The END of Shadowlands & Sylvanas...
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Celebrity Death Match!!! Butter Boy V Odin!!!
Sylvanas loyalist get unique dialogue
link trigers my ublock
So let's punish sylvanas by letting her look for the only thing she really loves, nathanos. Yep... Poor sylvanas. They sure did stick it to her for burning that tree down huh 😂 GG Steve. The writing is stuff of legend 🤣🤣🤣🤣💤
I love how Sylvaneses punishment is what we have been doing for the whole expansion.
Running around the maw rescueing souls...
Dilligently farming her dailies
@@tinyjazzhands2074 A fate worse than death if you ask me. 😂
Hilarious
👍🤣🤣🤣
@Joe Alexander or next expansion lol
Sylvannas: “For however long it takes, it shall be done”
Tyrande: “Oh yeah and no mounts”
Sylvannas: “NOW THATS JUST CRUEL!!”
Isn't she basically a mount tho? she can use that bashee wraith form thing to fly around, no?
@@ZeroiusProduction we all know you cant fly in the maw without grinding for months. Sylvy needs to do the same
@@ZeroiusProduction I ride her everyday
@@ZeroiusProduction "Isn't she basically a mount tho" is a pretty bad choice of words to start this statement XD
@@Mediados Well she can be :) *evil smile* all in the mind :) Works for me lol
Elune : doesn't know about broken death machine,
also elune : knows that Sylvanas will save all this souls that she HAD NO IDEA they end up in the maw. XD
top tier writing blizz
This is precisely what I've been complaining about. It would've made more sense if Sylvanas killed Aessina before burning the Tree. To me the fact Elune had to intervene and send the souls to the Shadowlands means that they were probably bound to the forest. There was absolutely no reason to involve Elune.
It's even worse than that - Elune believed she was sending them all to be harvested as anima, utterly destroyed to feed the anima drought. At least in the maw they remained as recoverable souls.
@@ShireIO it's been a while since 9.0, is that actually what happens in ardenweald? I figured that was where the soulshapes came in, where ur a servant of nature and you get to hang out in ardenweald in an animal form. I have no memory of where they source the anima from to feed the god reincarnation stuff
@@jare3959 it also shows elune bypass what wouldve been the arbiters judgement. Compassion each souls deserves eh?
@@laurennightingale4752 honestly a lot of it isn't explained.
If the goal is to get all the souls out of the Maw and keep them from suffering any more than they have to, then that would be accomplished a lot quicker if there wasn't just *one person* doing it. If it's only Sylvanas down there then having her work alone is fine if you want her to suffer for a longer time, but making countless innocent nelf souls keep suffering because Tyrande wants Sylvanas to really suffer is losing sight of what's really important, isn't it? So yeah, the kyrians ought to be pitching in as well.
My thoughts exactly. Wouldn't you want your own people saved asap?
Which just proves how retarded the Primus, Arbiter, Archon, etc are. They don't actively care about the souls in the maw and it's proven further that Tyrande is just a vengeful cunt that cares less about her people and more about sticking it to Sylvannas...maybe they just need to fuck to get the animosity out. But that whole shtick of only her doing it? With countless souls in there now, all of which shouldn't be because of the broken arbiter beforehand? That's just going to take way longer than needed.
I thought the same thing, but a lot of people, not just Tyrande, just want Sylvanas to suffer and didn't really think things through.
@@yannym4605 writers u mean
@@yannym4605 Technically Sylvanas suffered more than annyone present there. She was forced to kill her own elves under Arthas's thrall and she's undead so her torment started when she died, so finding and saving souls should be a cakewalk for her. Didn't 80% of High Elves die when Arthas purged Quel'thalas? How many nelfs died? Like 15%? Most left before the whole nukage, also Genn doesnt care for Teldrassil, he can pretend he does, he didn't care for his own people when he build the Trump wall, thinking he cares for other races is ridiculous.
They really should have saved Kel'thuzad for the post-shadowlands Scourge. He would have been the perfect character to pick up the reins of the Lich King, and continuing Arthas's/the LK's legacy would have fit his character much more than what we got in SL.
Make a new character. A new Lich.
@@andrewkelly1337 yeah, they can always bring him back, like 20 other characters.
@@andrewkelly1337 that Blizzard is incapable of creating any sort of story without reusing iconic characters, even if they have been long considered dead. They are also incapable of creating new and satisfying characters with any sort of depth.
@@andrewkelly1337 because it's like eating a reheated cutlet. His story was over in WLK.
truth be told, Kael'Thas wouldn't be a bad pick either...in fact, the irony would be stone cold.
“Horde gets all the juicy stuff.” Yah no one in the horde wanted to deal with multiple civil wars, and multiple warchiefs dying.
I mean we got most of BfAs story, but Blizzard really doubled down on making the Horde the bad guys again. At some point I can't even judge the Alliance for hating the Horde cause they are so terribly written.
@@Mediados BFA was a cluster, but it was also the like what? 3rd time the horde became evil again after just learning its lesson? Has Wc3 When Thrall made the new horde, had Garrosh stint as warchief only to be briefly replaced by Vol’jin, and finally the cluster f that was Sylvanas’ tenure.
