Yes, it reveals how narrowly _THEIR_ interpretive scope was due to the strict tradition and exegetical custom they were immersed in. But it says absolutely nothing about the coherence of the verse itself, which can easily be understood with a moral flexible and Qur’an-centric perspective that accounts for the whole of the evidence. Even the clearest of statements (“the sky is blue” or “there are two genders”) can be misunderstood and re-interpreted in countless ways by people who have pre-conceived notions, attachments, and biases that sway or prevent them from one understanding over another. For example, even the elementary statement above (‘there are two genders’) is not only re-interpreted, but today stands as literally one of the greatest controversies of our modern generation, despite its blatant simplicity. It just goes to show you how culture, bias, upbringing, environment, and pre-supposition can massively influence the way you see things. And if you think that you are free or immune from such influences - then you are in fact likely the deepest one in it. But disagreement or misunderstanding does not disprove revelation. It just proves the fallibility of humans, which is what the revelations insist on to begin with. In fact, the Qur’an itself acknowledges such fallibility in comprehension and the persistence of disagreement: *”…So what is the matter with these people, that they can hardly understand a statement?”* ~ Qur’an 4:78 Or when it declares: *”To God is your collective return - where He shall then explain to you all that you used to disagree about.”* ~ Qur’an 5:48 We also have examples like Qur’an 11:71, where the laughter of Abraham’s wife precedes the mention of her son Isaac - a fact that also confused many of the early Islamic exegetes and gave birth (no pun intended) to many varying interpretations, even some that supposed the Arabic word ‘dhahak’ (to laugh) to possibly mean “to menstruate”! - All in a desperate attempt to explain the apparent incoherence with mentioning Sarah’s laughter & surprise before her son’s birth was even announced. Yet it was only later with new insight and a fresh pair of eyes that we discovered the deeper Arabic-Hebrew play of words being employed, due to the fact that the name Isaac literally means ‘laughter’ in ancient Hebrew. Thus the verse suddenly made perfect sense: ‘His wife laughed, and thus We gave her the news of Isaac (‘laughter’)”. This is just one of several examples that goes to show how uncovering the deeper layers of the Qur’an-and approaching it with a wider horizon-can reveal many things and clear up potentially ambiguous passages which were once thought to be enigmatic. Yet even in the midst of such passages (both Qur’an 11:71 and here in Sūrah 43), the essence and foundational teaching behind the verse remains perfectly clear and coherent - God is the one & only, and no other messenger has been sent with a message that states otherwise, or preached a different god to be worshipped. Finally, the fact that these words were never changed throughout the centuries - as was the case with parts of the Bible for theologically agenda - demonstrates that despite the occasional confusion, the Muslims never attempted to intentionally alter the words of the Qur’an for their own benefit. This point is also acknowledged by non-Muslim Qur’anic scholars like Nicolai Sinai, who evinces passages like Sūrah 3:96 as clear evidence that religious or politically motivated textual corruption was virtually non-existent in the Islamic tradition.
@@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Nothing you just said proves humanism, atheistic naturalism, or your theory of ethics. - Are you a bot? Are just too dense to understand that the original comment had utterly nothing to do with proving such theories & beliefs? You are basically having an irrelevant discussion with yourself. Well enjoy it, I guess!
@@prahaladbhat3512atleast muslims know when that was return and there are 100% proof that such thing existed As per my knowledge and after asking my more than 15 hindu friends none of them knew when this events took place or are there any single solid proof about it’s existance… Highly appreciate you if you could give me se reference brother. And please don’t give that ram setu example.
As an ex muslim(atheist now)I've learned that no matter what you say or do they will blindly believe it, islam is made to be strongly believing no matter what and you cannot question anything about it. The only way for someone to get out of the religion bubble is up to them to follow logic. No body can convince someone.
To some extent, I agree with you. But those who will follow the logic eventually, they still need to be shown the way and the logic to stimulate their brains
Quran 11 : 13 Or do they say, “He has fabricated this ˹Quran˺!”? Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Produce ten fabricated sûrahs like it and seek help from whoever you can-other than Allah-if what you say is true!” Should be easy.....GATHER THE ATHEISTS.
Go ahead and put that little stone in their shoe anyway. At some point along their journey, they will have to stop and contend with it, even if they pretend to dismiss it for the moment. I think a lot of Muslims are afraid when you cause them to doubt; they grew up being punished for asking questions, so they inherently react with denial and fear to the points you raise. They want to save face. And they know the high price they will pay if they leave Islam, or if anyone even thinks they have. I think most Muslims secretly carry doubts but are afraid to acknowledge them. I think a lot of Muslims also think that everyone around them is a stalwart believer, so when they find out that others also ask a lot of these good questions, they can relax a little bit and admit their own doubts, too. So yes, keep pointing out the issues.
@@formidablefaith569 Are you saying that the Quran is making a fallacious argument? That something being inimitable, especially a piece of literature, means that it is of divine origin? Basically, the Quran is making the following argument: P1. Necessarily, if something is inimitable, it is of divine origin. P2. The Quran is inimitable. C. Therefore, the Quran is of divine origin. Premise 1 is clearly false. That is a horrible and illogical argument. Not the kind of reasoning that one would expect to see in the 'revelation of God'. This challenge itself is as strong evidence against Islam as you can get. The Quran refutes itself.
It's fear of cancellation that people don't risk following social critics, as only 15% subscribed. The majority has the power. Either we join their groupthink, or get threatened
Do you think that subscriptions can lead to problems for subscribers? How and where? And if subscriptions are dangerous, what about occasional comsumption of the videos of this channel? I think are other reasons why many visitors don't subscribe. E.g. I don't think that Muslims like to subscibe to this channel, but perhaps some of them will visit it occasionally. That should not be a problem, in fact it would be good, wouldn't it? Being a Christian, I subscibed. But I've got many (Christian) channels I like more. Other Christians may decide against subscribing. The same with Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, ... Why subscribe to a channel of a non-believer? And most non-believers don't care for religions / topics of faith.
A couple of more problematic verses: Surah 6 14 tells us that Mohammed is the first to submit and yet the Quran teaches that Jesus' disciples were Muslims. If this is true then Mohammed was not the first to submit. Surah 5 20 tells us Moses made kings out of the Israelites. This is opposite to what the Bible teaches. Moses warned the Israelites not to have kings. Kings did not come until long after Moses when the Israelites were descending into rebellion against God. Mohammed needed a new wristwatch as his was full of anachronisms.
Quran says that for every nations/people God sent their own prophets to guide them in their own language. Thus there is always the first Muslim in every group. Bible has not yet been accepted by the world as the standard of truth. Why? Bible is full of errors, contradictions, inconsistencies, discrepancies. To take it as the standard of truth is actually silly.
@@letmetalk2240 But your Quran says multiple times that the Torah and Injil are good revelation from Allah, that's Allah's words cannot be changed. So if that is so, as a muslim you should accept them. The Quran author seems to have problems accessing Bible texts, and was using often strange "class 2" resources instead. But muslims have not got that problem, and so logically if they believe Allah, they should study the Bible. For instance in the Bible there are 16 books by prophets, and many other prophets including great ones like Moses, Elijah, Elisha and Samuel mentioned in historical style narratives. The gospels are massively long and from the right century, compared with the skimpy accounts about Isa in the Quran, which use non-canonical material (and written 6 centuries later, somewhere in Arabia/Shams/Iraq).
@@collybever >>>>> But your Quran says multiple times that the Torah and Injil are good revelation from Allah, ================================ Yeah. The Torah and Injil given directly to Prophet Musa AS (Moses) and Prophet Isa AS (Jesus) respectively in the form of revelations. Not given to any Tom, Dick or Harry.
@@letmetalk2240where is the Chinese prophet? The Quran who was revealed by Satan to a pedophile as the word of God and truth? Thats laughable, since the Quran contains historical errors, agnostic stories, and plagiarized previous scriptures not to mention the fact that there’s several Qurans that contradict one another.
With a little bit of commonsense, one can understand that the Koran is a manmade book , edited as required and written according to the understanding of the world at that time.
Another well studied insight within and between illogical & discrepant verses that, I believe, are not easily discernible even to many Arab speaking Muslims. Thank you for the clear, concise exposè.
In Islamic tradition, there is no explicit mention of Prophet Muhammad interacting with other prophets outside of the event of Isra and Miraj in terms of direct encounters. However, there are narratives in Islamic literature where Prophet Muhammad is believed to have conversed with other prophets and messengers in various spiritual contexts, such as during his nightly prayers or in visions. These encounters often serve to emphasize the continuity and unity of the prophetic message across different times and cultures. While such interactions may not be explicitly detailed in recorded accounts, they are acknowledged within the broader framework of Islamic belief in the interconnectedness of prophethood. So your claim on God asking the previous Prophet’s of God if they were told to worship Allah SWT. This isn’t god saying I told you I am god now confirm with the messengers. No it’s god saying Ask the Messengers if they were told to worship just me as the people on earth do differently (perhaps) people thought or even the messenger that God ultimately made different revelations for them which isn’t the case.
See… brother @zt8337 - the fact that we are deciphering the events and verses and that “perhaps” you used at the end of your comment, shows that “God” or whoever wrote that text, didn’t do a good job. Because, it is either illogical and makes no sense OR it is completely vague (if logical) and still makes no sense. Hence you used “perhaps” because even a believer doesn’t know for sure what it means. This is why early Muslim scholars tried many explanations and many “perhapses” In that sense, the Quran is not crystal clear as it claims (عربي مبين), yet another illogical claim from the Quran’s author.
@@AdamElmasriEnglish Im sorry Adam this video was just you assuming that the prophet saw couldn’t interact with other prophets while there’s no Islamic Hadith or verse that states that he can’t. Matter of fact is there are implications and acknowledged facts that he could through visions etc and even if that wasn’t the case the verse had to be viewed in a broader framework regarding timelines etc which you failed to present or perhaps do careful research on.
@@AdamElmasriEnglish Perhapsness came from me and not from the scholars it was just an idea on what the people might’ve thought. There’s many perhapses examples I can use outside Islam.
Your explanation is always so clear. I like your videos. I once heard Zakir Naik say that he does not understand 20% of the Quran. Can you make videos on this 20% that nobody understands.
Islam covers every aspect of life - including the fear that a wife may (perhaps) disobey her husband: Quran 4:34 reads, “As for those of your wives who you fear will be disloyal and disobedient, warn them (first), refuse to share their beds (second), and then beat them…” In his book “To Beat or Not to Beat”- page 544, the Islamic scholar Mahmoud writes, “They contended that the phrase “refuse to share their beds” is not about forbidding the performance of sex act (with the wife); but rather, it is a particular manner of the sex performance - the husband can have sex with his disobedient wife, but he should signal his indignation (anger) by not speaking to her during the (sex) act.” * Of course, this is in accordance with Allah’s instructions to husbands as recorded in Quran 2:223: “Your wives are a tilth (cultivating field) unto you; so, approach (or plow) your tilth when and how you will…”
Interesting. I always entertained the idea that the "don't share their bed" part actually means "don't cohabit with them". Some translations use the word "cohabit" (Amhad Khan). So it would mean that you degrade her temporally from being the second highest authority in the house (when your sons are still young) to slightly above the status of maids and slave girls. And that she might be forced to live with them in some shed or barn and not in your house and bed. That seems to me a more logical punishment.
Another option that is also highlighted by some translations (Arberry) could be "to banish them to their couches". Which could basically mean to imprison her. This would also seem to be a more logical interpretation to me.
What I mean in general is that if I am a disobeying wife and this disgusting guy isn't approaching me in bed anymore like he wishes or isn't talking to me in bed anymore, I would celebrate! So this wouldn't be a punishment at all and in my opinion it wouldn't fit between "warn them" and "beat them". The other two I mentioned would fit there.
@@ZeroCelsius777 either you are folly understand or don’t want to understand. The passage explains individually what is the consequence of cursed, punishment children, discipline for disobedience. Don’t twist the words to killing or beating. Why don’t you explain what is the meaning of this passage, Sahih al-Bukhari 2925 Book 56, Hadith 138. Sunan Abu Dawud / Book 38, Hadith 4390. Surah At-Tawbah 9:5.
It’s actually quite simple. There were most likely other Jewish and Christian preachers around the time of the Prophet Muhammad (as history now reveals it was a very diverse milieu), whom God thus casually refers to as “messengers” (not necessarily in the sense of direct inspiration, but in the raw literal sense of ‘one who carries and conveys of the message’ [رسول]). Therefore, the Prophet is being told that he can go to these people of previous revelations and discover that indeed, the message of One God has always remained the same until now. This matches Sūrah 10:94, where the Prophet is told that he can go to people who are learned in the previous Scripture for clarification. And such surprising statements actually showcase that: 1) The Prophet did not author or pen the Qur’an himself, as this violates the ‘principle of embarrassment’; and 2) The Muslims did NOT attempt to remove or alter these passages despite the opportunity to do so, which demonstrates the remarkably high degree of integrity & preservation that the text bears. Moreover, Sūrah 43:45 does not mean that the Prophet should have low confidence in the revelation he’s received - this is a false conclusion. Rather it is merely a rhetorical statement of the Qur’an to reinforce the point being made, such as when someone tells a friend: “Go ask the neighbors yourself! Trust me, they will tell you the same thing!” - or if we tell a fellow employee: “Ask all the employees before you! They can tell you how great this job is.” …It is not literally a call to go knock on the door of every single neighbor, or find the administration’s phone-book and call every single previous employee - no, rather it is simply a rhetorical statement to strengthen the argument, which the Qur’an often employs. Finally, when the verse says “whom We SENT” (arsalnā) this can be understood in the passive tone of “letting go” or “permissively allowing to preach the message” rather than direct personal divine inspiration given to these regional preachers who were around at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (just like we now know they were even many such Jewish messengers/preachers roaming during the time of Jesus in ancient Judea & Palestine). And the evidence for this is in Sūrah 7:105 of the Qur’an, where Prophet Moses says to Pharaoh: *”…I have come to you with clear evidence from your Lord, so let the Children of Israel go with me (فَأَرْسِلْ مَعِيَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ)* ~ Qur’an 7:105 Here, the Arabic word for “let go” is exactly the same word used in Sūrah 43:45 for “sent” _(arsil/arsal)_ but it clearly means to passively let the Children of Israel go free, rather than actively dispatch them somewhere (since Pharaoh obviously wanted them to say and remain his slaves). Likewise, we read Joseph’s brothers say in Sūrah 12:12 of the Qur’an: *”Let him go with us (أَرْسِلْهُ مَعَنَا) tomorrow, that he may roam and play; we will take care of him.”* ~ Qur’an 12:12, Joseph Here once again, the identical word for “send” in Sūrah 43:45 is used verbatim, but it is in the passive tone (‘let him go/allow him to come’) rather than an active command to actually send or deliver him somewhere. And so too can we understand the term in Sūrah 43:45 as a passive authorization, rather than a direct injunction. So in the final analysis-putting aside all creedal commitments and sectarian dedications-we can simply understand the passage in Sūrah 43:45 to mean the following: *_”’And you can even ask those before you whom We have allowed to roam among the various preachers of Our message - that have We truly ever set up other deities besides God to be worshipped?’_* ~ Qur’an 43:45
Your explanation is very good. Better than i can ever explain. And also the first point he mentioned can be refuted. Because he said that Allah already mentioned in Surah Al Baqarah that you should only worship one God and there was no need to mention it in Surah Az Zukhruf but actually Surah Az Zukhruf was revealed before Surah Al Baqarah. But for the second part of the video i dont know how to explain
Prophet Muhammad whilr travelling to the heaven with Gabriel he met prophets like Musa(Moses),Ibrahim(Abraham), Isa(Jesus) peace be upon them and then this Surah revealed to Prophet s.a.w
Prophet Muhammad whilr travelling to the heaven with Gabriel he met prophets like Musa(Moses),Ibrahim(Abraham), Isa(Jesus) peace be upon them and then this Surah revealed to Prophet s.a.w
The Qur'an is written by People It is obvious in the writing of it How can God speak in a third party.. If I were God, I would speak directly to my prophet not saying Allah is one Worship Him.. different from what how God communicated with the Israelites.... He would say, worship no other God but me.... I am the Lord.. So from the writing of the Qur'an you see directly it's is someone else talking about God... Not God himself... Unless the Qur'an is alive.. and is speaking about it's creator
@@PrimeSaber. the thing is, Muslims believes that the Qur'an is directly from God.... But when you read it from the outside you see it as it is. It is written by someone who is addressing people about God.. so it's not from God. And the fact that Muslims believes that is so sad.. I don blame them,they are under a spell of Lucifer and they can't escape from that unless per Individual is strong enough to go against the masses. But the truth is, The Qur'an is not from God as Muslims are made to bliv.. it's Human writings made and indoctrinated into peoples minds as from God and not to be rejected as that. They will not win because The truth always wins... God always wins. And those who lie to people and those who believe the lies will be destroyed. And Peace will reign on the earth
@@PrimeSaber. the thing is, Muslims believes that the Qur'an is directly from God.... But when you read it from the outside you see it as it is. It is written by someone who is addressing people about God.. so it's not from God. And the fact that Muslims believes that is so sad.. I don blame them,they are under a spell of Lucifer and they can't escape from that unless per Individual is strong enough to go against the masses. But the truth is, The Qur'an is not from God as Muslims are made to bliv.. it's Human writings made and indoctrinated into peoples minds as from God and not to be rejected as that. They will not win because The truth always wins... God always wins. And those who lie to people and those who believe the lies will be destroyed. And Peace will reign on the earth
It's so simple that a kid can understand it. The sentence "those of our messengers we sent before" is referred to the people of the book, so simply the prophet Mohammed pbuh was ordered to debate the people of the book about the oneness of god, and not for the sake of interrogation and seeking for answer, because Allah already clarified that. It was an averment and an establishment of the argument to those non believers.
