rd and 19 OS converted on the last drive and don't forget the dropped interception. Thats why we lost
Good point from Goolsby, Golden is either all out blitz or all out drop backs, it’s kinda sick. Maybe this is a hot take but I think we’re missing the Kelly aspect of 1st play of the game take a shot for 40 yds and we used to hit those like 50/50. I think that mentality would’ve blown the game open for us, why did Estime only get like 15 Carries and Hartman had 25 attempts? Was Freeman trying to throw the game or what?!?!? Im just disgusted
What did ol Tyler say about a kicker . That it would cost us in big close games …. Jonathen Doore, Justin yoon , scholarship kickers that ND use to get wouldn’t be 3/7 this season . And missed clutch in NC state and z Ohio state our two biggest games so far …..
Its as if ND had no plan for how to close out the game up by a TD. If they have another D lineman Chip is stopped a yard before goal line. OSU needs to get their shrt yardage rungame fixed. Coaching cost ND the game.
We should have given Estimae a blocking back and pounded that defensive into submission. With a back like that in this type of game, it is about ball control and endurances. Horrible play calling once again...
Man, negative Nelly ND fans (which includes this Goolsby guy) kind of suck. In year TWO of Freeman's tenure this is the toughest ND team in 30 years. All those ND teams that made the playoffs got boat raced against the top teams. There's obviously a lot going on at that point in the game and you're talking about firing him! You all don't deserve Freeman and I hope he leaves that place so you can return to perpetual over-hyped mediocrity. There's a reason all the other victories were easy this season...you weren't playing anybody. The entitlement is ridiculous. You all act like you've had the recent success of Alabama or something, you haven't.
Post game i saw very little emotion from nd fans and very little from OSU fans(as opposed to Cincinnati fans who were going wild on the stadium ramps). ND fans expect to lose these games, OSU fans expect to win them.
Love the way the sunset in Nebraska with MG was doing his job. Thank you Mr.Goolsby, much appreciated.
We will never know the outcome if ND had 11 guys in the last play. However, we do know that they gave up a 65 yard drive with only 1.25 on the clock. This includes conversions of 3rd and 10, 4th and 7, and 3rd and 19. And those were with 11 guys on the field.
Well said !
Why field anybody with an attitude like that?
Couldn't have put it any better myself. You know, at that point, everything up to that was.
The story of the game to be truthful. You almost knew ohio state was gonna make that touch down at that
Day finally had to cut loose those 5 Star receivers. He didn’t have any choice.
@@WT-Sherman Wrong, we have a full stable of thoroughbreds !!!
It can’t be the pick because OSU dropped a much easier pick-6 on Hartman’s screen pass (last offensive possession). It was coaching. How do you take Estime out and call a screen pass in the first place? The numbers say run and make OSU use their last TO. Freeman went on 4th and 1 twice cause he said he’s a numbers guy. This game is on the coaches.
Not just on the coach’s also on the players didn’t make plays at the end of the game.
@@justinwebb4644 Coaches don’t play, sure. But when was the last time you saw such consistently egregious coaching undermining a supreme athletic effort in a top 10 game? Bench nations leading rusher in clutch moments of the game when he was piling up yards, screen pass, 3-man rush on 3rd and 19, 10 players on the field twice where players almost overcame bad coaching, i.e., phenomenal pass breakup by number 20 in the end zone and they almost stopped the touchdown run. Come on, this one is on the coaches.
@@TSArmadillo100% and the fans who don’t see that are honestly what I despise about Notre Dame. If you can’t blame the coaches for this you literally never can. This is AS BAD AS IT GETS.
I watch every single ND media on YT and I swear I haven’t been able to get through a single one of these post game shows cause the feeling sucks that bad!
That’s how we dealt after the UGA game , all in all the game was a classic amazing game wish ND was in the big ten there buikt for it
Good game, wish the best for you guys through the rest of the season
Rico Flores played great, a clutch TD and stayed inbounds after the catch on their last drive.
They were holding Ohio State's offense to 10 pts and Freeman said in his post-game that they collectively said you know what, why don't we change what has been working all game for this last drive and try and confuse their qb. Why?!? That's coaches letting the moment get too big.
10 points means 10 men on the field. It was a message from higher up.
Rigged
You had the first few words correct ! They were holding Ohio State's Offence all night !
@@Henry.58 derp 🤤
First and foremost im a die hard Buckeye fan and have been my entire life. I was watching buckeye recap videos and this popped up during autoplay. I just wanted to say you guys are a breath of fresh air. Really good takes and just honest. I've always liked Notre Dame as a program and because most Notre Dame fans hate Michigan. Just wanted to say that was a very tough loss but a historically awesome game to watch. You guys will rebound and hopefully can win out to make the playoffs. I'm not blind, I realize my Buckeyes have a very long way to go if they want to compete in the playoffs, but if we both make it I'd love to see a rematch! Good luck next week versus duke!
