Avoid Engine Failure with this Air Cleaner Update - 1025R, 2025R John Deere
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ม.ค. 2021
- This video contains the latest information as of January 2021.
Have your John Deere dealer lookup Deere Solution #8LV188.
Air Filter Update Kit:
www.greenpartstore.com/John-D...
Individual JD Parts:
LVU34473 - Bracket (Wire Hanger for Air Cleaner Assembly)
LVU33856 - Hose (From Cleaner Assembly to Engine)
LVA23760 - Bracket
LVA23405 - Air Filter
E63525 - Nut (qty 1)
E63524 - Nut (qty 1)
AR21840 - Hose Clamp (qty 2)
14M7396 - Lock Nut (qty 2)
When I purchased, the total cost for the parts was approximately $165.
John Deere states the following 1025R serial number ranges may be affected:
1LV1025R*FH (311981 - 323956)
1LV1025R*GG (100101 - 300374)
1LV1025R*GH (123600 - 332619)
1LV1025R*HH (124600 - 300800)
1LV1025R*HJ (100001 - 301052)
1LV1025R*JJ (147000 - 301302)
If you watch this full video though, and check your tractor, you should be able to visually tell if you have an old version or the latest version.
Supposedly the 1023E is already designed this way, but you may want to check and confirm for yourself. I am assuming it is the same for the 1026R. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I bought my 1025r last summer. I found watching all these videos, that almost every upgrade was already done on my tractor. From simple removal of bolts and put disconnects on, to other larger items. Seems JD watches these videos and makes changes every year!! Thanks!
Enjoy your videos! I’m waiting on the dealer to email my quote for my new 1025r I’m purchasing here real soon. Thanks for all the tips and tricks!
Awesome! You will love it. It's a great machine with tons of attachments available. I bought this one two years ago and would absolutely make the same decision. Let me know how you like it once you take delivery. I'm sure you'll be grinning ear to ear.
Great video! Simple repair to avoid a huge problem.
My thoughts exactly. Thanks Jim!
I have a 2013 1025 R with 776 hours on it. It is nickel and dimming me to death at this point. I plan on downsizing to a smaller property very soon and I am hoping the tractor can hold on a bit longer as I won’t be needing it. Anyway,,,,The cap won’t stay on the housing. The clips are too loose. I tweaked them and it seems to be holding. In the course of researching the issue, I discovered that the housing should be replaced. It would have been nice of John Deere to notify me of this safety issue! I haven’t contacted the dealer yet, but I expect they won’t be doing the update for no cost to me. You made the fix look easy to do, so if the dealer won’t do it or decides to charge me a small fortune, I’ll try it myself.
Hey! Coming over from Tractor Time with Tim's LIve, I have subscribed and look forward to watching your channel. Nice to meet you.
Hey, nice to meet you too! Thank you! TTWT's first live stream was fun.
Great video! I will look today what I have under the hood and get er done!! Thanks for sharing...
I'll be interested to hear what you find, Mike! I think it's an upgrade worth doing.
I am a service tech for a Deere dealer. There has been a fix as fail PIP published for this exact issue. If you find your bracket cracked contact your local dealer and they should be able to get you taken care of.
Hey Dustin, thanks for chiming in. The PIP expires here in a few months. From your experience, what will happen after that? Would Deere issue a new PIP? Or does it become owner responsibility?
@@TractorHoarders Today, in March 2024, my dealer told me the program expired “a few years ago” and was not renewed. The kit configuration appears not to exist any longer, so the parts are ordered separately. It adds up to $250.00.
@@624Dudley I guess I’m not too surprised with the cost of everything increasing. Even at that cost, I’d still do it.
Great great great video. Helps the JD community a lot. Kevin
Thanks Kevin! Much appreciated!
Thank you so much for this video. I was just quoted $300 for this repair by a dealer who suggested the update but claimed that John Deere wasn’t willing to pay for this if it wasn’t broken. 😡I will keep this attitude in mind next time I decide what brand of tractor to buy.
