Proud to be a Graduate from Valencia Advanced Manufacturing. Instructor Jason Becker and Josh Lebeau arevery knowledgeable in all the Welding aspects. Grateful to have learn from the BEST! Class of 2017
As a teacher and instructor, it just makes me smile to see two generations collaborating like that at the top of their respective and collective games. Give Moffett and Red Beard a freaking hand. The content and exchange were great. Man, I'd love to have you guys as my instructors. Get the best teachers, get the best successors.
yeah it's a shame that high schools really don't help kids understand there's a lot more to this world than going to college and to be honest we got way too many college graduates that are unemployed anyways,it's easy to program a computer to do basic administrative tasks but it's going to be awhile before terminators running sub Arc machines themselves, lol
I'm glad to have gone to school here! Graduated from Josh LeBeaus first class of 2016/2017! I always recommend this school to whoever in my area is searching for a welding school because these guys know what they are doing and have done it for awhile. If I never went to this school I wouldn't be working where I am now and I couldn't be more thankful. Continue doing great Jason and Josh!
been welding over 20 years love this channel. they was talking about volts and wire speed made me smile where i work we weld lower control arm for a military vehicle were running pulse spray at 450 ipm at 54v love my job lol
Good to see the grass roots of the American renaissance in action. A terrific facility and program that is fuelling the return of quality manufacturing, product and workmanship back to the USA. Thanks for sharing.
just went to a one week class for subarc this past October, incredible experience, very satisfied and there is a high skill level for this, not just a simplistic or mind numbing task at all. Cleveland was where the school was.
I ran sub arc for 12 yrs, up to 5/64th wire. Sometimes up to 650 amps lol. Def need to pay attention or own a back gouger but believe me you learn fast.
If you want to get really good at running SUB arc and their different setups (position wise), find you a tank building company and look no further. Most (not all) tank building outfits run sub arc for the floor seam welds, corner welds and horizontal seams. The horizontal seam sub arc setup is usually called a "girth seam welder" or "3 o'clock".
Yeah that’s where I’m at now, came as a pipe welder so it’s been very interesting to learn about tank welding. Going replace a floor on a 200, next Thursday
Great stuff! Had the pleasure of working on one of these bad boys back in the mid 70s. Its purpose was to weld bridge girders up to 60m long using 1/4” electrode. A big ol’ 3 phase ac motor driving a dc generator. The hardest part of the welder’s job (operator) was to remove the excess flux without breaking the flux shield, 🤣, as the competition between the operators was to see who could retrieve the longest piece, 🤣. It was our job was to disconnect then reconnect & test operation after repair. I actually went with the gen to the elect motor repair workshop and assisted with the armature rewind. Great experience for an apprentice to follow all the work and testing. Cheers guys and thanks for the memories.
Thanks Bob, you are a legend, you have driven me to move up and move on. Going to get the aws cwi. Youu really want to see some heavy sub arc, my shop would be happy to have a field day.
I once made a sub arc welding machine mobile, with a variac so that it could weld up to 60” pipes which were 12 meters long, in one go. We fabricated coolers an condensors out of these pipes for the Dutch marine.
Best job to have in a shipyard in the cold winters up north, 20 degrees or less. 1" plate in two passes. Broom and shovel to sweep up flux, usually sweep it on your feet. Of course this was back in the 70's.
When you talked about Tower welding .....been there done that, cans( rings ), inside stringers ,flanges, and on the tower welding those bitches together , lol . My first experience with sub arc with a one hr training period cause the instructor was sick and the damn training equip broke down. Thank you folks whose name rhymes with virginity.Your new name sounds like what a drunk would do to a lady. Hope the welders I taught in handheld are doing well, since I taught the actual labs .
I learned SAW after becoming a welder kind of by fluke. Worked out to my advantage because it is a saught after skill. If you can learn how to do it then take the offer.
Just bought a welder advertised as capable of powering this type of welding (a Miller Dimension 652), I will never need this but it's interesting anyway.
This type of welding was invented in 1935 but the Soviet Union didn't know much about it. Their T34 Tanks had weak welds that the Germans exploited until 1942 when the USA taught the Russians how to do it. The T34 became a legend after that.
Umm, submerged arc welding was invented in Russia. As you say there were holes large enough to let the rain in in the T34 armour where it was welded. What has to be remembered is by the time Fritz and Hans who were masters of their trade and had completed 5 year apprenticeships were finishing their first complete bead Ivanka and Katusha who were an illiterate goat herder and nursery school teacher two weeks ago had finished welding their first tank.