FACTS
As a Horde player I must confess that I was really annoyed that we were the bad guys in BfA again. I mean, we already had a storyline in which a Warchief committed a serious warcrime, started a war, and tore apart the Horde in MoP. It was repetitive, unimaginative, and poorly written. If Blizzard is going to do more expansions or more Horde-Alliance conflicts in the future, I think that the Alliance should be the baddies or at least more sketchy this time.
Please Blizz, make the Alliance the baddies for once instead of always undoing all of the Horde's progress by making them villians!
@@laurahardy9420 Honestly they are pretty much set up well for a Light-Purist war campaign, it would not be hard.
I finally want to see the walls of Stormwind, I want to sack their city and not besiege my own capital TWICE
They need to add a feature in pre-patch for next exp where you will randomly have a tiny chance of running into Sylvanas in the Maw or Torghast collecting souls, and if you click on her she just says “leave me to my penance” or something and continues on her way.
Or “Alex, is that you?”
I rather never see her ever again like never with a worse outcome then arthas i have ebough of her give ja strong males now
Assuming anyone still wants to visit the Maw or Torghast.
This would be epic ngl
@@Ubreakable-lr2dk kinda noticed all the dudes are pathetic victims and the woman raging emotional B. They think its cool but that’s like literally toxic masculinity behavior but then nagging woman style. Wel atleast Garrosh went out with a big F you.
"While I draw breath there will be no happy happy hug time." - Genn Greymane
now that furry has been Anduin's love pup since his inception
Sylvanas will go down as one of the most astronomically fumbled bags in fiction, ever. What a cool fucking character that got absolutely shafted by D-tier writing. Sick cutscene tho 😂
The writer was a radical feminist which dont like w*ite males didnt expected much but yes even tho her statements she still got a npc in wow meanwhile everything gets cancelled
It's a shame. In Legion it seemed like sylvanas had potential. You found her in stormheim trying to enslave the valkyries and we weren't exactly sure what she was doing.
Then BfA happened.. an absolute abomination of an expansion with imo, the worst writing in all of wow.
I mean are you surprised? They literally threw away arthas like nothing. At least there’s still a chance she comes back.
elune: simultaneously oblivious to the fact that the machine of death is broken, and that thousands of her followers have ended in the maw , and at the same time knows precisely that sylvanas surviving against tyrande will be instrumental in defeating the jailer and fixing the machine of death ( or that tyrande risks losing her souls if we do not adhere to the instrumental sylvanas part)
I agree the kyrian should be the ones mopping the maw.
Yeah, ovlivious, but then all knowing. Blizzard writers do not know the meaning of "omnipotent."
thats a super weird of the story. Elune 'stopping' tyrande has nothing to do wither knowing Sylvanas will be useful later.
Look the story has not been told well, but it is REALLY silly when we get takes on this
@@random135246 Ye didnt elune stop Tyrande because she didnt want Tyrande to die?
@@Ghilannugs she still demonstrates a lot of knowledge of what's happening to tyrande in the SL opposed to what happened to the rest of her race in the SL. she should either ignore completely what's going on in the SL, or if she knows tyrande is risking her soul she should know that the rest of the nelves already lost it.
And that's the thing. You can't tell me Elune didn't know that the arbiter was broken...because she knew about all of the stuff going on there. She allowed her people to be killed, fed to the maw as fodder, and then decides that she didn't mean for it to happen when she gets caught by TWQ...she knew and Elune was in on it with Zovaal and Dani.
I don't know, the fact that we WILL get her back at some point diminishes the "judgement." It seems like she is basically being put in the "time out corner" until she is needed again, basically changing up the shelf for the corner.
I’ve always loved Sylvanas ever since I started WoW and I always will, I just will never forgive blizzard for what they did to her character
Same feelings.
Same here
Same.
Same the Windrunner sisters story was to me the best plot line and the train wreck it became really from Legion on. Warcraft as a whole as a story and IP has be really trashed on for a long time ... I keep watching in hopes we will get some sort of fix or reboot but no its all garbage from what I can see.
We see this same mess with all of the major characters Thrall, Garash, Sylvanius ... really I cant think of a single story arc that hasn't ended or been reconned into garbage
@@JamesMcGhee I really wished they continued with the Windrunners sister story! I was obsessed with the comic. But yeah as a long time Wow player it's really sad to see all the og characters being written with what seems like 0 effort or passion Edit: Just wanted to add that the books, comics, etc have great writing, its just the in game writing that I feel is lacking
I liked Sylvanas's fate. But how is this 20 years of build up since WC3? How is this closing a book on the Warcraft saga? Why, again, need a book to understand things from the Game?
it's not actually 20 years of buildup, lol. that's the point... it's just a transparent attempt at making lazy, bad writing seem like it was carefully planned out over an extended period of time
WoW players and WoW are in an abusive relationship.
Victims in abusive relationship rationalize the manipulation via small acts of kindness as "There's still true love after all".
Making lore buffs spend an extra 10 to 20 bucks per book per character sounds profitable.
@@sly9263 If I had to guess, they probably have a multitude of plotlines and notes for the future and they just picked one. When I was writing a story, I remember I had at least 20 different outcomes because I didn't know which way I wanted it to go. Is it possible this was one of such notes? Sure it is. Is it likely? Only the writers could really know.
