Honda Transalp 750 vs. Yamaha Tenere T7 | Side by Side First Look & How They Feel
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- Stopped into @delamomotorsportsgroup in Orange County. MSRP of these bikes are the same, the side profiles are strikingly similar... the T7 is "tech free" while the Transalp is loaded with tech. Here I tell you "what I feel" different between them at first sit. What do you think? Leave a comment and let me know! Which would you choose!?
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I'm loving my Transalp. All the haters online being upset is hilarious. The KTM 390 I had before felt like a toy after i test rode the Honda . So made the transition 🎉 couldn't be happier with it.
That’s fantastic to hear. I can totally understand your transition and the feeling afterwards. How is the TransAlp on the highway? Rpm / cruising speed?
@@manybikes 4000 rpm at 70mph like butter
Transalp > KTM 390 Adventure by leaps and bounds
@@Amayi1 come on. 🤷🏻♂️
@@TheZakkmylde to what? The Transalp's dimensions are better, better ground clearance, better suspension, 21" front/18" rear, more horsepower.
The KTM 390 ADV is a nice bike, but it is a street bike (Duke) being compared to the Transalp. If you like the 390 ADV cool. No hate, but I am going off spec to spec comparison. In that respect for me, Transalp > KTM 390 Adventure by leaps and bounds.
Let's be clear, we are not talking about the Transalp vs KTM 890 ADV, we are talking about the 390 ADV.
I dropped the 901 Norden for the KTM 390ADV, due to the weight. This thing is only 375lbs and I sailed it 90mph on the interstate today. And, that's with a 14 tooth front sprocket! It needs springs, but for $6800, it's a steal. Honda need to make that 500CB into a dirt oriented ADVbike with killer suspension and low weight with electronics like the AT.
Yes, that would’ve be awesome! I too love my 390 Adv… but it could use a little more juice.
I had a 2023 KTM 390 SW test rode the Honda , went home with it left the KTM at the dealership lol. Honestly it's lighter to push around and feels lighter rolling down the road. Try one
@@manybikes add a fuel-X
@@manybikes Also, Wings exhaust & lose the resonator. I did all of that, woke right up! Super fun.
The CB500X? @@MotoCampAdv
The Transalp will be a good fit for a lot of people and it will do fine on fire roads and other nontechnical riding that most riders do. Not that many people ride hard offroad and there are plenty of choices for those who do.
This is very true. A very small percentage of ADV riders beat their rides up off-road in real technical and challenging stuff.
I ride hard with my Transalp, it’s not the best but it’s not bad at all
Thanks for the video. I think both bikes should come with tubeless rims, keyless start, cruise control, and a way to keep ABS disabled when you stop and restart. I also think both should have slightly larger tanks, which you can choose to keep full or partially empty depending on the riding you are doing.
The Honda should come with some basic bash plate and a lighter exhaust.
Just my thoughts. I will probably end up with a used one within the next three years, hopefully not abused and purchased by a rider that did not get out much.
I love your way of thinking! All of these bikes should go 300 miles on a tank of fuel... I HATE stopping for fuel every 150 miles, that is horrible. Tubeless wheels... just upgraded my 390 and its fantastic. I don't care about keyless start, but ABS delete and cruise could be helpful.
Agree, TA could have been a J-unicorn but Honda forgot to add CC and tubeless.
Cruise control? Keyless... ?
I prefer less tech... Like, none
The Transalp looks nice but for off road ill keep my Tenere.
Good call! It is a weapon!
Good job on explaining the difference. Can't wait to see your test ride video of the Transalp.
You and me both! Thanks for watching!
Yamaha... every time. love my Tenere 700. people throw the terms "tank", "indestructible", "reliable" at alot of bikes. YAMAHA deserves it. 20,000 miles and zero problems. drives like the day i bought her
Love to hear this. Thanks for sharing! It is a great machine for sure.
Good to see the two compared like this!
Now I want to see your "demo ride" video compared to mine! Such a fun time! Thanks for coming out to the Bonnier ADV Rally & Camp!
Every time you bumped the front wheel of the opposite bike, I expected it to fall over. Pretty sure I'll get the transalp when the wife wants to move up. I don't really need much off road capability, but given how low the clearence is on the Transalp, it should come standard with a bash plate, and would much prefer tubeless tires too.
I've ridden it 4 times now on and off road and I've got to say that I really really like it! I might have one eventually too ;)
Nice to see you on the TransAlp! The bike fits you better than the T7. Looking forward to seeing more TransAlp content. Great information Kyle!
