Shooting an original 1858 Remington New Model Navy with repro Colt cartridges
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An original 1858 Remington Navy meets the closest possible repro of the Colt combustible envelope cartridges of the Civil War.
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This channel and Forgotten Weapons, British Muzzleloaders are the best for historical info and very entertaining!
Al Bundy Don't forget CandRsenal
duelist1954 has a good channel too.
totally agree, and also C&Rsenal
They focus more on tactics and history than the individual weapons, but The Great War is another fantastic channel.
These days, TH-cam has better history programming than cable TV.
As far as me goes, I credit hickock45 for bringing me here (and to Forgotten Weapons+British Muzzleloaders) years ago, by humbly stating "I`m by no means an expert, if you want to know more you should check out capandball`s channel!".
Love the 1858's! IMO they are the most beautiful revolvers ever invented.
My vote for the most beautiful revolver ever invented is the Colt Peacemaker. Second place is the 1861 Pocket Police - what an elegant little weapon.
My opinion the most beautiful revolver ever invented was the Python.
Great video! I have three Remington 1858 Repros and they are the by far the most enjoyable shooters in my collection. They never fail to turn heads on the firing line.
Great video! Your love for black powder arms comes across very clearly. In the detail you go into to produce historically accurate ammo and finding the weapons. I am always impressed and happy to see each new video. Thanks for the exceptional content.
This was a much better presentation of the Remington Navy then any of the reviews done here in America. Well done again.
I think it is the most beautiful hand gun ever made.
I agree.
I love mine.
In my opinion, the Colt 1860 Army has to be the most beautiful of all cap & ball revolvers with the Remington a close second.
On that subject, I have three Remingtons, Pietta New Model Army .44, target model, a New New Navy .36 with a short barrel and an older (1976) Navy Arms, (Uberti) New Model Army in .44. I also have a Pietta Spiller & Burr, .36 caliber that at first glance looks like a cross between a Colt and Remington. It's the only brass framed gun I own, as I don't care much for brass framed revolvers.
Cabela's seems to have the best prices for cap and ball guns especially when they are on sale!
Looks may be subjective to a point, however getting one that is well made and maybe a bit more expensive and closer to an original in size and finish and craftsmanship, definitely easily matches the 1860 in looks in many ways, and soundly beats it when it comes to ease of use. Not by a very large margin but very soundly. Everything is just plain easier with the Remington. From the sights (better by leaps and bounds), to the ease of clean up. You get one with the same weight, grip, and with the same amount of polish as originals and after using it a while you quickly see which one is the most "beautiful". The two companies making repros couldn't be more different with the New Model Remingtons. You want one just to mess around with and toss into the truck, get a Pietta, but you want one that is a real beauty and truly matches the quality of the originals, then pay more and get an Uberti.
I am bidding on a Remington New Navy right now. If I don't get this one I will get the next. Thank you for the review. I have always felt that the Remington New Models were superior technology to the more collectable Colts.
You ever get one?
Like most people I make do with the excellent reproductions from the Italians. I have Uberti's version of the New Model Navy, it is quite good. I am grateful to the Italians for reproducing so many fine old guns that give us a chance to experience the past.
Today I sent the order in for an Uberti Cattleman in .32-20, rare to find them in that caliber, it will be a mate to my Winchester 1892 in .32-20. Now if they would make one in .38-40 I'd be even happier.
Great interesting video. The Remington was way ahead of its time.
Great to see the differences between the old and new. Good shooting sir!!
Absolutely love the close up of the different parts comparisons. Excellent presentation with enthusiasm and important information and history. Truly entertaining and will watch again. Thank you for taking the time. Stay safe. Cheers,
That is some impressive shooting! I had a Ruger Old Army that would jam on the caps almost every other shot, had a terrible time with it, these old timers seem to be much more forgiving.
Get a Uberti New Army 1858. Nipple area has to be kept clean. Put after market nipples and put an after market main spring on it to customize it. Make paper cartridges and get a loading dock. Have fun and relax. Use Remington Snap Cap's.
Thanks to you, my ar15 obsession has been joined by black powder. I'm on the hunt for my first BP revolver as we speak! I already cast and reload for pistol and rifle rounds, and making paper cartridges sounds like a ton of fun.
imagine a black powder ar15 no need for smoke grenades anymore
Looks like the New Model you have here might be one of the earlier transition models due to it having the dovetailed front sight similar to the earlier Beals. Later on it transitioned to the sight that was threaded in.
