I think this is the first time I can directly point at a channel that has actually done something for me. I start at my new job on july 3rd as an entry level sys admin. I get paid 50k in Puerto Rico which is absolutely insane for this place. Seriously look up the wages here.. Anyways I leave my genuine thanks to this channel and god-speed everyone else! Study those questions and dont lie about your knowledge/abilities! You’ll save yourself the embarrassment.
That doesn't really make sense. The last thing most managers want is to be stuck in the hiring process. No one goes into an interview hoping to *not* hire a candidate. What a manager is looking for is not a reason to disqualify or reject you. What they are looking for is an indication that on average you're going to be a positive contributor in 3-6 months and to keep growing after that. The hiring manager doesn't want to lay you off or fire you in a few months and start the process over again.
@jackcarraway4707 That might be true in some cases and not true in others, but actual hiring managers are looking for people to hire. If they reject a candidate or candidates it's usually not because they want to reject them but because they don't want to go through the time-consuming process again in the near future if that candidate is a bad hire. Job searching stinks more than hiring, but hiring still stinks. If it didn't stink, then companies wouldn't pay recruiters to handle half the process for them. Managers don't want to do it except when the alternative is worse, so they try to avoid frivolous interviews. They are *not* looking for reasons to disqualify you at the interview stage. That's what recruiters and HR hiring specialists are for, to dusqualify candidates until only a handful of the best candidates remain. If a manager is spending more than 15 minutes with you, it's because you're being seriously considered by them as a possible hire. As with sny rule there will be some exceptions, managers who are obsessed with some standard of 97% purity or who get a rush out of being able to jerk a candidate around, but I've never worked with anyone who approached hiring that way.
One serious problem is that managers in the business world tend to be traditional. They aren't necessarily that bright, but they're managers because they followed the rules, and they're trying to gauge whether you'll follow their rules.
I’m 65, a metallurgist by trade, and I work in industrial sales. Many of my customers give me an unsolicited earful of why “nobody wants to work” or that “they can’t find suitable candidates”. Truth be told the majority of my customers (and for that matter, the majority of employers I’ve had) are as picky as basic Beckys on these dating apps, act like street hoodlums, and manage like frat houses. I can say unequivocally that I wouldn’t work for the vast majority of my customers if you held a gun to my head! I’m seeing a lot more of this clown world the last 4-5 years. I recently had coffee with a sharp and high energy young man I had met at a business luncheon. He described his recent job search as “throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing if it stuck”.
Amen, wrestling wild boars and herding cats is not appealing, specially if you have to do it barehanded and with the risk of being prosecuted if you "misbehave". I've been starting to learn this, most people are where they are because they act upon that same reality: that's not to say that everyone is stupid, there is certainly evil and capable people out there but on a regular basis, most are cluts within their own bubble of what is reality.
Requirements? No. Most are looking for people they would invite to a party. Or in Tech, since the hiring managers are all from India they are looking for Indians. We had one hiring manager who only hired people from Romania and even though they were all fluent in English they would hold meetings in Romanian. There is no such thing as valid hiring anymore. - it's all a joke. It has probably always been like that.
This is why I find it so frustrating when people tell others that they didn't get the job because they weren't good enough. Not necessarily saying they were the best candidate, but there is a lot of bias that is commonplace in hiring. No matter what companies say about not discriminating based on age or something else. It's strange that people love to say that the world is oppressive and unfair, yet act as if hiring is a complete meritocracy without any flaws, and if you did not get the job, then it's because well, you suck. It doesn't work that way.
Immigrants want to have a sense of community. I know a lot of small companies that are owned by immigrants that prefer to serve their own community. Most customers or clients share the same nationality as the owner or employees of that company.
A lot of hiring managers are irrational. They hire based on fit rather than skill because if the employee fits then it’s unlikely they will quit their jobs anytime soon. They used to have a saying in the office that “the best never last.” Skillful employees are likely to be free agents and will take better opportunities if given to them which risks adverse managers cannot accept. I remember working for an emotionally needy unstable manager and she really tried to guilt trip me and other employees not to quit but the inevitable will always happen. In this day of age managers need to face the reality that every hire may not stay around long so it’s good to have a contingency plan when people quit on them!
I must admit, your bluntness about this topic is quite remarkable. Calling hiring managers ‘ego-driven’, ‘risk-averse’, ‘being choosy depending on how competitive the labour market is’ is very forthright. You certainly don’t mince your words and you’re definitely not a typical TH-camr, the one that’s always diplomatic and careful with what they say. It’s very useful for us candidates, because of your background as a recruiter and your ‘inside’ knowledge. But it may not work in your favour if you’re looking to get hired yourself… not that you’d care as I’m guessing you’re self-employed now 😀. Thanks for the brilliant insight, please make more videos like this!
TH-camrs with more than 100k subscribers-he has going on 200k subscribers-can be self employed. Plus he does more one on one meetings, program signups, etc.
Unicorns candidates have good memory. They will remember for the next 10 years or more that you rejected them while they work for your competition.
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I work in IT, on interviews companies usually focus on some niche technical skill which you would learn in a month, and select candidate based on that. Funny enough, they are not usually unhappy about technical skills of people, but their communication skills and ability to finish things, like "Yes, we have fired last 3 people because they started 10 things and finished nothing and yes, we will not take this into consideration and again focus on some niche detail of technical ability which has nothing to do with reason why last 3 people on this position left".
Plus in IT they only hire people from India anyway. Anyone else who get an interview is just there to fill the quota for interviews - they have no chance of getting the job. Bet at this since 1999 and it's gotten more and more blattent to the point where recruiters don't even hide it.
Oh man, the number of "entry level" jobs I see with dozens of niche required skills, or has requirements like YAML, as if you can't pick that up as you go.
This is because in IT there are a lot of inexperienced hiring managers and HR people, so they hire based on checking the bullets on their laundry list instead of doing a proper interview and post-analysis of the candidate.
What these people don't take into consideration is if you're intelligent enough to have earned X degree or certification, you're probably intelligent enough to pick up on what they want out of you just from experiencing the work without going through earning a piece of paper for that very specific thing first.
Sadly there are still hiring managers that discriminate against people based on their race, religious views, nationality, sexual orientation, political views, disability, health conditions, being "too old" to work, family background, marital status, marriage planning and family planning.
I don't know how people can complain about health and age discrimination. Does it make sense to you to hire someone that will retire soon (if the work requires years on the job to become effective) or will be capable of only doing their job half the time? That's just reality.
Got interviewed with a company . Job description matches my resumes and all the requirements . Interview went well and all of sudden they went ghost . No emails no phone calls . So ashame companies treat future employees with no integrity
Welcome to my life for the past 6 month. You wait and wait to see if you’re moving on to the next step , by the time 2 weeks come your start to lose faith and forget about that interview.. keep applying eventually 1 is going to get you . Good luck
when they do that I find them on glassdoor and detail the outcome. But by ghost I assume you mean they just drop you and refuse to reply to a request for update on the application progress after you attended an interview in person. to be honest its rare i see that.. happened to me once.
Companies often interview perfect candidates, but they need to do that to meet a minimum number of candidates because of policy. They may already know who they're going to hire, but they need to go through the theatrics and interview additional people.
I just looked at a job requirement expecting 8-10 years of Selenium and Cucumber experience. These are "stepping stone" tools that only someone who let their career stagnate would use for 8-10 years.
And even with so many rounds of interviews from many applicants, the hiring department will quietly promote from within the department because they have this person earmarked for the position. They they will advertise a new job for that vacant position and start over again. It is a sickening cycle!
I used to work in a manufacturing company and the main thing I found for hiring managers was how little they knew about the job they were filling. They'd ignore specific requirements, assuming that accommodations could be made then refuse to consider better choices because they wanted to hyper focus on irrelevant minutiae. Frustrating as hell, I'll tell you that for free.
I experience a bit of the opposite in corporate roles. Alot of "our employees all know basic excel so you need to know 2+ coding languages to make up for the lack of skill here. And you're all equal even though you will be smarter than them. It's unprofessional to point it out."
At this point I might just become an Influencer and start a business down the line because that is much easier than getting something in this tough job market.
Getting psst the recruiter is the easy part. It's getting past the interview with the hiring manager. The interviews seem to go well, but I never hear back.
Just had a recruiter call me...and with recruiter calls...I get annoyed with the "why would you want to work with us." My response, "you called me, why would I be interested in your role?"
That's exactly what I said as well. When you reach out and apply to a company, you don't have much flexibility in terms of what you can say compared to when their recruiter reaches out to you.
We can be picky as well. I had a job lined up last year. Phone interview that was it. Once i went to the job I decided I didn't want it. Pay was really good.
Got an interview on Wednesday its for a pet shop so pretty competitive but I think I have an edge with my qualifications and experience I only didn't get to an interview before because I backed out of applying Turns out I may be one of the first chosen for interview Edit: I got the job!!! Start in two weeks
Best of luck! But keep applying to other jobs. I've been told I'm their first pick just for them to tell me the position was placed on hold for additional funding.
