In Germany, we had the Beta Summer Reprint Displays for 149,99 € at shops. After just 3 weeks, prices went back to 175-180€/Display. If Erics Curiosa is printing another wave... that's a little bit sad, yes, but still... the market will buy them all I think! Don't forget how much fun you have, opening a Display. Every tried? DO! It is the most fun I had in opening boxes for like 15 years. That fun alone will continue selling. I wanted to keep 2 Cases of first wave Beta, but ended up opening them all up! It is ridiculous how beautiful those cards (especially Foils) are. Please calm down guys. The game will move on and prices will stabilize aggain. That is investing.. hold the line.. easy. And in the worst case, we sit on the product which is AWESOME to open. Win Win Situation if you ask me ;-) Thanks Jens and Sofi! Stay positive ♥ Edit: If Eric's Curiosa is reading - Please keep it at one more Reprint, then another bigger Set.Thanks and cheers!
Thank you, I think that is all we can decide to do and enjoy playing and collecting, while we do it. Thanks for watching the video and leaving a comment!
I believe the way forward (at least in Europe) is to fix distribution since Blackfire is a mess, and find a fulfilment company to distribute dust rewards, draft kits, and everything else that will come on the store. Next to that, providing rewards for bigger tournaments would be great (but that I believe it’s already happening, with the uncut sheets at multiple events)
The summer reprint with its superior print quality destroyed Beta’s collectability and price. Imagine they did that with Alpha. Psychologically it just makes people not want either.
I think that since a lot of people are separating the Beta print run between first and second wave, people collect the set they enjoy most. Some people prefer the more washed out look of wave 1 and the better odds of pulling multiple good cards, and others enjoy the saturation of wave 2. I don’t think we can universally conclude that no one wants to collect either, as a lot of people are doing so, and some even collect both sets. Thanks for watching the video! 🙏🏻
Thank you! We actually have one more that is uploaded and ready to go, but decided to film and put this on up first. 😉 But I am happy that you are looking forward to it! 🙏🏻
Great video guys, 100% agree with you. I’m in for the long haul. People are far too short sighted, no reason to get worried about a small bump that will most likely barely be remembered in a year.
Thank you for your soothing voice of reason. Sorcery is a new and exciting game. I am enjoying the adventure. The Sorcery team are well versed is using controversy and uncertainty to create interest and grow the game. And growing the player/collector base solves all. Stay positive! What a wondeful place to be.
Thank you. I think you bring up an excellent point, it is a very new game and it has seen overwhelming success, which has not made it easier for the company to estimate print runs vs. demand. I hope that the community can turn our focus on playing the game, collecting the beautiful cards, and enjoying the art. ❤️
I love listening to your take on the reprints and I totally agree with you both We have a great game... Fantastic art... Awesome rules coupled with an amazing community I took would like sorcery to grow More power to Sorcery... Morning power to EC and his team and more power to you two 😊
Living in the Texas, my issue isn't with the reprinting of Beta. I have issue with how summer beta has been distributed. Alpha investments and Team Covenant have sucked up most of the supply while smaller LGS's (who hold weekly play events) are left with little supply. I hope that this reprint will go to the LGS's who help grow the game. Love this game and want it to last a long time.
On the long run EC will do a good job and the game is great. But on the operational level there a some or even many misstakes in my opinion. The lack of precons and the lack of unlimited. Thank you Sofie and Jens!!
It's pretty simple. Wherever in Europe you find a booster box for 150€ it's gone almost instantly. Until you have a situation where maybe boxes at that price sit for like a month, we still have a demand. New players enter the game all the time. They want cards to play with. You cannot build constructed decks with just Arthurian Legends alone. Sp the solution is to print a bit more beta. I think the thing that they should have said at the beginning of beta is: We will watch the market and reprint as needed into Arthurian Legends as well, because with only set year we have to make sure that product is actually available. If they had said that loud and clear in the beginning no one would be fussing now. I for one am FOR the reprint. Invest in alpha, play beta and if beta becomes more valuable in 10 years it is because players that came into the game where actually able to play it now. That's my take.
Within the UK, I can only find 2 online stores selling summer beta at £142 and they have only be doing so for a few weeks. Not sure how much product they have but I’m guessing a reprint won’t arrive here for 6 months so I will welcome some extra supply ahead of the next release since I’m pretty confident summer beta stock in the UK will have gone by then.
