The Undeniable Pain of Getting Drunk
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- Alcohol! One of our oldest and most polarizing past times. We've brewed it, bottled it, banned it, and barfed it. But for as long as we've been farming, it has been a part of our society.
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I can hear the "Thank You"
I love your channel so much, a video like this but on psychedelics would be incredibly interesting.
Rare Earth Interesting conjecture.
Rare Earth i never had a sip of alcohol or consumed tobacco just like my father.
Nothing religious, i just taught we were better than others.
This video has changed my perspective.
"I think the reason humans started farming was so that we could get drunk"
well it's certainly why I started working
Lukands 😂😂
no dude you gotta stop you need to draw the line I mean, geting drunk is fine but working?! thats way too far dude.
@first last Nah, trick question! Answer is both obviously lol
Lmao😂😂💯
I believe it's much more accurate to say farming was developed because it was exploitable by landlords/leaders.
Imagine having such a bad addiction that you create civilization just to get a fix.
Yeah im not convinced by this video!!! Sounds a bit like bs
Lmfaoooo
matthew huckin
It’s what came from the process, not what exactly they aimed for. Nigga
The problem is you would put it off till tomorrow.
I desperately want to refute this claim, but I know that this basically is what happened.
This video implies that Jager-bombs are the pinnacle of human agricultural efforts.
I can plant your wheat for Jager-bombs...
Well......aren't they?
*laughs in alcoholic*
Well... if you were a person from 6000 years ago... yea
And whom’st the fuck are you to say they aren’t?
I've been sober for a little over 15 months. If anyone has a drinking problem, know that it's never too late to quit and take control of your life. It won't be easy, but it's worth it, and so are you.
Crisco - congratulations , opiates are my poison
Allen Carr's 'Easy Way To Stop Drinking' helped me to stop. I can't recommend it enough
fuckyshityfuckshit - Shit dude, that's rough. I hope you can get the help you need. If you ever feel like you need moral support from an internet stranger, I'm here.
Wonky Shades - Good stuff man, congrats! My friend quit smoking after reading one of his books.
3 yrs and Quit Smoking. Im eating better and Exercising again. Other than Factory Defects I have never felt better!
My buddy quit but traded one Sugar addiction for Another. He will kill for a Twinkie!
Rare Earth episodes this month:
-The plight of an unrecognized country
-The will to fight for one's homeland
-Caves, how do they work?
- *GETTING F*CKED UP IN THE NEOLITHIC YO!*
I thank you for the succinct reprise of our kind host's efforts.
- Cows - friends or foes?
Oliwia Bieniek keep asking questions
Thus spoke the Zarathustra
Christina Penner yes
I love how everyone in the comments is suddenly an expert on history and toxicology
Better than the usual "history and politics experts" who blame everything on the jews.
Despite some logical flaws on the video the comment section is interesting reading and I prefer the discussion anyway. We really don't know exactly what life was like nor do we really know exactly what the process was like when nomadic transitioned to settled.
Selection bias
@@BibleStorm th-cam.com/video/Q4PC8Luqiws/w-d-xo.html
Nitpick: chewing grains like rice doesn't "ferment" them. The enzymes in saliva break down the complex carbohydrates to make them available for yeast to digest and turn into alcohol and carbon dioxide. That second process is fermentation. The first is just preparing the raw material for fermentation. Grapes are just about the only natural crop consumed by humans that doesn't require preparation before fermentation.
Thanks Jim!
Cool
"It fermented in their mouths as they chewed."
That's what he said. Based on your explanation, that quote seems perfectly correct, to me at least.
Nice of you to add some detail to the topic, but it needn't have been
phrased as a correction, I don't think.
That's incorrect, the human body harbors several types of the bacteria known as candida, fermentation, in this case, starts in the mouth.
Try getting drunk off of something you "fermented" using the bacteria in your mouth.
“I don’t have a drinking problem, I have a drinking career.”
-STEVE-O
he quit
U kno
Yeah... Dude!
STEVE-O saw demons off of whippets, you know how many whippets you gotta do to see demons?
Work is the curse of the drinking class.
Partying to forget our meaningless and repetitive lives full of hardships is just such a human thing to do !
Well. Sounds like you should find some meaning.