@@Kjetilstorm you know that's not true, the Blizz writers have no idea of what they are doing, even Bellular knows that already
@@sly9263 You'd need writing for cutscenes and dialog that last as long as the characterization and dialog in FFXIV for such things as...
...going through customs...
...and just... having banter....
...Blizzard aren't really trying, nothing's really hit as hard as Wrathgate and the Battle for the Undercity.
Feels like Ive been watching the worlds most outdrawn school play.
Seeing all these established characters being forced to take part in this just so they wouldnt upset the children who wrote it all wasnt even the worst part of it all..
Worst part is that the same writers also made whatever is next to come 🤦♂️
Right. Like why the hell would Jaina just give Sylvanas stink-eye the whole, entire time instead of simply not being there, because the sight of Sylvanas has become so repugnant to her. And why are all of the Windrunner girls in the Shadowlands? That's just so dumb. Come on, family, let's watch our sister take a swan dive into the Maw with some dumb white bird, yeehaw.
This is why I left WoW in BfA, the current writing team is horrible.
So Sylvanas' punishment is having to play Shadowlands for half an eternity? A bit cruel in my opinion.
Remember when Prophet Velen breathed a huge sigh of relief when they escaped Sargeras & left Illidan behind? A seemingly endless war & invasion of the burning legion had finally concluded.
That's how I feel right now knowing Shadowlands is pretty much over and Sylvanas's story that felt like was planted since Cata and sprouted around Legion is finally finished (at least for now and hopefully a long while)
Feels relieving, that I can finally breathe easily now that this arc is finally done and the expansion will be in it's last legs as we approach 10.0's reveal soon
Do you really think the story will improve from here on out?
@@Miranox2 I am not trusting Steve Danuser AT ALL.
I’d hardly call it an “arc”. Where is the story? Oh right, you gotta buy the novel to understand everything. 🙄
@@spiritofthewolf1880 It would be better to watch the worst filler arcs in Anime History rather than deal with what Blizzard tossed out in their napkins, aka this was written on a napkin.
It gives Blizzard a fresh new narrative start now that the shackles of Sylvanas have now been removed. No more excuses for the story from this point forward!
Argh! If sylvanas missed her brother and parents then why didn’t, oh I don’t know, LOOK FOR THEM IN THE SHADOWLANDS?!
Because the Jailer told her they are not there and don't look for them.
And who knows, maybe their memories were erased, or their anima was consumed to power the structures of the shadowlands during the drought.
@@FeinryelRavenclaw Man even after they explained his motivations I absolutely believe we fought for the wrong side
It's explained well in the book. She was terrified to meet them and possibly be judged by them. And she was also scared to see what kind of cruel afterlife they might be stuck in, possibly separated from each other forever.
@@Mediados What do you mean? You think we should have fought on the side of the jailer?
I was really hoping Tyrande would have a "THIS. IS. SPARTA." moment and kick sylvanas into the maw.
I was hoping blizzard would have done anything other than making the horde lose yet another character.
@@ambushbob5383 They have been humiliating the Horde for quite some time now.
@@Mediados yup Thrall ditches the horde, garrosh dead, nazgrim dead, saurfang dead, Cairne dead, vol'jin dead. Duuuur sylvanas got wut commin to her...yawn.
They even introduced us to Nathanos just to kill him off.
@@ambushbob5383 just wait until they allow cross faction play. Half the horde population is going to Disappear lol
@@lightemupp4141 because fuck it right, its not like anything matters horde side anymore.
I am fine with Sylvanas having to clean up the mess of her master, but I wish they would have not had Arthas's soul fade away. If there was a quest in the prologue where Uther says we need to save an judged soul. The players then work with Sylvanas and Uther to find Arthas. Arthas gets judged and sent to a part of the Shadowlands we know nothing of and Uther ferries him there. It ends the Arthas story and gives Uther closer. It would have given us Arthas and Sylvanas. What would she say to him? What would she ask him?
there was nothing left to save, he was DE'd after years of torment in Torghast, dont you fools understand that? he has been down there since WRATH, 10 years+ both their time and OURS, Arthas' book was closed back in Wrath's end, you're lucky that you got to see anything of him at all.
NO BUDGET FOR ARTHAS LOL
No surprise the Sylvanas book is a reasonable & enjoyable character piece. Christie Golden has been carrying WoW’s story with the books for YEARS.
its garbage..the story should be in the game not in a book
@@laoch5658 agreed. That doesn’t change the fact that this book is seemingly good and Christie Golden is a phenomenal author.
@@CarthusDojo No, the book is a hot mess, fanmade stories are a better read than that book.
I don't blame the writer of the book I blame the story team for not adding it to the the game
Transmedia Stories only work when in ur primary title the bulk of the narrative is in ( the books should just be side stories or extra knowledge not the foundations to build a good narrative)
Eh book was basically like reading the hunger games
As a Horde representative, we're tired of being the aggressors. It's y'all's turn to be the big bad. We're passing the baton over.
instert meme "gromash did nothing wrong"
Yeah Genn can do his surprise wars again together with Turalyon
I dont play anymore but I loved being a bad guy
I reckon bfa was the perfect chance but they fucked it up.