Occasionally a front broken sight may have been needed to be repaired later on after a lot of use and a dovetailed sight was installed as an upgrade, However, most of the time if you see a front dovetailed sight on an original New Model 1858 either Navy or Army, it is an earlier transition model. The early 1858 Remington's and the even earlier Remington Beals did in fact have dovetailed sights despite what many "experts" may claim. These dovetailed sights can also be seen in the early patent drawings.
These guns truly changed revolvers forever. To this day they are just about the strongest and most reliable black powder revolvers you can get. Best of all, you never get the old Colt cap jam. When it comes to black powder revolvers it doesn't get much better than an 1858 Remington. They are just so refined and so easy to use.
Well Done! Really enjoyed the look at the differences between the two models.
Spectacular accuracy at 50m!! Amazing!
Bill Hickock hit a man in heart at 75 yards with 36 cal. 1858 navy.
The "1858" (pat date even though nobody would have called it the 1858 in the 60s) is really the pinnacle of cap and ball 6 shooters. So beutiful and elegant. Stick a cartridge conversion cylinder on there and you have a capable gun 150 yeara later!
Freakin amazing... I have been watching these for a while now... and I am almost ready to go out and get a C&B black revolver... your videos just give me the fever, wow 😁
They are a lot of fun. They smoke, stink, they're filthy and a pain in the ass to load and clean but all that is part of the charm of the old smoke wagons. I'd recommend getting one, or two, or three, or more like the rest of us. I love the Colts but they're all great. I started with an 1851 Navy Colt which is .36 caliber. It's a great starting gun. It's even more fun when you get into casting the original conical bullets and making paper cartridges. I'd recommend getting one.
By the way, if you do get one, buy a quality reproduction. The quality guns start at $275ish and go to $400 or so depending on the model. Don't get a cheap one. You'll regret it.
fallenpatriot 79 -- Nice of you to say. Having been a shooter for 25 years, I am fairly used to any firearm being a significant investment. $275-400 is actually inexpensive for a quality firearm (albeit, I imagine the utilities and additional accessories and powder/projectiles one must also get should be factored in to the arm's true price...). That price range would buy a decent low-budget factory sidearm. I am hoping for something I can keep for many years. When the idea first popped in my mind, I kept looking at things like Uberti or Cimarron replicas that field modern cartridges... but I held off buying anything because I have a strong notion that it just wouldn't be the same as a firearm with a bona fide historical operating system... something like a "Cattleman" in .38Spl would probably just be a modern arm playing dress-up, sort of the feeling one gets using a modern lever rifle. I think I want to experience "how it was" in a more genuine sense. I believe if I do the research, be patient and spend some time looking and touching some modern replicas with historical black powder actions, I could field a budget of $600 or so and find a very nice introductory piece that I would enjoy for years, regardless if I ended up expanding on that part of our hobby. Maybe a good place to start is to find one of the many interesting historical figures, and research what they used? It would add a fun connection to the activity... an interesting figure from some era I find intriguing, whether from the American West, the Civil War, late colonial times, etc. History with a connection is always fascinating. In Arizona, I should have no difficultly locating a fine piece, or the components needed to enjoy it. Thanks! 🇺🇸 Be safe.
Modern "replica" c&b revolvers are not terribly expensive. It's also true they will cost a little extra to get set up well with all the parts and pieces for these guns. If you have a $600 budget, you'll be able to get a great gun and pretty much everything you need. Bp guns really don't take much to shoot BUT there are many little tools that will make your life much easier. Some gadgets are necessities and some are niceties. I'd recommend getting the niceties if you can afford them and $600 will get them all. I'd also recommend using real bp unless you're not overly concerned with being historically accurate. Hodgdon "triple seven" powder is better in every way than real black powder--does not rust, easy to clean, cleaner shooting, more powerful so you can use less etc. However, the vast majority of serious bp shooters use real bp. There is just something about it. The smell, history etc. I'd stay away from pyrodex though if possible. It has all the disadvantages of real bp without the historical accuracy and none of the benefits of synthetic and it's hard to ignite which flintlock guys like me loathe. It will not fire in a flintlock. About the history of these guns, you'll find serious bp shooters love history even more than just gun and old west history. To get more info on bp guns, shooting and history, look up a youtuber called duelist1954. He is great too. He and capandball (Balazs Nemeth) are my equal favorites. Duelist does many guns, not just bp. Have any questions, feel free to ask me.
