ideally the whole river can be waded and fished freely. NY does this a bit right with it's Public Fishing Rights (PFR) sections of river. It's still private property but an angler can set foot in the river as normal as long as you enter from a public access point. Which they are usually accompanied by. If only the whole river could be open similarly, there wouldnt be a need to escape the crowded and limited public sections. A guide could also freely anchor. The fact that there are crowds shows there isnt enough public access to spread out the anglers. So it's a bit contradicting to say there's enough public access but then stress how important a guided boat is to escape them
The elephant in the room with this private/public steelhead access question is that in the PA and OH tribs, probably 98% of the fishery is dependent upon public funds used by state agencies to facilitate hatchery/stocking operations. Hence, the fish for all intents and purposes are public property or at least the property of the license-buying public. So, the question becomes: Should private individuals be allowed to control access to public fish ? I would say that no, they should not. It is an interesting question and perhaps ripe for exploration and resolution through the courts..
TNFF should take a stand and boycott all private water, and private lodges, instead of supporting the 1%. Film the reality of fishing, instead of the fantasy of pay-to-play for a grand a day.
I'm all for private property rights but OH and PA stock steelhead/rainbows raised with public money. So not allowing access to the fish that the public paid doesn't sit well with me. Maybe not allow people to trespass to access but allow access within the confines of the stream for fishing only seems to be the best approach. So you can access the river from public access but cannot leave the high water mark.
Instead of saying in “PA and Ohio” the land is owned under the water, you should specify that the land or stream-bed on the “great lakes tributaries” in Ohio and PA can be privately owned under the water because they are “not navigable waterways used for public commerce”. There is water in both states that is deemed navigable making it fishable to anyone who is under the high water mark.
Funny how a road running through someone’s property doesn’t have the same restrictions as a State owned waterway. My taxes pay for the maintenance of the road and my “taxes” pay for the stocked fish. Anything below the OHM should be accessible.
I live in Wyoming, where land owners own the riverbed. It is not that big of a problem here. About half of the state of Wyoming is public land in one form or another. There are plenty of places to fish. Yes there are places that can get crowded during the summer. So fish there in the off season. It isn’t difficult to find water to fish by yourself. Land owners have gotten a bad rap for keeping people off of their land. All you need to do is walk along a river and look at the litter left behind by hunters and fishermen, and you can see why. People in general are slobs and lazy. How many times do you see wrappers and spent shotgun shells along a river. We can be our own worst enemy. Yes shotgun shells are litter.
@@canadiangemstones7636 Technically they don’t own the river. They own the river bed. As long as you don’t touch the bottom you are fine. I don’t like it, I’ve learned to deal with it. There isn’t anything that is going to change it. If they would try to change it, they would be stripping away the rights of property owners.
the focus of this video was to logically discuss private/public question. Kurt provided his opinion on matter and we invite you and everyone else to comment. As one angler commented, the fish are stocked with the support/funding of the state.....therefore shouldn't they belong to everyone?! It is good to have this discussion now at time when public access on some rivers is changing
So you put on a good set of chest wadders, & walk 3ft off the shore line. Easy as That. And if a Karen or Kevin, starts screaming at you. Don't get into a frenzy, stand your ground. And call the police officers yourself, making sure that they can hear you calling the police. They will will BACK OFF because, they Know that they are WRONG.
I believe a much bigger question and what might be unpopular here are restrictions on fishing migrating and spawning fish. Let the fish do their thing. Fish well before and after fish have spawned. I live in the Washington DC area and the Shad and striper spawning runs are very popular, but the older I get the less appealing it becomes. For me, anyway.
ideally the whole river can be waded and fished freely. NY does this a bit right with it's Public Fishing Rights (PFR) sections of river. It's still private property but an angler can set foot in the river as normal as long as you enter from a public access point. Which they are usually accompanied by.
