So you're in turn insulting people based off their thought process? That's just dumb lol. That is in fact how "cool" people act, arrogant, tough, strong, inconsiderate, etc.
So, Venom, which is the name of the third villain, is a symbiote that amplifies the characteristics of it's host, yes, but after bonding with Spider-Man, he was able to replicate most of the things he was doing as Spider-Man...For example - he learned to make organic "webs" out of his own material. He also figured out how to avoid triggering Peter's Spider-Sense, which is why he could sneak attack on him so easily. Venom can also keep the genetic memory of anyone he ever bonded with, so the moment he bonded with Eddie - Eddie knew all about MJ, Sandman, Harry, and others.
6:54 Yes, they do. I am 10 meters next to a tram stop, and it feels like a mini earthquake every time trams pass by. So when a real earthquake comes, most of us are oblivious to it.
Sam Raimi's vision for this movie was certainly a lot more concise than what the final product ended up as, but as a good chunk of people will surely tell you, producer Avi Arad is to blame for cramming so many characters and subplots into it, mostly because he wanted to sell toys. The movie honestly turned out pretty good in spite of the dumb executive decisions, but had it been better received initially, Raimi's plan was to continue the series with various other villains, such as Dr. Connors becoming the Lizard, his supervillain counterpart from the comics, and I believe there were also plans to bring Electro in at some point. Reportedly, the three characters played by Bruce Campbell in each of the movies (fight promoter, theater usher and french maître d') were also meant to actually be the same character, namely Mysterio disguising himself to spy on Peter, and Peter's landlord Mr. Ditkovich would turn out to be an older, retired version of Kraven the Hunter.
One of the few things that kept accurate from the original story of how the merged with him while he was sleeping 😴 and most people forget that Gwen was his first love...MJ came years later.
When they bonded it kept the strength and abilities of Spiderman but stronger and allowing Brock to use it only when the symbiote comes out other than that he's just back to human.
It's a bit disappointing that Harry Osborn never actually wore the traditional Green Goblin suit in Spider-Man 3, as this was a major storyline in the comics. After Norman Osborn’s death, Spider-Man initially believed Norman had returned as the Green Goblin, only to later discover it was actually Harry behind the mask. In the film, they don’t even try to hide that Harry is this “New Goblin.” Perhaps this change came about when Venom was added, shifting the focus away from Harry. Still, while the audience likely knew Harry would become the Goblin after the ending of Spider-Man 2, it would have been more impactful to see Peter and other characters believe that Norman had somehow returned, shocked at the reveal that this new Goblin was Harry. In the comics, Norman did eventually come back, leading to some incredible storylines where he shifts from being a costumed villain to a powerful businessman. At one point, Norman even becomes the Mayor of New York City and the leader of the Dark Avengers, donning the Iron Patriot armor an Iron Man suit painted in the colors of the American flag. This concept was adapted in Iron Man 3 (2013), where James Rhodes becomes the Iron Patriot. Interestingly, after the Dark Avengers were disbanded in the comics, Rhodes also took on the Iron Patriot mantle, bringing the idea full circle between film and comic adaptations. There’s also the Hobgoblin, an amazing character who was heavily featured in the 1990s Spider-Man: The Animated Series. The show made an interesting change by introducing the Hobgoblin before Norman Osborn even became the Green Goblin, shaking things up a bit from the comics. The Hobgoblin was brilliantly voiced by Mark Hamill, who is, of course, the iconic voice of The Joker in Batman: The Animated Series (Among others) and also known for his role as Luke Skywalker in Star Wars.
No. It's just that the audience already knew it was Harry from how Spider-Man 2 ended. And Peter would've also thought it was Harry, because come on, he's not stupid. Also, Harry doesn't look good in that goofy Goblin costume
Eh, gotta fast track things in the movies. Don't have several issues to get from point A to point B. Much like how in the comics it wasn't revealed that Norman was the original Green Goblin for a long time, but in the movie they show the origin from the start. The big mystery of who is the Green Goblin was great, but they don't have time for that in the movies.
The original story Spidey and a few other heroes and villains was picked and teleported to an alien planet by a celestial being (The Beyonder) to see who'd win good or evil... that's how Spidey came across the symbiote because he thought it was an alien AI suit that enhanced his abilities and strength not knowing at the time that it was alive and a bonding type parasite...he brought it back to earth and had for a few years until he discovered what it really was.
*Comics Origin:* In the comics, Peter Parker first encounters the symbiote during the Secret Wars event, which ran from May 1984 to April 1985. This was a massive crossover where the world’s greatest heroes and villains were teleported to Battleworld to fight each other. After one of the battles, Peter’s Spider-Man suit is damaged, so he visits the lab of Reed Richards, a.k.a. Mister Fantastic of the Fantastic Four. While in the lab, Peter finds a tube containing the symbiote, which bonds with him, forming the now-iconic black suit with the white spider emblem. In Spider-Man comics it would first appear in Amazing Spider-Man #252, released in May 1984, marking the suit’s debut. After the heroes return to Earth, Peter continues wearing the suit through several issues of Amazing Spider-Man. However, by Amazing Spider-Man #258 (November 1984), Peter grows suspicious of the suit and takes it to Reed Richards for analysis. Reed reveals that the suit is actually a living organism, a symbiote which freaks Peter out. Using a sonic device, Reed forces the symbiote off of Peter, but it later follows him home and reattaches itself. Realizing the symbiote won’t let go, Peter heads to a church tower and uses the sound of the bells to forcefully remove it. Unbeknownst to him, Eddie Brock is in the same church. Brock, who blames Spider-Man for ruining his journalism career after Peter exposed the true identity of the Sin-Eater (in Amazing Spider-Man #300, May 1988), becomes the symbiote’s next host, transforming into Venom. After Peter gets rid of the symbiote, he continues wearing a fabric version of the black suit, which was created for him by Black Cat. She thought the suit was "sexy," and Peter kept it for a while. This leads to an interesting visual dynamic when Spider-Man and Venom first face off, with both of them in black and white suits. However, after Mary Jane is attacked by Venom, she understandably grows to hate the sight of Peter in the black suit. In response, Peter eventually returns to his classic red and blue costume. *90s Animated Series Inspiration:* The concept of the symbiote changing the personality of its host was introduced and popularized by the 90s Spider-Man: The Animated Series, which also adapted this iconic storyline but removed the Secret Wars connection. In the series, two astronauts are on a mission to an asteroid when the symbiote sneaks aboard their spaceship on the return trip to Earth. During re-entry, the symbiote attacks one of the pilots, causing them to lose control and crash-land on a bridge in New York. Spider-Man arrives to save the day and unknowingly brings the symbiote home with him. Later, while Peter is asleep, the symbiote covers him, and he wakes up in a new black suit, dramatically looking at his reflection in a skyscraper window, similar to how it happens in Spider-Man 3. Peter later takes the suit to Doctor Connors, who informs him that it's not just a suit but a living organism, a symbiote, echoing scenes from the film. Like in the comics and movie, Peter eventually realizes the symbiote is dangerous and heads to a church bell tower. The sound of the bell forces the symbiote off of Peter, and it falls onto Eddie Brock, who, like in the comics, blames Spider-Man for ruining his career and thus becomes Venom.