Appreciate that , as a Notre Dame fan. Tough, Tough loss. Good luck to Buckeyes. Was a great game I agree. Your a very classy fan and great sportsmanship.
I am really impressed with the long-term persistence of faithful Buckeye fans. I am a much older Notre Dame graduate of Generation X. I remember when Ohio State was in the "down" phase being dormant for years at a time. When I was at Notre Dame from 1987-1991, Ohio State was NEVER in national contention as I recall. They were just a middle-of-the-pack Big 10 team like Indiana or even Illinois. By contrast, the main Big 10 rivals for Notre Dame were Michigan and Michigan State. When ND beat the Wolverines in 1987 coached by the late Bo Schembechler, the game ended around 5:30 PM. So, many students went to the dining hall and had a massive food fight in celebration of the win. It was absurd because I witnessed it as a young Domer. The point is that Ohio State fans should be commended for staying faithful in between the "good years" when dormancy persisted for decades.
Now, I know Ohio State is back in prominence and expected this to be a tough game. As a realist, I was surprised it was close. My opinion is that Notre Dame football is ahead of schedule in "rebuilding". Notre Dame looks better this year than last year - but obviously there is room for improvement. I think the expectations would be higher 2 to 3 years from now. Right now, there can still be a good season.
As for Ohio State, the showdown with the Wolverines should be epic. If they survive that then they may have to play my other Alma Mater, Florida State, in the CFP. I got master's degrees at both FSU and UF, so I can usually count on one of them picking up where ND ends on the CFP hunt.
I hope you Buckeyes give the wolverines a good beat down. Appreciate your response
So refreshing to hear from a reasonable Buckeye fan.
I wrote that Ohio State was the better team Saturday night, and yet I still got shade from Buckeye fans.
Notre Dame fans can be arrogant at times also. It just seems like the majority of Ohio St. fans have zero respect for a team that took them down to basically the final play.
A great, hard-fought, instant classic of a game by two teams who very well could face each other again.
Hats off to Ohio State. One hell of a talented team.
If the Irish and Buckeyes played 10 times, you get the feeling they'd split 'em.
@@OldIrishFan1966 yah unfortunately Ohio States fan base is full of a large amount of ignorant assholes. They really give us all a bad reputation, but you will have that. We also have a vast majority of fans that will complain about not beating ND or any other team by 5 tds instead of just being happy to escape with a win. Unfair expectations almost every year tbh.
ND has a super difficult schedule this year so I'm thinking if you guys can pull off running the table you have a chance to make the playoffs. I know that not having a conference championship always hurts ND at the end of the year but this year seems pretty wide open. I honestly don't feel like there is one super elite team like Georgia was last year. So I'll be cheering you all on to win out!
GO BUCKS ! GO IRISH!
Tough, tough way to get a learning lesson, (for players and coaches). Now its "gut check" time for the rest of the season. I believe that ND believes and they will rise to the occasion. Ben Morrison is an absolute stud. Onward Notre Dame!
Well, i am huge fan of this show! What i call Mike and Mike . However, being still really pissed off about how the game ended i can’t have rehashed . Sorry guys look forward to next week! ☘️
If the OC just had the presence of mind to run 3 times when ND got the first down at the 31 we would have depleted all Buckeye time outs and clock. Even if we didn’t get the first down we would have pinned them back to have to travel the whole field with no time outs in under a minute.
Great commentary Goolsby
Thanks!
Thanks Jimmy!
Had Hartman thrown the screen pass a little higher , it was going to go for a touchdown. Go back and look at the play, Price had a wall of blockers down the sideline.
100% correct. if that ball wasnt batted, he was gone. Nothing but green, and two blockers in front.
Send ghoolsby to the the press conference please
In the first quarter when ND was deciding whether to go for a first down or kick a field goal I felt, I KNEW they would need a field goal to win. They chose the first down try. The second huge mistake was not having 11 men on the last TWO plays of the game. Someone on the coaching staff needs to be fired. I am livid discusted have been a loyal fan since 1960, I can't . will not accept any more stupid unnecessary decisions. I am 81 and have not been able to sleep since that game ended. Don't disappoint me again
Easy to say what the correct decision was after the fact. No different then the 4th Downs OSU didn't get. If they made the 1st then it was excellent play calling but if they don't get it then the call was horrible. It's high stakes gambling with real life consequences.
Didn't ND miss a FG??
Goolsby for DC
I told my woman the same thing Saturday night after the game!