This verse isn't directly instructing Prophet PBUH to ask every single messenger who ever lived. When God says, "Ask the messengers" he's saying to refer to the teachings of the books sent to them and their teachings. In other words, discover the book given to the Prophets and the Sunnah.
@@wolfgangreinhart2325 Did you get the Cow? This is what they sent me, a lamb. Some days having passed, Jesus having in spirit perceived the desire of the priests, ascended the Mount of Olives to pray. And having passed the whole night in prayer, in the morning Jesus praying said: 'O Lord, I know that the scribes hate me, and the priests are minded to kill me, thy servant; therefore, Lord God almighty and merciful, in mercy hear the prayers of thy servant, and save me from their snares, for thou art my salvation. Thou knowest, Lord, that I thy servant seek thee alone, O Lord, and speak thy word; for thy word is truth, which endureth for ever.' When Jesus had spoken these words, behold there came to him the angel Gabriel, saying: 'Fear not, O Jesus, for a thousand thousand who dwell above the heaven guard thy garments, and thou shalt not die till everything be fulfilled, and the world shall be near its end.' Jesus fell with his face to the ground, saying: 'O great Lord God, how great is thy mercy upon me, and what shall I give thee, Lord, for all that thou hast granted me?' The angel Gabriel answered: 'Arise, Jesus, and remember Abraham, who being willing to make sacrifice to God of his only-begotten son Ishmael, to fulfill the word of God, and the knife not being able to cut his son, at my word offered in sacrifice a sheep. Even so therefore shalt thou do, O Jesus, servant of God. Jesus answered: 'Willingly, but where shall I find the lamb, seeing I have no money, and it is not lawful to steal it?' Thereupon the angel Gabriel showed unto him a sheep, which Jesus offered in sacrifice, praising and blessing God, who is glorious for ever.
@@youtubeaccount57721 that is crazy, how can a cow can’t lay an egg, but a man can become god, because it’s a mystery. The soldiers took Judas ;and bound him, not without derision. For he truthfully denied that he was Jesus; and the soldiers, mocking him, said: 'Sir, fear not, for we are come to make you king of Israel, and we have bound you because we know that you do refuse the kingdom.' Judas answered: 'Now have you lost your senses! You are come to take Jesus of Nazareth;, with arms and lanterns as [against] a robber; and you have bound me that have guided you, to make me king!' Then the soldiers lost their patience, and with blows and kicks they began to flout Judas, and they led him with fury into Jerusalem. John ;and Peter ;followed the soldiers afar off; and they affirmed to him who writes that they saw all the examination that was made of Judas by the high priest, and by the council of the Pharisees, who were assembled to put Jesus to death. Whereupon Judas spoke many words of madness, insomuch that every one was filled with laughter, believing that he was really Jesus, and that for fear of death he was feigning madness. Whereupon the scribes bound his eyes with a bandage, and mocking him said: 'Jesus, prophet of the Nazarenes ;(for so they called them who believed in Jesus), 'tell us, who was it that smote you?' And they buffeted him and spat in his face. When it was morning there assembled the great council of scribes and elders of the people; and the high priest with the Pharisees sought false witness against Judas, believing him to be Jesus: and they found not that which they sought. And why say I that the chief priests believed Judas to be Jesus? No all the disciples, with him who writes, believed it; and more, the poor Virgin mother of Jesus, with his kinsfolk and friends, believed it, insomuch that the sorrow of every one was incredible. As God lives, he who writes forgot all that Jesus had said: how that he should be taken up from the world, and that he should suffer in a third person, and that he should not die until near the end of the world. Wherefore he went with the mother of Jesus and with John to the cross. The high priest caused Judas ;to be brought before him bound, and asked him of his disciples and his doctrine. Whereupon Judas, as though beside himself, answered nothing to the point. The high priest then adjured him by the living God of Israel that he would tell him the truth.
Bro, let me clear one misunderstanding here, u actually failed to refute the muslim argument "the isra journey" ur argument doesn't make sense? If surah isra is surah number 17 and surah zukhruf is surah number 43, how does that confirms that surah zukhruf was revealed later on? The first revelation in cave of hira is in chapter 96 of Quran not in first chapter... The order of the surah is Quran DOES NOT tell us about the order of the surahs revealed, verse 3 of surah maida (surah 5) was also revealed in the last days of the prophet's life, but its still in surah 5, instead of being in one of the last surah of Quran, So this argument is non sense to say that surah isra was surah 17 and surah zukhruf was surah 43 so it means isra journey was before surah zukhruf was ha. Further proof: Surah isra and surah zukhruf are both makki surahs, which means both of these surah were revealed in makkah and isra journey was also in makkah so there is still possibility that both these surah were revealed at the same time around, the "illogical verse" you are quoting can still be on the night journey. U didnt refuted the "illogical verse" still clearly. secondly, 7:11 whaaat? mushaf usman manipulated and changed the verse from the original mushaf abdullah? i mean whaat? who told u mushaf Abudullah is the original manuscript of the Quran, mushaf usman was written by the copy that Hafsa (ra) had, that was original manuscript of the Quran, not what Abduallah bin masud had. how can u say abdullah bin masud had the original manuscript of the Quran? Now as u said in ur video that its the truth u need to look for...then i expect u to TELL YOUR PEOPLE ABOUT THIS THAT I TOLD YOU, THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE OR DIDN'T REFUTED THIS POINT CLEARLY, IF YOU ARE ALSO A "TRUTH SEEKER" OR "TRUTHFUL PERSON" !!
@@Dr.antony1 actually this dude has much lack of understanding of Quran rather than me, if the Quran says to ask the prophets (in the so called illogical verse) then this is referring to their teachings rather than physically and literally ask them. this style of talking is used in Quran other places as well, for example in surah nisa verse 59 Allah says that if you disagree with the ruler then refer to Allah and his messenger. now we all know wut this verse means, it does not mean that u literally go to the seven heavens and refer ur problem to Allah, rather u consider his holy book and when it says refer to messenger, it does mean that u now start questioining that the messenger is dead how are we suppose to refer to him? its conmmon sense that u refer to hadith. same case is with the verse of surah zukhruf he mentioned in his video, u refer to the teachings of old prophet like in deuteronomy 6:4 it says god is one and the gospels also claim that jesus taught monotheism. this is what Allah means by refereing to the prophets. now think again who has lack of understand, me or this so called islam expert in this vidoe, its not me who found this verse illogical but its him who found it illogical, so its him who has lack of understanding of Quranic verses, not me
There are many statements in the quaran that seem illogical or are of no relevance to anything. For example. Surah 33:53 O believers! Do not enter the homes of the Prophet without permission ˹and if invited˺ for a meal, do not ˹come too early and˺ linger until the meal is ready. But if you are invited, then enter ˹on time˺. Once you have eaten, then go on your way, and do not stay for casual talk. Such behaviour is truly annoying to the Prophet, yet he is too shy to ask you to leave. But Allah is never shy of the truth. And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and theirs. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah. (What relevance does this have for mankind and why is it necessary for the whole of mankind to know this?? ) Surah 41:11 Then He turned towards the heaven when it was still like smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly. (Firstly why is GOD asking the heavens & Earth to Submit and then saying they have no choice in the matter?? How can the Earth and Heavens submit to GOD?? and how exactly did the Earth and the heavens respond. Did the Earth speak??) Surah 49:2 O believers! Do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak loudly to him as you do to one another, or your deeds will become void while you are unaware. ( What relevance does this have for anybody, why is it necessary for the whole of mankind to know this. ) Surah 67:3 He is the One Who created seven heavens, one above the other. You will never see any imperfection in the creation of the Most Compassionate. So look again: do you see any flaws? ( Well yes there are actually many flaws in the world. We are clearly not living in a perfect world ) Surah 68:2 By the grace of your Lord, you ˹O Prophet˺ are not insane. (Why is it necessary for GOD to reassure a prophet of GOD that he is not insane. It makes no sense.) Surah 97 Indeed, ˹It is˺ We ˹Who˺ sent this ˹Quran˺ down on the Night of Glory. And what will make you realize what the Night of Glory is? The Night of Glory is better than a thousand months. That night the angels and the ˹holy˺ spirit descend, by the permission of their Lord, for every ˹decreed˺ matter. It is all peace until the break of dawn. ( This just seems gibberish to me and what does "Better than a thousand months" mean?? ) Surah 105 Have you not seen ˹O Prophet˺ how your Lord dealt with the Army of the Elephant? For He sent against them flocks of birds, that pelted them with stones of baked clay, leaving them like chewed up straw. ( There is no context given as to what the purpose of this revelation is. Who are the Army of the Elephant?? What did this Army do to deserve this punishment?? How is anyone alive today supoose to know what this is referring to or what relevance it has?? )
. واسأل الذين أرسلنا إليهم قبلك رسلنا " ، ومعنى الأمر بالسؤال التقرير لمشركي قريش أنه لم يأت رسول ولا كتاب بعبادة غير الله - عز وجل Very easy explanation from Tafsir Baghawi Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's illogical
Honestly I don't see the issue. I have never found it problematic. It is an obvious rhetorical question. Both who he is being told to ask and what he is being told to ask. It is just emphasizing that all the of course God didn't send any Prophet with the command to take other gods to be worshipped! Duh! ... Or do you really think he was being commanded to do that by God? ... Or if you think Muhammad invented the Qur'an, that he put that verse in as anything but rhetoric? When argue that a clever person is being ridiculously stupid you better make sure of it. Usually, it just makes the accuser look stupid for trying to "catch out" the clever person with something the latter didn't mean and which just went over the accuser's head. Sorry, but very poor Yet again, hey ... it's just extra content for you, right?
@@nicco-sixty How does the set up for rhetorical question prevent it from being a rhetorical question? Divide the grammar however you want, the verse is clearly rhetorical. Because there is clearly only one answer; no! And it is brilliantly rhetorical at that, because it takes in all previous Messengers in its answer, the obvious and only possible answer, of "no" It is 100% rhetorical. To not see that is to be as stupid as the mufasireen were, or to have too much time on your hands, as they did, and nothing to do but peck at such minor things (or else have no better arguments) so as to waste your time on it and lower the regard thinking intellectual people would have for you and your ability and/or objectivity
@@QuranicIslamit’s hard to be “Quran-centric” because you need the Sunnah to understand the historical background of Quranic verses. Such as Zayd, Abu Lahab, etc. whom Quran mentions but you have no idea who they are. Interestingly, you have no idea who or what Muhammad is if you base it on the Quran since it’s only used 4 times and as a title- for example it says in Surah 3:144 that all the messengers before Muhammad died. However supposedly Jesus didn’t die, so that means the ayah is an error if it’s talking about a prophet after Jesus. Yet we see the same phrasing is used for the Messiah in surah 5:75
In Islamic tradition, there is no explicit mention of Prophet Muhammad interacting with other prophets outside of the event of Isra and Miraj in terms of direct encounters. However, there are narratives in Islamic literature where Prophet Muhammad is believed to have conversed with other prophets and messengers in various spiritual contexts, such as during his nightly prayers or in visions. These encounters often serve to emphasize the continuity and unity of the prophetic message across different times and cultures. While such interactions may not be explicitly detailed in recorded accounts, they are acknowledged within the broader framework of Islamic belief in the interconnectedness of prophethood. So your claim on God asking the previous Prophet’s of God if they were told to worship Allah SWT. This isn’t god saying I told you I am god now confirm with the messengers. No it’s god saying Ask the Messengers if they were told to worship just me as the people on earth do differently (perhaps) people thought or even the messenger that God ultimately made different revelations for them which isn’t the case. When you promote critical thinking promote it right.
Hypocrisy.. Why do I say that?..well most(if not all) muslims deny that Saint paul met Jesus on his way to prosecute early Christian groups..paul met Jesus in a spiritual way..so if you're saying muhammad met the other prophets before him then you should understand that paul also met Jesus..
Hi Adam ,I put this verse along with a summary of your commentary for Müslïms to comment on another channel , and they went on a face saving mode by inserting the words "followers of" the prophets 😂😂😂😂
It’s exactly what I said at the start of the video… they will take a copy and paste answer because that’s what they were given over and over again! Thanks for sharing 🙏
Hey Adam You do make a lot of sense. From my Christian point of view,.no evidence for anything that muhammad received only his word. It's pretty evident that it's a mixed up book. I have to trust the historical evidence for Christ. Nothing new I am saying. No one can refute Jesus lived, His execution, even His resurrection was witnessed by many. Now for me and as many great apologists, theologians, authors etc have said. Either Jeaus was who he claimed to be (God) or he was a complete lunatic or worse. To just claim like muslims (the quran) he was a wise prophet etc, is utter nonsense. It is either true or false, the evidence indicates yes He was actually God in human form, regardless how foolish that may seem. Love God with all your heart, soul and mind, then love others as yourself. Now I don't think there is any way it could express peace better than those words Yes there are some harsh lessons and sayings in the bible, I think you mentioned somewhere about how peaceful the message was spread (mainly) In the end,.the New Testament is the most important book (s) ever written down. Believe or don't believe, God has left that choice to everyone. Sadly many have missed the true love of Christ
1. The verse isn’t necessarily literal. There’s a lot of poetry and exaggeration in the Quran. It’s possible that God doesn’t literally command the prophet to go and physically ask the prophets, rather, it for the prophet and his companions to ponder whether or not appointing Gods besides Allah is something Allah would really do. Just like if I were to tell you “the president would never attack Iraq just for oil, you could ask Saddam Hussein himself!!” I’m not literally telling you to go ask him because I know that would be nearly impossible, but im telling you to reconsider. 2. Even if God was literally commanding Muhammad to ask the prophets before him, Muhammad met other prophets including Jesus (who is well known in Islam as a person who people associated as a son to God) on a miraculous journey. It’s possible he could have been able to ask him and other prophets on this journey. I’m aware that this story comes before the verse in question, however, the verses were compiled by the sahaba and they weren’t necessarily written in the order in which they were revealed. You must also acknowledge the possibility that the verse was revealed to muhammad before he went on that journey, yet the sahaba compiled and wrote it in a different order. 3. I’ve outlined all these alternate possibilities for you and as logic follows.. If you make a certain active claim that you make to be 100% true, the second I outline an alternate possibility, it makes your claim uncertain, and not 100% true. But I commend you for your skepticism and critical thought.
thank you for your critical thinking, however I still feel as if this surah is not illogical, mainly because the quran isnt written in the order of the revelations, surah az zukhruf was actually revealed earlier than surah al baqarah was and we dont know how communication between Mohammed (pbuh) and Allah (swt) took place, maybe he was really given the opportunity to ask the other prophets and its just beyond of what we can understand. Indeed its truly not your eyes that are blind, its your heart. Please dont ignore this comment and please prove me wrong if you can, since I am surely not all knowing and want to know more.
