@@rb3020 That would be almost impossible as the savings primarily comes from the fact that it's a single PCB with soldered chips on it. Upgrading it would push the cost up towards that of a regular budget PC.
@@joey199412 your pseudo fits you well... If you can upgrade it, who cares about spending a bit more ? A movable socket doesn't cost a lot, it's just an excuse to sell whole new sbc at each release.
Love the fact this thing has a VGA plug. It makes turning this into a retro games machine and plugging it into a CRT PC monitor for that vintage look really easy 😁
And a headphone jack - love the RPi400 but it is something my use case ends up seeming to need (carrying it around as an "emergency computer" to connect to displays that are available, many I find don't supply audio). Matter of fact, one of my two 400s is just connected to a VGA/audio adapter to make use of my home monitor's dual inputs, on that note 🤔
I've got an old SONY flat screen with VGA. Do these have a delay as well? Or does it only delay on digital in/out like HDMI? I see no reason why a flat should be slower than a CRT.
It truly is amazing how the old becomes new again! My first computer was a "keyboard PC". If anyone is interested look up the Vic20 from the early 80's
@@Sashazur Yeah, it was kind of like a C64. I'm not sure which one was older though. It used the old Polk programming language. I programmed my first video game on it!
That's why I'm interested in getting one of these. Reminds me of my childhood where the keyboard WAS the computer and you plugged it into a TV. They called them 'home computers' back then. I still have an old Sinclair ZX81, Radio Shack TRS-80 and a Texas Instruments TI-99 4/A in one of my closets. I have no idea if any of them still work.
Every time it appears on the screen, I keep thinking your camera's color balance is way off, but that's just because I'm used to the red of the Pi 400! I wish the Pi 400 had a built-in speaker. Would've been a very nice little quality of life improvement.
Causing market confusion is Orange Pi's bread and butter. But what's really funny is that the "800" has 6 cores and 4 GB of RAM, is not the 8th generation of anything, etc.
Really nice that they included a VGA port. This type of device is ideal for pairing up with an old monitor.There's so many old monitors with only VGA and DVI input that could find a second life in emulation and other applications. Given how difficult and expensive it is to get any new Raspberry Pi device, it's good to see these alternatives.
Yes care Bear..me too..I first saw this 800 August time..full size HDMI and VGA..my thoughts were even if the RPi version was actually available..which it isn't..sold out all over Europe..along with every other RPi SBC..this was a better choice anyway..at least for myself..most will probably prefer the Raspberry though..I just happen to dislike mini HDMI with a vengeance..and us old school can't escape VGA ports..everything I have uses them..even better with Android soon..well done Steven Zhao..he's the software engineer there
At that height, it would be amazing to have a Pi built-in inside a mechanical keyboard. Bonus points if said keyboard has hot-swappable switches (not sure about how feasible that would be)
Super doable, I'm surprised I haven't seen one yet. And with hot swap becoming standard on custom keyboards I'd be shocked if someone made one that wasn't
I don’t know much about keyboard tech except that mechanical keyboards are desirable and different people like different switches due to feel, response time, etc. What is the additional benefit of hot swappable switches?
Problem with these things is always the same: lack of opensource graphic APIs implementation, which the Pi provides. Why is that important you ask? Because not having opensource graphics ties you to an old kernel, and prevents you from using the full potential of the GPU.
Which is why browsers struggle with video decoding. But they will catch up with time like the Pi did because it didn't have accelerated graphics at first either. I'd bet if he used a custom build of ffmpeg for that chip it would play video at full speed. I had to download YT videos on my Pi at first to get proper acceleration.
@@anon_y_mousse yeah, after a year or 2 the current video codec is sometimes too hard to use for these PC. I had an Apple IPad that could no longer stream video. Also a wii u. Must get something with x Continual updates and common chipsets.
Well, I don't want a fairly obsolete gpu... as rpi models have limitations that GPUs from more than 15 years ago in many parts. The rpi4 GPU will never be able fully support OpenGL 3.0 because it does not support/lack hw 8 draw buffers some very old PC engines required it, no native support MSAA , And not going GLSL 4.00 for several DX11/OpenGL 4.x engines with limited Opengl 3.x GLSL1.30/GLSL1.40/GLSL3.3 For example Xbox classic emulation requires OpenGL 4.0 with Xemu . The GPU rpi's it's very obsolete early DX9/OpenGL 2.1 era and partially DX10/OpenGL 3.x support from ~15-20years ago . It does not have early Vulkan 1.1 api 100% implemented because it lacks hw VK_KHR_sampler_ycbcr_conversion and VK_KHR_shader_draw_parameters It is very sad that today to run OpenGL 4.x only Tegra TK1 ad higher and Apple m1/m2 can do it The rest of the manufacturers under arm are too limited driver or lack hw to offer that. The closest to offering that is Qualcomm + adreno 650 which already offers Vulkan 1.3 and several stuff for OpenGL 4.x has many things implemented and hardware prepared in the structure to implement it in its driver. We needed a gaming manufacturer for arm/risc-v that meets the requirements to implement the graphics apis of the last 15-20 years 100% with no stuck Propietary drivers NVIDIA or Apple m1 metal (on mac wrapper limited voltenVK if not exists metal backend) Only boards that have PCI-express and can inject a PC GPU with free drivers for amd GPUs or nvidia drivers already released for pci-express boards arm64 used in some servers.