Okay, but the night elves (as a culture and a people) are still almost extinct, "saving" a couple hundred random souls won't replenish their very few remaining numbers on Azeroth...not just Teldrassil, but ALL those night elves who were killed at Darkshore and elsewhere in the Fourth War, they're all still very much dead. :(
then they best get BUSY!
Technically, if their souls are send to Ardenweald, the Winter Queen can send them back to Azeroth, like with Cenarius. At least I hope we will get some of them back.
@@titemopunk well as we know the machine of death broke with the death of Argus, so any wild gods who were dead around that time are likely gone for good, but then Ysera survived, so we can hope.
@@titemopunk Can they really do that? I thought reincarnation was an option only for Wild Gods and Ancients...
a novel to answer all the in game questions that should have been answered in game but for a nifty price of $29.99... on top of the $59.99 for the expansion... on top of the $14.99 per month to get to this point. Congratulations on the expansion of the milking process for copium addicts.
This!
Like, FR they were not getting enough money i guess hahahaha
By an author that writes terrible books. No thanks, not interested AT ALL
@@bungobox7454 CG is okish even if she clearly has an agenda, I like bts she was just given a turd to polish with this book.
The logistics seems impossible for sylvanas:
-Do they have a head count?
-Do each person sent to the maw has an unique ID, cause and date of death?
-How is she going to know who she sent and who she did not sent?
-how is she making souls in the maw follow her?
-Is she going to carry every single soul there to another place, pile them up, them have them judged one by one, and then sent them to whatever afterlife they deserve? Cause she needs to empty the maw before returning anyone or she won't know who was already judged.
-What about people that died on the maw killed by the player or have their souls put on the player's conduit?
Having the draenei landing a ship without crashing seems more likely than having sylvanas finishing this task
Sylvanas: Maw dailies? I can handle that.
Tyrande: Muhaha, little does she know.
she is to rescue ALL souls, not just the ones she condemned, ALL souls including that poor farmer with a shotgun.
Pelago, pelagos and pelagos, she only has to take whoever she can out, then its pelagos problem.
Honestly, she was one of the characters who had the most potential. She was interesting and complex. Their "recontextualizing" squandered all of it.
potential is a four letter word to Blizzard. never have potential in the hands of their writers. they have wasted more potential than any company as it stands.
I wouldn't call being disenfranchised and stressed over the state of our faction as "juicy shit" but go off I guess.
They are "Pulling an Illidan" and sticking her in storage until they want to -mangle- re-use the character again in the future.
Given how badly mismanaged the character was (along with 90% of everything else) in Shadowlands, it's a surprisingly satisfying and overall fitting end to her arc.
I do appreciate these smaller cutscenes, it would give them a good opportunity to improve their in game story telling.
Arthas being controlled by the Jailor = EVIL
Sylvanas being controlled by the Jailor = EVIL
Anduin being controlled by the Jailor = Now... wait a minute....
wow is shit the story is shit stop trying to make it out as anything else
Well wouldn’t it be Sylvanas being controlled by the jailer = morally dubious, cause blizzard only wanted an out for her? lol
thing is was not Sylvanas being controlled by the Jailor. she had her free will all along. as well the retconned arthus into not being a jailor pawn but an enemy of the jailor.
17:50 Anduin may be making a HUGE mistake here says Captain Obvious. Then again he has no idea what Turalyon's friends are doing on the other side of time and space...
It certainly would be a good setup with the hypothetical Kool-Aid being passed around and Greymane taking a huge gulp. With the expectations Anduin will gladly follow him because of course he would, right? And then when that *doesn't* happen...
nerfed her appearance and then nerfed her character, then threw her in the garbage.
Amen brother, they way they destroy the feminine traits of their characters is incredible. Post modernism is a plague.
9:35 You gotta love how everything makes so little sense, that when just thinking about any of it is considered 'overthinking' it.
It's as if overthinking is applied to anyone that didn't 'turn their brain off' to enjoy something.
dont ask too many questions and dont think too deeply about it, or else the illusion of a story will be shattered and you will be left with more questions than answers... unless you fork over another $29.95, and then they _might_ be answered.
Adding a mcguffan that makes her experience the end of each soul she frees from the maw would atleast add a bit of retribution to her "punishment"
her newfound remorse will be enough.
next expansion be like we need Sylvanas to help us defeat the villain
Well duh and YOU champion, have to go find her in the maw we threw her down in!
Disrespect for The Dark Lady, was better to die as evil character in a epic duel fight against Tyrande from that pity fate.. mad af
The only real problem I have with this is that they "took" here chance for character growth. Fixing your mistakes usually comes after realising that you have made them, comming to terms with it and adjusting yourself. This entire process and story arc was basically skipped by using the "split soul" storyline and robbing Sylvanas of an organic character growth. And now that I write my thoughts down...Blizzard really managed to provide a npc with a story skip item... I don't know if should be amazed or terrified.
Anduin is gonna be those memories and regrets for her on their adventure in the maw
It's a bit funny how you put "usually" within "Fixing your...adjusting yourself" bit and proceeded to draw conclusions based on a should be exception. Also, there is an entire cinematic dedicated to that one sentence. We might not like it, but it's in game.