Thank you for your comment, honesty and respect. Your words “..maybe he was really given the opportunity to ask the other prophets and it’s just beyond of what we can understand” - here are my thoughts around this: 1- The Quran is supposed to be a clear message for humanity that we can understand. If we accept something as true, just because - maybe - it’s beyond our understanding, that would open the door to accept anything we cannot verify as truth. We will continue to say “maybe we don’t understand”. Well, if we cannot understand a message and verify news that were intended for humanity at large, then may be we shouldn’t blindly trust it! 2- As I mentioned, the verse was found to be problematic since early time. Even the earliest Muslim scholars found it to be nonsensical and tried to come up with many explanations. That is something not to be ignored! 3- Surat Al-Baqara’s timing is not really of a strong relevance to the argument. It was merely a side point (to support all other evidences presented in the video). But really, it is Surat Al-Israa (specifically the verses concerning the story of the Israa journey) and Surat Al-Zukhruf’s timing that matter to the argument. The timing of these two have been verified and the israa journey - allegedly- took place before Surat Al-Zukhruf.
Quran chapter 61 verse 8. They want to extinguish the light of God by uttering blasphemies. But God wills to perfect His light, however the unbelievers may dislike it.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Islamic studies website have explained what this means and that to look what the message other Messengers brought. If you check the current translation, it matches with the ibn masud in the sense that it means "ask those".
Interesting enough, if we dare to just read one verse more, we see that Allah himself answers the question for Mohammed and then tells the story of Moses and Jesus and how he revealed them the message about his uniqueness. Given that, it is not rational at all to take the verse literal. "Ask the messengers that We already sent before you if We ˹ever˺ appointed ˹other˺ gods to be worshipped besides the Most Compassionate." (43:45) "Indeed, We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his chiefs, and he said: “I am a messenger of the Lord of all worlds.” (43:46) Keep reading until 43:64 and you see Allah telling the entire story. This argument only works if you take the verse out of context. Also: Muhammed will meet all the prophets again on the day of judgement and in paradise. He is free to ask whatever he wills. Claiming that Allah commands Muhammed to ask the prophets in his lifetime to confirm his oneness is not just completely dismissing the context, but also goes against central teachings of islam. (There is no need for a Allahs teachings to be confirmed any humans)
I just researched what you said and I've got an important note, first of all, you can't say that a whole chapter was revealed before or after an event such as the journy of israa and al-miraaj, this exposed to me your ignorance about the holy Quran. How could you criticise the quran while you don't even know that the verses in the Quran were not revealed in order!? Let alone entire Surahs
Thank you for your comment and notes! I am well aware of what you mentioned, however, for your knowledge, if you look up the order of revelation of any Sura, you will find that the majority of a Sura is usually revealed around the same time with some verses being the exception. That said, when a good chunk of a Sura that talks about a single topic is written/revealed (e.g israa journey), that chunk of verses all belongs to the same time slot. My argument wasn’t as ignorant as you think. I urge you to go and check the revelation times of the specific two items (verses/chunks of Sura) mentioned in my video and verify that for yourself. Bottom line, the israa journey took place prior to the time of Surat Az-Zukhruf (the specific problematic verse)
@@AdamElmasriEnglish when was it exactly revealed then ? According to several sources it was revealed in last few years prior to the hijrah and the israa wa al-miraaj happened around that same time ( scholars suggested it was one year before the hijrah ) so the verse and the journy happened around the same time
It reminds me of the verse " do the non believers not see that the heavens and the earth were one entity and we (Allah) separated them" No, I think they didn't see 😂😂
The word “yara” doesn’t only mean ‘to see’ in the purely physical sense, but also rhetorically as in ‘to realize’ or ‘to consider’. That’s why even in English we can say - “I see your point”. So before you laugh, it’s important to learn a bit about the language you’re dealing with, lest the laughter boomerangs right back to your face…
@@celestialknight2339 Yeah and if you read the verse you will realize that, whatever meaning you give to the word "yarra" still doesn't make the the verse logical. No the non believers didn't REALIZE, that the earth and the heavens were one part and God separated them. How would they REALIZE that, also because that didn't happen.
@@adamyaser7136of course non believers realise that as there’s no alternative to why the Big Bang happened is there 😂 Being in denial isn’t an argument.
Regarding forging, I was reminded of S 10:37 "And *this* quran was not to be fabricated *instead of Allah..."* Only Allah could fabricate that particular quran?
The Arabic language is a reasonably flexible language and a single word cannot always be pigeonholed into a single meaning. Regarding the word ‘to forge’ (yuftarā’) - it can indeed mean to forge, but also more generally means ‘to devise’ or ‘to make up’. Even in English, I can say “Okay class, now get out your pencils and make up your own poems.” - I am not asking the students to fabricate in the sense of deception, but to use their creativity to generate a poem. Likewise, I can say “You just made that story up!” to confront someone of their lie. So using the exact same phrase, we see it can have a radically different meaning depending on context. This is why the word “makeup” in English means the beauty products used by woman - we are not accusing them of forging anything; it’s just how language developed. And even the term “fabrication” itself can also refer to the skilled trade that involves assembling parts into products. So how can you possibly ignore & turn willfully blind to such clear-cut diversity of semantics within the English language, yet refuse to afford the same flexibility to the Classical Arabic tongue, let alone in a highly poetic and rhetorical book (the Qur’an)? Let’s do better than that.
@@celestialknight2339 My post, Fabrication S 10:37 And this quran was not to be fabricated instead of Allah but is a confirmation of that in front of it and an analysis of the Book. There is no doubt concerning it, from the lord of the ‘alamin. S 10:38 Or do they say: He has fabricated it? Say: Bring a surah the like of it and invoke whom you can instead of Allah if you are truthful. S 11:13 Or they say: He has fabricated it. Say: Then bring ten surahs the like of it, fabricated, and invoke whom you can instead of Allah if you are truthful. S 11:35 Or do they say: He has fabricated it? Say: If I have fabricated it then upon me is my guilt and I am innocent of what you incriminate. S 21:5 Rather, they have said: Medleys of dreams. Rather, he has fabricated it. Rather, he is a poet. So let him bring us a sign as was sent the first ones. S 25:4 And those who have disbelieved have said: This is nothing but vilification. He has fabricated it and other people have helped him. But they have come as a wrong and an untruth. S 32:3 Or do they say: He has fabricated it? Rather, it is the truth from your lord that you may warn a people whom no nadhir has come to before you; perhaps they will be guided. S 46:8 Or they say: He has fabricated it. Say: If I have fabricated it then you are not able for me against Allah at all. He is a knower of what you pour out concerning it. Sufficient was he as a witness between me and you and he is the forgiver, the merciful. The author was accused of fabricating his work but it would seem that the author was saying that only Allah could fabricate it. iftara. افترى Definition from a dictionary: to make up, to fabricate, to invent افترى - Wiktionary
Seriously this is the best example of “Not the eyes that are blind but the heart”. We muslim read the surah that the video maker mention yet Alhamdulillah we understand the true meaning. Meanwhile the video maker made assumptions by himself, ofcourse its his video. For all non muslim who read my comments, don’t immediately believe him. Never stop educate yourself, check by yourself, reading Al Quran by yourself words by words. If you don’t understand ask your muslim friend or seikh not ex muslim, because the answer will 100% wrong.
Because even early SCHOLARS are confused with that verse meaning.... and now you laymen act like you are better than Imam Ibn Katsir, Imam Qurtubi, and other GREAT Imam?
This's utterly shallow, desperate & futile way to discredit a universal Qur'an & Islam. When this verse or the whole Qur'an was revealed, there were both Jewish & Christian scholars in Mecca, Medina & elsewhere in Hijaz & the Levant. In fact the first man who informed prophet Muhammad of his impending prophethood & being a Messenger was none other than the cousin of his first wife Kadijah who was a Christian. So prophet Muhammad's brother-in-law knew the message of Jesus, and so were many other Jewish & Christian scholars. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a chosen human, so Allah was telling him "go and ask Christian & Jewish scholars as a witness". This verse & others also apply to all Muslims & non-Muslims. Today, we're finding the proofs from all over the world on the internet and this's the reason Islam is the fastest growing religion which will soon become the largest religion in the whole world. Chapter 6, verse 20 in the Qur'an translates as: the Christian and Jewish scholars recognize you o Muhammad that you're a prophet and messenger of Allah, the same way that they recognize their sons". And yet, Chapter 16, verse 43 proofs further. Basically, God treats his prophets & their would be followers as humans. Moses asked God to show himself face to face, but then God told him "your eyes & human ability" wouldn't survive seeing me, but I'll show myself to that mountain. And when God exposed himself to the mountain, it was flattened with big boom but Moses fainted bcs of that event. When Moses woke up, he repented to God. Basically God knows human instincts and abilities very well. Another verse in the Qur'an translates to: if the earth was inhabited by Angels instead of humans, then God would have chosen a Messenger among them. Grow up people. Forget about Islamophobia & the media that mislead. Pickup or order your free copy of Qur'an and read it yourself.
You don't need to know much about Islamic history early on per its own sources to realize this was a very human thing with little of the divine about it except its pretensions. Muhammad died unexpectedly without naming a successor (caliph) So much for Allah being the best of planners when he didn't even make provision for this basic thing. And what happened next was outrageous - the civil wars among the successors! Bloodthirsty and mindless affairs among those who were the so called companions of the prophet. Caliphs assassinated one after the other, Mecca and the Kaaba attacked and bombed by catapults. Murder and mayhem that went on and on. Even Muhammad's close relatives killed. Uthman the caliph who burnt all the original Korans and then compiled a new one from dubious sources was murdered - by rival Muslims before he had time to murder them! What does it all remind you of -gangster warfare or "Game of thrones' scenario. Everything in early Islam boils down to battles, caravan raids, taking loot and slaves. The Islamic heroes are all sword slashers and cut throats. Imagine for one minute if this had been the scenario following the death of Jesus. Apostle fighting apostle, disciple murdering disciple. Paul gathering a huge army and attacking Peter and John. Peter responding by assassinating his rivals. Yet in Islam we are expected to accept all this murder and mayhem as part of divine plan. Don't take us for fools!
@@kaloarepo288Muhammad SAW died without appointing a Caliph maybe that’s what needed to happen for Islam to thrive you don’t know what god’s plan is my friend even in today’s world the worst thing that can happen to you might even be the best thing.
Don't take us for fools my friend! Don't take us for fools! Just go away you arguments are so cringeworthy i would be ashamed even to make them in the first place! Don't take us for fools and idiots!@@zt8337
Here is the fact and answer of this man's argument and it is not a mistake How could the Prophet (PBUH) question the dead messengers? Doubt may arise in this. But 'Ask the messengers!' It should be understood in terms of "seek in the teachings brought by the messengers".Another verse in the Holy Quran is a proof. Verse 4:59 of the Holy Qur'an says, "If you doubted, take it to Allah and His Messenger."Allah says. Here take to Allah can have no other meaning than deal with Allah's scriptures(qur'an).Similarly, take it to the Messenger of Allah, if you can take it to the Prophet (peace be upon him) while he was alive.No issue can be transferred to them after their death. It is meant to be aligned with their guidance(hadheeth).This verse should be understood in the same way. This is further confirmed by the fact that the Holy Qur'an says in many places that the dead do not hear or answer.
'Problematic' is an overdramatization. The quraan was revealed in the Arab tongue -> that is the spoken Arab language. In the spoken language, when someone says: "If you don't believe it, ask him!" Does NOT mean that you HAVE to literally go and ask, for example, if the person is standing right there, and they did not object to the statement. Alternatively, the statement can be asserted if there's an account of the person saying something, and that would also be accepted in a court, so you also don't need to ask the person in question. In other occasions in the Quraan, God mentions what He told the prophets before to tell their people. And that's the written account on their behalf. EDIT: Keep bringing more.
لا كنت عاوز اسال حضرتك في سؤال انت كنت بتكلم عن المعوذتين وابن مسعود وكنت حضرتك جبت حديث شبه المعوذتين وقلت أنه لو اضفنا قل هتبقى معوذه تالته بس انا مش فاكر حضرتك قولت ده فين ممكن الحديث بعد اذنك ❤@@AdamElmasriEnglish
Another reason the verse was not a command in the literal sense to go ask the Prophets..when I tell you something you don’t believe I tell you to go ask so and so if you don’t believe it…this is Allah the creator of the heavens and the earth ..are you not gonna believe him and go ask the Prophets if it’s true?
ask those prophets who came before you ; it literally is for not muhammad its for disbelivers [ use torah and injeel which was bestowed upon prophets before muhammad ] well nice try also muhammad cant read or write and u compare surah 43 [1] verse to other surah ; compare whole surah when u have time and also thanks i always comfirm it and i never found an error and i never found 2 copies of quran in 20 years
And ask those We sent before you of Our messengers .... does not mean to ask the messengers, rather it means to refer to the books these messengers were given. For example, in sura Nisaa ayah 59, Allah says "O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day". Here "refer it to Allah and the messenger" does not mean referring literally to Allah and his messenger but rather referring to the Book of Allah (ie The Quran) and the Sunnah of the Prophet. The other point I would like to make is this. Are you more knowledgeable in Arabic than the Arabs during the time of the Prophet? Do you know more about the Torah than the Jews of Madina during the time of the Prophet? Surprisingly neither the Arabs nor the Jews at that time raised any issue on the meaning of this ayat. They understood this ayat perfectly.
i’m not convinced so strongly like you that this is a mistake. Obviously it must’ve made sense to the people at the time because otherwise the profit would have realized it made no sense and perhaps modified it through abrogation or something like that so there must’ve been an understood meaning. Perhaps it is a form of expression or a rhetorical way of asking. It seems like a very small issue to me if anything. another possible meeting for messengers could be the angels also. And obviously the prophet has access to angels if islam is true and he could’ve asked Gabriel and anyone else.
A Qiraat: "And ask those to whom We sent Our messengers before you.” The meaning of the command to ask is to inform the polytheists of Quraysh that no messenger or book came to worship anyone other than God - the Almighty. Very easy explanation from Tafsir Baghawi his misunderstanding is just illogical
None, because we currently do possess the original and it has no errors - just lots of angry people who wish to combat the truth with false arguments. If the Qur’an was somehow radically changed for theological or political purpose, it is not the book we would expect it to be. The criticisms of the Prophet Muhammad would have been removed; the ambiguous references to Baka would have been changed to Mecca; the enigmatic verses that caused scholars to dispute would have been altered to emerge the meaning they wanted; and as even atheist Qur’anic scholars like Nicolai Sinai have noted, we would expect the Qur’an to have explicitly territorial dominion verses added to it that mentioned Persia, Rome, Jerusalem, and other places that belonged to the Muslims’ ownership - and yet no such statements exist. The Qur’an is very much well-intact. But you guys can just keep on denying the truth until Judgement Day arrives :) Just wait. We too are waiting.