@@bulletpunch9317 mostly better if compared with Mali/broadcom gpu's but missing driver implemented supporting the API . The problem is that many arm manufacturers are oriented only in android and robotic of use and throw away after years. Little effort to offer support for Linux where OpenGL support is more common compared with OpenGL ES API. Sometimes you can poorly X11/wayland stuff perfomance due poor perfomance or partially stuff implemented under linux with no official supported. The state of drivers is quite concerned very fragmented and they are rarely updated maybe you can go a little further with some custom rom for android principal development by containing a newer driver but you never get to see a notorious stagnant progress to partial Vulkan 1.1 with old development branches with no finished driver. I have seen dual source support disabled in some drivers developed by samsung or some stuff optional never implemented . The only manufacturer is the one I have mentioned Qualcomm Adreno 650 with recent mesa3d drivers open souce you can have a lot of work from what I say. I haven't seen a driver on Samsung exynos 2200 phones that fully supports Vulkan 1.2 or Vulkan 1.3 required for current DXVK (it's a DirectX to Vulkan wrapper).
As far as I know, the Pi 4 still doesn't have hardware accelerated video decoding in a browser with mainline Linux. The Pi 4 does have Vulkan support, which is only experimental with the RK3399. Unfortunately Collabora will remove it for the RK339, as they say it's making things complicated for Vulkan support for other chips. It is possible to enable OpenGL 3.3 for the RK3399 (I did that with Manjaro), which I haven't seen with the Pi 4 yet. But both lack OpenGL ES 3.2 support with mainline Linux. You can run AetherSX2 on a RK3399, but so far I only managed that with Chrome OS and using the Android app. The Pi 4 can run AetherSX2 with mainline Linux, because it supports Vulkan.
This thing looks sick! The fact that it has VGA out means you could use a VGA to Component converter to get a direct video signal out to a CRT TV, of course you'd need it to be set up at 240p resolution. If this thing can run it's own type of RetroPie or Batocera and can be switched to 240p then I want one.
Nice review! I look at the Pi-400 (and now the OrangePi-800) as a modern Commodore 64. But at $100 - it's an order of magnitude cheaper. Even Moore's law doesn't account for this reduction in cost. Amazing.
Moore's law did account for this cost-reduction, and you can actually map the relative price-to-performance of various Pi generations to find that the value is *decreasing* overall. The original $35 Raspberry Pi was the best bang-for-your-buck computer ever made, IMO.
@@dial2616 I'd like to see your numbers on Moore's law for this… But as far as I can tell the raspberry pi 400 and or the orange 800 should cost $599 like the Commodore 64 did. the fact that it's 1/6 the cost is what I'm pointing to is having done better than Moore's law
it's not much faster than an over locked pi4. That power brick is doing most of the work. Thank Alder Lake for bringing good Big.little scheduling to Linux. Hopefully Pi5 will be power efficient.
@@ch4.hayabusa Ah that's a shame. I wouldn't consider myself a RPi fanboy or anything, but I'm so happy with their products, that I'd much rather wait for a Pi5 to see what they got up their sleeve. Besides, my Pi3 and Pi4 are still working well...so in no real rush to use a Pi800 lol
dude this looks sick. I'm not a huge raspberry pi fan when it comes to personal computing use, it's just not fast enough, however the rk3399 does have noticeable improvements
This type of SBC (keyboard type) would be great for schools... Get each student one, and they just have to get monitors for them to use in the classrooms. You could teach robotics or even just programming with them, or use them for word processing, etc.
I think there's a kind of confusion here about Armbian. It's not like a separate OS. It's just a team (a great team, btw) who're working to make few other OSes like Debian and Ubuntu to work a bit better on a wide variety of different arm cpus, by tweaking various things like set of kernel modules and their settings. And they also redistribute those resulted images of those OS + scripts to create your own images, if needed. But that is it. It's not a separate OS
Its a lot more then just a separate OS. That's the point. Most Linux distributions on the market just take a base, make a new wallpaper / theme ... and its a new distribution.
RK3399 is quite powerful. Well sufficient for every day office and browsing tasks. I like the connection options of that device. Especially having HDMI and VGA gives you the option to plug in 2 monitors if you have an old VGA display lying around somewhere or use an adapter.
@@monochrome_linux I'd consider it more of a modern-off-the-shelf remake of the C64, cranked up to 11. Still a 6502 at heart, but it's capabilities are pushed to the limits. So it's more of a development of the C64, rather than a successor. Though I've just seen the video was released yesterday, so i'm gonna take a look Pi400 and Pi800 on the other hand are true modern systems, that can be used for everyday tasks. I am curious to see what the X16 can do.