For sure mate. Supply in the UK was never that robust. I've certainly not seen any summer beta, and the prices are definitely inflated compared to the rest of Europe.
I like your perspective. EC is clearly trying hard to hit the sweet spot for collectors and players to grow the game. They have all the info on how best to do that. We all benefit if the game grows. I don't get the concern about the reprint, to be honest. If the game grows, the early sets will become more valuable. Even with a reprint how many boxes will be out in the world of Beta? If the game grows a lot, it will seem a very small number. If the game doesn't grow, well, how much would Beta be worth with a small player base or (gulp) a dead game? I am excited for future sets. I take this whole experience of backing a new TCG as a wild ride, a rollercoaster. There will be ups and downs. No sense to get upset over every decision EC makes, even if someone doesn't agree. They have way more at stake than any of us.
In fact the announcement stands,the train is rolling,so we can nothing do about it just trust in EC what they are doing 🤷♂️ I just don't like the rumors,whining around it of people even we really don't know,by now,what the 3rd wave means and which part of the world will get it and how many it will be. So calm down,relax,have fun,play some games,open some boxes and enjoy the beautiful community that has build around this game from the beginning. Peace 🤠✌️
Honestly I am not worried about any Beta reprint. Beta is for the players and it is the entry point to Sorcery. Cores, Duals, the majority of avatars, all that. I think EC really just needs to communicate their aims and goals. They need to explain how they plan to bring more shops in. The game needs more player growth and if it sees that then the reprints will be fine. Also worth considering that at one set a year, Beta being in print up ro set 3 is basically equivalent to the standard TCG cycle. My other thing is in response to collectability and value. I think Foils and Curios are and should be emphasized as the major collectible aspect of Sorcery. The game is new and niche. Getting in should be cheap and easy. If the non-foil prices suffer to make that happen I'm fine with that.
Thank you, we just prefer to focus on the stuff that is inside our control, and in the end the reasons we got into Sorcery haven’t changed on the fundamentals. ❤️ Hope you are having a great week! 🙂
Action is the only form of truth. The fact that they are reprinting Beta boxes but Precons are still $80+ a set tells me all I need to know regarding how their incentives are aligned with ours. Precons should have been so ridiculously common that they are practically given away. I would have liked to have seen some better traction from this company at this point and they seem to be spinning their wheels here.
They have already said that the precons are getting a reprint, or in fact they are already printed and they are awaiting the rulebook and assembly. Which might also be why a Beta reprint was needed due to the printing process, since they reprint the entire sheet and not only the precon cards. I think the fact that precons sold out only goes to show that there was a ton of demand for an entry level product with a lot of gameplay value. I remain on the camp that we don’t have enough data to fully understand the situation, and that I am still excited for future sets, enjoy my collection and play the game. Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave a comment. 🙏🏻❤️
Thanks for the video! Saw a picture of frog man Dan playing a game of 2-headed giant!😮 I want a 4 player match. Hope you will bring the mat on the 30th and stay long enough for a match or maybe we can get a match in before the tournament.
In europe we got sorcery summer right now (in winter) and there is plenty of product available and singles, the reprint is def not needed right now They should focus in improving distribution and content so the game grows, right now the game is sooo expensive for new players... precons DO NEED REPRINT, but not the booster boxes of beta. I trust EC will do the best for the future of the game
I think the precons are absolutely needed, and while some places have product now, the team has more data, that I hope they are using critically to gauge demand. I hope and trust that Erik’s Curiosa will be navigating this as best possible, to ensure that the game grows and we get to experience many more sets in the future. Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment!
I think Eric should deliver dragon cards in sealed packs of 1-3 cards to stores to be given out with AL or Beta box purchases or as prizes in events. I wouldn’t want them to only be given out in events since I don’t have the ability to attend them.
The only people who are upset about reprints are the investbros and people who buy booster boxes for speculation...basically the cancer of youtube investbros be it pokemon, sorcery, magic the gethering etc. I m a collector and I want to get 2 more master cases for the fun of opening them but I m not willing to do it at $200 a box when I can buy Flesh and Blood at $58 a box. Prices won t plummet and again only investbros are unhappy.
