Milton Friedman would absolutely shit himself to find out that now we give those benefits to people who are here illegally, whether they qualify or not.
it’s not just about the absurd benefit hand-outs, or the potential criminality, but rather it is most fundamentally about the simple reality that we are in a DIFFERENT ERA - and in this specific time and place the value proposition of “CHEAP LABOR” is not worth the projected REAL COSTS in the immediate future. what are those real costs? well that’s a much longer and deeper conversation than just hand-outs & crime
@@702TifosiGambler we can not live life through the lens of ABSOLUTES, over-generalizations, and -simplifications it is not “the country”’s fault. there are specific individuals / organizations and the end of all money trails (which is why they prefer to use dark laundry, too)
Rudy was created equal - No doubt a few would...maybe half. The population of economically literate people is dwindling. The lemmings of either party are doing us no favors.
spot light how is that immigrants fault? Welfare is the problem. Not immigrants. You are punishing them for our handouts. Let them go. Take off the handcuffs.
Gotta love Milton's smug look. You just know this man's gonna drop some knowledge. He thinks he knows all the answers and he is correct. RIP Milton. Thank you for everything you did.
California didn’t ruin the country California ruined California, corporate greed, media propaganda and the Matrix ruined the country you were just programmed and along for the ride and didn’t know it
The thing is, only someone who is NOT seeking office could be this honest and mathematically correct about economics and immigration. Today, more than half the country would stop listening to Milton Freedman and just call him a racist or white nationalist. They would reframe his argument because they can't debate it. So they would simply be forced to discredit him.
Free immigration was a bad thing because it allowed a flood of people (including my ancestors) who came for simple economic benefits and not due to a love of freedom and liberty. Some immigrants did come for freedom and liberty but many simply for economic benefits and that watered down all the ideals the founding fathers fought for. And that has lead us to the lack of civics we have today.
Interesting how times have changed. We need someone with knowledge like Milton Friedman in reviewing what state of affairs Our Country is in on the issue of illegal immigration and how to find a solution to implement a better way to have it sustainable and not out of hand
I think it's due to hyperexposure to instant, short, simplistic information nowadays from social media. People don't have the temperment to truly listen to something like this. People either prefer to hear Trump style rhetoric of a type of fear mongering about illegal immigration or lesftist style oversimplification just saying "everybody belongs" and that we should be open to everyone or else we're racist. Everything has been dumbed down to cater towards a generation of people who's attention spans have deteriorated and want all their information in 30 second clips and it's just not possible to reasonably discuss these kinds of things anymore, because a lot of people just won't listen. The 2016 election is one of the greatest examples of this because you can see both sides spread apart more and more becoming more and more extreme and I don't think it's gonna stop anytime soon unfortunately😕
Apart from being a genius economist, Milton Friedman was a fierce debater which is why he succeeded. Plus his Economic policies were quite applicable as well. He started monetarism. Nobel prize winner. Thing is it's hard to find best of both. You can find great economists today but not necessarily good at public speaking like Milton
This man is brilliant and his words are crystal clear, thought-provoking and expose the ignorance of people on both sides of the political aisle...even decades later. Thank you so much for posting these.
@@MrJason005 I think Europe, especially a couple of years ago. The immigration problem in the US is overblown by both sides. (I'm not saying it doesn'y need to be dealt with obviously.)
Basic supply and demand. Mass immigration of low skilled workers keeps wages low because there are so many of them. Since they're a 'dime a dozen', employers don't have to pay a fair wage in order to hire them. Illegals may not qualify for welfare programs, but they certainly do get it. About ten years ago, I spend almost a month in an ICU wing. When I was released, I spend several months convalescing, and couldn't return to work. I had to swallow my pride and apply for food stamps. When I got to the office, I was the only English speaking applicant in the waiting room. Applicant after applicant was asking for an interpreter because they could only speak Spanish. Able bodied adults, who only speaks Spanish? Don't try to convince me that they're legal citizens, because speaking English is a requirement for citizenship. But speaking English is not a requirement to "jump the fence".
Carl Schnackel no such thing as low wages. The market determines wages based on demand. If employers want to fail, they will pay lower than the average wage and lose all their customers with shitty products. They will no longer exist as a business. Free markets auto correct themselves. No need for armed morons at the border controlling wages. It’s dumb.
You can still have legal immigration and not have new immigrants on welfare Australia has a strict immigration policy If you come illegally you will not be allowed to stay If you come legally you must work and have private health insurance and not afforded citizens benefits and privileges If you have children education is not free I work with 4 immigrants 1 just became an Australian citizen after 9 years 1 just received permanent residency after 6 years They both had to work hard to prove themselves worthy of their status
The “if you come here illegally” thing works well because Australia is an island. It’s super easy to police illegal entry. no land borders with a relatively poorer nation. It’s not as easy in the US. Other than that, agree with your comments and Aus’s policies.
We’ve also let in floods of immigrants- illegal or not. The fundamentals are still the same: we need to protect the dollar by bringing in more workers because if we don’t, inflation will be too excessive since we’re printing too much money and there won’t be enough productivity to back up and legitimise the Monopoly money we’re printing
What “ myriad of benefits we pour out” is he talking about? The US has the worst “benefits” Compared to any industrialised nation on earth. For unemployment, for poor people for the sick or the disabled, for pensions for the elderly, for veterans you name it. We treat our most vulnerable citizens like crap in this country while the rich elites keep getting richer and richer every day. We
@ It’s because of ppl like you with peasant mentality, accepting whatever crumbs the oligarchs give them, we are in this mess. US is the richest country on earth, yet 62% of Americans live pay-check to pay check and 74 percent have less than 5k in their account!!! Wealth inequality is real. Stop believing everything you are told people. We all deserve better. Have a good day
Ouch. 2:12 hit me right in the feels pretty hard. We had this good good thing which was beneficial and warmly welcoming, organic to reality and the natural flow of things. Then the government messed it up with good intentions not knowing the collateral damages.
He is technically wrong about the date. It was 1882 when they began to restrict immigration not 1914. Doesn’t change his argument but facts are important.
in previous waves of immigration the difficulty of travel ensured that only Europeans could get to America, it worked out that even peasants from remote Russian villages could very easily integrate and were happy yo adopt the American ideal. Now people from countries with failed cultures and very different mindsets can swamp other countries and refuse to integrate but build an enclave of their own culture while getting the benefits of the culture they do not want to be part of.
@@bobbytate9907 African immigrants do well in America.. The first generation of children of African immigrants graduated from college at a 65% rate, which is twice the national average.. Most of us come to America with a fine command of the English language, and our crime rates are far, far below the national average. And our marriage rates are also higher. I'm sure it's quite the scenario with Asian immigrants as 99% of us come here legally. Matter fact... After Jews, Indian Americans have the highest income level. And Nigerian Americans have the highest level of PhDs per Capita in the US
@@ousamaabdu794 You're right of course--however a problem occurs when we assume that economic immigrants are representative of their particular race. There is an argument to be made that many of these immigrants have statistically superior IQs or psychological equipment, and chose to leave their own nations precisely to exploit those qualities. There is a well-established relationship between the economic performance of a country and the IQ of it's inhabitants. It is difficult to assume that Africans, for example, are as generally intelligent as Europeans or Asians, given the continually poor economic performance of their countries. I well remember a few years back, James Watson--one of the pioneers who discovered DNA--was shunned by academia for suggesting that heritable intelligence was the reason for this. He was right.
He is missing that in 1914 the average immigrant was higher educated and higher skilled than the average citizen. Now they are much lower educated and lower skilled. In 1914 we had a quality of life that was on a par with most other nations sending immigrants. Now it's much higher than virtually any other nation. In 1914 we had no concerns about water shortages, where to put landfills, open space destruction, carbon output, etc. Add all of those problems to the costs of the welfare state and it clear immigration, like all things must change. ALL immigration needs to end for a few decades so we can figure those things out.
I agree on many things with Friedman, but not this. Many variables have changed since 1914, making immigration, both legal & illegal, a bad thing its host nation. Furthermore, by Milton’s own argument, we can go back further in time when there was no border, and let’s make the entire globe border less. Clearly, bc many variables changed, open border throughout the world would be catastrophic.
I live on the border with Mexico in the US. Being an "illegal" immigrant keeps the wages down in the first place, but yes if there were more illegal immigrants, that would cause more competition and reduce wage rates, not from the employer, but from the worker competing for work.
Welfare mate... My grandparents were refugees from the 1st war.. They were put on a lot of land to work on and make it productive. That's the only welfare they got.. back breaking work.. they helped build a nation. Now days, it's more likely they are out to destroy it due to the welfare system and the lack of need for unskilled labour.