I think it has not been discussed, but it seemed to me we should not have called timeout after the grounding. We had the momo and we gave OSU time to regroup AND then we came out of timeout in max coverage. I actually think if we had not called timeout Golden would have stayed with pressure. Possibly Marcus told him to be conservative during timeout. My point is it was the calling of the timeout that was the source of the problem.
Ohio state called timeout after the grounding, not Notre Dame. It was OSUs last time out and they used it to avoid a 10 second run off.
Source of the problem they was playing the Ohio State buckeyes with a rookie QB 🎉🎉😂
@@peppapops-ej9zw It's Brian Kelly's fault that you love purple 🍆
ND handed Ohio state that game. Everything was going NDs way and coaching screwed it up for those kids.... and grown ass man (Sam George Harrison Hartman). Run it all 2nd half and osu can't stop then go away from it when you need to run the clock out? Then 10 men on the field on the last two plays? Damn. I feel bad for Irish fans. Great game. Go Bucks!
Ohio St had bad plays too. The refs were against Ohio St too
Thank you Goolsby. It’s unthinkable. Unfreakingbelievable. I mean why is this the reality of ND fan? I’m only 25 so I haven’t really been around to see much… this is the worst I’ve been around for by far
Bend don’t break defense broke on 3rd and 19 playing the endzone instead of the sticks.
True. You can't spike it on 4th down. Well you could 😂
Make no mistake, the coaches lost this game. Obviously the players made mistakes, that happens every game; however, the mistakes the coaches made were ginormous and led to OSU winning in the final 3 seconds.
Coaching on both sides you mean Ohio State had plenty of incompetency
Coaching almost cost Ohio State also. We should've scored on the 1 yard line emeka missed the catch another 4-1 blunder.. Lucky it was even close.
@@waynecourt5970 dude, there is zero comparison. We had 10 guys on the field for the final 2 plays, and the ball was ran right where we were missing a lineman. That is gross negligence and that level of fuck up would get any normal person fired from their job. That’s the equivalent of a doctor misdiagnosing lung cancer as a seasonal cough because he didn’t wanna get imaging done of the chest. That’s the equivalent of a lawyer accidentally telling the jury his client is guilty. That’s the equivalent of a chef failing to cook chicken properly and giving everyone in the restaurant salmonella poisoning. Don’t even come in here acting like the mistakes the ND coaches made are equivalent to the mistakes the OSU coaches made.
Who was supposed to be on the field on the last play. That was somebody package and they shit. He knows who he is. Name the game after him
Bruh I scrubbed the video as soon as you brought up watching it again lmao
I’ve been absolutely dejected all day. I liked the new offensive plays but I was extremely disappointed in the OC’s play calling on ND’s last drive. Those plays were much too conservative. Parker played NOT TO LOSE rather than playing to win. Despite the success in the second half, Parker had no faith in our offense. Very sad.
He got scared and went in his shell.
@@roris5882 He's too new and raw. Definitely showed in those last minutes.
@@josephmoya5098 That's the issue of having a new head coach. Ryan Day was a new head coach but he also had a lot of experience running offenses beforehand. So he is decent at situational awareness and calling timeouts, getting plays in on time, and the general flow of the game. Some coaches are good at it and some aren't. Look at James Franklin from Penn State, he is still bad at calling timeouts and time management and he has a lot of experience screwing it up.
@@roris5882 The real issue was the pass on second down. If you run it there, you chew clock. I am sure Freeman went with Parker's decision because he is new and trusts his ACs. That was a mistake. Basically, the coaching issue this week was trusting your ACs to much. He needs to learn to trust but verify. Make sure the analytics agrees with their decisions.
@@josephmoya5098 Like most coaches, he out thought himself by trying not to be too predictable instead of calling what works and the team is good at. Hartman was the featured player on the offense and he was completing most of his short throws. So the coach probably figured Hartman would make an easy pitch and catch pass and get a huge gain, putting the game out of reach. If it worked then he's a genius that has trust in his players but if it doesn't then he sux as a play caller because he made a horrible call in a key moment. That happed to both teams on most of the 4th Downs that were failed attempts.
I still think the 3rd and 19 play was the most crucial play....how can you let that happen!!! Also, running Hartman on 4th down runs when you have a few REALLY good running backs!!
It was, who knows if we even stop them with 11 players on the field. As soon as we let them get near the goal line we screwed up
That’s why the receiver is considered a First Round Pick. These guys convert 3rd and 19s with the game on the line.
They blew the best opportunity for a statement win in a long time. I had faith in Sam Hartman…No more. He’s good against average competition. Wouldn’t shock me if we lose the next three games. Duke on their turf, a trap game at Louisville (which sadly I bought tickets for), and our arch nemesis USC. Last night was a kick in the nuts. They will never…EVER face a down Ohio State team like that again.
Lol dude. Talk about doomsday alarmist. Chill out.