We don't actually. The original copies were lost along with verses long time ago. Also people today follow hadith more than the quran so technically the word of god has been corrupted.@@celestialknight2339
Elmasri, I am afraid that you failed to grasped the true meaning of the verse that you first quoted. It is indeed true that Quran clearly and emphatically teaches that there is only one God, that is Allah, and there's no other god beside Him. The verse that tells prophet Muhammad to ask his people to make an enquiry and find out as to whether the previous prophets taught about the plurality of gods was a general appeal to the people of prophet Muhammad's time, even though the address is directed to prophet Muhammad as he was the divine recipient of the revelation. It was an address to the disbelievers that they should search and find out, and that they will come to know that the teachings of prophet Muhammad to the effect that there's only one God, was the same teachings taught by the previous prophets who preceded him and that what prophet Muhammad was teaching was nothing new. I am afraid that you failed woefully to understand this simple statements and ended up by saying that it is illogical. It is not illogical at all; the blame squarely lies on you because you failed to grasped the true import of this simple statements. Thus it is so, because all the so called research that you are undertaking is being done with a biased mindset and so when you come across any verse of the holy Quran, you don't take your time to understand it with unbiased mind and so you end up making such serious blunders. All the so called research and criticism that you have been leveling against the holy Quran are full of blunders, it is only the uninformed so called Muslim scholars that you can frighten them with such rheotorics. I am not one of such people and I want to state here again clearly, that your criticism against the holy Quran is full of blunders without any merit.
My understanding is that Quran is Waraqah ibn Nawal the Zoroaster monk who created and wrote the book included verses of Muhammad rules. This book was mainly to support Muhammad's goals became the most powerful man on earth and heaven. The power on earth subjected to surpass King Solomon and in Heaven to surpass Jesus. 😃😃The written book was turned into traditional MEMORIZEN LANGUAGE in regard to apply those in the illiterate communities.
Just read few verse before and after it to gain context. The setting of 43:45 were talking about day of judgement, so of course every single person would be present that day. Allah knows best
That's very interesting. I can see how the night journey has the irreconcilable problem of time lapse I can also see how trying to reconcile this verse using the other verse which replaced 'prophets' with 'alhal al kitab' can be deeply problematic as it will invariably mean there were indeed many versions of the Quran There is definitely no way out without running into problems specially when one uses Qu'ran to Qu'ran tafsir However, if one use opinion to Qu'ran tafsir and say that the verse mean consult the teaching, readings or context of what written in the previous book,one would still run into deep issues - As this would simply means the Qu'ran is not mobeen as its alledged.
"Go and ask previous prophet or previous generations have been mentioned in many verses of the Quraan. Allah is not COMMANDING Muhammad to actually go and ask them. It is A WAY SAYING, a style of the language through which Allah has beautifully described what has come before Muhammad. Just because you don't speak the same way or do not appreciate the beauty of literature, doesn't make it illogical. Allah has designed every verse to make it beautiful and has claimed that you won't be able to come up with another verse like this.
The Quan was revealed in literary classical Arabic, in a style, if a person/ persons in whose heart is a decease/idiots reads it would give wrong impression/context, so that person/persons, whom Allah, being Omniscient, knew would never ever repent and return to the right path would take it wrongly, hence the 'Revelations' orally with the absence of punctuation marks. Now read the verse in question as the following to get the right context: Ask those, (to whom) of Our Messengers We sent before you: "Did We appoint gods besides the Most Gracious to be worshipped?"
‘Ask the Messengers: Find out from the Books brought by them. Just as the meaning of: “If there arises any dispute among you about anything, refer it to Allah and His Prophet,” is not that the dispute should be taken before Allah and His Messenger, but that one should turn to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger for a decision, so “asking the Messengers” also does not mean that one should approach all the Messengers who have left the world and ask them, but the right meaning is: Discover what teachings the Messengers of Allah have left in the world as to which of them taught that another than Allah also is worthy of worship and service.’ Ref: ‘Towards Understanding the Quran’ by Mawdudi
May be He will be pleased to know that I “defended him” in questioning truth and logic! If the consequences are coming from an all-knowing all-just God, who appreciate the pursuit of truth, then I’m ready for it.
Thanks for the video Adam, I wish you were around more often, even if just in short live videos, chatting with other people (Muslims, ex-Muslims, atheist etc). Please keep it up.
1.Prophet Muhammad while travelling to the heaven with Gabriel he met prophets like Musa(Moses),Ibrahim(Abraham), Isa(Jesus) peace be upon them and then this Surah revealed to Prophet s.a.w So half-knowledge is very dangerous😂
@@AdamElmasriEnglish thank you for replying. I read the quran twice but it was hard to understand. Best I found your channel. May I ask what quran online version should I turn to when you recommend some verses to look up?
The ayat you are questioning is actually having the answer in the Quran in QS.21:25. the Quran is often rhetorical and this also happens in QS. 43:45. And even tho it is retorical, again, the answer is in the other ayat in QS.21:25. The prophet would have certainly known the answer if he were to ask the previous prophets before him by reading QS.21:25. The Quran is like a puzzle. All the 6236 ayats have connection to each other somehow. You do not conclude a picture of a puzzle by assembling only few pieces, do you? You have to assemble all the pieces in the correct way. So try harder next time if you want to debunk the Quran lol
Even a child can do it,can you tell me in what universe jews worshiped some random guy named ezra as the son of god or when christians considered marriam part of the trinity,or does 33:50 sounds to you from god or a horny cult leader?Come in the 21st century dude!
Rhetorical huh? Is 33:50 rhetorical also,is the obvious contradiction between 10:64 and 16: 101 also rhetorical? 4: 24 is rhetorical?18:86?86:5?67:5?21:32?24:43?So many rhetoricals,you cant even know whats truth in the end.Nice try though,but you have to understand that in the 21st century you cant defend quran,or any other religious book,anymore!
Is It True in Holy Bible 1Timothy 2:11. It Mentioned "LET A WOMEN LEARN IN SILENCE WITH FULL SUBMISSION. I PERMIT NO WOMEN TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER MAN. SHE IS TO KEEP SILENT.?????🙏🙏
Allah says there is verse in Koran wcich is mutabisah, we say leave it and say ALLAH knows best what it means.People whose hearrt is dirty like the verse as mutabisah meant to create dispute to disbelieve the get misguided then thrown in hell because their heart is dirty for they are sinners.So Muslims will avoid falling into this trap will avoid the verse which are not clear in the meaning , when we encounter mutabisah we always say Allah knows best the meaning.
@@beowuulf whatever makes you happy .. but its true .. not anybody can do this .. and its not stupid .. its just too much for you to comprehend... goodnight .. 😘
Brother, I’m a native Arabic speaker. I didn’t speak any other language other than Arabic until I was 28! If you watched the video (and saw me reading the verse in Arabic) you would have known that!!
@@AdamElmasriEnglish im a native arabic speaker too .. i didnt mean no disrespect at all by the way .. and i dont even know that much about arabic language.. but when god says ask the profit before you .. .. its like when you tell someone .. ask the romans how ruling the world be like .. and thats my humble understanding of that verse .. and still im not really sure .. anyways .. its all respect , peace and love .. everybody have their religion .. والله اعلم
Since the Quran was revealed in Arabic language so take the Arabic language meanings not the Persian language.rasool does not mean messenger in Arabic language means message 😮
In simple reasoning - God Already created you and the whole universe without any need. so if He says to Ask other Prophet to confirm why is it illogical. then the whole point of existence can be deemed illogical because there's no need of it to begin with.
Why is adam is wrong in saying that quran 43:45 is illogical? a. In quran 43:45, the phrase 'ask the messengers whom We sent before you' means 'find out from the books brought by them'. b. This is similar to quran 4:59 which says, 'if there arises any dispute among you about anything, refer it to allah and His prophet'. It is not that the dispute should be taken before allah and His messenger but that one should turn to the book of allah and the sunnah of His messenger for a decision. c. So “asking the messengers” in quran 43:45 also does not mean that one should approach all the messengers who have left the world and ask them but the right meaning is, discover what teachings the messengers of allah have left in the world as to which of them taught that another than allah also is worthy of worship and service. Nothing in the quran is illogical. Rather, quran is guidance from god to mankind until the day of judgement (end times).
@@sethsuleiman4419 Ik brother. but Adam here don't wanna understand. I was just saying God can do anything. also calling creator of logic as Illogical doesn't make any sense either. Also to keep in mind the Ayah He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason. Surah Ali Imran 3:7
@@sethsuleiman4419 ik brother. but Adam here don't wanna understand it . God can do anything. Also calling creator of logic illogical doesn't make any sense either. Also to keep in mind the Ayah He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason. Surah Ali Imran 3:7
This is very simple to understand. It is telling us that all the messengers came with the oneness of God. Your ignorance of the Arabic language is damaging you .
If we accept the interpretation of " ask the people who have prophets like Cristians and Jews" we will still have problem. Christians accept Jesus and Meryem gods according to quran. So quran shows wrong witnesses, christains will testify against qurans question of "did we appoint gods beside Allah?", and Christians will say "yes, Jesus is a god beside Allah". What a smart god!
very interesting question dear, ok get answer of it, if i will says it to my mullahs in sub continent they will make fatwa of blasphemy and shall kill me, but the word prophet means the messengers of Lord, it is not necessary that the messengers called by Lord is only a human, in surah hud Lord use word prophet for angels who were sent to abraham. now come to the point there are two words used in Quran "nabi" and "rasool" . nabi means which is sent message by Lord by "wahi" electric signals or by angels. and rasool could be anyone who took the message of Allah. here is a point that before prophet Muhammad there was no man on the true religion? there were so many priest and rabbi who were not polytheists and were workers of Lord and were preaching the Lord's holy scriptures. so in this verse the word prophet used for those who were preaching. and there is no word worship in any religion, did Lord made created us to bent down infront of Him, if this was needed then the angels were enough, Lord says in Quran we have created humans and Jinns for our slavery(working). the word عبد use to misinterpret by scholars its original meaning is workers/slaves
It is logical again understand the Arabic language & full context in Quran as it is all complete each other Also it means read the biography the messengers before you Understand the Arabic Language Quran is not in English Ask messengers before you in a day of judgmen not now Also The same as asking Jesus in day of judgment did you ask people to worship me ?? Understand the full context linked together & Arabic language so well Be objective not a hatred Coptic
@@worldscitizen8579 In Islamic tradition, there is no explicit mention of Prophet Muhammad interacting with other prophets outside of the event of Isra and Miraj in terms of direct encounters. However, there are narratives in Islamic literature where Prophet Muhammad is believed to have conversed with other prophets and messengers in various spiritual contexts, such as during his nightly prayers or in visions. These encounters often serve to emphasize the continuity and unity of the prophetic message across different times and cultures. While such interactions may not be explicitly detailed in recorded accounts, they are acknowledged within the broader framework of Islamic belief in the interconnectedness of prophethood. So your claim on God asking the previous Prophet’s of God if they were told to worship Allah SWT. This isn’t god saying I told you I am god now confirm with the messengers. No it’s god saying Ask the Messengers if they were told to worship just me as the people on earth do differently (perhaps) people thought or even the messenger that God ultimately made different revelations for them which isn’t the case. So even if the journey took place afterwards his claim still can’t be labeled as illogical.
@@worldscitizen8579 obviously you do not know what logic is, let me help you out here, in this specific case the logic is implied, it's not direct, it's there and you need to detect it, and you can do that with an in-depth knowledge of the subject matter and how logic relates to it.
sura 43:45 is probably made for christians who say jesus is god and we should worship jesus, while jesus said in mathew worship god and serve him only, so christians should ask them self what their messenger said who is not here... Matthew 4:10 10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”
Jesus in the previous verse said to Satan Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Jesus and the Father are one, which means they are one in essence so this doesn’t exclude him. Jesus is God in the flesh, not to mention that the Father is not your Allah because Allah is not a father to no one in any meaning.
@@ZonexNT father is translation and probably the right word is Creator... either way so are you satan follower for not following jesus said that it is written and you should worship God of jesus abraham muhammed and me..
@@ZonexNT father means creator for jesus... but are you satan follower for not worshipping God of jesus adam abraham and muhammed, because jesus said it is even written and get away from me for those who try to say elsewise...
@@ZonexNT father means creator for jesus... but are you satan follower for not worshipping God of jesus adam abraham and muhammed, because jesus said it is even written and get away from me for those who try to say elsewise... google removed my first answer so re typed something like it...
@@tentimesful Your prophet said you can’t call God Father, why are you disobeying your prophet and Quran? According to your Quran you have to summit to Muhammed and Allah which seems like shirk to me (associating partners with Allah). Why do you follow this false prophet who was bewitched by Satan and not Jesus himself?
It's revealing how the Mufassireen had to jump in to express what the Allah couldn't express clearly in the first place.
Yes, it reveals how narrowly _THEIR_ interpretive scope was due to the strict tradition and exegetical custom they were immersed in. But it says absolutely nothing about the coherence of the verse itself, which can easily be understood with a moral flexible and Qur’an-centric perspective that accounts for the whole of the evidence.
Even the clearest of statements (“the sky is blue” or “there are two genders”) can be misunderstood and re-interpreted in countless ways by people who have pre-conceived notions, attachments, and biases that sway or prevent them from one understanding over another. For example, even the elementary statement above (‘there are two genders’) is not only re-interpreted, but today stands as literally one of the greatest controversies of our modern generation, despite its blatant simplicity. It just goes to show you how culture, bias, upbringing, environment, and pre-supposition can massively influence the way you see things. And if you think that you are free or immune from such influences - then you are in fact likely the deepest one in it.
But disagreement or misunderstanding does not disprove revelation. It just proves the fallibility of humans, which is what the revelations insist on to begin with. In fact, the Qur’an itself acknowledges such fallibility in comprehension and the persistence of disagreement:
*”…So what is the matter with these people, that they can hardly understand a statement?”* ~ Qur’an 4:78
Or when it declares:
*”To God is your collective return - where He shall then explain to you all that you used to disagree about.”* ~ Qur’an 5:48
We also have examples like Qur’an 11:71, where the laughter of Abraham’s wife precedes the mention of her son Isaac - a fact that also confused many of the early Islamic exegetes and gave birth (no pun intended) to many varying interpretations, even some that supposed the Arabic word ‘dhahak’ (to laugh) to possibly mean “to menstruate”! - All in a desperate attempt to explain the apparent incoherence with mentioning Sarah’s laughter & surprise before her son’s birth was even announced.
Yet it was only later with new insight and a fresh pair of eyes that we discovered the deeper Arabic-Hebrew play of words being employed, due to the fact that the name Isaac literally means ‘laughter’ in ancient Hebrew. Thus the verse suddenly made perfect sense: ‘His wife laughed, and thus We gave her the news of Isaac (‘laughter’)”.
This is just one of several examples that goes to show how uncovering the deeper layers of the Qur’an-and approaching it with a wider horizon-can reveal many things and clear up potentially ambiguous passages which were once thought to be enigmatic. Yet even in the midst of such passages (both Qur’an 11:71 and here in Sūrah 43), the essence and foundational teaching behind the verse remains perfectly clear and coherent - God is the one & only, and no other messenger has been sent with a message that states otherwise, or preached a different god to be worshipped.
Finally, the fact that these words were never changed throughout the centuries - as was the case with parts of the Bible for theologically agenda - demonstrates that despite the occasional confusion, the Muslims never attempted to intentionally alter the words of the Qur’an for their own benefit. This point is also acknowledged by non-Muslim Qur’anic scholars like Nicolai Sinai, who evinces passages like Sūrah 3:96 as clear evidence that religious or politically motivated textual corruption was virtually non-existent in the Islamic tradition.
@@celestialknight2339and of course, nothing you said proves mohammed was a prophet, that God made him a messenger, or that God exists.
But but but...We have given you a clear Qur'an! 😂
@@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000 Nothing you just said proves humanism, atheistic naturalism, or your theory of ethics. - Are you a bot? Are just too dense to understand that the original comment had utterly nothing to do with proving such theories & beliefs? You are basically having an irrelevant discussion with yourself. Well enjoy it, I guess!
@@prahaladbhat3512atleast muslims know when that was return and there are 100% proof that such thing existed
As per my knowledge and after asking my more than 15 hindu friends none of them knew when this events took place or are there any single solid proof about it’s existance…
Highly appreciate you if you could give me se reference brother.
And please don’t give that ram setu example.