As an AT owner.....that LOW SLUNG exhaust on the Trans Alp........🙄🤮🤮🤮
Just got back from the first 100 mile loop on my new TransAlp. For me, this bike is what I have been waiting for! Pulls harder than my GS 1200. Very quick 0 to 60. Quick shifter is next level. Brand new seat and suspension needs to get worked in, but workable. Brakes are excellent. Still breaking it in so I didn't max rev it yet. This bike is a mile cruncher. Smooth with low revs at highway speeds. Ordered all the mods for protection of exhaust, sump, and plastics. For the quality, comfort, fit and finish, and especially the price you won't find better. Very happy to own one - next month Kyle we can meet up and ride it. Ride safe everyone.
Great to hear your 100 mile ride was a success! I'd love to meet up and spend a day with you on it.... Pulls harder than you GS? What?!
@manybikes Well, the GS we all know is a tractor type pull. The Honda is more like getting up water-skiing, it's all of a sudden just there pulling ...you truly must hang on! The pull is at higher revs. Hard to describe, you must experience it.
Nice comparison !! But ive got already one T7 like this !!!
i dont want anything else for now !!
I sell it only if Yamaha release Tenere 900 !!!
Come on Yamaha ,what are you waiting for ?? !!!
Nice!!!!!
Just picked up a Transalp in Canada. I have both a CB500X and a R1200GS currently. I was looking for something in between like a 750 that could do both roles. It may be too early to tell but I'm starting to regret my choice of the Transalp. It's worse in town than the 500X and worse than the GS on the highway. Too big of an ask perhaps. I will likely stick with the GS for now.
This helps!
Nice!!! Your observations here are very interesting to me... Worse in town than the CB500X? Please do tell! Nothing (except maybe a Goldwing) can beat out a GS for long distance highway touring.
Isn't this about what you would expect? A 750 isn't going to be as good as a GS on the highway and it's going to be a little heavier and bigger than a CB500 in the City?
Where is your common sense? This is expected
Why is it worse on the highway? I was considering this bike
Т7 looks better.
Transalp is like big brother of cb500x/nc750x in design😮
Nothing special
I wasn't the only one that was thinking that eh?
I usually put the gas cap cover on top of the fuel pump . Its not that much of a issue .
Agreed!
You. should do a. comparison. video on motorcycles like you do with tires (as long as the Africa Twin comes out on top)
That would be fantastic. Used to do more of those... Thanks for watching.
The transalp looks like a nice street bike.
Ha! Ha! More street oriented than others in the segment. That is for sure.
we need a comparison of T7 , Transalp, Ktm 790 , Dr 800 and all the bikes that fit the same budget. Japan VS europe!
Totally agree! And the CFMoto Ibex too?
I dont understand why nobody compares the sprockets when they compare this motorcycles. The Teneré pulls 15T front sprocket and 46T on the rear sprocket while the Transalp pulls 16T 45T....this is a HUGE difference. If you put 15T/46T on the Transalp it will lift the front wheel until 4th gear, it will be too much torque. If you put 16T/45T on the Transalp it wont move. That is the real difference in 20 horse power.
Gearing is very important, that is for sure!
Very good point. So for the Honda everyone saying it’s lacking horsepower if you drop one tooth in the front, it should make it very appealing no?
you mean if put 16/45 on tenere wont move i guess?i m thinking for the transnalp over the tenere and this is modification i have also though to increase low bottom end responsiveness
Nice review Kyle, thank you!
My pleasure! It was fun!
Thank you ! Dor the comparo . the t7 has a big problem is too dam talllll !!!!!!! Is stuped abd it needs the engine to be a 800 with 10 more hp and torque ! And 6' lower . is too dam tall . !!
Yes, I agree it is tall. Not as tall as my 950 Super Enduro! I tippy toe the footpeg on one side while I tip toe the ground on the other... 1" lower than usual and its going over!
I would never bring the Transalp off-road where my stock t7 went. I use my big bike for road rides, it is always about compromise.
I'd love to rip them side by side... both in their stock form!
Of course when you’ve just come off of your 1190 a T7 will feel gutless in comparison, remember, it’s 700 cc, just a bit more than half the displacement. Even after I ride my old DL1000 I feel a big difference between that and my T7 but, different bikes. Try riding a 650 thumper then hopping on the Tenere, it’ll feel like a rocket. I’ve never felt the T7 lacking in power on the road, but then, I generally keep it under 85.
Totally agree! We ride daily at 85 to 90 mph on the highways here... The T7 is an amazing machine for sure.