Hope you got yours done. After it’s done you can have peace of mind. Aside from this issue, these engines are very reliable.
Appreciate your tip. I just purchased a 1025r. I’m stoked!
They are great tractors! I’m sure you’ll love it!
Thanks for the info.
Nicely done video. I'm trading up to a 2025r this coming week and will be sure to see what air filter set up I have. Thanks!
Thanks Randy! I am sure you will enjoy your 2025r! If you're buying from a dealer, and the update hasn't been performed, you could potentially negotiate that into your acceptance for delivery. Good luck! Always fun to get a new tractor!!
Thanks. Mine already goes sideways, but enjoyed the information
Thanks David, I appreciate that. - Good to be conscious of the style that you have! I hope those that don't have the update can at least be aware that it exists.
Thanks! So glad I just ran across your video.
Definitely get it taken care of for peace of mind!
Thanks for a clear video on this update. My 1025R has the old mounting system and I will be calling my dealer on Monday to get the new parts. Cheers!
Thanks for the nice comment! It’s definitely something worth being proactive about! I’m glad it helped.
Excellent video, very informative, thanks😊
Thank you, Tom! Hope it helped!
Hi, I got the kit ,the extra nut is the washer for the clamp, that's why it has a hex hole in the bracket. You put the nut in front of the bracket in the hex hole and it works like a lock washer. The clamp goes thru the nut then the 10mm nut goes on, works great. Thanks for the info, I just got mine today it took a while to figure out why the extra nut. Now I know. I didn't get a hat with mine.
Haha, I realized this after the fact. Thank you for pointing this out! ... I happened to buy an extra $100 of stuff outside of these particular parts (not seen in this video), so I hit their "over $250" threshold for the hat. Thanks again!
I am cringing at the open air intake where the hose was removed. I know that what you are doing the chances of anything falling in the open hole are small, but the way my luck runs is that when I look away something will find its way down the open hole. Think hard about at putting a shop rag over any opening that will be more than a few minutes before getting covered back up/hose connected/whatever. Now that the rain has stopped for a few minutes I am going to go check my engine. Thanks for the update.
Good advice for others to consider as they do it!
There is now a kit available that is cheaper than the piece parts. The kit number is MPLV10188 and is $95. It's available to order through dealers. If you have a 15 through 18 model year it should be covered by Deere.
Thanks for sharing, Kent! That is great!
Thanks
Good job. Well done
Thank you!
Didn't know this was a thing. I've had issues with our filter housing bracket coming loose. I'll probably be changing that out SOON!
Oh yes, definitely change that thing!! Good to find the issue now and address it before something worse happens.
thanks for the post
Thanks Mark. Hope it’s helpful.
It made for a cleaner,better-looking engine compartment also,good job.
Thank you!
Thanks for this video! I just had to go out and check my 1025R and found it already has the new filter assembly installed. I don't know if it came that way (bought in 2019) or if it was changed during the annual checkup and service by the JD dealer. But at least I am relieved that I do not have to worry about my valve cover cracking! Thanks again!
Thanks Steve! Glad to hear that yours is the updated version. That certainly gives quite the peace of mind to not have to worry about it. I think the updated version was made "standard" in 2019, so perfect timing for you.
Thanks!!!
Hope it helps!
Thank you for the instructions. I had to buy a valve cover because mine was trashed and I had to fish out a piece of the cover 😡
After fishing out the piece and replacing the valve cover, was everything ok? I hope so! Glad the video was helpful! Thank you!
Thank you for this post! I'm going to order my parts ASAP!
Good plan. I think it's just cheap insurance to make sure you don't have to deal with larger problems down the road. After reading of engine failures of others, I felt this was something important to address.
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I have a 2018 with the original corrected air filter.