@@johnparrish9215 Depends on whether you think it was Linde research or a state secret that the Russians used for making tanks before WW2 :) P.S.unsurprisingly the welds on the Russian tanks were stronger than the armour.
HOLY SHIT Bobs been teaching longer than I've been alive! BTW I'M 30! not a teenager!😳 Thought he was in his 50's, he's gotta be pushing assisted living age!
These guys are a contradiction to. "Those that can do, those that can't teach". Both have been there here, done that. These are the people who will MAGA. Mad respect guys. God bless you both.
I think that really applies to general education such as schools K-12 and most colleges and universities not trade schools. There are always exceptions at most schools though.
Sub arc is cool. You guys should post a video on the do's and don'ts for this. I wish I had an actual instructor when I was thrown into this. Just a little too much amperage turns that welder into a quiet plasma torch, lol! I work for a pipe company, anything from 25" to 111" OD. (And we sub arc on a roller.)
Lincoln does have some nice Sub-Arc machines that they make. I helped some of the guys up in Canada build some about 4 years ago, last time I looked they've updated the machines so that they can be controlled by a touchscreen . I think there was a video that they put out from Fabtech 2017 showing off the manipulator.
The new machines can be ran a few different ways. They have a new controller thats alot simpler, can be ran from a laptop or any type of computer (including a touchscreen), or can be built into an external PLC controller.
Damn, Sub arc looks very cool would love to get in on the class; but I'm in San Antonio TX, gettting ready for TIG intro and advanced classes, this Fall semester.
@@stevenmurata4392 No definitely not a farm machine. Unless you find yourself welding pieces thicker than 1" at least 4' long every day. The last big weld that stood out to me was 76" diameter and 2.25" thick circular welds. They took 12 hours straight at 750A to weld up. We used a scissors lift to reach the top because it was rotating on a set of rolls that move the part up about 18" off the floor. Its was a cool weld to do. We ended up making 3 press rolls like that for an OSB mill.
sir i want to ask you a question why you cant weld steel on AC. I tried once with tig. and it was no bueno. however i want to know what reasons stand behind this.
@@Tjm5806 a was always a curious Pearson when i hit the situation like noone use ac on Steel i want to know why. Mean i recently got a mindblow i saw explenation of electric current flow its absolutley crazy i recomend every one to se episode of sience asylum absolutley mindblowing
AC works with stick welding too, good for rutile 6013s, iron powder 7024s too. Completely eliminates arc blow when welsing structural steelwork. Spattery though.
Nathan C The basic principal of arc placement is still very much being used and knowing exactly where the wire is coming out of the cup under all the flux goes hand in hand. It is still possible to trap slag and never even know it until it gets shot. Not anyone can run sub arc
drew sperling Absolutely, you are welding blindly with only your knowledge of the operation guiding you through. I have seen some terrible messes from guys not running properly.
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Proud to be a Graduate from Valencia Advanced Manufacturing. Instructor Jason Becker and Josh Lebeau arevery knowledgeable in all the Welding aspects. Grateful to have learn from the BEST! Class of 2017
@Mark Jacobs No Wasn't Me. lol
Any relation to Jake? Go 99
Iris, are you currently working in the welding field? I hope you are able to use your training to the fullest.
As a teacher and instructor, it just makes me smile to see two generations collaborating like that at the top of their respective and collective games. Give Moffett and Red Beard a freaking hand. The content and exchange were great. Man, I'd love to have you guys as my instructors. Get the best teachers, get the best successors.
It's about time someone started teaching the Trades we need. The country has been short on these skills for many years.
@Weaver Cattle Company Yes, you are right except the industry didn't need Welders they needed CNC. Something this school teaches.
yeah it's a shame that high schools really don't help kids understand there's a lot more to this world than going to college and to be honest we got way too many college graduates that are unemployed anyways,it's easy to program a computer to do basic administrative tasks but it's going to be awhile before terminators running sub Arc machines themselves, lol
I'm glad to have gone to school here! Graduated from Josh LeBeaus first class of 2016/2017! I always recommend this school to whoever in my area is searching for a welding school because these guys know what they are doing and have done it for awhile. If I never went to this school I wouldn't be working where I am now and I couldn't be more thankful.
Continue doing great Jason and Josh!
In retrospect, Bob was conducting a job interview for his successor.