"man is the only animal for whom his own existence is a problem which he has to solve." -Erich Fromm
Every other animal on this planet is fine existing just for the sake of existing, why aren't you?
Btw the good times make enduring the hard times, worth it. We don't party to forget, at least no one healthy does, we party to celebrate. To embrace the joys of living.
But so is kicking back and having a cold one after a splendid day of self fulfillment and doing what you do best and most like to, like fishing or gardening or whatever floats your boat. When we have had a bad day, or a great day, we all love our booze. I think we best learn to grow pristine livers and pancreases soon ;-)
Or we could put the effort into making our lives meaningful and rewarding,save ourselves the post euphoria pounding head and vomiting.
I am literally drinking as I type. My life was not meaningless today. It was full of problem-solving and creativity. I'm remodeling my porch in a design-as-you-go fashion.
As a high functional alcoholic like most adults my age, this speaks volumes. Humans have always been complicated and have always wanted to turn off the nervous mind.
"If the people of Kentucky could grow Percoset"
They can. Poppies. I'd imagine the climate is quite alright for it too.
Its not just Kentucky
Evan: "In China they found a 7000 year old type of beer...."
Me: "Sweet, I wonder if they have like a modern equivalent that I could try!"
Evan: "That combined rice with the community's spit"
Me: "Uhuh... then again..."
Agreed! Hard pass!
sounds like Budweiser tastes.
I was under the impression that magic mushrooms were around long before alcohol
Mushrooms exist 2,4 billion years, so yes you were right
Yea and adding more scary shit into a world full of sabertooths is what humans needed.
@@k3kboi665 But when they started seeing three-eyed mammoths...
So the whole “working a job I hate to pay for alcohol so I can cope with the job I hate” has been happening since ancient times
Not sure about the "have less children" part of farming. It is exactly because farmers had more children that they took over despite their short and worse lives.
A nomad can't have children every year, for example. You can't have another child until the previous one can walk by itself. Breast feeding it for longer is natural contraceptive too. And having more children doesn't make the nomad band better, its not incentivised.
A farmer can have children every year, because they don't need to carry then. They don't have the natural contraception of breastfeeding, since they feed it porridge. And having more hands on the farm directly improves the amount of land you can work and the amount of food produced. Even just having more eyes on the herd is worth it.
Also, about the religious experience of first tasting alcohol, we know how the steppe people tended to devolve into "settled man's disease" when they conquer a civilized people. Mongols famously stopped expanding because they became fat drunks. Attila supposedly died getting too drunk at a party. The settled man's alcohol seems to have been too much for the nomad, who only would occasionally drink fermented milk, today's health food yogurt.
That "settled man's disease" thing sounds fascinating. Do you have any links or titles where I can read more about it? Google and Duckduckgo didn't offer anything related.
Yeah, I didn't buy that either. Paleoanthropology shows an increase in population after farming began. Even if (and I don't think it's true) that hunter-gatherers had "more children" fewer of them survived to adolescence. Farmers would have the means to store food for the winter. Starvation was probably the most common death for children of hunter-gatherers.
@Ixian
I am sorry, I haven't studied history in english. I am referring to an old printed book that was talking about Temüjin Borjigin (Genghis Khan) writing about the situation, warning his sons and generals to spend very little time in the river valleys, and to always return to the steppe to live. He was advising that every mongol should go on pilgrimages alone to harden himself with starvation, living in a tent, chewing hard meat, etc, to avoid becoming as soft as the chinese farmers. Thats where I translated "settled man's disease" from. Temujin's son and successor died from alcoholism, forcing all the generals to come home to elect a new leader, right in the middle of them conquering Europe.
In Russia this line of thinking has been used to explain frequency of alcoholism. Testing random students with half a liter of vodka, people who kept the alcohol in their system longer and reacted worst also had more tatar/mongol genes, showing that among russians those that have trouble drinking have (on average) more steppe people genes in them, and suggesting that there is a lot of truth to the story of how the steppe people reacted when confronted with settled man's booze.
giveussomevodka Ok, so besides this theory being really interesting, 'Testing random students with half a liter of Vodka' is the most Russian way you could possibly conduct an experiment.
Didnt he say "The first farmers?" Obviously they figured that out later but the first ones mustve had a learning curve.