Unreal by today's thinker's, they just do not understand the effort that wave of immigrants put into the American dream. My Great Grandfather came over and worked for several years, saved enough to buy a farm and sent for his family. My Great Grandmother lived into her 80's, was renting rooms and making floor mats from bread bags (selling them for 2 and 3 dollars) in the 60's and 70's. When she died my mother found decades of bank books banded together, and found out she had saved nearly $150, 000. This was in 1976, not bad for a 4 foot 10 Polish woman.
"Why was free immigration was a good thing before 1914 and a bad thing now?" Because we no longer have free farms to give away in the Midwest and West in our then-agrarian economy. We're full up today.
I do sympathize with the less fortunate, but you have to consider our future as well. Truth is what do you think would happen if we got rid of food stamps over night? An epidemic of starving and malnutrition? That's too extreme. In the worst case, people would go out and find jobs. Right now and you even said it yourself, for some it is actually more efficient to collect these welfare checks rather than get a job. Sure some people might be have it bad but in the long run it will be better.
The bracero program, referred to by Dr. Friedman, ended in 1964. "Bad laws make socially advantageous acts illegal and therefore leads to an undermining of morality in general" (Friedman),
@@mongtkb How about when Sirhan Sirhan assassinated Robert Kennedy in 1968 because he was enraged that the RFK supported massive USA military support of Israel. Doesn't that count as terrorism?
Also immigrants are much more diverse now. Before they mostly came from Europe. Now they come from South America, Africa, India, and China. This makes assimilation into a cohesive whole much more difficult, as these people come from wildly different places. It was much easier to assimilate people who all came from one place, Europe.
People from South America are traditionally Christians, they speak an Indo-European language, their countries are republics with liberal democracies since 200 years ago. Their culture is Western, it does have its particularities, but it's clearly Western framed. In case you care about their skin colour, a large number of them have light tone skin colour, they look white. The ones who look darker just paint them white so you'll be fine. About Chinese people, they're pretty westernized nowadays and they love to mind their own business, they just study and work their butts off, they won't bother anyone either interfere with our culture. Oh, they are not "yellow", pay attention. There are different skin tone in the vast China, a large number of them are white, the ones who have darker tones just same thing, paint them white.
Biggest difference between the turn of the last century and now is the types of jobs. Last century, a strong work ethic and a strong body is all you needed. Now, those jobs have gone overseas, so many new immigrants become a net drain on our economy.
He was more a theorist than economist. Economists look at charts and determine market trends. I don't think I have ever heard this guy speak about price stability, inflation, market sectors, economic growth. He was not really a raw data guy. Nonetheless he had a brilliant brain for economic policy making and knew how to protect an economy from artificial anomalies.
@@silvervalleystudios2486 what??? Are you serious ?? He wrote an entire book about the monetary policy of the USA (from 1860 to 1960), he has an entire chapter in his extraordinary book (Free to choose) about inflation and you say that he doesn't talk about that... really???
@@nurwe1704 I majored in accounting so I only did one economics subject as a core with no electives in economics. I always thought of Milton as a neo liberal think tank guy. An academic. I will definitely look up his bibliography and check out his work.
@@silvervalleystudios2486 what you are talking about is finance. economy is about policy and is very broad. ''theorist'' isnt even a professional occupation, I think the closest thing would be philosophy
He forgot to also mention that prior to 1914 we had an invention/manufacturing revolution in this country and factories were begging for workers. The car, the telephone, the airplane electrical appliances, etc, all needed to be manufactured. We needed new roads, street cars, water systems, bridges, ships, railroads etc to fcacilitate transportation systems to get the goods to national and international markets.
Listen to his speech again. He absolutely says why immigration was fine back then, because America needed to jobs/workers. America wasn't a welfare state back then.
The Federal Income Tax wasn't introduced until 1913 (the 16th Amendment) so it was difficult to implement a social welfare system before that. Once the tax was in place, politicians couldn't resist spending other people's money so there had to be controls placed on who could enter the US.
progressive Teddy made Woodrow Wilson the president. Which founded FRS to corrupt bankers, welfare state to corrupt poor, interventional policy which lead to WWII, government bra-in washing machine.
@@michaelroberts9427Teddy made Woodrow president. Wilson created welfare state to corrupt poor, £R$ to corrupt bankers, propaganda machine, meaningless war intervention, which lead to WWII.
The problem of this video today is that illegal immigrants get benefits today. So the situation that he says will lower everyone's standard of living exists now as they pour over the border. Also he did not talk about new diseases they bring over the border and did not consider how many illegals are hostile to the United States.
He puts the entire issue of immigration in terms of economics, but there are cultural and social considerations as well. It's evident that Americans have developed a certain lifestyle over the last two centuries, and most want to maintain that lifestyle. They don't want to live amongst third world people who have a totally different viewpoint on everything from religion to code enforcement. I can guarantee that people like Milton Friedman would not want to live next to immigrants who burn trash in their yard or blast the morning call to prayer through a PA , irrespective of whether those people are contributing to the economy. It's ludicrous to assert that such people will assimilate to the American lifestyle when assimilation is now equated with racism.
That's because in 1914 they realized things had changed. In the previous century, the country was a frontier and the people who came here were settlers, not immigrants. The world is a very different place now and the arguments by Friedman are not valid.
There is actually another possibility: a two-tiered system. In other words, we allow people to immigrate but refuse them access to the normal welfare benefits. This seems to be how things work now for the most part, immigrants come here and work illegally under the table and don't get access to government programs like Social Security. Then their children are given citizenship and allowed access to the normal benefits. This system could be formalized and modified in certain ways. For example, perhaps immigrants could gain access to the welfare state by paying into the system for a certain number of years. This method keeps the benefits that Milton describes without the downsides of burden on the existing populace.
The problem is that you then effectively create 2nd class citizens. Having 2nd class citizens is a very unamerican thing to have and has caused many other countries a multitude of problems.
@@michaelmalanot8506 in that case, rich people are second class citizens. Because rich people don’t qualify for benefits either. Nobody should be entitled to free money. Everybody should be entitled to freedom.
@@firstlast9916 Rich people don't need benefits. You're insane. Being given less rights because you were born in the wrong place is not freedom. Jesus Christ.
@@xibalbalon8668 I know. I’m for open borders. And I’m for letting people get rich if they want to. No need to steal from the rich to give to the poor. Benefits should not be given to anybody.
@@galafuze www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1500&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6100&fn[]=10100&fn[]=14100 California has the highest homeless population in the country. Their population makes up about 24% of the population. They have some of the highest taxes in the country.
@@galafuze dq.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/cahsee/ExitProg1.asp?cLevel=State&cYear=2014-15&cChoice=ExitProg1&cAdmin=S&tDate=07/23/14&TestType=M&cGrade=AG&Pageno=1 These are test scores using their data link. As recent as they allow for high school exit exam 19%passed statewide out of all students tested.
@@GabrielAgustinGarcia1996 Neoliberalism is libertarianism. Neoliberals such as Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton advocate for free markets, low taxes and open borders. Neoliberals however are a little bit more utilitarian and advocate for government intervention to fix market errors caused by socialistic and fascistic programs.
@jezza1789 Speaking from someone who has lived on the US Mexico border all my life,illegal Latinos in Texas are going by the way of the black demographic.Children born to single parents are going up,where as before you had a strong family base.You would be correct a few generations back,but today we're seeing generational welfare.My grandmother was from Mexico and she worked her but off without the subsidies of the federal government.I live in the heart if immigration and its a sad sight "today"
Actually, legal immigration does support welfare programs. It does so through taxation. There's very little downside to having legal immigration. Illegal immigration is arguably worse because those individuals are taking infrastructure and jobs from legal residents without paying taxes.
This is what I always say! thank you milton friedman for explaining this to people. Over here in sweden everyone blames the immigrants for taking out tax money, but why do we have to stop immigration? Just stop giving them welfare
when my mom came to this country with a visa, worked, she spent a fortune close to a decent down payment for a house on lawyer fees, and government applications so that she may have a greencard&SScard, my brother greencard&SS card, and I greencard& SS card, took her about four years while me and my brother where in our native country. i understand the frustration with illegal hispanic immigration, however, they are hard working people when in comparison to the bottom of the pile US citizen living on welfare, food stamps, and shitting out four kids. Now yes i understand hispanics are also trying to do this, so in return their child would be an LEGAL US CITIZEN, hence they would also recieve benefits. I say cut able bodied motherfuckers OFF and people will be forced to get back to work. ANY SUGGESTIONS?
this was back in 93 bud. obama had nothing to do with immigration back then, PRE-9-11 years were the best years to get into the country LEGALLY, it was expensive, but it was worth it.
