Yes, I am slightly curious about this. If they heard news of whole chapters being culled due to the awakening, how can they not hear about the return of a primarch and his new toys?
@@zhoufang996 If you have noticed with the timeline, it is already a century or so since guilliman awoken. And the custodes have been travelling past the tear to deliver primaris. So yeah... does not make sense.
Thomas Yap I think news travels excruciatingly slowly within the imperium in some cases and some places are more isolated than others. As a result they may have no idea that Guillaman has even returned
I'll throw this in. A chapter that fears the high lords more so than a literal son of the emperor for what they may do shows that this story is either set before the primarch awakened, or before they recieved word that a primarch had returned. There are many chapters who do not make use of psykers, looking at you crusading chapters, and this one could be one of those. The chapter master did say that they had conquered whole sub-sectors and faced down entire legions, so a crusading chapter makes sense. Also i would judge that they are either an offshot of the black templars, but thats not important. It makes more sense if they fear the warp so profoundly that they would purge their own kin of the "taint". They've seen likely or even heard of the horror stories that daemons are. Its sad that another light of the imperium is snuffed so wrongly and in the worst way. Perhaps with the aid of loyal brothers who understand their plight, they can be brought back to the light.
These Astartes complain about the sacrifices they make. Revolting. Guardsmen volunteer for this. They fight and die and are forgotten. They gain no glory unlike the Astartes. They fight and die and are disregarded and hated. And yet they stand. Only the heart of a moral man.
say you were put in a situation where you'd have to kill one you trust, and he trusts you, you respect him and he respects you, he has saved you and you have saved him. Wouldn't you complain or hate having to kill him?
Thing about the guardsman is that they are sent to worlds knowing they are going to die. Like numbers in a excel spread sheet. Space Marines are always the rock stars, many of them don't consider themselves to be human or above human. But as lore told us - a space marine would sacrifice thousands of guardsmen if it meant getting to their objective.
@@betchersgland7236 Konrad had the right to bitch. It's like seeing your family appear as a happy sitcom with smiles and pride. Then knowing each one of their fates, how they'll die, when they'll die and that its all a sham. Finally you're the only one who realizes it - and that voice in your head.
@@TKUltra971 yeah yeah the same shit he said. Lion had the same chaotic voices in his head and spent childhood 1 on 1 with them too, and his planet was infested with warpy shit. He also had visions. Came out a tad antisocial but didn't turn traitor while bitching and moaning about his hard childhood.
“... ASSSMMMOOOODDDAAAAIII!!!! “INTERROGATE!” “Our suspension are confirmed!” “WHAT!?” “HE has a suspicion book!” “BOOK!” “He’s in cahoots with the fallen!!” “FALLEN!!” Make him repent!!” “REPPEEENNNTTTT!!!!!!!”
Good story, I just read it. You can see their viewpoint: men are being sentenced to death BECAUSE they are capable of doing their job and being faithful. At what point do you say, "this is stupid!"
lol what? They are just being selfish 'cause its finally their turn to take the short end of the stick. Its not like they made this choice for all the millions of people being shipped around the galaxy on Blackships . . . a much shittier experience than a ritual killing that is likely painless - - - not to mention they decided to start that ritual in the first place because they are making choices out of fear rather than just seeking out help from more psychically active chapters to get guidance from their librarians. They chose to turn their backs on everything they believed in up until now because it was suddenly inconvenient for them personally and they didn't know how to adapt. But yeah, it is a solid story!
Think I'm way too early, there is like 500 Shaman sittin' round this real trip-ass campfire, let's try n converse... Ohh ohhh good god, why are they all??? *Sigh* Decided to '86' the whole go and converse plan... it very quickly became a plan quite unlikely, err unable to return any responses... anymore... I think I'm gonna go have a nice sit down, seeing as I'm alone... now. I think I saw a sweet golden throne back there... looked both inviting, and comfortable.... I'm so pooped, as well... I bet I could sit for 10,000 years, If a day!
Killing all the Psykers, eh? Are we sensing a bloody path to Khorne? That short story was awesome, would've loved to have seen what they look like or were named.
they feel like dark angels to me. very sad honestly, the disinformation in the imperium is hard to see. they can just take a vow not to use there powers or do as the others and start a librarian program, even dorn used his at the siege of terra.
I was quite sure that the Unforgiven didn't have any problem with psykers. The Lion himself abandoned the Nikaea as soon as he had to fight demons... Then there is Ezekiel, that is probably the single person in the whole Unforgiven Chapters with the most information about the Legion's history. It must be a chapter closer to the Ecclesiarchy
@@Nemoknowsnothing Maybe a decendent of the Black Templars? They're extremely anti-witch: no psychers of their own and even bonuses against them on table top. Still, would have to be a relatively new chapter I think. Because Black Templars and those close to them are usually too "pure" to hesitate from such a task.
@@Nemoknowsnothing you're about the angle. my thought is that they work closely with the Ordo Hereticus since they are afraid from the imperium and there dark angles becouse of the way they were standing in a circle, it gave me that knightly order vibe .
@@Aristaios Soul drinkers had chaos taint though, the whole chapter wasnt corrupted but they had enough taint in them on top of the mutations to get them excommunicated
Knights of Blood is a good example as well. Stayed away from other chapters that didn't condemn them as traitors, like the High Lords did, for fear of the Inquisition going after them. They stayed loyal until the end, sacrificing themselves to save their Blood Angel's and successor brothers at Baal
Chapter Master using lightning claws probably rules out Salamanders, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, and Iron Hands and their successors, not their style... they're more likely to have hammers, axes, swords, and power fists. Fits White Scars, but they are very pro psyker, so likely not a successor of them. Same can be said for the Blood Angels, plus they have bigger fish to fry than psykers with the whole Black Rage. The inner circle conepts screams Dark Angels, but again they would be more worried about their fellow astartes for turning traitor and how they hunt down the fallen. This leaves either a Space Wolves or Raven Guard successor chapter, and secret meetings and general lack of wolfy-ness to this makes me think it is not the Wolves, so that leaves the Raven Guard and one of their successors most likely. Going lore wise, my guess is they're Phoenix Brethren , since they are renegade but not heretics acording to the fandom wikia... could be what caused their downfall, and their decision to turn renegade back when they were the Flame Falcons, a crusading Raven Guard successor.