I've read over 30 stories of this breaking. So close to 100 hours on every single one, I bought a 2013 with 85 hours, it broke at 107 hrs, just the strap. I removed it and let the hoses hold the air filter, I'm at 130+ hrs with zero issues and it doesn't rattle. I'm not just being a cheap skate, I was running it to see and wanted to report to anyone that is watching this. It is still tight, I run my machine much harder than most. It is constantly being pushed on 34 acres, but I dont want another big tractor, this thing is nimble and I love it. I have big tractors, skid shovels, lawn tractors....the 1025r is my favorite beast!
is this solution still holding up well? I am about to become a new owner of a 2018 1025R with 44hours and it has the original “problem” air cleaner bracket design
5:07 😮
If it does break your jd dealer should replace the engine. Mine broke my dealer picked up the machine and installed a new motor and fixed the air cleaner. This is a recall when broke through jd. Mine is 3 years old with 315 hours and had zero issues with my dealer.
Hey Johnny, I totally agree; however we’re in snow season and I can’t be without my tractor. Simple things take them a minimum of a few weeks. I can’t imagine how long an engine swap would take including diagnosis, ordering an engine, and installing it. I do a lot of snow removal if you check out my other videos. Not having the tractor is not an option for me, so I prefer the proactive approach.
I agree with you though. If it breaks and your under the power train warranty, they absolutely better take care of it.
My jd dealership papa 200 hr checks in stall it free did tell me month later I saw the new air cleaner installed like yours aut 2020 their warranty is 10 years
That's great. Some dealers do it, some do not. While my tractor is in warranty also, the downtime that I'd have with a potential engine swap versus me just paying $160 is well worth it to me. With my luck the tractor would be in the shop and I'd be getting hit with repeated snow storms with no tractor.
👍👍. Great info
Thank you!
Great video, happy mine was the newer one that didn't require this update. I always find it odd that Deere isn't tripping over themselves to fix such a quality issue.
Howdy! The 1023Es may all have this update, which is great for you. I find it interesting too. I'm sure JD did their math against the likelihood of an engine failure, but it's just something I don't want to risk. My luck, it would break down the road outside of warranty.
I'm ordered a new 1025r yesterday. Will this still need to be changed or is it a new update?
@@CLEEPER1 Since 2018 or so, that's what year mine is, it has had the updated filter. So you should be fine.
@@FloridaDeere thanks
@@TractorHoarders you're correct, my 2020 1023e already has this update.
Not to challenge your fix or reason(s) for it, I am having a difficult time understanding why and how something as light-weight and insignicant as a air filter housing that is attached to the valve cover can lead to a catastrophic failure. Have I missed something? I need to dig deeper into this. But, my greatest appreciation for you bringing up the issue.
Hi Dwayne, very valid question! I agree, it's not obvious. I haven't had the valve cover off to answer that question for myself, but I'm glad you asked. There are quite a few documented cases of this failure on the internet. Check out this link to see one example: www.greentractortalk.com/threads/1025r-engine-damage-air-cleaner-broke-off.186388/
@@TractorHoarders ....thanks for your reference to TTWT's fix. I now remember viewing is video some time ago. Tim is one of my favorite resources for the 1025R World. Still, I am quite surprised that such a small "mass" of plastic (referring to the air cleaner itself) and a mounting bracket could lead to such a severe failure. Routine engine vibrations (welcome to diesels!) and likely harmonics has likely produced such failure. Still, I do like the air cleaner relocation to the radiator firewall and removal from the engine entirely as being a great solution. As Tim references, I am disappointed that JD wasn't more forthcoming to all registered owners about the update. Such "silence" could often result in a more costly legal action....meaning class action. Not smart, for sure! Maybe I should be thinking Kubota instead! Are you listening JD?
The issue with the mounting is that the vibration can crack the valve cover and pieces of it can get past the valves which are actually under the cover. Mine cracked luckily while under warranty and John Deere replaced the complete engine at no cost. The funny thing is that the first issue with these was the bracket cracking so they beefed up the bracket. Once the bracket was beefed up the vibration traveled down to the valve cover.