My Point being every person that is immigrating legally and all the millions that have done it the correct way just got a slap in the face last week... If we have open borders and a generous welfare state, The USA will not survive but for a decade maybe two...... I'm serious, You tell your mom, she should demand her money BACK. With INTEREST!!!
Let's get the facts correct! No talking points from a Worthless Filthy Stinking Progressive Marxist Communist Democrat Party Web Site or Barack Obama, He is all of the above! 1. 80% of Illegals have less that an 8th grade education, Don't Speak English and will never make enough to pay Federal Taxes... 2. These people will become experts on gaming the system....... have you ever heard of "The Child Tax Credit. These same people that will never pay taxes will now be getting $4,500 To $16,000 from the U.S. Government annually on top of everything else... Why would any person work that can stay at home and game the system sell drugs and net 70 to 100 thousand Dollars.... Stealing from the productive to pay worthless future Dirty Filthy Stinking Progressive Marxist Communist Democrat Party Voter Stock....... Milton Friedman is Correct, You Did not even watch the video or you would not have made your comment above.....
Milton is Correct, but the reason they are dirty, filthy, uneducated is because the democratic party, and liberals, activists, all favor for government aid programs which atrophy any ability to become economically independent. I agree. however once these illegals can adapt to our society through paying their fees and applications for a residency and citizenship, they can also get an education while doing this (should they choose to) or group together to open up businesses, hence reaching economic affluence. im sure your grandparents came here in a golden airplane, or not ellis island? lol but all is good ,YOUR WORD nor mine have any weight on the matter (thank god). So yeah ill take what i said Back. KEEP COMPLAINING ...............................ITS ALL YOU CAN DO. :p THANKS GOOD DAY
Chinese Exclusion Act. And the Quota systems that were prevalent during the same period. If the Quota on Poles was filled, Poles would start claiming they were Czech or Slovak.
@@robertgibson6687 I doubt anything significant would change even if they were allowed in during those years, tho. Do you think it would, I am genuinely interested. If yes then why. If no. Well the thing he was saying would end up undesputed, still.
@@robertgibson6687 OK. USA never had free immigration even during the complete free market system of the past. Does this mean Milton's theory about immigration can't work?
There was actually a paper written by a U Chicago economist that I came across a few weeks ago. He was saying that one of the main reasons we have not been able to emerge from this recession after 4 years is because there is less incentives for people to find a job if they are receiving unemployment compensation, welfare checks, and other forms of federal aid. In some cases, they would lose money by a taking a minimum wage job.
If there were no benefits from the government then they wouldn't. First of all typically people who are already citizens tend to have a higher standard for jobs so they wouldn't take low paying ones. Also if there wasn't hand outs they would have to struggle on their own account. They would have to make money which helps the community. Making money helps everyone. Taking money doesn't. Plus farmers have had harder times getting people to work on their farms but immigrants would take the low pay
Illegal inmigrant from Mexico, BRASEROS, born in California, New Mexico, Tejas, Arizona, part of Oklahoma, Colorado. We born here. Who is the illegal ???. 😁
then the next election cycle they vote for themselves to have welfare too, brilliant plan... _“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” _ -Benjamin Franklin _“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”_ -Alexander Fraser Tytler best solution is to end the welfare state all together.
He seems to miss another reason immigration in the nineteenth century was substantively different to the twentieth century -- the US was in some senses unconstrained by resources -- the western expansion meant that new immigrants were almost *necessary* to populate new territories, all while urbanization was occurring. When new immigrants could simply move to new lands in the west, often in their own enclaves and holding onto their culture, there was no real reason to restrict.
I would rather live in a poor country, surrounded by neighbors who look like me, sound like me and worship like me, than live in a rich country surrounded by strangers. Leave it to a member of the tribe to barter my sovereignty for some short-term economic gains.
After reading the majority of the comments here, I reaffirm my point. The viewers did not at all listen to what Milton had to say and went from being intellectual, logical, clear-thinking, to ignorant and uneducated, misinformed viewers who clearly get most of their information from biased Facebook posts and equally uneducated and ignorant family members. The majority of the comments are so incorrect. Seriously, where do you people get this information?
Thus men without exception wander about in the garden of Nature; they imagine that they know practically everything and yet with few exceptions pass blindly by one of the most patent principles of Nature's rule: the inner segregation of the species of all living beings on this earth.
Obama is a dumbass ...O'Biden is just the same!! Who really is the US President?!? Who really run's the US Gov.?!?!? Obama don't ... Biden?!? Nope .. he's a stoop!! Valerie Jarrett control's Obama!! and Ms. Big Beef (michelle) hate's that shit!! They never went to Yale!! That's where everything stem from's!!! Colleges!! Fix that ... you'll feed a bum for a day ... Stop going/paying for these leet Universities!! Feed a family for a life time!! People lie, People have an Agenda!! People go to school to make them look cool!! .. but they forget about one thing .. (I'm sure they have this covered, the US Gov., have been spying on us for years) They don't have reason!! We Do!! Someone is scared and it's not the People of the US!! Why buy soo many rounds of ammunition? They're scared because they know .. they know their Policies are Garbage!! Their shit doesn't work!! They have to resort to violence!! It's the Progressive Way of Life!! Or the Commie way!! It's not a Liberal why of life!! Sry Lib's ... you can't use Liberal anymore!!!
The problem with free imigration is not one of economic nature, it is one of cultural nature. As history has shown, countries that are home to a variety of ethnicities naturally tend to disintegrate due to a lack of social cohesion between those ethnicities. In the case of the USA, while it avoided the secession of the South during the civil war, the result today is a state practically without welfare - as Friedman recognized correctly, a welfare state and free immigration are two goals that can't be reconciled, but since a society needs cooperation on more than just the economic level, a welfare state is preferable to any form of other state.
TBF, Democrats want it, because they can import voters, and big Republican donors like it, because they can hire cheaper workers. However, you are right. It's the social impact that should worry people most; not the economic one.
Florian Wicher - The "cultural differences" are the last of our problems. It's the racism and fear of those differences that gives us the hatred we see in the right-wing. They don't know how to deal with change. They want change to go away. Not possible. Now, illegal immigration is illegal and should be controlled. But, why the hubris and hatred? Why not be the one who teaches people how to be an American and how to assimilate. Violence is not the answer. American culture is another culture that is well-known around the world. Unity will hold this country together but it seems the right-wing wants to end any semblance of unity and start a civil war. This is what your comment is aiming for?
If people are clever enough to seek their own benefit on top of everything else, they will cooperate just fine. The whole world cooperate in the production of goods and services. And it is not their cultural similarities that make them do so. It's the market. Watch Milton's video about the pencil. It's a simple and beautiful example of what I just said.
Hold on now. For many of his videos, I've seen conservatives comment on how Friedman sticks it to Liberals and proves them wrong. Now, he's Practically arguing against what conservatives advocate for today. And yet, those same conservatives refuse to apply the same logic to themselves, the logic that Friedman has indeed proven them wrong. Friedman himself states that people are inconsistent by arguing that immigration USED to be beneficial and that in (his) modern times, it isn't. And now many people watching are falling into the trap he himself pointed out, of people arguing that immigration ONCE was beneficial to both parties. Now it isn't. As Friedman himself stated, "How can people be so inconsistent?" How can the same people who pointed to liberals and say "Haha I told you so!" Refuse to look themselves in the mirror and say "Haha, liberals told me so!" ?
There are differences between today and the days of open immigration: The preponderance of immigrants then were European, that is, shared common cultural values. The US was giving away free farms at the frontier through the homestead act. No one could immigrate and live on government welfare benefits.
@@firstlast9916 I never mentioned Mexico specifically, but referred to immigration in principle. If I had mentioned it, I would have observed that Spain is in Europe too, or was when I last looked. So yes, Mexican and South American immigrants are fine with me. We just can't take too many all at once, but have to meter our immigration rates under today's conditions, or so it appears to me.
Oh my . . . This is the same person that sold “Supply Side Economics” to the nation in the Reagan Era. He completely forgot that Demand is just as important. Perhaps he was counting on Advertising BS to sell his Economic BS. RIP Milton.
Depends what else these folk bring. If they bring a tolerance to worse living standards, living standards decline (wage depression) If they bring a tolerance to behaviours that were formerly rare and considered undesirable, behaviours become worse It largely depends on: to what extent you think people are blank slates to be filled with whatever culture they find themselves in and to what extent they retain their former behaviours? If it is that people largely retain their ways of doing things: people from states that are not doing well, who retain their behaviours (that on the large scale resulted in their former state being less desirable) they will simply drive the receiving state towards the same problems.