Love the Percocet bit... Virginia tried that with Meth... Blew their minds and their Winnebagoes
My best friend is an alcoholic, it really sucks because i’ve told him he should get help.. but in the end it’s his choice. What i’ve learned about addiction is you have to want to get clean and fight hard for it. Addicts can’t be saved by anyone but themselves.
Well that sorta kills the whole message of AA doesn't it.
@Robert Tinsley-- Not at all. People don't go to AA to get other people to "save" them, they go to AA to learn how to save themselves. The alcoholic part of each person has to choose not to drink and take responsibility for their behavior when they were actively drinking. That's what making amends are all about.
@@calichef1962 Umm. No. AA isn't a self help program, Step one teaches powerlessness. AA is a "Higher power, help me" program.
Does he take any other drugs than alcohol ?, I'm asking this for a reason don't worry it's nothing pompous.
Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Matthew 26:41 | NIV
I’ve actually heard this theory before, I had a professor discuss it in one of my intro level ag classes. Pretty cool to see it explored more in depth.
"What's so bad about being drunk?"
"You ask a glass of water"
Hitchhiker's guide to tue Galaxy
Farming is a good reason to get drunk: long hours of hard drudgery with little in return.
"If you were a hunter gatherer your life was devoid of any entertainment"
Well I dunno, that's a pretty bold statement. It's hard to say but people are are social animals and once they get together they tend to celebrate together, normally by dancing, feasting and drinking/getting high. I'm sure our hunter gatherer ancestors knew how to keep themselves entertained. Thoughts?
"Nothing more human than addiction" is a solid statement.
The thought of percs growing on trees is hilarious
"We've been getting bonged" think that's a different drug pal
In ancient times many places had a policy of not drinking the local water without adding a certain amount of wine. Apparently it offered some protection against water borne illnesses.
They don't teach this theory to kids at school for some reason. However, I am now in a cottage surrounded by barley fields being soon harvested entirely for breweries and it starts to make a lot of sense.
How does Rare Earth not have millions of subscribers? Some of the best content on the internet.
It was safe and reliable source of drinking water. Agriculture was worth because beer and bread are fermented. those tiny organisms convert carbs in a more complete food.
Mizuto Ryu ♡
I like how you break down humanity into the fact that we are human and flawed... Its nice to hear an educated and structured material in this day when people think humanity is above human traits like addiction, control, self-centeredness, war and more...
Even the best humans are still just human and make decisions for our selves first. Personally I feel independent growth and thought with limited influence by society is the only honest humanity. The rest is their alcohol buying your willingness to be controlled.
Boy I'm binge watching your videos like a Netflix series
freaking love your stuff man. educational, thought provoking, and in less than 8 minutes!
I really Hope you didn't put that Weizen in THAT Glass...
If so, my german Honor demands that we duel to the death!
“Imagine if you can for a second that the people of Kentucky could grow Percocet on trees”
Well the people of Oklahoma grow meth from RV’s and shake-and-bake bottles.
I love this channel. To me it's like.. backpacking across Europe or Southeast Asia, and though I've never done either of those things, this channel really takes a look at the spiritual side of humanity. To me this channel represents the art of wanderlust and imagination. Thinking differently than your traditional "Travel Show". It's so neat.
Learning stuff that schools don't teach. I love it.
Thanks! I think one of the things most people don't realize is that chances are very good we learned to make beer before bread. After all, if we were experimenting with what we could do with grains, fermentation would've been much, much easier to start - even accidentally - than learning how to winnow wheat (or whatever they did with it), mix it with just the right ingredients, then bake it. Beer might well have been the first batch that went wrong, like discovering penicillin. Once we had the fermentation process down, we could do it to other things, like grapes. Then, learning to control fermentation would have led directly to the leavening of bread. We could then bake it into cakes and such, not just tortillas. The birth of serious cooking! Expanding the idea of fermentation, we would have experimented with other things, too (again, probably as much by accident as anything else), which would've led to cheese. Let's see: beer, wine, cheese and grapes. Sounds like a party platter to me! And alcoholic drinks were a great substitute for any lack of potable water, which was vital. Alcohol kills germs, of course. In the middle ages, people in Europe drank something called small beer, which was rather like our non-alcoholic beer - except that it did have a small amount of alcohol, making it safe to drink, and giving it a long shelf life. In a way, all this relates to the habit of people who live in hot climes, of making their food very spicy. Capsaicin - the main ingredient in spicy peppers - also kills germs, like those in slightly spoiled meat. It also hides the bad taste. And it survives well in the human gut, thereby helping to kill off - or at least help control - human pathogens. Given all this, I wonder why it took us so long to invent spicy chicken wings! And finally, a minor susceptibility to alcohol over-indulgence might actually have had some survival advantage. Just think - people might have actually partied to kill off bugs in their systems, dull pain, tighten vital social bonds in a small community, have the courage to go chasing bison, and discovered leavened bread & cheese into the bargain! :D tavi.