fallenpatriot 79 -- Nice of you to provide this advice. I am glad I've been patient and didn't just get an 1873 Colt and call it a day... but it's a big thing always, being a newbie in realm where there's hundreds of years of experience to absorb. I have a lot of researching left to do... but I am liking both the 1858 Remington and its features (which happens to be in this video, albeit the Navy issue...), and the 1851 Colt Navy (with the roll engravings on the cylinder, which I find so lovely, despite the fact that I am not normally interested with the aesthetics of firearms/tools...). I must handle and see them first, before any purchase. Uberti seems like a decent bet for a functioning reproduction; forums say they have better quality generally than Pietta, and that Cimarron are merely branded Ubertis. I also wonder if you have any recommendations on good suppliers (such as EMF www.emf-company.com ...are they reputable?), in the event I don't find a local store with sufficient variety of supplies; or even because so many stores close by 1800 and it's tough to visit them during business hours. I will begin to watch the Duelist channel you recommended. I watch lots of my hometown historical gun guy Ian, in Forgotten Weapons (...just watched his Colt Brevete video, about the Europeans' cloned Colts and licensing...). And of course, Hickok45. As a "modern" shooter, those have been the two fellas who have enough interest in historical BP arms to spend some time sharing and introducing them with people. The most "historical" firearm I have is a Mossberg shotgun I bought in Woolworth's department store in 1991 🤣 so... lots to learn... a whole new segment of shooting. Thanks!
Beautiful gun, Iv been looking at a Repo of the 1858 Navy .36 I am thinking of getting later on in the spring if they still got it. Is amazing how well those shoot after being in the Civil War, probably used to hammer nails on the open range and gosh knows what. I love your channel, and your cute as a button, keep up the good work ciao.
Finally someone explains the difference between the beals and the new model I hate having to explain that and there are too many who love the Remington handguns but are ignorant on the different models
Both are very beautiful ladies. You are very luck guy to get a hold of two very beautiful Remington revolvers and to shoot them. Thank you for sharing them. It truly made my day. Thank you.
it's a really accurate weapon, I often shoot with it and I love it!
Thanks Capnball for the Shooting Of These Old Beauties Pretty Accurate For 160 Years Old 😎😮😲😀
Nicely done! Looks like the ol' lady still performs...good shooting.
That was impressive! The 25yd group was top notch as was the 50yd, to me, as I usually throw one shot outside the group! I think now I will make a Uberti Rem Navy my next gun! Great video!
I love your videos and information, these look like two fantastic pistols. I shoot black powder cap & ball 1851 Navies frequently and I love the fun!
You stuff is the best on the internet
as a 40 year gunsmith I greatly appreciate the in-depth parts comparison you've done in your presentation between the early and late models. I too have always favored the solid frame Remington over the open top Colts for strength and reliability... It was strange to me that Colt would discontinue the Roots design side hammer he was producing in favorer of his weaker 1860 open-top design. I guess Colt was just as much an egotist as the next in choosing his design over another's.
What amazed me is that after all these years those parts are still in great shape. That says a lot a out manufacturing then
357bullfrog they were made when caring about craftsmanship was the norm, not the exception like it is today
Habe eine Menge gelernt, danke für den tollen Beitrag!
Great video! I just love these old pistols...... I don't have any Civil War vintage pistols,but I really enjoy shooting my Colt and Remington reproductions.
your videos are a delight to watch , far better to any magazine article. Very serious research. A suggestion : if you haven't done so , try to cross the Atlantic and visit the Cody Museum , very few people will appreciate more than you.
I'm wanting a 36 real bad to go with my new model army
hace tiempo tuve en mi coleccion dos remington del cal 44 y tiraban muy bien con 24 greins , polvora suiza fff y bola del 44-40 magnificas agrupaciones , el video me a traido recuerdos . saludos desde españa
This the best historical Chanel
Great show...
Lovely pistols....
That's a real beauty there!
Nice! want one of these, now we need a video of a cooper DA/SA revolver, Allen and Wheelock DAO bar hammer revolver and of a remington rider pocket revolver. Thank you :)
Remington really needs to be made great again.