@asadb1990 true that I've already got a qualification in animal care and three years experience with different animals I'm going to mention my interest in dog nutrition as that's a huge topic currently
@ramy8700 thank you! I've applied to a few buy this one I'm hopeful for My friend works there already so I get good insight into how good it is She told me they'd initially picked two but wouldn't say who as she didn't know but it may have been me Hopefully I impress them
And yet…and yet, for whatever made up reason, no one can never just explicitly ask a hiring manager, “what’s your biggest fear or concern with hiring the wrong person? Let’s lay it all out because I would be able to understand your needs if you were to lay your cards on the table” The interview would stop then and there.
But you can ask that same question positively, to some extent - "what should I have achieved in 18 months that would make you say 'that was a great hire'"
@@panemetcircenses6003 sure, but, the question could be interpreted in different ways and the really big issue I have with job interviews is how indirect questions are rare. Both sides are forced to feel things out and work to extract meaning from “polite” discussion.
Great video! What about companies that interview candidates but have no real intention to hire? Is this really a skills mismatch or egregious recruitment practices? I.e. to obtain free labor/consulting advice.
Could be an h1-b visa scam to interview Americans then say no one is qualified. This would allow the company to apply for h1-b slaves. I've seen this done before. The evil boss had no intention to hire anyone. He was just interviewing to say that no one fit the criteria. He had already decided to hire h1-b.
I have seen these interviews used for free consulting many times in the structural engineering profession. I started outing them publicly. They hate it.
Exactly, job hunting and dating are really just crapshoots. In both cases, I just kept winging it till one day I succeeded. All the preparations beforehand didn't really help and only made me more nervous. Besides, they never tell you the real reason why it didn't work out.
Hard disagree. You can get something out of dating and not give your best. Job searching is worse because you sink in hours on prep only to get absolutely nothing back. A date would at least look you in the eye and say “thanks for the night…it’s not going to work”. Employers…good luck getting them to even piss on your corpse.
Last year, I interviewed for teaching positions and one school liked me and I liked them. They didn’t pick me despite the shortage. Another school did take me before the school year started. The school I wanted called me back 7 weeks into the school year and I told them no. Hiring managers need to understand that even if the labor market isn’t tight, people move on. If you let it go for 2 months or more, we will move on unless we’re really desperate or you’re our number 1 target. And even then, we might move on.
Using this logic no one will ever move up. Just moving from one company to the next doing the same thing. I do not understand the labor market at all right now.
I gave up trying to figure it out. The time between interviews may last longer than the actual job. Had that happen numerous times. Then these employers get angry when they are outed for doing that.
You may want to try doing what I did to move up to a job I wanted. I wanted to work for a certain company. They were hiring, but things were slow. Later on I heard that they were even scared to hire one person things were that unstable economically. I interviewed and got turned down. I then got a job in fast food. It was the first job offered to me and I had bills to pay. So fast food it was. Then the brakes on my car went out and I got a job at a gas station within walking distance of where I lived. One day I was talking to a friend and was telling him about how I wanted to work for the company I applied for, but got turned down. He said that they were expanding and to try again. So I had a positive attitude and applied again. I got the job. In about 6 months, I will hit my 2 year anniversary there. A few weeks ago, I was offered a manager position at a fast food place. I took it. They reviewed my experience at the fast food place I used to work at the most. Luckily I left the first fast food place I worked at on good terms. Good enough that recently when I went to eat there and I saw my old boss, I thanked him for giving me a job when I needed it the most. He said that if I ever need to work there again, that I had a job waiting for me. Just a thought. Take what it is worth.
Many, not all, hiring managers have no idea. Many people are versatile. You can have an IT geek who is potentially a great salesperson, or a plumber who’d excel at being an electrician. Good managers can see the potential but unfortunately there are many managers out there who only go by text.
And they go will restructure departments and get rid of good customers to accommodate bad existing employees.Half of my high paying role is cleaning up messes left by other highly paid people being useless, and we all pretend it's normal
So relatable. I was the only candidate for a senior Director role. 8 weeks from first showing an interest in the position through to 2nd interview. Both interviews went so well and I was complimented. Then two days after 2nd interview the Partners changed the job spec - stated I did not have direct experience in XYZ International Standard - I didn't - but the job spec specifically said that that was NOT required and extensive stakeholder management was the most important aspect and I had bucket loads of stakeholder management experience and they recognised that. So at the last stage post they reversed on their own job spec requirements. So I didn't get the job and I was the only candidate.
I have been having some interviews and I often have the feeling they are looking for Steve Jobs, 300/400 applications done on Linkedin, and after 1 month, they renew the ad and keep interviewing for the same position, when I am perfect for the role, and maybe need a few weeks of training to learn their things and then ready to go.
Companies leave positions unfilled while waiting for the "perfect" applicant. Meanwhile they're putting that workload on their existing employees. When those employees leave for greener pastures companies play dumb, acting like they have no idea why nobody stays. Then when the doors close, rather than say, I should have hired some of the qualified applicants, they say "nobody wants to work anymore".
I’m my experience the recruiters are not overly picky, and overall have a very good sense at who would be a good candidate for a position. It’s the future boss that is making the decision that can eliminate candidates for the most absurd reasons. As an intern at a non-profit, my boss was discussing hiring my replacement and she said “that last girl was way too pretty to work here. I don’t want to hire anyone that cute.” So yeah, ANY garbage reason, even if you are completely qualified and motivated to get the job done.
Lol luck is part of the equation when job hunting! I've thought about that same thing for me but there are other reasons why they chose you and you should remember that.
In my experience, you don’t want to work for a picky hiring manager for the same reasons you don’t want to work for a cheap client; they’re usually impossible to please. They are likely to have unrealistic expectations, and will make your life miserable. This is no way to live or work. Warm up your network. Go meet amazing people. Start a business or volunteer somewhere. Focus on being a great human so you can connect to other great humans. Join professional associations. It takes more time, but if you get work through your network and trusting relationships you will work with good people. Allowing yourself to be commoditized or marginalized by petty people who lack the talent to understand what you have to offer is a dead end road. Know your worth!
A video about how hiring managers can contribute positively to the hiring process would be super interesting! Also some general advice for hiring managers. (I know it's not your channels target, but might make life easier for a couple of people.)
Here's a related video idea: hiring manager job titles. Basic stuff like supervisor vs manager vs director vs VP... Any stand out things we should know about specific industries we may be applying in? How often do they hire ICs vs sub-management, and do they tend to hire ICs differently? For instance, I'm a software dev and I've always had a manager as a boss. My brother has had two employers and at both manager was 2 or 3 levels above ICs. Another example is apparently in finance, the VP title gets used for non-executives. I interviewed with I think Citibank, for a principal/staff dev role and if I got it I would have gotten a VP title.
Honestly thought you were going to follow up the "smartest person in the room" comment with something like "well they're hiring managers so that will never be the case."
Please appreciate this guy's radiophonic VOICE 😍 I'm not really looking for another job, but I stumbled on his videos and I put them on, just to relax 😅😅😅
As an IT person looking for a new job, I must provide evidence by creating a home lab and screen video capturing new skills I learned and demonstrating that I have the skills to do the job by providing them evidence. Kevin Tech from his TH-cam channel and Linkedin suggest discussing it during the interview and posting a link on the video demonstrating that I have the knowledge to do the job. I will be working on a home lab soon, so I will have a better chance of getting a job offer.
I find I normally have huge experience of even the "nice to haves" and still get told no. Really, you have so many other Mandarin speaking AI graduates with 15 years of product experience serving billions of users, and a background in JavaScript and C#, who knows cyber security inside out? P*** off.
I think it's about time to stop looking for jobs... and start looking for clients. The car example was good, the problem is that managers being picky is like going to buy an Aston Martin willing to pay for a Toyota.
The great fear of people with business degrees is that the guy with a high school degree may have just enough ambition and talent enough to become the rock star that runs circles around all the people that went to the right schools and know the right people and make them look bad.