Also, the idea for Sandman having a sick daughter and working with Venom to kill Spidey due to blackmail comes from "Spider-Man Reign". (You know when a lot of superhero movies were set in the "Not too distant future"?That idea comes from "Spider-Man Reign" as well, the basic premise being Peter Parker is a florist and must return to being Spider-Man after years of retirement after Venom who is running for mayor of New York under an alias and Sandman team up and kidnap Mary Jane Watson much like in The Film, ultimately Spidey stops the villains and saves MJ but at great cost).
The best thing about that initial chase was that it was Comic book or FoxKids Cartoon original. Except the Green Goblin used to chase him. Also, the symbiote makes him "emo" (emotionally unregulated). Things he wouldn't do because he self-censors himself regardless of the anger. Imagine a "no fucks given" version of yourself. The things you'd do if you don't care. The fact that he only did this much speaks volume. Here as well as in the comics. Finally, in comics/cartoon of foxkids, the venom wasn't a spiderman. His web wasn't a web but its own extension and was more stronger than spiderman's version. He mimicked him after leaving him. Same here. If you see, he is already sticky so can climb walls and his web is black extension of himself. Not spider webs.
For (SPIDERMAN:NO WAY HOME) MUST WATCH MOVIES are:- . SPIDER-MAN 1,2&3 .TASM 1&2 . VENOM 1&2 . SPIDER-MAN into the SPIDERVERSE . DAREDEVIL (S1 will be enough for No way home and HAWKEYE S1)
There's lots to love about Spider-Man 3, but it suffers from an acute case of "Too-Many-Ideas-itis." Marvel basically pestered Sam Raimi into putting Venom into the film, which makes the first act race by without giving you time to process anything. I think your forgetting early on that there's an alien in the film is an indication of how Venom was shoehorned into the plot when they already had something more solid with the Sandman arc. It just becomes a case of Venom crowding a movie that needed more time for emotional beats between Peter, MJ and Harry. I'm not saying that 3 is terrible, just that its not quite as good as the first two because of the extra symbiote plot stuff that weighs it down. Anyway, thanks for such great reactions. The Raimi Spider-Man films are among my favorite of all time, and it's great to see that others enjoy them too. All the best.
the thing about peter parker, if someone dies and he could have saved them, he blames himself. it's why he tried to let mj go in 1 and 2. and mj knew that when they started dating
Brock hated Spiderman for exposing a lie he printed in the Bugle on a serial killer which he lost his job, apartment and relationship...the symbiote hated him because it was rejected by Spiderman because in a crazy way it developed an emotional bond sensing the hatred from Brock they bonded becoming Venom and the symbiote told him everything about Parker/Spiderman and can even block his spider sense from detecting him.
Spider-Man 3 was meant Sandman and Harry Osborne is the new Goblin with is Side Story finally being completed with his death but stupid Avi Arad ruined it he interfered Sam vision put Venom in because if he wanted fans to like Spider-Man 3 even more put in our favorite character Venom but Sam doesn't know Venom he said something like he tried to make it work it didn't go well and it cost Harry to be sideline we were supposed to have more of him being evil Goblin and attacking Peter with his suit glider
Sandman originally was gonna be the main villain but then venom was forced in. I enjoy this movie but disappointed we never got spider man 4. Apparently we were gonna get spider woman I believe and John malkovich as the vulture which would’ve been amazing!
As others have said, they tried to cram too much into this one, so it's very convoluted. I also share the opinion of others, that they should have killed off MJ and had Peter get with Ursula instead. That girl worshipped him, and she deserved Peter's love more than MJ ever did.
Eddie got Spider-Man abilities because Venom (the alien parasite) was attached to Peter first and it takes with it the strongest traits of whoever it bonds with
if you wanna learn more about spidey highly recommend the show spectacular spider-man it's one of the best portrayals of the spidey comics. its only 26 episodes long because it got cancelled before they could finish it.
Not sure who has more fun watching these movies the first time: long-time fans like me who for example knew about Flint Marko/Sandman from when they were little kids (in my case over 60 years years ago now) and so already have some idea what to expect or people like you who knew virtually nothing about Sandman or Venom until they actually see them for the very first time in this movie. But it seems to me these kinds of superhero movies can be enjoyed by anyone either way. Btw Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer is established only in this movie; the comic book version had absolutely nothing to do with it at the time and afaik never since either.
I notice a lot of people criticizing Peter for sharing "the kiss" with another woman, but he wasn't thinking about that when it happened spontaneously, but Mary Jane purposely shared "the kiss" with another man, and nobody bats an eye.
@MKultraInstinct which made it even worse, because she was purposely trying to recreate the moment with another guy, Peter wasn't thinking about it when it happened with him.