Ultras or fists makes sense if my first hypothesis is wrong, Lightning claws just seem like too barbaric a weapon for the more conventional and militaristic legions, it seems like a weapon that would be an assault legion. Figure its a legion relic since a chapter master has it, with its own name and history as befitting someone of their station, and having a legendary lightning claw seems like something the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, White Scars, or Raven Guard would have. I just don't see a Scars successor giving a crap about the High Lords, and the Wolves and Angels are too unique that something would have been stated about them that gave it away.
@@SmokeJackal This particular chapter master could've been captain of the assault marine reserve company before his promotion for all we know. Whilst I understand the thinking behind it, I think it's a bit hard to rule out any chapter of origin simply because of the chapter master's wargear. Maybe this chapter master really had a knack for close combat. Also regarding Ultramarines, Cato Sicarius used to be equipped with lightning claws on his older model, so it's not unheard of for high ranking officers of the more orthodox chapters to use lightning claws.
@rottenflieger , you're totally right, just using some broad hyporthesis narrow it down, but I figure a chapter master is going to use either a primarch's relic weapon or a relic weapon of an equerry or someone who was on the primarch's honor guard or a captain of some fame from the great crusade. Just don't think there would be too many lightning claws fitting that description, its not a weapon one "recovers" from the fallen usually since it is physically attached to the body like a power fist. Easier to recover a lost sword or conventionaly handheld weapon. His chapter master relic could be his blot pistol for all we know though, and his lightning claw his personal weapon of choice.
You know what would be interesting... if this was an "unwritten" peek into the choices, desperation, and reeling all being experienced by.... A Thousand Son's gene-seed successor... Belisarius prolly got a tick-box keeping track of how many traiter geneseed trials are loyal, and which not so much... likely, even how long the predictable Chaosening took to manifest under the stressors he is subjecting... He rolled traitors obfuscated as loyalist chapters. And putting thru the treasonous stressors testing.... has to be! Alter with that perspective, some arch magus above board friendly heresy, perhaps
I'm thinking Imperial fists or Raven guard successor. Those chapters had a distrust of librarians that might just seep into their successor chapters. the fact that they decided to purge anyone showed new psychic powers instead of having them trained as a librarian, makes me think of those two chapters the most.
Talking about enlightenment at the end of the story, reminds me of the dialogue of some of the leaders of The Word Bearers in the Horus Heresy series. This modern Space Marine Chapter may have been created secretly with Word Bearers gene seed. That could explain the need for secrecy.
Hail Wolf Lord, May the Allfather protect you against the blight of Nurgle. You’ve made another amazing video. I look forward to more of your retellings soon.
It's strange they are so zealous at killing psykers in their ranks 🤔 I could believe Black Templars or a highly religious chapter may act this way maybe. It's not like they have mentioned physical mutations like the Black Dragons or something that would make them no longer space marines. An interesting story though.
Whatcha wanna bet it’s a chapter who doesn’t know their primogenitor? Likely thanks to being from a daggum Traitor Primarch? Like say...Lorgar? Frankly, the only reason I think that is because of the mentioning of zeal and fanaticism, calling the ideology of the Imperial Creed false and corrupt.
@meaturama You need some serious purging heretic, the space wolfs would turn into wulfen and the canis helix makes it impossible for them to be tainted.
I'm really enjoying allot of the new writings coming out with the psychic awakening, it's truly bringing out the humanity in the astartes and personally that's extremely exciting and makes the lore that much more intriguing.
I'm getting a real Raven Guard successor feeling, this is what pappa smurf was talking about to Dante on Ba'al, when you're already in hell it's easy to turn, when these marines have to kill a loyal brothers for something not their fault, in fear of the Imperium they bleed and die for. Just becomes a cause of not if they turn, just when.
What always gets me about these specific stories about chapter betrayal is that they scare themselves into these acts and situations that eventually turn them. It would be one thing for them to be proud and honest and keeping the new pyskers until they are attacked by the High Lords for having them AND THEN turning (they cannot know for absolutely certain what would happen so to say they know is idiotic, they can assume and plan for the worst but that is also different then the full insanity they chose which is culling those might bring issues). Instead they let their fear make them make horrific decisions that they then blame on "what would have happened if not" which is almost total BS as you never even gave that path a try.
just looked up their lore, i kinda doubt it, i see nothing about psykers or tribalistic cannibalistic rituals connecting this to that chapter. this chapter in particular seems more run of the mill boring in terms of what they do so i wouldn't doubt it was meant as such, hence why they didn't say who it was or give indication to any chapter in particular. they wanted you to be able to put renegade chapters into this but i doubt they intended for any particular one
The moment spacemarines start throwing tea in the harbor peeps just assume theyre evil . What if they want to be the goodguys but not follow imperial doctrines
Well, the most stupid reason I have is that the short story starts with an illustration of the Aquila and finishes with one of a chaos corrupted space marine helm. Then Corian's talk about everybody else like weak, simpering, corrupt and decadent while they are predators... If that does not give you the vibe of a bad guy...
Lightning claw to the guts doesn’t seem like the most humane method for a mercykilling! Use of lightning claw would suggest Raven Guard descent I think...