How can you compare the two bikes, you didn't ride the Transalp. You comparing specs, the US version is around 84 hp due to EPA and spark arrestor, while Europe's modelsuspension
This was a “sit on” and tell what I feel… not a review. I can’t do that until I put some miles on one.
Well I did some looking . Transalp is a great bike . Ok the suspension a little too soft, but most ADV bikes are . Put a whole new suspension on it, about 2500 to 3k . And you will transform this bike to another level . The T7 is a good bike but in a diffrent light . Traveling get something else . If your gonna stay local the T7 is fine . Myself I can't see paying 18k plus to bounce around in the woods or mountain top and so forth . Keep it cheap . Not for nothing but my 1990 DR350S is just the right mix for a trail bike . Dealerships wont give us a 100 bike . They be slicing their own throats at the end . They want the the aftermarket to strive . Oh and when you do the suspension on the transalp you should get a one inch ground clearance more and the hard hits should lighten up a bit as well . Then that Transalp will be proper or at least have a very nice platform to finish a build on .
Totally agree!!!
I believe the spec sheet for the Transalp shows 90 hp and not 85 as you mentioned
North america got a slightly detuned version where it lost a couple of hp
I was going off what the Honda reps had told me... I am curious as to where it really lies.
Kyle, dear man, you might wanna look up the freshly introduced RALLY version of KOVE 800 Adventure (factory modded minus-30kg's LIGHTER!!, slimmer, high fender version)
That’s a pretty wicked looking machine!
@@manybikes the specs, mods.. the weight(!!).. OMGoodness.. did you see the Italians' video where they had the Chinese representative explains everything with a translator person, that had English subtitles?
100-ish HP on 165-ish KG 800cc rally machine?? .. WICKED it is!!
Curious about wheel base length comparison as the Honda seems not nearly as lengthy as the Yamaha which if true would have a major positive impact on handling in favor of the Honda and against the Yamaha. Great product launch on the part of Honda beautiful clean build as well.
Yes, Honda did a great job. It feels very refined as compared to the T7 and my 390 Adv.... re: the wheel base, I will need to research that.
Shorter wheelbase in favor of the Honda? For what riding conditions?
To me they are still going the wrong direction - bigger. I have to concede if I make a graph of off road skill vs. age my graph says I'm old and I suck and it would suggest I buy an XT250.
100% - We just want a light weight and powerful mid range ADV Bike.
xt is a great bike. Only issue is that like other 250's cruising over 60 mph is difficult.
I want to upgrade my '22 CB500X and these 2 are my top contenders. I haven't tested either of them yet, but just based on the looks I prefer the T7. However, my riding is more road oriented and I am a Honda guy, so I do not know what to do.
Decisions, decisions😄
I had 2020 CB500X for 2 years. I love this bike. They stole it and I went for T7. I had to lower it but still this bike feels heavy. I was about to go to Alaska with it but they also stole it. I went for 2020 Africa Twin DCT. This bike is really heavy if you go off-road. I sold that bike. Now I have Aprilia Tuareg 660 and I am really happy with it.
Decisions for sure! The T7 is an amazing bike! I am dying to get on the Transalp for a spin!
Hi there.merry christmass!can i ask did you drove them backto back?how is the on road manners in every bike?is it true that transalp lacks in low rpm power?is tenere better in torque?
Yes and yes. They are both fantastic bikes. The T7 is still the easiest to ride ADV bike off road. You can idle 3rd gear down down to an idle without touching the clutch and then (without shifting) ride right back up to full speed. Pretty amazing. The T7 I found to be lacking at the hight RPM's on-highway or up hill on the highway to be more clear. The Transalp is much faster and peppier at higher RPM's. Very different machines that do the same thing, just a little differently.
thanks for the response.wish you a happy new year!@@manybikes
Yes Sir! Looking forward to 2024! @@thodoris3790
Good comparison demonstration
Thanks for watching!
"T7 doesn't feel top heavy" says the guy sitting on a showroom floor T7 with no gas in the tank. Ok, he says he doesn't know how much gas is in the tank. T7 with a 16T front sprocket helps with highway speeds. 2024 model in the USA will have a TFT screen. I'll keep my Tenere even though I do drop it sometimes.
My 1190 Adv R feels heavier than the T7 ;) I rode in on the bat with warm up weights on it ;)
People who ask "Tenere or Transalp" use brains in slightly different ways than we do.
These are different category bikes. Nothing to compare.