When it comes to emulation performance on SBCs and units like this you might want to try grabbing the retropie install script, setting the OS to boot to the terminal by default (you can always type startx to manually start the GUI) and then run the retropie script and have it compile things from source so they are tweaked for that board and you don't have the overhead of the desktop environment in the background.
cool little gadget. on a personal note i would like to see a revision either with this or with the PI where it is usable as just a plain keyboard, flip a switch on the back and you can boot the system built in to the keyboard. flip it back and its just another keyboard
Years ago, 2018 I think, I pre-ordered a Rock960 (RK3399), waited forever for it to come, and installed it into a tenkeyless mechanical keyboard along with a USB hub. It's been gathering dust for a long time since then, since the promised Ubuntu driver support for GPU didn't come.
Awesome: I hope they release something like the "Pro" version of this: 8GB LPDD4 Ram, Wireless mouse, Stereo Speaker and an internal slot for an SSD. Maybe with a prince range within $150-$199. This could make it as a more decent traveling cyberdeck.
I can't shake the bad reputation I remember getting from Orange Pi's really bad customer support from a few years ago. This product looks interesting but if they can't provide long-term support and enhance the product down the road then I'm not sure why I would spend time on a system that will fade away. (change my mind OP)
There's no reason to change your mind. Once you realize that Raspberry Pi is junk too (Broadcom GPU and software issues), you'll come full circle back to x86.
My experiences have to do with unsupported features like full GPU support after the product has been on the market for over a year. I'm primarily a Linux developer and their lack of a good plan to support the platform leaves me underwhelmed.
I hope the Orange Pi ecosystem continues to grow. They've been around awhile and have a lot of unique boards at acceptable prices, and they're still available. The smaller community makes it a bit more challenging to find solutions/answers for them, but they're still fun to tinker with. I've been using a few Orange Pi Zero boards to run Octoprint for a couple of years now without any major hiccups (other than the initial setup). I'd love to use Raspberry Pis for everything, but the shortages (and scalping) has had a major impact on their availability.
Im waiting for RISCV Hardware. Dont get me wrong i like Arm, it is really power effecient and its becoming really powerful but the code is still proprietery so hopefully we get powerful RISCV hardware soon in the future
I really hope orange pi gets more support like the raspberry pi. I will say keep in mind that most of the orange pi's that are LTS, not the os lts but the name of the biard is something like orange pi 3/4 LTS, currently do not have wifi support on the current kernel. Its seems that it has to do something with the new wifi chip they are using. Apparently they only work with the OS that they provide from there website and do not work with ones directly from othe places like Armbian, mint, or manjaro. So I would be interested to see if they are using the older wifi module on this one or atleast one that is more supported than the new one they are using on most boards. Last thing I will say that if you want to use one as a desktop computer than definetly use one with at least 4gb of ram. I have the orange pi 3 LTS with only 2gb ram and in a desktop environment its pretty slow but just cli work great.
Awesome video and I am glad to see more SBC Arm configurations. All In One usually means keyboard, computer and display and this gripe is leading me to this question. Why buy this when we have a higher spec Chromebooks on the second hand market going for a lot less? I consider this channel a tinkering/emulation one, so maybe you should tap into modding a cheap laptop/Chromebook vs this Arm offering, providing Linux and a screen as an AIO alternative. Pushing the ARM narrative.
would love to see manjaro running on this (though not my favorite archlinux derivative) Also would love to see how this performs with a well done overclock
The title should read "A brand New etc". 'An' is only used before a noun that starts with a vowel or vowel sound. Like an apple, or an elephant, or an igloo.
This new kind of computer should came with ram and SD in their slot versions. There is space and plenty of options (specially for ddr3L sodimm and m2 SATA/nvme)
Does it support video over type-c...? So we can do a single type-c cable with a mini touch display for power touch and video out.. It would be a really nice setup
100 bucks... not to shabby ngl... im almost tempted to grab one right now. but im fiddling with a pi zero 2 w right now setting up some vintage gaming on it. hopefully we can see these with one of them newer rk chips in a little time
I clicked on the link and it seemed that the Amazon link was grayed out. Amazon is an extra $10 at $109 plus an extra $20 S&H. Still not a bad price. Willing to pick this up just to play around with Android or Ubuntu.
With this custom keyboard & custom pc board as well as just plugging in and the OS boots with the unit being instantly useful, weve come full circle with this... these machines are modern day Commodore64s & 128s
This looks very promising, I just hope they can get the software end of things ironed out OR we can get a version of Twister or the like...Ive seen a few Orange pi reviews (just the board) and the orange pi os has some issues. PLEASE keep us informed if you hear anything!
Firefox up until recently did not have GPU video decoding enabled by default. It is now but it is pretty recent. Make sure Firefox is pretty new, like a build from within the last few months. It might also just not work on ARM GPUs by default. I think the video decode path is libva so the GPU has to be supported by that.
I want a setup with all the hated ports. There are machines that put people stuck with unwanted locked in transfer methods, so there could be a benefit of specializing.
I'm enamored, but just like the pi400, there's only 4gb of ram which is way too little for decent desktop use. I would love to see an 8gb variant and it would be great!
Like WTF why not 8 GB or even upto 64 GB Ram? But it is good that it is faster than the pi400; and that someone else is producing pi400 clones. Cause I think you can't even buy the pi400 out of stock. Maybe they'll make a variant version of the pi800 with atleast 8 GB ram. Glad someone else thinks like me; 1st thing I wanted to see was how much ram. Too bad there wasn't an option like a ARM GPU BUS and you could hook up a external GPU.