@@MarkYoung049 In America perhaps. In the UK first generation migrants have historically been very keen on Britain and happy to be here. Their kids and grandkids however tend to be hostile to the country (or at least feel themselves as as least as much Pakistani, for example, as British). It is also common to find immigrant populations living in what amount to ghettos with little contact with local populations. This makes assimilation very difficult (coupled with the deliberate policy of 'multiculturalism which frowns on assimilation) it also breeds contempt for the local population (plainly demonstrated by the ongoing child abuse crisis, whereby largely non-British gangs abuse British girls... and do so because they do not view them as worthy of respect as girls from their own 'communities').
Friedman prescient as usual. However things have changed. Illegal immigrants are in receipt of all sort of welfare provisions, for them and for their children. He's wrong though in comparing Mexican immigrants to the European immigrants of the past. Huge differences in IQ and/hence in culture.
How did people benefit from people illegally immigrating in the past? I don't see how anyone could possibly benefit from more people other than businesses. How does importing low skill people do anything other than drive up the supply of low skill labor? It would be one thing if we were importing scientists or engineers, but we're not.
kiwin111 it would mean you can start a business easier because there’s more workers and they can start a business easier. Scientists and engineers are having enough trouble as it is finding work because everyone goes to collage now. What creates wealth is business. Scientists, engineers and workers just help that process.
It is not true that the US open immigration before 1914. Chinese immigration was restricted from 1882 to 1943. To say whoever could get to Ellis Island ignores a huge group of immigrants.
One essential factor in immigration that always, always, always gets neglected is culture and race. These are very important concepts and structures that underpin nations and democracies. This should be no surprise, because race is most we talk about all the time in Western society today. Other races and cultures mixed in one society always segregates and starts rivaling, competing communities, and this threats the unquestionable power (in form of representative politicans in a democracy e.g.) of the domestic people. Massimmigration can thus be used as a tool to undermine democracy, as in Sweden, where someone can become citizen within two years time. I like Milton Friedman, but in this matter he forgets that immigration before 1960 was mandatory caucasian people since North America was seen as an exstention of Europe and its peoples. Certainly other races could qualify, but the policy aimed att keeping USA majority white/europeans. This truth is slowly nearing an expiration date, which is frightening.
Viktor Käll the only evidence of that happening is with African Americans. Every other nationality that has come here did not create a permanent alternate culture. When migration is voluntary and no concrete laws are made to create subclasses, then there is nothing to worry about. Brazil is a good example. Brazil had way more slaves than the United States and yet there is no such thing as an “African Brazilian” today. Because slavery laws didn’t ever really exist there. By the time they abolished slavery in Brazil, there were no longer any slaves there. The public automatically stopped slavery without a civil war. There was no fight from anybody to keep slaves.
Alex Mulvihill Just stating facts people should be aware of. Many people don’t know this, I let them make their own decisions on what it means to them.
Alex Mulvihill nope. Most are Asian and Indian. Nothing wrong with that. We hated Italians and Irish just as much as we hate Mexicans today. Same shit, different day.
Milton could't have been more correct; he highlights the exact that mistake we're making here in the UK to this day, and we're by no means alone in doing so.
The UK has tax and welfare system that favours large families. Thats always going to attract cultures with high birth rates. Council estates in the UK are bursting at the seems to accomodate Somali families with upwards of six kids. In Australia we have the same situation with our commission housing program. One of my mates is a school teacher and he tells me they refuse to pay for their kids school levies and books but their kids show up to school covered in the latest Nike gear. Welfare addiction plain and simple.
Silver Valley Coins and Bullion all countries should have tax breaks for families. Firsts world birth rates are low. Young people support the retirees. If everybody in your country is old, how will people pay into the system? There will be no tax revenue if your country is a bunch of 70 year olds.
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Milton Friedman would absolutely shit himself to find out that now we give those benefits to people who are here illegally, whether they qualify or not.
"We" don't. The damned Democrats do
it’s not just about the absurd benefit hand-outs, or the potential criminality, but rather it is most fundamentally about the simple reality that we are in a DIFFERENT ERA -
and in this specific time and place the value proposition of “CHEAP LABOR” is not worth the projected REAL COSTS in the immediate future.
what are those real costs?
well that’s a much longer and deeper conversation than just hand-outs & crime
@@yasyas618well said so do you still love your country that doesn’t love you? Since your answer is yes..Why😉
@@702TifosiGambler we can not live life through the lens of ABSOLUTES, over-generalizations, and -simplifications
it is not “the country”’s fault. there are specific individuals / organizations and the end of all money trails (which is why they prefer to use dark laundry, too)
They don’t get welfare or social security.
God this man is a genius. Get hooked on these kind of small clips.
Promethean Allegory agreed, it’s just pure education from a genius instead of the shouting from left wing narcissists.
Sam Jones - The Republican national committee should just show these short clips before every election to clue voters back to reality.
Promethean Allegory pretty sure republicans would shoot at the screen if they played these clips.
Rudy was created equal - No doubt a few would...maybe half. The population of economically literate people is dwindling. The lemmings of either party are doing us no favors.
spot light how is that immigrants fault? Welfare is the problem. Not immigrants. You are punishing them for our handouts. Let them go. Take off the handcuffs.
Milton Friedman you were right!
Gotta love Milton's smug look. You just know this man's gonna drop some knowledge. He thinks he knows all the answers and he is correct. RIP Milton. Thank you for everything you did.
"Everyone loves to debate with Milton Friedman when he's not present"
Milton is actually wrong on most things.
@@defur45 piss 9ff
@@chippyboy35 Keep crying.
My post:
Oh good Mr. Friedman... I'm glad you're not around to see what California has done to this country...
California didn’t ruin the country California ruined California, corporate greed, media propaganda and the Matrix ruined the country you were just programmed and along for the ride and didn’t know it
What a savage he somehow pissed off both liberals and conservatives while making complete sense
I wonder what he would make of the situation we see there today. Almost sounds like he would condone it.
Libs and conservatives are clowns
He is a liberal. The people you call liberal you should call socialist or leftist instead.
This is exactly why number of people hate common sense.
Milton Friedman was not a liberal. He was a libertarian as he himself declared.
Ah Friedman...you tower as a genius in economics. It’s a pleasure listening to him talk
I miss this kind of clear thinking in the "social media" age!
The thing is, only someone who is NOT seeking office could be this honest and mathematically correct about economics and immigration. Today, more than half the country would stop listening to Milton Freedman and just call him a racist or white nationalist. They would reframe his argument because they can't debate it. So they would simply be forced to discredit him.
@@paulcolburn3855 Sadly true.
Free immigration was a bad thing because it allowed a flood of people (including my ancestors) who came for simple economic benefits and not due to a love of freedom and liberty. Some immigrants did come for freedom and liberty but many simply for economic benefits and that watered down all the ideals the founding fathers fought for. And that has lead us to the lack of civics we have today.
Complete rubbish most Americans don’t care about freedom
Good point - too many people ignore the cultural/philosophical shift.
We didn't have a bank in 1776.
Although a lot of the present rot started after WW2 as a result of Soviet infiltration.
Interesting how times have changed.
We need someone with knowledge like Milton Friedman in reviewing what state of affairs Our Country is in on the issue of illegal immigration and how to find a solution to implement a better way to have it sustainable and not out of hand
This man is slowly shattering every intuition I have about how the economy should be run.
Another significant factor: ease of travel.
Then you also have to consider terrorism
The terrorists travel legally...
Also you need the immigrants to assimilate so that you maintain national identity and culture.
the greatest economist we ever produced
Hayek is better
@@diegotorres2101 I was gonna mention Mises but Hayek is great as well. He was respected in Mises's eyes.
Why doesn’t anyone speak like that anymore?
Why would he? A man with such a knowledge and analyzing skills will benefit more with defending the paradoxical system. :-)
Because the right used to be dominated by intellectuals like him but now we have click baiting advertising salespeople like Sean Hannity.
If you do the LEFT jumps, yells and threatens you (Antifa).
We need to learn to talk to each other again.
