The Expanse S5E10 Recap and Alex's Death
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THE EXPANSE S5E10 RECAP AND ALEX'S DEATH
Ty Franck (one half of James S.A. Corey) and Wes Chatham ('Amos Burton' on The Expanse) talk about The Expanse Season 5, episode 10 and Alex's death.
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I love the choice you guys made for Alex's death. He went down saving his crew and piloting the Roci, it's what Alex would have wanted. You really did the best you could in the situation.
*Screaming Firehawk, not the Roci! ;P
He was piloting the Razorback.
@@deanadewall8400 Aw Damn, You guys sure ackchyually'd me. Point still stands that the show creators did the best they could in the irl situation.
Yeah they let the character exit in a heroic way even though it was a big departure from the books. The only issue is that it made s6 feel a bit empty.
It was a perfect execution of a really shitty situation. Kudos to Naren and the writers for writing and directing themselves out of a really really tricky situation. Was such a bummer at the time because Cas Anvar was instrumental in banding all the fans together to save the show. Guess it went to his head. I miss the guy though.
Thanks for discussing Alex's death and how/why it was handled that way in the series. I completely understand why no one wants to discuss the real world reasons for Cas leaving the show. But it felt like no one from the show wanted to even discuss Alex's death in the show. (Except wonderful Wes slipping a few times and mentioning Alex. :)
Cas/Alex was a huge part of the show for five seasons and I felt like he portrayed Alex from the books perfectly. Losing Alex from the series story line was a big loss. Thanks for giving him a hero's exit and it was awesome how it was handled from a story perspective. I also loved the references and remembrances of Alex woven into season 6. The scene with Bobby and Amos singing "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" was awesome. (^‿^)
Very sad to see Alex go, but it was interesting to see the whole switcheroo with a familiar death being doled out to a different character. Definitely hit me by surprise. Gut punch for the loss of a beloved character.
I think that is also why Fred was killed in the way he was as well... how can you surprise people who knows what is coming from reading the books. You need to make changes...
I always hear people hate movie versions of books because they try to be the same thing, but fail. Then again with Movies usually you don't have the writer of the book doing the screenplay. That is what makes the Expanse so special since it had Ty & Daniel working on it.
@@TYandThatGuy True. With The Expanse TV series, you can't really make the complaint "this isn't what the original writers would have done". Although there was one misstep in the whole series that really bothered me; when Amos has his breakdown on Ilus. Whereas book Amos seemed to be utterly even keel in that clusterfuck of a crisis. For the show, i just felt that particular Amos collapse came out of left field. Didn't feel Amos-y.
@@TYandThatGuy It's a point I always try to impress upon people when they complain about book to visual media adaptations and yell that "it didn't happen that way in the book!", even if it is just a small change. If an adaptation did everything 100% the same as the book it is based on, it would be completely predictable and I feel that people would eventually get bored with it.
I always appreciate small changes if they fit well into the story (changing a lot of stuff and essentially writing a different story altogether is another matter, of course). As sad as it was, I felt that Alex's death was a change that fit very well, as it had been hinted for the entire show that high G maneuvers could cause a stroke and we finally got to see that dire warning pay off. That it was borrowed from Fred's death in the books was fine as well, as Fred's show death was equally fitting for his character.
@@robertcavanna789 I believe Amos has trauma about being locked up in a dark place. "I haven't felt fear since I was 5". Blindness triggered the hell out of him, he's way off balance when Holden tells him about the incoming blindness.
Come on Amazon we need more of this masterpiece of a show, best Sci Fi show ever hands down.
I was hurt in Chandra Wei - Jess Salgueiro died in season 4, I loved her character.
Jess Salgueiro is so awesome and was amazing as Wei... I assume you watched our episode with her.
Alex getting killed off devastated me, the roscinante family is no more, I’ve done all the books and Alex is there until the end 😢
Always enjoy you two whether it be discussing The Expanse or movies or other subjects. You two are great together. Thank you for the fun. Was very sad and unexpected when Alex died in S5E10. I had read the books ahead of this season, but it was done well and I understand some of the non story related reasons. Still a great season!
The books are the books I always say… if things stayed true to the books then we wouldn’t have had the amazing performance by Cara Gee and the Drummer character.
@@TYandThatGuy Also Klaes Ashford, great character that got improved by a lot in the TV series compared with the books. I also enjoyed reading the books while watching the TV series and seeing the differences and how much you guys worked on building even more on these characters history and personas.