As a comfortable liar and secretly disabled employee aware of disability, unionization, and safety rights and protections against retaliation for exercising said rights, I LOVE picky hiring managers, and recruiters working for picky (and vapid) hiring managers LOVE ME! Here's what happens typically, first I need the fucking job. So I see this agency listing with a decent salary and I buff up my resume to look like a good fit on paper. Remember, recruiters often don't understand the nuances of the "perfect candidate" either so its surprisingly easy to get through that gate, especially when they desperately want to present a candidate forward and be done with that damn HM for the week or two, as is often the case. In such a case, the recruiter will basically feed me the info I need to know, and/or I'll do my best to wrangle it out of him/her, which is not much of a challenge given the situation. Buff up the resume even more, get my google-fu on and get ready for a massive BS session. Show up early, be nice, personable and polite to EVERYONE I meet, check all the boxes and get past the skeezewad filter of HR. Shoot the shit with HM, at this point he's probably desperate so he's basically feeding me the correct answers. "Have you ever used X-software before?" "Sure have! Got years of X-XP under mah belt!" "You OK with Y?" "I fucking love Y! I would not be here today if it weren't for the challenges presented by Y." I love it when they softball it for me and I hit it out of the park, those are my favorite. At the end of the interview I let the HM know that I really like what I've seen, who I've met and am interested in the job, but I am interviewing with [insert far more interesting and high profile company here] so I would appreciate an answer soon, make sure to tell the HM this not the recruiter. I then act as if I've lost interest, act standoffish or vague, as if I'm trying to balance the other job offer with this one. I then push hard on salary, benefits and other fringes. After salary, you could always ask for additional vacation days to match offer from competing job or current one. Request flexible scheduling, WFH, Day 1 healthcare benefits (don't listen to them when they say they can't do it, it's just a single call or email to their benefits coordinator), lunch budget, company car, etc. Once you've convinced them that you're that unicorn you'll be amazed at the amount of pull you'll have in negotiating. Once hired, you'll either rock it or you won't, but you probably won't be bad enough to fire, just not as good as you initially presented yourself in the interview. Blame everything else, politely, but still do it. Onboarding is a heavily buggy and disorganized process, say you haven't been trained in Z procedure or that it was inadequate, that you're software is buggy, that your single missing credential here or there is seriously hampering your ability to do work, etc. Either you'll catch up or you won't. When you don't and your boss gives you a verbal for the first time, go back to your desk and cc'ing HR, request an accommodation for your invisible disability from your boss. It could be additional training, your own office, WFH as needed, etc. Your disability can be virtually anything, ADHD, bi-polar, anxiety, dyslexia, hearing impaired, autism spectrum, you name it, any doctor will diagnose it with the right acting. Now you have protection as a disabled employee and your tenure at the job should easily blow passed the recruiters backfill period, making replacing you much more expensive AND risky. Next, once a week start paying careful attention to ANYTHING potentially hazardous in the workplace, a loose rail, loose tile, dimly lit area, water in bathroom sink too hot, etc. Report your concern to site manager with your boss cc'd. Now you're protected as an employee that voiced concern with a potential workplace hazard = double protection. Finally, work really inefficently towards unionizing your workplace, just do something that involves talk or topic of unionizing with at least a few blabber mouth employees. Triple protection as employee that has worked towards organizing workplace. You'll have a target on your back, but they'll have to come up with a really good reason to fire you while you're getting paid well and enjoying awesome benefits. Anyway, you never want to stay at a job longer than 5 years. Get back on Indeed and rinse and repeat, you should see an average raise of about 10-15% per year doing this method.
Any ideas what to put for a job application when they require your address, knowing you may never hear a call back? I don't want to give my info away for free, so I usually just put the address to my local Menards. Any feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks.
You need the exact requirements cause they don't or can't waste time to train you. They want to see more candidate even though you found a good match because the match $ expectations were to high.
No one is a 100% perfect fit. Great leaders and managers can train someone who isn't a perfect fit. They can also recognize talent and potential more easily. It reflects more poorly on the hiring manager and their lack of ability to train people when it takes them 6 months to "find" a candidate.
A former boss explained to me that hiring people are like a lottery. You dont know who is a good choice and who arent. Someone might look like a good choice on paper but in reality that aint always the case.
Last year I went on an interview (data science) where the panel gave the vibe that they were unsure about me. It was quite unprofessional. I turned down their offer because they didn't show me that they would be supportive to my success if I took the role. Sometimes they focus too much on if the candidate is their fit vs if they are an attractive team. The hiring manager and I got along well though - it was the leadership that ruined it. The job stayed open for a year before they closed it and the hiring manager got a demotion to another department. He went from senior analyst to coordinator. 😬
@kristenmoonrise yeah i had a job i interviewed for and got offer. The hiring manager loved me. And understood i knew the daily work. What ruined it was the inhouse hr/recruiter being super pushy for me to join them in office even though i said i would need 2 months as this was gonna be a cross country move. Never even provided a proper offer letter. And i had to call/text everytime to get a response. I was like im not this desparate yet.
@@asadb1990 OMG Yes. It's like they're expecting you to be desperate enough to ignore their unprofessionalism. I had to tell that to the HR of that job who was trying to get me to reconsider. I flat out told her I didn't have to beg. But, in the end them showing off their red flags is a good thing! I hope you've found something way better.
@@kristenmoonrise my worst experience was interviewing with florida employers. They would book an interview through the recruiter and roughly book a week. And then the week would pass and would hear someone went on vacation. Ok fine, rebook when they get back. Then a few weeks pass nothing. I follow up again and recruiter says "oh i think they said they were no longer interested". Like bs you knew exactly whats going on. This happened several times. They would book interviews and either not book exact time or move the date forward weeks without a single response. If i was a us citizen, i wouldn't bother followup. Im a canadian citizen, and wanted to move to florida and was very excited but not desparate.
@@asadb1990 Wow how unprofessional. I'm in Texas but you couldn't pay me to live in Florida (yes I understand the irony of that lol). That's definitely a sign to stay away from them. I got so annoyed with the job market that I realized my current job isn't so bad, and I've started an LLC on the side. It feels way better. I have no patience for all the chasing.
A lot of people now have raised their standards with everything, which is good and bad. Hiring managers are looking to weed out a lot of people. So, too, should applicants be a LOT more discerning when applying to companies. Postings that don’t list a salary range or have a vague or confusing description of responsibilities are no-no’s for me now. Hiring managers are human, so they’re still prone to biases and odd and unrelated decisions…many unconsciously. Appreciate this channel, it’s helped me a lot and sounds like others as well. Wishing everyone well in their job searches.
Perfect example of this 6:09 Where companies assume I can’t do a job…. I’ve been in kitchens for 14yrs. Now, I want to change careers…. Going into the ministry. I was interviewed for a tax filing, 401(c) company for churches/ministers etc. Not sure why I was called in for an interview…I only accepted because I was referred to the job by friend (on a favor). But I thought ‘oh geez, I haven’t had a sit down job in 14yrs! I would have NO CLUE what I was doing’! 😩🤣 No, I didn’t get the job and I assumed that and was ok 🤣 Experience never hurts though. Possible future connection? 🤔
Honestly, the best way to hire is to shoulder tap and hire people that you've already worked with and/or trust. Its always a roll of the dice when you put up a job posting and take whoever comes through the door.
The right person for the right job in this modern technology pace is never possible. By the time you get hired technology has changed again. The interesting thing is that really good unicorn candidates won't even bother to work in that place anymore, you always end up with below average candidates.
Sometimes we are picky because the recruitment agent has put little to no effort to put suitable candidates infront of us. Spray and pray. I work in radio frequency electronic circuit design, and the number of times we have had resumes from candidates who install TV arials (and yes that's technically radio frequency design) is unreal. Such candidates would never be able to make a useful contribution.
I've been forced to resign. It was a bit nerving as I worked late hours from 10AM to 3AM everyday, including weekends since January 2023 and still this happened. We delivered pretty much exactly what they want. Having said this, I'm interviewing actively and it is all going good. After clearing all 5 to 6 rounds interviews, companies would say " we are not moving forward. We liked the in-depth discussion and your grasp on knowledge. We don't have any feedback for you" And this is really funny and saddening at the same time. Hoping for the best and wish everyone gets prosperous.
I get the feeling this channel is more for white collar work, but I like to hear myself talk so I'll comment anyway. I've had experiences like what Brian describes, and to me it seems like the size of the company makes the most difference. Over a decade ago, at an electroplating company, I applied for a robot operator job. My interviewers were three people from HR, and their series of questions were so unrelated to the job that I wondered if they were mixing me up with another job candidate. More recently I was hired at a machine shop where we make feed screws. My interviewer was one guy in dirty work clothes and he runs the place. My takeaway: Work for a smaller company if you can. I know that's not possible for lots of careers, but I think its a good choice for those that can.
This channel is mostly about professional, White-Collard, Middle-Class type careers and jobs, my friend. Brian covers a lot of subjects and topics for the working professionals.
I agree with you. Not everyone is a bean counter, a computer jockey, or a money shuffler. Content creators need to give some air time to the blue collar workers and trades people. I also agree with you. The smaller companies are the way to go. One needs to know the owners names.
One of the things that have helped me in my working career is knowing when I was hired that how I performed reflected on the person who hired me. Therefore, I did my best to not let them down or make them look bad. It is a simple thing, but I went from a older temp who they expected to last a week or two on the factory floor to becoming a student in the company leadership training course in about a year. I had the least seniority of everyone in the class by far. Then Covid hit.
I’d very interested in a video about those anonymous employee surveys companies send out about once a year. Is there any merit to doing them? What exactly are they looking for?
Hi, I wasn't sure where to ask this and this title hit home with me but I wanted to know about blackballing. I had three jobs in the last 3 months and I quit because of bullying. The first job was fast food. I had my first mental breakdown ever and I was unhinged because they were manipulating and harassing me. Through that I believe they thought I was trying to fire people but it was a major mix up due to lack of self control. Then the second job was fast food and they started to bully me about specific things that only the first restaurant knew about. I took notes and didn't execute it right cause when I tried to get lawyers involved they would back off. Then the last job I had began to try and bully me about the same things again but I stood up, then they just gas lite me and I had to quit that job as well. I also atthe time had a case for unemployment as well sooo I am sure that played in some how. It seems complex and it probably is but I just don't know what to do.
What you may be referring to to is a bad work history. If you job hop, get fired, etc it catches up to you. It is that way for everyone. Might I suggest that you get some therapy to help you sort things out? From reading your comment, it seems like it would be a good idea.