Can't wait for the Android review of this. I'm not Linux savvy, not interested in being Linux savvy, and most everything I'm interstate in can be run on Android Hell, I'm currently using my Samsung S20FE with Samsung Dex for most of my "desktop" experiences. Would love to see how Minecraft (Android) runs. I use Samsung Dex to play that as well. I prefer to play Minecraft mouse and keyboard, but for some reason the Android version of Minecraft runs better than on my PS4. Less lag, less input delay. Wierd my phone has better performance than a dedicated game console. Would be cool to see! Have a great day Prime!
I hope more companies keep making these new Microcomputers based on ARM and Single board computers.
I agree but would like it to be expandable and upgradable like normal PCs and laptop motherboards
@@rb3020 That would be almost impossible as the savings primarily comes from the fact that it's a single PCB with soldered chips on it. Upgrading it would push the cost up towards that of a regular budget PC.
@@joey199412 your pseudo fits you well... If you can upgrade it, who cares about spending a bit more ? A movable socket doesn't cost a lot, it's just an excuse to sell whole new sbc at each release.
x86 is better. Intel should flood the market with Jasper Lake and Alder Lake-N. ODROID-H3 is coming in at $129.
I want see Rockship 3588 pc.
Love the fact this thing has a VGA plug. It makes turning this into a retro games machine and plugging it into a CRT PC monitor for that vintage look really easy 😁
And a headphone jack - love the RPi400 but it is something my use case ends up seeming to need (carrying it around as an "emergency computer" to connect to displays that are available, many I find don't supply audio). Matter of fact, one of my two 400s is just connected to a VGA/audio adapter to make use of my home monitor's dual inputs, on that note 🤔
Android on crt, not vintage... But very interesting.
Give it to a 9 year old child with a basic VGA monitor.
@@ricky4673 He said GAMES Breh.
I've got an old SONY flat screen with VGA. Do these have a delay as well? Or does it only delay on digital in/out like HDMI? I see no reason why a flat should be slower than a CRT.
It truly is amazing how the old becomes new again! My first computer was a "keyboard PC". If anyone is interested look up the Vic20 from the early 80's
Hmm I don’t think I’ve ever heard of the VIC-20? Was that something like the C64 I also think I’ve heard of once maybe? 🧐😂
@@Sashazur Yeah, it was kind of like a C64. I'm not sure which one was older though. It used the old Polk programming language. I programmed my first video game on it!
I had a ti-994a as my first computer.
Mine too 😃
That's why I'm interested in getting one of these. Reminds me of my childhood where the keyboard WAS the computer and you plugged it into a TV. They called them 'home computers' back then. I still have an old Sinclair ZX81, Radio Shack TRS-80 and a Texas Instruments TI-99 4/A in one of my closets. I have no idea if any of them still work.
Every time it appears on the screen, I keep thinking your camera's color balance is way off, but that's just because I'm used to the red of the Pi 400!
I wish the Pi 400 had a built-in speaker. Would've been a very nice little quality of life improvement.
Yeah, or at least an audio jack.
If the Orange Pi had a 40 pin GPIO port it would be a real contender for me :(
me tooo Pi400. That Pi800 is much better GPU???
Hey I know you
@@TomNook. how?
Damn, for a second I was so happy thinking that Raspberry Pi 800 is released 😔
That confusion is 100% intended. I don't want to reward that behavior tbh.
@@HelgiWaag Yeah, there is no way now that I will buy anything from Orange Pi
Causing market confusion is Orange Pi's bread and butter. But what's really funny is that the "800" has 6 cores and 4 GB of RAM, is not the 8th generation of anything, etc.
@@youtwobe3507 its just because 800 is 2×400, maybe orange pi is telling that their version is double the performance than raspberry pi !? Idk
Yeah, unsubbed from ETA, loved his content, but this whole "Gotcha!" tactic with intentionally misleading titles is infuriating and terrible behavior.
Maybe an emulation speed comparison between the Pi400 and the "Pi" 800?
Really nice that they included a VGA port. This type of device is ideal for pairing up with an old monitor.There's so many old monitors with only VGA and DVI input that could find a second life in emulation and other applications. Given how difficult and expensive it is to get any new Raspberry Pi device, it's good to see these alternatives.
Yes care Bear..me too..I first saw this 800 August time..full size HDMI and VGA..my thoughts were even if the RPi version was actually available..which it isn't..sold out all over Europe..along with every other RPi SBC..this was a better choice anyway..at least for myself..most will probably prefer the Raspberry though..I just happen to dislike mini HDMI with a vengeance..and us old school can't escape VGA ports..everything I have uses them..even better with Android soon..well done Steven Zhao..he's the software engineer there
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I love these things. They're like a throwback to the old 8/16 bit micros of the past.
Yeah, I immediately thought Commodore 64.