What I didn't like about Spiderman 3 is 1) wrong actor playing Eddie Brock 2) Venom should've ended after being revealed because that's a movie entirely in itself just fighting Venom alone 3) Cain Marko/Sandman is a street criminal not the softy in the movie...they took bits and pieces from the original story between Parker, the symbiote and Brock/Venom.
I was 6/7 when this movie released, I loved it, I loved the idea of having venom finally on the big screen, looking back venom could’ve been so much better, he was too scrawny in this movie, nonetheless I think this movie got way more hate than necessary.
Many issues with the movie as you mentioned some, but is still nice conclusion. Btw the "Emo Peter" is a well known meme, we call him "Bully Mcguire" x'd And as a commenter pointed out earlier, he is emo and RIDICULOUS because at the end of the day, he still quirky dummy Peter right, so he acts as he believes a cool guy would act. It is kinda overcrowded in this movie, how we have like 3-5 separate plotlines on it (which is my personal biggest criticique on the movie) Also, i THINK you haven't reacted to the Venom movies. If that's the case i think you should watch them as well (the 3rd one is comming out soon). It is kind of "its own universe", even separate from Tom Holland's Spiderman, but is still cool and funny saga and Tom Hardy does a great job as Eddie. I do think you'll like them c: Ps. Also the movies go on to explain a bit more about what the "Symbiote" are and what exactly it is that they do in terms of powers and weaknesses and stuff, so gives u great context as well!
I don't know if you play video games much but there's a really good Spider-Man game on PC and PlayStation 4/5 and it's sequel is currently only on ps5 but I'm sure it'll eventually get a PC release as well
If you take a step back, MJ is really hard to take. Through 3 movies, she mistreats three different guys who really did love her. It's fine if she doesn't know what she wants yet, but don't string anybody along in the meantime. I would've liked this movie more if they didn't bring in Venom. It should've stayed focused on Peter's struggle with vengeance and to reject the worse side of himself. Venom vs Spiderman should've been a whole other movie. Also, Topher Grace as Eddie Brock? Raimi did a great job of casting everyone else. This was a mistake.
I’m not sure if you will reply to my comment but In the original draft of Spider-Man 3 Sam rami wanted to do the villain the vulture we were still going to have sandman the actor that would have played vulture was Ben Kingsley and there was even concept art of vultures wings
You pretty much nailed it with the "too many villains" thing. The studio was adamant about including Venom and basically forced Sam Raimi to add in the Eddie Brock storyline. He was never happy about it and openly admits his heart wasn't totally in directing this movie, and was never happy with the finished movie.
I don't think the problem is too many villains - there's plenty of great movies with even more, especially so if you venture outside just the superhero genre. The problem here is more that the movie has multiple stories it's trying to tell, rather than using those characters to create a unified story, IMO.
@@TheRawrnstuff Basically yeah. I think "too many villains" is a short hand version of what you said. Not so much too many villains but too many villain stories. We get the origin story of 2 of them, basically an origin story of the third, along with losing that villain getting them back, and THEN even a redemption arc. And Venom is a long story in itself with the bonding and then being unattached to become the villain. You could EASILY make a whole movie of that alone. And none of it ties into the personal problems he's having, which are a big part of Spider-Man stories but most meld them pretty well. We have a few future movies with more villains, but the movie is one integrated storyline of them.
@@TheRawrnstuff That's a fair point. I do think the stories were mishandled, the way it was written never flows, and there's just SO much going on -- Harry being bad, then good (amnesia? come on), then bad again, then good again. Then retrofitting Flint into Uncle Ben's death. Then of course, out of the 7 billion people on the planet, the symbiote HAD to find Peter, because he's the center of everything, apparently, and then in a city of 8 million people, it HAD to pass along to the one person who hates Peter (and while I love Topher Grace, that was bad casting). And of course, Bully Maguire 😂 Don't get me wrong, there's **some** good stuff in this movie -- Thomas Haden Church is really good as Flint (the sand effect is really good too), Bryce Dallas Howard is good, it's always fun to see Bruce Campbell in a different role -- but overall, it just never stops feeling overstuffed and convoluted.
I'm not in full agreement about Tobey being most authentic to the comics. Growing up Spiderman was my favorite and I read a lot of his stories. I still stand by Tom Holland being closest even though I love Andrew and Tobey to death.
Tom has been a great Peter.. but he really hasn't had the kinds of struggles that the traditional Spiderman has had. No Uncle Ben, no Gwen Stacy, No Norman and Harry turning against him. He's had Tony Stark in his life and isn't working a low paying job to put himself through school. He got the girl and she knows his secret identity. Up until this point in the MCU, he's had it pretty easy. (Please don't reply with spoilers)
Harry would be the main villain cause they were building up to it since the first one sandman wasn't much as a villain cause he's just a guy tryna save his daughter's life just didn't make good decisions to achieve the goal to save his daughter's life venom not a villain at all cause he's pissed off cause spiderman exposed him as a fake photographer and kind of stealing the girl that he like but she don't like him back venom and sandman shouldn't be in the movie cause the motive just doesn't make any sense
Hi Cristy, before you jump to Spiderman NWH, i think after trilogy Spiderman tobey, you must reaction too: duology amazing Spiderman andrew, Venom 1 & 2, then after Spiderman NWH, you must reaction too: Morbius 😅👍🏻
When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, there was a live action series on television called the Amazing Spiderman. It only ran for a couple of seasons (a season was 26 episodes in one year, like every show back then) It starred Nicholas Hammond as Peter Parker. (1977-1979)
For those who don't know this film was scored by Christopher Young. Young came on board after Raimi used his arrangement instead of Danny Elfman's in the Spider-Man 2 train sequence. Elfman was very upset & it would be years until they would work together again due to it. Elfman did not cover it up, the Spider-Man 2 original OST has Elfman's train sequence theme & not the used (in film version) Christopher Young arrangement heard in the movie
30:00 Spiderman 3 is from 2007, wich means the're probably were filming during 2005/2006. At this time, the Emo look was high in fashion. Peter's make up look like Gerard Way from My Chamical Romance (wich released their iconic album The Black Parade at end of 2006) Other big bands like Panic!AtThe Disco and Green Day, that have similar hair and clothing aesthetic, had iconic albuns being released between Spiderman 2 and 3. The EMO moviment carried a lot of the experiences of young people who loved pop punk. That's why its abreviation to "emotional hardicore". So that angry/edgy atitude was associated to their aesthetic. Emos are people who talk about their emotions offen in a passionate and agressive way and it was actually considered disruptive at the time. I was like, 12 whem these band blown up, and was great. So, probably, Sam Raimi got a sense of this thing and borrowed the aesthetic to represent Bully Maguire (blacksuit spiderman/venon). Because he's really being a emo, weaponizing his pain and emotions because he feel the whole world turned back on him. Good stuff. IDK if you're into emo, but My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade and Green Day's American Idiot are masterpieces.