As an ex muslim(atheist now)I've learned that no matter what you say or do they will blindly believe it, islam is made to be strongly believing no matter what and you cannot question anything about it. The only way for someone to get out of the religion bubble is up to them to follow logic. No body can convince someone.
To some extent, I agree with you. But those who will follow the logic eventually, they still need to be shown the way and the logic to stimulate their brains
Quran 11 : 13
Or do they say, “He has fabricated this ˹Quran˺!”? Say, ˹O Prophet,˺
“Produce ten fabricated sûrahs like it and seek help from whoever you can-other than Allah-if what you say is true!”
Should be easy.....GATHER THE ATHEISTS.
Go ahead and put that little stone in their shoe anyway. At some point along their journey, they will have to stop and contend with it, even if they pretend to dismiss it for the moment. I think a lot of Muslims are afraid when you cause them to doubt; they grew up being punished for asking questions, so they inherently react with denial and fear to the points you raise. They want to save face. And they know the high price they will pay if they leave Islam, or if anyone even thinks they have. I think most Muslims secretly carry doubts but are afraid to acknowledge them. I think a lot of Muslims also think that everyone around them is a stalwart believer, so when they find out that others also ask a lot of these good questions, they can relax a little bit and admit their own doubts, too. So yes, keep pointing out the issues.
@@formidablefaith569 Are you saying that the Quran is making a fallacious argument? That something being inimitable, especially a piece of literature, means that it is of divine origin?
Basically, the Quran is making the following argument:
P1. Necessarily, if something is inimitable, it is of divine origin.
P2. The Quran is inimitable.
C. Therefore, the Quran is of divine origin.
Premise 1 is clearly false. That is a horrible and illogical argument. Not the kind of reasoning that one would expect to see in the 'revelation of God'. This challenge itself is as strong evidence against Islam as you can get. The Quran refutes itself.
U stupid 😂@@AdamElmasriEnglish
Jesus did say that false prophets would come after him. Is this what they are talking about?
By their fruits you will know them.
Even jesus was a false messiah
@@TingTong2568prove it
@@cheeze7777 ask rabbi tovia singer
If there is no true prophet then he will not warn you from a false prophet sir or else he will just say there is no other prophet that will come.
It's fear of cancellation that people don't risk following social critics, as only 15% subscribed. The majority has the power. Either we join their groupthink, or get threatened
Do you think that subscriptions can lead to problems for subscribers? How and where? And if subscriptions are dangerous, what about occasional comsumption of the videos of this channel?
I think are other reasons why many visitors don't subscribe. E.g. I don't think that Muslims like to subscibe to this channel, but perhaps some of them will visit it occasionally. That should not be a problem, in fact it would be good, wouldn't it? Being a Christian, I subscibed. But I've got many (Christian) channels I like more. Other Christians may decide against subscribing. The same with Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, ... Why subscribe to a channel of a non-believer? And most non-believers don't care for religions / topics of faith.
A couple of more problematic verses:
Surah 6 14 tells us that Mohammed is the first to submit and yet the Quran teaches that Jesus' disciples were Muslims. If this is true then Mohammed was not the first to submit.
Surah 5 20 tells us Moses made kings out of the Israelites. This is opposite to what the Bible teaches. Moses warned the Israelites not to have kings. Kings did not come until long after Moses when the Israelites were descending into rebellion against God. Mohammed needed a new wristwatch as his was full of anachronisms.
Quran says that for every nations/people God sent their own prophets to guide them in their own language.
Thus there is always the first Muslim in every group.
Bible has not yet been accepted by the world as the standard of truth. Why?
Bible is full of errors, contradictions, inconsistencies, discrepancies.
To take it as the standard of truth is actually silly.
@@letmetalk2240 But your Quran says multiple times that the Torah and Injil are good revelation from Allah, that's Allah's words cannot be changed. So if that is so, as a muslim you should accept them. The Quran author seems to have problems accessing Bible texts, and was using often strange "class 2" resources instead. But muslims have not got that problem, and so logically if they believe Allah, they should study the Bible. For instance in the Bible there are 16 books by prophets, and many other prophets including great ones like Moses, Elijah, Elisha and Samuel mentioned in historical style narratives. The gospels are massively long and from the right century, compared with the skimpy accounts about Isa in the Quran, which use non-canonical material (and written 6 centuries later, somewhere in Arabia/Shams/Iraq).
@@collybever >>>>> But your Quran says multiple times that the Torah and Injil are good revelation from Allah,
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Yeah. The Torah and Injil given directly to Prophet Musa AS (Moses) and Prophet Isa AS (Jesus) respectively in the form of revelations. Not given to any Tom, Dick or Harry.
@@letmetalk2240where is the Chinese prophet?
The Quran who was revealed by Satan to a pedophile as the word of God and truth? Thats laughable, since the Quran contains historical errors, agnostic stories, and plagiarized previous scriptures not to mention the fact that there’s several Qurans that contradict one another.
@@letmetalk2240 to believe a man who liked having saxx with a 9 year old is your best moral example is not only silly it is downright stupid.
With a little bit of commonsense, one can understand that the Koran is a manmade book , edited as required and written according to the understanding of the world at that time.
Another well studied insight within and between illogical & discrepant verses that, I believe, are not easily discernible even to many Arab speaking Muslims.
Thank you for the clear, concise exposè.
In Islamic tradition, there is no explicit mention of Prophet Muhammad interacting with other prophets outside of the event of Isra and Miraj in terms of direct encounters. However, there are narratives in Islamic literature where Prophet Muhammad is believed to have conversed with other prophets and messengers in various spiritual contexts, such as during his nightly prayers or in visions. These encounters often serve to emphasize the continuity and unity of the prophetic message across different times and cultures. While such interactions may not be explicitly detailed in recorded accounts, they are acknowledged within the broader framework of Islamic belief in the interconnectedness of prophethood.
So your claim on God asking the previous Prophet’s of God if they were told to worship Allah SWT.
This isn’t god saying I told you I am god now confirm with the messengers. No it’s god saying Ask the Messengers if they were told to worship just me as the people on earth do differently (perhaps) people thought or even the messenger that God ultimately made different revelations for them which isn’t the case.
See… brother @zt8337 - the fact that we are deciphering the events and verses and that “perhaps” you used at the end of your comment, shows that “God” or whoever wrote that text, didn’t do a good job. Because, it is either illogical and makes no sense OR it is completely vague (if logical) and still makes no sense. Hence you used “perhaps” because even a believer doesn’t know for sure what it means. This is why early Muslim scholars tried many explanations and many “perhapses”
In that sense, the Quran is not crystal clear as it claims (عربي مبين), yet another illogical claim from the Quran’s author.
@@AdamElmasriEnglish Im sorry Adam this video was just you assuming that the prophet saw couldn’t interact with other prophets while there’s no Islamic Hadith or verse that states that he can’t.
Matter of fact is there are implications and acknowledged facts that he could through visions etc and even if that wasn’t the case the verse had to be viewed in a broader framework regarding timelines etc which you failed to present or perhaps do careful research on.
@@AdamElmasriEnglish Perhapsness came from me and not from the scholars it was just an idea on what the people might’ve thought. There’s many perhapses examples I can use outside Islam.
Your explanation is always so clear. I like your videos. I once heard Zakir Naik say that he does not understand 20% of the Quran. Can you make videos on this 20% that nobody understands.
Islam covers every aspect of life - including the fear that a wife may (perhaps) disobey her husband: Quran 4:34 reads, “As for those of your wives who you fear will be disloyal and disobedient, warn them (first), refuse to share their beds (second), and then beat them…” In his book “To Beat or Not to Beat”- page 544, the Islamic scholar Mahmoud writes, “They contended that the phrase “refuse to share their beds” is not about forbidding the performance of sex act (with the wife); but rather, it is a particular manner of the sex performance - the husband can have sex with his disobedient wife, but he should signal his indignation (anger) by not speaking to her during the (sex) act.”
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Of course, this is in accordance with Allah’s instructions to husbands as recorded in Quran 2:223: “Your wives are a tilth (cultivating field) unto you; so, approach (or plow) your tilth when and how you will…”
Beating & killing disobedient children in the Bible…Proverbs 23: 13 & 14; Proverbs 13:24; Proverbs 19:18; Matthew 15:4; Exodus 21:15 & 17; Leviticus 20:9; Deuteronomy 21:18 - 21
Beating servants and maids…Exodus 21:20 - 21
Interesting. I always entertained the idea that the "don't share their bed" part actually means "don't cohabit with them". Some translations use the word "cohabit" (Amhad Khan).
So it would mean that you degrade her temporally from being the second highest authority in the house (when your sons are still young) to slightly above the status of maids and slave girls. And that she might be forced to live with them in some shed or barn and not in your house and bed.
That seems to me a more logical punishment.
Another option that is also highlighted by some translations (Arberry) could be "to banish them to their couches". Which could basically mean to imprison her. This would also seem to be a more logical interpretation to me.
What I mean in general is that if I am a disobeying wife and this disgusting guy isn't approaching me in bed anymore like he wishes or isn't talking to me in bed anymore, I would celebrate!
So this wouldn't be a punishment at all and in my opinion it wouldn't fit between "warn them" and "beat them". The other two I mentioned would fit there.
@@ZeroCelsius777 either you are folly understand or don’t want to understand. The passage explains individually what is the consequence of cursed, punishment children, discipline for disobedience. Don’t twist the words to killing or beating.
Why don’t you explain what is the meaning of this passage, Sahih al-Bukhari 2925 Book 56, Hadith 138. Sunan Abu Dawud / Book 38, Hadith 4390. Surah At-Tawbah 9:5.
It’s actually quite simple. There were most likely other Jewish and Christian preachers around the time of the Prophet Muhammad (as history now reveals it was a very diverse milieu), whom God thus casually refers to as “messengers” (not necessarily in the sense of direct inspiration, but in the raw literal sense of ‘one who carries and conveys of the message’ [رسول]). Therefore, the Prophet is being told that he can go to these people of previous revelations and discover that indeed, the message of One God has always remained the same until now. This matches Sūrah 10:94, where the Prophet is told that he can go to people who are learned in the previous Scripture for clarification. And such surprising statements actually showcase that: 1) The Prophet did not author or pen the Qur’an himself, as this violates the ‘principle of embarrassment’; and 2) The Muslims did NOT attempt to remove or alter these passages despite the opportunity to do so, which demonstrates the remarkably high degree of integrity & preservation that the text bears.
Moreover, Sūrah 43:45 does not mean that the Prophet should have low confidence in the revelation he’s received - this is a false conclusion. Rather it is merely a rhetorical statement of the Qur’an to reinforce the point being made, such as when someone tells a friend: “Go ask the neighbors yourself! Trust me, they will tell you the same thing!” - or if we tell a fellow employee: “Ask all the employees before you! They can tell you how great this job is.” …It is not literally a call to go knock on the door of every single neighbor, or find the administration’s phone-book and call every single previous employee - no, rather it is simply a rhetorical statement to strengthen the argument, which the Qur’an often employs.
Finally, when the verse says “whom We SENT” (arsalnā) this can be understood in the passive tone of “letting go” or “permissively allowing to preach the message” rather than direct personal divine inspiration given to these regional preachers who were around at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (just like we now know they were even many such Jewish messengers/preachers roaming during the time of Jesus in ancient Judea & Palestine). And the evidence for this is in Sūrah 7:105 of the Qur’an, where Prophet Moses says to Pharaoh:
*”…I have come to you with clear evidence from your Lord, so let the Children of Israel go with me (فَأَرْسِلْ مَعِيَ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ)* ~ Qur’an 7:105
Here, the Arabic word for “let go” is exactly the same word used in Sūrah 43:45 for “sent” _(arsil/arsal)_ but it clearly means to passively let the Children of Israel go free, rather than actively dispatch them somewhere (since Pharaoh obviously wanted them to say and remain his slaves).
Likewise, we read Joseph’s brothers say in Sūrah 12:12 of the Qur’an:
*”Let him go with us (أَرْسِلْهُ مَعَنَا) tomorrow, that he may roam and play; we will take care of him.”* ~ Qur’an 12:12, Joseph
Here once again, the identical word for “send” in Sūrah 43:45 is used verbatim, but it is in the passive tone (‘let him go/allow him to come’) rather than an active command to actually send or deliver him somewhere. And so too can we understand the term in Sūrah 43:45 as a passive authorization, rather than a direct injunction.
So in the final analysis-putting aside all creedal commitments and sectarian dedications-we can simply understand the passage in Sūrah 43:45 to mean the following:
*_”’And you can even ask those before you whom We have allowed to roam among the various preachers of Our message - that have We truly ever set up other deities besides God to be worshipped?’_* ~ Qur’an 43:45
Your explanation is very good. Better than i can ever explain.
And also the first point he mentioned can be refuted. Because he said that Allah already mentioned in Surah Al Baqarah that you should only worship one God and there was no need to mention it in Surah Az Zukhruf but actually Surah Az Zukhruf was revealed before Surah Al Baqarah.
But for the second part of the video i dont know how to explain
appreciated man. Jazak Allah.
Prophet Muhammad whilr travelling to the heaven with Gabriel he met prophets like Musa(Moses),Ibrahim(Abraham), Isa(Jesus) peace be upon them and then this Surah revealed to Prophet s.a.w
You sound like a Quranit, they also interprete Quran like it fits to them but are not recoqnized by Sunni Muslims.
There is no such thing as revelations. There is no need for it. It's all myths.
Totally enjoying your content!! I love your composure when revealing these flaws!! Its Dignified and Diplomatic!!😊❤
Keep it up Adam
Sir, I suggest you use a decent condenser microphone for a better audio.
Al Lah knows best 😅
Prophet Muhammad whilr travelling to the heaven with Gabriel he met prophets like Musa(Moses),Ibrahim(Abraham), Isa(Jesus) peace be upon them and then this Surah revealed to Prophet s.a.w
@@Емтю ????
Or maybe he knows wrong...
Police be upon him
The Qur'an is written by People
It is obvious in the writing of it
How can God speak in a third party..
If I were God, I would speak directly to my prophet not saying
Allah is one Worship Him.. different from what how God communicated with the Israelites....
He would say, worship no other God but me.... I am the Lord..
So from the writing of the Qur'an you see directly it's is someone else talking about God... Not God himself... Unless the Qur'an is alive.. and is speaking about it's creator
In the quran when reading its sometimes the Narrator speaking for God or Muhammad speaking for God..and sometimes God speaking.. Thats what ive seen
@@PrimeSaber. the thing is, Muslims believes that the Qur'an is directly from God.... But when you read it from the outside you see it as it is. It is written by someone who is addressing people about God.. so it's not from God. And the fact that Muslims believes that is so sad.. I don blame them,they are under a spell of Lucifer and they can't escape from that unless per Individual is strong enough to go against the masses.
But the truth is, The Qur'an is not from God as Muslims are made to bliv.. it's Human writings made and indoctrinated into peoples minds as from God and not to be rejected as that.
They will not win because The truth always wins... God always wins. And those who lie to people and those who believe the lies will be destroyed. And Peace will reign on the earth
@@PrimeSaber. the thing is, Muslims believes that the Qur'an is directly from God.... But when you read it from the outside you see it as it is. It is written by someone who is addressing people about God.. so it's not from God. And the fact that Muslims believes that is so sad.. I don blame them,they are under a spell of Lucifer and they can't escape from that unless per Individual is strong enough to go against the masses.
But the truth is, The Qur'an is not from God as Muslims are made to bliv.. it's Human writings made and indoctrinated into peoples minds as from God and not to be rejected as that.
They will not win because The truth always wins... God always wins. And those who lie to people and those who believe the lies will be destroyed. And Peace will reign on the earth
It's so simple that a kid can understand it. The sentence "those of our messengers we sent before" is referred to the people of the book, so simply the prophet Mohammed pbuh was ordered to debate the people of the book about the oneness of god, and not for the sake of interrogation and seeking for answer, because Allah already clarified that. It was an averment and an establishment of the argument to those non believers.
Did you watch the video?