If it’s prePrimaris the Wolves have no successor chapters and if it’s since the Wolves got a successor chapter they’d be thinking of Guilliman’s thoughts on the matter rather than the High Lords because Guilliman is the reason for their existence.
Honestly, they sound like Raven Guard, certain dour attitude plus a love of claws, and we know the Raven Guard have their own genetic anomalies that require secret stuff. On the other hand, petulance is something of a hallmark of the Iron hands and Dorn's sons.
I see this more of a chapter going renegade than falling to chaos. Going along the path of the Ashen claws, considering they didn't want to fight for the imperium anymore (some chapters get excommunicated but still fight for the emperor)
As has been mentioned by others, Sons of Malice are led by a chaos lord named Kathal who was previously a captain when they were loyal. That part matches.
What would happen if our taint were discovered? Laughs in Space Wolf....and in Blood Angel.... and in Dark Angel.... and in Blood Raven.... and in Black Dragon.... and in Mortifactor...
Its made me think of the traitor gene seed. Would those made from them always fall like their primarchs ? those same character traits always shining through to fall to the ruinous powers?
Based in what I have read it is not guaranteed but it is a concern and for that reason they do not create any new marines from traitor stock (although when making primaris marines Cawl did argue he should be allowed to as otherwise he would be abandoning half the tools the emperor made and there is no way of knowing whether he just did it anyway)
I'm pretty sure decimation is still a practice within some chapters and as much humanity as Guilliman has gained, wasn't one of the primarchs that was all for the council of Nikea to take place?
I can think of three (assuming these were a loyal traitor legion): The 6th (Space Wolves), 10th (Iron Hands), or the 19th (Raven Guard). I can see those valuing the loyalty of their brothers over the loyalty to Humanity. I can't see the 1st (Dark Angels), 7th (Imperial Fists), 8th (Blood Angles), 13th (Ultramarines), or the 18th (Salamanders) turning traitor.
I don't know any time when a chapter master of the 1st has ever shirked his duties to put down one of their brothers as it is deemed necessary. The 1st is certainly mission oriented. This could be one of those mystery chapters for the actual primarch is unknown yet everybody just presumes that it is Dorn or that they are scions of the 13th. We already know the there are likely sons of Magnus floating around in the imperium. This could just be a different chapter of the same lineage.
Interesting. I seem to recall a *very* similar short story in one of the "X Of The Space Marines" books that came out years ago. I wonder if this is the same story or if it's been ripped off.
@@wolflordrho Looked it up today. "Renegades" by Gav Thorpe, in the "Heroes of the Space Marines" collection. wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Renegades_(Short_Story) As I said, very similar, although the Astartes turn renegade rather than embrace Chaos.
When you asked what would Gulliman do. He would probably imprison them until he can figure something out. I think we know what's his thoughts are on psyckers Plague Wars cough cough.
I would say this is either Raven guard or Imperial fists, maybe ultra marines. All other loyalists chapters are too distinct in personality for this to fit them.
Hi your videos are awesome and help me through the quarantine keep it up👍😉 But my thoughts are that they didn't turn against the emperor but they turned renegades. If you know wich chapter please tell us
trouble dealing with the psychic awakening? sounds like the black templars successor lol. "nooooooo why are our units becoming OP af murder machines!?!?!?! REEEEEEEEEEEE!"
I'm thinking Either sons of Dorn or the Lion. Doubt they are raven guard. Would of thought there would of been more use of jump packs on the battlefield had it been them.
I'm almost wondering if this is a Primaris chapter with traitor legion geneseed like Thousand Sons or Luna Wolves. Yes, Guillamen might be able to help them but he's in the middle of a crusade right? He has alot of clout in the Imperium but the High Lords still have alot of power, especially the Inquisition. I will admit I didn't think we'd get traitor primaris until after the Psychci Awakening was done.
Hearing "Inner Circle" had me thinking Dark Angels... but the first are only marginally codex compliant. I can't see a chapter so used to keeping secrets sacrificing a brother simply because of an order from the high lords. And they're not anti-psyker. Their wolf lord didn't use his wolf claw to wolfsterminate a wolf brother, so it's not the sixth. Blood Angels are already used to dealing with a manifesting curse, and would find a more useful death for a brother. If then even followed the order. The tactics and terminology don't seem to fit White Scars, Raven Guard, or Salamanders. No mention of fleshy weakness, so probably not Iron Hands. That leaves Imperial Fists and Ultramarines. I could see it being one of the more crusade oriented Fist successors. But since they seem so baseline in their approach, an Ultramarine successor chapter makes sense. But that would call the timing into question. As you said, they mentioned following orders of the high lords, not the primarch. Possible that the writer did not have any specific chapter in mind.
They dare turn from their duties, from the imperium, from the emperor over fear, over a possibly misunderstanding! My Red Shoulders will turn them back or be destroyed! Their heritage, erased! Their deeds, forgotten.
Hey, Wolf Lord Rho, I was curious if you would ever cover fanfic Heresies, such as the Dornian Heresy, Roboutian Heresy, or (self promotion here) Fulgrimian Heresy? Or would you cover fanon Space Marine Legions/Chapters?
Wolf Lord Rho Sweet! m.fanfiction.net/s/12178465/1/Death-of-Unity-The-Fulgrimian-Heresy This is the link to my Fulgrimian Heresy. And below is the link to Nemris who does the artwork for the Roboutian Heresy and the Fulgrimian Heresy: www.deviantart.com/nemris/art/War-Commander-Tyberius-Sakaeron-703735683
I think all of the loyalist Primarchs have had successor Chapters fall, becoming at least renegades if not full-on corrupt, at some point over the last 10 millennia. Let's face it, some of them have had the short end of the stick from the Imperium even if their loyalty to the Emperor was true and I feel that this is the case here - the Chapter Master derided the Imperium, not the Emperor. But they should have contacted Guilliman - he'd at least have given them a fair hearing, even if he isn't their own Primarch.