The internet like a good comparison. The Tenere is closer in a lot of ways to the dual sport thumpers but because it's a twin it gets lumped in with the rest of the twin street adventure bikes. It's somewhere between.
Ha! Ha! Ha! If a BMW R1250GSA can be compared to a KTM 1290 Super Adventure... anything can me compared ;)
@@manybikes Just like comparing Volvo truck to F1 car - both can race (you cannot deny).
Transalp is "adventure" (mainly road, sometimes terrain), Tenere is typical "off-road" bike (like meter pattern in Sevres)
Hi Kyle I have Transalp in Australia with 7500 km on it now including a fair amount of gravel. It has the Karoo Street TT tyres on which have performed quite well...rear still has ~4-5mm above the wear bars. Is it better to stick with specific TT (tube type) tyre or go with one that is ok for either TT or TL? Would TT type be lighter? Planning to put HD tube in on rear at next change...Thanks Rick
Yes, the TT tires are much lighter in construction than the tubeless tires. Tubes can be run in any of the tubeless tires making a more robust combo.
Going from my 390 or my 790 to a friend's Tenere 700... I notice the weight seems crazy high.
I had the opportunity to ride the factory lowered Tenere at a demo day last summer, the weight seemed far lower than the stick height, even though it was onky an inch lower. - Frank
Try the transalp
Very interesting Frank. I have heard that every inch counts... You have confirmed it!
You never gave your height for reference
Please share your height and inseam length
5' 9" with a 31" inseam
In Japan we can get the 2023 ktm 790 adv for not too much more money than the transalp. Is the extra power and features worth the reliability concerns of ktm? Or are those concerned blown out if the water a bit and you’d trust it solo riding middle of nowhere?
Those are some great questions. Honda is generally known for reliability.
@@manybikes yes, I’d be exited to see your review when you ride it. Other than suspension how far is it off the ktm in performance.
(I get employee discount for KYB so don’t mind upgrading😅)
What’s the scoop on the Transalp color? I have only seen the boring grey one. Did Honda bring the red white and blue one to the US?
Good question, I’ll ask
wait what? 83hp the transalp¿? it does 90+ in europe, is it due to emmisions or noise?
Slightly de-tuned for some reason. Honda wouldn’t give a straight answer.
I think, if you would be in the market for a midsize ADV bike, you would buy the 890R :)
true, but its almost $5k more
Speed shifter, 9 MTC settings for off-road, lower center mass & only around 450lbs! All worth that $5K, Reliability is only concern there... @@Purehess
The 890 R is the KING of the middle weight bikes, that is for sure!
@@chucklesthefireguy5356 there is no reliability issue with KTM's that is just a myth. I mean yes they shoot for performance and therefore you can't expect 100k mls out of it, but they aren't junk either. I don't trust the Internet forum warriors at all. I used to have KTM's and never had issues - except I created them myself.
@@ogoshikimura5621 The 790 ADV had clutch issues (people I know too). there have been electronics, oil leaks and more. I own one, I don't trust it like a Jap bike...
apples & oranges
I couldn't pull the trigger on a Tenere I just don't like how it rides on the road it's like a dual sport . I want an adventure bike so I waited for the o.g. adventure bike from the 80s
@@MotoCampAdv I don't have any problems with my T7 on the road, surprisingly good.
Thanks for your opinion… they are both ASV bikes… in the mid size range. If the Tuareg & T7 can be compared…. The TransAlp can too in my book.
What's your inseam?
I wear a 32L pant but its probably closer to 31"
Not sure you mentioned your height Kyle. I like the comparison and leaning towards the Honda.
5’ 9” with a 31” inseam
Nice review, what are the front tire sizes on the two?
Same same. 90/90-21
@@manybikes thanks Kyle. We're the same height, & inseam, slightly different fighting weights. Are you in Vegas now or Cali?
@@I_am_archie SoCal is where
I’m at
Do you know when is going to be available the T7 WORLD RAID and the WORLD RALLY?
Those models are made in Europe for EU/UK only still. USA and Canada get models made in Japan that seems to be slower to uptake changes. TFT in the 2024 model with ABS updates at least..
@@kkattrap thank's mate!
Just saw the new TFT on Travis Brock @everysinglesunday IG yesterday! Same size.. still vertical but TFT
what is your height?
5' 9" and wear a 32" pant inseam.
I am generally a Honda fan but after I have ridden both I would say the Tenere is better value for money. Also, I am afraid to say Honda is taking the spirit out of the Transalp and Africa Twin with all the tech. It is not really needed if you consider the name.
Great feedback! Thank you for sharing. What would you say the big differences are? How was that motor?