Did you see why that explanation is not as simple, and it caused trouble to early Muslim scholars?
@@AdamElmasriEnglish I just clarified that from the explanation of the new scholars, doesn't it look logical to you ?
@@mouhammedbrik3471 idiots can't understand basic logic.
@@mouhammedbrik3471 new achievement unlocked - Olympus Retardus
This verse isn't directly instructing Prophet PBUH to ask every single messenger who ever lived. When God says, "Ask the messengers" he's saying to refer to the teachings of the books sent to them and their teachings. In other words, discover the book given to the Prophets and the Sunnah.
So 'ask the messengers' = 'read their books'? 🤣Words in Islam can mean whatever you want them to mean!
Muslims: Qur’an is error-free. It’s all true.
Me: My cow lays a golden egg.
0h, give me this cow please !
@@wolfgangreinhart2325 Did you get the Cow?
This is what they sent me, a lamb.
Some days having passed, Jesus having in spirit perceived the desire of the priests, ascended the Mount of Olives to pray. And having passed the whole night in prayer, in the morning Jesus praying said: 'O Lord, I know that the scribes hate me, and the priests are minded to kill me, thy servant; therefore, Lord God almighty and merciful, in mercy hear the prayers of thy servant, and save me from their snares, for thou art my salvation. Thou knowest, Lord, that I thy servant seek thee alone, O Lord, and speak thy word; for thy word is truth, which endureth for ever.'
When Jesus had spoken these words, behold there came to him the angel Gabriel, saying: 'Fear not, O Jesus, for a thousand thousand who dwell above the heaven guard thy garments, and thou shalt not die till everything be fulfilled, and the world shall be near its end.'
Jesus fell with his face to the ground, saying: 'O great Lord God, how great is thy mercy upon me, and what shall I give thee, Lord, for all that thou hast granted me?'
The angel Gabriel answered: 'Arise, Jesus, and remember Abraham, who being willing to make sacrifice to God of his only-begotten son Ishmael, to fulfill the word of God, and the knife not being able to cut his son, at my word offered in sacrifice a sheep. Even so therefore shalt thou do, O Jesus, servant of God.
Jesus answered: 'Willingly, but where shall I find the lamb, seeing I have no money, and it is not lawful to steal it?'
Thereupon the angel Gabriel showed unto him a sheep, which Jesus offered in sacrifice, praising and blessing God, who is glorious for ever.
@@youtubeaccount57721 that is crazy, how can a cow can’t lay an egg, but a man can become god, because it’s a mystery.
The soldiers took Judas ;and bound him, not without derision. For he truthfully denied that he was Jesus; and the soldiers, mocking him, said: 'Sir, fear not, for we are come to make you king of Israel, and we have bound you because we know that you do refuse the kingdom.' Judas answered: 'Now have you lost your senses! You are come to take Jesus of Nazareth;, with arms and lanterns as [against] a robber; and you have bound me that have guided you, to make me king!'
Then the soldiers lost their patience, and with blows and kicks they began to flout Judas, and they led him with fury into Jerusalem. John ;and Peter ;followed the soldiers afar off; and they affirmed to him who writes that they saw all the examination that was made of Judas by the high priest, and by the council of the Pharisees, who were assembled to put Jesus to death. Whereupon Judas spoke many words of madness, insomuch that every one was filled with laughter, believing that he was really Jesus, and that for fear of death he was feigning madness. Whereupon the scribes bound his eyes with a bandage, and mocking him said: 'Jesus, prophet of the Nazarenes ;(for so they called them who believed in Jesus), 'tell us, who was it that smote you?' And they buffeted him and spat in his face.
When it was morning there assembled the great council of scribes and elders of the people; and the high priest with the Pharisees sought false witness against Judas, believing him to be Jesus: and they found not that which they sought. And why say I that the chief priests believed Judas to be Jesus? No all the disciples, with him who writes, believed it; and more, the poor Virgin mother of Jesus, with his kinsfolk and friends, believed it, insomuch that the sorrow of every one was incredible.
As God lives, he who writes forgot all that Jesus had said: how that he should be taken up from the world, and that he should suffer in a third person, and that he should not die until near the end of the world. Wherefore he went with the mother of Jesus and with John to the cross. The high priest caused Judas ;to be brought before him bound, and asked him of his disciples and his doctrine. Whereupon Judas, as though beside himself, answered nothing to the point. The high priest then adjured him by the living God of Israel that he would tell him the truth.
Bro, let me clear one misunderstanding here, u actually failed to refute the muslim argument "the isra journey" ur argument doesn't make sense? If surah isra is surah number 17 and surah zukhruf is surah number 43, how does that confirms that surah zukhruf was revealed later on? The first revelation in cave of hira is in chapter 96 of Quran not in first chapter... The order of the surah is Quran DOES NOT tell us about the order of the surahs revealed, verse 3 of surah maida (surah 5) was also revealed in the last days of the prophet's life, but its still in surah 5, instead of being in one of the last surah of Quran, So this argument is non sense to say that surah isra was surah 17 and surah zukhruf was surah 43 so it means isra journey was before surah zukhruf was ha.
Further proof:
Surah isra and surah zukhruf are both makki surahs, which means both of these surah were revealed in makkah and isra journey was also in makkah so there is still possibility that both these surah were revealed at the same time around, the "illogical verse" you are quoting can still be on the night journey. U didnt refuted the "illogical verse" still clearly.
secondly, 7:11 whaaat? mushaf usman manipulated and changed the verse from the original mushaf abdullah? i mean whaat? who told u mushaf Abudullah is the original manuscript of the Quran, mushaf usman was written by the copy that Hafsa (ra) had, that was original manuscript of the Quran, not what Abduallah bin masud had. how can u say abdullah bin masud had the original manuscript of the Quran?
Now as u said in ur video that its the truth u need to look for...then i expect u to TELL YOUR PEOPLE ABOUT THIS THAT I TOLD YOU, THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE OR DIDN'T REFUTED THIS POINT CLEARLY, IF YOU ARE ALSO A "TRUTH SEEKER" OR "TRUTHFUL PERSON" !!
You are exactly what he described,thanks for exposing your lack of understanding.
You are exactly what he described,thanks for exposing your lack of understanding.
@@Dr.antony1 actually this dude has much lack of understanding of Quran rather than me, if the Quran says to ask the prophets (in the so called illogical verse) then this is referring to their teachings rather than physically and literally ask them. this style of talking is used in Quran other places as well, for example in surah nisa verse 59 Allah says that if you disagree with the ruler then refer to Allah and his messenger. now we all know wut this verse means, it does not mean that u literally go to the seven heavens and refer ur problem to Allah, rather u consider his holy book and when it says refer to messenger, it does mean that u now start questioining that the messenger is dead how are we suppose to refer to him? its conmmon sense that u refer to hadith. same case is with the verse of surah zukhruf he mentioned in his video, u refer to the teachings of old prophet like in deuteronomy 6:4 it says god is one and the gospels also claim that jesus taught monotheism. this is what Allah means by refereing to the prophets. now think again who has lack of understand, me or this so called islam expert in this vidoe, its not me who found this verse illogical but its him who found it illogical, so its him who has lack of understanding of Quranic verses, not me
There are many statements in the quaran that seem illogical or are of no relevance to anything. For example.
Surah 33:53
O believers! Do not enter the homes of the Prophet without permission ˹and if invited˺ for a meal, do not ˹come too early and˺ linger until the meal is ready. But if you are invited, then enter ˹on time˺. Once you have eaten, then go on your way, and do not stay for casual talk. Such behaviour is truly annoying to the Prophet, yet he is too shy to ask you to leave. But Allah is never shy of the truth. And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and theirs. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah.
(What relevance does this have for mankind and why is it necessary for the whole of mankind to know this?? )
Surah 41:11
Then He turned towards the heaven when it was still like smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly.
(Firstly why is GOD asking the heavens & Earth to Submit and then saying they have no choice in the matter?? How can the Earth and Heavens submit to GOD?? and how exactly did the Earth and the heavens respond. Did the Earth speak??)
Surah 49:2
O believers! Do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak loudly to him as you do to one another, or your deeds will become void while you are unaware.
( What relevance does this have for anybody, why is it necessary for the whole of mankind to know this. )
Surah 67:3
He is the One Who created seven heavens, one above the other. You will never see any imperfection in the creation of the Most Compassionate. So look again: do you see any flaws?
( Well yes there are actually many flaws in the world. We are clearly not living in a perfect world )
Surah 68:2
By the grace of your Lord, you ˹O Prophet˺ are not insane.
(Why is it necessary for GOD to reassure a prophet of GOD that he is not insane. It makes no sense.)
Surah 97
Indeed, ˹It is˺ We ˹Who˺ sent this ˹Quran˺ down on the Night of Glory.
And what will make you realize what the Night of Glory is?
The Night of Glory is better than a thousand months.
That night the angels and the ˹holy˺ spirit descend, by the permission of their Lord, for every ˹decreed˺ matter.
It is all peace until the break of dawn.
( This just seems gibberish to me and what does "Better than a thousand months" mean?? )
Surah 105
Have you not seen ˹O Prophet˺ how your Lord dealt with the Army of the Elephant?
For He sent against them flocks of birds,
that pelted them with stones of baked clay,
leaving them like chewed up straw.
( There is no context given as to what the purpose of this revelation is. Who are the Army of the Elephant?? What did this Army do to deserve this punishment?? How is anyone alive today supoose to know what this is referring to or what relevance it has?? )
12th here. Keep doing the good job brother. ❤
Appreciate it!
. واسأل الذين أرسلنا إليهم قبلك رسلنا " ، ومعنى الأمر بالسؤال التقرير لمشركي قريش أنه لم يأت رسول ولا كتاب بعبادة غير الله - عز وجل
Very easy explanation from Tafsir Baghawi
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's illogical
Thanks a lot for your videos, Adam. By fighting against ignorance and indoctrination, you're doing God's work... If I may say so!
Honestly I don't see the issue. I have never found it problematic. It is an obvious rhetorical question. Both who he is being told to ask and what he is being told to ask. It is just emphasizing that all the of course God didn't send any Prophet with the command to take other gods to be worshipped! Duh! ... Or do you really think he was being commanded to do that by God? ... Or if you think Muhammad invented the Qur'an, that he put that verse in as anything but rhetoric?
When argue that a clever person is being ridiculously stupid you better make sure of it. Usually, it just makes the accuser look stupid for trying to "catch out" the clever person with something the latter didn't mean and which just went over the accuser's head.
Sorry, but very poor
Yet again, hey ... it's just extra content for you, right?
How is a a rhetorical question, when the verse starts with fi3al 'amr, it is a command
@@nicco-sixty
How does the set up for rhetorical question prevent it from being a rhetorical question? Divide the grammar however you want, the verse is clearly rhetorical. Because there is clearly only one answer; no!
And it is brilliantly rhetorical at that, because it takes in all previous Messengers in its answer, the obvious and only possible answer, of "no"
It is 100% rhetorical.
To not see that is to be as stupid as the mufasireen were, or to have too much time on your hands, as they did, and nothing to do but peck at such minor things (or else have no better arguments) so as to waste your time on it and lower the regard thinking intellectual people would have for you and your ability and/or objectivity
@@QuranicIslam I take it you are Qur'an-only?
@@nicco-sixty
No, "Qur'an First" or "Qur'an Centric". Which is how it should be. It is the most attested thing we have
@@QuranicIslamit’s hard to be “Quran-centric” because you need the Sunnah to understand the historical background of Quranic verses. Such as Zayd, Abu Lahab, etc. whom Quran mentions but you have no idea who they are. Interestingly, you have no idea who or what Muhammad is if you base it on the Quran since it’s only used 4 times and as a title- for example it says in Surah 3:144 that all the messengers before Muhammad died. However supposedly Jesus didn’t die, so that means the ayah is an error if it’s talking about a prophet after Jesus. Yet we see the same phrasing is used for the Messiah in surah 5:75
In Islamic tradition, there is no explicit mention of Prophet Muhammad interacting with other prophets outside of the event of Isra and Miraj in terms of direct encounters. However, there are narratives in Islamic literature where Prophet Muhammad is believed to have conversed with other prophets and messengers in various spiritual contexts, such as during his nightly prayers or in visions. These encounters often serve to emphasize the continuity and unity of the prophetic message across different times and cultures. While such interactions may not be explicitly detailed in recorded accounts, they are acknowledged within the broader framework of Islamic belief in the interconnectedness of prophethood.
So your claim on God asking the previous Prophet’s of God if they were told to worship Allah SWT.
This isn’t god saying I told you I am god now confirm with the messengers. No it’s god saying Ask the Messengers if they were told to worship just me as the people on earth do differently (perhaps) people thought or even the messenger that God ultimately made different revelations for them which isn’t the case.
When you promote critical thinking promote it right.
That's well said
Satan is every where , we must keep going
These people don't think , they just want to criticize that's all
@@adios6016 exactly brother these people keep on trying to attack but wil fail eventually we will find them and expose them intellectually!
Hypocrisy.. Why do I say that?..well most(if not all) muslims deny that Saint paul met Jesus on his way to prosecute early Christian groups..paul met Jesus in a spiritual way..so if you're saying muhammad met the other prophets before him then you should understand that paul also met Jesus..
What an amazing channel !! More power to you !!
Thank you so much!
Hi Adam ,I put this verse along with a summary of your commentary for Müslïms to comment on another channel , and they went on a
face saving mode by inserting the words "followers of" the prophets 😂😂😂😂
It’s exactly what I said at the start of the video… they will take a copy and paste answer because that’s what they were given over and over again!
Thanks for sharing 🙏
Hey Adam
You do make a lot of sense. From my Christian point of view,.no evidence for anything that muhammad received only his word. It's pretty evident that it's a mixed up book.
I have to trust the historical evidence for Christ.
Nothing new I am saying. No one can refute Jesus lived, His execution, even His resurrection was witnessed by many.
Now for me and as many great apologists, theologians, authors etc have said.
Either Jeaus was who he claimed to be (God) or he was a complete lunatic or worse.
To just claim like muslims (the quran) he was a wise prophet etc, is utter nonsense.
It is either true or false, the evidence indicates yes He was actually God in human form, regardless how foolish that may seem.
Love God with all your heart, soul and mind, then love others as yourself. Now I don't think there is any way it could express peace better than those words
Yes there are some harsh lessons and sayings in the bible, I think you mentioned somewhere about how peaceful the message was spread (mainly)
In the end,.the New Testament is the most important book (s) ever written down.
Believe or don't believe, God has left that choice to everyone.
Sadly many have missed the true love of Christ
1. The verse isn’t necessarily literal. There’s a lot of poetry and exaggeration in the Quran. It’s possible that God doesn’t literally command the prophet to go and physically ask the prophets, rather, it for the prophet and his companions to ponder whether or not appointing Gods besides Allah is something Allah would really do. Just like if I were to tell you “the president would never attack Iraq just for oil, you could ask Saddam Hussein himself!!” I’m not literally telling you to go ask him because I know that would be nearly impossible, but im telling you to reconsider.
2. Even if God was literally commanding Muhammad to ask the prophets before him, Muhammad met other prophets including Jesus (who is well known in Islam as a person who people associated as a son to God) on a miraculous journey. It’s possible he could have been able to ask him and other prophets on this journey. I’m aware that this story comes before the verse in question, however, the verses were compiled by the sahaba and they weren’t necessarily written in the order in which they were revealed. You must also acknowledge the possibility that the verse was revealed to muhammad before he went on that journey, yet the sahaba compiled and wrote it in a different order.
3. I’ve outlined all these alternate possibilities for you and as logic follows.. If you make a certain active claim that you make to be 100% true, the second I outline an alternate possibility, it makes your claim uncertain, and not 100% true. But I commend you for your skepticism and critical thought.