At that height, it would be amazing to have a Pi built-in inside a mechanical keyboard. Bonus points if said keyboard has hot-swappable switches (not sure about how feasible that would be)
Super doable, I'm surprised I haven't seen one yet. And with hot swap becoming standard on custom keyboards I'd be shocked if someone made one that wasn't
I don’t know much about keyboard tech except that mechanical keyboards are desirable and different people like different switches due to feel, response time, etc. What is the additional benefit of hot swappable switches?
@@Sashazur it males it easy to change the switches, otherwise you'd have to desolder them and that's a pain
Just in time! I was searching for a video from you about this, couldn’t find it and here it is
Problem with these things is always the same: lack of opensource graphic APIs implementation, which the Pi provides.
Why is that important you ask? Because not having opensource graphics ties you to an old kernel, and prevents you from using the full potential of the GPU.
Which is why browsers struggle with video decoding. But they will catch up with time like the Pi did because it didn't have accelerated graphics at first either. I'd bet if he used a custom build of ffmpeg for that chip it would play video at full speed. I had to download YT videos on my Pi at first to get proper acceleration.
@@anon_y_mousse yeah, after a year or 2 the current video codec is sometimes too hard to use for these PC. I had an Apple IPad that could no longer stream video. Also a wii u.
Must get something with x
Continual updates and common chipsets.
Well, I don't want a fairly obsolete gpu... as rpi models have limitations that GPUs from more than 15 years ago in many parts.
The rpi4 GPU will never be able fully support OpenGL 3.0 because it does not support/lack hw 8 draw buffers some very old PC engines required it, no native support MSAA ,
And not going GLSL 4.00 for several DX11/OpenGL 4.x engines with limited Opengl 3.x GLSL1.30/GLSL1.40/GLSL3.3
For example Xbox classic emulation requires OpenGL 4.0 with Xemu .
The GPU rpi's it's very obsolete early DX9/OpenGL 2.1 era and partially DX10/OpenGL 3.x support from ~15-20years ago .
It does not have early Vulkan 1.1 api 100% implemented because it lacks hw VK_KHR_sampler_ycbcr_conversion and VK_KHR_shader_draw_parameters
It is very sad that today to run OpenGL 4.x only Tegra TK1 ad higher and Apple m1/m2 can do it
The rest of the manufacturers under arm are too limited driver or lack hw to offer that.
The closest to offering that is Qualcomm + adreno 650 which already offers Vulkan 1.3 and several stuff for OpenGL 4.x has many things implemented and hardware prepared in the structure to implement it in its driver.
We needed a gaming manufacturer for arm/risc-v that meets the requirements to implement the graphics apis of the last 15-20 years 100% with no stuck Propietary drivers NVIDIA or Apple m1 metal (on mac wrapper limited voltenVK if not exists metal backend)
Only boards that have PCI-express and can inject a PC GPU with free drivers for amd GPUs or nvidia drivers already released for pci-express boards arm64 used in some servers.
@@bulletpunch9317 mostly better if compared with Mali/broadcom gpu's but missing driver implemented supporting the API .
The problem is that many arm manufacturers are oriented only in android and robotic of use and throw away after years.
Little effort to offer support for Linux where OpenGL support is more common compared with OpenGL ES API.
Sometimes you can poorly X11/wayland stuff perfomance due poor perfomance or partially stuff implemented under linux with no official supported.
The state of drivers is quite concerned very fragmented and they are rarely updated maybe you can go a little further with some custom rom for android principal development by containing a newer driver but you never get to see a notorious stagnant progress to partial Vulkan 1.1 with old development branches with no finished driver.
I have seen dual source support disabled in some drivers developed by samsung or some stuff optional never implemented .
The only manufacturer is the one I have mentioned Qualcomm Adreno 650 with recent mesa3d drivers open souce you can have a lot of work from what I say.
I haven't seen a driver on Samsung exynos 2200 phones that fully supports Vulkan 1.2 or Vulkan 1.3 required for current DXVK (it's a DirectX to Vulkan wrapper).
As far as I know, the Pi 4 still doesn't have hardware accelerated video decoding in a browser with mainline Linux. The Pi 4 does have Vulkan support, which is only experimental with the RK3399. Unfortunately Collabora will remove it for the RK339, as they say it's making things complicated for Vulkan support for other chips. It is possible to enable OpenGL 3.3 for the RK3399 (I did that with Manjaro), which I haven't seen with the Pi 4 yet. But both lack OpenGL ES 3.2 support with mainline Linux. You can run AetherSX2 on a RK3399, but so far I only managed that with Chrome OS and using the Android app. The Pi 4 can run AetherSX2 with mainline Linux, because it supports Vulkan.
This thing looks sick! The fact that it has VGA out means you could use a VGA to Component converter to get a direct video signal out to a CRT TV, of course you'd need it to be set up at 240p resolution. If this thing can run it's own type of RetroPie or Batocera and can be switched to 240p then I want one.
NB: that is not a 40 pin GPIO header, it's a 26 pin.
Nice review! I look at the Pi-400 (and now the OrangePi-800) as a modern Commodore 64. But at $100 - it's an order of magnitude cheaper. Even Moore's law doesn't account for this reduction in cost. Amazing.
Moore's law did account for this cost-reduction, and you can actually map the relative price-to-performance of various Pi generations to find that the value is *decreasing* overall. The original $35 Raspberry Pi was the best bang-for-your-buck computer ever made, IMO.