@@hristopavlov298 Very fair point with the "should be" expectation. I think you're referring to the internal struggle cinematic together with Uther? What I was trying to say was, that the entire process for me felt so much artificially accelerated through the split soul situation, that it might not even be there at all. That at least was my feeling about the whole "progression" of that story part.
Her cinematic after her raid fight was literally her realizing she fucked up and changed sides. Honestly nothing was skipped with her
Don’t know about you guys but I am sick and tired of Blizzard releasing novels instead actually telling their story in-game.
I always hate it
What if instead she consumes power from the lost souls and becomes superpowered? Wasn't it the goal of the death pantheon for the jailer to be powerless once he was sent to the Maw, and perhaps to remain that way for however long? Apparently, it had quite the opposite effect. I realize the situation is different in a lot of ways, but sending the expansion's 2nd primary villain into this fountain of power seems like a really bad idea to me unless we are actually going to revisit this in a later expansion.
I bet we will. I also bet Sylvanas will be recalled due to some random thing only she can do or whatever, probably by one of her enemies, to start a redemption arc.
@@Yamidoragon oh my God! Azeroth is being attacked! We need sylvanas! Champion, venture into the maw and reclaim sylvanas windrunner.
I can see it now..
I think Anduin also has thoughts that he could have done more to intervene and save many of the souls that ended up in the Maw, so him staying awhile would not surprise me.
I think you touch on a very important thing when you mention "this is the best ending for both side of the fanbase". I believe that the mentality to try to please everyone ends up with them releasing rushed, bland stories that don't really resonate in order to avoid strong reactions from both sides.
Most of us just ended up not caring enough to follow the story, which is what kept some of us subbed, and I believe that the generated apathy in the playerbase is what finally drove us away.
I agree. I also think that for those of us who do still care, we can see that its a pandering ending and it ends up defeating itself. I'm a Sylvanas fan so I should be happy with this ending, right? They didn't kill her, yay! No. They did something worse. They ignored her. I'd genuinely rather her be killed than just thrown into a bin to be forgotten.
@@SantitariumHaze It is literally implied that her task is not eternal wdym by being forgotten.
@@GRIMHOOD99 Yeah don't know what they're on about. If anything this video is being overly optimistic about how long Blizzard is actually going to keep her away from the story, I give them a single expansion tops before she comes back having finished her work in the Maw.
@@JoelBurger Do either of you really think Illidan or Sylvanas are ever coming back? I mean really... Blizzard doesn't know what to do with them so they sent them away to be in limbo. They gave up, and the character's will stop there.
@@JoelBurger well... when you make content, being a debbie downer is a good way to drive people away.
I still don't understand why she did it.
Why does this expansion exist
The person clearly torturing souls for no reason in the cold and desolate place made her believe he wants justice, peace and love for all.
She actually believed him.
@@MikeTall88 it really is that dumb, huh? Oh Steve...
I moved on to another video when this was over but I went to my history and came back just to say that last little bit about the scourge you talked about needs a deep dive video of its own! Love the content can’t play anymore so I enjoy the story telling here!
2:50 Chapter title? Editing mistake?
19:00 - Anduin killed a lot of people while dominated? What?
But he was in the Shadowlands the entire time. Everyone he killed was already dead. Only the "MawWalkers" were living mortals. And from the limited info we were given, if you kill a soul in Shadowlands, it just disappears. So there would be nobody to rescue from the Maw.
This ending makes me feel dirty. No stand was made, no real conclusion. Just a half measure that removes the character from visibility. Same as Illidan being Sergeras' "jailer" and now we never hear about him. Toodles. I'd rather Blizzard kill these characters than just leave them in limbo. It seems disrespectful and cowardly.
And if they die where do they end up...shadowlands or if youre lore relevant but only died recently, you appear as ghosty boys for WHATEVER reason
Sylvanas' punishment is what Blizzard decided would be fun for us to do each week.
Even outside of all the sexual assault that goes on at Blizzard, this game deserves to die. It's being kept alive by people who for some reason just can't let it go. Maybe out of loyalty, perhaps out of ignorance, but mostly out of fear of playing anything else where, god forbid, they don't know how everything works and have to actually learn new mechanics for once in their lives. No totally healthy person could enjoy what's become of this game.
So when do we get the storyline about an Alliance leader doing something incredibly immoral and becoming the villain - or is that just reserved for Horde characters?
Yes. Because Horde are immoral savages.
Sadly blizzard is incapable of writing anything outside of the same story 19 times.
Sylvanus does nothing in 9.2 worth keeping her alive. And her getting community service for genocide is terrible story telling.
i do prefer the idea of sylvanas always being capable of her crimes, but the parts of her that prevented that being stripped combined with the Jailer's manipulation to the alternative of "LOL Domination Magic" or something similar
Now imagine the Jailor was in reality really the mindcontrolled minion of the Primus. These two layers put together would be so awesome
I dislike the "new mid-tier" cinematics because of one thing: *when moving the camera is ALWAYS SHAKING*
7:57 it’s really sad to see the attention to detail degrade over the course of a couple years with blizzard
So, just as expected, Sylvanis becomes the new Jailer. It's still unclear what purpose the Maw serves. Is it a soul garbage dump? Is it supposed to be a jail? If the latter, it's clear it needs a dedicated overseer...
