Dune live Q&A with Quinn
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2023
- This stream has spoilers for all six Dune books!
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Man i was looking for something to Fall asleep and your thing Just pop up i love both Channels so Helllll yeaaah
Cheating on Glimbus
Alt schwift x would be furious
But that’s another TH-camr isn’t?
Nah you’re thinking of alt Schwift x, this is a different bloke
I love how this is the top comment
True
That idea of viewing the trailers as prescient visions of what could happen or could have happened in the story is one of the most interesting pieces of media analysis I have ever heard. I love that idea so much, even if it's not intentional!
fentanyl much?
I completely forgot about Count Fenring being invisible to Paul’s prescience. It makes so much more sense now that they’d keep him hidden from promotional materials. Great stream!
They’re probs not going to have him in the film. Would love to be proven wrong though!
@@user-ru9ig2ed9y Tim Blake Nelson has been cast in an undisclosed role. Lady Margot is confirmed to be in the movie, played by Lea Seydoux. Nelson HAS to be playing Fenring
@@Ryuk45he did a podcast episode of WTF with Marc Maron and he mentions he’s has a role in Dune Part Two but he describes it nothing more than a cameo. I’m fairness, both Fenring’s roles in Dune were small, so Tim could very well be the Count, but I guess we’ll see
FURTHERMORE Tim Blake Nelson yodels and fenring and his wife have that sing songy secret language that just seems perfect
Feelings character was so inconsequential he can easily be left out of the movie
Whenever your 2+ hour live Q&A's come out I always get so much housework done puttering around & listening. 😊Great episode, two of my favorite voices & content creators! Thank you!
Just did the same thing! So grateful my whole living room is spotless now tysm for the content
I get CHILLS thinking about the idea of Paul having visions of the imperial entourage and taking in every face, Shadam, Irulan, the guild... then when it comes to actually happening and there's a similar shot but suddenly Fenring stands where nobody stood and it's terrifying. He could be SUCH a compelling final obstacle. And that's why we wouldn't see him with Margot on Geidi Prime, it would preserve the surprise of his presence and slap even book readers across the face. Just imagine.
Woo, two of my favourite youtubers on one stream! Love it!
Please keep inviting Quinn, your conversations are the best!
I'll say this in regards to Dune Messiah. I think for sure it can work as a film it just needs to be restructured a little. Show the atrocities of Muad'Dib, really delve into Paul, Chani and Irulan and their dynamics and end off on the gut punch of Chani's death.
Part of why I loved Messiah was how tragic the ending was. Will it be pleasing to general audiences? HELL NO! Will it be a brilliant piece of cinema? With Villeneuve at the helm- FOR SURE!
Adapting Messiah would definitely be a challange given that barely anything happens in the books other than people talking or thinking. But I do admit: I would loooove to see the stone burner scene realized on the big screen.
Couldn’t agree more. Absolutely love Messiah, it’s my favorite book of the series.
QUINN IS THE OG, love both of you guys!!! ✊🏾 🌈
love his scifi book reviews, esp into Three Body. Wish he'd do Macroscope by Piers Anthony; he'd love it.
I can contribute my love for Dune to Quinn. He got me into the books. Read them all in a summer, couldn't stop. Quinn's deep dives and discussions really help reign in this massive story. I feel like Part 2 was always supposed to be a big, explosive, movie. There was so much in the Dune book that was eluded to but not described in detail; many skirmishes and battles that Paul leads that are just a footnote in a long, thought filled, chapter.
I went to a Brian Herbert book reading at Borderlands Books and he talked about the origins you mentioned as well. He said his dad Frank based Jessica on his mom (as is well known) and I asked if he had any experiences of his mom being telepathic or in any other way resembling the character of Jessica. He had such good examples of it including one in a public place with an automatic? hand dryer with other people too. It was so fun and so cool to hear. I know a lot of people hate on Brian but it was a really great book reading. He stayed for hours and there were only like 7 of us so he got really in depth and took time to answer all our dumb questions and we even went way off topic talking about all sorts of things and he was into it and really fun. Nice guy.
I have heard the same thing, that he's bright, fun to talk to, a good speaker, as you say a really nice guy....It's sort of unfortunate, the guy knows a lot about his dad's work, obviously cares deeply about it, and he just can't write very well. He doesn't have that spark. It must be awful to have all the ideas, all the desire, all the love for the stories and simply not be able to make it work.
It doesn't help that the poor guy's dad is a writer and storyteller so skilled that he manages to make Dune, a complete disaster that should NRVER have worked, turgid, slow, often silly, and yet Frank Herbert's genius fills it and turns it into one of the greatest works of sf ever written. There aren't many people in history that could have 'taken over' the story from Frank Herbert, and I won't hate on Brian Herbert for failing where almost nobody could ever have succeeded.