I think that’s far too early to say, it depends on a lot of factors, like the size and target of the reprint. The game has been far more successful than anticipated, so the growing demand would have been hard to assess correctly. I do hope that the reprint will be smaller and targeted, and that a good deal of the boxes will go to store kits and the like to get LGS’ started. Thanks for watching the video.
I see no reason to reprint beta unless they have no intention of ever releasing an unlimited print run, which i doubt they wont do. Given that being the case just release unlimited and stop reprinting beta. Just my 2 cents
Collectors are the ones keeping this game alive. There aren’t enough players, I bought three booster boxes of beta (which I opened) the singles will not appreciate.
How do we move forward? Personally going to dump what I have left and refocusing on Magic only. It was an interesting experiment and I thought this one would be different but I don’t trust that they know what they are doing.
I am sorry to hear it, I truly believe that in a couple of years the reprint will be long forgotten and Beta will be out of print. We have a major dark/sinister set, coming up in the autumn/winter next year, and Ed Beard Jr. Dragonlord set, all things I wouldn’t want to miss. We will you all the best regardless. ❤️
@ thanks for taking the time to answer, I hope you are right and I hope they will get beta out of print. I’m curious to see if they manage to survive with 1 set / year. I understand the need to reprint might also come from the need to get cash flow, 1 year for each product is a very long time for a company to run healthy. No other CCG company ever tried to run so slow and it will be interesting to see if it’s sustainable.
In Germany, we had the Beta Summer Reprint Displays for 149,99 € at shops. After just 3 weeks, prices went back to 175-180€/Display. If Erics Curiosa is printing another wave... that's a little bit sad, yes, but still... the market will buy them all I think! Don't forget how much fun you have, opening a Display. Every tried? DO! It is the most fun I had in opening boxes for like 15 years. That fun alone will continue selling. I wanted to keep 2 Cases of first wave Beta, but ended up opening them all up! It is ridiculous how beautiful those cards (especially Foils) are. Please calm down guys. The game will move on and prices will stabilize aggain. That is investing.. hold the line.. easy. And in the worst case, we sit on the product which is AWESOME to open. Win Win Situation if you ask me ;-) Thanks Jens and Sofi! Stay positive ♥
Edit: If Eric's Curiosa is reading - Please keep it at one more Reprint, then another bigger Set.Thanks and cheers!
Trust in the process
Thank you, I think that is all we can decide to do and enjoy playing and collecting, while we do it.
Thanks for watching the video and leaving a comment!
I couldn't be less concerned. Bring on the beta 🙌
I believe the way forward (at least in Europe) is to fix distribution since Blackfire is a mess, and find a fulfilment company to distribute dust rewards, draft kits, and everything else that will come on the store.
Next to that, providing rewards for bigger tournaments would be great (but that I believe it’s already happening, with the uncut sheets at multiple events)
The summer reprint with its superior print quality destroyed Beta’s collectability and price. Imagine they did that with Alpha. Psychologically it just makes people not want either.
I think that since a lot of people are separating the Beta print run between first and second wave, people collect the set they enjoy most.
Some people prefer the more washed out look of wave 1 and the better odds of pulling multiple good cards, and others enjoy the saturation of wave 2.
I don’t think we can universally conclude that no one wants to collect either, as a lot of people are doing so, and some even collect both sets.
Thanks for watching the video! 🙏🏻
You guys are great!! Keep up the good vibes!! - looking forward to more game play videos too!!
Thank you! We actually have one more that is uploaded and ready to go, but decided to film and put this on up first. 😉 But I am happy that you are looking forward to it! 🙏🏻
Great video guys, 100% agree with you. I’m in for the long haul. People are far too short sighted, no reason to get worried about a small bump that will most likely barely be remembered in a year.
more like 60 days
Thank you for your soothing voice of reason. Sorcery is a new and exciting game. I am enjoying the adventure. The Sorcery team are well versed is using controversy and uncertainty to create interest and grow the game. And growing the player/collector base solves all. Stay positive! What a wondeful place to be.
Thank you. I think you bring up an excellent point, it is a very new game and it has seen overwhelming success, which has not made it easier for the company to estimate print runs vs. demand.