@@TYandThatGuy excellent point. No arguing with the supremacy of Cara Gee. Her Drummer just perfectly absorbed Michio Pa like a hungry amoeba.
@@TYandThatGuy You guys deserve all the shoulderpats and approving nods of the world. Honestly amazing how you adapt the books onto the screen and manage to make it different-it's hard to put into words-yet better too. The books are great, but you guys managed to make the show simply amazing! I know that writers may not want to hear people say how "you improved the story etc." but you really, really did. I'm glad to have seen this series and I will very likely remember it 'til the day that I die.
One thing I always wanted was more of an insight into Holden's back-story, and what made him the character we know and love.
It WAS great to get the insight into Amos though, he's probably my favourite, rich and most complex character from the books.
No plan, no buildup, just suddenly....gone. That's exactly how something like a stroke can happen, and considering how often it's mentioned as a risk it makes perfect sense that someone would go out that way. It's a reminder that the crew of the Roci isn't just out there hitting the warp speed button and then chillin in their recliners- space travel is legit dangerous and Alex wasn't in great shape, as has also been noted in-character.
Considering it wasn't reshot, just edited together, they got really lucky with the scene where the Razerback arrives on scene - Alex appears visibly stunned and shakes his head like he's in pain. Fits perfectly with the narrative that he's just had a stroke, and yet while filming that was presumably just shaking off the juice or something.
@@alastormedial totally, As Ty mentions, in the books Fred Johnson dies of a stroke suddenly, just like this, when Fred was shot in the show, I was a little sad that we were robbed of that scene, the realization of how fragile humans are floating around in tinfoil cans at speeds our squishy asses can barely stand. Also in the book the setup was that because of the rocks hittin' and chaos in the system, supplies were mad short, so the only juice available was the shitty kind that wasn't as effective and had harsher side effects.
I was definitely one of those people who was super-tense during Amos and Bobbie's dive to the Ring Station in S6, SPECIFICALLY because they had already killed off a main character at the end of S5, and this was the last season. In my mind, all bets were off at that point.
Been catching up for about a year. Show completed first, then audiobooks (through #9 on my commute). And now up to date on the podcast. The podcast is a joy! I've learned a lot about TV show making, writing, and movie making. And also have a long list of movies to watch. Ty and Wes... great job with this.
Im on my 4th full watch of the show and it's still so exciting to watch . I know it's kind of stereotypical but this show came at a tough time and picked me up . I love hearing the goofy BTS stuff that went in to the show
Same! This series got me thru some dark times in beginning of Covid. I haven’t rewatched it but recommend it to everyone and anyone asking about something new to watch (Sci fi or not!)
Only four?
If the series ever returned, I wouldn't mind seeing Bull get a turn at being Kit's father if y'all wanted to try and continue some of those storylines and themes from the later books!! I think it's really awesome how you gave us some of your insights to putting all this together, thank you!!
Bull was awful in the show, his only character trait was being a racist asshole. Idk how they botched him so badly compared to the book character
@@dapeach06 But that's entirely my point for seeing him try to be a better person thirty years later~! :D Instead of Alex literally speaking the antagonist of the series and failing to realize that (the one time he brings it up in the books someone interrupts him and they never speak of it again~!) is not comparable to overt racism, but he was established to be a capable pilot as well as someone Fred Johnson (who is dead now!) trusted. I understand being offended and never wanting to see them again, but have some imagination and think of Kit. There's no reason to write that off. Alex's final chapter in Levithan Falls is one of my favorite parts of the story and we aren't going to get that because Cas Asner is a fucking piece of shit. Have a heart. Believe. Also PS Bull straight up was despised by most of the people who knew him before he died in Book 3. He literally spaced that one guy over drugs, right?
ALSO PSS Kit literally has a scene with his wife where they decide to go live on a colony so their infant son doesn't develop as a belter
Sorry I don't mean to go on and on, just why would you actively wish for less returning actors and characters when we already didn't get Havelock back, or like a bunch of smaller perspectives that mattered in the Free Navy Conflict like Anderson Dawes or Laconians on the Proteus the literal one time we would have gotten to see it do anything???
I always loved in how the BBC TV show *Blake's 7* that the actual titular character "died" and the show continued (the very reluctant to be typecast lead actor had gotten an offer from the Royal Shakespeare Company that he couldn't refuse). Although it did also undercut the earlier death of Olga Gan, underscoring that even the original "7" weren't really safe.