@@manybikes The Transalp engine is very smooth which it should be because it is the same NCX engine. The mapping is road biased for sure meaning the TRANSALP spirit is gone. As for the Tenere it is slightly underpowered but more "direct" and it spins up much faster. Nope. Like I said I am a huge Honda fan (durability) but this time around they missed the mark and the T won flat out. Did you see what Honda did with the Africa Twin Adventure? They are turning it into a quasi off road-ish but preferably road based DCT driven bike. Again, they are completely missing the point of the Africa Twin spirit. All the electronic gizmos in the Transalp is way too much. They should also have made it tubeless, and yes the exhaust design is utterly shitty which messes up ground clearance. don't get me wrong it is a good day runner but not a Transalp per se. They should've given it a different name. maybe the "Outback". because you sure as hell do not want to advertise it in front as a
Transalp. LoL
@@drevil4454 it's not the ncx motor first off smdh . Just sit the fuck down
t7 no contest
Great machine for sure. Solid!
What were Honda thinking about with the sump though? it sticks down several inches from the perceived bottom of the engine and is beyond laughable, it will also be very expensive and dangerous if not protected - exhaust routing is bad enough but the damn sump is dangerous - once a bashplate is on you will be lucky to get 4inch clearance max and then the shock that squats as soon as ripple in the road appears, OMG you're gonna be dragging this bashplate and engine down the easiest of gravel roads, this does not suit the Transalp name if you ask me, none adjustable suspension should be burned at birth, such a cheap move, so cheap - they pulled it on the crf and keep doing it, insulting and dangerous
T7 is leagues ahead if you wish to go off road - Transalp is a road bike, a good looking road bike and nothing more - it will be ok driving across the campsite
Totally agree the ground clearance is an issue!
Agreed. Can't believe that Honda would have designed it like this. With the sump sticking down so low, it wasn't a big deal for Honda to just stick the exhaust under the engine, since the sump was already down there. It's almost like they tried to hide the sump by routing the exhaust down there too. Did they think that for this type of bike, that the potential customers wouldn't notice how it affected ground clearance? Hard to fathom...
Opinions are like assholes and everyone with a Suzuki , Tenere, and Aprilia has a lot to say about the Honda. So here is mine. A lot more excitement around the launch of this bike . Suzuki launch was like crickets and they had to give out bikes to reviewers to get any kind of marketing 😂. The Yamaha is ok but old news. Aprilia well is just that a niche market.
Love it! Yes… much more hype around this bike for sure. Influencers are purchasing them from dealerships without discounts. Most I have talked to who have ridden it really like it… I think that is impressive.
Transalp in Europe is 92 hp.
Bummer… for the USA
I'll pass on both. These bikes are for other people besides me.
Thanks for watching! What is your perfect bike?
@@manybikes well, there is no one bike for all use cases. But, cost no option, I am grabbing the Ducati DesertX Rally.
No love for the vstrom 800de lol
I haven’t seen the 800DE in person as of yet
The honda is way better . ! Jist ugly lite and chesp suspention
Thank you for your feedback
What about the aprilla 660. Everyone ignores this bike
I love the Tuareg! Three of the 4 people I know that have them are parked… waiting for backordered parts. It’s neat, but not supported!
@@manybikes ah bummer. That’s a shame as it seems like an awesome platform
TA say it's road oriented bike but with tube tyres😢😢😢
Having ridden it off road it is way more than a street bike! I really like it actually. I would ride the wheels off of it!!!!
Ya, have you checked out the oil sump on that Honda?? I've be disappointed in Honda over the last few years. Not innovating much, more of a follower/ bare minimum mentality for the last half decade. They cant even field a competitive GP bike anymore.. Though I haven't sat on or ridden that thing, I get the feeling it's more of a grocery getter than an adv bike. Low oil sump, low exhaust 0 innovation have to remove the tank for air filter maint. Naaaa.
Have you heard of a skid plate
@@MotoCampAdv Sure, as you lose 6 inches of ground clearance because that stupid F***** thing hanging down!?!?!?! Shitty design. But typical with Honda for the last 10 years..
@@spencervidal3168 tell us how you really feel about it
Apparently Honda decided to put that aluminum stalactite in the middle of the oil pan rather than use an oil to water oil cooler. On the Hornet it’s disconcerting but the TransAlp shouldn’t leave the showroom without a bash guard. So my next question is once the guard is there does the oil pan protrusion lose its function as a cooler? We’ll never know.
@@martymiller4300 what are you smoking