Man, your nuts are probably so tender right now you're probably wondering will you ever recover. I have news for you. These nuts of yours, being that they are super tender at the present moment, are such that you must be EXTRA careful going into Duke because Duke loves ❤️ kicking nuts when they are super sore. This is where they get their name, Duke which is German for when your enemies nuts are sore, they are vulnerable.
The only thing you can do is put on a cup, and pray 🙏 that it doesn't happen again. Because getting kicked in the nuts while they're still super tender is a death kick. We can NOT afford to have this happen.
The double over will leave you writhing in pain.
So what to do? Pray 🙏. And double up on the cup. This will help mitigate.
OK? Okay good, thanks.
Go Irish!!
Sam Hartman doesn’t need your faith
Hartman is a Muslim.
A "down Ohio State team?" Seriously 😂
I think the biggest thing getting overlooked is that Hartman was about to take a delay of game call in the last drive for the irish I believe, which made freeman use a big time out. For a 5th year senior that can't happen, too many mistakes all way around
Yes. By contrast, I remember when Ohio State won the first CFP with a third-string quarterback. I also remember when Alabama benched their starter and went with Tua in the 2nd half of a championship game for a surprise victory with mostly freshmen on a clutch winning play. Hartman made mistakes and appears to be injured from the sheer accumulation of "experience". The net effect is that he is kind of slow like on that run around the end to try and make first down which he failed. Hartman is good but not great. I was there when Tony Rice won the championship for ND.
We fumbled the game still feel sick to my stomach. Let the suckeyes off the hook. ND is right there on the doorstep
Both teams made mistakes. I don't like Irish fans because of comments like yours. How about saying we held an elite team to 17 points. Notre Dame is now elite
I was there and there was a combo between Sam and the WR’s. Some missed open guys he didn’t see, and wr’s had some tough time getting open. Don’t have top speed yet on the outside… soon though
Notre Dame is a good team and definitely should have won this game. With that said people acting like Notre Dame controlled the game are crazy. Ohio State should have never trailed in this game.
Blame day for getting greedy or calling a jet sweep on 4th and inches instead a QB sneak. Both coaches let the game get to them
Missed scoring opportunities in first half.. Irish should of been up at least 6-3 at half.. ran all over Ohio state.. held Ohio state to a average carry of a little over 2 yards a rush attempt if you take out the 61 yard touchdown. Everyone has opinions
@@jefferybrockman3252 Yeah that 30 something yards rushing the first half was dominating… Ohio State with 3 failed 4th down conversions while in field goal range… penalty that killed a drive, on a guy finishing a block, right after Notre Dame had scored… Notre Dame ran the ball great in the second half but that second score was on a tired defense. Ohio State moved the ball the whole game.
Ohio st fan here, coaching on offensive plays on both sides was 🗑️ . Defense for both was extremely impressive. Notre Dame you can still make the playoffs
Until USC puts up 50 on this team and they score 21.
@@brianwalsh7352good lord have some faith lol USC hasn’t looked that great. OSU was a really good team.
@@NDependentColts No, OSU is not a really good team. Their QB is Notre Dame quality (Rees, Book, etc). They will lose at least two games this season. USC hasn't looked that great? The scores of their games are:
56-28
66-14
56-10
42-28
They've won every game--and none against DII HBCU or service academies--by at least two TDs.
@@brianwalsh7352 that’s disingenuous and misleading as hell lol… Nevada (0-4), San Jose State (1-4), Stanford (1-3) and Arizona State (1-3) with our old QB, Drew Pyne. They have DEFINITELY shown chinks in the armor and not looked like a complete team. They could very well lose 2+ games this season and that defense does not look elite, or equivalent to an OSU defense in any way.
@@brianwalsh7352 have you actually watched them play or just going off scores?
The conversions don’t matter. Period. That’s what great elite athletes do….we also stopped them too multiple times….even with 10. Goolsby hit the nail on the head. The last 4 mins were a colossal failure by the coaching staff. Blitzing your best corner against their strong side leaving Ebuka wide open is and was a terrible call. Inside 4 minutes we also decided to try a pass coming off a FIVE yard sack with 2:40 left….run the dam ball. That’s clearly SITUATIONAL football experience and we caved. There’s was ZERO FKN excuse to run 3/4 straight pass plays after your DEFENSE just balled out and they need a TD to win….you take the fkn time outs away from that offense. At worst on 2&15 is you don’t get any yards (which to me we were running the ball so dam good it’s not unlikely we break off 7+ yard gain) they burn a timeout and then you make them burn the last one on 3rd.
Point is, they don’t get to call a time out to avoid a 10 sec run meaning the last play never happens.
Colossal failure inside 4 mins….