I think it's due to hyperexposure to instant, short, simplistic information nowadays from social media. People don't have the temperment to truly listen to something like this. People either prefer to hear Trump style rhetoric of a type of fear mongering about illegal immigration or lesftist style oversimplification just saying "everybody belongs" and that we should be open to everyone or else we're racist. Everything has been dumbed down to cater towards a generation of people who's attention spans have deteriorated and want all their information in 30 second clips and it's just not possible to reasonably discuss these kinds of things anymore, because a lot of people just won't listen. The 2016 election is one of the greatest examples of this because you can see both sides spread apart more and more becoming more and more extreme and I don't think it's gonna stop anytime soon unfortunately😕
Apart from being a genius economist, Milton Friedman was a fierce debater which is why he succeeded. Plus his Economic policies were quite applicable as well. He started monetarism. Nobel prize winner.
Thing is it's hard to find best of both. You can find great economists today but not necessarily good at public speaking like Milton
This man is brilliant and his words are crystal clear, thought-provoking and expose the ignorance of people on both sides of the political aisle...even decades later.
Thank you so much for posting these.
Milton is probably spinning in his grave about now...
We cannot confuse immigration with mass migration.
gman arent we all
What? America still has immensely controlled immigration. Why would he be spinning in his grave?
@@MrJason005 I think Europe, especially a couple of years ago.
The immigration problem in the US is overblown by both sides. (I'm not saying it doesn'y need to be dealt with obviously.)
@@nabilyassin1742 If Milton Friedman was from a European country I could understand this, but he was an American through and through.
Basic supply and demand. Mass immigration of low skilled workers keeps wages low because there are so many of them. Since they're a 'dime a dozen', employers don't have to pay a fair wage in order to hire them. Illegals may not qualify for welfare programs, but they certainly do get it. About ten years ago, I spend almost a month in an ICU wing. When I was released, I spend several months convalescing, and couldn't return to work. I had to swallow my pride and apply for food stamps. When I got to the office, I was the only English speaking applicant in the waiting room. Applicant after applicant was asking for an interpreter because they could only speak Spanish. Able bodied adults, who only speaks Spanish? Don't try to convince me that they're legal citizens, because speaking English is a requirement for citizenship. But speaking English is not a requirement to "jump the fence".
Carl Schnackel no such thing as low wages. The market determines wages based on demand. If employers want to fail, they will pay lower than the average wage and lose all their customers with shitty products. They will no longer exist as a business. Free markets auto correct themselves. No need for armed morons at the border controlling wages. It’s dumb.
You can still have legal immigration and not have new immigrants on welfare
Australia has a strict immigration policy
If you come illegally you will not be allowed to stay
If you come legally you must work and have private health insurance and not afforded citizens benefits and privileges
If you have children education is not free
I work with 4 immigrants
1 just became an Australian citizen after 9 years
1 just received permanent residency after 6 years
They both had to work hard to prove themselves worthy of their status
The “if you come here illegally” thing works well because Australia is an island. It’s super easy to police illegal entry. no land borders with a relatively poorer nation. It’s not as easy in the US.
Other than that, agree with your comments and Aus’s policies.
How's australia doing these days? pretty terrible. I'd say your argument falters out of the gate by virtue of that one fact existing.
We’ve also let in floods of immigrants- illegal or not. The fundamentals are still the same: we need to protect the dollar by bringing in more workers because if we don’t, inflation will be too excessive since we’re printing too much money and there won’t be enough productivity to back up and legitimise the Monopoly money we’re printing
@@itissrinivasanThat is a great point
The Democrats literally tried to put this into the stimulus package
Sean McFarland no they don’t. Myth.
Sean McFarland National Academy of Sciences and every economist on planet earth.
Sean McFarland www.nationalacademies.org/news/2016/09/new-report-assesses-the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration
Sean McFarland not federal. Maybe state but it depends
Rudy is a free man yes they do. We spend $116 billion. They spend $19 billion. It would have been $145 billion if they didn’t pay taxes.
What “ myriad of benefits we pour out” is he talking about?
The US has the worst “benefits”
Compared to any industrialised nation on earth. For unemployment, for poor people for the sick or the disabled, for pensions for the elderly, for veterans you name it.
We treat our most vulnerable citizens like crap in this country while the rich elites keep getting richer and richer every day.
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Bro you understand absolutely nothing about econ, benefits are a freakin waste
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It’s because of ppl like you with peasant mentality, accepting whatever crumbs the oligarchs give them, we are in this mess. US is the richest country on earth, yet 62% of Americans live pay-check to pay check and 74 percent have less than 5k in their account!!!
Wealth inequality is real. Stop believing everything you are told people. We all deserve better. Have a good day
Ouch. 2:12 hit me right in the feels pretty hard. We had this good good thing which was beneficial and warmly welcoming, organic to reality and the natural flow of things.
Then the government messed it up with good intentions not knowing the collateral damages.
Hit the nail on the head!
He is technically wrong about the date. It was 1882 when they began to restrict immigration not 1914. Doesn’t change his argument but facts are important.
I assumed he chose that year because income tax was established in 1913, which lead to the development of the welfare programs he's talking about.
yeah, it does change Milton Friedman's arguments - he's lying. Sensible Americans always opposed the worst forms of mass immigration.
Not an NPC it’s misleading because he says people who happened to land here are free to stay before 1914, but they weren’t
Daniel Roddick he is A Tribesman. They are behind the demographic takeover of the US.
1882 is when the Chinese Exclusion act took place, however other cultural groups like Europeans could still freely immigrate
in previous waves of immigration the difficulty of travel ensured that only Europeans could get to America, it worked out that even peasants from remote Russian villages could very easily integrate and were happy yo adopt the American ideal. Now people from countries with failed cultures and very different mindsets can swamp other countries and refuse to integrate but build an enclave of their own culture while getting the benefits of the culture they do not want to be part of.
This. To pretend that there is no racial element to that is foolish.
@@bobbytate9907 it's also foolish to confuse culture with race and skin colour, to not be able to see beyond that superficial level is foolish.
@@bobbytate9907 African immigrants do well in America.. The first generation of children of African immigrants graduated from college at a 65% rate, which is twice the national average.. Most of us come to America with a fine command of the English language, and our crime rates are far, far below the national average. And our marriage rates are also higher. I'm sure it's quite the scenario with Asian immigrants as 99% of us come here legally.
Matter fact... After Jews, Indian Americans have the highest income level. And Nigerian Americans have the highest level of PhDs per Capita in the US
@@ousamaabdu794 You're right of course--however a problem occurs when we assume that economic immigrants are representative of their particular race. There is an argument to be made that many of these immigrants have statistically superior IQs or psychological equipment, and chose to leave their own nations precisely to exploit those qualities.
There is a well-established relationship between the economic performance of a country and the IQ of it's inhabitants. It is difficult to assume that Africans, for example, are as generally intelligent as Europeans or Asians, given the continually poor economic performance of their countries. I well remember a few years back, James Watson--one of the pioneers who discovered DNA--was shunned by academia for suggesting that heritable intelligence was the reason for this.
He was right.
this guy was so far ahead of his time, and he never knew it.. where are voices like this today??
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."
Aldous Huxley
He is missing that in 1914 the average immigrant was higher educated and higher skilled than the average citizen. Now they are much lower educated and lower skilled. In 1914 we had a quality of life that was on a par with most other nations sending immigrants. Now it's much higher than virtually any other nation. In 1914 we had no concerns about water shortages, where to put landfills, open space destruction, carbon output, etc. Add all of those problems to the costs of the welfare state and it clear immigration, like all things must change. ALL immigration needs to end for a few decades so we can figure those things out.
Not only the average immigrant, but today the average person are much lower educated and lower skilled.
I agree on many things with Friedman, but not this. Many variables have changed since 1914, making immigration, both legal & illegal, a bad thing its host nation. Furthermore, by Milton’s own argument, we can go back further in time when there was no border, and let’s make the entire globe border less. Clearly, bc many variables changed, open border throughout the world would be catastrophic.
I live on the border with Mexico in the US. Being an "illegal" immigrant keeps the wages down in the first place, but yes if there were more illegal immigrants, that would cause more competition and reduce wage rates, not from the employer, but from the worker competing for work.
We had unrestricted immigration pre-1914 because it was NEEDED - factories needed workers, and the farms needed labor.
Well the rules have changed in 2024. Free food housing and transportation, health benefits, schooling and more FOR ILLEGALS
God how I wish I could have been a student of this great man...at least we have the internet to learn from his words of wisdom.
Welfare mate... My grandparents were refugees from the 1st war.. They were put on a lot of land to work on and make it productive.
That's the only welfare they got.. back breaking work.. they helped build a nation. Now days, it's more likely they are out to destroy it due to the welfare system and the lack of need for unskilled labour.