I guess he passed the test.
lmfaoo
been welding over 20 years love this channel. they was talking about volts and wire speed made me smile where i work we weld lower control arm for a military vehicle were running pulse spray at 450 ipm at 54v love my job lol
I was actually REALLY curious about this type of welding! Thank you for making this video!
Good to see the grass roots of the American renaissance in action. A terrific facility and program that is fuelling the return of quality manufacturing, product and workmanship back to the USA. Thanks for sharing.
just went to a one week class for subarc this past October, incredible experience,
very satisfied and there is a high skill level for this, not just a simplistic or mind numbing task at all. Cleveland was where the school was.
Its used in the pipeline world to on high production double joint racks, i was around it for about 4 yrs, no hood or welding gloves is superrrrr nice
I ran sub arc for 12 yrs, up to 5/64th wire. Sometimes up to 650 amps lol. Def need to pay attention or own a back gouger but believe me you learn fast.
How do you penetrate on pipe?
Wow. I missed this video back then. Is this the first time you guys met? It’s been great having Jason aboard.
Im in the process of being qualified for sub arc and watching this video gives ne some insight into it ty
Talk about old school welding! I haven't even thought about SAW since at least the 90s. What a great video!
The place I work at still uses sub arc..splicing bridge flanges and webs for girders..
Honestly, I'm glad to hear that it's still used. It's a perfectly good process, and works well in certain applications.
I HEARD ABOUT IT BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE. IT'S RARE . EXCELLENT VIDEO!
No need to scream, we hear just fine.
If you want to get really good at running SUB arc and their different setups (position wise), find you a tank building company and look no further. Most (not all) tank building outfits run sub arc for the floor seam welds, corner welds and horizontal seams. The horizontal seam sub arc setup is usually called a "girth seam welder" or "3 o'clock".
Yeah that’s where I’m at now, came as a pipe welder so it’s been very interesting to learn about tank welding. Going replace a floor on a 200, next Thursday
That slag had me drooling
Yeah I know that women who walked past wasnt bad😂😂
This channel has been very helpful to me as I've been preparing for the ICC structural welding inspector exams. Thank you gentlemen very much!
Great stuff! Had the pleasure of working on one of these bad boys back in the mid 70s. Its purpose was to weld bridge girders up to 60m long using 1/4” electrode. A big ol’ 3 phase ac motor driving a dc generator. The hardest part of the welder’s job (operator) was to remove the excess flux without breaking the flux shield, 🤣, as the competition between the operators was to see who could retrieve the longest piece, 🤣.
It was our job was to disconnect then reconnect & test operation after repair. I actually went with the gen to the elect motor repair workshop and assisted with the armature rewind. Great experience for an apprentice to follow all the work and testing.
Cheers guys and thanks for the memories.
Great “opening”, looking forward to future releases.
Thanks Bob, you are a legend, you have driven me to move up and move on. Going to get the aws cwi. Youu really want to see some heavy sub arc, my shop would be happy to have a field day.
We might hold you to that 👍
I once made a sub arc welding machine mobile, with a variac so that it could weld up to 60” pipes which were 12 meters long, in one go. We fabricated coolers an condensors out of these pipes for the Dutch marine.
So many amazing things you can do with a variac….
Best job to have in a shipyard in the cold winters up north, 20 degrees or less. 1" plate in two passes. Broom and shovel to sweep up flux, usually sweep it on your feet. Of course this was back in the 70's.
Sub arc (SAW) and electroslag (ESW) are neat processes. Great video as always, Bob. Thank you, and thank Jason on our behalf!
Thank you both.
Country needs these skills!
Continuality Making America Great Again, as always. Thank you for teaching the trades.
That "Thank you for your service" made me laugh lol
I don't even know why I'm here, but I learned a lot. Damn that was a good slag peel
These videos are great and inspirational! Thanks fellas!
When you talked about Tower welding .....been there done that, cans( rings ), inside stringers ,flanges, and on the tower welding those bitches together , lol . My first experience with sub arc with a one hr training period cause the instructor was sick and the damn training equip broke down. Thank you folks whose name rhymes with virginity.Your new name sounds like what a drunk would do to a lady. Hope the welders I taught in handheld are doing well, since I taught the actual labs .
There's a lot of sub Arc jobs in Houston Texas starting pay around $28 an hour
Shits weak...
There's also a whole bunch of people accepting them jobs.... For that pay rate in Houston
I learned SAW after becoming a welder kind of by fluke. Worked out to my advantage because it is a saught after skill. If you can learn how to do it then take the offer.