Great video. I doubt I’ll ever have one of those tractors or any thing that new. All my garden tractors are 40 to 50 years old. Got two Case garden tractor in the last year. No room left.
What model is the Farmall F12 ? You should be mentioning those goodies in the background you know. Hehe.
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I’m watching these videos because I’m considering purchasing a 1025. As an outsider, I must ask a few questions. Does this void or interfere with the warranty? If this is a well known issue, why doesn’t John Deere just fix it? Great video - glad a found it!
Hi Chad, I would not let this minor thing worry you. The failure rate leading to engine issues is fairly low, which is the reason why John Deere hasn't proactively issued a bulletin to replace all of them. If you are buying brand new, this is something you don't need to worry about. Tractors before 2019 you may want to examine. If you're buying used from a dealer, I would ask them to update this before you taking delivery. The 1025R is a solid tractor. This would not detour me from purchasing another one. I have a 1025R playlist on my channel that may be of interest to you since you're researching. I like to interact with viewers of my channel, so if you have any questions that I can help you with, just leave me a comment and I'll get back with you! -Hans
@@TractorHoarders thanks!!!
2017 Dealer gave me one.
Excellent! Some dealers are OK in doing that, and some not! Good that you checked with yours and they took care of you.
Good information. I need to do this to my 2015 model. Did you have to drill holes for the hanger? Thanks for the videos.
Hello Richard! No drilling, I used existing holes. I would expect yours will have them too. Good luck, sir!
Thanks!
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Good post 👍🏻
ordered a new model, my 2016 had nuts come loose just after 40 hour maintenance on valve cover, the strap came off, shook so much tractor stalled.
Geez, that's no good! Have you got your new one yet?
Did you do any videos on how to remove the battery from the 1025 R model???
I have not yet…
I just bought a 1023E should be delivered by the end of the month. Does the 1023 have the same problem? Great video.
From what I have heard the 1023E does not have this issue because they already came equipped with a style of filter like the new one. Doesn’t hurt to double check though! Thank you!
@@TractorHoarders thanks for the info
Should you put the nuts back on the studs sticking through the valve cover? Could they fall down in there if they come loose.
Yep, showed that at the end of the video as an after-thought. Good catch.
@@TractorHoarders FYI - I have a new 2025R that came from the factory with the air filter mounted to the core support. It has the 3 studs on the valve cover, but they are bare - no nuts installed. I agree with on erring on the side of caution, but they are apparently not needed.
@@jimstruve3602 cool, thank you for confirming that! Much appreciated!
Do not use a washer on the top side of the bracket use the 1/2 inch hex head nut that came with the kit in the top side of the bracket that is what it is made for otherwise you will be buying a new fan blade
So has this been corrected in the 2022 model? Reason I ask is that I take delivery of my 2022 1025r next week. I’ll definitely be looking for this.
Yes, it should be corrected on 2020 and newer I believe, but doesn’t hurt to double check as you don’t really know what year it was manufactured unless you decipher the serial number.
Reason I ask is that I take delivery of my 2022 1025r next week. I’ll definitely be looking for this.
@@TexasSheepdawg21 You’ll probably find it’s updated but will only take you a minute to lift the hood and check. I have a 1025R playlist you may enjoy. This is the handiest tractor I own. You won’t regret your purchase.
Good video and advice. Who’s your dealer, I’ll be sure and not buy there!
Hey Terry, thank you sir! I have decided to not call them out in negative light. I'd be happy if I could build a positive relationship (or even partnership) with them in the future. To the opposite though, in the past I've purchased a brand new JD tractor and Gator from Boones (boonespowerequipment.com) in Brookville Ohio, and they are amazing.
Do you know if the 2023 model has the better filter? Thanks!
It does, but never hurts to double check.
are there model years this applies to specifically?
Yes, please see detailed serial number ranges listed in the video description.