I hope that the community can turn our focus on playing the game, collecting the beautiful cards, and enjoying the art. ❤️
I love listening to your take on the reprints and I totally agree with you both
We have a great game... Fantastic art... Awesome rules coupled with an amazing community
I took would like sorcery to grow
More power to Sorcery... Morning power to EC and his team and more power to you two 😊
Living in the Texas, my issue isn't with the reprinting of Beta. I have issue with how summer beta has been distributed. Alpha investments and Team Covenant have sucked up most of the supply while smaller LGS's (who hold weekly play events) are left with little supply. I hope that this reprint will go to the LGS's who help grow the game. Love this game and want it to last a long time.
I agree with the sentiment. Alpha investments has distributed 0 summer beta i'm pretty sure. Their 2 beta sales were long ago, both first wave.
Alpha Investments didn’t get or distribute any Summer Beta, only 1st Wave Beta Boxes.
On the long run EC will do a good job and the game is great. But on the operational level there a some or even many misstakes in my opinion. The lack of precons and the lack of unlimited.
Thank you Sofie and Jens!!
It's pretty simple. Wherever in Europe you find a booster box for 150€ it's gone almost instantly. Until you have a situation where maybe boxes at that price sit for like a month, we still have a demand. New players enter the game all the time. They want cards to play with. You cannot build constructed decks with just Arthurian Legends alone.
Sp the solution is to print a bit more beta.
I think the thing that they should have said at the beginning of beta is:
We will watch the market and reprint as needed into Arthurian Legends as well, because with only set year we have to make sure that product is actually available.
If they had said that loud and clear in the beginning no one would be fussing now.
I for one am FOR the reprint. Invest in alpha, play beta and if beta becomes more valuable in 10 years it is because players that came into the game where actually able to play it now.
That's my take.
Wow I would LOVE a Dante’s inferno set! I’m really excited for a darker more mysterious set and an inferno set could work so well
Within the UK, I can only find 2 online stores selling summer beta at £142 and they have only be doing so for a few weeks. Not sure how much product they have but I’m guessing a reprint won’t arrive here for 6 months so I will welcome some extra supply ahead of the next release since I’m pretty confident summer beta stock in the UK will have gone by then.
For sure mate. Supply in the UK was never that robust. I've certainly not seen any summer beta, and the prices are definitely inflated compared to the rest of Europe.
I like your perspective. EC is clearly trying hard to hit the sweet spot for collectors and players to grow the game. They have all the info on how best to do that. We all benefit if the game grows. I don't get the concern about the reprint, to be honest. If the game grows, the early sets will become more valuable. Even with a reprint how many boxes will be out in the world of Beta? If the game grows a lot, it will seem a very small number. If the game doesn't grow, well, how much would Beta be worth with a small player base or (gulp) a dead game? I am excited for future sets. I take this whole experience of backing a new TCG as a wild ride, a rollercoaster. There will be ups and downs. No sense to get upset over every decision EC makes, even if someone doesn't agree. They have way more at stake than any of us.
In fact the announcement stands,the train is rolling,so we can nothing do about it just trust in EC what they are doing 🤷♂️
I just don't like the rumors,whining around it of people even we really don't know,by now,what the 3rd wave means and which part of the world will get it and how many it will be.
So calm down,relax,have fun,play some games,open some boxes and enjoy the beautiful community that has build around this game from the beginning.
Peace 🤠✌️
Honestly I am not worried about any Beta reprint. Beta is for the players and it is the entry point to Sorcery. Cores, Duals, the majority of avatars, all that. I think EC really just needs to communicate their aims and goals. They need to explain how they plan to bring more shops in. The game needs more player growth and if it sees that then the reprints will be fine. Also worth considering that at one set a year, Beta being in print up ro set 3 is basically equivalent to the standard TCG cycle.
My other thing is in response to collectability and value. I think Foils and Curios are and should be emphasized as the major collectible aspect of Sorcery. The game is new and niche. Getting in should be cheap and easy. If the non-foil prices suffer to make that happen I'm fine with that.
Well, McDonald's IS bringing back the McRibb just in time for the holidays!!! Shootout to KevMo for bringing this to my attention!
Happy holidays! Thanks for watching the video! ❤️
Well said 👏 ❤
Thank you, we just prefer to focus on the stuff that is inside our control, and in the end the reasons we got into Sorcery haven’t changed on the fundamentals. ❤️
Hope you are having a great week! 🙂
Action is the only form of truth. The fact that they are reprinting Beta boxes but Precons are still $80+ a set tells me all I need to know regarding how their incentives are aligned with ours. Precons should have been so ridiculously common that they are practically given away.