We had osu primed and ready to get blown out from the start of the game. Running the ball on 1st down must be part of Estime NIL deal. Osu showed their hand to stop him on 1st down. Play action pass Tyree or Merriweather with crossers would have buckled osu at the knees. They gave ND run on 2nd down almost all night
Man I think I was on every ND podcast the whole week saying they should go play action
Yeah this has been a problem all year. You brought in a guy who can keep the D honest let him throw the ball a little bit. If you believe in the line and Estime so much you can run him on 2nd and 10.
Sure, and OSU constantly ran on 2nd and long for some reason. What's that mean? Neither staff preformed at peak . ND still has all its team goals in place, as would of OSU had ND won, the margin for error just got smaller for ND.
Mike, lets face it, James Laurentiis Wasn't a good LB coach last year. Should have never been coaching last year.
The coaches were hoping Deke Cooper would show up on that last play and be the 11th.
Ohio State fans are no different than any other fan base. You have based, biased, bad, stoopid. The emotional waves that a fan goes through on a game like that is incredible, and measurable. Some fans regardless of situation, quality of opponent are very seldom going to appreciate the nuance of why plays work or dont work and just watching games once live with the emotion raw, and listening to tv broadcasters help to keep people ignorant of what is actually happening and why. Good game, both teams played alright. I really didnt see just awesome football from either team. It does appear ND is on an upward trajectory despite some curious calls by staff. But that doesnt mean OSU coached a great game either, they didnt. Both teams played with great effort. A lot of coaching still to do, and it is fun to watch teams grow through a season. Both teams need improving to reach their goals
Yup. Love is awesome.
No ifs ands or buts...we should have won that game. We had them and we totally blew it!
Lou Holtz deliberately said what he said out of character and that was the demise of the Irish against T H E ! Hotz has always poor mouthed his school and their teams but not against T H E. I just looked at Notre Dame 's roster; they have 24 graduate senior students on their football team, including the starting quarterback ! Despite all those experienced players they still couldn't beat us and haven't done so since 1936 ! Tell lou holtz to come to Columbus and apologize !!!
Yes sir, well said! Apology needs to happen ASAP
He will from Jim Harbaugh's box suite!
@@toddvandenberghe9882 todd I'm waiting for the pussies in ann arbor play a great team like T H E does ! Michigan refuses to play top 5 and 10 teams ! Y'all still remember App State don't you ?
TheGreatFortyOne Semper Fi brother. GySgt 80-93 here.
We knew when we accepted Marcus Freeman as HC that there would be a learning curve for him. ND is his 1st HC job. The reason why he was brought in originally as DC was to help ND improve its recruiting. MF has done that. Our guys were able to go one-on-one for most of the game against OSU's 5 star players. OSU struggled against us.
Granted I agree that the last 4.5 minutes of the game were mismanaged by the ND coaches, but I see it as a learning curve issue for MF than as a "time to get a new HC." MF has shown that he can learn from his mistakes, but for the next year or so, I can see him getting outcoached by more experienced coaches, especially when playing against top competition. Last year, he was outcoached by Marshall's HC, who was an experienced HC. This year ND has won the games ND is supposed to. I feel that MF is taking ND to the next level, to being a Bonafide NC contender. It may take a bit longer than we hoped.
“We accepted Marcus Freeman…”, seriously. So you had a say in his hiring? Jeez, get over yourself.
…10 defensive men on the field is a defensive coordinator issue, not the HC issue.
On that 62 yard run coming out of the half, why has no one noted that the reason that back was free and clear was because the receiver "blocking" for the runner (Harrison?) had his hands in the bottom of the facemask of our guy. Our guy was not "blocked"; watch the replay--fingers in the bottom of the facemask prevented our guy from breaking loose to even try to get to that runner who blew right by him. No flag, but it was not our defender's faulty.
Even with this 11th man it’s not a D tackle it’s someone in the back field. ND guessed wrong on the side they’d run to, because obviously you stopped OSU to the right and the throw the play before was to the right. So idk if the 11th man changes the game anyways. Plus you give them the penalty it’s lit a easy push Kyle McCord in. Defense guessed wrong side. That’s all it comes down to. Embuka the OSU WR droppped a easy TD so both teams made mistakes. You gotta give it to OSU they out manned ND.
Light box means run according to the analytics.
Did Parker become the Matt Canada of College Football with that performance on Saturday night?
As an osu fan nd is for real this year...that team seems different ...hold your head up high cause that was a game now...as an osu fan I'm glad we have a bye week cause we need it after that game
They saved Estime until the 4th quarter than rarely used him, what's with that?
Run the F ing ball with 3:50 on the clock.
Biggest blunder was passing on the last possession and stopping the clock
Goooooo Duke!!