B. Since I been following your channel, I can honestly say each one of your videos is the blunt truth. I recently had a video interview based on your resume rocket fuel. Thanks again. It went well, but I turned it down after reading reviews on Indeed this company had a crappy work life balance. A lot of 1 or 2. Also, they had a technical assessment that I found a little bizarre for this remote job. I am studying cybersecurity and software engineering and I found this assessment a bit odd. I thanked the rec. but passed on evaluations based on current or former employers. Taking a page what you say, "You have to be a free agent. Keep up the good work.
It has nothing to do with Marketing Yourself lol :- 1. Too many entry roles - too many highly educated/practised/qualified people out there eg: Overqualified 2. Too many decision makers involved in hiring process 3. The fact so many companies create fake jobs/interviews to see 'what's available' means they are amateurs, 4. The interview process is too draining -candidates hate being messed about thus are pulling out of multiple stages. 5. Hiring Managers are obviously selecting lower educated candidates - result = zero competition.
I just receive a call from a recruters while listening to that video. The recruter was saying I could do the job and I had all the formation but the manager asked for two years experience. She sighed because of that.
One time had a hiring manager ask me a question so outside the qualifications of the job description that the answer I gave him was correct but even that didn't get me the job. When I gave him the answer, he thought I didn't answer it at all. I could tell within literally five minutes into the interview and the question I wasn't going to get the job. The thing that got me the most was this hiring manager had 20+ years of experience in the field I was applying for. Just comes to show, first impressions with a hiring manager and how much they like you is practically everything.
I'd like to comment on an observation of mine. Unfortunately negative one regarding recruiters. If I print them the job description they are hiring for and I ask them line by line what this means and could they give an example, I am pretty sure most of them aren't going to be able to give good description of what that means in day to day life. How then can you be the screening people? Makes absolutely no sense. And I don't think that's just a random observation.
the short answer is your just a name on a large stack of resumes. you and 100 other people are applying for the same job that alone makes it hard to get a job even if its a crappy one
Theres always the option (at least in uk) of filing an information request to retrieve every scrap of notes taken pre/during/post the interview by the company
Every now and again.. I see really crazy crazy low offers for very high skill level. Not sure if they're successful in their recruiting. Example.. software dev role.. pretty advanced skills set (JS frameworks etc..) , state that its a "junior" role despite these very advanced skills. Pay: around 23,000USD - 27,000USD equiv. Absolutely not negotiable on skills .. Apparently.. I think... sure, ok then ... good luck with that (secretly hoping they fail to find anyone at their rate otherwise I'd need to change career :) )
@@batboy555 yes, I think you're right.. seems to be the smaller firms that have this idea that people who learn these technologies can be hired for the price of an office admin role (although not universal of course..)... having worked in these firms I know they charge client around 90/hr'ish (USD equiv).
Are they picky, though? In an occupation that is understaffed nationally, like Mental Health, hiring managers can't afford to be picky. There are more jobs than applicants so whoever they get is all they have to work with.
CHINESE/RECRUITMENT WHISPERS Line Manager: Would be NICE if they also have some exposure to "A", "B", "C" or "D" Recruitment Manager: SHOULD have direct experience of some of "A", "B", "C" or "D" Recruitment Agency: MUST have 3 years experience of "A", "B", "C" AND "D" When I was a contractor I was in the top few percentile of a computing field and never met anyone who would come anywhere close to the advertised requirements for fairly junior roles in that or similar fields. Yet, from experience, if you were to ask the line manager who created the original spec they would say "I don't need all, if any, of that stuff".
Question: I only have a national diploma in biotechnology with only my internship year as experience. Then I have 8 years experience in NPO treasury functions (bookkeeping/accounting learned on the job plus did a Udemy course on it). The NPO is a controversial group that by mentioning it potential employers will get scared off. I can't leave that off can I? I have 6 months experience working front office at a school. I also recently realized I have CPTSD. I know not to mention marital status or kids. But how do I approach my experience on my resume at the NPO? Scientology. 😭
I’ve been on both sides of this myself, and it’s not nice, but I get it. It’s actually quite difficult to hire a person who can communicate clearly, show up to work and work, and be competent. During the interview process, There are some real losers, a lot of iffy people, and very few stars. I’m no longer a hiring manager myself, but I am often called upon to review resumes, participate in panel interviews, and offer critical input on decisions. On panel interviews is very often a unanimous decision in our candidate selection. It basically comes down to this: Can you communicate clearly. Do you speak well, and is your resume logical and readable Are you a good fit. Seems easy, but we don’t look for seat fillers. Is the background and experience fit for the job. This may be more on the recruiter just throwing bodies at a position, but 40%or more of rejections are simply poor fit. Meaning, if we need a network guy, we don’t really care too much about their database expertise, or background in art. Then the other topics kick in. Does salary fit, is the commute reasonable, etc etc.
I know the job I am posting, the culture of the company, funders expectations, etc. While you may be capable of the job, some roles require thicker skins or specific personalities.
They don't even hire quality people they hire lazy, never show up lame people... One guy i worked with told me the recruiter was trying to low ball him in money... He had been working at Food Lion for 11 years and his dad in meat for 40 years...
Manager here. My HR isn't even getting me people I want. I'm a payroll manager and need a payroll specialist. I have told them as long as they understand payroll and can learn software fast I can work with someone who never used our software. I got approval from corporate for two people and my HR is trying to stick to one.
The real reason is they can't make a decision. The top people never have issues finding a job in any job market. The job market for software developers is better then in 2008, and a 1000 times better then in 2000.
As long as a bunch of mediocre applicants are willing to jump through all those hoops, hiring managers will keep giving them a bunch of hoops to jump through.
Hiring Managers:. You can't hire 1 person to be the pit crew and drive at the same time and expect them to win the race, let alone finish. Just because some roles are related doesn't mean you can combine them.
I just went through a job search, the biggest roadblock I ran in to was the recruiter reached out and they seemed interested in pushing me through to an interview but then I’d never hear back after they give my info to the hiring manager. Fortunately of the two interviews I did get, one resulted in an offer I accepted
I'm a creative, and I noticed that some design directors love to get high off the smell of their own farts because they think they're God's gift's to their profession, and are looking for someone to stroke their egos.
I work in a room with a HR of our company, and yeah she's so picky that sometimes I don't know how I've managed to get through her so easily 😂 cannot believe all the other guys was much worse
I think this is the first time I can directly point at a channel that has actually done something for me. I start at my new job on july 3rd as an entry level sys admin. I get paid 50k in Puerto Rico which is absolutely insane for this place. Seriously look up the wages here..
Anyways I leave my genuine thanks to this channel and god-speed everyone else! Study those questions and dont lie about your knowledge/abilities! You’ll save yourself the embarrassment.
Nicely done! Congrats on the new job!
@@ALifeAfterLayoff It's all thanks to you Brian. Man out here doing God's work.
Remember, managers use interviews to look for reasons to NOT hire you and they will use the pettiest of reasons to not pick you.
Wish I can like this comment 200x
That doesn't really make sense. The last thing most managers want is to be stuck in the hiring process. No one goes into an interview hoping to *not* hire a candidate.
What a manager is looking for is not a reason to disqualify or reject you. What they are looking for is an indication that on average you're going to be a positive contributor in 3-6 months and to keep growing after that. The hiring manager doesn't want to lay you off or fire you in a few months and start the process over again.
@@thevoxdeustrust me there’s a lot of petty people. They might not like the way you look or even your age etc
@@thevoxdeusThis labor market exposed the fact companies use applications for data mining purposes.
@jackcarraway4707 That might be true in some cases and not true in others, but actual hiring managers are looking for people to hire. If they reject a candidate or candidates it's usually not because they want to reject them but because they don't want to go through the time-consuming process again in the near future if that candidate is a bad hire.
Job searching stinks more than hiring, but hiring still stinks. If it didn't stink, then companies wouldn't pay recruiters to handle half the process for them. Managers don't want to do it except when the alternative is worse, so they try to avoid frivolous interviews.
They are *not* looking for reasons to disqualify you at the interview stage. That's what recruiters and HR hiring specialists are for, to dusqualify candidates until only a handful of the best candidates remain. If a manager is spending more than 15 minutes with you, it's because you're being seriously considered by them as a possible hire.
As with sny rule there will be some exceptions, managers who are obsessed with some standard of 97% purity or who get a rush out of being able to jerk a candidate around, but I've never worked with anyone who approached hiring that way.
One serious problem is that managers in the business world tend to be traditional. They aren't necessarily that bright, but they're managers because they followed the rules, and they're trying to gauge whether you'll follow their rules.
Spot on!!!
That reminds me to someone I know, it explains plenty also: in the corporate world certain personalities seem to succeed just for hoovering around.
I’m 65, a metallurgist by trade, and I work in industrial sales. Many of my customers give me an unsolicited earful of why “nobody wants to work” or that “they can’t find suitable candidates”.
Truth be told the majority of my customers (and for that matter, the majority of employers I’ve had) are as picky as basic Beckys on these dating apps, act like street hoodlums, and manage like frat houses. I can say unequivocally that I wouldn’t work for the vast majority of my customers if you held a gun to my head!
I’m seeing a lot more of this clown world the last 4-5 years.
I recently had coffee with a sharp and high energy young man I had met at a business luncheon. He described his recent job search as “throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing if it stuck”.