Sounds like they will turn into corsairs or reavers like the Crimson Corsairs. It's also possible they may turn rogue but not follow chaos at all. Hard to say but it is very understandable, after all they bled for the Imperium and it would be treacherous of the Imperium to turn their backs on them.....but hey, it's 40k and the Imperium has a.... special...way of seeing things!
there Age plus a lot of hate for psyckers tells me it's Black Templer or someone from dorins line, plus hidden Rites it could also be a subchapter of Dark angels but the fear of the high lords more tells me Minotaur or one of its Sub chapters, as well as they, only follow the High lords commands more..
Imagine being corrupted slowly without even knowing it as it uses your emotion and getting the best of ya. then before you know it, You have your Chapter on the wanted list of the Inquisition. PAPA SMURF, DO SOMETHING !
I don't have a vested interest, but I wonder if this is one of the Space Wolf successor chapters, or of Leman's lineage. It would make a lot of sense to hate the Warp taint and still feel so fiercely loyal to the brethren. Also, I just hear lighning claws and immediately think Space Wolf, for whatever reason. Though not sure I would see a Space Wolf successor so easily going traitor as renegade. The entire chapter risked that once against the Inquisition.
"Inner circles" - sure. But why "witches"? Last I checked Dark Angels were not Black Templars. They have the Librarius and stuff. Ezekiel is even trusted to mindfuck people before approving a promotion.
I would have liked if they had broken away but leave them like the alpha legion. I wish that games workshop had made a legion unbending to bother chaos and the imperial of man. That I think games workshop should explore that fifth chaos god malice. All these centuries, fighting and dying, that has got to be enough to awaken a chaos god like that when these demigods have been fighting and seeing their brothers die. That would make for an awesome start to a new “chapter” in this dark 40k...
“Looks like heresy’s back on the menu boys!”
@Jon dow wait, so their leading the loyalists to betray each other?
Gulliman would understand their situation. They should have reported their situation to lord commander. Papa smurf saves all
Yes, I am slightly curious about this. If they heard news of whole chapters being culled due to the awakening, how can they not hear about the return of a primarch and his new toys?
@@lord2529 timey wimey business being trapped in Imperium Nihilus?
@@zhoufang996 If you have noticed with the timeline, it is already a century or so since guilliman awoken. And the custodes have been travelling past the tear to deliver primaris. So yeah... does not make sense.
Thomas Yap I think news travels excruciatingly slowly within the imperium in some cases and some places are more isolated than others. As a result they may have no idea that Guillaman has even returned
Well, this chapter has lietunants, so I presume those guys are Primaris, which creates even more implications
*checks Imperial records*
But not a single chapter has ever fallen though?
Not until now, it seems, or it was a successor chapter maybe?
What about the Word Bearers? Is is possible it's them that the vid's been talking about? What timeline is this story set anyway?
lmao the joke is a fallen chapter gets scrubed from the Imperial records #woosh
@@RaymondFangairsoft4life congrats you got it, have a cookie 🍪
Easy, word bearers were a legion, not a chapter
I'll throw this in.
A chapter that fears the high lords more so than a literal son of the emperor for what they may do shows that this story is either set before the primarch awakened, or before they recieved word that a primarch had returned.
There are many chapters who do not make use of psykers, looking at you crusading chapters, and this one could be one of those. The chapter master did say that they had conquered whole sub-sectors and faced down entire legions, so a crusading chapter makes sense. Also i would judge that they are either an offshot of the black templars, but thats not important.
It makes more sense if they fear the warp so profoundly that they would purge their own kin of the "taint". They've seen likely or even heard of the horror stories that daemons are.
Its sad that another light of the imperium is snuffed so wrongly and in the worst way. Perhaps with the aid of loyal brothers who understand their plight, they can be brought back to the light.
"Fear is the path to Chaos. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to heresy."
- Captain-General Yoda, Adeptus Custodes
These Astartes complain about the sacrifices they make. Revolting. Guardsmen volunteer for this. They fight and die and are forgotten. They gain no glory unlike the Astartes. They fight and die and are disregarded and hated. And yet they stand. Only the heart of a moral man.
say you were put in a situation where you'd have to kill one you trust, and he trusts you, you respect him and he respects you, he has saved you and you have saved him. Wouldn't you complain or hate having to kill him?
Thing about the guardsman is that they are sent to worlds knowing they are going to die. Like numbers in a excel spread sheet. Space Marines are always the rock stars, many of them don't consider themselves to be human or above human. But as lore told us - a space marine would sacrifice thousands of guardsmen if it meant getting to their objective.
Yeah, all this bitching of theirs reminds me of Curze, the Night Crybaby.
@@betchersgland7236 Konrad had the right to bitch. It's like seeing your family appear as a happy sitcom with smiles and pride. Then knowing each one of their fates, how they'll die, when they'll die and that its all a sham. Finally you're the only one who realizes it - and that voice in your head.
@@TKUltra971 yeah yeah the same shit he said. Lion had the same chaotic voices in his head and spent childhood 1 on 1 with them too, and his planet was infested with warpy shit. He also had visions. Came out a tad antisocial but didn't turn traitor while bitching and moaning about his hard childhood.
“... ASSSMMMOOOODDDAAAAIII!!!!
“INTERROGATE!”
“Our suspension are confirmed!”
“WHAT!?”
“HE has a suspicion book!”
“BOOK!”
“He’s in cahoots with the fallen!!”
“FALLEN!!”
Make him repent!!”