Peter hitting MJ wasn't on purpose and is kind of her own fault for jumping in in the middle of a fight. What else did she expect? He thought it was another person coming to fight him. While that isn't okay that he did hit her. It's not peters fault. When the black goo took over brock. He became venom.
"Hes not actually done anything bad." hes tried to kill 2 people huh In regards to Venom, I recommend watching/reacting to the 90's Spiderman Animated Series if you want information on Spiderman lore. Its a great show, close to comic book accurate and actually inspired a lot of these movies.
If Raimi had wanted to do Venom (not blaming him for not wanting to) and didn't have it forced on him, with the introduction of John Jameson in 2, they had such a perfect setup to do the animated series version of Venom. Swap some things around, like having Harry be the guy he's about to kill instead of Rhino, have Sandman be the one to try and loot the shuttle, the public turns on him after John dies in the shuttle crash cause he was such a beloved figure which is why he latches onto using the suit more, etc. (remove the whole "Flint was actually the one to kill Ben" plot line)
As much as I absolutely hate spiders, Spider-Man is my favorite and I always wanted to be him as a kid. I rewatch all the movies on a regular basis (S3 and NWH are my favorites, I can’t wait to see what the next movie will be like.) Great reaction as always!
Amazingly Bryce Dallas-Howard was unknowingly pregnant with her 1st child during filming & she did the majority of her own stunts in the crane sequence. Years later she has said she looks back on it being miraculous that her unborn child was completely unaffected as she excitedly threw herself into the action
I'm glad you liked Spider-Man 3. From what I hear. It was originally supposed to be a very different movie. For example, the director Sam Raimi wanted different villains. He wanted to use the Vulture. Who we saw in Spider-Man Homecoming. And the Black Cat, whom we have yet to see in a live action movie. Apparently the studio forced the director to use Venom. It's funny that you were first on-board with emo Peter Parker 😅 I get what you mean though. At first we wasn't really doing anything bad and he wasn't letting anyone walk all over him like normal. I think it's an okay movie but definitely the weakest of the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy. Can't wait for you to continue on your Spidey journey 🕷🕸
I remember, when this movie came out, I listened to the review of it from Colorado Public Radio's film critic, Howie Movshovitz. It has been a _very_ long time, so I don't remember the exact choice of words, but he described one of the villains Spider-Man went up against as this black goo that turns you into either a revenge-crazed madman or a terrible dancer.
Bully McGuire is the man. I dont care if people hate Spiderman 3, Spiderman 3 is awesome.
I read a take once on Peter when he has the symbiote in this movie that I really liked. He's acting like a nerd THINKS cool people act.
well yeah, and I think they said so as well in the commentary that tobey and sam raimi did
@@NewsofPE Yeah, Sam Raimi said it if i remember, this is too good
So you're in turn insulting people based off their thought process? That's just dumb lol. That is in fact how "cool" people act, arrogant, tough, strong, inconsiderate, etc.
@@Randomyoutubecommenter I think it's interesting you chose to take that as insulting.
@@Randomyoutubecommenter wtf are you talking about
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On Sept 19th (this past week) "Aunt May" Rosemary Harris turned 97 years old! God bless her 🥰
So, Venom, which is the name of the third villain, is a symbiote that amplifies the characteristics of it's host, yes, but after bonding with Spider-Man, he was able to replicate most of the things he was doing as Spider-Man...For example - he learned to make organic "webs" out of his own material. He also figured out how to avoid triggering Peter's Spider-Sense, which is why he could sneak attack on him so easily.
Venom can also keep the genetic memory of anyone he ever bonded with, so the moment he bonded with Eddie - Eddie knew all about MJ, Sandman, Harry, and others.
Interesting, well put
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6:54 Yes, they do. I am 10 meters next to a tram stop, and it feels like a mini earthquake every time trams pass by. So when a real earthquake comes, most of us are oblivious to it.
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Sam Raimi's vision for this movie was certainly a lot more concise than what the final product ended up as, but as a good chunk of people will surely tell you, producer Avi Arad is to blame for cramming so many characters and subplots into it, mostly because he wanted to sell toys. The movie honestly turned out pretty good in spite of the dumb executive decisions, but had it been better received initially, Raimi's plan was to continue the series with various other villains, such as Dr. Connors becoming the Lizard, his supervillain counterpart from the comics, and I believe there were also plans to bring Electro in at some point. Reportedly, the three characters played by Bruce Campbell in each of the movies (fight promoter, theater usher and french maître d') were also meant to actually be the same character, namely Mysterio disguising himself to spy on Peter, and Peter's landlord Mr. Ditkovich would turn out to be an older, retired version of Kraven the Hunter.
One of the few things that kept accurate from the original story of how the merged with him while he was sleeping 😴 and most people forget that Gwen was his first love...MJ came years later.
When they bonded it kept the strength and abilities of Spiderman but stronger and allowing Brock to use it only when the symbiote comes out other than that he's just back to human.