Coaches used the backs great, he’s was struggling. However, we bruised them, they were tired, the possession before our last pretty much was the mail in coffin for osu. Anyone with eyes could tell, the Notre dame oline took there soul. So, that last possession should have just been estime…..you go bang bang 10+ yards plays. You gotta continue that, and it think they got busted being casual and NOT careful.
They just try to knock you over with there shoulder don't rap up
That Marist stat is crazy!!!
Man it's so depressing my family and I are taking this very bad because I live in ohio
Lou didn't say anything wrong? Let's examine it.
He didn't say "OSU lost to....."
In the full context he was saying "ND has a better team BECAUSE OSU lost to....."
He says the reasons ND has a better team than OSU is because OSU lost to GA. Ok, ND is 0-3 against GA.
Also because OSU lost to Bama. Ok, ND lost their last 2 matchups to Bama.
Also because OSU lost to Mich. Ok, ND lost their last 7 of 11 to Mich.
Also because OSU lost Clemson. When, 2019? They beat them last time they played. Ok, ND had to wait for Trevor Lawrence to be out to win then lost 2/3 to them.
I'm sorry but you're just wrong on that.
I was at presentation Saturday before game by swarbrick, he stated they were dispersing OSU fans throughout the stadium so they didn't have a big red block.
Day was afraid he was gonna lose his job that's why
Freeman should be fired. He’s way in over his head….
@@armandopena2906I agree bro. Great human being but he's not cut out to be a head coach.
Touchdown Jesus is a Buckeye fan !
Notre Dame also lost because we were more casual than careful. When you have the OFFENSIVE line that we have, and you have the stable of running backs we have, fkn go wildcat. Go power I te overload. Go power I fullback dive…go Jalen hurts with Payne and have two meat heads no matter who they are do the Eagles push. Point is, Sam Hartman is a pretty boy. Nothing wrong with that. This is the best offensive line we’ve had in ten years and they were having they’re way…..we were to casual with our calls. We were not CAREFUL. Meaning, you got one run, one play it’s OHIO FUCKING STATE. If your going to lose you lose with your best. Period. Casual is walking away from the game knowing we lost bc we decided not one but twice to give our qb a ball.
After listening to this podcast it sounds like Bertrand struggled the most. I didn’t think about but yeah he’s the Mike he’s gotta account for the players too coming out of a TO. They need to get him out on 3rd down bc he is limited athletically.
Mike Singer - at least our Dolphins won in record fashion!
Hope you guy's beat Duke tonight!!!
Must have packed a turkey and a ham sandwich
Goolsby admitted to being wrong about Buchner BUT still defended him by saying he thinks Buchner would’ve converted a 4th and 1?! WOW! Accept being wrong, it’s okay.
Two things can be true at once.
Buchner is a better Wild Cat QB then a passer. Plus he's bigger and quicker, Hartman is tiny, only 6' munchkin.
Buchner would have thrown 4 interceptions against OSU. He's riding the bench at Alabama right now.
If you took Goolsby scenario and watched with no prior knowledge, You would think McCord is a veteran high draft pick and Hartman is dumpster strudels. I think that’s pretty clear it comes down to coaching and scheming. Estime got 14 Carrie’s and Hartman threw 25 attempts, idc if we have C- WRs… it’s coaching and scheming. Goolsby will never admit it.
I think I spoke for an hour on the poor scheme. Hartman also looked average.
@@mikegoolsby2731 Hartmans 68% is a lot better than Mccords 56% completion but McCord looked better and Hartman looked average I won’t disagree there, which is why I blame coaching, it’s inexcusable that we only threw 25 attempts and rushed w Estime less than 4 times per quarter.
Baptiste was the player of the game!!!!
Congratulations ❤️ to Notre Dame for making a fine showing. Although they did not win on the scoreboard, they did lead the game by 4 points through 59:53 of the game. And they put themselves into a position to beat a top 10 team which is an amazing accomplishment in of itself. Remember, it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game. And I would say Notre Dame played amazingly well and gave their fans one helluva of a game / weekend to enjoy. So in this regard everyone comes out a winner 🏆 💪. Go Irish. You WILL win again. Lots of exciting games remaining the season is still young. Now let us pray 🙏
You’re nuts
Yes great comment however I am livid at the stupid plays the coaches called on their last drive. This is Monday here in the Philippines and I have not calmed down, no sleep angry the coached let the players down. It was not their fault it is the stupid decisions on the coaches. I am sorry someone needs to b e fired. There is no room for this kind of error in College football MKL I have been a fan since 1960.
Just curious: what team do you root for?
ND only had 10 men on field last two plays. Time management sucked. The play calling was horrible as well. Head coach is over his head. Your first head coaching spot should not be at a big FB program.
We can still make a good NYD bowl if we win out, CFP really shouldnt be mentioned for ND this year though.