“REPPEEENNNTTTT!!!!!!!”
The Great Red Dragon 87 the BOOK part always and never fail to make me laugh
FAAAUUL-LEEN!?!
Reiksguard that is my favorite bit too.
When he repeated back BOOK it killed me
The fact that he keeps screaming repent shows his loyalty 😂
Good story, I just read it. You can see their viewpoint: men are being sentenced to death BECAUSE they are capable of doing their job and being faithful. At what point do you say, "this is stupid!"
lol what? They are just being selfish 'cause its finally their turn to take the short end of the stick. Its not like they made this choice for all the millions of people being shipped around the galaxy on Blackships . . . a much shittier experience than a ritual killing that is likely painless - - - not to mention they decided to start that ritual in the first place because they are making choices out of fear rather than just seeking out help from more psychically active chapters to get guidance from their librarians. They chose to turn their backs on everything they believed in up until now because it was suddenly inconvenient for them personally and they didn't know how to adapt. But yeah, it is a solid story!
last time i was this early . horus was still loyal
Last time I was this early the necrons were fighting the old ones for the first time
@@Chaos_Pawn last time I was this early the old ones just started creating other species.
@@entertainmentforthedead last time I was this early, the old ones came into existence
Last time I was early the C’tan weren’t even around yet.
Your timing is impeccable Brother. I just finished preparing my coffee and what better to sit down with then your storytellings
a beer?
@@dimwitsixtytwelve several beers?
@@alexmoss134 sinking several beers in the space of a wolf lord rho video may not be the best idea :D
Could be fun trying though 😂
@@wolflordrho I can confirm it was 😂
This is also the reason why Chapters are Established, once corruption seeps in, it is limited.
Codex Astartes supports this comment!
Limited like the blackheart...laughs in badab
@@kaiapoiboy1 imagine if those chapters that whent rogue were legion sieze. It would have been horus heresy 2.0. Guilliman was rigth.
Last time I was this early, Magnus hadn't done anything wrong yet...
Before his birth I suppose lol
Magnus has always done nothing wrong and will always do nothing wrong. Time is meaningless in the warp.
Rufio DIES so we gonna ignore the webway and by that logic he’s doing everything he’s done wrong at the same time
@@Lord_Inquisitor_Ignis He is the Chaos god of not doing anything wrong.
Think I'm way too early, there is like 500 Shaman sittin' round this real trip-ass campfire, let's try n converse...
Ohh ohhh good god, why are they all???
*Sigh*
Decided to '86' the whole go and converse plan... it very quickly became a plan quite unlikely, err unable to return any responses... anymore...
I think I'm gonna go have a nice sit down, seeing as I'm alone... now.
I think I saw a sweet golden throne back there... looked both inviting, and comfortable....
I'm so pooped, as well... I bet I could sit for 10,000 years, If a day!
Killing all the Psykers, eh? Are we sensing a bloody path to Khorne? That short story was awesome, would've loved to have seen what they look like or were named.
what killing all psykers ???!?!?!
its not like the black Templars did not do that before 0_o
I think just having them be pricks is better. Chaos doesn’t need to be in everything
they feel like dark angels to me.
very sad honestly, the disinformation in the imperium is hard to see. they can just take a vow not to use there powers or do as the others and start a librarian program, even dorn used his at the siege of terra.
I was quite sure that the Unforgiven didn't have any problem with psykers. The Lion himself abandoned the Nikaea as soon as he had to fight demons... Then there is Ezekiel, that is probably the single person in the whole Unforgiven Chapters with the most information about the Legion's history.
It must be a chapter closer to the Ecclesiarchy
@@Nemoknowsnothing Maybe a decendent of the Black Templars? They're extremely anti-witch: no psychers of their own and even bonuses against them on table top. Still, would have to be a relatively new chapter I think. Because Black Templars and those close to them are usually too "pure" to hesitate from such a task.
@@Nemoknowsnothing you're about the angle. my thought is that they work closely with the Ordo Hereticus since they are afraid from the imperium and there dark angles becouse of the way they were standing in a circle, it gave me that knightly order vibe .
The poetic irony would be ultrasmurf’s
@@yoyo2850 ooooo yea. They definitely could be a dark angels successor chapter with that logic.
The last time I was this early the Iron Warriors were reinforcing the Isstvan V loyalists
This is a classical renegade. I don't see why you mention the dark gods tainting them. Not all renegades fall to chaos.
soul drinkers for example and maybe the relictors
@@Aristaios Ashen Claws are a perfect example.
Isnt their a secret legion that wanders recruiting lost marines for their chapter? The black shields or something?
@@Aristaios Soul drinkers had chaos taint though, the whole chapter wasnt corrupted but they had enough taint in them on top of the mutations to get them excommunicated
Knights of Blood is a good example as well. Stayed away from other chapters that didn't condemn them as traitors, like the High Lords did, for fear of the Inquisition going after them. They stayed loyal until the end, sacrificing themselves to save their Blood Angel's and successor brothers at Baal
Last time I was this early, my Chapter was still loyal.
Yes Inquisitor, this comment right here.
Yes Ahriman, this Inquisitor right here.
Sexy voice Guy thank you for notifying me now I’m doing the Leroy genkins of the inquisition EEEEEXXXXXTTTTEEEERRRRMMMMMIIIIIINNNNNNAAAAATTTTTTEEESSS
Well you're clearly not talking about Alpha Legion because we've always been loyal
@@totallynotalpharius2283 tell that to your wayward sons
Chapter Master using lightning claws probably rules out Salamanders, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, and Iron Hands and their successors, not their style... they're more likely to have hammers, axes, swords, and power fists. Fits White Scars, but they are very pro psyker, so likely not a successor of them. Same can be said for the Blood Angels, plus they have bigger fish to fry than psykers with the whole Black Rage. The inner circle conepts screams Dark Angels, but again they would be more worried about their fellow astartes for turning traitor and how they hunt down the fallen. This leaves either a Space Wolves or Raven Guard successor chapter, and secret meetings and general lack of wolfy-ness to this makes me think it is not the Wolves, so that leaves the Raven Guard and one of their successors most likely. Going lore wise, my guess is they're Phoenix Brethren , since they are renegade but not heretics acording to the fandom wikia... could be what caused their downfall, and their decision to turn renegade back when they were the Flame Falcons, a crusading Raven Guard successor.