It’s also pretty easy to tell visually which style you have.
The fix kit is basically the same design the 1026R used in 2011. Slight difference in the way the hoop mounts to the bulkhead, but the mass is isolated from the valve cover the way it should be. Why on earth did they change the design to what it was? Looks like maybe for a larger housing and more air filter capacity? But mounting that mass incl hefty bracket to a vibrating die-cast engine cover makes no sense at all.
Yeah, agreed and not sure. It’s my understanding the 1023e was different and not sure if they were trying to match it for costs efficiencies or what.
Where are the part numbers or number for the kit?
www.greenpartstore.com/John-Deere-Air-Cleaner-Support-Bracket-Replacement-Kit-LVU29618FIX.html
Should john deere be liable for providing the updated mounting hardware and labor
I can’t answer if they should or should not, but the fact is that they don’t. I recommended spending the money to buy the updated kit and install it so that you don’t risk an engine failure.
Are you sure it’s bolted to the valve cover?
The one needing updated is indeed bolted to the valve cover
Why does it destroy the engine when the cover cracks?
The metal pieces drop down through the broken valve cover and go into the valves. What happens beyond that, I'm not sure, but the outcome is almost always a full engine replacement from what I've read.
Are the new 1025R's already coming with the new horizontally mounted air cleaner?
Yes. I provided the affected serial number ranges in the description. Anything sold 2019 and after should be OK, but doesn’t hurt to double check.
Does this need to be done on a 2017 1025r?
Most likely, but best to visually check it
Is that a recall?
Hi Alan, not really... your dealer can find it under Deere Solution #8LV188. It's considered Repair/Replace if broken. That particular solution expires soon to my knowledge, so you may want to check it out soon; however, take a look under your hood and you'll be able to tell if it applies to you or not by the orientation of your air filter assembly. If yours is a 2020, you should have the updated design. Doesn't hurt to check though.
Did the air cleaner come with it ?
Yes it did!
@@TractorHoarders Thank you you very much !
Hi Linda, i was wondering if John deer would be interested in taking care of this
I’m not Linda, but, no John Deere doesn’t take care of this any longer.
@@TractorHoarders hi I was responding to the reply that was on your site. Thank you
So is JD paying for all or any of these repairs?
They used to but the PIP has expired. See more info in the video description.
By doing this does it void the John Deere warranty on the tractor?
No, it does not.
@@TractorHoarders great thank you
Too late. Mine locked up vacuuming up leaves
304 hrs.
Oh man, sorry to hear that. I assume it's being handled under warranty hopefully?
Parts list?
Hi Kurtis, I have a detailed list of parts in the video description. Or you can also look here: www.greenpartstore.com/John-Deere-Air-Cleaner-Support-Bracket-Replacement-Kit-LVU29618FIX.html
Is this a free update?
No
It's not the valve cover, it's the intake manifold. Friend of mine got a new engine last summer on his 2015.
So let me get this straight. A John Deere part fails, or has the potential to fail and destroy the engine and you get to pay for it?
John Deere will cover it under warranty if it fails and destroys your engine under warranty. Or you can spend $160 and avoid a surprise. Covering it myself is well worth it to me. This tractor makes me a lot of money for snow removal. The downtime is a bigger potential monetary loss than the parts to do the upgrade.
Everyone’s situation may be different. If you can sustain a surprise failure and not care how long you’re without your tractor for repairs, you can absolutely wait.
JD will replace it for free if you ask them. However if you don’t ask them, they won’t step up and make it right.
This varies by dealer and the PIP to replace it has expired. I, like many people, had a dealer which would not proactively replace it. I agree though that you should first ask your dealer to take care of it. Never hurts to ask.
U didnt even use the tractor and already spending money. Its not a pick up truck duhh
That is a really stupid design gotta take all that BS off to change air filter
Once you get the new assembly on, it's not bad. You just remove the end cap on the filter housing, pull out the old filter, put the new one in, and put the cap back on.