You win out you really could make the playoffs losing a competitive game against the number 6 team. Instant classic
Our best win would be Duke or USC, no conference championship game to add, one loss was at home, I doubt it unless alot of other teams have multiple losses. Plus I do not think OSU wins the B10 so that will hurt us too.@@wattsinc.
Lol Freeman after game was a disaster what is he talking about like 10 men is ok these guy is sad
Everyone talks about the pick, but what about the 61 yard run they allowed?
OSU's first big chunk came when JD encountered the ref in his way.
Marist looked like he saw a ghost and his face looked like he was nervous and unsure of himself all game long. He didn't have the confidence he needs to hit his keys quick enough to be a playmaker and he ended up playing more like a JAG.
Just say it Freeman said he was going for it whenever he got across midfield on 4th down,shows he is not in tune with the game. At the end Goolsby is right they were not ready. They just freaked out, as simple as that. Sam was not that cool, JD can't catch a ball if it's in his pocket, Watts can't tackle shit.
Go make more $ money and move out!! Love it. Tired Goolsby is the best!
Notre Dame lost the same way the Niners lost to K.C. in the Super Bowl a few years back, they abandoned their running game! All they had to do was trust their O- line and Running Backs, and they could of easily ran that clock out! Coaches blew it, BIG TIME!! 😡👎👎
Parker choked on play calling and personnel on the last offensive drive and then Golden said hold my beer, were playing prevent then going ten men on the goal line!!! Un F@#$%^$g believable!!!!
It sucks to say but it happens. How many times do you see teams get called for 12 men on the field. No excuses but that shit happens a lot. The error is magnified by the context.
Some *facts* that may seem like an opinion:
- Since college players are making money now, it's fair game to roast them for playing horrible football. I get they're student athletes, but they're getting a $300k degree for free and make money on top of that. Sam Hartman, DJ Brown, Spencer Shrader, and Audric Estime all played worse they advertised in the first few weeks.
- This team sucked last three seasons.. Adding Sam Hartman doesn't mean they're national championship contenders. The hype was far too heavy over the last three weeks, and I started to drink the koolaid myself. They were projected to lose 3.5 games this season. A last second loss to OSU, while as Notre Dame as it comes, is a GREAT loss. This team's ceiling is way higher than we thought but the floor needs to be realistic. USC loss is incoming, and it's totally ok.
- Brian Kelly knew this team sucked and their 5 year schedule was DAUNTING, which is why he left in the middle of the night. Marcus Freeman is an incredible HC that not only represents ND well, but recruits better than anyone we've ever had. Give him time. This "but he's 13-5 so far" thing is dumb. Drew Pyne and Tyler Buchner never should've played football passed high school. They are absolute embarrassments. Seeing that Freeman won 9 games with those morons proves he's got potential. Give him time to get his own recruits into South Bend, along with an easier schedule and an expanded College Football Playoff.. Big losses like this suck, but it's not like us lifelong Irish fans aren't used to it. Big Game Brian and Turnover Tommy have continued our tradition down south!!
- 10 men on the field will haunt Marcus for the rest of his career. As it should. No excuse, just don't lie about it at the presser.
- Michigan sucks, Ohio State sucks, GO IRISH ☘
Could it just be that the Buckeyes were 3 points better? Vegas called it that way. Can you say "Nice game Buckeyes"?
No defensive rotations, all the talk of the younger lineman and linebackers all offseason for nothing. Offense looks very timid and scared to air it out.
This is a great show. I graduated from Notre Dame in 1991. Then I returned for an online MS in Data Science at SMC in 2023. SMC was all-female when I was at ND but the graduate school started admitting males around 2015. So, I enrolled and graduated to study data science, machine learning, AI, etc. Go figure - a Zahmbie who graduated at SMC.
When I marched at SMC on May 20 with the young graduate students, I joked with them that when I was at Notre Dame we used to win championships. I was at the Fiesta Bowl in 1989 and stormed the field with the band since my roommate was in it. Back then Ohio State was a "middle-of-the-pack" Big 10 team and not very good. The Buckeyes were dormant for years. The main Big 10 rivals were Michigan and Michigan State. When ND beat Bo Schembechler's team of Wolverines my freshman year in 1987, many students celebrated with a drunken food fight at North Dining Hall - lol. It was like "Bluto's scene" on "Animal House".
Now, in modern times, I was rooting for ND with the new coach. I was really hoping ND would pull off the win but knew it would be tough. In today's competition, the quarterback (Hartman) seems kind of slow. He has a great arm and a lot of excellent statistical data with years of experience. But that attempt to run for the first down exposed his limits when he was cut off. It was also a mental mistake. The near delay-of-game that burned a timeout was also a gross error.