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"...And now he's made of sand." HAHAHAHAH
It's a bit disappointing that Harry Osborn never actually wore the traditional Green Goblin suit in Spider-Man 3, as this was a major storyline in the comics. After Norman Osborn’s death, Spider-Man initially believed Norman had returned as the Green Goblin, only to later discover it was actually Harry behind the mask. In the film, they don’t even try to hide that Harry is this “New Goblin.” Perhaps this change came about when Venom was added, shifting the focus away from Harry. Still, while the audience likely knew Harry would become the Goblin after the ending of Spider-Man 2, it would have been more impactful to see Peter and other characters believe that Norman had somehow returned, shocked at the reveal that this new Goblin was Harry.
In the comics, Norman did eventually come back, leading to some incredible storylines where he shifts from being a costumed villain to a powerful businessman. At one point, Norman even becomes the Mayor of New York City and the leader of the Dark Avengers, donning the Iron Patriot armor an Iron Man suit painted in the colors of the American flag. This concept was adapted in Iron Man 3 (2013), where James Rhodes becomes the Iron Patriot. Interestingly, after the Dark Avengers were disbanded in the comics, Rhodes also took on the Iron Patriot mantle, bringing the idea full circle between film and comic adaptations.
There’s also the Hobgoblin, an amazing character who was heavily featured in the 1990s Spider-Man: The Animated Series. The show made an interesting change by introducing the Hobgoblin before Norman Osborn even became the Green Goblin, shaking things up a bit from the comics. The Hobgoblin was brilliantly voiced by Mark Hamill, who is, of course, the iconic voice of The Joker in Batman: The Animated Series (Among others) and also known for his role as Luke Skywalker in Star Wars.
No. It's just that the audience already knew it was Harry from how Spider-Man 2 ended. And Peter would've also thought it was Harry, because come on, he's not stupid.
Also, Harry doesn't look good in that goofy Goblin costume
Eh, gotta fast track things in the movies. Don't have several issues to get from point A to point B. Much like how in the comics it wasn't revealed that Norman was the original Green Goblin for a long time, but in the movie they show the origin from the start. The big mystery of who is the Green Goblin was great, but they don't have time for that in the movies.
What was that rant about?
The original story Spidey and a few other heroes and villains was picked and teleported to an alien planet by a celestial being (The Beyonder) to see who'd win good or evil... that's how Spidey came across the symbiote because he thought it was an alien AI suit that enhanced his abilities and strength not knowing at the time that it was alive and a bonding type parasite...he brought it back to earth and had for a few years until he discovered what it really was.
Little did she know that Mary Jane was the actual villain of the trilogy.
True, so true...
The symbiote species are an aggressive breed and either brings out or intensifies it's host aggression.
That Sandman reveal could legitimately be it's own short movie. Just brilliantly shot and filled with emotion.
More replay value than the entire home trilogy
*Comics Origin:*
In the comics, Peter Parker first encounters the symbiote during the Secret Wars event, which ran from May 1984 to April 1985. This was a massive crossover where the world’s greatest heroes and villains were teleported to Battleworld to fight each other. After one of the battles, Peter’s Spider-Man suit is damaged, so he visits the lab of Reed Richards, a.k.a. Mister Fantastic of the Fantastic Four. While in the lab, Peter finds a tube containing the symbiote, which bonds with him, forming the now-iconic black suit with the white spider emblem. In Spider-Man comics it would first appear in Amazing Spider-Man #252, released in May 1984, marking the suit’s debut.
After the heroes return to Earth, Peter continues wearing the suit through several issues of Amazing Spider-Man. However, by Amazing Spider-Man #258 (November 1984), Peter grows suspicious of the suit and takes it to Reed Richards for analysis. Reed reveals that the suit is actually a living organism, a symbiote which freaks Peter out. Using a sonic device, Reed forces the symbiote off of Peter, but it later follows him home and reattaches itself.
Realizing the symbiote won’t let go, Peter heads to a church tower and uses the sound of the bells to forcefully remove it. Unbeknownst to him, Eddie Brock is in the same church. Brock, who blames Spider-Man for ruining his journalism career after Peter exposed the true identity of the Sin-Eater (in Amazing Spider-Man #300, May 1988), becomes the symbiote’s next host, transforming into Venom.
After Peter gets rid of the symbiote, he continues wearing a fabric version of the black suit, which was created for him by Black Cat. She thought the suit was "sexy," and Peter kept it for a while. This leads to an interesting visual dynamic when Spider-Man and Venom first face off, with both of them in black and white suits. However, after Mary Jane is attacked by Venom, she understandably grows to hate the sight of Peter in the black suit. In response, Peter eventually returns to his classic red and blue costume.
*90s Animated Series Inspiration:*
The concept of the symbiote changing the personality of its host was introduced and popularized by the 90s Spider-Man: The Animated Series, which also adapted this iconic storyline but removed the Secret Wars connection. In the series, two astronauts are on a mission to an asteroid when the symbiote sneaks aboard their spaceship on the return trip to Earth. During re-entry, the symbiote attacks one of the pilots, causing them to lose control and crash-land on a bridge in New York.
Spider-Man arrives to save the day and unknowingly brings the symbiote home with him. Later, while Peter is asleep, the symbiote covers him, and he wakes up in a new black suit, dramatically looking at his reflection in a skyscraper window, similar to how it happens in Spider-Man 3.
Peter later takes the suit to Doctor Connors, who informs him that it's not just a suit but a living organism, a symbiote, echoing scenes from the film. Like in the comics and movie, Peter eventually realizes the symbiote is dangerous and heads to a church bell tower. The sound of the bell forces the symbiote off of Peter, and it falls onto Eddie Brock, who, like in the comics, blames Spider-Man for ruining his career and thus becomes Venom.
In the cartoon the shuttle pilot was John Jameson, Jonah Jamison’s son (the son who was to marry MJ in Spider-Man 2)
@@yourlifeisagreatstory The first J in J. Jonah`s name also stands for John.