Thanks wes, you went Jay from jay and silent bob for a freaky second..."Snoochy Boochies! AHHAHAHAHHAHAHA!" thanks Ty for being sensitive to the situation w Alex, the stroke was a shock, but we understood why it happened after reading press news. Daniel was Genious in that moment, and the hazard of High G burns wasnt lost in that moment...It was a graceful way out for everyone...all things considered.
I loved Alex and losing him was donkey balls. But I've re-watched Series 5 several times and I think the show nailed his death: really fitting. Great episode guys. Thanks.
Thanks for this. It was a really tough call to make, and in the moment I had all kinds of feelings about it because I'd read the books. But you all handled it very well considering all the stuff you were dealing with.
Thx for clearing up the A-Team magic bullet phenomenon. Been bothering me for years.
Really interesting to hear most of season 5 was filmed when the decision was made, I felt like the timing and way Alex was killed off seemed pretty natural, especially considering how unplanned it was. In the first few seasons Alex felt indispensable, but his character became less sympathetic gradually, and in season 5 it felt like other characters were given more to do so he was less needed. If I hadn't heard about the real life reasons for killing off his character, I probably wouldn't have even guessed it wasn't planned. Also huge credit to the cast and crew for how that situation was handled and the support that was given for the women who came forward.
R.I.P. to best damn pilot in the solar system! I think the show handled it perfectly!
While working on the B-roll the scene where Alex shakes his head after a burn... I forgot about that.
It was the team that mattered. He and Roci, his true love.
I finally had a chance to binge The Expanse and I grew fond of Alex, he and Amos were my favorite characters. I knew ahead of time that Alex was going to suffer some type of fate but I never looked into how as I wanted it to surprise me. I figured he would have been killed in a shootout or ship explosion, but I was not expecting him to suffer a fatal medical issue. It still got me teary eyed to see him go.
During an earlier episode when the Rocinante was chasing the asteroid Eros, Alex himself explains that under high G's, even all juiced up, they aren't likely to survive, so it was unintentional foreshadowing. I thought you guys handled his death perfectly, especially since I had no idea the actor was leaving the show beforehand and was totally caught off guard by the scene. I do wish there was more time spent by the crew mourning his loss, though. Not quite Spock-in-photon-torpedo-with-bagpipes levels, maybe, but more than just a casual conversation on the quarterdeck.
In season 1, episode 1, we have 3 different reminders that high G maneuvers can be deadly. The seeds for the death being grounded & believably in this universe, was great.
It was foreshadowed but not for season 5. It's not comparable with e.g. Rob Stark's death which served a purpose in the story, to setup a legacy and motivations for the Stark family, their destiny and so much more. Rob's death was necessary at about this point. It wasn't just about showing off that everyone can die anytime. That's not why you follow a story. Alex was the brain of the Rocinante. Writing this character off early before the final battle was an anticlimactic but unavoidable choice. Unless they substituted the actor with someone else or avoided letting the actor go, which probably wouldn't have resolved a ruined atmosphere on set once he's present, and this also affects the overall quality of the production. To me, the Rocinante is more entangled with the whole plot than any other character. I think Alex should have died piloting her in season 6. Unless you take the following books into consideration. I'm not comfortable with the time span between both storylines.
@@matfax jt was unavoidable. They had no choice. A recasting just wouldn't have worked
@@Takhar7 I guess so. Cas was kinda unique. Not easy to replace in a compelling way. It would look differently if they had to replace the character with a somewhat aged version in the later sequels.
@@matfax the replaced Arjun from the earlier seasons, with Arjun in season 4, and people were so confused. That was a secondary, super minor character - imagine the reaction if they did that with a key cast member?
Wouldn't have worked. Let's also be honest - replacing Cas in the middle like that, would also have given the entire situation more attention than it deserved.
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I think you set up Alex’s death perfectly. I’m just really sad the character won’t be in future shows for books 7, 8 and 9. And no other character will be able to believably pilot the Roci. The Roci is probably in mourning too. The Roci and Alex were besties. ❤😊
what? how was it perfect? it seemed very rushed and disrespectful.. and the very next scene we see Bull in his chair with Alex's coffee cup? Bull is a poor mans Alex!! like how was this in any way perfect?
@@satanspy Agree. They could have recast Alex. As a book reader, there are many Alex's moments that we love but sadly we will not be able to see them on screen if they decide to continue the full series.