I was most appalled by the missing defender on the last two plays. As a very old Generation X guy who was at ND in the 1980s, I don't think even the infamous Gary Faust made a mistake like that. To be fair, Faust's main problem was the inability to defuse racial tension on the team in the context of the 1980s. But in terms of actual game play-calling, I don't recall him leaving ten men to stop a goal-line "scrum" as Mike noted. So, the coaching was really disappointing.
But I have since graduated and earned master's degrees from both FSU and UF. I lived in Tallahasee, FL for 13 years. So, I became an SEC fan and also am rooting for FSU this year. The Noles beat the "curse" of Clemson which to me sounds weird because as an old Generation X guy I remember when Clemson was known for choking in much of the 90s and 200s. As for ND, I honestly feel they are ahead of schedule in coming back. The 1986-1987 season was disappointing for ND and Coach Holtz with near misses in competitive games. Then in 1987 there were some great victories like against Michigan, Michigan State and en epic beatdown of Alabama at 37-6 when the Domers threw oranges on the field in the hopes of going to the Orange Bowl. But it was all letdown at the Cotton Bowl. A year later, Holtz and the team won the championship. For modern ND football of 2023, I think the next two to three years could have much better potential if they can continue to recruit positively.
I think Domers should recognize these highs-and-lows come in cycles. Ohio State was dormant for decades before finally winning another championship. When I was at ND, the Buckeyes were NEVER in the running for national contention. The main rival for the top 10 teams of the 1980s was the University of Miami with Vinny Testaverde, Michael Irvin, etc. It sounds hard to believe but that's how it was back then. For a good insightful book of the 1980s football scene, read "The Boz" by Brian Bosworth - one of the most outrageous and outspoken linebackers to have ever lived - lol.
o$u ran Al Washington off because of the drop off on the D-Line...wouldn't be surprised if he's not gone after this year. Freeman taking over D is possible, this like Goolsby said, he could be more comfortable in taking that responsibility back.
Who was supposed to be the 11th guy
". . . shouldn't let other people get your - kicks for you!" Bob Dylan.
Go Bucks!
In reality and as bad as that was, that is not what lost the game. What about the 4th and 1 we didn't convert... the missed field goal... the 4th and 7 and 3rd and 19 OS converted on the last drive and don't forget the dropped interception. Thats why we lost
Refs kept marking the ball a half yard back from were it should have been
Good point from Goolsby, Golden is either all out blitz or all out drop backs, it’s kinda sick. Maybe this is a hot take but I think we’re missing the Kelly aspect of 1st play of the game take a shot for 40 yds and we used to hit those like 50/50. I think that mentality would’ve blown the game open for us, why did Estime only get like 15 Carries and Hartman had 25 attempts? Was Freeman trying to throw the game or what?!?!? Im just disgusted
kelly called 40 yd passes 1st play of games? What i always saw was a running play for no gain, then 3 and out.
@@jimzimmerman5288 yeah Kelly was notorious for going vertical on the first play of the game and it hit more than you would think.
What did ol Tyler say about a kicker . That it would cost us in big close games …. Jonathen Doore, Justin yoon , scholarship kickers that ND use to get wouldn’t be 3/7 this season . And missed clutch in NC state and z Ohio state our two biggest games so far …..
He barely made it by six inches straight to where we are missing a lineman. They don't make it if they have a lineman on the field.
Its as if ND had no plan for how to close out the game up by a TD. If they have another D lineman Chip is stopped a yard before goal line. OSU needs to get their shrt yardage rungame fixed. Coaching cost ND the game.
Ohio state was high fiving TD Jesus after the game
We should have given Estimae a blocking back and pounded that defensive into submission. With a back like that in this type of game, it is about ball control and endurances. Horrible play calling once again...
I dont understand why Kiser doesnt play more, i think hes straight up better than JD and Liufau
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Man, negative Nelly ND fans (which includes this Goolsby guy) kind of suck. In year TWO of Freeman's tenure this is the toughest ND team in 30 years. All those ND teams that made the playoffs got boat raced against the top teams. There's obviously a lot going on at that point in the game and you're talking about firing him! You all don't deserve Freeman and I hope he leaves that place so you can return to perpetual over-hyped mediocrity. There's a reason all the other victories were easy this season...you weren't playing anybody. The entitlement is ridiculous. You all act like you've had the recent success of Alabama or something, you haven't.
Its how we act towards day. But this one is confusing Im an Ohio State fan but Notre Dame is now an elite team the season isn't over
Osu game planned and took the deep ball away knowing our deep ball changes our games and flips the field
Post game i saw very little emotion from nd fans and very little from OSU fans(as opposed to Cincinnati fans who were going wild on the stadium ramps). ND fans expect to lose these games, OSU fans expect to win them.
Can't ever root for OSU over Michigan or vice versa. I'll just wish for a comet to hit the stadium.