I wish Uberti would make a correct size Remington Navy 36 instead of just making a New Model Army in 36. I think there's a US market for the Remington Army Navy and pocket police in the correct configuration.
Exellent video from perfect revolver.
Remingtons are probably a better all-around gun but regardless, I have a special place in my heart for the Colt cap and ball revolvers. I personally think they are the most beautiful handguns ever made including today's guns. Remingtons are probably more reliable but for the new reproduction guns, there are a few very simple things that can be done to make them basically non-jamming and these fixes totally stop "cap sucking" i.e. the hammer pulling the cap off the nipple and dropping it down in between the frame and hammer which can jam the gun or cause the next shot to misfire, which anyone that has shot a Colt knows exactly what I'm talking about. The youtuber by the name of duelist1954 has the process on TH-cam and he has a great channel too.
fallenpatriot 79 That is an interesting handle you go by. Is there a story behind it? I also believe that Colt's revolvers were very beautiful. If you ever get a chance to pick it up take a look at the book on Colt revolvers by R.L. Wilson. It is hard to look at some of the cased sets he put out and not drool all over the pages. Some had the grips and grip frames made by the Tiffany Co. But as far as engineering and practical design, in my opinion, Remingtons get the thumbs up. My first handgun was a Remington New Army Replica. I have owned several guns but that New Army replica is in my list of my favorites of my guns. I liked the loading process and didn't even really hate the cleaning process but I didn't go out to shoot with it if I didn't have a minimum of an hour to shoot with it. Later on I bought a Colt Walker kit. I don't remember many instances of it jamming up from spent caps falling inside. I would tilt the revolver backwards over my shoulder when I recocked it and the spent cap came off and fell to the ground.
Fantastic revolvers! Greetings from Greece!
I have the 1858 Remington New Model
.36 caliber with a .38 caliber cartridge conversion cylinder.
That was very good shooting. Yet another really interesting video, thank you very much.
Very accurate shots. I am amazed.
Amazing accuracy at 50 meters! Let's hear it for the Eras Gone By Bullets too!
I had a repo Remington 1858 in 44 caliber, I was nice indeed. But I have several 1862 Colts in 36 caliber, I think the Colts naturally point better than the Remington and I think the 36 is more accurate than the 44 caliber or at least in my experience.
A great historical video. Keep em up
Once again: Outstanding!
Thank you very much for posting that great video!
Good to see a new video from you, and especially one featuring the Navy Remington. It's a pleasure for all of us that share your passion! Do you plan to do a video with the same gun using round Ball? It would make an excellent comparison.
The Remington New Army has a very thick and stout mainspring which makes the shooter want to use both thumbs to cock it. I solved this by grinding half-thickness off the mainspring, and mine now Vicks as easily as the Colt Army and Navy models. There's still plenty of power to bust the caps, and though I stocked new mainsprings in case of breakage, The thinned springs have never broken once. I don't know if the original springs came this powerful, or if the high-powered springs are an artifact of replica manufacture.
Tack driver! Astonishing.
Great channel from Kansas City, Missouri
Capandball great video! If its possible can you do a video about Ottoman weapons of 19th century?
One day, in 150 years, someone's gonna make the same videos about IPhones x) !
Awesome video, as always. Always a pleasure to watch you, and those two revolvers are great !
From France with love !
Such neat historical pieces, excellent video!
So jealous. Finding repros of the Navy version is hard enough. Feel free to let your supporters know that I'd love to give that old Remmy a test drive.😀
As always, a great video!
My fist and shot once so far is the 1858 44. Pietta make, nice weapon but needed a bunch of de-burring!
Love the old Remingtons but take it easy on shooting old ladies.........
Mark says it is a 126 grain conical bullet. And the mold says 126 grain.
One word , ,"excellent"
Love those revolvers
Great video, I'm glad that as a pre-loaded gunman I can own such an excellent weapon ... ;)
Excellent video... Thank You !
Thank you for the interesting video.
I take it this one is .36 caliber? Thumb up for the video.
Outstanding video!
Hungry (Hungary) that's a country... LOOL I agree with Al Bundy, this 2 channels are the best!! You're doing a great job! Thanks from Guadeloupe (yeah! it is on the map too).
Great video, as usual.
Interesting, but they're not much different than the New Model Army.