I completely understand why Alex was removed from the show but man it sucks that we won't get Alex's incredible book ending in live action one day
Amazon needs to take some of that “Rings of Power” money and give it to Naren and you guys. For how bad they screwed up with a billion dollars you guys could have adapted the rest of the books and it would have been pure gold!
Alex's death was handled extremely well. It shocked the shit out of me when it happened... he was such a likable character. Then I did a little googling and found out the underlying story behind Cas Anvar which was so very dissapointing to read. That just sucked... 😫
I would have preferred a recast, to be honest. But I also think that establishing the show as being a different telling of the story gives an "everyone's at risk" feel which is really good for the show.
I must say Alex's death shook me in the way a main character's death should. It was tragic and I felt the loss. The death did not feel cheap and I did not feel cheated which is always a risk when killing off a character that has been around for that long in a series.
The team always felt like they had a bit of plot armor since Shed went, but I’m ok with out this turned out. Like you guys said, it raised the stakes.
Can’t wait to see how fans react to the MAYBE adaptation of the next 3 books.
Also, Breck uploaded the Bobby/Amos behind the scenes video on Twitter. It’s incredible
y'all got a link for that? I can't find it. Ta muchly.
I want the link too! Sounds awesome.
I think that's meant to be. You see, the whole coincidences that they find themselves in the midst of important situations are very unlikely. It's their destiny you have to accept as part of this universe. Some force wants them to make the choices, like in every good RPG. It's easy to suspend your disbelief over such a force.
Ty states the airlock scene was the only new bit - have to assume the bit with Naomi and Holden in the infirmary was too, right?
Thanks guys! 👊🏽
The inter-season death would have certainly led to "Alex Kamal died on the way back to his home planet" references
See y'all in 30 years
I'll be honest, I hated Fred Johnson's death in the books, but it worked just beautifully for Alex's character. It made so much more sense for a pilot to go out that way. I will always consider the show an improvement on the books in that regard.
13:18 Yea, no sht, I was crapping my pants thinking Amos is a goner that whole episode.
Nice explanation
Regardless of the accusations, I miss the Alex character.
I’m actually curious if the allegations have been proven or was it a lie? Or just rumor or he said she said. Basically I’m asking if there’s any proof these claims actually happened?
@@tarn1135 They were proven, they launched an investigation and found substantial evidence and that's why he was removed from the show and has since slipped into obscurity.
@@plaidtuxedos they launched an investigation. Ok. Sure. What’s substantial? If it was just a text message saying hey come to my room or some said they remember him saying mean things. That’s the problem with the metoo stuff, vague accusations were enough to kill someone’s life and career. Don’t get me wrong sometimes the person really is that bad, but sometimes the accusers are just trying to get get their own 15 minutes or a pay day. Again if he did actually do something I say rot in hell.
@@tarn1135 there was nothing vague about it. And it was a huge number of (young) fans.
@@sharpeslass5452 ok. Like what exactly? How young is young? Under 18? Ok I get that and good riddance to him then. Was it something like “hey baby you look good” or was he grabbing them? Was he saying either do this or you’re fired or was it hey wanna get a drink after work? I only ask because I’ve only ever heard rumor of “impropriety” nothing specific or to be honest , untoward. I personally don’t really see an issue with asking someone out (even if you’re married as that’s something between the husband and wife to work out) even if it is morally wrong to some. I do drawn the line at threats and forcing someone on either side of the magical 18 line and if that happened he deserves to be gone, no excuse for that.
So i didn't know about the out of fiction reasons for that till i was talking about how impactful alex's death was to a friend and they told me the real world context. very surprised, and very impressed that it was so elegantly done
You should be organizing for continuing The Expanse . Nothing proves that more than your dedication to the characters arc . If you did organize the masses will follow you.
Man what the Heck!?
I loved Alex...😢
Damn, such a loss. I think that loosing Cas one of two worst events during the series production, just right to losing Brian George as Arjun Avasarala. And you guys didn't even had a change to make it right in the first place. Same for Bull, I think he'll be at least somewhat descent replacement as a pilot in Season 6.
But, you did good with with all the options you had, so no pressure. Thank you for the great show (my favourite one so far, to be honest).
I don't know how you guys plan to make seasons 7-9 without Alex, but I still do hope to see them someday anyways.
I feel the same. There are many precious moments of Alex on book 7 - 9 I wish to see if they ever make to the screen.