Awesome insight. I can relate to your comment, because I have observed similarities regards the customer expectations. Thank you for sharing.
Amen, wrestling wild boars and herding cats is not appealing, specially if you have to do it barehanded and with the risk of being prosecuted if you "misbehave". I've been starting to learn this, most people are where they are because they act upon that same reality: that's not to say that everyone is stupid, there is certainly evil and capable people out there but on a regular basis, most are cluts within their own bubble of what is reality.
Tubal Cain, huh? Interesting choice of name…
@@AstavyastataaI’m a metallurgist. Tubalcain was the father of metalworkers, Genesis chapter 4.
@@tubalcain6874 indeed. It’s an apt choice.
Requirements? No. Most are looking for people they would invite to a party. Or in Tech, since the hiring managers are all from India they are looking for Indians. We had one hiring manager who only hired people from Romania and even though they were all fluent in English they would hold meetings in Romanian. There is no such thing as valid hiring anymore. - it's all a joke. It has probably always been like that.
This is why I find it so frustrating when people tell others that they didn't get the job because they weren't good enough. Not necessarily saying they were the best candidate, but there is a lot of bias that is commonplace in hiring. No matter what companies say about not discriminating based on age or something else. It's strange that people love to say that the world is oppressive and unfair, yet act as if hiring is a complete meritocracy without any flaws, and if you did not get the job, then it's because well, you suck. It doesn't work that way.
Indians don't help other Indians tbh
That manager was an asshole. If you have mixed teams the default should be English even if the majority is something else, like Romanians in this case
Yes glad u said that. It's not about abilities anymore it's about whether you are one of them or you're attractive in the hiring managers' eyes.
Immigrants want to have a sense of community. I know a lot of small companies that are owned by immigrants that prefer to serve their own community. Most customers or clients share the same nationality as the owner or employees of that company.
A lot of hiring managers are irrational. They hire based on fit rather than skill because if the employee fits then it’s unlikely they will quit their jobs anytime soon. They used to have a saying in the office that “the best never last.” Skillful employees are likely to be free agents and will take better opportunities if given to them which risks adverse managers cannot accept. I remember working for an emotionally needy unstable manager and she really tried to guilt trip me and other employees not to quit but the inevitable will always happen. In this day of age managers need to face the reality that every hire may not stay around long so it’s good to have a contingency plan when people quit on them!
I must admit, your bluntness about this topic is quite remarkable. Calling hiring managers ‘ego-driven’, ‘risk-averse’, ‘being choosy depending on how competitive the labour market is’ is very forthright. You certainly don’t mince your words and you’re definitely not a typical TH-camr, the one that’s always diplomatic and careful with what they say. It’s very useful for us candidates, because of your background as a recruiter and your ‘inside’ knowledge. But it may not work in your favour if you’re looking to get hired yourself… not that you’d care as I’m guessing you’re self-employed now 😀. Thanks for the brilliant insight, please make more videos like this!
TH-camrs with more than 100k subscribers-he has going on 200k subscribers-can be self employed. Plus he does more one on one meetings, program signups, etc.
Unicorns candidates have good memory. They will remember for the next 10 years or more that you rejected them while they work for your competition.
I work in IT, on interviews companies usually focus on some niche technical skill which you would learn in a month, and select candidate based on that. Funny enough, they are not usually unhappy about technical skills of people, but their communication skills and ability to finish things, like "Yes, we have fired last 3 people because they started 10 things and finished nothing and yes, we will not take this into consideration and again focus on some niche detail of technical ability which has nothing to do with reason why last 3 people on this position left".
Plus in IT they only hire people from India anyway. Anyone else who get an interview is just there to fill the quota for interviews - they have no chance of getting the job. Bet at this since 1999 and it's gotten more and more blattent to the point where recruiters don't even hide it.
Oh man, the number of "entry level" jobs I see with dozens of niche required skills, or has requirements like YAML, as if you can't pick that up as you go.
@@MissPlaced84reminds me of an advice on when to use XML: when writing resumes
This is because in IT there are a lot of inexperienced hiring managers and HR people, so they hire based on checking the bullets on their laundry list instead of doing a proper interview and post-analysis of the candidate.
What these people don't take into consideration is if you're intelligent enough to have earned X degree or certification, you're probably intelligent enough to pick up on what they want out of you just from experiencing the work without going through earning a piece of paper for that very specific thing first.
Sadly there are still hiring managers that discriminate against people based on their race, religious views, nationality, sexual orientation, political views, disability, health conditions, being "too old" to work, family background, marital status, marriage planning and family planning.
that is truth!
They sure do. I just thank God the rejection was protection.
Don’t want to be working for any company running in that typa time.
The age one is valid. Old people have too many medical problems and also young people need opportunity too. Liability is NEVER worth it
Agreed and it's very difficult to prove in court. That's another reason why companies have 3rd party background checks..liability protection.
I don't know how people can complain about health and age discrimination. Does it make sense to you to hire someone that will retire soon (if the work requires years on the job to become effective) or will be capable of only doing their job half the time? That's just reality.
Because they want thier buddy/bro in the position.
But the irony is that it’s inappropriate or risky to bring your real self to work - the relationships are fake.
Got interviewed with a company . Job description matches my resumes and all the requirements . Interview went well and all of sudden they went ghost . No emails no phone calls . So ashame companies treat future employees with no integrity
Welcome to my life for the past 6 month. You wait and wait to see if you’re moving on to the next step , by the time 2 weeks come your start to lose faith and forget about that interview.. keep applying eventually 1 is going to get you . Good luck
when they do that I find them on glassdoor and detail the outcome. But by ghost I assume you mean they just drop you and refuse to reply to a request for update on the application progress after you attended an interview in person. to be honest its rare i see that.. happened to me once.
You wasn’t a future employee in the first place.
Companies often interview perfect candidates, but they need to do that to meet a minimum number of candidates because of policy. They may already know who they're going to hire, but they need to go through the theatrics and interview additional people.
Did you send an email? Depends from industry but ghosting is rude
I just looked at a job requirement expecting 8-10 years of Selenium and Cucumber experience. These are "stepping stone" tools that only someone who let their career stagnate would use for 8-10 years.
Maybe they were referring to the element Selenium and the vegetable Cucumber 😅
Just say you’ve got 12 years in both
Maybe they actually want a stagnated professional 😅
Programming is the quintessential example of Bullshite Hiring Managers, doing nonsense.
Wow. That's insane. I've seen dishwasher jobs that want 3 years experience. I burst out in laughter. I understand it can be hard and messy, but still.
And even with so many rounds of interviews from many applicants, the hiring department will quietly promote from within the department because they have this person earmarked for the position. They they will advertise a new job for that vacant position and start over again. It is a sickening cycle!
I used to work in a manufacturing company and the main thing I found for hiring managers was how little they knew about the job they were filling. They'd ignore specific requirements, assuming that accommodations could be made then refuse to consider better choices because they wanted to hyper focus on irrelevant minutiae. Frustrating as hell, I'll tell you that for free.
I experience a bit of the opposite in corporate roles. Alot of "our employees all know basic excel so you need to know 2+ coding languages to make up for the lack of skill here. And you're all equal even though you will be smarter than them. It's unprofessional to point it out."
At this point I might just become an Influencer and start a business down the line because that is much easier than getting something in this tough job market.
or start your own business and become their competition.
Start your own business because if you’re gonna work hard it’s building your dream instead of someone else’s
Time to take down Amazon. See who's gonna have more yachts than Bezos!
Getting psst the recruiter is the easy part. It's getting past the interview with the hiring manager. The interviews seem to go well, but I never hear back.
Just had a recruiter call me...and with recruiter calls...I get annoyed with the "why would you want to work with us." My response, "you called me, why would I be interested in your role?"
That's exactly what I said as well. When you reach out and apply to a company, you don't have much flexibility in terms of what you can say compared to when their recruiter reaches out to you.
We can be picky as well. I had a job lined up last year. Phone interview that was it. Once i went to the job I decided I didn't want it. Pay was really good.
YOU CAN"T BE CHEAP AND PICKY!!! I notice some companies have the same position open year after year.
Perhaps they can't keep the people they recruit.
Got an interview on Wednesday its for a pet shop so pretty competitive but I think I have an edge with my qualifications and experience
I only didn't get to an interview before because I backed out of applying
Turns out I may be one of the first chosen for interview
Edit:
I got the job!!! Start in two weeks
Best of luck! But keep applying to other jobs. I've been told I'm their first pick just for them to tell me the position was placed on hold for additional funding.
Its a pet shop what skills do they need? Lol. Just saying in terms of the nature of retail work. No job is bad or not worth doing.
@asadb1990 true that
I've already got a qualification in animal care and three years experience with different animals
I'm going to mention my interest in dog nutrition as that's a huge topic currently
@ramy8700 thank you! I've applied to a few buy this one I'm hopeful for
My friend works there already so I get good insight into how good it is
She told me they'd initially picked two but wouldn't say who as she didn't know but it may have been me
Hopefully I impress them
And yet…and yet, for whatever made up reason, no one can never just explicitly ask a hiring manager, “what’s your biggest fear or concern with hiring the wrong person? Let’s lay it all out because I would be able to understand your needs if you were to lay your cards on the table”
The interview would stop then and there.