@@dial2616 I'd like to see your numbers on Moore's law for this… But as far as I can tell the raspberry pi 400 and or the orange 800 should cost $599 like the Commodore 64 did. the fact that it's 1/6 the cost is what I'm pointing to is having done better than Moore's law
Now calling it a 'pi800' is just confusing - it made me think it was the upgrade to the Raspberry Pi400
it's not much faster than an over locked pi4. That power brick is doing most of the work.
Thank Alder Lake for bringing good Big.little scheduling to Linux. Hopefully Pi5 will be power efficient.
@@ch4.hayabusa Ah that's a shame. I wouldn't consider myself a RPi fanboy or anything, but I'm so happy with their products, that I'd much rather wait for a Pi5 to see what they got up their sleeve. Besides, my Pi3 and Pi4 are still working well...so in no real rush to use a Pi800 lol
16GB memory and ability to stream video well under Linux is when these would become interesting as desktop computers
dude this looks sick. I'm not a huge raspberry pi fan when it comes to personal computing use, it's just not fast enough, however the rk3399 does have noticeable improvements
We want a performance video on this, test emulation as far as GameCube and ps2, and some benchmarks if possible
Audio out, full sized hdmi and vga... I'm sold!
This type of SBC (keyboard type) would be great for schools... Get each student one, and they just have to get monitors for them to use in the classrooms. You could teach robotics or even just programming with them, or use them for word processing, etc.
Glad to see it has a full sized HDMI port, because the Pi 400 has mini HDMI and it's hard to find cables and they are very fragile.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”
Orange Pi: *INTENSELY SINCERE*
I think there's a kind of confusion here about Armbian. It's not like a separate OS. It's just a team (a great team, btw) who're working to make few other OSes like Debian and Ubuntu to work a bit better on a wide variety of different arm cpus, by tweaking various things like set of kernel modules and their settings. And they also redistribute those resulted images of those OS + scripts to create your own images, if needed. But that is it. It's not a separate OS
That's... Like every other Linux distro.
Its a lot more then just a separate OS. That's the point. Most Linux distributions on the market just take a base, make a new wallpaper / theme ... and its a new distribution.
RK3399 is quite powerful. Well sufficient for every day office and browsing tasks.
I like the connection options of that device. Especially having HDMI and VGA gives you the option to plug in 2 monitors if you have an old VGA display lying around somewhere or use an adapter.
I wanna see more of these, the perfect device for both hobbyists and to teach children how to code and develop
Pi400 and Pi800 are the comps we wanted to replace the C64.
This is absolutely the way that C64 mini should have gone.
Well.. technically, the proper sucessor for a commodore 64 should be the commander X16 from the TH-camr 8 bit guy amd his team.
@@monochrome_linux I'd consider it more of a modern-off-the-shelf remake of the C64, cranked up to 11.
Still a 6502 at heart, but it's capabilities are pushed to the limits.
So it's more of a development of the C64, rather than a successor.
Though I've just seen the video was released yesterday, so i'm gonna take a look
Pi400 and Pi800 on the other hand are true modern systems, that can be used for everyday tasks.
I am curious to see what the X16 can do.
When it comes to emulation performance on SBCs and units like this you might want to try grabbing the retropie install script, setting the OS to boot to the terminal by default (you can always type startx to manually start the GUI) and then run the retropie script and have it compile things from source so they are tweaked for that board and you don't have the overhead of the desktop environment in the background.
cool little gadget. on a personal note i would like to see a revision either with this or with the PI where it is usable as just a plain keyboard, flip a switch on the back and you can boot the system built in to the keyboard. flip it back and its just another keyboard
Looks like a great compact PC for basic computing tasks on the cheap. It would be nice to see a Kubuntu ARM with the KDE Plasma desktop for it.
Got to try out a Pi400 last year. Though it was great. Nice to see there is some competition out there.
This is such a throwback to 8 bit and 16 bit home computers and I think they're brilliant.
these things are great for all that old PC emulation. Amiga, Commodore, Apple 2, etc. Love these things.
These would be great as a remote access system too. Access up your main PC from just a keyboard plugged into a screen
Years ago, 2018 I think, I pre-ordered a Rock960 (RK3399), waited forever for it to come, and installed it into a tenkeyless mechanical keyboard along with a USB hub. It's been gathering dust for a long time since then, since the promised Ubuntu driver support for GPU didn't come.
Orange: "Hey, lemmie copy your homework!"
"OK, just change it up a bit so it doesn't look suspicious..."
This is quite exciting, looking forward to an Android / Linux hybrid OS like Volks PC for the best of both worlds.
I do love the "breadbin" style computer formfactor.
Dang it! You had me excited for a Raspberry Pi 5 based all-in-one computer like a next gen version of the Pi400.
I hope we get a Raspberry Pi 500 now that the Pi 5 and the CM5 are out.
Awesome: I hope they release something like the "Pro" version of this: 8GB LPDD4 Ram, Wireless mouse, Stereo Speaker and an internal slot for an SSD. Maybe with a prince range within $150-$199. This could make it as a more decent traveling cyberdeck.