Very nice introspection on humanity. GJ mates!
Homer: Have a beer!
Barney Gumble: Whoa! Where has this stuff been all my life!
I love it, but IMO you are missing the second half of what caused farming to catch on. It's the first time we had a system where slavery actually made sense. It's extremely hard to keep useful slaves in a hunter-gatherer society, as in order for them to produce for you they have to be left alone in the woods for long periods of time. This means that at best you can have 2 slaves per 1 captor effectively. With the introduction of farming, forcing people to work for you became a lot easier because all the work was contained in a small area and a few strong, organized men could force others to produce food for them.
I had never thought of it that way. Interesting. Presumably not the reason we started, but definitely a change that would have made sense once underway.
If I learned anything it is to never underestimate humans capacity for malice
I think you are putting the carriage before the horse here... As in I find it more plausible that farming made having slaves a "good idea" rather than the other way around... I don't think humans had a "surplus of slaves" just lying around so had to invent farming to keep them busy, most probably they started to think about having slaves -or at least having much, much more slaves- after they found out they could be useful in farming
I think you're all wrong. IMO: Cain & Abel.
But _if you give your slaves alcohol_ ... they won't think of themselves as slaves.
That last part really grabbed my attention. Time to go raid my dad's wine and drink some that's as old as I am. One fancy 2009 wine it is! Thanks Rare Earth!
Maybe you shouldn't if you're only 10.
It's my 21st birthday today is this a sign?
Yes
Happy birthday! As it happens mine's today too but I'm now 22 and I rather dislike using drugs unless I have to. Like needing a bit of caffeine to make it through a day every quarter or so.
Take it easy girl. I'm 30 now and I drink like a mad man in my twentys. Withdrawal isn't exactly fun but there is nothing wrong with a few drinks here and thereif you can handle it enjoy your birthday but be moderate it's the better way to go!
Happy Birthday =)
If you end up able to remember your 21st, you did it wrong.
Im 20 today
Kentucky : I wish Percocet could grow on trees , they are better than alcohol 🍺. It’s a summary from the whole video .
very reductionist. alot of assumptions made about pharmacology, psychology, and anthropology. early alcohol was so weak it would take a food-supply-endangering amount of indulgence to become drunken. pursuing addictive habits might not have been something partially nomadic/partially agrarian humans could have afforded the time/resources to do. they might not have had anesthesia and would have died younger but that doesn’t necessarily say they were a bunch of depressed alcoholics like us. the fullness of their live might well have provided them with some contentment and purpose.
also, the short interjections about addicts feel kinda judgy…or is that just me?
Elijah Ragland 🤔 Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Besides, on an empty stomach, it doesn’t take much alcohol to have a disoriented state of being.
Aaron Ketten my arguement that there is no will to pursue the despressant intoxication of alcohol. there were numerous advantages to agrarian society and accrediting the whole neolithic era to alcoholism is just flat silly. the most populated areas of the neolithic period showed evidence of periods of relative peace as long as 500 years and nomadic raiders did not start disrupting communities untill the end of the era. what pain to quelch? there are remains that even show women to have lived into their 80s. in the ancient pharmacopeia, there were more ideal, more potent substances to partake in and their effects fit into their societal values more aptly than the ethanol intoxication.
Neil Wiggs ahhh, my friend it appears we have been smoking the same grass. totally agree, the bottle and the ideologies that endorse it have killed enough havent they?
Luckily, we have books that have stories about the past, called history.
They were MUCH drunker than us. They would drink a ton on specific days, holidays, when harvest was done. Whole villages/tribes just completely wrecked. Greek history is full of stories of people getting absolutely and insanely s-faced on wine.