You know who didn't have amazing stuff in the books? Drummer... the tv show is not a carbon copy of the books.
@@TYandThatGuy yes, I saw the discussion. Yes, I like the tv versions of Drummer and Ashford, as well as other little details and fixes for the books. It would still be good to see Alexes closure as it was in the books. Nevertheless, Its a great show, and Ty looks pretty satisfied with results. I myself made an MCRN car sticker and a laser cut for my thermo mug and still start every conversation about tv shows with recommending The Expanse. And I sure hope to see laconian armour and ship designs on the screen someday.
The issue I have with Alex’s death is that there is now a huge hole where Alex belongs in the final trilogy. I still have hope that we will see the Laconia storyline somehow….someday.
They did the best they could with the unexpected exit of Cas, and you've addressed it today better than last time you had the chance (with Dominique), because you're adknowledging that it had to be forced. But sure, you made it make sense. Good job. That being said, I would've replaced his character a bit with TV Bull or somone else. The idea of all of them getting to pilot the Rosinante like it wasn't a big deal felt a bit forced.
Agree, Bull's actor left for another show unfortunately. He got along really well with Holden and I would have loved for him to take over piloting. They could have had Clarissa pilot potentially because she has some experience, but that would have been a huge departure from what she does in the books.
@@bleepbloop101010101 yes, seemed like a tough call either way.
It pretty much feels like forced.
Yeah but they already handwave the need for a doctor or even a medic with the magic autodoc so I feel like the audience is pretty primed for certain roles to be hot-swappable.
I think most of us in the audience knew why Alex was killed off, so that in itself didn't raise the stakes as much (at least for me) as Wes thinks.. but season 6 is the final season so that means the gloves can come off and no one is entirely safe and that's what made the final season extra suspenseful for me.
This was a great episode. It was a fitting end for Alex.
You made the right call, given the circumstances. RIP Alex.
The biggest issue I have with s5 is the lack of devastation on earth, we see the dead people outside the elderly home but there would have been millions dead, the oceans would have been coated with bodies just like after the tsunami in SEA back in 2004. But Amos and Clarissa just walk around in a somewhat broken land.
We're watching Magnum Pi right now. Selleck shoots everyone 😂
Is season 6 scheduled?
"That was one hell of a ride." 😔😌
Alex is the most unique character ever of them all ... a pakistani texan martian .... sucks what happened
why is one of his eyebrows shaved?
I wanted to see Bobby space surf a torpedo to save Naomi
Revisit Max Headroom. It holds up surprisingly well
thanks guys, hope your Halloween thing was fun
i think your best line in the show, is were you closed the door, turn around and said " but i am that guy".
best moment of the show was alex's death.
but now the greedy creeps up at the top need to release the show so we can watch it again. and not via pay through the nose viewing.
This is pretty cool behind the scene content.
Thanks I am glad the guys talked about it even if it is still a sensitive subject.
I think they handled it as well as they possibly could, given the circumstances. The more I thought about it after seeing the S5 finale, the more it made sense and felt fitting. Killing Alex off is much better than recasting him in the 6th and final season (terrible idea). And killing him off in the finale is better than writing him out between seasons (I agree with Naren). And the death is heroic, fitting for the character, and very much justified by the scene that was already shot. They acknowledge that it is very dangerous, a danger they have been flirting with for five seasons now, and Alex knows this and makes the choice to risk his life to save Naomi anyway.
And its in a moment, narratively, when ALL the characters are risking their lives to try and save each other. Holden and Bull fully expect to die fighting the Free Navy, buying time for Alex to save Naomi. And Naomi threw herself into the vacuum to escape Marco, yes, but also to save Jim, Alex, and the Roci from Marco's trap. The whole crew is willing to sacrifice their lives for each other in this season, they put themselves in harm's way, and Alex ends up making that sacrifice. Good stuff.
And rather than just ignoring the death in S6, it has a big impact on all the characters, as they are all exhausted and grieving. And despite S6's breakneck pace, there are still several moments of fond reflection for Alex. You can't say they didn't do the character justice.
One thing that takes me out of stories is knowing a character cannot die because it would blow the story. It absolutely diminishes the tension. Casually killing off characters is not a solution either. I thought the end of Alex was perfect. So often it is overdone that you can see it coming from a mile away. It is a tough line to walk, not tipping it off and not keeping the character around despite every reason to believe the character will die. Drama is often a willing suspension of disbelief and preserving the illusion is no small feat.