In what way is going into the Maw and rescuing all the souls within it her "becoming the new Jailer"?
@@joshuamitchell4158 the Maw is the Jail. She's now effectively in charge of who stays and who remains in the Maw. She's as much the Jailer as the Jailer ever was. The fact that the term Jailer has been hand waved this expansion is one of the biggest plot flaws in an expansion full of plot flaws.
@@anthonystrickland7049 Wasn’t one of the major plot points of SL that NO soul is deserving of the maw? Sylvanas isn’t deciding who gets to leave and who has to stay, she’s there to free everyone so that they can all be properly judged and sent to appropriate afterlives. This is nothing like the Jailer, not even by the literal definition of the word.
@@joshuamitchell4158 wasn't one of the major story beats about the Venthyr judgment being that they are a last chance for redemption and that of they fail they are cast into the Maw?
Hint: Ritual of Judgement
It's not that no soul deserves to be cast into the Maw. The issue brought up is that every soul deserves a chance at redemption, not that no soul deserves to be there. Arthas was denied that chance and cast directly in by Uther. Him going to the Maw isn't the problem, but the fact that he didn't go to Revendreth and get that chance.
That scurge retcon about how they just split in random groups under their own lords is just bad.
It makes the whole ending of wotlk and "there should always be a lich king" line that forced Bolvar on the throne a big lie.
Andurin probably there to further discuss with sylvanas the things the jailer saw. So when he comes back he will ge able to lead the armies of the (light)universe into battle.(like in the comic)
Vareesa: Hey guys, remember I’m her sister and I exist!
I feel like the reason Blizzard didn't really use her character in Bfa or Shadowlands is bc of the High elf drama.
Hard to give Blizzard any grace, their wins are not "good", but "the best they could have done with what they had to work with". They set themselves up for failure, things being "not so bad" doesn't mean it's good. Screw em
thats the blizzard benchmark of excellence as it stands... "its not so bad".
Is there a way to get your link working in the UK? It goes to an American site?
Emet-Selch did bad things but he was tempered. He is a beloved character by many people. His story is so tragic. Sylvanas could have been done better. She had that tragic story. Used to love her character.
Well also Emet-Selch’s reasons are given to us in game, he tells us why even if he wasn’t tempered he would labor to ensure the rejoining was followed through. His actions are obviously bad, but they are tempered with understanding once we learn about their history.
@@TheStereovenom That is very true. We know his motivations in game which makes it easier to understand why he does what he does whereas Sylvanas her reasoning is not so clear. She was my favorite through Legion. I hated BFA. I loved her story before that.
@@emmajones8708 gotta pay like what? 30$ for a book to explain ALL of her motivations, cause that’s not just greedy. And I’ve never cared for Syl, even back in WC3 but that’s just cause her character never resonated with me. FF however? I’ve liked all the characters even Yotsuyu who had her motivations for being terrible told in game instead of in a book.
Sylvanas was partially in control of the Maw and Teldrassil didn't have that large a population to begin with. Considering the players already collectively pulled millions of NELF souls out, it shouldn't take her more than a couple days to mop up anyone still in there. Also, what about all the souls we pulled from Maw already? Shouldn't they all get pulled from their comfy new surroudnings and sent to the Arbiter as well?
THANK YOU!! For a so-called "punishment", this isnt much of one. Most of her punishment was already fulfilled by us if we did the Ardenweald campaign. And really, what's a spirit owl going to do if Sylvanas just...decided to leave?
Seriously... There's so much not right with this.
except the story only accounts for ONE Maw Walker, as you never hear them speaking of more of them, so no, MILLIONS werent saved, hundreds, thousands at best.
Yeah, no. Basically she gets to do what she wanted to do anyway: Search for her simp. Why is this a good way to end it? She isn't being punished at all. This is the fakest 'punishment' ever.
Man, I guess we should let every genocidal maniac get off if they just go out and bury the bodies of all their victims.
Isn’t the owl watching?
@@Siaman668 What's the bird going to do against a master archer?
@@captainmurphy4948 idk what is a normal human going to do against a titan god who cuts planets in half. It’s wow. Get over it
If Garrosh was a "failed" character then Sylvanas is essentially a "ruined" character, after 18 years of retcons, edits, and random changes in direction it's reached the point where I don't care what happened to my once favourite character in the end I'm just glad she's finally gone :(
I fairly well clocked out of WoW and any of the story told after Legion, including playing the game anymore - just not of the mind to give Blizzard my money any longer. So, what does it mean that the cycle of death was broken, and then fixed? Does this imply there won't be any undead or necromancy any longer? Will this have implications, in game, for Sylvanas and her Forsaken? I've always been a Forsaken fan and their grim, bitter-sweet backstories, and how they don't quite fit into the rest of the world, especially after Arthas left all the dead behind in his destructive wake in/after WC3.
The end of the expansion. Sylvanas will go to the Maw, and save only a few souls from oblivion, while her main focus will be to find Nathanos. Then she will come back to Azeroth, even though most of the souls faded to oblivion. They should have turned Sylvanas's soul to soul ash.
The smart way was to send Sylvanas to oblivion and tell the freaking covenants to do their jobs and grab every soul from the Maw.
soul ash? why not just turn it into 35 anima like they did Arthas.