Unreal by today's thinker's, they just do not understand the effort that wave of immigrants put into the American dream. My Great Grandfather came over and worked for several years, saved enough to buy a farm and sent for his family. My Great Grandmother lived into her 80's, was renting rooms and making floor mats from bread bags (selling them for 2 and 3 dollars) in the 60's and 70's. When she died my mother found decades of bank books banded together, and found out she had saved nearly $150, 000. This was in 1976, not bad for a 4 foot 10 Polish woman.
"Why was free immigration was a good thing before 1914 and a bad thing now?" Because we no longer have free farms to give away in the Midwest and West in our then-agrarian economy. We're full up today.
Since when do people need to work on farms to survive? Illegal immigrants work anywhere that’s hiring.
Most people who came through Ellis Island stayed in the cities.
who works in farms nowadays illegal immigrants work all the jobs you dont want to
No shot the homesteaders of the 19th century primarily originated form outside America
Well I mean directly/1st generation
A five minute Friedman video is more informative, and more thought provoking, than 4 years of college.
Exactly!
I knew where this was going. Feel proud of myself
Good for you. 🙄
I miss you, Milton.
My mind just exploded.
Thank you, Milton.
I do sympathize with the less fortunate, but you have to consider our future as well. Truth is what do you think would happen if we got rid of food stamps over night? An epidemic of starving and malnutrition? That's too extreme. In the worst case, people would go out and find jobs. Right now and you even said it yourself, for some it is actually more efficient to collect these welfare checks rather than get a job. Sure some people might be have it bad but in the long run it will be better.
The bracero program, referred to by Dr. Friedman, ended in 1964. "Bad laws make socially advantageous acts illegal and therefore leads to an undermining of morality in general" (Friedman),
Can you please insert this knowledge to the people of Europe? Thanks in advance!
They are too far gone, especially the Germans and Swedes.
Timothy Drake no but they dont wait long to have babies and they immediately apply for everything under the sun.
Timothy Drake Europeans should work to support each other but not allow illegals to get anything.
yeah douglas murray tried,
did Milton ever happen to discuss this issue with the idea of terrorism that we have today?
The terrorism is partly (mostly) to blame the US government for.
@@mongtkb How about when Sirhan Sirhan assassinated Robert Kennedy in 1968 because he was enraged that the RFK supported massive USA military support of Israel. Doesn't that count as terrorism?
@Bek'a Thanks Bek'a . Well I'm one of those rare few Americans that actually have some clue about world events. We are so very few. Well God bless.
that is created by government agencies for a fix outcome.
John Ellis en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Also immigrants are much more diverse now. Before they mostly came from Europe. Now they come from South America, Africa, India, and China. This makes assimilation into a cohesive whole much more difficult, as these people come from wildly different places. It was much easier to assimilate people who all came from one place, Europe.
People from South America are traditionally Christians, they speak an Indo-European language, their countries are republics with liberal democracies since 200 years ago. Their culture is Western, it does have its particularities, but it's clearly Western framed. In case you care about their skin colour, a large number of them have light tone skin colour, they look white. The ones who look darker just paint them white so you'll be fine. About Chinese people, they're pretty westernized nowadays and they love to mind their own business, they just study and work their butts off, they won't bother anyone either interfere with our culture. Oh, they are not "yellow", pay attention. There are different skin tone in the vast China, a large number of them are white, the ones who have darker tones just same thing, paint them white.
Absolute genius.
Biggest difference between the turn of the last century and now is the types of jobs. Last century, a strong work ethic and a strong body is all you needed. Now, those jobs have gone overseas, so many new immigrants become a net drain on our economy.
I majored in economics and Milton always makes me feel like an infant
He was more a theorist than economist. Economists look at charts and determine market trends. I don't think I have ever heard this guy speak about price stability, inflation, market sectors, economic growth. He was not really a raw data guy. Nonetheless he had a brilliant brain for economic policy making and knew how to protect an economy from artificial anomalies.
@@silvervalleystudios2486 what??? Are you serious ?? He wrote an entire book about the monetary policy of the USA (from 1860 to 1960), he has an entire chapter in his extraordinary book (Free to choose) about inflation and you say that he doesn't talk about that... really???
@@nurwe1704 I majored in accounting so I only did one economics subject as a core with no electives in economics. I always thought of Milton as a neo liberal think tank guy. An academic. I will definitely look up his bibliography and check out his work.
@@silvervalleystudios2486 what you are talking about is finance. economy is about policy and is very broad. ''theorist'' isnt even a professional occupation, I think the closest thing would be philosophy
He forgot to also mention that prior to 1914 we had an invention/manufacturing revolution in this country and factories were begging for workers. The car, the telephone, the airplane electrical appliances, etc, all needed to be manufactured. We needed new roads, street cars, water systems, bridges, ships, railroads etc to fcacilitate transportation systems to get the goods to national and international markets.
Listen to his speech again. He absolutely says why immigration was fine back then, because America needed to jobs/workers. America wasn't a welfare state back then.
The Federal Income Tax wasn't introduced until 1913 (the 16th Amendment) so it was difficult to implement a social welfare system before that. Once the tax was in place, politicians couldn't resist spending other people's money so there had to be controls placed on who could enter the US.
progressive Teddy made Woodrow Wilson the president. Which founded FRS to corrupt bankers, welfare state to corrupt poor, interventional policy which lead to WWII, government bra-in washing machine.
@@michaelroberts9427Teddy made Woodrow president. Wilson created welfare state to corrupt poor, £R$ to corrupt bankers, propaganda machine, meaningless war intervention, which lead to WWII.
The problem of this video today is that illegal immigrants get benefits today. So the situation that he says will lower everyone's standard of living exists now as they pour over the border. Also he did not talk about new diseases they bring over the border and did not consider how many illegals are hostile to the United States.
He puts the entire issue of immigration in terms of economics, but there are cultural and social considerations as well. It's evident that Americans have developed a certain lifestyle over the last two centuries, and most want to maintain that lifestyle. They don't want to live amongst third world people who have a totally different viewpoint on everything from religion to code enforcement. I can guarantee that people like Milton Friedman would not want to live next to immigrants who burn trash in their yard or blast the morning call to prayer through a PA , irrespective of whether those people are contributing to the economy. It's ludicrous to assert that such people will assimilate to the American lifestyle when assimilation is now equated with racism.
That's because in 1914 they realized things had changed. In the previous century, the country was a frontier and the people who came here were settlers, not immigrants. The world is a very different place now and the arguments by Friedman are not valid.
There is actually another possibility: a two-tiered system. In other words, we allow people to immigrate but refuse them access to the normal welfare benefits. This seems to be how things work now for the most part, immigrants come here and work illegally under the table and don't get access to government programs like Social Security. Then their children are given citizenship and allowed access to the normal benefits. This system could be formalized and modified in certain ways. For example, perhaps immigrants could gain access to the welfare state by paying into the system for a certain number of years.
This method keeps the benefits that Milton describes without the downsides of burden on the existing populace.
The problem is that you then effectively create 2nd class citizens. Having 2nd class citizens is a very unamerican thing to have and has caused many other countries a multitude of problems.
@@michaelmalanot8506 in that case, rich people are second class citizens. Because rich people don’t qualify for benefits either. Nobody should be entitled to free money. Everybody should be entitled to freedom.
@@firstlast9916 Rich people don't need benefits. You're insane. Being given less rights because you were born in the wrong place is not freedom. Jesus Christ.
@@xibalbalon8668 I know. I’m for open borders. And I’m for letting people get rich if they want to. No need to steal from the rich to give to the poor. Benefits should not be given to anybody.
2nd class citizens. Soon, it devolves into oppression. Then slavery. Then civil war. Then “liberty equality” and then cycle starts again.
Nanny State Welfare makes Free Immigration Un-Desirable today. Illegals take full advantage of the system; many pre-planned it that way.
424werter - Prove it.
@@galafuze
California...
The Law - It is difficult to be show me proof? Citations from reputable sources? California is doing just fine.
@@galafuze
www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1500&fn[]=2900&fn[]=6100&fn[]=10100&fn[]=14100
California has the highest homeless population in the country. Their population makes up about 24% of the population. They have some of the highest taxes in the country.
@@galafuze
dq.cde.ca.gov/dataquest/cahsee/ExitProg1.asp?cLevel=State&cYear=2014-15&cChoice=ExitProg1&cAdmin=S&tDate=07/23/14&TestType=M&cGrade=AG&Pageno=1
These are test scores using their data link. As recent as they allow for high school exit exam
19%passed statewide out of all students tested.
The opening credits and scene gave me flashbacks to the early 1980s softcore porn.
Well, this is a soft porn. Friedman fucks libtards
Gabriel Garcia it’s more hardcore tbh
@@GabrielAgustinGarcia1996 Friedman is a Liberal though... A Neo-Liberal .