I've just started book 3 in Audiobook form. I figured I'd have to read the books to finish the story.
The shows are generally based on the books but characters are combined and storylines are tastefully changed. The show series now ends at book 6. There is 30-year jump from book 6 to 7.
I completely get why things went down for the show the way they did. The only thing I think was a let-down was that we missed out on Fred's death in season 6, which in turn changed the entire feel of that battle. It was one of my absolute favorite moments from the books, how it was foreshadowed by Bobbie hearing the medical alert going off but tuning it out, and we KNEW something bad had happened but didn't find out what until the chapter's end. How it went from a bitter defeat on the part of the Free Navy to Marco painting it as his own personal victory, and how much that whole situation affected Filip.
At the same time, I love that the books and series are in many ways two separate but intertwined stories, and there are interesting differences that set them apart. To be honest, I was way more worried you guys were gonna kill off Drummer!
I think switching Fred's death was great... it was shocking and unexpected. This obviously was intentional and it worked!
I do agree tho... when I was watching the final episode I was thinking you better not kill Drummer!
Would you guys ever go back to finish the show later on? I know there's a time jump in the next book anyway.
There is a foreshadowing from Clarissa's diagnosis that the time jump will be smaller if they were to continue with the show.
To me, it was clear Alex was killed after filming ep 10. His death was just a shot of him from behind, just sitting in his chair with some beeping. Very little setup or afterthought to his death. “He had a stroke.” 😂 And of course Naomi calls him an idiot. 😂
I'm just watching season 3 and thanks to TH-cam recommendations, I got a mega spoiler 😮
Ty, did you leave twitter? Are you going anywhere else we can follow?
Why is the Roci animated differently? Each season the Roci is flying through space one way or with the antenna facing up. Anyway just curious
The Origin Story of Amos in Memorys Legion is worthy of a spin-off show of its very own for Wes, that said the key characters deserve a further spin-off show, including the Miller/Investigator character; if something for these characters can be developed in a new story arc then that would be fantastic and it would get a lot of buy in from the fan base. As for the Death of Alex, it was a sad situation and you had to roll the dice, it was a tough call for sure, but it was the right call, thats the main thing for the character.
Did Ty get hurt?
Is Ty ok? The bulge above his eye is getting bigger, and his hair is gone. I just want him to be ok, he's an indelible part of what makes my favorite sci fi book and TV series great, and without him, we wouldn't have Amos, or the amazing worldbuilding of The Expanse.
Didn't Fred died in book 6?
I just finished book 5 and Fred didn't die, so it must be book 6.
I love Amos
Looking forward, if book 7-9 will ever make to the screen, we will miss a lot about Alex. Recast would have solved all the future problems without Alex.
haven’ t read the last books yet but I’ve been wondering with the time jump if they can’t do something with Alex’s son to use his story if those later books ever get adapted or maybe that is already part of the problem
@@emerraldx From the angle they took with Alex's death, the entire story line of Kit is written off. If they continue with season 7-9, it will be many different stories. Perhaps, Filip can be a stand in for Kit, moving forward. Well, I don't want to spoil your last book.
Amanda Pays.
I didn't know there was a reason behind Cas Anvar leaving the show. I just figured this was the writers showing once again that main characters aren't safe from dying in the story. Now that I know what transpired, I'm angry. Funny how like so many other "M2" allegations, once the target gets fired from their high profile job, the accusers walk away and nothing else happens.
I think Alex’s death would’ve had more shock value if it wasn’t for the ensuing investigations about the actor. At the time it felt very tacked on especially when one saw the original stills on how it was filmed.
Fred Johnson’s death had more shock value, and this was before reading the books and knowing he dies in book 5 than 6
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Just finished book 9. Amazing stuff- but throughout I was checking to see how integral Alex’s character is to the story. It’s not but he’s useful as another Roci crew member to play off, especially when Naomi returns to Freehold after Bobbie dies in Book 8.
So, to allow some continuity for Alex’s character after the 30 yr jump- could they have a new pilot to fill in for Alex? Who knows, Melas Kamal would be in his 40’s and flying with the Roci crew with a small backstory before book 7 to assist continuity of Alex’s character- but without him becoming a grandfather in book 9? Maybe he has his own wife and family he doesn’t want to abandon on their way to Nieuwstad?