@@Shiirow - That is fine by me.
@@Shiirow Total obliteration is the only choice, giving her the same fate as a better character who got shafted is just not alright -.-
"We are not gonna get her back... 'for a while'."
Only for a while? For such monumental crimes, punished in the land of dead to deliver souls to justice... this sounds like it should be eternal job. Becoming the Charon of Shadowlands. It's supposed to be punishment in the land of ethernals, not a community service...
And if she was killed, the beauty of the Shadowlands is that it would actually not be a mercy, she could be punished forever even after that.
If she was killed, Peggy could have literally just sent her soul straight to the maw to do the same job, only with no way out.
Really confused by Anduin's choice to stay. That just makes zero sense.
"Would you like 15 hours of Sylvanas?"
No. No I would not.
I still think it would have been better if Tyrande would have Sparta-kicked Sylvanas down into the Maw.
But I don't think I'm the only one who thought that. 🤣
I feel like they ruined the entire LK and also bolvar, was expecting some really insane bolvar story/gameplay but he felt so weak and pathetic, love the DK story of legion
Considering how he got his butt handed to him in the cinematic for SLs, seems they obviously cared little about making Bolvar actually cool to see as a leader of our efforts. Especially since he just. . . Hangs out in Oribos, and doesn’t do anything truly substantial besides looking into the maw a couple of times.
Bolvar can rest and be a dad again, he's served his purpose.
im confused, why is Genn Greymane and the others also in shadowlands now? When did they arrive? how?
If I could add only thing to the story it be a mini-cutscene where He is about to walk off in the Maw with The Dark Lady but you hear a slight whisper in the wind “Perhaps it’s not over after all” from another fallen prince’s lingering presence in his body
Sylvanas got ruined so hard in the past years. i am so incredibly sad, mad and triggered. I still like her - and probably will always like her - she did not deserve to be destroyed so hard since WC days.... She was who initially brought me to show interest and playing World of Warcraft. I can't stand the shitshow of story developments, plotholes, hypocrisy here and there, people being judged, others getting away scott free.... I really don't know what these past years meant to accomplish. All i know is that one of the most iconic characters - still enjoyed by a considerable amount of players - is being benched indefinite just like with illidan before and so will the game become less interesting. The horde is a mess, the forsaken will never really accept a new leader forced and shoved into their faces - at least lots of the playerbase, Sylvanas traces from the Forsaken NPCs seems to be getting deleted or minimalized as we progress now - which is utterly disgusting in itself, The Alliance is completely boring to me, they always get the moral highground, Tyrande is a raging b*tich, Jaina is annoying, the faction pride of the horde has been attacked again and agian... This whole game has become SUCH A FKN MESS.
It disappoints me that they have had to resort to books again for their story to make any sense but it is what it is. I have always felt that if they can turn WoW around I would give it another go. That said, it is still a long way off from being appealing enough for me to try again, particularly with the other options for games to play currently.
I get the feeling sometimes that Alliance players envy the horde's 'drama'. I feel though it kind of is a 'grass is greener' viewpoint. I have always felt that all players have a faction bias, even if they play and like both sides. There is always one faction's viewpoint they feel more in line with. For me as one for who that was the Horde, the 'drama' has basically been watching my faction's identity get screwed over and characters I liked feel ruined since pretty much Cata when, in Metzen's words, they decided to 'give the horde back it's fangs'. As Horde player they made me feel contempt for my own faction and forced me to support actions that were jarringly out of sync with the 'hero' image they kept trying to put on my character. Hell, we basically went though everything in MoP only to repeat the same damn mistakes two expansions later, destroying any really value to the original 'redemption' arc the horde had rushed for them in MoP, and this time the rebellion only really was successful because Sylvanas said mean things about the horde. That isn't the kind of 'drama' I think Alliance players really want.
Sadly, the fact that the horde feels so ruined to me at this point is probably yet another thing putting me off WoW. Frankly I suspect the most likely kind of content to spark my interest would be one where the factions pretty much sat out events.
if Turalyon is running the alliance for a bit, then it would make sense that there would be a bunch of lordaeron datamining. Turalyon could potentially start a crusade to retake the holy land of lordaeron
On the other hand, seeing these in sync talking animations in game, wouldn't it be great to have several different talking animations for our characters? That'd be terrific.
The biggest issue with making talking animations is all the races there are in the game plus you run into issues with gear on faces. Would be very cool if we do get them though
The ending was so easy to use to RESET the world. They were literally in a room that can rewrite reality.
Hero wins...uses the forge to rewrite history so the Jailer never escaped or could reach outside the Maw, and boom..world restored...no one has memories of it....Silvanas never corrupted...we move on.
But no....
glad that you woke from your wet dream, reality is what you see.
Hurray, i'm looking forward to what comes after Endwalker!
Same! Especially since it’s not another villain trying to one up the last and we’re back to adventures
Why are you here if youre not interested in wow
@@bane9951 because I’m supporting Bellular
What's the name of the addon that creates the dialogue boxes?
So basically Sylvyy is a classic victim of abuse where she was GAS LIGHTED for decades?