Kegs of it. People hallucinating, orgies, arson, rape, and so on.
Sailors were worse, much worse. Look at historical inventory logs of ships. Thousands of gallons of beer for relatively short journeys.
More primitive people would just ferment it until it provided the strongest effect. They were storing it.
They also drank while very very small children.
Africans had some weird yam or oil type booze that was 40 percent ABV, and they
would drink until seeing spirits and gods.
They were also high on speed depending where they were, chewing whatever they
could get to get high.
Cave people were a bunch of cracked out junkies.
@@personalinformation8678 Why would a human, with scarce resources and short life span, WANT weaker beer. Also, the stronger it is, the "cleaner" it is.
They were plowing fields, not performing surgery.
It was used for medicinal purposes too, very strong.
I am utterly convinced that farming started because of alcohol
I got drunk the first time in my life at 16. I fell in love. Never looked back. I'm 51 today and my favourites are whisky and gin. They always work, every single day. Never let me down.
I binged on this show after discovering it this past Friday, August 3rd, 2018. I cannot wait for the next episode.
two big assumptions:
1) tribal peoples today, who can essentially only live where the rest of us have chosen not to, are a good approximate for various iterations of societies in the distant past, who, particularly in the case of farming cultures, lived in ideal places in a fundamentally different and less human world
2) addiction is primarily biological. Sure, that's part of it, but it takes only a little reading to learn that isn't all of it.
- following from this, it's a pretty big leap (and inconsistency) to suggest that A) indigenous peoples experience higher rates of addiction/alcoholism because of a genetic predisposition (there is no one gene that determines alcoholism) and lack of previous exposure, and not because of the intensely negative changes to their social structures they've very recently experienced, while also mentioning that B) many indigenous peoples brew some kind of alcohol, like the ones in the amazon fermented with spit
I actually think this theory is pretty interesting and more solid than it may seem. To your points, sure hunter gatherer tribes were able to create their own alcohol, but it surely was not as easily and consistently available as when you create your own supply. Relying on naturally occurring resources and nature's rhythms of replenishment must have been a considerable limitation.
Secondly, I would not go as far as to say that addiction was the main driving factor for the continuation of agriculture. But it became a way of life, or a "culture", to grow crops and consume its products. In a sense alcohol could potentially have been the glue which kept all of the components together.
And alcohol as mentioned in this video is a very advantageous and reliable source of energy which made enduring agriculture worth it via these trade-offs. Agriculture had disadvantages, but it also granted a superior level of plannability, predictability and stability compared to a nomadic lifestyle.
It presented risks, but so long as the tribe sticked to the plan consistently, it ensured that there were less variables which could go wrong. Which is what ultimately what allowed us to evolve and progress as a species.
So it's possible that sticking to agriculture, was a combination of culture and alcoholism. Regardless it's fair to say that alcohol may have been an important factor in the initiation and continuation of agriculture.
I think a sort of nomadic farming predated settled farming. People spread an planted seeds of edible fruits and nuts creating a hospitable garden of eden. Eventually people became more and more stationary as seasonal gaps in food were filled and when abundance reached a level where specialized manufacturing became a viable way to make a living the city was born.
very cogent. and recall, all the earlier alcoholic drinks were lower in alcohol, thus had more residual grains/sugars, so more nutrients, and none were pasteurized, so any beneficial yeasts will still be in the drink. my favorite idea is from terence mcckenna, who theorized that early humans ate magic mushrooms, but as the source of the mushroom dried up due to drought (they grow in animal dung thats moist), people switched to alcohol, which gave some of the benefits of mushrooms, but not all. mushrooms may have triggered human evolution by giving us increased visual perception, energy, and group cohesion through shared ecstatic experiences, and higher sex drive/orgies.
So because some monkeys ate some mushrooms an had Some orgies we have humanity. Neat.
That's really interesting, i never really thought farming would have been less efficient at first, but i forgot how different our foods are now. Really glad we did it though lol
Anyone else drinking while watching this?