I’m just imagining new novellas in this universe
I was thinking Melas too. All this time behind the scenes he could of gotten experience/training as a pilot to follow in his father's footsteps. With the time jump it's also plausible he could develop a relationship with Bobbie as her actions suggest she would reach out to Alex's family and the whole Mars connection. If Melas piloted the Roci the whole "we see your father in you" arc could be of value to make it feel a bit like family again with all involved. Just spitballing as my desire to see the last 3 books come alive is overwhelming! :)
@@markschmidt8967 I’m gonna reread those last three books with the novellas. I was desperate to know how it all ended. Book 7 dragged a bit, but 8&9 just zipped by. And the epilogue was just so beautiful, and funny. I can hear the actor’s voice delivering those last lines
@@PHDiaz-vv7yo I audiobooked 7-9 after the series ended cause I just had to know as well. Then I started from the beginning and listened to all 9 again! Definitely do the novellas as they add so much great backstory especially the newest one for those curious about Phillip. No wonder Wes loves Ty, he gets to live forever!
What's happened to Ty's eyebrow?!
It will always be a mystery… people keep asking this and it will never be answered.
Amazon took is as part of their deal once the series wrapped.
The hand holding the trimmer trembled when it was attempted to tame his lush mane 😏
@@bleepbloop101010101 Cheap bastards didn't even want to pay for a full season. As if they were hurting for money.
YES, I understand they "saved" it from earlier cancellation. Still. They obviously have the money.
It was absorbed in order to feed the power of his other eyebrow. Sometimes, sacrifices must be made.
Honestly knowing there was a real life reason for his death softens the blow, but i still found it so infuriating that Alex dies instead of Naomi (who has become really fucking annoying by that point with her constant crying etc)
I must admit his death was a complete surprise though
Why would you put the spoiler in the f*&^ing slide image? Some of us just see this stuff on our feeds. C'mon guys.
Where there any conciderations about picking a new actor for Alex? His ark becomes most important in the last books so it would have been nice to see the character stay in case they get made.
I am wondering the same. Why not a recast?
You know who didn't have a massive arc in the books? Drummer... I don't hear people complaining about that because the tv show and the books are different.
If the show continues I think it will work out just fine...
Do you remember when Brian George was recast? In regards to the Alex character the decision was made... I think they did talk about the fact that S6 having only 6 episodes played a part.
The series adaptation is really great, I think Drummer is an fantastic character, probably my favorite. Combining Michio and Bull into one person made her way more interesting. (Cara's acting helps a lot too) All of the important part of the story are kept while making it more compact. Better than keeping everything exactly the same but rushed.
With the tools you had in production, Alex's death was well executed. I also knew the reason beforehand so I understood why it didn't have a lot of screentime.
I understand why Alex had to go and why it couldn't be helped, but as a lover/owner of the books, if we ever get books 7-9 made, I kinda hope they slot Clarrisa into Alex's role. I think it would be great to bring Bull back for the Persepolis Rising story and give him Clarrisa's arc while giving Clarissa Alex's arc through to Leviathan Falls.
Bullets wiz by and by. Never did hit one damn guy. On the A team.
lets say the hard truth killing of alex was lame as shiiii ..... we needed a alex and bobby alone series but you know holyywood a bishhh
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Ty doesn't even remember the books he helped write...Fred dies in book 6.
Hmm. Yeah, somehow the occasional misrecollection or misstatement doesn't bother me. I just really appreciate how enthusiastic and thoughtful they are about sharing info and thoughts about all aspects of the show for us!
Also "helped write"? Quite the understatement 😅
I will have to bring this up to Ty now hehe...
@@TYandThatGuy Tell him I've read the books so many times now, that I've lost count, so if he has any questions...just give me a holler lol. Love the books!
Oh, they’re talking about the Expanse on this show again finally?
Our show isn't just The Expanse... also it was October and the guys wanted to do Spooky Movies.
@@TYandThatGuy I know, and that’s cool. It’s been a long while since the series ended, and we would love to hear what the guys think about season 6 and the finale. When do you think those last 6 episodes get on the schedule?
@@Smk202020 Can't wait for them to go back through S6! I loved the interviews they did for the original run, but they didn't spend much time talking about the episodes themselves.
Totally agree. Only 6 episodes to go there.
Put SPOILERS under description you clickbaiters!!!!
Alex stroking out being assembled post hoc from existing footage CONFIRMED! This isn't a suprise, of course, because god, that's the worst scene in the series. Sorry, guys. Gotta tell the truth.