The verse starts with f3al 'amr, it is litterally commanding Muhammad to ask the previous prophets
Ex Muslim here thank you for the good debunking of the Quran
@@hamodalbatal464 me too, praying 5 times a day, what a drag, Jesus died for me , please help me was it Jesus or Judas who died?
thank you for your critical thinking, however I still feel as if this surah is not illogical, mainly because the quran isnt written in the order of the revelations, surah az zukhruf was actually revealed earlier than surah al baqarah was and we dont know how communication between Mohammed (pbuh) and Allah (swt) took place, maybe he was really given the opportunity to ask the other prophets and its just beyond of what we can understand. Indeed its truly not your eyes that are blind, its your heart. Please dont ignore this comment and please prove me wrong if you can, since I am surely not all knowing and want to know more.
Thank you for your comment, honesty and respect.
Your words “..maybe he was really given the opportunity to ask the other prophets and it’s just beyond of what we can understand” - here are my thoughts around this:
1- The Quran is supposed to be a clear message for humanity that we can understand. If we accept something as true, just because - maybe - it’s beyond our understanding, that would open the door to accept anything we cannot verify as truth. We will continue to say “maybe we don’t understand”.
Well, if we cannot understand a message and verify news that were intended for humanity at large, then may be we shouldn’t blindly trust it!
2- As I mentioned, the verse was found to be problematic since early time. Even the earliest Muslim scholars found it to be nonsensical and tried to come up with many explanations. That is something not to be ignored!
3- Surat Al-Baqara’s timing is not really of a strong relevance to the argument. It was merely a side point (to support all other evidences presented in the video). But really, it is Surat Al-Israa (specifically the verses concerning the story of the Israa journey) and Surat Al-Zukhruf’s timing that matter to the argument. The timing of these two have been verified and the israa journey - allegedly- took place before Surat Al-Zukhruf.
Quran chapter 61 verse 8. They want to extinguish the light of God by uttering blasphemies. But God wills to perfect His light, however the unbelievers may dislike it.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
He is showing that allah is making a foolish request to child abuser Prophet Muhammad my dear. Answer thay
Islamic studies website have explained what this means and that to look what the message other Messengers brought.
If you check the current translation, it matches with the ibn masud in the sense that it means "ask those".
That is quite an interesting double bind you mentioned Adam. It’s great that you also mention the possible responses.
Interesting enough, if we dare to just read one verse more, we see that Allah himself answers the question for Mohammed and then tells the story of Moses and Jesus and how he revealed them the message about his uniqueness. Given that, it is not rational at all to take the verse literal.
"Ask the messengers that We already sent before you if We ˹ever˺ appointed ˹other˺ gods to be worshipped besides the Most Compassionate."
(43:45)
"Indeed, We sent Moses with Our signs to Pharaoh and his chiefs, and he said: “I am a messenger of the Lord of all worlds.”
(43:46)
Keep reading until 43:64 and you see Allah telling the entire story.
This argument only works if you take the verse out of context.
Also: Muhammed will meet all the prophets again on the day of judgement and in paradise. He is free to ask whatever he wills.
Claiming that Allah commands Muhammed to ask the prophets in his lifetime to confirm his oneness is not just completely dismissing the context, but also goes against central teachings of islam. (There is no need for a Allahs teachings to be confirmed any humans)
Beautifully explained. The truth is guiding you.
Glad you think so!
I just researched what you said and I've got an important note, first of all, you can't say that a whole chapter was revealed before or after an event such as the journy of israa and al-miraaj, this exposed to me your ignorance about the holy Quran.
How could you criticise the quran while you don't even know that the verses in the Quran were not revealed in order!? Let alone entire Surahs
Thank you for your comment and notes!
I am well aware of what you mentioned, however, for your knowledge, if you look up the order of revelation of any Sura, you will find that the majority of a Sura is usually revealed around the same time with some verses being the exception.
That said, when a good chunk of a Sura that talks about a single topic is written/revealed (e.g israa journey), that chunk of verses all belongs to the same time slot.
My argument wasn’t as ignorant as you think. I urge you to go and check the revelation times of the specific two items (verses/chunks of Sura) mentioned in my video and verify that for yourself.
Bottom line, the israa journey took place prior to the time of Surat Az-Zukhruf (the specific problematic verse)
@@AdamElmasriEnglish when was it exactly revealed then ? According to several sources it was revealed in last few years prior to the hijrah and the israa wa al-miraaj happened around that same time ( scholars suggested it was one year before the hijrah ) so the verse and the journy happened around the same time
It reminds me of the verse " do the non believers not see that the heavens and the earth were one entity and we (Allah) separated them" No, I think they didn't see 😂😂
The word “yara” doesn’t only mean ‘to see’ in the purely physical sense, but also rhetorically as in ‘to realize’ or ‘to consider’. That’s why even in English we can say - “I see your point”.
So before you laugh, it’s important to learn a bit about the language you’re dealing with, lest the laughter boomerangs right back to your face…
@@celestialknight2339 Yeah and if you read the verse you will realize that, whatever meaning you give to the word "yarra" still doesn't make the the verse logical. No the non believers didn't REALIZE, that the earth and the heavens were one part and God separated them. How would they REALIZE that, also because that didn't happen.
@@celestialknight2339Allah couldn’t decide if the universe was made in 6 or 8 days it doesn’t matter what yara means he is stupid 😂
@@adamyaser7136 It is asking them to realize that fact, and to consider it deeply. Because it did indeed happen - and it’s called the _Big Bang._
@@adamyaser7136of course non believers realise that as there’s no alternative to why the Big Bang happened is there 😂
Being in denial isn’t an argument.
Regarding forging, I was reminded of S 10:37 "And *this* quran was not to be fabricated *instead of Allah..."* Only Allah could fabricate that particular quran?
The Arabic language is a reasonably flexible language and a single word cannot always be pigeonholed into a single meaning. Regarding the word ‘to forge’ (yuftarā’) - it can indeed mean to forge, but also more generally means ‘to devise’ or ‘to make up’. Even in English, I can say “Okay class, now get out your pencils and make up your own poems.” - I am not asking the students to fabricate in the sense of deception, but to use their creativity to generate a poem.
Likewise, I can say “You just made that story up!” to confront someone of their lie. So using the exact same phrase, we see it can have a radically different meaning depending on context. This is why the word “makeup” in English means the beauty products used by woman - we are not accusing them of forging anything; it’s just how language developed. And even the term “fabrication” itself can also refer to the skilled trade that involves assembling parts into products.
So how can you possibly ignore & turn willfully blind to such clear-cut diversity of semantics within the English language, yet refuse to afford the same flexibility to the Classical Arabic tongue, let alone in a highly poetic and rhetorical book (the Qur’an)? Let’s do better than that.
@@celestialknight2339 My post, Fabrication
S 10:37 And this quran was not to be fabricated instead of Allah but is a confirmation of that in front of it and an analysis of the Book. There is no doubt concerning it, from the lord of the ‘alamin.
S 10:38 Or do they say: He has fabricated it? Say: Bring a surah the like of it and invoke whom you can instead of Allah if you are truthful.
S 11:13 Or they say: He has fabricated it. Say: Then bring ten surahs the like of it, fabricated, and invoke whom you can instead of Allah if you are truthful.
S 11:35 Or do they say: He has fabricated it? Say: If I have fabricated it then upon me is my guilt and I am innocent of what you incriminate.
S 21:5 Rather, they have said: Medleys of dreams. Rather, he has fabricated it. Rather, he is a poet. So let him bring us a sign as was sent the first ones.
S 25:4 And those who have disbelieved have said: This is nothing but vilification. He has fabricated it and other people have helped him. But they have come as a wrong and an untruth.
S 32:3 Or do they say: He has fabricated it? Rather, it is the truth from your lord that you may warn a people whom no nadhir has come to before you; perhaps they will be guided.
S 46:8 Or they say: He has fabricated it. Say: If I have fabricated it then you are not able for me against Allah at all. He is a knower of what you pour out concerning it. Sufficient was he as a witness between me and you and he is the forgiver, the merciful.
The author was accused of fabricating his work but it would seem that the author was saying that only Allah could fabricate it.
iftara. افترى Definition from a dictionary:
to make up, to fabricate, to invent افترى - Wiktionary
The Christian Prince is well versed in Arabic
Thanks for the video.
Seriously this is the best example of “Not the eyes that are blind but the heart”. We muslim read the surah that the video maker mention yet Alhamdulillah we understand the true meaning. Meanwhile the video maker made assumptions by himself, ofcourse its his video. For all non muslim who read my comments, don’t immediately believe him. Never stop educate yourself, check by yourself, reading Al Quran by yourself words by words. If you don’t understand ask your muslim friend or seikh not ex muslim, because the answer will 100% wrong.
I agree, the issue is he can speak Arabic so, non muslim will be attracted to him...
Because even early SCHOLARS are confused with that verse meaning.... and now you laymen act like you are better than Imam Ibn Katsir, Imam Qurtubi, and other GREAT Imam?
This's utterly shallow, desperate & futile way to discredit a universal Qur'an & Islam.
When this verse or the whole Qur'an was revealed, there were both Jewish & Christian scholars in Mecca, Medina & elsewhere in Hijaz & the Levant. In fact the first man who informed prophet Muhammad of his impending prophethood & being a Messenger was none other than the cousin of his first wife Kadijah who was a Christian. So prophet Muhammad's brother-in-law knew the message of Jesus, and so were many other Jewish & Christian scholars. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a chosen human, so Allah was telling him "go and ask Christian & Jewish scholars as a witness". This verse & others also apply to all Muslims & non-Muslims. Today, we're finding the proofs from all over the world on the internet and this's the reason Islam is the fastest growing religion which will soon become the largest religion in the whole world.
Chapter 6, verse 20 in the Qur'an translates as: the Christian and Jewish scholars recognize you o Muhammad that you're a prophet and messenger of Allah, the same way that they recognize their sons".
And yet, Chapter 16, verse 43 proofs further. Basically, God treats his prophets & their would be followers as humans.
Moses asked God to show himself face to face, but then God told him "your eyes & human ability" wouldn't survive seeing me, but I'll show myself to that mountain. And when God exposed himself to the mountain, it was flattened with big boom but Moses fainted bcs of that event. When Moses woke up, he repented to God.
Basically God knows human instincts and abilities very well.
Another verse in the Qur'an translates to: if the earth was inhabited by Angels instead of humans, then God would have chosen a Messenger among them.
Grow up people. Forget about Islamophobia & the media that mislead. Pickup or order your free copy of Qur'an and read it yourself.
You don't need to know much about Islamic history early on per its own sources to realize this was a very human thing with little of the divine about it except its pretensions. Muhammad died unexpectedly without naming a successor (caliph) So much for Allah being the best of planners when he didn't even make provision for this basic thing. And what happened next was outrageous - the civil wars among the successors! Bloodthirsty and mindless affairs among those who were the so called companions of the prophet. Caliphs assassinated one after the other, Mecca and the Kaaba attacked and bombed by catapults. Murder and mayhem that went on and on. Even Muhammad's close relatives killed. Uthman the caliph who burnt all the original Korans and then compiled a new one from dubious sources was murdered - by rival Muslims before he had time to murder them! What does it all remind you of -gangster warfare or "Game of thrones' scenario. Everything in early Islam boils down to battles, caravan raids, taking loot and slaves. The Islamic heroes are all sword slashers and cut throats. Imagine for one minute if this had been the scenario following the death of Jesus. Apostle fighting apostle, disciple murdering disciple. Paul gathering a huge army and attacking Peter and John. Peter responding by assassinating his rivals. Yet in Islam we are expected to accept all this murder and mayhem as part of divine plan. Don't take us for fools!
Said well brother
May Allah Bless you 👌
@@kaloarepo288Muhammad SAW died without appointing a Caliph maybe that’s what needed to happen for Islam to thrive you don’t know what god’s plan is my friend even in today’s world the worst thing that can happen to you might even be the best thing.
Don't take us for fools my friend! Don't take us for fools! Just go away you arguments are so cringeworthy i would be ashamed even to make them in the first place! Don't take us for fools and idiots!@@zt8337
Did you watch the video or are you just spouting nonsense.
Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all in it 7:42
Wonderful work Brother
Here is the fact and answer of this man's argument and it is not a mistake
How could the Prophet (PBUH) question the dead messengers? Doubt may arise in this.
But 'Ask the messengers!' It should be understood in terms of "seek in the teachings brought by the messengers".Another verse in the Holy Quran is a proof. Verse 4:59 of the Holy Qur'an says, "If you doubted, take it to Allah and His Messenger."Allah says. Here take to Allah can have no other meaning than deal with Allah's scriptures(qur'an).Similarly, take it to the Messenger of Allah, if you can take it to the Prophet (peace be upon him) while he was alive.No issue can be transferred to them after their death. It is meant to be aligned with their guidance(hadheeth).This verse should be understood in the same way. This is further confirmed by the fact that the Holy Qur'an says in many places that the dead do not hear or answer.
الخطا الأول التي قلته لا يعتبر خطأ في الحقيقة فهو عبارة عن استعارة مكنية او تصريحية (نسيت قواعد البلاغة😂) غرضها التأكيد 😊
'Problematic' is an overdramatization.
The quraan was revealed in the Arab tongue -> that is the spoken Arab language.
In the spoken language, when someone says: "If you don't believe it, ask him!"
Does NOT mean that you HAVE to literally go and ask, for example, if the person is standing right there, and they did not object to the statement.
Alternatively, the statement can be asserted if there's an account of the person saying something, and that would also be accepted in a court, so you also don't need to ask the person in question.
In other occasions in the Quraan, God mentions what He told the prophets before to tell their people. And that's the written account on their behalf.
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اهلا انا مصري من اصل مسلم ينفع اتناقش معاك (انا لاديني )❤
طب هنتناقش ف ايه لما انت لاديني اصلاً 😊
لا كنت عاوز اسال حضرتك في سؤال انت كنت بتكلم عن المعوذتين وابن مسعود وكنت حضرتك جبت حديث شبه المعوذتين وقلت أنه لو اضفنا قل هتبقى معوذه تالته بس انا مش فاكر حضرتك قولت ده فين ممكن الحديث بعد اذنك ❤@@AdamElmasriEnglish
Another reason the verse was not a command in the literal sense to go ask the Prophets..when I tell you something you don’t believe I tell you to go ask so and so if you don’t believe it…this is Allah the creator of the heavens and the earth ..are you not gonna believe him and go ask the Prophets if it’s true?
ask those prophets who came before you ; it literally is for not muhammad its for disbelivers [ use torah and injeel which was bestowed upon prophets before muhammad ] well nice try
also muhammad cant read or write and u compare surah 43 [1] verse to other surah ; compare whole surah when u have time
and also thanks i always comfirm it and i never found an error and i never found 2 copies of quran in 20 years
Good video, but please keep it short, or add time stamps so we can get to the point.
Action starts at 2:38
Noted! Thanks for the tip!
thanks
And ask those We sent before you of Our messengers .... does not mean to ask the messengers, rather it means to refer to the books these messengers were given. For example, in sura Nisaa ayah 59, Allah says "O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day". Here "refer it to Allah and the messenger" does not mean referring literally to Allah and his messenger but rather referring to the Book of Allah (ie The Quran) and the Sunnah of the Prophet.
The other point I would like to make is this. Are you more knowledgeable in Arabic than the Arabs during the time of the Prophet? Do you know more about the Torah than the Jews of Madina during the time of the Prophet? Surprisingly neither the Arabs nor the Jews at that time raised any issue on the meaning of this ayat. They understood this ayat perfectly.
Thank you
You're welcome
i’m not convinced so strongly like you that this is a mistake. Obviously it must’ve made sense to the people at the time because otherwise the profit would have realized it made no sense and perhaps modified it through abrogation or something like that so there must’ve been an understood meaning. Perhaps it is a form of expression or a rhetorical way of asking. It seems like a very small issue to me if anything. another possible meeting for messengers could be the angels also. And obviously the prophet has access to angels if islam is true and he could’ve asked Gabriel and anyone else.
A Qiraat:
"And ask those to whom We sent Our messengers before you.”
The meaning of the command to ask is to inform the polytheists of Quraysh that no messenger or book came to worship anyone other than God - the Almighty.