I can't shake the bad reputation I remember getting from Orange Pi's really bad customer support from a few years ago. This product looks interesting but if they can't provide long-term support and enhance the product down the road then I'm not sure why I would spend time on a system that will fade away. (change my mind OP)
Buying to watch it fade…😂
The RK3399 is well supported by multiple distros. I'm expecting that Manjaro and Armbian will support the Orange Pi 800.
There's no reason to change your mind. Once you realize that Raspberry Pi is junk too (Broadcom GPU and software issues), you'll come full circle back to x86.
My experiences have to do with unsupported features like full GPU support after the product has been on the market for over a year. I'm primarily a Linux developer and their lack of a good plan to support the platform leaves me underwhelmed.
@@johncnorris In that case it's probably better to keep an eye on Panfrost and Hantro.
I love this form factor. I really love this form factor. Some USB game controllers and all my 80s/90s computing dreams come true.
Any word on Android yet? Just got my OrangePi800 in the mail. Thank you. Keep up the good work. Glad you got the OP PC now.
I would love to see Manjaro ARM running on this machine 👍
After computers miniaturized enough to go handheld they are now going back to their microcomputer roots, I like it.
I hope the Orange Pi ecosystem continues to grow. They've been around awhile and have a lot of unique boards at acceptable prices, and they're still available. The smaller community makes it a bit more challenging to find solutions/answers for them, but they're still fun to tinker with. I've been using a few Orange Pi Zero boards to run Octoprint for a couple of years now without any major hiccups (other than the initial setup). I'd love to use Raspberry Pis for everything, but the shortages (and scalping) has had a major impact on their availability.
Thank god I got my rpi 4gig 128 PC before all of this shortage happened.
Orangepi ecosystem is quite big. Just check armbian forums.
Can you compare some tests with the pi 400 side by side? Would be nice to know how much faster it is
Im waiting for RISCV Hardware. Dont get me wrong i like Arm, it is really power effecient and its becoming really powerful but the code is still proprietery so hopefully we get powerful RISCV hardware soon in the future
RISC-V will have the same ecosystem fragmentation and proprietary GPU problems that you see with ARM. x86 is the true savior.
That's running XFCE. If you get bored, install the Chicago95 theme and make it look like Windows 95, it even has old Plus themes😆
I hope some company makes something like this in a tenkeyless with function keys in a normal 4 key set format.
And a touchpad🇿🇦
you need to enable hardware decoding in firefox (and hope it works) to play videos better. I android, youtube app utilises it by default
For a moment I thought this the Pi 400 with memory chip replaced with 8GB chip, but no!
4GB Ram only, that's the deal breaker. 8GB is absolute minimum before I'll even consider it.
I really hope orange pi gets more support like the raspberry pi. I will say keep in mind that most of the orange pi's that are LTS, not the os lts but the name of the biard is something like orange pi 3/4 LTS, currently do not have wifi support on the current kernel. Its seems that it has to do something with the new wifi chip they are using. Apparently they only work with the OS that they provide from there website and do not work with ones directly from othe places like Armbian, mint, or manjaro.
So I would be interested to see if they are using the older wifi module on this one or atleast one that is more supported than the new one they are using on most boards.
Last thing I will say that if you want to use one as a desktop computer than definetly use one with at least 4gb of ram. I have the orange pi 3 LTS with only 2gb ram and in a desktop environment its pretty slow but just cli work great.
This looks like my next toy project.
Awesome video and I am glad to see more SBC Arm configurations. All In One usually means keyboard, computer and display and this gripe is leading me to this question.
Why buy this when we have a higher spec Chromebooks on the second hand market going for a lot less?
I consider this channel a tinkering/emulation one, so maybe you should tap into modding a cheap laptop/Chromebook vs this Arm offering, providing Linux and a screen as an AIO alternative. Pushing the ARM narrative.
Chromebooks aren't free (software-wise). It's a lot harder, and sometimes impossible, to boot Linux from a Chromebook's UEFI
@@StevenAlexander44 Usually it is just a small screw. There are hundreds of Chromebooks out there and ETA Prime is an expert on the subject.
The device has 26 pins, not 40 pins as stated in the video.
What we need is a case like this with space for installing an ssd of some kind.
I just realized that manufacturers can make keyboard computers with just taking off the screen and touchpad
Thanks for the video. There is no 40GPIO as the Rasp on this keyboard, this is a 26GPIO.
I was searching for this comment, this should be pinned !
would love to see manjaro running on this (though not my favorite archlinux derivative) Also would love to see how this performs with a well done overclock
I agree about Manjaro and a overclock video would be nice
You want that it breaks more often ? :)
Awesome cool! And only 3 in stock in the whole entire country, right? Just like RP4? LOL. If not where can I buy one?
jeff gheerling is drooling
I hope that the folks at RetrOrangePi (emulation front end for OrangePi boards) can make a version for this model.
The title should read "A brand New etc". 'An' is only used before a noun that starts with a vowel or vowel sound. Like an apple, or an elephant, or an igloo.