Josh Henline just like your videos with no views. 😂😂
Josh Henline what’s your point? That’s just the starting pay. I work with guys that weld SAW and they are in the $40 range
very good teachers thank you ,,,
Hey that guy looks familiar!! haha
I used sub arc to build up shafts on river boats on the Mississippi River at Missouri Drydocks in cape Girardeau mo back in the middle and late 90’s
Sub arc welding (SAW) i loved doing that at the barge manufacturing facility i worked at.
Just bought a welder advertised as capable of powering this type of welding (a Miller Dimension 652), I will never need this but it's interesting anyway.
Great video never have seen the backside of subarc have always just seen it done but nothing else. Was interesting seeing the controllers to run it.
Great video guys .. best one I've seen since I started following.. since you guys first started weld.com
Bob para cuando hay otro evento o feria sobre soldadura y accesorios .... me gustaría ir a un evento de estos o en que lugar puedo averiguar GRACIAS
I wish there were more places like this around the area I live I think it would open up a a lot more opportunity
Thanks. Learned a LOT.
...GREAT JOB BUDDY!!!!... Bead is 👌👌
I want to try this so bad!
great video
You use constant voltage or constant current power source for this application?
I want to see Bob run that Fanuc! Robotic welding is very popular especially in automotive. would make a very interesting video too.
Great stuff!!!
bob found bob of the future:) we need another BOB, we like BOB:)
omg, its only 2:03 on interview and Bob already roasting that beard guy
Roasting folks is what I do...
This type of welding was invented in 1935 but the Soviet Union didn't know much about it. Their T34 Tanks had weak welds that the Germans exploited until 1942 when the USA taught the Russians how to do it. The T34 became a legend after that.
Umm, submerged arc welding was invented in Russia. As you say there were holes large enough to let the rain in in the T34 armour where it was welded. What has to be remembered is by the time Fritz and Hans who were masters of their trade and had completed 5 year apprenticeships were finishing their first complete bead Ivanka and Katusha who were an illiterate goat herder and nursery school teacher two weeks ago had finished welding their first tank.
@@andrewallen9993 Sorry, but the inventors names were Jones , Kennedy, and Rothermund. They are not Russian.
@@johnparrish9215 Depends on whether you think it was Linde research or a state secret that the Russians used for making tanks before WW2 :)
P.S.unsurprisingly the welds on the Russian tanks were stronger than the armour.
@@johnparrish9215 My reference says it was a chap called Robinoff who invented it in 1930.
@@andrewallen9993 You may be right, I might be wrong, it will not be the first time.
HOLY SHIT Bobs been teaching longer than I've been alive!
BTW I'M 30! not a teenager!😳
Thought he was in his 50's, he's gotta be pushing assisted living age!
I'm moving in with you when I need constant care!
😆
Is the granular flux filtered and recycled or is it compromised and thrown away? Seems like a lot flux unused.
These guys are a contradiction to. "Those that can do, those that can't teach". Both have been there here, done that. These are the people who will MAGA. Mad respect guys. God bless you both.
I think that really applies to general education such as schools K-12 and most colleges and universities not trade schools. There are always exceptions at most schools though.
Sub arc is cool. You guys should post a video on the do's and don'ts for this. I wish I had an actual instructor when I was thrown into this. Just a little too much amperage turns that welder into a quiet plasma torch, lol! I work for a pipe company, anything from 25" to 111" OD. (And we sub arc on a roller.)
Adan Medrano can confirm :/
Bob can we get a thin wall socket demo with tig. 1/2” .083 wall pipe in the 5F position with 1/16” 70s filler
That's awesome that's my school
Makes me wish I went to trade school after taking welding in high school
who is this
Lincoln does have some nice Sub-Arc machines that they make. I helped some of the guys up in Canada build some about 4 years ago, last time I looked they've updated the machines so that they can be controlled by a touchscreen . I think there was a video that they put out from Fabtech 2017 showing off the manipulator.
The new machines can be ran a few different ways. They have a new controller thats alot simpler, can be ran from a laptop or any type of computer (including a touchscreen), or can be built into an external PLC controller.
Cool!
It would be really cool if you came to OSU to visit our welding engineering lab!
Great post. If possible show the portable process. Thanks.
1316 metal worker. Ooh rah!
The Champlins Semper Fi Brother.
_(in-video link)_
"Tool Welders for Hacks"
Cool! Unrelated question: can you diagnose premature dementia? Asking for a friend.