Very easy explanation from Tafsir Baghawi
his misunderstanding is just illogical
Great vídeo and content.
The Quran was reveal in bit by bit. Some of verse came before the others
Agreed.
But I talked specifically about the parts of Sura that I’m concerned about!
And some are so obviously made up that an intelligent person should doubt the whole Qaran.
Imagine what errors we would find in the original if we had it.
None, because we currently do possess the original and it has no errors - just lots of angry people who wish to combat the truth with false arguments.
If the Qur’an was somehow radically changed for theological or political purpose, it is not the book we would expect it to be. The criticisms of the Prophet Muhammad would have been removed; the ambiguous references to Baka would have been changed to Mecca; the enigmatic verses that caused scholars to dispute would have been altered to emerge the meaning they wanted; and as even atheist Qur’anic scholars like Nicolai Sinai have noted, we would expect the Qur’an to have explicitly territorial dominion verses added to it that mentioned Persia, Rome, Jerusalem, and other places that belonged to the Muslims’ ownership - and yet no such statements exist.
The Qur’an is very much well-intact. But you guys can just keep on denying the truth until Judgement Day arrives :) Just wait. We too are waiting.
@@celestialknight2339 we don't have the original.
@@celestialknight2339link to original
We don't actually. The original copies were lost along with verses long time ago. Also people today follow hadith more than the quran so technically the word of god has been corrupted.@@celestialknight2339
According to Dr Jay Smith only 6 pages of the original texts exist today
Elmasri, I am afraid that you failed to grasped the true meaning of the verse that you first quoted. It is indeed true that Quran clearly and emphatically teaches that there is only one God, that is Allah, and there's no other god beside Him.
The verse that tells prophet Muhammad to ask his people to make an enquiry and find out as to whether the previous prophets taught about the plurality of gods was a general appeal to the people of prophet Muhammad's time, even though the address is directed to prophet Muhammad as he was the divine recipient of the revelation. It was an address to the disbelievers that they should search and find out, and that they will come to know that the teachings of prophet Muhammad to the effect that there's only one God, was the same teachings taught by the previous prophets who preceded him and that what prophet Muhammad was teaching was nothing new.
I am afraid that you failed woefully to understand this simple statements and ended up by saying that it is illogical. It is not illogical at all; the blame squarely lies on you because you failed to grasped the true import of this simple statements. Thus it is so, because all the so called research that you are undertaking is being done with a biased mindset and so when you come across any verse of the holy Quran, you don't take your time to understand it with unbiased mind and so you end up making such serious blunders. All the so called research and criticism that you have been leveling against the holy Quran are full of blunders, it is only the uninformed so called Muslim scholars that you can frighten them with such rheotorics. I am not one of such people and I want to state here again clearly, that your criticism against the holy Quran is full of blunders without any merit.
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My understanding is that Quran is Waraqah ibn Nawal the Zoroaster monk who created and wrote the book included verses of Muhammad rules. This book was mainly to support Muhammad's goals became the most powerful man on earth and heaven. The power on earth subjected to surpass King Solomon and in Heaven to surpass Jesus. 😃😃The written book was turned into traditional MEMORIZEN LANGUAGE in regard to apply those in the illiterate communities.
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Just read few verse before and after it to gain context.
The setting of 43:45 were talking about day of judgement, so of course every single person would be present that day.
Allah knows best
Good job brother
Thanks
That's very interesting.
I can see how the night journey has the irreconcilable problem of time lapse
I can also see how trying to reconcile this verse using the other verse which replaced 'prophets' with 'alhal al kitab' can be deeply problematic as it will invariably mean there were indeed many versions of the Quran
There is definitely no way out without running into problems specially when one uses Qu'ran to Qu'ran tafsir
However, if one use opinion to Qu'ran tafsir and say that the verse mean consult the teaching, readings or context of what written in the previous book,one would still run into deep issues -
As this would simply means the Qu'ran is not mobeen as its alledged.
"Go and ask previous prophet or previous generations have been mentioned in many verses of the Quraan. Allah is not COMMANDING Muhammad to actually go and ask them. It is A WAY SAYING, a style of the language through which Allah has beautifully described what has come before Muhammad. Just because you don't speak the same way or do not appreciate the beauty of literature, doesn't make it illogical. Allah has designed every verse to make it beautiful and has claimed that you won't be able to come up with another verse like this.
🤭😁🤣 poor God
The Quan was revealed in literary classical Arabic, in a style, if a person/ persons in whose heart is a decease/idiots reads it would give wrong impression/context, so that person/persons, whom Allah, being Omniscient, knew would never ever repent and return to the right path would take it wrongly, hence the 'Revelations' orally with the absence of punctuation marks.
Now read the verse in question as the following to get the right context:
Ask those, (to whom) of Our Messengers We sent before you: "Did We appoint gods besides the Most Gracious to be worshipped?"
@BertoKinawa
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‘Ask the Messengers: Find out from the Books brought by them. Just as the meaning of: “If there arises any dispute among you about anything, refer it to Allah and His Prophet,” is not that the dispute should be taken before Allah and His Messenger, but that one should turn to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger for a decision, so “asking the Messengers” also does not mean that one should approach all the Messengers who have left the world and ask them, but the right meaning is: Discover what teachings the Messengers of Allah have left in the world as to which of them taught that another than Allah also is worthy of worship and service.’
Ref: ‘Towards Understanding the Quran’ by Mawdudi
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You'll have your chance to 'correct' Him soon. Be ready for the consequences.
May be He will be pleased to know that I “defended him” in questioning truth and logic!
If the consequences are coming from an all-knowing all-just God, who appreciate the pursuit of truth, then I’m ready for it.
@@AdamElmasriEnglish Such a cool answer and the way of thinking.
Bro , you flattened islam !!
I subscribed and I made a comment for pleasing the Dark God of algorithms. You're doing a great job.
Thanks bro
Thanks for the video Adam, I wish you were around more often, even if just in short live videos, chatting with other people (Muslims, ex-Muslims, atheist etc). Please keep it up.
1.Prophet Muhammad while travelling to the heaven with Gabriel he met prophets like Musa(Moses),Ibrahim(Abraham), Isa(Jesus) peace be upon them and then this Surah revealed to Prophet s.a.w
So half-knowledge is very dangerous😂
I would say: Not to use your brain and instead accept the insanity of religion is very dangerous.
Adam, do I have to learn arabic if I want to study the quran?
It helps a lot you have no idea. Most translations have smoothers and cover ups!
@@AdamElmasriEnglish thank you for replying. I read the quran twice but it was hard to understand. Best I found your channel. May I ask what quran online version should I turn to when you recommend some verses to look up?
So we learn from this verse that ouija boards (with Arabic letters) were available 1400 years ago.
The ayat you are questioning is actually having the answer in the Quran in QS.21:25.
the Quran is often rhetorical and this also happens in QS. 43:45. And even tho it is retorical, again, the answer is in the other ayat in QS.21:25. The prophet would have certainly known the answer if he were to ask the previous prophets before him by reading QS.21:25.
The Quran is like a puzzle. All the 6236 ayats have connection to each other somehow. You do not conclude a picture of a puzzle by assembling only few pieces, do you? You have to assemble all the pieces in the correct way.
So try harder next time if you want to debunk the Quran lol
Even a child can do it,can you tell me in what universe jews worshiped some random guy named ezra as the son of god or when christians considered marriam part of the trinity,or does 33:50 sounds to you from god or a horny cult leader?Come in the 21st century dude!
Rhetorical huh? Is 33:50 rhetorical also,is the obvious contradiction between 10:64 and 16: 101 also rhetorical? 4: 24 is rhetorical?18:86?86:5?67:5?21:32?24:43?So many rhetoricals,you cant even know whats truth in the end.Nice try though,but you have to understand that in the 21st century you cant defend quran,or any other religious book,anymore!
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State one ayah which for you is problematic. I will try to answer. Dont go all rambo lol
My ❤for ex Muslim. Humanity still exists.
Very good! Thank you and keep up the good work
Thanks a lot!
Is It True in Holy Bible 1Timothy 2:11. It Mentioned "LET A WOMEN LEARN IN SILENCE WITH FULL SUBMISSION. I PERMIT NO WOMEN TO HAVE AUTHORITY OVER MAN. SHE IS TO KEEP SILENT.?????🙏🙏
Allah says there is verse in Koran wcich is mutabisah, we say leave it and say ALLAH knows best what it means.People whose hearrt is dirty like the verse as mutabisah meant to create dispute to disbelieve the get misguided then thrown in hell because their heart is dirty for they are sinners.So Muslims will avoid falling into this trap will avoid the verse which are not clear in the meaning , when we encounter mutabisah we always say Allah knows best the meaning.
Provide clear references pls not just quoting
If Allah could protect the Quran, why he couldn't protect the Bible his book?
Is there any reason he didn’t protect his others books?
i advice you to understand the arabic language ..
always this stup1d excuse. ALWAYS BRO
@@beowuulf whatever makes you happy .. but its true .. not anybody can do this .. and its not stupid .. its just too much for you to comprehend... goodnight .. 😘
Brother, I’m a native Arabic speaker. I didn’t speak any other language other than Arabic until I was 28!
If you watched the video (and saw me reading the verse in Arabic) you would have known that!!
@@AdamElmasriEnglish im a native arabic speaker too .. i didnt mean no disrespect at all by the way .. and i dont even know that much about arabic language.. but when god says ask the profit before you .. .. its like when you tell someone .. ask the romans how ruling the world be like .. and thats my humble understanding of that verse .. and still im not really sure .. anyways .. its all respect , peace and love .. everybody have their religion .. والله اعلم
Since the Quran was revealed
in Arabic language so take the
Arabic language meanings not
the Persian language.rasool does not mean messenger in Arabic language means message 😮
Wrong!
In Arabic:
Resalah = message
Rasool = Messege bearer (messenger)
We must to Leave islam to save the world
islam is universal religion but yiu must read it in Arabic pray in Arabic o be universal..😮
Islam is a miracle..
Islam is nonsense.
In simple reasoning - God Already created you and the whole universe without any need. so if He says to Ask other Prophet to confirm why is it illogical. then the whole point of existence can be deemed illogical because there's no need of it to begin with.
Why is adam is wrong in saying that quran 43:45 is illogical?
a. In quran 43:45, the phrase 'ask the messengers whom We sent before you' means 'find out from the books brought by them'.
b. This is similar to quran 4:59 which says, 'if there arises any dispute among you about anything, refer it to allah and His prophet'. It is not that the dispute should be taken before allah and His messenger but that one should turn to the book of allah and the sunnah of His messenger for a decision.
c. So “asking the messengers” in quran 43:45 also does not mean that one should approach all the messengers who have left the world and ask them but the right meaning is, discover what teachings the messengers of allah have left in the world as to which of them taught that another than allah also is worthy of worship and service.
Nothing in the quran is illogical. Rather, quran is guidance from god to mankind until the day of judgement (end times).
@@sethsuleiman4419 Ik brother. but Adam here don't wanna understand. I was just saying God can do anything. also calling creator of logic as Illogical doesn't make any sense either.
Also to keep in mind the Ayah
He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.
Surah Ali Imran 3:7
@@sethsuleiman4419 ik brother. but Adam here don't wanna understand it . God can do anything. Also calling creator of logic illogical doesn't make any sense either.
Also to keep in mind the Ayah
He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.
Surah Ali Imran 3:7
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This is very simple to understand. It is telling us that all the messengers came with the oneness of God. Your ignorance of the Arabic language is damaging you .
If we accept the interpretation of " ask the people who have prophets like Cristians and Jews" we will still have problem. Christians accept Jesus and Meryem gods according to quran. So quran shows wrong witnesses, christains will testify against qurans question of "did we appoint gods beside Allah?", and Christians will say "yes, Jesus is a god beside Allah". What a smart god!
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alright lil buddy, we got it. you just need some attention from muslims
@@absolvable
A disgusting comment, worthy of a worthless superstition.
You should only use proper toilet paper. The Qaran will just block your sewage.
Good Job 👍👏 brother
very interesting question dear, ok get answer of it, if i will says it to my mullahs in sub continent they will make fatwa of blasphemy and shall kill me, but the word prophet means the messengers of Lord, it is not necessary that the messengers called by Lord is only a human, in surah hud Lord use word prophet for angels who were sent to abraham. now come to the point there are two words used in Quran "nabi" and "rasool" . nabi means which is sent message by Lord by "wahi" electric signals or by angels. and rasool could be anyone who took the message of Allah. here is a point that before prophet Muhammad there was no man on the true religion? there were so many priest and rabbi who were not polytheists and were workers of Lord and were preaching the Lord's holy scriptures. so in this verse the word prophet used for those who were preaching. and there is no word worship in any religion, did Lord made created us to bent down infront of Him, if this was needed then the angels were enough, Lord says in Quran we have created humans and Jinns for our slavery(working). the word عبد use to misinterpret by scholars its original meaning is workers/slaves
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It is logical again understand the Arabic language & full context in Quran as it is all complete each other
Also it means read the biography the messengers before you
Understand the Arabic Language
Quran is not in English
Ask messengers before you in a day of judgmen not now
Also
The same as asking Jesus in day of judgment did you ask people to worship me ??
Understand the full context linked together & Arabic language so well
Be objective not a hatred Coptic
Sorry, Adam how did you conclude that Isra journey had already taken place before the 43:45 was revealed? Maybe i missed something
he used logic, and SIN (Standard Islamic Narrative)
@@mistmurth What narrative? what logic? Where did he present it?
@@worldscitizen8579 In Islamic tradition, there is no explicit mention of Prophet Muhammad interacting with other prophets outside of the event of Isra and Miraj in terms of direct encounters. However, there are narratives in Islamic literature where Prophet Muhammad is believed to have conversed with other prophets and messengers in various spiritual contexts, such as during his nightly prayers or in visions. These encounters often serve to emphasize the continuity and unity of the prophetic message across different times and cultures. While such interactions may not be explicitly detailed in recorded accounts, they are acknowledged within the broader framework of Islamic belief in the interconnectedness of prophethood.
So your claim on God asking the previous Prophet’s of God if they were told to worship Allah SWT.
This isn’t god saying I told you I am god now confirm with the messengers. No it’s god saying Ask the Messengers if they were told to worship just me as the people on earth do differently (perhaps) people thought or even the messenger that God ultimately made different revelations for them which isn’t the case.
So even if the journey took place afterwards his claim still can’t be labeled as illogical.
@@worldscitizen8579 obviously you do not know what logic is, let me help you out here, in this specific case the logic is implied, it's not direct, it's there and you need to detect it, and you can do that with an in-depth knowledge of the subject matter and how logic relates to it.
@@mistmurth oh, i see now. I forgot that in sura 17 there is an ayat confirming The journey had already taken place
sura 43:45 is probably made for christians who say jesus is god and we should worship jesus, while jesus said in mathew worship god and serve him only, so christians should ask them self what their messenger said who is not here...
Matthew 4:10
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written:
‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a]”
Jesus in the previous verse said to Satan
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Jesus and the Father are one, which means they are one in essence so this doesn’t exclude him. Jesus is God in the flesh, not to mention that the Father is not your Allah because Allah is not a father to no one in any meaning.
@@ZonexNT father is translation and probably the right word is Creator...
either way so are you satan follower for not following jesus said that it is written and you should worship God of jesus abraham muhammed and me..
@@ZonexNT father means creator for jesus... but are you satan follower for not worshipping God of jesus adam abraham and muhammed, because jesus said it is even written and get away from me for those who try to say elsewise...
@@ZonexNT father means creator for jesus... but are you satan follower for not worshipping God of jesus adam abraham and muhammed, because jesus said it is even written and get away from me for those who try to say elsewise... google removed my first answer so re typed something like it...
@@tentimesful Your prophet said you can’t call God Father, why are you disobeying your prophet and Quran? According to your Quran you have to summit to Muhammed and Allah which seems like shirk to me (associating partners with Allah). Why do you follow this false prophet who was bewitched by Satan and not Jesus himself?
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