Quinn understands Villeneuve and movies in general much more than other Dune channels, especially much more than Secrets of Dune, that dude is always complaining.
Quinn is so flippin smart - love his channel and how he explains everything in detail I enjoy without feeling talked down to. He wouldn't criticize me for ending that sentence in a preposition. ha!
Couldn’t agree more, he understands how the movie must be different from the book in some ways to be great. What makes the book perfect cannot be translated to film and so that’s not what denis should focus on.
Quinn does quite a bit of complaining about other franchises especially when he’s berating them against Dune.
His Dune knowledge is very good but when he talks about other franchises it’s very clear he doesn’t understand them at all nor is he very knowledgeable.
The irony of Dune fans gravitating towards one influencer over another is delightful.
Interesting.. which series in particular do you mean?
Holy shit 2 hours of dune
I'm a huge fan of Quinn's Ideas - saw an earlier collab with him on your channel previously. So glad to see you working together again. Love how clever both you gents are and also listen at times to Quinn's buddy David LIghtbringer. Great you all are in contact and please let us know when you're in the bay area again as I would've loved to see you when you were here in Alameda a couple years back. tysm
Also a fan of all 3 channels
Nice!@@barryhercules7588 I'll definitely say hi if I see you on any of their live streams - fun!
Oh damn, this is exciting!!! You two together is prime content
No, this is TH-cam.
you both are among my favorite subscriptions. stories i was already enjoying have been enriched by your videos, and it would be impossible to list all the information i never would have known without each of you.
Oh, that was unexpected but very welcome!! Love your streams/podcasts Shift & Quinn! Meanwhile, Schwifty boy clearly tries to mimic these impeccable streams with Gladiolus, such amateur
In Texas we have mushrooms that mostly grow out of cow patties and they trun blue where injured like the stalk where boken. It's usually after a rain that you go looking for them, it's really cool when you find them growing profusely.
Been a Dune fan for decades now and somehow you guys were still able to come up with really interesting takeaways that I never sow before in this stream. Paul's constant visions of infinite horror desensitizing him from the violence he commits is somewhat obvious but I just never thought about it
What an amazing Duneverse talk between two of the most knowledgeable people in TH-cam.
Please, make this a recurring thing.
I love listening to alt shift x and I especially love when Quinn joins in. Excited for all the upcoming content. Cheers fellas
I really needed this today, thanks bros
Just would like to give a big shout out and thank you to Quinn. A couple of videos of yours I watched some years ago are what sent me down the rabbit hole of ASOIAF/GOT theory videos. Discovering Preston, David, Joe Magician, Hills Alive, Nettles, Greyscale Tim, Glidus, Alt Schift X……was all thanks to you! Thank you!
Quinn's Ideas is such an underrated channel that I got excited when I read the title of this video. Great collab!
I love these live vids! Keep the great work 👍🏾
Ayyyyyy I was hoping to see yall collab again!
Thank you ASX for shouting out The OA, one of the most wonderful and imaginative shows Netflix produced and they killed it mid-story.
2h+, didn't get boring any minute. And got sooo many spoilers, blame is on me :) superb chat/discussion/podcast congratulations both of you.
Quinn and Alt shift X are awesome! This video made my day!
WOAH TWO OF MY FAVOURITE LORE CHANNELS TOGETHER?
CANT BELIEVE I MISSED THE STREAM
Thank for a great stream from two of my favs ❤
I love all the adaptations of Dune because I love Dune. Seeing other interpretations of it widens my mind to what it means and what I missed. Other difficult to understand books low budget adaptations help me understand them better as well. I fully encourage all low budget interpretations of anything because the creators help me learn and have fun and so do we.
This is such a nice and refreshing attitude to see, as opposed to all of the people who keep saying stuff like "they RUINED DUNE by making Kynes a woman / showing Jessica crying / changing Shaddam's hair color / etc." It's like dude, the books will always be there, part of the fun of an adaptation is seeing a fresh spin on things. So many people have made up their minds and hate a film that's not even out yet, just because it doesn't conform to their idea of what it should be like (exactly like the books). IMO the changes are what make the films interesting, and it'd be quite boring if nothing was changed in adaptation.
ikr i loved the crazy costumes including the hats in that adaptation just because it was scifi and who cares they let the costume dept go nuts@@claris108
49:00 Paul and Eren are so similar in his character arc and powers that i doubt Isayama didn't took inspiration from dune
missed the stream but excited to watch -- love listening to you both !