Our factory has been specializing in manufacturing submerged arc flux for 30 years, with win-win cooperation.
Slick!!!
Damn, Sub arc looks very cool would love to get in on the class; but I'm in San Antonio TX, gettting ready for TIG intro and advanced classes, this Fall semester.
What are the plus & minus characteristics of this process? (Machine might be a bit pricey.)
Fast deposition. High quality, repeatable welds.
Limited to flat, some horizontal welds.
Very pricey machines. We have a 6m x 6m positioner here at work. Easily 100K invested. But it is extremely productive and very high quality welds.
@@geoffmooregm Thanks, guess not buying one for the farm, lol. (I cost less than $100k to operate, lol.)
@@stevenmurata4392 No definitely not a farm machine. Unless you find yourself welding pieces thicker than 1" at least 4' long every day.
The last big weld that stood out to me was 76" diameter and 2.25" thick circular welds. They took 12 hours straight at 750A to weld up. We used a scissors lift to reach the top because it was rotating on a set of rolls that move the part up about 18" off the floor. Its was a cool weld to do. We ended up making 3 press rolls like that for an OSB mill.
Hello what bachelor degree did you do
Hahaha lol I thought it was the Guitar--God Jason Becker... But its the Weld-God
I was a Navy Welder
Legit!
Cool 👍
How similar is the flux on that to a stick electrode
Completely different
Why ain’t bob doin vids anymore, I miss him, don’t me wrong I do like what y’all got goin on now too!
sir i want to ask you a question why you cant weld steel on AC. I tried once with tig. and it was no bueno. however i want to know what reasons stand behind this.
The EP cycle contaminates the tungsten.
You can actually run AC subarc on steel. It actually improves deposition rates.
@@Tjm5806 a was always a curious Pearson when i hit the situation like noone use ac on Steel i want to know why. Mean i recently got a mindblow i saw explenation of electric current flow its absolutley crazy i recomend every one to se episode of sience asylum absolutley mindblowing
AC works with stick welding too, good for rutile 6013s, iron powder 7024s too. Completely eliminates arc blow when welsing structural steelwork.
Spattery though.
So that's what a real welding school looks like. Won't find that at Seminole State.
Truth.
How/NOT/to/do/it if you’re in Central Florida, come check us out.
The ones who disliked this video own Miller's.
What’s a hog spot?
Im running 33-34 volts when welding manual for 1g, and 29v on 2g
Can the loose flux pellets be reused?
Beach&BoardFan Yes, most set ups have a vacuum on the back side that pulls the unused flux and puts it back in the hopper
Cool, thats what I thought was going on with that vacuum hose, but didnt want to assume.
That would be a lot of money wasted if it didn’t recycle the unused flux.
Is the slag recycled or is it a spent consumable?
David Waggoner only the unused flux is recycled the slag is no longer usable
Good grief. I think I found my doppelganger. Jason Becker looks like a younger version of me...lol
Zimke42 you should have seen me when I shaved my head and had a goatee.
@@GodslilRedneck23 That is an old picture of me. I am bald but have long hair and a big beard now, though my bread isn't as magnificent as yours...lol
He called welding a trade it's an aspect of many trades but hardly a trade itself iron work is a trade.
The ones disliking this video, shave their beards with a pink gillette.
They don't teach this at Tulsa welding school
Woah
Who else realized that was red beard?
Wait, how does this not get slag inclusions?
It's basically just like a 7018 same concept just granulated flux
Like
I m Saw welder work abudhbi
👍🏻 FLUX JOE BIDEN.
Let’s Go Brandon ☠️🇺🇸☠️
Very cool but it takes the skill out of the trade
Nathan C The basic principal of arc placement is still very much being used and knowing exactly where the wire is coming out of the cup under all the flux goes hand in hand. It is still possible to trap slag and never even know it until it gets shot. Not anyone can run sub arc
i run subarc for a bridge building company harder then it looks alot can go wrong very quickly if your not paying attention🙂
drew sperling Absolutely, you are welding blindly with only your knowledge of the operation guiding you through. I have seen some terrible messes from guys not running properly.
Completely agree with these guys it's harder than it looks.
They said the same thing about mig welding when I went through welding school many years ago. It still takes knowledge, just different.
What an awkward beginning..... some strange dude that's like 300 feet away, talking to a camera? Not understanding the logic behind that....
Ih you kissimmee ni kissanime.
To much tine spent talking
I find sub arc boring