They could be from the stock of Raven, ultras, fists or scars IMO
Ultras or fists makes sense if my first hypothesis is wrong, Lightning claws just seem like too barbaric a weapon for the more conventional and militaristic legions, it seems like a weapon that would be an assault legion. Figure its a legion relic since a chapter master has it, with its own name and history as befitting someone of their station, and having a legendary lightning claw seems like something the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, White Scars, or Raven Guard would have. I just don't see a Scars successor giving a crap about the High Lords, and the Wolves and Angels are too unique that something would have been stated about them that gave it away.
@@SmokeJackal This particular chapter master could've been captain of the assault marine reserve company before his promotion for all we know. Whilst I understand the thinking behind it, I think it's a bit hard to rule out any chapter of origin simply because of the chapter master's wargear. Maybe this chapter master really had a knack for close combat.
Also regarding Ultramarines, Cato Sicarius used to be equipped with lightning claws on his older model, so it's not unheard of for high ranking officers of the more orthodox chapters to use lightning claws.
@rottenflieger , you're totally right, just using some broad hyporthesis narrow it down, but I figure a chapter master is going to use either a primarch's relic weapon or a relic weapon of an equerry or someone who was on the primarch's honor guard or a captain of some fame from the great crusade. Just don't think there would be too many lightning claws fitting that description, its not a weapon one "recovers" from the fallen usually since it is physically attached to the body like a power fist. Easier to recover a lost sword or conventionaly handheld weapon. His chapter master relic could be his blot pistol for all we know though, and his lightning claw his personal weapon of choice.
James Kelley the Blood Angels And chapters of the Blood already have a high number of Pskers anyway. Plus they have Mephiston. Definitely not them.
Last time I was this early, The emperor was still a warlord playing with 20 petri dishes!
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You know what would be interesting... if this was an "unwritten" peek into the choices, desperation, and reeling all being experienced by....
A Thousand Son's gene-seed successor...
Belisarius prolly got a tick-box keeping track of how many traiter geneseed trials are loyal, and which not so much... likely, even how long the predictable Chaosening took to manifest under the stressors he is subjecting...
He rolled traitors obfuscated as loyalist chapters. And putting thru the treasonous stressors testing.... has to be!
Alter with that perspective, some arch magus above board friendly heresy, perhaps
Y'know what's gross about this comment? The fact you dared to use "p***ly" instead of "probably"
@@Everlost_Nation 'Y'know' is right up there with it, Y'Know?
Haha
Those dislikes are all from the Inquisition.
I'm thinking Imperial fists or Raven guard successor. Those chapters had a distrust of librarians that might just seep into their successor chapters. the fact that they decided to purge anyone showed new psychic powers instead of having them trained as a librarian, makes me think of those two chapters the most.
Talking about enlightenment at the end of the story, reminds me of the dialogue of some of the leaders of The Word Bearers in the Horus Heresy series. This modern Space Marine Chapter may have been created secretly with Word Bearers gene seed.
That could explain the need for secrecy.
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The whole time I was listening to this like, 'brother, no!'
It's strange they are so zealous at killing psykers in their ranks 🤔 I could believe Black Templars or a highly religious chapter may act this way maybe.
It's not like they have mentioned physical mutations like the Black Dragons or something that would make them no longer space marines.
An interesting story though.
Many thanks yet again really appreciate the content your giving us on these times of nurgles reign :(
I do not know who it is but I can tell you who it's not....It's not the black templars
That's pretty obvious lmao. They call their chapter master "high marshall" and they care not about the high lords in the slightest.
Whatcha wanna bet it’s a chapter who doesn’t know their primogenitor? Likely thanks to being from a daggum Traitor Primarch? Like say...Lorgar?
Frankly, the only reason I think that is because of the mentioning of zeal and fanaticism, calling the ideology of the Imperial Creed false and corrupt.
@meaturama You need some serious purging heretic, the space wolfs would turn into wulfen and the canis helix makes it impossible for them to be tainted.
@@yesiamarussianbot3076 not true, there are traitor Space Wolves.
@@yeoldchief7711 What since when?
I enjoyed reading this short - and i knew you'd end up covering it. It was a great read.
I'm really enjoying allot of the new writings coming out with the psychic awakening, it's truly bringing out the humanity in the astartes and personally that's extremely exciting and makes the lore that much more intriguing.
I'm getting a real Raven Guard successor feeling, this is what pappa smurf was talking about to Dante on Ba'al, when you're already in hell it's easy to turn, when these marines have to kill a loyal brothers for something not their fault, in fear of the Imperium they bleed and die for. Just becomes a cause of not if they turn, just when.
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What always gets me about these specific stories about chapter betrayal is that they scare themselves into these acts and situations that eventually turn them. It would be one thing for them to be proud and honest and keeping the new pyskers until they are attacked by the High Lords for having them AND THEN turning (they cannot know for absolutely certain what would happen so to say they know is idiotic, they can assume and plan for the worst but that is also different then the full insanity they chose which is culling those might bring issues). Instead they let their fear make them make horrific decisions that they then blame on "what would have happened if not" which is almost total BS as you never even gave that path a try.