But you can ask that same question positively, to some extent - "what should I have achieved in 18 months that would make you say 'that was a great hire'"
@@panemetcircenses6003 sure, but, the question could be interpreted in different ways and the really big issue I have with job interviews is how indirect questions are rare. Both sides are forced to feel things out and work to extract meaning from “polite” discussion.
Imagine telling your date that you have to have more dates to double check if he\she would be the best fit. Imagine the happy reaction of your date.
That is how that works these days also. Welcome to hell.
Great video! What about companies that interview candidates but have no real intention to hire? Is this really a skills mismatch or egregious recruitment practices? I.e. to obtain free labor/consulting advice.
Could be an h1-b visa scam to interview Americans then say no one is qualified. This would allow the company to apply for h1-b slaves.
I've seen this done before. The evil boss had no intention to hire anyone. He was just interviewing to say that no one fit the criteria. He had already decided to hire h1-b.
I have seen these interviews used for free consulting many times in the structural engineering profession. I started outing them publicly. They hate it.
I always relate searching for a job is like dating. Both scenarios, can be frustrating 😅
Exactly, job hunting and dating are really just crapshoots. In both cases, I just kept winging it till one day I succeeded. All the preparations beforehand didn't really help and only made me more nervous. Besides, they never tell you the real reason why it didn't work out.
@@edthelazyboy Yes, you’re right
I could not agree more 😂
Hard disagree. You can get something out of dating and not give your best. Job searching is worse because you sink in hours on prep only to get absolutely nothing back.
A date would at least look you in the eye and say “thanks for the night…it’s not going to work”. Employers…good luck getting them to even piss on your corpse.
@@brendah4773 try doing both... As a man
Last year, I interviewed for teaching positions and one school liked me and I liked them. They didn’t pick me despite the shortage. Another school did take me before the school year started. The school I wanted called me back 7 weeks into the school year and I told them no. Hiring managers need to understand that even if the labor market isn’t tight, people move on. If you let it go for 2 months or more, we will move on unless we’re really desperate or you’re our number 1 target. And even then, we might move on.
Yup. Had a job that was my #1 pick, took nearly 5 months in their process. Job called me for an offer. Told them I already accepted a different one.
Yup.
Using this logic no one will ever move up. Just moving from one company to the next doing the same thing. I do not understand the labor market at all right now.
I gave up trying to figure it out. The time between interviews may last longer than the actual job. Had that happen numerous times. Then these employers get angry when they are outed for doing that.
Thank you. I don’t understand what it takes to move up and I’ve become hesitant to attempt going up a level.
You may want to try doing what I did to move up to a job I wanted.
I wanted to work for a certain company. They were hiring, but things were slow. Later on I heard that they were even scared to hire one person things were that unstable economically.
I interviewed and got turned down. I then got a job in fast food. It was the first job offered to me and I had bills to pay. So fast food it was.
Then the brakes on my car went out and I got a job at a gas station within walking distance of where I lived.
One day I was talking to a friend and was telling him about how I wanted to work for the company I applied for, but got turned down. He said that they were expanding and to try again.
So I had a positive attitude and applied again. I got the job. In about 6 months, I will hit my 2 year anniversary there.
A few weeks ago, I was offered a manager position at a fast food place. I took it. They reviewed my experience at the fast food place I used to work at the most. Luckily I left the first fast food place I worked at on good terms. Good enough that recently when I went to eat there and I saw my old boss, I thanked him for giving me a job when I needed it the most. He said that if I ever need to work there again, that I had a job waiting for me.
Just a thought. Take what it is worth.
@@cooldudicus7668Your story sums it up that sometimes the best job is the only job, and sometimes you can fall into a bed of roses.
Today, the used “entry level” position that has 10+ years experience required in the job description!😮
HM: You're hired.
Applicant: Oh boy! Finally, I'm a Senior Execitive Intern and in only 10 years.
Many, not all, hiring managers have no idea. Many people are versatile. You can have an IT geek who is potentially a great salesperson, or a plumber who’d excel at being an electrician. Good managers can see the potential but unfortunately there are many managers out there who only go by text.
Yes!!
And they go will restructure departments and get rid of good customers to accommodate bad existing employees.Half of my high paying role is cleaning up messes left by other highly paid people being useless, and we all pretend it's normal
So relatable. I was the only candidate for a senior Director role. 8 weeks from first showing an interest in the position through to 2nd interview. Both interviews went so well and I was complimented. Then two days after 2nd interview the Partners changed the job spec - stated I did not have direct experience in XYZ International Standard - I didn't - but the job spec specifically said that that was NOT required and extensive stakeholder management was the most important aspect and I had bucket loads of stakeholder management experience and they recognised that. So at the last stage post they reversed on their own job spec requirements. So I didn't get the job and I was the only candidate.
I have been having some interviews and I often have the feeling they are looking for Steve Jobs, 300/400 applications done on Linkedin, and after 1 month, they renew the ad and keep interviewing for the same position, when I am perfect for the role, and maybe need a few weeks of training to learn their things and then ready to go.
Women amirite? 😂
Companies leave positions unfilled while waiting for the "perfect" applicant. Meanwhile they're putting that workload on their existing employees. When those employees leave for greener pastures companies play dumb, acting like they have no idea why nobody stays. Then when the doors close, rather than say, I should have hired some of the qualified applicants, they say "nobody wants to work anymore".
I’m my experience the recruiters are not overly picky, and overall have a very good sense at who would be a good candidate for a position. It’s the future boss that is making the decision that can eliminate candidates for the most absurd reasons. As an intern at a non-profit, my boss was discussing hiring my replacement and she said “that last girl was way too pretty to work here. I don’t want to hire anyone that cute.” So yeah, ANY garbage reason, even if you are completely qualified and motivated to get the job done.
At this point i question if my previous jobs i received were based off luck
Lol luck is part of the equation when job hunting! I've thought about that same thing for me but there are other reasons why they chose you and you should remember that.
In my experience, you don’t want to work for a picky hiring manager for the same reasons you don’t want to work for a cheap client; they’re usually impossible to please. They are likely to have unrealistic expectations, and will make your life miserable. This is no way to live or work. Warm up your network. Go meet amazing people. Start a business or volunteer somewhere. Focus on being a great human so you can connect to other great humans. Join professional associations. It takes more time, but if you get work through your network and trusting relationships you will work with good people. Allowing yourself to be commoditized or marginalized by petty people who lack the talent to understand what you have to offer is a dead end road. Know your worth!
Yupe!! Facts!! It has happened to me dealing with those "Picky, Snooty and Unrealistic" hiring managers.
A video about how hiring managers can contribute positively to the hiring process would be super interesting! Also some general advice for hiring managers. (I know it's not your channels target, but might make life easier for a couple of people.)
Here's a related video idea: hiring manager job titles. Basic stuff like supervisor vs manager vs director vs VP... Any stand out things we should know about specific industries we may be applying in? How often do they hire ICs vs sub-management, and do they tend to hire ICs differently? For instance, I'm a software dev and I've always had a manager as a boss. My brother has had two employers and at both manager was 2 or 3 levels above ICs. Another example is apparently in finance, the VP title gets used for non-executives. I interviewed with I think Citibank, for a principal/staff dev role and if I got it I would have gotten a VP title.
Because you’re not exactly like that person they just let go.
Job hunting is like dating:
You get picked on how much you stimulate the tingles.
🙏
More like buying a house
Honestly thought you were going to follow up the "smartest person in the room" comment with something like "well they're hiring managers so that will never be the case."
If a hiring manager is that picky, it is a red flag in general. This manager is going to be impossible to work with.
Yupe!! Facts!!
Please appreciate this guy's radiophonic VOICE 😍 I'm not really looking for another job, but I stumbled on his videos and I put them on, just to relax 😅😅😅
A win’s a win.
As an IT person looking for a new job, I must provide evidence by creating a home lab and screen video capturing new skills I learned and demonstrating that I have the skills to do the job by providing them evidence. Kevin Tech from his TH-cam channel and Linkedin suggest discussing it during the interview and posting a link on the video demonstrating that I have the knowledge to do the job. I will be working on a home lab soon, so I will have a better chance of getting a job offer.
For someone getting into penetration testing I show all my HTB badges and completions
I find I normally have huge experience of even the "nice to haves" and still get told no. Really, you have so many other Mandarin speaking AI graduates with 15 years of product experience serving billions of users, and a background in JavaScript and C#, who knows cyber security inside out? P*** off.
Damn! It's that bad?
Hiring managers sounds like women on Tinder
Well, a lot of hiring managers are women who make their life decisions based on Tinder, TikTok, Kardashians, and horoscopes, soooooo...
More like greedy landlords 🤣
I think it's about time to stop looking for jobs... and start looking for clients. The car example was good, the problem is that managers being picky is like going to buy an Aston Martin willing to pay for a Toyota.
Also time to stop being dependent on companies for money...
The great fear of people with business degrees is that the guy with a high school degree may have just enough ambition and talent enough to become the rock star that runs circles around all the people that went to the right schools and know the right people and make them look bad.