I do believe there's another hypothesis. There is a middle ground between a forage based society and an agriculture based society, nomadic pastoralism. Nomadic pastoralism can ensure a practically inexhaustible amount meat but there is a cost, the more cattle you have, the more they will damage the flora in the area, which is your source of carbohydrates. You can fence off all the plants that you forage but that would be very difficult to manage, but if all of the plants that you foraged were in a relatively small area, it wouldn't be a problem.
Shout out to Kentucky lol woo hoo!!!!
@@bcubed72 So many people have never experienced the Love that is Pure #4. Painkillers are teh suck.
We need more psychedelics around here. The ice and h has torn the majority of everyone I know apart.
dual shock which part of Kentucky do you live in?
This was great! 1 thing: alcohol does not lower heart rate, if it affects it at all it increases it.
That depends on the amount.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080212174615.htm
Hey man, been following your channel for quite some time now. Great stuff. Always good topics, and nicely edited videos. You make it look easy.
You're welcome in Armenia, hope you noticed that during your stay.
I genuinely, without a word of exaggeration, thought Armenia was one of the most enjoyable places I'd ever visited.
Drunkenness is just an amusement park ride that doesn't stop when you're ready to get off
In Soviet Russia, wine gets drunk.
Lukas 😂good one
In Soviet Russia, alcohol consumes you!
Then I wonder what is drinking the drunk wine like?
Thanks Jeff
In Soviet Russia, wine and beer are soft drinks.
As somebody who imbibes quite often, I've been lucky that I've been able to continue to enjoy alcohol without becoming addicted. I can abstain if I choose, but I'd almost always rather not. Being at a party when everyone around you is getting drunk and you've chosen to stay sober isn't a whole lot of fun. I've found that having a healthy respect for alcohol and realizing that it's actually quite a powerful drug is the key to not letting it get out of hand.
200 times? So watermelons used to be the size of ping-pong balls or smaller...?
They were a little smaller, but the big difference was the fruit/rind ratio.
Michael Berthelsen a youtuber by the name of Sam o'Nella recently did a video about why vegetables used to suck. There are pictures of a painting that show how watermelons looked at the renaissance.
Michael Berthelsen there are even paintings from 300-400 years ago that show how watermelons used to look like and it is kinda disapointing. Glad to live in the XXI century, I guess...
Rare Earth Thanks for the reply, didn't even get any notification of comments from the creator of the video... TH-cam is really dropping the ball now...
So the 'flesh' of the melon was drastically less. That makes more sense than having tiny, tiny melons.👍
T K from the credits: "Please note that Evan is often kind of an idiot. Don't take his word for it."
Although they were right about the watermelon. In my experience they rarely, if ever, make major errors.
Incredible outlook. ive often wondered why anyone would farm if they had any other option.this is as plausible as any hypothesis I've heard.
You act like alcohol was the only drug people were using back then lmao
Jerremy Hughes more like shrooms
@@woahdude3124 Agreed. I believe most, if not all religions were written up by people on shrooms, peyote, or ayahuasca.
There are even theories that state before we were "humans", we evolved to grow much more brain matter, and we became a far more intelligent species because of psychedelic use.
Don't forget marijuana people have been blazing for all of history
all those prehistoric MDMA labs. raves back in 6000bc must have been bangin!
@Frank Howe Mushrooms exist globally, my friend. There were shamanic-type cultures all over the world. I'd argue the reasons no lasting religions came out of the Americas might have something to do with most of the people living here being exterminated by European diseases and settlers during the discovery of the "New World."
Really neat video and a unique perspective that is worth considering. Hello from Toronto Canada!
Sam Onella Academy made a video "why produce sucked".
If you see that video, it provides a nice context for this one.
You got that right. Nothing is more human than addiction. It's how we got shit done(or don't). Addiction can also be seen as parallel to extreme focus.
If Percocet grew on trees in Kentucky, people would be rich in Kentucky... not broke. Just saying.
This theory makes sense in a way that is contradictory to the evidence we have on how modern society developed, that complex communities were created based on the unity, and living on close-quarters meant that they are less susceptible to violence. This did not made sense from the perspective of a hunter-gatherer, but we did it anyway because ADDICTION.
Loved this episode. The history of agriculture reminds me of the modern argument against government social programs.
Was it considered lazy to stay in one place and farm? Yeah, that's why they would be raided all the time, but stuck through and created a better future that wasn't solely based on survival.