Wild theory: the chapter in this short story becomes the sons of malice
just looked up their lore, i kinda doubt it, i see nothing about psykers or tribalistic cannibalistic rituals connecting this to that chapter. this chapter in particular seems more run of the mill boring in terms of what they do so i wouldn't doubt it was meant as such, hence why they didn't say who it was or give indication to any chapter in particular. they wanted you to be able to put renegade chapters into this but i doubt they intended for any particular one
15:52 is that really the dark gods though , it could be just spacemarines fed up with the imperium
Chaos need to get primaris
The moment spacemarines start throwing tea in the harbor peeps just assume theyre evil . What if they want to be the goodguys but not follow imperial doctrines
Well, the most stupid reason I have is that the short story starts with an illustration of the Aquila and finishes with one of a chaos corrupted space marine helm.
Then Corian's talk about everybody else like weak, simpering, corrupt and decadent while they are predators... If that does not give you the vibe of a bad guy...
@@Nemoknowsnothing . Ah true i suppose you got me there
You know, that enlightenment line doesn't strike me as being fed up you know...
Lightning claw to the guts doesn’t seem like the most humane method for a mercykilling!
Use of lightning claw would suggest Raven Guard descent I think...
Space wolves and dark angels use them a lot.
If it’s prePrimaris the Wolves have no successor chapters and if it’s since the Wolves got a successor chapter they’d be thinking of Guilliman’s thoughts on the matter rather than the High Lords because Guilliman is the reason for their existence.
Every brother that falls is blow to the Imperium doubly so for the Chapter that falls to choas
Honestly, they sound like Raven Guard, certain dour attitude plus a love of claws, and we know the Raven Guard have their own genetic anomalies that require secret stuff. On the other hand, petulance is something of a hallmark of the Iron hands and Dorn's sons.
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*Sees the seeds of corruption bloom*
Laughs in Alpharius
Alpharius knew the lies of the Imperial Truth.
@@rbirker Alpharius also fights for the Emporer
@@jgw9990 Alpharius isnt fighting for anyone anymore
@@cerberus9832 wrong Alpharius
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I see this more of a chapter going renegade than falling to chaos. Going along the path of the Ashen claws, considering they didn't want to fight for the imperium anymore (some chapters get excommunicated but still fight for the emperor)
I heard the name Kathal and I glanced at my Sons of Malice Miniatures.
you just gave me an idea for a chapter thank you
Great short story!
As has been mentioned by others, Sons of Malice are led by a chaos lord named Kathal who was previously a captain when they were loyal. That part matches.
What would happen if our taint were discovered?
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Winks in Soul Drinker
Its made me think of the traitor gene seed. Would those made from them always fall like their primarchs ? those same character traits always shining through to fall to the ruinous powers?
Based in what I have read it is not guaranteed but it is a concern and for that reason they do not create any new marines from traitor stock (although when making primaris marines Cawl did argue he should be allowed to as otherwise he would be abandoning half the tools the emperor made and there is no way of knowing whether he just did it anyway)
I'm pretty sure decimation is still a practice within some chapters and as much humanity as Guilliman has gained, wasn't one of the primarchs that was all for the council of Nikea to take place?
Darn I just got hooked on this
I can think of three (assuming these were a loyal traitor legion): The 6th (Space Wolves), 10th (Iron Hands), or the 19th (Raven Guard). I can see those valuing the loyalty of their brothers over the loyalty to Humanity. I can't see the 1st (Dark Angels), 7th (Imperial Fists), 8th (Blood Angles), 13th (Ultramarines), or the 18th (Salamanders) turning traitor.
I heard the chapter masters words and all I had in my head was "ABSOLUTELY HERETICAL!!!" and then my heresy meter exploded
Great video as usual, great job!!!
Thanks!
This my brothers, is the story of the once loyalist chapter called The Brazen Drakes, now called The Shriven, led by Argento Corian the Enlightener
Great stuff! Keep up the great work, we appreciate it
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I don't know any time when a chapter master of the 1st has ever shirked his duties to put down one of their brothers as it is deemed necessary. The 1st is certainly mission oriented.
This could be one of those mystery chapters for the actual primarch is unknown yet everybody just presumes that it is Dorn or that they are scions of the 13th. We already know the there are likely sons of Magnus floating around in the imperium. This could just be a different chapter of the same lineage.
Interesting. I seem to recall a *very* similar short story in one of the "X Of The Space Marines" books that came out years ago. I wonder if this is the same story or if it's been ripped off.
I’d like to read that!
@@wolflordrho Looked it up today. "Renegades" by Gav Thorpe, in the "Heroes of the Space Marines" collection. wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Renegades_(Short_Story)
As I said, very similar, although the Astartes turn renegade rather than embrace Chaos.
It read to me as obvious iron hands successor. Although in a pinch, I could see white scars or more likely raven gard
When you asked what would Gulliman do. He would probably imprison them until he can figure something out. I think we know what's his thoughts are on psyckers Plague Wars cough cough.
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Thank you 😊
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FOREVEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!"
-Last words, Emperor's Children's Cpt.
Space marines: we have to many psykers we are all going to die!!!!
Blood ravens: *confusion*
I would say this is either Raven guard or Imperial fists, maybe ultra marines. All other loyalists chapters are too distinct in personality for this to fit them.
They were a black Templar successor chapter, " suffer not the witch to live"
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But my thoughts are that they didn't turn against the emperor but they turned renegades. If you know wich chapter please tell us
trouble dealing with the psychic awakening? sounds like the black templars successor lol. "nooooooo why are our units becoming OP af murder machines!?!?!?! REEEEEEEEEEEE!"
Man, this makes me wanna make my own space marine chapter!
Last time I was this early, Sotha was still a place.