If only the whole river could be open similarly, there wouldnt be a need to escape the crowded and limited public sections. A guide could also freely anchor. The fact that there are crowds shows there isnt enough public access to spread out the anglers. So it's a bit contradicting to say there's enough public access but then stress how important a guided boat is to escape them
The elephant in the room with this private/public steelhead access question is that in the PA and OH tribs, probably 98% of the fishery is dependent upon public funds used by state agencies to facilitate hatchery/stocking operations. Hence, the fish for all intents and purposes are public property or at least the property of the license-buying public. So, the question becomes: Should private individuals be allowed to control access to public fish ? I would say that no, they should not. It is an interesting question and perhaps ripe for exploration and resolution through the courts..
very good point, thanks for your feedback
TNFF should take a stand and boycott all private water, and private lodges, instead of supporting the 1%. Film the reality of fishing, instead of the fantasy of pay-to-play for a grand a day.
I'm all for private property rights but OH and PA stock steelhead/rainbows raised with public money. So not allowing access to the fish that the public paid doesn't sit well with me. Maybe not allow people to trespass to access but allow access within the confines of the stream for fishing only seems to be the best approach. So you can access the river from public access but cannot leave the high water mark.
Glad I don’t live in a state that allows the streambed to be owned.
Instead of saying in “PA and Ohio” the land is owned under the water, you should specify that the land or stream-bed on the “great lakes tributaries” in Ohio and PA can be privately owned under the water because they are “not navigable waterways used for public commerce”. There is water in both states that is deemed navigable making it fishable to anyone who is under the high water mark.
Oh yessss, I forgot about the rich kid’s club.
Funny how a road running through someone’s property doesn’t have the same restrictions as a State owned waterway. My taxes pay for the maintenance of the road and my “taxes” pay for the stocked fish. Anything below the OHM should be accessible.
Pa laws can be a little more complex than that. Some waterways, not all but some, you can wade as long as you are below the high water line.
I always wondered if their survey shows their property line in the middle of the river. If not then why should it be theirs?
I live in Wyoming, where land owners own the riverbed. It is not that big of a problem here. About half of the state of Wyoming is public land in one form or another. There are plenty of places to fish. Yes there are places that can get crowded during the summer. So fish there in the off season. It isn’t difficult to find water to fish by yourself.
Land owners have gotten a bad rap for keeping people off of their land. All you need to do is walk along a river and look at the litter left behind by hunters and fishermen, and you can see why. People in general are slobs and lazy. How many times do you see wrappers and spent shotgun shells along a river. We can be our own worst enemy. Yes shotgun shells are litter.
Owning a river is un-American. Nobody in a _democracy_ should be so wealthy as to own a river, that is sick.
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Technically they don’t own the river. They own the river bed. As long as you don’t touch the bottom you are fine. I don’t like it, I’ve learned to deal with it. There isn’t anything that is going to change it. If they would try to change it, they would be stripping away the rights of property owners.
Paytoplay nonsense... yall lost a subcriber and weekly watcher pushing this private land b.s.
the focus of this video was to logically discuss private/public question. Kurt provided his opinion on matter and we invite you and everyone else to comment. As one angler commented, the fish are stocked with the support/funding of the state.....therefore shouldn't they belong to everyone?! It is good to have this discussion now at time when public access on some rivers is changing
So you put on a good set of chest wadders, & walk 3ft off the shore line. Easy as That. And if a Karen or Kevin, starts screaming at you. Don't get into a frenzy, stand your ground. And call the police officers yourself, making sure that they can hear you calling the police. They will will BACK OFF because, they Know that they are WRONG.
I believe a much bigger question and what might be unpopular here are restrictions on fishing migrating and spawning fish.
Let the fish do their thing. Fish well before and after fish have spawned.
I live in the Washington DC area and the Shad and striper spawning runs are very popular, but the older I get the less appealing it becomes. For me, anyway.
That’s dumb
That’s dumb and these fish don’t actually reproduce. The fishery is 100% based on stocking. Maybe do some research before posting hippie nonsense.
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