As a comfortable liar and secretly disabled employee aware of disability, unionization, and safety rights and protections against retaliation for exercising said rights, I LOVE picky hiring managers, and recruiters working for picky (and vapid) hiring managers LOVE ME! Here's what happens typically, first I need the fucking job. So I see this agency listing with a decent salary and I buff up my resume to look like a good fit on paper. Remember, recruiters often don't understand the nuances of the "perfect candidate" either so its surprisingly easy to get through that gate, especially when they desperately want to present a candidate forward and be done with that damn HM for the week or two, as is often the case. In such a case, the recruiter will basically feed me the info I need to know, and/or I'll do my best to wrangle it out of him/her, which is not much of a challenge given the situation. Buff up the resume even more, get my google-fu on and get ready for a massive BS session. Show up early, be nice, personable and polite to EVERYONE I meet, check all the boxes and get past the skeezewad filter of HR. Shoot the shit with HM, at this point he's probably desperate so he's basically feeding me the correct answers. "Have you ever used X-software before?" "Sure have! Got years of X-XP under mah belt!" "You OK with Y?" "I fucking love Y! I would not be here today if it weren't for the challenges presented by Y." I love it when they softball it for me and I hit it out of the park, those are my favorite. At the end of the interview I let the HM know that I really like what I've seen, who I've met and am interested in the job, but I am interviewing with [insert far more interesting and high profile company here] so I would appreciate an answer soon, make sure to tell the HM this not the recruiter.
I then act as if I've lost interest, act standoffish or vague, as if I'm trying to balance the other job offer with this one. I then push hard on salary, benefits and other fringes. After salary, you could always ask for additional vacation days to match offer from competing job or current one. Request flexible scheduling, WFH, Day 1 healthcare benefits (don't listen to them when they say they can't do it, it's just a single call or email to their benefits coordinator), lunch budget, company car, etc. Once you've convinced them that you're that unicorn you'll be amazed at the amount of pull you'll have in negotiating.
Once hired, you'll either rock it or you won't, but you probably won't be bad enough to fire, just not as good as you initially presented yourself in the interview. Blame everything else, politely, but still do it. Onboarding is a heavily buggy and disorganized process, say you haven't been trained in Z procedure or that it was inadequate, that you're software is buggy, that your single missing credential here or there is seriously hampering your ability to do work, etc. Either you'll catch up or you won't. When you don't and your boss gives you a verbal for the first time, go back to your desk and cc'ing HR, request an accommodation for your invisible disability from your boss. It could be additional training, your own office, WFH as needed, etc. Your disability can be virtually anything, ADHD, bi-polar, anxiety, dyslexia, hearing impaired, autism spectrum, you name it, any doctor will diagnose it with the right acting. Now you have protection as a disabled employee and your tenure at the job should easily blow passed the recruiters backfill period, making replacing you much more expensive AND risky. Next, once a week start paying careful attention to ANYTHING potentially hazardous in the workplace, a loose rail, loose tile, dimly lit area, water in bathroom sink too hot, etc. Report your concern to site manager with your boss cc'd. Now you're protected as an employee that voiced concern with a potential workplace hazard = double protection. Finally, work really inefficently towards unionizing your workplace, just do something that involves talk or topic of unionizing with at least a few blabber mouth employees. Triple protection as employee that has worked towards organizing workplace. You'll have a target on your back, but they'll have to come up with a really good reason to fire you while you're getting paid well and enjoying awesome benefits. Anyway, you never want to stay at a job longer than 5 years. Get back on Indeed and rinse and repeat, you should see an average raise of about 10-15% per year doing this method.
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Any ideas what to put for a job application when they require your address, knowing you may never hear a call back? I don't want to give my info away for free, so I usually just put the address to my local Menards. Any feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks.
Cut out the middle men and get straight to the managers: twitter, linkedin, fairs, conferences etc
You need the exact requirements cause they don't or can't waste time to train you. They want to see more candidate even though you found a good match because the match $ expectations were to high.
No one is a 100% perfect fit. Great leaders and managers can train someone who isn't a perfect fit. They can also recognize talent and potential more easily. It reflects more poorly on the hiring manager and their lack of ability to train people when it takes them 6 months to "find" a candidate.
A former boss explained to me that hiring people are like a lottery.
You dont know who is a good choice and who arent.
Someone might look like a good choice on paper but in reality that aint always the case.
Last year I went on an interview (data science) where the panel gave the vibe that they were unsure about me. It was quite unprofessional. I turned down their offer because they didn't show me that they would be supportive to my success if I took the role. Sometimes they focus too much on if the candidate is their fit vs if they are an attractive team. The hiring manager and I got along well though - it was the leadership that ruined it. The job stayed open for a year before they closed it and the hiring manager got a demotion to another department. He went from senior analyst to coordinator. 😬
@kristenmoonrise yeah i had a job i interviewed for and got offer. The hiring manager loved me. And understood i knew the daily work. What ruined it was the inhouse hr/recruiter being super pushy for me to join them in office even though i said i would need 2 months as this was gonna be a cross country move. Never even provided a proper offer letter. And i had to call/text everytime to get a response. I was like im not this desparate yet.
@@asadb1990 OMG Yes. It's like they're expecting you to be desperate enough to ignore their unprofessionalism. I had to tell that to the HR of that job who was trying to get me to reconsider. I flat out told her I didn't have to beg. But, in the end them showing off their red flags is a good thing! I hope you've found something way better.
@@kristenmoonrise my worst experience was interviewing with florida employers. They would book an interview through the recruiter and roughly book a week. And then the week would pass and would hear someone went on vacation. Ok fine, rebook when they get back. Then a few weeks pass nothing. I follow up again and recruiter says "oh i think they said they were no longer interested". Like bs you knew exactly whats going on. This happened several times. They would book interviews and either not book exact time or move the date forward weeks without a single response. If i was a us citizen, i wouldn't bother followup. Im a canadian citizen, and wanted to move to florida and was very excited but not desparate.
@@asadb1990 Wow how unprofessional. I'm in Texas but you couldn't pay me to live in Florida (yes I understand the irony of that lol). That's definitely a sign to stay away from them. I got so annoyed with the job market that I realized my current job isn't so bad, and I've started an LLC on the side. It feels way better. I have no patience for all the chasing.
The qualifications of Job descriptions for anything software/web/tech related I think are totally unreasonable the vast majority of time.
A lot of people now have raised their standards with everything, which is good and bad.
Hiring managers are looking to weed out a lot of people. So, too, should applicants be a LOT more discerning when applying to companies. Postings that don’t list a salary range or have a vague or confusing description of responsibilities are no-no’s for me now.
Hiring managers are human, so they’re still prone to biases and odd and unrelated decisions…many unconsciously.
Appreciate this channel, it’s helped me a lot and sounds like others as well. Wishing everyone well in their job searches.
Perfect example of this 6:09
Where companies assume I can’t do a job…. I’ve been in kitchens for 14yrs. Now, I want to change careers…. Going into the ministry. I was interviewed for a tax filing, 401(c) company for churches/ministers etc. Not sure why I was called in for an interview…I only accepted because I was referred to the job by friend (on a favor). But I thought ‘oh geez, I haven’t had a sit down job in 14yrs! I would have NO CLUE what I was doing’! 😩🤣
No, I didn’t get the job and I assumed that and was ok 🤣
Experience never hurts though. Possible future connection? 🤔
Honestly, the best way to hire is to shoulder tap and hire people that you've already worked with and/or trust. Its always a roll of the dice when you put up a job posting and take whoever comes through the door.
The right person for the right job in this modern technology pace is never possible. By the time you get hired technology has changed again. The interesting thing is that really good unicorn candidates won't even bother to work in that place anymore, you always end up with below average candidates.
Sometimes we are picky because the recruitment agent has put little to no effort to put suitable candidates infront of us. Spray and pray. I work in radio frequency electronic circuit design, and the number of times we have had resumes from candidates who install TV arials (and yes that's technically radio frequency design) is unreal. Such candidates would never be able to make a useful contribution.
If there is a labor shortage and the market is not in their favor, why are they still picky?
I've been forced to resign. It was a bit nerving as I worked late hours from 10AM to 3AM everyday, including weekends since January 2023 and still this happened. We delivered pretty much exactly what they want.
Having said this, I'm interviewing actively and it is all going good.
After clearing all 5 to 6 rounds interviews, companies would say " we are not moving forward. We liked the in-depth discussion and your grasp on knowledge. We don't have any feedback for you"
And this is really funny and saddening at the same time.
Hoping for the best and wish everyone gets prosperous.
I get the feeling this channel is more for white collar work, but I like to hear myself talk so I'll comment anyway.
I've had experiences like what Brian describes, and to me it seems like the size of the company makes the most difference. Over a decade ago, at an electroplating company, I applied for a robot operator job. My interviewers were three people from HR, and their series of questions were so unrelated to the job that I wondered if they were mixing me up with another job candidate.
More recently I was hired at a machine shop where we make feed screws. My interviewer was one guy in dirty work clothes and he runs the place.
My takeaway: Work for a smaller company if you can. I know that's not possible for lots of careers, but I think its a good choice for those that can.
Office mentality is a huge problem for the people on the floor.
This channel is mostly about professional, White-Collard, Middle-Class type careers and jobs, my friend. Brian covers a lot of subjects and topics for the working professionals.
I agree with you. Not everyone is a bean counter, a computer jockey, or a money shuffler. Content creators need to give some air time to the blue collar workers and trades people.