I loved the 2000s mini series. Even the weird hats remind me of old 60s sci-fi mixed with the renaissance but the costume Irulan wears with the butterflies dates the series…. Along with CGI as you’ve mentioned.
I love you man. The way you explain the stories. It gives me a hardy.
Cool full circle moment here: I watched both ASX and Quinn’s ASOIAF’s content over the years but kinda stopped just as time went on. Watched Dune 2 last night, now here I am for the two of them to talk about the lore and story again 😂. Cheers boys
Quinn and Shift in one video. Epicness
Such a great, nerdy discussion
omg a Quinn&AltShiftX colab :O
it must be christmas
Köseman is is actually currently rewriting All Tomorrows into a new version.
I love these videos so much.
So drax is gonna fight thanos
Narrative blue balls!!! This podcast is just intellectual gold, love it.
"Narrative blue ball" a phrase I never thought I'd hear! Tremendous!
Damn i'm a huge fan of you both! I got to Quinn because of Dune, but then he got me into so many good novels. I'd love you to cover some of them, like the Three Body problem or Cage of Souls, i think they'd fit your style.
Now that the movie is out I think the way Alia was incorporated was the best part of part 2
about the invincible comic, it's more like an anime than watchmen, it's fun and dumb and pulls some surprises every so often
Not including the big boss 'blue ball' fight as you describe it lol is even better because letting those kinds of fights go is ultimately so much more rewarding in real life. Even if you wanted to beat the poop out of them, walking away as if they're not worth the effort is so much more rewarding in time. 'In time' is the key because we don't see we've won until time has passed. There's always a bigger fish so walk away if you can.
I wonder if the Chani dilemma can work with her choosing love over her culture because it mirrors Paul's choice to turn away from the golden path. In the end, they both make the easy path and end up sacrificing their culture/humanity because of it.
You could think of it as a companion piece you can read the book for the inner battle and the movie for the spectacle.
I really hope we get messiah because it would be such a subversion of a stereotypical sequel that big franchises usually get
Dune Messiah will be when Chalamet gets older it may be a combination of some of the books
That’s going to be an extremely difficult movie to make well. Unfortunately I think that messiah would be last film made. Beyond that I’m not sure if mainstream audiences would necessarily understand or enjoy god emperor as well as the rest of the books. I love dune but it gets weird as hell and pretty damn morbid.
I just saw Frank Herbert's house go on sale here in San Francisco so it's really fun to learn what you said about his taxes and interpretations of property - ha! A friend from Germany couldn't grasp how outrageous US politics got in 2017 until I explained part of the problem is how big the US is and how hard it is to govern with federal vs state rights among other things. When I showed her the size of Germany on a map compared to Texas including population she clicked on how hairy bureaucracy can get.
Glad your botb doing a video together
2 great youtubers❤
A song of spice and liars xD. Makes perfect senses. Of course Martin would have like to write something like Dune. He was a sci fi writer.
the two OGs on Dune on yt
That’s so kool TH-camrs coming together 🔥🔥🔥
Just finished the book whilst listening to the audiobook. I understand now why adapting it is so difficult. It’s very cool that the Emperor is very powerful but also totally dependent on the Guild and subject to manipulation by the Bene Gesserit.
So glad someone brought AOT to the table because Eren and Paul are soooo similar and god it's so so so good.
Idk they both seem like different characters to me
@@neutral_10 to me they're similar in the fact they both have visions of the future that they kinda act upon on, without really understanding then or the consequences that much and doing bad things in the name of a greater good. The rumble on AOT and the Jihad on Dune
@@ReegSkywalker I see the similarities but there are key differences. I feel Eren was more about exploring free will while Paul was about the dangers of blindly following a charismatic leader.
Eren is much closer to Leto II imo. They both see and act upon a horrible future of genocide, planning to be seen as a villain and (willingly) getting assassinated to unify the world/universe
I feel like DV puts a more realistic vibe into scifi kind of like nolan with the batman movies. It makes everything seem like it can happen which i love.
The scene in dune messiah with Scytale, Edric, Irulan and the Rev mother is a top 5 scene IMO. The audiobook version of the first couple chapters of messiah is A1
Dude you should do some book summaries more often, like you did Hamlet earlier
Two legends
I often wondered whether the lynch version guild navigators was a link to hod emperor paul. Like an in between of the evolution. The worm is the full evolution but the guild is on the path because of spice. I know that the worm is because of the sand worms but i can see some of the influence being drawn though.