Also, the idea for Sandman having a sick daughter and working with Venom to kill Spidey due to blackmail comes from "Spider-Man Reign". (You know when a lot of superhero movies were set in the "Not too distant future"?That idea comes from "Spider-Man Reign" as well, the basic premise being Peter Parker is a florist and must return to being Spider-Man after years of retirement after Venom who is running for mayor of New York under an alias and Sandman team up and kidnap Mary Jane Watson much like in The Film, ultimately Spidey stops the villains and saves MJ but at great cost).
doesn't cry when harry dies, cries when peter wants to marry mary jane
Edit: this isn't a critic at all, just find it funny
The fact that he slapped her and she still has her head, she's very lucky.
41:56 i waited for this reaction.
This is one of my favorite Spiderman movies ever
Ahh the introduction of Bully Maguire
i was just coming to say this
Bully maguire
maguire*
Gonna cry?
He's gonna put some dirt in your eye
We are not friends. We are Venom.
The best thing about that initial chase was that it was Comic book or FoxKids Cartoon original. Except the Green Goblin used to chase him.
Also, the symbiote makes him "emo" (emotionally unregulated). Things he wouldn't do because he self-censors himself regardless of the anger. Imagine a "no fucks given" version of yourself. The things you'd do if you don't care. The fact that he only did this much speaks volume. Here as well as in the comics.
Finally, in comics/cartoon of foxkids, the venom wasn't a spiderman. His web wasn't a web but its own extension and was more stronger than spiderman's version. He mimicked him after leaving him. Same here. If you see, he is already sticky so can climb walls and his web is black extension of himself. Not spider webs.
19:20 The maitre d' is Bruce Campbell, who was also the usher who locked Peter out of the theatre in Spider-Man 2.
I love Spider-Man 3
I like your reactions to this spider man!! this is the best one ever!!
For (SPIDERMAN:NO WAY HOME) MUST WATCH MOVIES are:-
. SPIDER-MAN 1,2&3
.TASM 1&2
. VENOM 1&2
. SPIDER-MAN into the SPIDERVERSE
. DAREDEVIL (S1 will be enough for No way home and HAWKEYE S1)
Why venom?
There's lots to love about Spider-Man 3, but it suffers from an acute case of "Too-Many-Ideas-itis." Marvel basically pestered Sam Raimi into putting Venom into the film, which makes the first act race by without giving you time to process anything. I think your forgetting early on that there's an alien in the film is an indication of how Venom was shoehorned into the plot when they already had something more solid with the Sandman arc.
It just becomes a case of Venom crowding a movie that needed more time for emotional beats between Peter, MJ and Harry. I'm not saying that 3 is terrible, just that its not quite as good as the first two because of the extra symbiote plot stuff that weighs it down.
Anyway, thanks for such great reactions. The Raimi Spider-Man films are among my favorite of all time, and it's great to see that others enjoy them too. All the best.
the thing about peter parker, if someone dies and he could have saved them, he blames himself. it's why he tried to let mj go in 1 and 2. and mj knew that when they started dating
Your facial expressions are hilarious😭
This movie is cinema, but Cristy didn't even shed a tear, she cried inside
This was a great reaction ✌🏽💪🏽💯👍
5:15 His name in the Comics was Hob-Goblin. But the movie never says it.
Brock hated Spiderman for exposing a lie he printed in the Bugle on a serial killer which he lost his job, apartment and relationship...the symbiote hated him because it was rejected by Spiderman because in a crazy way it developed an emotional bond sensing the hatred from Brock they bonded becoming Venom and the symbiote told him everything about Parker/Spiderman and can even block his spider sense from detecting him.
I like your reaction, continue your good work!!
Spider-Man 3 was meant Sandman and Harry Osborne is the new Goblin with is Side Story finally being completed with his death but stupid Avi Arad ruined it he interfered Sam vision put Venom in because if he wanted fans to like Spider-Man 3 even more put in our favorite character Venom but Sam doesn't know Venom he said something like he tried to make it work it didn't go well and it cost Harry to be sideline we were supposed to have more of him being evil Goblin and attacking Peter with his suit glider
Even if Spider-Man 3 isn’t the best, I’ll still take it over most of the modern MCU movies we get
13:30. Did you not hear what was said? "Crane out of control"
how do you suppose cops would deal with that?
Shoot the crane out of fear for their lives. "Stop resisting!"
Sandman originally was gonna be the main villain but then venom was forced in. I enjoy this movie but disappointed we never got spider man 4. Apparently we were gonna get spider woman I believe and John malkovich as the vulture which would’ve been amazing!
Your reaction to bully McGuire dancing is the funniest thing I've seen all week.
As others have said, they tried to cram too much into this one, so it's very convoluted. I also share the opinion of others, that they should have killed off MJ and had Peter get with Ursula instead. That girl worshipped him, and she deserved Peter's love more than MJ ever did.
You should watch the venom movies to because there’s some smaller things that will make more sense in no way home if you do
Well, mostly an end-credit scene.
It didn't make you feel SO MANY THINGS, it only made you feel one or two things.
Great, thanks for letting me know
@@CristyReacts you're welcome!!
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I love your channel!!!
Eddie got Spider-Man abilities because Venom (the alien parasite) was attached to Peter first and it takes with it the strongest traits of whoever it bonds with
if you wanna learn more about spidey highly recommend the show spectacular spider-man it's one of the best portrayals of the spidey comics. its only 26 episodes long because it got cancelled before they could finish it.
Not sure who has more fun watching these movies the first time: long-time fans like me who for example knew about Flint Marko/Sandman from when they were little kids (in my case over 60 years years ago now) and so already have some idea what to expect or people like you who knew virtually nothing about Sandman or Venom until they actually see them for the very first time in this movie. But it seems to me these kinds of superhero movies can be enjoyed by anyone either way.
Btw Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer is established only in this movie; the comic book version had absolutely nothing to do with it at the time and afaik never since either.
I notice a lot of people criticizing Peter for sharing "the kiss" with another woman, but he wasn't thinking about that when it happened spontaneously, but Mary Jane purposely shared "the kiss" with another man, and nobody bats an eye.