@@Daniel-lr6yz LOL. Friedman is a libertarian. What means neo liberal? There is no such thing as a new Liberty
@@GabrielAgustinGarcia1996 Neoliberalism is libertarianism. Neoliberals such as Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton advocate for free markets, low taxes and open borders. Neoliberals however are a little bit more utilitarian and advocate for government intervention to fix market errors caused by socialistic and fascistic programs.
@jezza1789 Speaking from someone who has lived on the US Mexico border all my life,illegal Latinos in Texas are going by the way of the black demographic.Children born to single parents are going up,where as before you had a strong family base.You would be correct a few generations back,but today we're seeing generational welfare.My grandmother was from Mexico and she worked her but off without the subsidies of the federal government.I live in the heart if immigration and its a sad sight "today"
Actually, legal immigration does support welfare programs. It does so through taxation. There's very little downside to having legal immigration. Illegal immigration is arguably worse because those individuals are taking infrastructure and jobs from legal residents without paying taxes.
But there's a huge downside to having legal immigration: illegal immigration.
Demographics is destiny
Not the point he was making but okay
This is what I always say! thank you milton friedman for explaining this to people. Over here in sweden everyone blames the immigrants for taking out tax money, but why do we have to stop immigration? Just stop giving them welfare
Oh my. You made this comment 13 years ago !!! And Sweden is still
Facing this. In 2024.
this dude is so insanely intelligent
Man. I wish he could sit with some of these independent podcasters these days. Milton Friedman & Joe Rogan would go HARD.
Advanced industrialized society.That’s why.
Brilliant!!!
when my mom came to this country with a visa, worked, she spent a fortune close to a decent down payment for a house on lawyer fees, and government applications so that she may have a greencard&SScard, my brother greencard&SS card, and I greencard& SS card, took her about four years while me and my brother where in our native country. i understand the frustration with illegal hispanic immigration, however, they are hard working people when in comparison to the bottom of the pile US citizen living on welfare, food stamps, and shitting out four kids. Now yes i understand hispanics are also trying to do this, so in return their child would be an LEGAL US CITIZEN, hence they would also recieve benefits. I say cut able bodied motherfuckers OFF and people will be forced to get back to work. ANY SUGGESTIONS?
You hit the nail on the head! You got it correct! I think your mom should send Obama a bill demanding her money back!!!!!!
this was back in 93 bud. obama had nothing to do with immigration back then, PRE-9-11 years were the best years to get into the country LEGALLY, it was expensive, but it was worth it.
My Point being every person that is immigrating legally and all the millions that have done it the correct way just got a slap in the face last week... If we have open borders and a generous welfare state, The USA will not survive but for a decade maybe two...... I'm serious, You tell your mom, she should demand her money BACK. With INTEREST!!!
Let's get the facts correct! No talking points from a Worthless Filthy Stinking Progressive Marxist Communist Democrat Party Web Site
or Barack Obama, He is all of the above! 1. 80% of Illegals have less that an 8th grade education, Don't Speak English and will never make enough to pay Federal Taxes... 2. These people will become experts on gaming the system....... have you ever heard of "The Child Tax Credit. These same people that will never pay taxes will now be getting $4,500 To $16,000 from the U.S. Government annually on top of everything else... Why would any person work that can stay at home and game the system sell drugs and net 70 to 100 thousand Dollars.... Stealing from the productive to pay worthless future Dirty Filthy Stinking Progressive Marxist Communist Democrat Party Voter Stock....... Milton Friedman is Correct, You Did not even watch the video or you would not have made your comment above.....
Milton is Correct, but the reason they are dirty, filthy, uneducated is because the democratic party, and liberals, activists, all favor for government aid programs which atrophy any ability to become economically independent. I agree. however once these illegals can adapt to our society through paying their fees and applications for a residency and citizenship, they can also get an education while doing this (should they choose to) or group together to open up businesses, hence reaching economic affluence.
im sure your grandparents came here in a golden airplane, or not ellis island? lol but all is good ,YOUR WORD nor mine have any weight on the matter (thank god). So yeah ill take what i said Back. KEEP COMPLAINING ...............................ITS ALL YOU CAN DO. :p
THANKS GOOD DAY
He was simply amazing!
Different world now
How does this video not have 100 million views?
This guy is freaking awesome
Milton: The United States before 1914 had completely free immigration
Chinese Exclusion Act: Am I joke to you?
You will find convenient exclusions of many other historical realities.
@@muddi900 Can you point them out? I am sure there would be scores of people chearing if you'd disputed Milton Friedman.
Chinese Exclusion Act.
And the Quota systems that were prevalent during the same period. If the Quota on Poles was filled, Poles would start claiming they were Czech or Slovak.
@@robertgibson6687 I doubt anything significant would change even if they were allowed in during those years, tho. Do you think it would, I am genuinely interested. If yes then why. If no. Well the thing he was saying would end up undesputed, still.
@@robertgibson6687 OK. USA never had free immigration even during the complete free market system of the past. Does this mean Milton's theory about immigration can't work?
There was actually a paper written by a U Chicago economist that I came across a few weeks ago. He was saying that one of the main reasons we have not been able to emerge from this recession after 4 years is because there is less incentives for people to find a job if they are receiving unemployment compensation, welfare checks, and other forms of federal aid. In some cases, they would lose money by a taking a minimum wage job.
If there were no benefits from the government then they wouldn't. First of all typically people who are already citizens tend to have a higher standard for jobs so they wouldn't take low paying ones. Also if there wasn't hand outs they would have to struggle on their own account. They would have to make money which helps the community. Making money helps everyone. Taking money doesn't. Plus farmers have had harder times getting people to work on their farms but immigrants would take the low pay
Illegal inmigrant from Mexico, BRASEROS, born in California, New Mexico, Tejas, Arizona, part of Oklahoma, Colorado.
We born here. Who is the illegal ???. 😁
Make them all legal, but second class citizens that are entitled to zero welfare.
then the next election cycle they vote for themselves to have welfare too, brilliant plan...
_“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”
_ -Benjamin Franklin
_“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”_
-Alexander Fraser Tytler
best solution is to end the welfare state all together.
Nicholas Wong ur last name tells everything u are a second class
There shouldn’t be welfare to begin with
Everyone who’s not white already is
Friedman is right, yet again.
Well now we now why pelosi and schumer wont build the wall. 3:16
He seems to miss another reason immigration in the nineteenth century was substantively different to the twentieth century -- the US was in some senses unconstrained by resources -- the western expansion meant that new immigrants were almost *necessary* to populate new territories, all while urbanization was occurring. When new immigrants could simply move to new lands in the west, often in their own enclaves and holding onto their culture, there was no real reason to restrict.
I would rather live in a poor country, surrounded by neighbors who look like me, sound like me and worship like me, than live in a rich country surrounded by strangers. Leave it to a member of the tribe to barter my sovereignty for some short-term economic gains.
Do you live in a poor country? I may be wrong, but I strongly suspect that the answer is no.
After reading the majority of the comments here, I reaffirm my point. The viewers did not at all listen to what Milton had to say and went from being intellectual, logical, clear-thinking, to ignorant and uneducated, misinformed viewers who clearly get most of their information from biased Facebook posts and equally uneducated and ignorant family members. The majority of the comments are so incorrect. Seriously, where do you people get this information?
I think from other youtube videos.
I started reading the comments expecting libertarian thinking. Found a bunch mediocre Americans who are scared to compete with more people.
"the people who were here benefited".. yeah, ask the natives about that
The natives weren't native. They came from Aleutian islands.
And there lies the Real Problem...
They do "qualify" on arrival.
Uncommon sense.
Thus men without exception wander about in the garden of Nature; they imagine that they know practically everything and yet with few exceptions pass blindly by one of the most patent principles of Nature's rule: the inner segregation of the species of all living beings on this earth.
Obama is a dumbass ...O'Biden is just the same!! Who really is the US President?!? Who really run's the US Gov.?!?!? Obama don't ... Biden?!? Nope .. he's a stoop!! Valerie Jarrett control's Obama!! and Ms. Big Beef (michelle) hate's that shit!!
They never went to Yale!! That's where everything stem from's!!! Colleges!! Fix that ... you'll feed a bum for a day ... Stop going/paying for these leet Universities!! Feed a family for a life time!!
People lie, People have an Agenda!! People go to school to make them look cool!! .. but they forget about one thing .. (I'm sure they have this covered, the US Gov., have been spying on us for years) They don't have reason!! We Do!! Someone is scared and it's not the People of the US!! Why buy soo many rounds of ammunition?