My dream ending would be Sylvanas reflects herself on what she did to every one around especially Andui then in Anduin fight she impales herself on Shalamayne to help for Anduin to break the connection with jailer.
In the end didn't get Banshee Queen that makes sense. Rather overuse of character without consistency
I'm an alliance player. But I'm going to miss Sylvanas. I've always felt she was the subject of some serious character assassination at the hands of writers for the last expansion or so. And I'm very glad she wasn't killed off.
she was never going to be killed off, not so long as her biggest fan Denuser has his way.
I have my own headcanon for the metaphysics of what we learned in Shadowlands, I’ll basically just replace what Blizzard did with my own. It fits well enough that it shouldn’t contradict any story going forward. I also have my own preferred concept for the motivation of the Jailer and Sylvanas, and it’s consistent with where we ended up. It was a very, very bumpy road, but patching up those things I think we’re in a decent position to move forward onto interesting stories that feel like Warcraft. I hope they scale back from “epic moment fixation” and try to just develop some of what we already have.
"Would you like 15 hours of Sylvanas?" Oh HELL NO!
It's always kinda annoyed me how my character has killed countless thousands of people and creatures for the most trivial of offenses, or for no offense at all. Sometimes I just kill things for fun or so I can take their stuff.
But the greatest and most genocidal villains the world has ever seen, routinely get fair trails and community service work as punishment.
They've just dropped the ball on the narrative all the way around. They could have added a dialogue between Uther and anyone else saying, "Just as we all grow stronger and change through difficult times, what would our younger selves think about who we are now? Would it change anything we've done, would it bring anyone peace?"
See, it would have a triple and quadruple meaning for him because of everything that happened while he was living, but then also that he threw Arthas' soul into the maw. It would also clarify that sylvanas' split soul wasn't that a part of her was taken away, or good/evil sides of her. It wasn't that part of her soul was taken, but her innocence and hope. What changed her was that she was defeated, traumatized, and forced into serving the Lich King. When she was "freed" from his control she was then being controlled by her trauma. It would actually be a good story...if they told it that way. Instead they didn't.
It's so easy that I still can't believe they missed it.
So erm… WTF happened to Nathanos?!?!?! Is she going to find him floating around in the Maw somewhere
"Hatred is a poison" *Wears dead eagle heads on his knees* lol
I hoped for something along the lines like 300. Just with Tyrande and Sylvanas. Just kick Sylvanas down the Maw.
Lost opportunity
If anything, I was hoping Tyrande would have used her new weapon to stab Sylvanas and watch her fall into the Maw or the in-between of the places, to let her get eaten by those creatures. That would be justice.
I freaking called that Sylvanas would have that kind of "punishment"
Yeah, freely roam the Maw, and save Nathanos. Wow, what a punishment. Then later on she will be released from the Maw to come back to Azeroth, along with Nathanos. Yep, Blizzard wants their woman villain, I mean hero.
@@cainabel6356 typical idiocy from a wow sperg.
Under using Arthas was definitely the lesser evil. I was really worried they'd end up using him as a dues ex machina plot device at the end of SL. Glad that wasn't how it went.
I'm glad that the reaction from the leaders was so mixed and we heard different things (especially Genn's and his almost fatherly concern for Anduin)
but one detail I spotted, from Uther, was the 'darkness resides in all of us'
NOW WHERE HAVE I RECENTLY HEARD THAT LINE BEFORE?
Not saying WoW can't use the same lines and stuff from others - in this case, a line from Endwalker - I just thought it was an interesting... choice.
But yeah I'm excited to see where things go from here, since there seems to have been a definite shift within the storytelling (at least I think so)
Thanks for the video, the lore and plot at this point in-game have been so laughably bad that I can't bring myself to care. I'd rather keep up on it through videos like yours than pay a monthly sub to Blizzard since the lore is generally disappointing either way. :P
That's what I've been doing. I played Shadowlands for a handful of months before growing so bored of the story. This guy has saved me so much money
Better than I thought it would be, but honestly I'm just glad this whole thing is over , sad how much they just screwed everything up. Oh & don't forget to read the book!!! The story is way to good to include just in the game you know 😉
I like sylvanas still but idk I feel like they are setting her up for a good side if they bring her back but tbh I could see them deciding to leave her there too. They fucked with her too much.
I feel sorry for the owl and i hope she remembers to swap to beast master spec for the maw...
My personal head cannon is that Genn smashing the soul lantern in Stormheim was the straw that broke the camels back for her joining the jailer.
Arthas should have been re-risen as a Forsaken. Let him lead the Forsaken after Sylvanas' fall. Theres a load they could have done with that.... Arthas coming to grips with what he did... but 20+ years later with a mind that isn't tainted by The Jailer. Could have introduced tons of storylines from that alone. (EDIT : Could have also added Uther the Lightbringer in his Angel form to stand beside Arthas as a quasi-Advisor... a la Sylvanas and Varimathras)
Another dropped chance by the Blizzard writing team.
this sounds like bad fanfic
this isn't a punishment, this is an excuse to have an off screen reason to instantly make her a "good guy"
What addon is he using for the conversation boxes?
Maybe the soul stream isn’t actually headed to the maw? There could be a divergence shortly after the path goes downward a bit. So the souls aren’t actually going to the maw.