I also agree with you. The smaller companies are the way to go. One needs to know the owners names.
One of the things that have helped me in my working career is knowing when I was hired that how I performed reflected on the person who hired me. Therefore, I did my best to not let them down or make them look bad.
It is a simple thing, but I went from a older temp who they expected to last a week or two on the factory floor to becoming a student in the company leadership training course in about a year. I had the least seniority of everyone in the class by far.
Then Covid hit.
You could remove those labels glued under those shelves on the wall behind you.
HR are picky, managers are usually fast in their decisions …
Wow, I've never thought of recruiters as picky.
Recruiters, no. Hiring managers, yes.
I’d very interested in a video about those anonymous employee surveys companies send out about once a year. Is there any merit to doing them? What exactly are they looking for?
Hi,
I wasn't sure where to ask this and this title hit home with me but I wanted to know about blackballing. I had three jobs in the last 3 months and I quit because of bullying. The first job was fast food. I had my first mental breakdown ever and I was unhinged because they were manipulating and harassing me. Through that I believe they thought I was trying to fire people but it was a major mix up due to lack of self control. Then the second job was fast food and they started to bully me about specific things that only the first restaurant knew about. I took notes and didn't execute it right cause when I tried to get lawyers involved they would back off. Then the last job I had began to try and bully me about the same things again but I stood up, then they just gas lite me and I had to quit that job as well. I also atthe time had a case for unemployment as well sooo I am sure that played in some how. It seems complex and it probably is but I just don't know what to do.
If you can, leave fast food.
What you may be referring to to is a bad work history. If you job hop, get fired, etc it catches up to you. It is that way for everyone.
Might I suggest that you get some therapy to help you sort things out? From reading your comment, it seems like it would be a good idea.
B. Since I been following your channel, I can honestly say each one of your videos is the blunt truth. I recently had a video interview based on your resume rocket fuel. Thanks again. It went well, but I turned it down after reading reviews on Indeed this company had a crappy work life balance. A lot of 1 or 2. Also, they had a technical assessment that I found a little bizarre for this remote job. I am studying cybersecurity and software engineering and I found this assessment a bit odd. I thanked the rec. but passed on evaluations based on current or former employers. Taking a page what you say, "You have to be a free agent. Keep up the good work.
It has nothing to do with Marketing Yourself lol :-
1. Too many entry roles - too many highly educated/practised/qualified people out there eg: Overqualified
2. Too many decision makers involved in hiring process
3. The fact so many companies create fake jobs/interviews to see 'what's available' means they are amateurs,
4. The interview process is too draining -candidates hate being messed about thus are pulling out of multiple stages.
5. Hiring Managers are obviously selecting lower educated candidates - result = zero competition.
I just receive a call from a recruters while listening to that video. The recruter was saying I could do the job and I had all the formation but the manager asked for two years experience. She sighed because of that.
This makes sense because my job search in 2021 was way better than my job search this year 😞
They are using "picky" as a term for covering DISCRIMINATION
HR-managers crying on the other end: "why all the candidates are so damn bad???"
One time had a hiring manager ask me a question so outside the qualifications of the job description that the answer I gave him was correct but even that didn't get me the job. When I gave him the answer, he thought I didn't answer it at all. I could tell within literally five minutes into the interview and the question I wasn't going to get the job. The thing that got me the most was this hiring manager had 20+ years of experience in the field I was applying for. Just comes to show, first impressions with a hiring manager and how much they like you is practically everything.
So lame
@@--Morpheus-- yeah, it really was.
400k unfilled jobs in the US now. 1 million by 2030. Karen in HR will be compelled to hire anyone with a pulse.
I'd like to comment on an observation of mine. Unfortunately negative one regarding recruiters. If I print them the job description they are hiring for and I ask them line by line what this means and could they give an example, I am pretty sure most of them aren't going to be able to give good description of what that means in day to day life. How then can you be the screening people? Makes absolutely no sense. And I don't think that's just a random observation.
Oh shit. I kind of love this idea.
It's all about maybe that job is not right job for you! Because the manager who like your application cant risk to loose you!
Honestly I’ve seen this way more in tech and startups.
the short answer is your just a name on a large stack of resumes. you and 100 other people are applying for the same job that alone makes it hard to get a job even if its a crappy one
Theres always the option (at least in uk) of filing an information request to retrieve every scrap of notes taken pre/during/post the interview by the company
Interesting, I never knew! How does this work?
Every now and again.. I see really crazy crazy low offers for very high skill level. Not sure if they're successful in their recruiting. Example.. software dev role.. pretty advanced skills set (JS frameworks etc..) , state that its a "junior" role despite these very advanced skills. Pay: around 23,000USD - 27,000USD equiv. Absolutely not negotiable on skills .. Apparently.. I think... sure, ok then ... good luck with that (secretly hoping they fail to find anyone at their rate otherwise I'd need to change career :) )
Even if they get someone they will just keep looking.
@@batboy555 yes, I think you're right.. seems to be the smaller firms that have this idea that people who learn these technologies can be hired for the price of an office admin role (although not universal of course..)... having worked in these firms I know they charge client around 90/hr'ish (USD equiv).
Are they picky, though? In an occupation that is understaffed nationally, like Mental Health, hiring managers can't afford to be picky. There are more jobs than applicants so whoever they get is all they have to work with.
CHINESE/RECRUITMENT WHISPERS
Line Manager: Would be NICE if they also have some exposure to "A", "B", "C" or "D"
Recruitment Manager: SHOULD have direct experience of some of "A", "B", "C" or "D"
Recruitment Agency: MUST have 3 years experience of "A", "B", "C" AND "D"
When I was a contractor I was in the top few percentile of a computing field and never met anyone who would come anywhere close to the advertised requirements for fairly junior roles in that or similar fields. Yet, from experience, if you were to ask the line manager who created the original spec they would say "I don't need all, if any, of that stuff".
Question: I only have a national diploma in biotechnology with only my internship year as experience. Then I have 8 years experience in NPO treasury functions (bookkeeping/accounting learned on the job plus did a Udemy course on it). The NPO is a controversial group that by mentioning it potential employers will get scared off. I can't leave that off can I? I have 6 months experience working front office at a school. I also recently realized I have CPTSD. I know not to mention marital status or kids. But how do I approach my experience on my resume at the NPO? Scientology. 😭
I’ve been on both sides of this myself, and it’s not nice, but I get it.
It’s actually quite difficult to hire a person who can communicate clearly, show up to work and work, and be competent.
During the interview process, There are some real losers, a lot of iffy people, and very few stars.
I’m no longer a hiring manager myself, but I am often called upon to review resumes, participate in panel interviews, and offer critical input on decisions. On panel interviews is very often a unanimous decision in our candidate selection.
It basically comes down to this:
Can you communicate clearly. Do you speak well, and is your resume logical and readable
Are you a good fit. Seems easy, but we don’t look for seat fillers. Is the background and experience fit for the job. This may be more on the recruiter just throwing bodies at a position, but 40%or more of rejections are simply poor fit. Meaning, if we need a network guy, we don’t really care too much about their database expertise, or background in art.
Then the other topics kick in. Does salary fit, is the commute reasonable, etc etc.
I know the job I am posting, the culture of the company, funders expectations, etc. While you may be capable of the job, some roles require thicker skins or specific personalities.
They don't even hire quality people they hire lazy, never show up lame people... One guy i worked with told me the recruiter was trying to low ball him in money... He had been working at Food Lion for 11 years and his dad in meat for 40 years...
Manager here. My HR isn't even getting me people I want. I'm a payroll manager and need a payroll specialist. I have told them as long as they understand payroll and can learn software fast I can work with someone who never used our software. I got approval from corporate for two people and my HR is trying to stick to one.
The real reason is they can't make a decision. The top people never have issues finding a job in any job market. The job market for software developers is better then in 2008, and a 1000 times better then in 2000.
How do you react when a hiring manager states., " you have done so much, we don't want you to be bored or disappointed" What are they saying to me?
That you're over qualified
As long as a bunch of mediocre applicants are willing to jump through all those hoops, hiring managers will keep giving them a bunch of hoops to jump through.
Your mic stand in frame continues to be ridiculous. Also, content continues to be mildly entertaining and informative. Thanks, again. for that.
Good who cares about the hiring manager you hire crappy people your to blame... Your resume won't make you a great worker...
Hiring Managers:. You can't hire 1 person to be the pit crew and drive at the same time and expect them to win the race, let alone finish.
Just because some roles are related doesn't mean you can combine them.
I just went through a job search, the biggest roadblock I ran in to was the recruiter reached out and they seemed interested in pushing me through to an interview but then I’d never hear back after they give my info to the hiring manager. Fortunately of the two interviews I did get, one resulted in an offer I accepted
I'm a creative, and I noticed that some design directors love to get high off the smell of their own farts because they think they're God's gift's to their profession, and are looking for someone to stroke their egos.
I work in a room with a HR of our company, and yeah she's so picky that sometimes I don't know how I've managed to get through her so easily 😂 cannot believe all the other guys was much worse
Maybe the best candidates are picky too and will l end up screwing up the picky hiring manager by leaving for a better paying job.
All of this work to get a mediocre job at best that you probably end up hating anyway