Woah, so early. Last Time i was this early, the shamans were still preparing their ritual sacrifice
I'm thinking Either sons of Dorn or the Lion. Doubt they are raven guard. Would of thought there would of been more use of jump packs on the battlefield had it been them.
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I'm almost wondering if this is a Primaris chapter with traitor legion geneseed like Thousand Sons or Luna Wolves. Yes, Guillamen might be able to help them but he's in the middle of a crusade right? He has alot of clout in the Imperium but the High Lords still have alot of power, especially the Inquisition. I will admit I didn't think we'd get traitor primaris until after the Psychci Awakening was done.
Astral claws becoming the red corsairs maybe
Can't be. Huron was the Astral Claws Chapter Master when they fell.
It'd be hilarious if it's the Minotaurs ;P
One of the captains of this Chapter is called Cathal
Sons of Malice Chapter Master, then first company captain is called Kathal
Coincidence?
Dorn at first I thought it was the Black Templars crusade fleet since GW has dropped the ball a lot on rank and title lately.
The author made their fall so relatable. They are not evil, they made the right choice to not kill their own but had only themselves to guide them.
Hearing "Inner Circle" had me thinking Dark Angels... but the first are only marginally codex compliant. I can't see a chapter so used to keeping secrets sacrificing a brother simply because of an order from the high lords. And they're not anti-psyker.
Their wolf lord didn't use his wolf claw to wolfsterminate a wolf brother, so it's not the sixth.
Blood Angels are already used to dealing with a manifesting curse, and would find a more useful death for a brother. If then even followed the order.
The tactics and terminology don't seem to fit White Scars, Raven Guard, or Salamanders.
No mention of fleshy weakness, so probably not Iron Hands.
That leaves Imperial Fists and Ultramarines. I could see it being one of the more crusade oriented Fist successors. But since they seem so baseline in their approach, an Ultramarine successor chapter makes sense. But that would call the timing into question. As you said, they mentioned following orders of the high lords, not the primarch.
Possible that the writer did not have any specific chapter in mind.
Loyalty is its own Reward........
Maybe a Blood Angels successor? They're famous for having a bit more psychic 'bang' than most others.
I don’t see them killing them like this though. They are know to already have a lot of them, successors and all.
They dare turn from their duties, from the imperium, from the emperor over fear, over a possibly misunderstanding! My Red Shoulders will turn them back or be destroyed! Their heritage, erased! Their deeds, forgotten.
Hey, Wolf Lord Rho, I was curious if you would ever cover fanfic Heresies, such as the Dornian Heresy, Roboutian Heresy, or (self promotion here) Fulgrimian Heresy? Or would you cover fanon Space Marine Legions/Chapters?
Sure. As long as I make it clear people understand it’s not cannon then why not!
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They may not go to chaos as much as they'll abandon working for the imperium
I think all of the loyalist Primarchs have had successor Chapters fall, becoming at least renegades if not full-on corrupt, at some point over the last 10 millennia. Let's face it, some of them have had the short end of the stick from the Imperium even if their loyalty to the Emperor was true and I feel that this is the case here - the Chapter Master derided the Imperium, not the Emperor. But they should have contacted Guilliman - he'd at least have given them a fair hearing, even if he isn't their own Primarch.
Sounds like they will turn into corsairs or reavers like the Crimson Corsairs. It's also possible they may turn rogue but not follow chaos at all. Hard to say but it is very understandable, after all they bled for the Imperium and it would be treacherous of the Imperium to turn their backs on them.....but hey, it's 40k and the Imperium has a.... special...way of seeing things!
It's the Dark Angels.
Laughs in Knights of Blood.
there Age plus a lot of hate for psyckers tells me it's Black Templer or someone from dorins line, plus hidden Rites it could also be a subchapter of Dark angels but the fear of the high lords more tells me Minotaur or one of its Sub chapters, as well as they, only follow the High lords commands more..
Imagine being corrupted slowly without even knowing it as it uses your emotion and getting the best of ya.
then before you know it, You have your Chapter on the wanted list of the Inquisition.
PAPA SMURF, DO SOMETHING !
you sure papa smurf isn,t corrupted slowly himself by the touch of awakening by an alien god??
I reckon it's one of Dorn's lot
This chapter turned out to be the Brazen Drakes.
Valor dies in the shadow of fear. They should've gone to Crawl and Guilliman.
I don't have a vested interest, but I wonder if this is one of the Space Wolf successor chapters, or of Leman's lineage. It would make a lot of sense to hate the Warp taint and still feel so fiercely loyal to the brethren. Also, I just hear lighning claws and immediately think Space Wolf, for whatever reason.
Though not sure I would see a Space Wolf successor so easily going traitor as renegade. The entire chapter risked that once against the Inquisition.
They have no successors though
the talk about inner circles, and persecution to "witches" makes me think about a Dark Angels successor chapter.
"Inner circles" - sure. But why "witches"? Last I checked Dark Angels were not Black Templars. They have the Librarius and stuff. Ezekiel is even trusted to mindfuck people before approving a promotion.
But they would then be hunted by Asmodai and no one I mean NO ONE wants that
Brazen drakes
Sounds like Black Templars, or one that hates all 'mutants.'
I think it might be a dornian chapter because they know that not many people would understand their service and judge them due to it
I would have liked if they had broken away but leave them like the alpha legion. I wish that games workshop had made a legion unbending to bother chaos and the imperial of man. That I think games workshop should explore that fifth chaos god malice. All these centuries, fighting and dying, that has got to be enough to awaken a chaos god like that when these demigods have been fighting and seeing their brothers die. That would make for an awesome start to a new “chapter” in this dark 40k...
I can't wait for Primaris Marines to start falling to Chaos.
This is very interesting