Yea but they weren’t together at the time
@MKultraInstinct which made it even worse, because she was purposely trying to recreate the moment with another guy, Peter wasn't thinking about it when it happened with him.
“Oh” priceless reaction to Bully 🤣🤣🤣
What I didn't like about Spiderman 3 is 1) wrong actor playing Eddie Brock 2) Venom should've ended after being revealed because that's a movie entirely in itself just fighting Venom alone 3) Cain Marko/Sandman is a street criminal not the softy in the movie...they took bits and pieces from the original story between Parker, the symbiote and Brock/Venom.
The director, Sam Raimi, didn't want to add Venom, but the studio demanded it.
I was 6/7 when this movie released, I loved it, I loved the idea of having venom finally on the big screen, looking back venom could’ve been so much better, he was too scrawny in this movie, nonetheless I think this movie got way more hate than necessary.
Many issues with the movie as you mentioned some, but is still nice conclusion. Btw the "Emo Peter" is a well known meme, we call him "Bully Mcguire" x'd
And as a commenter pointed out earlier, he is emo and RIDICULOUS because at the end of the day, he still quirky dummy Peter right, so he acts as he believes a cool guy would act. It is kinda overcrowded in this movie, how we have like 3-5 separate plotlines on it (which is my personal biggest criticique on the movie)
Also, i THINK you haven't reacted to the Venom movies. If that's the case i think you should watch them as well (the 3rd one is comming out soon). It is kind of "its own universe", even separate from Tom Holland's Spiderman, but is still cool and funny saga and Tom Hardy does a great job as Eddie. I do think you'll like them c:
Ps. Also the movies go on to explain a bit more about what the "Symbiote" are and what exactly it is that they do in terms of powers and weaknesses and stuff, so gives u great context as well!
I don't know if you play video games much but there's a really good Spider-Man game on PC and PlayStation 4/5 and it's sequel is currently only on ps5 but I'm sure it'll eventually get a PC release as well
If you take a step back, MJ is really hard to take. Through 3 movies, she mistreats three different guys who really did love her. It's fine if she doesn't know what she wants yet, but don't string anybody along in the meantime.
I would've liked this movie more if they didn't bring in Venom. It should've stayed focused on Peter's struggle with vengeance and to reject the worse side of himself. Venom vs Spiderman should've been a whole other movie. Also, Topher Grace as Eddie Brock? Raimi did a great job of casting everyone else. This was a mistake.
I’m not sure if you will reply to my comment but In the original draft of Spider-Man 3 Sam rami wanted to do the villain the vulture we were still going to have sandman the actor that would have played vulture was Ben Kingsley and there was even concept art of vultures wings
You pretty much nailed it with the "too many villains" thing. The studio was adamant about including Venom and basically forced Sam Raimi to add in the Eddie Brock storyline. He was never happy about it and openly admits his heart wasn't totally in directing this movie, and was never happy with the finished movie.
I don't think the problem is too many villains - there's plenty of great movies with even more, especially so if you venture outside just the superhero genre. The problem here is more that the movie has multiple stories it's trying to tell, rather than using those characters to create a unified story, IMO.
@@TheRawrnstuff Basically yeah. I think "too many villains" is a short hand version of what you said. Not so much too many villains but too many villain stories. We get the origin story of 2 of them, basically an origin story of the third, along with losing that villain getting them back, and THEN even a redemption arc. And Venom is a long story in itself with the bonding and then being unattached to become the villain. You could EASILY make a whole movie of that alone. And none of it ties into the personal problems he's having, which are a big part of Spider-Man stories but most meld them pretty well. We have a few future movies with more villains, but the movie is one integrated storyline of them.
@@TheRawrnstuff That's a fair point. I do think the stories were mishandled, the way it was written never flows, and there's just SO much going on -- Harry being bad, then good (amnesia? come on), then bad again, then good again. Then retrofitting Flint into Uncle Ben's death. Then of course, out of the 7 billion people on the planet, the symbiote HAD to find Peter, because he's the center of everything, apparently, and then in a city of 8 million people, it HAD to pass along to the one person who hates Peter (and while I love Topher Grace, that was bad casting). And of course, Bully Maguire 😂
Don't get me wrong, there's **some** good stuff in this movie -- Thomas Haden Church is really good as Flint (the sand effect is really good too), Bryce Dallas Howard is good, it's always fun to see Bruce Campbell in a different role -- but overall, it just never stops feeling overstuffed and convoluted.
don't forget the name bully McGuire from now on
maguire*
"This is like the worst kindof disaster to happen in New York"
Well...
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Cristy don't you realize its the black suit that's messing with Peter's mind? 🙄 34:09
He hasn’t done anything bad
Literally done attempted murder twice
I'm not in full agreement about Tobey being most authentic to the comics. Growing up Spiderman was my favorite and I read a lot of his stories. I still stand by Tom Holland being closest even though I love Andrew and Tobey to death.
Tom has been a great Peter.. but he really hasn't had the kinds of struggles that the traditional Spiderman has had. No Uncle Ben, no Gwen Stacy, No Norman and Harry turning against him. He's had Tony Stark in his life and isn't working a low paying job to put himself through school. He got the girl and she knows his secret identity. Up until this point in the MCU, he's had it pretty easy. (Please don't reply with spoilers)
"How does he become Spider Man? The black goo only enhances what's already in you. Brock should become a better photographer"
LOL
14:24 Remember 9/11🇺🇸🙏🏾
1:03 arsenal? 😁
Harry would be the main villain cause they were building up to it since the first one sandman wasn't much as a villain cause he's just a guy tryna save his daughter's life just didn't make good decisions to achieve the goal to save his daughter's life venom not a villain at all cause he's pissed off cause spiderman exposed him as a fake photographer and kind of stealing the girl that he like but she don't like him back venom and sandman shouldn't be in the movie cause the motive just doesn't make any sense
Buen video
Ahora debes ver Venom 2018 y Venom Let There Be Carnage
He’s got that eyeliner like JD Vance. 😂
hahahahahhaha
Hi Cristy, before you jump to Spiderman NWH, i think after trilogy Spiderman tobey, you must reaction too: duology amazing Spiderman andrew, Venom 1 & 2, then after Spiderman NWH, you must reaction too: Morbius 😅👍🏻
Bully Maguire would of destroyed Thanos!