I would have liked to have seen some better traction from this company at this point and they seem to be spinning their wheels here.
They have already said that the precons are getting a reprint, or in fact they are already printed and they are awaiting the rulebook and assembly.
Which might also be why a Beta reprint was needed due to the printing process, since they reprint the entire sheet and not only the precon cards.
I think the fact that precons sold out only goes to show that there was a ton of demand for an entry level product with a lot of gameplay value.
I remain on the camp that we don’t have enough data to fully understand the situation, and that I am still excited for future sets, enjoy my collection and play the game.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave a comment. 🙏🏻❤️
Thanks for the video! Saw a picture of frog man Dan playing a game of 2-headed giant!😮 I want a 4 player match. Hope you will bring the mat on the 30th and stay long enough for a match or maybe we can get a match in before the tournament.
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Thank you for taking the time to watch! ❤️🙏🏻
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Thanks for watching. 🙏🏻❤️
In europe we got sorcery summer right now (in winter) and there is plenty of product available and singles, the reprint is def not needed right now
They should focus in improving distribution and content so the game grows, right now the game is sooo expensive for new players... precons DO NEED REPRINT, but not the booster boxes of beta.
I trust EC will do the best for the future of the game
Somewhere it was sad in order to have precons they need to reprint beta. Not feasible to just print precons, because of how the printing process works
I think the precons are absolutely needed, and while some places have product now, the team has more data, that I hope they are using critically to gauge demand.
I hope and trust that Erik’s Curiosa will be navigating this as best possible, to ensure that the game grows and we get to experience many more sets in the future.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment!
I think Eric should deliver dragon cards in sealed packs of 1-3 cards to stores to be given out with AL or Beta box purchases or as prizes in events. I wouldn’t want them to only be given out in events since I don’t have the ability to attend them.
The only people who are upset about reprints are the investbros and people who buy booster boxes for speculation...basically the cancer of youtube investbros be it pokemon, sorcery, magic the gethering etc. I m a collector and I want to get 2 more master cases for the fun of opening them but I m not willing to do it at $200 a box when I can buy Flesh and Blood at $58 a box. Prices won t plummet and again only investbros are unhappy.
Discontinue beta and release unlimited/revised. I think that would respark enthusiasm.
retire beta. weve had enough of it and plenty of supply still available at entry price
A fruitful response would be retracting the announcement of the reprint. They just killed their own game otherwise.
I think that’s far too early to say, it depends on a lot of factors, like the size and target of the reprint. The game has been far more successful than anticipated, so the growing demand would have been hard to assess correctly.
I do hope that the reprint will be smaller and targeted, and that a good deal of the boxes will go to store kits and the like to get LGS’ started.
Thanks for watching the video.
Couldn’t be less worried about a reprint. Grow the game!
I see no reason to reprint beta unless they have no intention of ever releasing an unlimited print run, which i doubt they wont do. Given that being the case just release unlimited and stop reprinting beta. Just my 2 cents
Collectors are the ones keeping this game alive. There aren’t enough players, I bought three booster boxes of beta (which I opened) the singles will not appreciate.
How do we move forward? Personally going to dump what I have left and refocusing on Magic only. It was an interesting experiment and I thought this one would be different but I don’t trust that they know what they are doing.
I am sorry to hear it, I truly believe that in a couple of years the reprint will be long forgotten and Beta will be out of print.
We have a major dark/sinister set, coming up in the autumn/winter next year, and Ed Beard Jr. Dragonlord set, all things I wouldn’t want to miss.
We will you all the best regardless. ❤️
@ thanks for taking the time to answer, I hope you are right and I hope they will get beta out of print.
I’m curious to see if they manage to survive with 1 set / year. I understand the need to reprint might also come from the need to get cash flow, 1 year for each product is a very long time for a company to run healthy. No other CCG company ever tried to run so slow and it will be interesting to see if it’s sustainable.
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😉 We look forward to hearing what you think, thanks for checking out the video!
@@CardboardGuidethanks, cool video. I just want to play. So whatever they want is a business move I’m sure.
Meta zoo all over again 😅
Sure bro
I think there a very, *very* few similarities between Metazoo and Sorcery, and I think it is much too soon to call it quits on Sorcery.