There is more to life than the rat race. Yeah, you could "win" the rat race, but you're still a damn rat.
Damn, well said.
Nicely put
You assume that agricultural societies are happier. Are agricultural societies happier than hunter-gatherers? Are industrial societies happier than agricultural ones? It's a question worth honestly asking.
How have I not seen these videos before. They are amazing. The production quality is great and so are the stories. I can't stop watching. You got my subscription!
I don’t have a drinking problem. I drink 🍻I get drunk 🥴 I fall down no problem. 👍🇦🇺
This should be trending .
you forget that farming in a moderate climate is a more reliable food source. it's a bit of a stretch to think farms where just started for alcohol.
good video anyway.
Wine was a relatively recent addition to the ways people got buzzed. It shows up later in Greek history, and required the introduction of the sulfur candle to fume the pots to keep the wine from turning to vinegar almost instantly. It should be noted the sulfites were probably the reason for complaints of asthma in ancient writings like Seneca's letters, which got better during times of fasting. I know it jacks up my lungs and sinuses.
I'm just wondering what Armenian pizza tastes like.
It depends on pizzeria. I am from Armenia and after reading this comment I realized I actually actually never ate a non-armenian pizza and now I wonder what it tastes like. There is also a food called "Armenian pizza": Lahmajoun, which tastes totally different.
Btw, Lahmajoun is also known as Turkish pizza, Lebanese pizza, Syrian pizza and Arab pizza :D
I'm drinking vodka right now....BTW I live in BC Canada..... get this 100% true: my grandfather is 94 years Old, he's still drinks 1 to 2 bottles of whiskey per day and 1 to 2 packs of smokes, never had heart attacks or strokes or cancer, 100% perfect health....everyone in my family ( Irish and native american). always live to at least 90 years old, all drink alcohol daily, most smoke or use drugs, all are 100% healthy.... we only die early from car wrecks or accidents etc.....my grandfather doesn't even drink tea or coffee or anything, just whiskey starts by 8:00am, then supper or meals he drinks milk, that's it!!!!? he never drinks anything but Pepsi, whiskey and milk!!! for over 50 plus years!!! 100% true.
I think that back then, they wouldn't have enough of it to make a huge addiction, that's why they were sensitive to it to begin with.
Like a lot of addictions nowherdays, we get much more than our bodies were meant for. We can never have enough because back then, the world would tell us when we did have enough.
Ruan Coetzee maybe in a couple thousand years the same will be true of sugar
Well, we're already addicted to sugar. It's in everything nowherdays, and it stimulates the same part of our brain that is stimulated by drug use.
"I think the reason people started farming was to get drunk."
We've found clay vessels with alcohol traces 1200 years older than the earliest known traces of agriculture.
I am not sure, but when you said 1000 times and so on(about grains and fruits sizes), I guess you would probably meant 1000%, hadn't u?
Thiago Sposito nope, hes serious. Check out sam o'nella for more info on the topic.
No, he meant, 1000, TIMES.
Yo. I'll assume this comment will get buried, but I just have to show my respect and appreciation for your videos. You cover really interesting stuff, and give me a lot of information and ideas to chew on. Real props to you.
Any type of alcohol aside for Martini Bianco (for some reason) makes me really sick. I guess I'm allergic, which is kind of ironic because my dad was a drunk.
I get sick as fuck when i drink too but i still drink alot and i almost always black out
His useage might have caused you to develop an allergy
Just drink whiskey and beer
This isn't the first time I've heard this theory that making alcohol was the foundation of agriculture and thus cities, and thus civilization. But it might be only the third time. It makes good sense, I think.
You are incorrect about subsistence agriculture being a harder life style than hunter gathering. What happens is at first, subsistence agriculture is very successful and results in two things: population growth and the rise of society including more people doing jobs not involving food production, collection of property, tyranny (living off farmers by force) etc. But the key is that the population growth fairly rapidly results in the best agricultural land being used up and the population keeps growing to the maximum possible that can be supported on the available land and then either there is a miserable life, or there is war/famine/disease.