It's based on the description of Edrik in messiah
I think y’all are fundamentally wrong about Messiah not working as a film. As long as they show the atrocities of the jihad, the ending is sad and haunting and perfect. Paul loses his last remaining connection to his humanity, realizes he is a slave to his prescience and that he has become one of history’s greatest monsters, and walks into the desert to die alone. Audiences may be shocked and upset, but it’s an ending they will remember forever.
I hope they'll release the movie with the first one in front.
Spices relation to mushrooms comes from Frank's book the santaroga barrier
wow, I thought "this reminds me of Attack on Titan" and a couple of minutes later Quinn said exactly that!
Great minds think alike, I guess.
i was born at a young age
Whether Paul led all those Fremen to die is a really interesting question, I think. There’s an argument to be made that they had AGREED to die- they hadn’t agreed to be CHANGED in the way that enforcing and living under his regime would change them.
They actually showed the IMAX version on HBO due to the pandemic.
I have no IMAX nearby & honestly I have an auto immune disease so there was no way I could go. It was great released it on HBO. Iknow its not the same but i have a HUGE tv and was able to see the whole thing.
West World's soundtrack was "MUAH" Chef's kiss!!! I think Trent Reznor did the soundtrack (don't quote me on that I just remember listening to the music and recognizing his touch. I KNOW he did the soundtrack for the Watchmen (fucking BRILLIANT the music.. show too).😊🌛🌚
Westworlds soundtrack was Ramin Djawadi (same bloke who did GoT) Hard agree it was incredible
@@jw9485 Well then Reznor did some of the music then. I definitely recognized his piano playing. Maybe they did some collab?
Have you heard WW sound track... Oh God it's so good.
There is one cover of a NIN song in Westworld S4's soundtrack, but otherwise I'm unaware of Reznor being involved in the composition of the series
Alt, have you ever read or heard of the Metabarons comic series? It’s very Dune-esque, obvious since the writer was Jodorowsky.
2:02:44 Paco Rabanne fall collection 2020, can't be a coincidence....
With Chani, I think it depends on whether they keep Leto 1.5 in the plot. If her child is killed then I could see her not caring what needs to be done similar to Paul.
Aw dang I missed it!
I think the best way for me to have dune messiah adopted into a movie is start by having Paul walking around dune and have him have flash backs into how he met hayt how chani dies and how all the plots were against him
Or have pieces of flash backs
And ends with Paul walking into a cave
This movie will leak online before the March release. They already made copies for the award season.
1:18:50
For the board gamers, I'd strongly recommend Dune: Imperium. It's also not the easiest game for someone who has only played UNO & Monopoly but it is much, MUCH easier to get into than the classic Dune game.
55:55 well they did 😂
I heard Messiah got confirmed
I wonder if the fact that Shaddam used Fenring to murder his father will come up. Quite the awesome background character indeed.
2000 miniseries was shoot in Czech Republic and it will never not be funny to me seeing all these Czech actors I know there.
Wondering do you think this film would have the return of a certain master of arms?
Paul’s Royalty, his flaws effectively don’t matter to Chani
Irulan's outfit isn't armor. It's totally ceremonial
I’ll be waiting for the next meeting between you that will come out a month before Denis’ next installment in his Dune series.
Everybody always calls Dune's ending anticlimactic, because it is, but its story isnt
The thing because get weirded out by is the fact that the big climactic battle is completely skipped so we are just left with the descending action and a short intense duel, and a short ending thereafter
But insert a big 20min battle sequence and all that goes away
Can't imagine how this eludes the mind of most analysts and reviewers talking about Dune
What. I always though the spice (not water) was the analogy for oil. It wouldn't make any sense whatsoever for it to be water.
I want to kiss a Bene Geserit.
The sword of truth
Alia need to be explained on "Children of Dune" together with her nephew and nice... that is when that information will have consequence.
The sad part is that the 80s movie won't be topped
Please please get back to this with 2
I hope that they show how Jessica transformed the poison in the water of life into the aphrodisiac.
Zendaia definitely is a nightmare 😅
I'd love to hear you guys just shoot the shit about more sci fi.
I didn't know they were expanding Chani's role and also the Empress'. Marriage always seemed like such a trap to me because not a lot benefits the woman. It seems so much more beautiful to choose every morning if one wants to stay with their partner as opposed to being locked into it. I think Frank really underestimated how great Chani's character could be and hopefully Deni updates both these female characters future, esp after all they lost or gave up for Paul. This seems like such a great topic after the Barbie movie came out - have either of you seen it? It has such positive outlooks for everyone regardless of sex ethnicity age socioeconomic status etc. Super fun too.
Lol found the feminist
lol found the arsehole@@bennygerow you do realize feminism means equality, right? why do women (or other minorities) being equal to men scare you?