They're scared because they know .. they know their Policies are Garbage!! Their shit doesn't work!! They have to resort to violence!! It's the Progressive Way of Life!! Or the Commie way!! It's not a Liberal why of life!! Sry Lib's ... you can't use Liberal anymore!!!
The problem with free imigration is not one of economic nature, it is one of cultural nature. As history has shown, countries that are home to a variety of ethnicities naturally tend to disintegrate due to a lack of social cohesion between those ethnicities. In the case of the USA, while it avoided the secession of the South during the civil war, the result today is a state practically without welfare - as Friedman recognized correctly, a welfare state and free immigration are two goals that can't be reconciled, but since a society needs cooperation on more than just the economic level, a welfare state is preferable to any form of other state.
TBF, Democrats want it, because they can import voters, and big Republican donors like it, because they can hire cheaper workers. However, you are right. It's the social impact that should worry people most; not the economic one.
Florian Wicher - The "cultural differences" are the last of our problems. It's the racism and fear of those differences that gives us the hatred we see in the right-wing. They don't know how to deal with change. They want change to go away. Not possible. Now, illegal immigration is illegal and should be controlled. But, why the hubris and hatred? Why not be the one who teaches people how to be an American and how to assimilate. Violence is not the answer. American culture is another culture that is well-known around the world. Unity will hold this country together but it seems the right-wing wants to end any semblance of unity and start a civil war. This is what your comment is aiming for?
Don't be an idiot and act like this hatred is one way
Florian Wicher you do know the majority of the Mexican population are strong Catholics which is a religion that the US acknowledges is not a threat.
If people are clever enough to seek their own benefit on top of everything else, they will cooperate just fine. The whole world cooperate in the production of goods and services. And it is not their cultural similarities that make them do so. It's the market. Watch Milton's video about the pencil. It's a simple and beautiful example of what I just said.
Hold on now. For many of his videos, I've seen conservatives comment on how Friedman sticks it to
Liberals and proves them wrong. Now, he's
Practically arguing against what conservatives advocate for today. And yet, those same conservatives refuse to apply the same logic to themselves, the logic that Friedman has indeed proven them wrong. Friedman himself states that people are inconsistent by arguing that immigration USED to be beneficial and that in (his) modern times, it isn't. And now many people watching are falling into the trap he himself pointed out, of people arguing that immigration ONCE was beneficial to both parties. Now it isn't. As Friedman himself stated, "How can people be so inconsistent?" How can the same people who pointed to liberals and say "Haha I told you so!" Refuse to look themselves in the mirror and say "Haha, liberals told me so!" ?
You clearly only watched the first minute of the video.
There are differences between today and the days of open immigration: The preponderance of immigrants then were European, that is, shared common cultural values. The US was giving away free farms at the frontier through the homestead act. No one could immigrate and live on government welfare benefits.
What value don’t we share with Mexicans?
@@firstlast9916 I never mentioned Mexico specifically, but referred to immigration in principle. If I had mentioned it, I would have observed that Spain is in Europe too, or was when I last looked. So yes, Mexican and South American immigrants are fine with me. We just can't take too many all at once, but have to meter our immigration rates under today's conditions, or so it appears to me.
Michael Woods why do we need to meter it if we share the same values? Why did we introduce quotas for Europeans in 1924?
Oh my . . . This is the same person that sold “Supply Side Economics” to the nation in the Reagan Era. He completely forgot that Demand is just as important. Perhaps he was counting on Advertising BS to sell his Economic BS. RIP Milton.
This man is outdated.
Prior to 1914 we were underpopulated. Now we have 300,000,000 people. We are at maximum density.
The US territory can hold 1 billion people easily.
Depends what else these folk bring.
If they bring a tolerance to worse living standards, living standards decline (wage depression)
If they bring a tolerance to behaviours that were formerly rare and considered undesirable, behaviours become worse
It largely depends on: to what extent you think people are blank slates to be filled with whatever culture they find themselves in and to what extent they retain their former behaviours?
If it is that people largely retain their ways of doing things: people from states that are not doing well, who retain their behaviours (that on the large scale resulted in their former state being less desirable) they will simply drive the receiving state towards the same problems.
From my experience, their children are much more american and that trend continues for generations.
And the rest of society changes slightly as well to accommodate
@@MarkYoung049 In America perhaps. In the UK first generation migrants have historically been very keen on Britain and happy to be here. Their kids and grandkids however tend to be hostile to the country (or at least feel themselves as as least as much Pakistani, for example, as British).
It is also common to find immigrant populations living in what amount to ghettos with little contact with local populations. This makes assimilation very difficult (coupled with the deliberate policy of 'multiculturalism which frowns on assimilation) it also breeds contempt for the local population (plainly demonstrated by the ongoing child abuse crisis, whereby largely non-British gangs abuse British girls... and do so because they do not view them as worthy of respect as girls from their own 'communities').
Welcome to Canada
Friedman prescient as usual. However things have changed. Illegal immigrants are in receipt of all sort of welfare provisions, for them and for their children. He's wrong though in comparing Mexican immigrants to the European immigrants of the past. Huge differences in IQ and/hence in culture.
Immigration back when had no expectations of “free” stuff!
How did people benefit from people illegally immigrating in the past? I don't see how anyone could possibly benefit from more people other than businesses. How does importing low skill people do anything other than drive up the supply of low skill labor? It would be one thing if we were importing scientists or engineers, but we're not.
kiwin111 it would mean you can start a business easier because there’s more workers and they can start a business easier. Scientists and engineers are having enough trouble as it is finding work because everyone goes to collage now. What creates wealth is business. Scientists, engineers and workers just help that process.
We don't need another underclass, Pedro.
It is not true that the US open immigration before 1914. Chinese immigration was restricted from 1882 to 1943. To say whoever could get to Ellis Island ignores a huge group of immigrants.
One essential factor in immigration that always, always, always gets neglected is culture and race. These are very important concepts and structures that underpin nations and democracies. This should be no surprise, because race is most we talk about all the time in Western society today. Other races and cultures mixed in one society always segregates and starts rivaling, competing communities, and this threats the unquestionable power (in form of representative politicans in a democracy e.g.) of the domestic people. Massimmigration can thus be used as a tool to undermine democracy, as in Sweden, where someone can become citizen within two years time.
I like Milton Friedman, but in this matter he forgets that immigration before 1960 was mandatory caucasian people since North America was seen as an exstention of Europe and its peoples. Certainly other races could qualify, but the policy aimed att keeping USA majority white/europeans. This truth is slowly nearing an expiration date, which is frightening.
Viktor Käll the only evidence of that happening is with African Americans. Every other nationality that has come here did not create a permanent alternate culture. When migration is voluntary and no concrete laws are made to create subclasses, then there is nothing to worry about.
Brazil is a good example. Brazil had way more slaves than the United States and yet there is no such thing as an “African Brazilian” today. Because slavery laws didn’t ever really exist there. By the time they abolished slavery in Brazil, there were no longer any slaves there. The public automatically stopped slavery without a civil war. There was no fight from anybody to keep slaves.
Prior to 1965, 90% of our immigrants were of European descent. Now, 90% of our immigrants are African, Arab and Hispanic.
Alex Mulvihill Just stating facts people should be aware of. Many people don’t know this, I let them make their own decisions on what it means to them.
Yes, America will someday look like a Latin American and African country. Milton Friedman should have moved to Somalia if he thought it was great.
Alex Mulvihill nope. Most are Asian and Indian. Nothing wrong with that. We hated Italians and Irish just as much as we hate Mexicans today. Same shit, different day.
Alex Mulvihill they desperately wanted the Irish kicked out. There were protests everyday to abolish the NYPD because it was 100% Irish at one point.
Tom Clancy As long as they are capitalist, who cares? They could be from mars.
Powerful! Can't wait for PT 2.
For one of many reasons the powers that be hate this man.
Milton could't have been more correct; he highlights the exact that mistake we're making here in the UK to this day, and we're by no means alone in doing so.
The UK has tax and welfare system that favours large families. Thats always going to attract cultures with high birth rates. Council estates in the UK are bursting at the seems to accomodate Somali families with upwards of six kids. In Australia we have the same situation with our commission housing program. One of my mates is a school teacher and he tells me they refuse to pay for their kids school levies and books but their kids show up to school covered in the latest Nike gear. Welfare addiction plain and simple.
Silver Valley Coins and Bullion all countries should have tax breaks for families. Firsts world birth rates are low. Young people support the retirees. If everybody in your country is old, how will people pay into the system? There will be no tax revenue if your country is a bunch of 70 year olds.
The US population was a heck of a lot lower back then.