These are absolutely not the most comic accurate movies idk who told you that. Nostalgia has people in a stranglehold sometimes.
If you haven't seen the Green Mile and Powder you should check them out but I must warn you you're gonna need a lot of tissue they're a tear jerker 😢
Eddie is venom
When I was a kid in the late 70s/early 80s, there was a live action series on television called the Amazing Spiderman. It only ran for a couple of seasons (a season was 26 episodes in one year, like every show back then) It starred Nicholas Hammond as Peter Parker. (1977-1979)
i agree, this movie had too much going on 🤔 thank you for a GREAT reaction! 👍☺
HA HA!!!!! I loved your reaction to Tobey’s dance at 32:06 that was my same reaction when I saw this movie in theaters
It was a good watchable movie don't get me wrong I just get pissed when the studios create useless storytelling.
This was such a amazing trilogy. I liked the following Spiderman as well but this one will always be the Og. Parker (on Screen)
Watch Brave Heart is incredible movie is you have not already seen it.
For those who don't know this film was scored by Christopher Young. Young came on board after Raimi used his arrangement instead of Danny Elfman's in the Spider-Man 2 train sequence.
Elfman was very upset & it would be years until they would work together again due to it.
Elfman did not cover it up, the Spider-Man 2 original OST has Elfman's train sequence theme & not the used (in film version) Christopher Young arrangement heard in the movie
The maîitre d Peter asked to bring the ring in champagne was also the usher in the last movie (who wouldn't let him in cause he was late to her play).
...and the announcer at the wrestling ring in _Spider-man I_ as well.
30:00 Spiderman 3 is from 2007, wich means the're probably were filming during 2005/2006. At this time, the Emo look was high in fashion. Peter's make up look like Gerard Way from My Chamical Romance (wich released their iconic album The Black Parade at end of 2006) Other big bands like Panic!AtThe Disco and Green Day, that have similar hair and clothing aesthetic, had iconic albuns being released between Spiderman 2 and 3. The EMO moviment carried a lot of the experiences of young people who loved pop punk. That's why its abreviation to "emotional hardicore". So that angry/edgy atitude was associated to their aesthetic. Emos are people who talk about their emotions offen in a passionate and agressive way and it was actually considered disruptive at the time. I was like, 12 whem these band blown up, and was great. So, probably, Sam Raimi got a sense of this thing and borrowed the aesthetic to represent Bully Maguire (blacksuit spiderman/venon). Because he's really being a emo, weaponizing his pain and emotions because he feel the whole world turned back on him. Good stuff. IDK if you're into emo, but My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade and Green Day's American Idiot are masterpieces.
I want to like this movie but they screwed up venom so bad that I can’t :/
Peter hitting MJ wasn't on purpose and is kind of her own fault for jumping in in the middle of a fight. What else did she expect? He thought it was another person coming to fight him. While that isn't okay that he did hit her. It's not peters fault. When the black goo took over brock. He became venom.
"Hes not actually done anything bad." hes tried to kill 2 people huh
In regards to Venom, I recommend watching/reacting to the 90's Spiderman Animated Series if you want information on Spiderman lore. Its a great show, close to comic book accurate and actually inspired a lot of these movies.
If Raimi had wanted to do Venom (not blaming him for not wanting to) and didn't have it forced on him, with the introduction of John Jameson in 2, they had such a perfect setup to do the animated series version of Venom.
Swap some things around, like having Harry be the guy he's about to kill instead of Rhino, have Sandman be the one to try and loot the shuttle, the public turns on him after John dies in the shuttle crash cause he was such a beloved figure which is why he latches onto using the suit more, etc. (remove the whole "Flint was actually the one to kill Ben" plot line)
16:43 It Would Be Cool I Wish Marvel Could have thought about it too
As much as I absolutely hate spiders, Spider-Man is my favorite and I always wanted to be him as a kid. I rewatch all the movies on a regular basis (S3 and NWH are my favorites, I can’t wait to see what the next movie will be like.) Great reaction as always!
Because Venom (the goo) is a parasite, it absorbs from it's hosts. It carried the spider DNA in itself when it moved on to Brock.
19:40 - You: I forgot her name.
Me: Gwen Stacy. You'll want to remember that name for the next two Spider-Man movies. It'll matter.
14:40 let the police handle it she said..
Amazingly Bryce Dallas-Howard was unknowingly pregnant with her 1st child during filming & she did the majority of her own stunts in the crane sequence.
Years later she has said she looks back on it being miraculous that her unborn child was completely unaffected as she excitedly threw herself into the action
I think the becoming Sandman CGI sequence with Christopher Young's score is absolutely beautiful 🎶 🥰
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I'm glad you liked Spider-Man 3. From what I hear. It was originally supposed to be a very different movie. For example, the director Sam Raimi wanted different villains. He wanted to use the Vulture. Who we saw in Spider-Man Homecoming. And the Black Cat, whom we have yet to see in a live action movie. Apparently the studio forced the director to use Venom. It's funny that you were first on-board with emo Peter Parker 😅 I get what you mean though. At first we wasn't really doing anything bad and he wasn't letting anyone walk all over him like normal. I think it's an okay movie but definitely the weakest of the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy. Can't wait for you to continue on your Spidey journey 🕷🕸
30:22 wow no reaction to when harry’s face got blew up?? 🤨😒
31:49 right because attempted murder of Sandman and Harry doesn't count 😂 lol
next react the society of snow 😻😻😻
I remember, when this movie came out, I listened to the review of it from Colorado Public Radio's film critic, Howie Movshovitz. It has been a _very_ long time, so I don't remember the exact choice of words, but he described one of the villains Spider-Man went up against as this black goo that turns you into either a revenge-crazed madman or a terrible dancer.