What I would really love to see you do a video on is 1858 New Model Police revolvers, the 5 shot .36 caliber Remington's. They're uncommon, but I'm sure with your love of black powder guns, you'll come across one eventually and should NOT hesitate to get it so we can see them in action!
Another great video ... Danke Schön ... :-)
Nice video as usual.
Wonderful video. Thanks!
I love it. Sexy old guns
I love these guns!
Great show Thanks
Great video.
Impressive.
Very cool! I'd love a repro. Sadly, both Uberti and Pietta use the .44 caliber frames for their "Remington .36 Navy" revolvers.
Luckily I recently aquired an Armi San Pablo Remington Navy, which uses an authentically sized frame .
Alway enjoy your informative videos thank you.Shoe
A century and a half old and still putting them in the black! Impressive.
Where are you located at, also at times on different videos it look like you are a museum of sorts. IF SO where is that located as well Im wanting to go abroad to vacation. Thanks keep up the great work
Hungary. :)
bonjour
superbe arme , très bel essai , vraiment intéressant . bravo , et merci . a bientôt , bonjour de la France
With only 15 gr. Then it would be lighter than a 38 special. Twenty five or twenty seven gr. It kicks just as hard.
Great video you can try one balkan flintlock.They are great.
CBT, cap n ball testing
Very cool
Are you going to be participating in the challenge suggested by Duke Frazier?
Could you make a comparison of accuracy of old type revolver vs.new revolvers? Not a replica model, but new nitro powdered revolver with simmilar barell lenth, please?
1858 are the best
that was cool
Another great video that noone will make in the USA because they are "museum pieces". How do you get such pristine examples over in Hungary?
We have a few collectors who are focused on American arms.
it really hurts my soul to see how far Remingt*n has fallen. They went from making some of the finest guns on the North American continent to slopping together "firearms" that are not only have terrible fit and finish, but can also be hazardous to fire, and factory ammunition that can permanently damage a gun
What do you think of the Quality of the modern Uberti and Pietta Cap Guns Compared to your Original Cap Guns ?
Just a tip, "corps" is pronounced "core", and "fouling" is "fowling". English has wacky pronunciation sometimes.
True... but my Hungarian sucks.
Not a criticism; his English is great.
His English grammar is superb. He's probably book-learned and not taught by a person who speaks English as their primary language.
I have to admit I had excellent English teacher. The truth is that they had a very bad student :)
I suggested to my mom that we should have accent marks like in Spanish so it would be easier to pronounce words
I have read in several places that the New Model 36 Navy Remington had a smaller frame than the 44 Army. I know that the barrels on the Navy were slightly shorter. But in what other dimensions were the Navies smaller than the Armies? Can someone with an original New Model Navy tell me the dimensions of the cylinder diameter, barrel dimension across the flats, and the frame thickness near the hammer screw? I just purchased an Uberti New Model Navy Remington and would like to compare the dimensions.
By the way, I also read that the New Model Belt Revolver used the same frame size for both 44 and 36 caliber. I'd like to verify that someday also.
Hi Tom,
I have an original New Model Navy. It is an early one and although it is indeed a New Model, it has the old Beales cone foresight and the higher Beales hammer (as described). Everything else is New Model though, and no doubt they were just using up old parts in the early production runs.
Cylinder - 1.482 inches. Barrel - 0.703 inches near the cylinder and 0.656 at the muzzle. Frame thickness around the hammer screw area 0.794.
These are approximate - measuring across different flats on the barrel, for example, give you slightly different results. These were measured side to side. There is no blueing left on my gun, though, and the markings on the top of the barrel are worn very much like the ones in the video, so it's obviously had some wear.
I shoot mine regularly although I use a slightly stouter load and found 20.5 grains of Swiss 3F optimal with round ball.
I also have an original New Model in .44 and the dimensions of that are as follows:
Cylinder - 1.634 inches. Barrel 0.742 inches near the cylinder and 0.674 at the muzzle. Frame thickness around the hammer screw area 0.840
In short, everything about it seems just that little bit bigger. It's as if you took a picture of the .44 on the computer and shrank it down a few percent to get the .36.
I hope that's of some assistance to you.
@@robertstallard7836 Many thanks for the reply with measurements. It's apparent that the Uberti New Navy is an Army which is bored out for .36 shooting.
@@tomp7141 Great - glad you found it of help.
he calls all his guns old ladies
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