Timothy Whitehead hunter-gatherers had really figured their shit out. They would've often hunted down entire herds of and then prepped their meat in order to suffice them for up to a year. It has been estimated that the average hunter-gatherer would have worked only about 4h a day. In addition to that their life wasn't subjected to the climate as much as a farmer's. Choosing a permanent lifestyle would have been a really shitty decision in the early stages of farming. With time that of course changed, but there is a reason why we started farming so late and why it needed so long to really become the majority's way of living.
It was not just intoxicating it was a way to Purify water. We couldn’t have crossed the Oceans without it.
Interesting theory, but the ending where you say; “There’s nothing more human than addiction” is nothing more than your convenient choice of wording to push your theory’s agenda... My point, I can think of a lot of things more human than addiction, without any true effort... For instance:
•Love
•Pain
•Fear
•Lust
•Hunger
•Laughter
•Sadness
Etc... Etc... Etc... Etc... Etc... Etc...
Please note, I’m not trying to come across as cynical, but your closing comment has no true merit! Please, if you disagree, I’d love to understand why...
Regardless, your video is/was still very thought provoking and entertaining.... Cheers
Poets aren't actually given licenses, and phrases don't actually turn. Yet everyone understands the meaning.
Rare Earth, hmmmmm.... I’m just going to assume that you must be waaaaaay smarter/philosophical than I am! My reasoning, I literally have No FN clue why and/or what your responses point was/is...
Yet animals laugh, love, have pain, have fear, have hunger, have sex drive...but not many animals are addicts. Even if so, most likely not by nature.
SO in a way, there's nothing more solely human than addiction.
Redline chillllll these videos are more meant to be thought provoking than anything else and they certainly accomplish that
Google "there's nothing more human than..." and you'll find the phrase is commonly used to describe things that are very common, rather than the factual 'most human thing'. That's called poetic license, or turning a phrase. Hence my response.
Amazing video. as a brewer I've had the same ideas of why we started farming and why drinking alcohol. it goes even deeper when you realize fungus are responsible for fermentation. Who or What taught us how to ferment 😉🍻
i've only got one problem with this theory: the bored caveman. I used to work in reenactment and i grew up playing in the garden. for years i wasn't interested in getting a phone and when i did it was a basic model. I only got a smartphone because i had to for work and even then i rarely used it. the only time I tend to rely on modern tech is when i have nothing else to do. back then the day was often busy: finding food, hunting, butchering, setting traps, cooking, making tools fixing shelters and yes storytelling (which is great by the way and is way better then deadpool).
an old saying goes: a man will work from dawn to set of sun, but a Woman's job is never done. this shows that you were working and awful lot.
also it makes a bit more sense that they would have alcohol at celebrations and other things after great fights, hunts or great endeavours or tragedies. I know people that have been completely smashed at a party celebrating football or whatever and some who drown their sorrows at funerals or after getting fired from a job. it's more a reaction that an action.
i'm more inclined to go with the idea of it's safer and more nutritious then other ways of storing food and grain. in europe when the water was bad they use wine, Ail or beer and even in the trenches of WW1 they added whisky to the water.
At the University of Sheffield, although very briefly mentioned, back in 2007/2008, at least a couple of our lecturers references this as a "why not?" of our species' evolution. As with much of archaeology, though, this may be largely tied in with other developments. We are our best, and the worst of us the prevailed
Drink alcohol > get drunk > everyone now looks like a perfect mate > get loads of childrens (mostly different fathers)
There are only two friends I miss in life and that is weed and alcohol. There was and is nothing that ever brought me such joy.
Prohibiting use of the letter I on pain of an involuntary ounce sip of your beer turns into prehistoric conversation.
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This has been a theory for a while.
How the hell do you keep pumping out videos this excellent is beyond me.
Addicted to this channel amirite
Civilization and alcohol are entirely entwined. In the early bronze age, low proof beer was used to keep grains in a useable form for longer periods and the slight intoxication was just an added bonus.
When you become an adult you realize this is the price you pay
I get what you mean in that we kept farming because we liked alcohol, but that doesn't make someone an addict. It tends to be a lack of social structures and connection that creates addiction, rather than just access to the substance.
That was beautiful Evan. 6 months clean from opiates as of Three days ago. “ There is nothing more human than addiction” Evan Hadfield
I don't know if its the beer talking but you earned my sub
I'm certainly addicted to your videos.
Maybe being wasted was how people stared seeing talking snakes, flying glowing people and talking donkeys