Really looking forward to the Android review
This new kind of computer should came with ram and SD in their slot versions. There is space and plenty of options (specially for ddr3L sodimm and m2 SATA/nvme)
There is no hope for that. Not even the RK3588 supports SO-DIMM/DIMM RAM, just 32 GB of soldered.
Does it support video over type-c...? So we can do a single type-c cable with a mini touch display for power touch and video out.. It would be a really nice setup
I love this form factor. Would like to see an 8gb version though. Have you found any others?
Ditto. That form factor is great for a quick to setup computer.
Wait for the Orange Pi 888
RK3588 NEEDED
Having one of these is like running a laptop without the screen. Or debloating if you're an Arch user.
100 bucks... not to shabby ngl... im almost tempted to grab one right now. but im fiddling with a pi zero 2 w right now setting up some vintage gaming on it. hopefully we can see these with one of them newer rk chips in a little time
I clicked on the link and it seemed that the Amazon link was grayed out. Amazon is an extra $10 at $109 plus an extra $20 S&H. Still not a bad price. Willing to pick this up just to play around with Android or Ubuntu.
With this custom keyboard & custom pc board as well as just plugging in and the OS boots with the unit being instantly useful, weve come full circle with this... these machines are modern day Commodore64s & 128s
Why didn't they go with the rk3588? It's up to over 2x faster than the 3399
I've heard this style of computer referred to as a "keyboard wedge" think C64, Apple II, etc.
Very interesting review and will be some competition for future Raspberry Pi devices.
I wish they would put one of these in a high quality mechanical keyboard.
Would be nice to have laptop hardware in that tiny keyboard. Love the idea.
It can't be that hard to add a screen to this and sell it as a laptop.
@@wayland7150 no screen, just keyboard. And endless possibilities to plug in to any monitor, tv.
@@mattusz1406 you were the one who said "would be nice to have a full laptop setup" what does that even mean if not a keyboard with screen??
This looks very promising, I just hope they can get the software end of things ironed out OR we can get a version of Twister or the like...Ive seen a few Orange pi reviews (just the board) and the orange pi os has some issues. PLEASE keep us informed if you hear anything!
The board looks well designed, only M.2 slot is missing for SSD.
Yes, would like to see Manjaro test.
Ordered mine over five weeks ago… shipping on a slow boat from china I guess. I already use a 400, and four other pi4’s that I like a lot.
Wish they went ahead and made it a full size keyboard/ The pi400, while cool, sucks to type on for long periods of time.
I want something like this with an 8 core CPU and 8GB RAM
hello eta, I've never seen you make a video with a crt screen.
I wish that Raspberry Pi company would create more stock, because they only offer the RPi 4 for over $100 I remember when they were reasonable priced.
They would if they could. But if they can’t get the chips they need what are they supposed to do?
Firefox up until recently did not have GPU video decoding enabled by default. It is now but it is pretty recent. Make sure Firefox is pretty new, like a build from within the last few months. It might also just not work on ARM GPUs by default. I think the video decode path is libva so the GPU has to be supported by that.
I'd like to see how it runs Android perhaps with a touch screen too.
So the only way to have two monitors is if you have an old VGA monitor or an adapter. Point goes to Raspberry Pi on that front.
I want a setup with all the hated ports. There are machines that put people stuck with unwanted locked in transfer methods, so there could be a benefit of specializing.
That's a pretty impressive offering. Decent price too! Thanks for the review.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail it thought raspberry pi made a new pi lol I searched it up but nothing came up lol
That Android source graphic looked like the N from Nougat - that would be very old if so. Rockchip's 3399's BSP not supported beyond Android 7?
They state android 12 image is in the way.
This design form factor makes a lot sense.
I'm enamored, but just like the pi400, there's only 4gb of ram which is way too little for decent desktop use. I would love to see an 8gb variant and it would be great!
Agreed, given the name, you'd think they'd at least throw in 8GB of RAM. A M.2 slot wouldn't hurt either...
Like WTF why not 8 GB or even upto 64 GB Ram? But it is good that it is faster than the pi400; and that someone else is producing pi400 clones. Cause I think you can't even buy the pi400 out of stock. Maybe they'll make a variant version of the pi800 with atleast 8 GB ram. Glad someone else thinks like me; 1st thing I wanted to see was how much ram. Too bad there wasn't an option like a ARM GPU BUS and you could hook up a external GPU.
very nice! wish the keyboard was black and orange though, i used to have a spectrum id love to pimp it with spectrum decals 😄
you know of a similar retro device in black Mr. Prime? 😮 tell me your secrets! 😆
Can't wait for the Android review of this. I'm not Linux savvy, not interested in being Linux savvy, and most everything I'm interstate in can be run on Android
Hell, I'm currently using my Samsung S20FE with Samsung Dex for most of my "desktop" experiences.
Would love to see how Minecraft (Android) runs. I use Samsung Dex to play that as well. I prefer to play Minecraft mouse and keyboard, but for some reason the Android version of Minecraft runs better than on my PS4. Less lag, less input delay. Wierd my phone has better performance than a dedicated game console.
Would be cool to see!
Have a great day Prime!
have you gotten your hands in an Intel GPU yet? im very curious to see the Emulation performance of these cards
When I see "RK", I always dread the overheating. Have they improved on that front?