I have the 078s arriving soon and have contacted my local roaster who was happy to help with 7kg of beans from old and failed roasts. So will be able to season burs with these. Plan to do it over several days in short bursts rather than all in one go so as to not overheat burrs or motor.
Thanks for your update.. Now that seasoning HAS been achieved, what other grinders would you say are on an equal level in the cup? Let's hope that someone with influence at Timemore is listening to all of these reports of seasoning requirements and actually DOES something about it at the factory level. I have had more than a few grinders and haven't felt the need to throw 4-7kg of beans through before acceptable shots are attainable.
My experience so far with the 78s is the same. Its very frustrating and poor QC that we need to season the grinder with 5kg plus of coffee to start to get a good result. I have all the issues described in the video. Supper annoying when i switch to my old grinder and boom no more problems. I regret getting caught up in the Kickstarter campaign 🤷
I just got my 078s and I have the same problem. Extremely bitter result eventhough already weight the bean and time properly. Now need to buy 2-3kg of cheap beans just to season it. Not fun. Currently going back to the Niche zero.
It does. I wonder if one could use an ultrasonic cleaner (sonicator) or other similar process on them instead. Or use some polishing compound/rouge. Or maybe even sandblasting with a fine fine sand?
I bought the cheapest beans I could find and think of it as doing the world a favour by preventing someone else having to suffer drinking them! Don't feel bad about wasting terrible coffee, it's better than wasting 4kg of your good coffee making bad tasting drinks.
or you can just try to contact your local roaster if you have one close, whenever they experiment with roasting settings and new batches they often get undrinkable coffee that they would gladly give/sell at a cheap price
I think it's absolutely an unacceptable level and Timemore should be refunding at least US$40 to every customer who is having to go to the expense of and take the time to put that many kilos of coffee through their grinder before it can do even drinkable espresso (this is their grinder designed for espresso!). I think customers deserve more tbh, but what they really deserve is a grinder that can at least make passable coffee out of the box, knowing with seasoning it will get even better. It would take me 10 months of filter usage before it's seasoned to a basic level according to Aramse Coffee's numbers. That is ridiculous. I wonder if they've ended up with quite poor quality machining on these burrs for it to be this bad? This is going to damage their reputation. I personally was oscillating between the 078 and 078s and now really regret choosing the 078s as I wanted to get an espresso machine in addition to my current filter set up. Everyone has loved the 078 right away and now I wish I'd gone down that route but that's the risk with a Kickstarter I guess? You're buying before the machine has been tested and at least some of us thought the quality on the 078 would be at least somewhat indicative of the 078s, perhaps naively?
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I have the 078s arriving soon and have contacted my local roaster who was happy to help with 7kg of beans from old and failed roasts. So will be able to season burs with these. Plan to do it over several days in short bursts rather than all in one go so as to not overheat burrs or motor.
Thanks for bringing Aramse on. dso snarky and funny. I really enjoy his channel. Love having you bring in other youtubers.
Thanks for your update..
Now that seasoning HAS been achieved, what other grinders would you say are on an equal level in the cup?
Let's hope that someone with influence at Timemore is listening to all of these reports of seasoning requirements and actually DOES something about it at the factory level. I have had more than a few grinders and haven't felt the need to throw 4-7kg of beans through before acceptable shots are attainable.
My experience so far with the 78s is the same. Its very frustrating and poor QC that we need to season the grinder with 5kg plus of coffee to start to get a good result. I have all the issues described in the video. Supper annoying when i switch to my old grinder and boom no more problems. I regret getting caught up in the Kickstarter campaign 🤷
Maybe the standard 078 is better for espresso out of the box?
No thats a filter only, it can't do espresso. 78s does both, but obviously not filter as well as the 78
I am still waiting for my 064s from batch 2 and my 78s from batch 3. Do these things ever ship at all??
Hi Hoon, Very informative video. As I await for my 064s in US, would 064s also have the same sessoning concerns for espresso?
I just got my 078s and I have the same problem. Extremely bitter result eventhough already weight the bean and time properly. Now need to buy 2-3kg of cheap beans just to season it. Not fun. Currently going back to the Niche zero.
Took me about 4kg but thankfully the results are a lot better after. Kind of annoying but I think it's worth it at the KS price despite this
Do you just buy 5kg of cheap beans, sacrifice them and grind it through to season the burrs? Seems very wasteful.
It does. I wonder if one could use an ultrasonic cleaner (sonicator) or other similar process on them instead. Or use some polishing compound/rouge. Or maybe even sandblasting with a fine fine sand?
I bought the cheapest beans I could find and think of it as doing the world a favour by preventing someone else having to suffer drinking them! Don't feel bad about wasting terrible coffee, it's better than wasting 4kg of your good coffee making bad tasting drinks.
@@chrisdturner lol that's a good way to look at it
or you can just try to contact your local roaster if you have one close, whenever they experiment with roasting settings and new batches they often get undrinkable coffee that they would gladly give/sell at a cheap price
I think it's absolutely an unacceptable level and Timemore should be refunding at least US$40 to every customer who is having to go to the expense of and take the time to put that many kilos of coffee through their grinder before it can do even drinkable espresso (this is their grinder designed for espresso!). I think customers deserve more tbh, but what they really deserve is a grinder that can at least make passable coffee out of the box, knowing with seasoning it will get even better. It would take me 10 months of filter usage before it's seasoned to a basic level according to Aramse Coffee's numbers. That is ridiculous. I wonder if they've ended up with quite poor quality machining on these burrs for it to be this bad? This is going to damage their reputation. I personally was oscillating between the 078 and 078s and now really regret choosing the 078s as I wanted to get an espresso machine in addition to my current filter set up. Everyone has loved the 078 right away and now I wish I'd gone down that route but that's the risk with a Kickstarter I guess? You're buying before the machine has been tested and at least some of us thought the quality on the 078 would be at least somewhat indicative of the 078s, perhaps naively?