Michael Beschloss and Jeff Greenfield: If Kennedy Lived
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What would America have looked like if JFK hadn't been assassinated? That's the question Michael Beschloss tackled with Jeff Greenfield. As smart and thoughtful as they both are, the results were not just diverting, but illuminating. Together, they considered how the world would have been different if Kennedy had served a second term.
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Personally I think Arthur Schlesinger had it right when he recalled a conversation with the President about Vietnam where Mr. Kennedy said he knew Vietnam was a quagmire and we needed to get out but that he could not do anything until after the 1964 election otherwise we might be looking at a President Goldwater....
JFK told several people he was getting out of Vietnam.One of the saddest and most poignant of all is with Press Secratary Mac Kilduff 11-21-63 the day before the Assassination, and he tells Kilduff that "Vietnam is not worth one more American's life".
Schlesinger said that? Huh? JFK puts 15,000 military in Vietnam, knowing full well it was a quagmire? Why send *ANY* military personnel to Vietnam knowing it was a lost cause? Everyone knew the south lacked the resolve and the ARVN was a piss-poor army.
President Kennedy would have defeated Goldwater and two of my friends would not have died in Vietnam had he not been murdered.
We would’ve been lucky to have had a President Goldwater.
@completesentences2125 obviously you are a right wing fundamentalist Conservative Republican muppet
Ummm...how about this question: what if Joe Kennedy, Jr. hadn't died in that plane explosion in WWII?
Barely audible. Too much trouble trying to hear it.
LBJ kept Dean Rusk and Robert S. McNamara thru 1968. It's real hard to dump the vp. It happened only once in the 20th century in 1940. Eisenhower kept Nixon in 1956, Nixon kept Agnew in 1972 and Bush w/ Quayle in 1992.
Not true. McNamara left his position of Secretary of Defense on Nov. 29, 1967. McNamara resigned, although in reality LBJ fired him. McNamara was an unmitigated disaster
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It's not hard to dump the VP. A President can simply choose someone else for the ticket in the next election. Jefferson did that, I believe, when he dumped Aaron Burr.
Nixon kept Agnew because Agnew did what he was told, was stupid, and a cheap crook. He accepted money in brown envelopes, among other things. Nixon was reelected in 1972 with an overwhelming majority.
George HW Bush kept Quayle because Bush had a habit of nominating (e.g. Clarence Thomas) and surrounding himself with mediocrity.
Nixon barely escaped the axe with his Checkers speech, and like most other VP's, was a loyal soldier to Eisenhower.
Had JFK lived, he would have replaced LBJ who was under investigation for the sources of his immense wealth. Those investigations went away the moment JFK was assassinated.
Dean Rusk was Secretary of State and a loyal follower, a soldier to LBJ. He would not resign. He was a Southerner, like LBJ.
@@jamesanthony5681 it's hard to disagree with any of that. It's a well thought out observation that u rarely see on you tube. The day of the assassination JFK personally assured LBJ that hed be on the ticket. It depends on how much the Republicans wouldve used it against JFK, & Goldwater ran an awful campaign so he needed everything he could get. LBJ more likely wouldve resigned but I agree he probably isnt on the ticket in 1964
@@andrewhoyle1521 On the morning of the assassination, LBJ was being investigated for the sources of his money, his immense wealth, and either Time or Life magazine were about to publish an article called 'Lyndon's Money', or words to that effect. Johnson's political career was literally on the brink. With the death of JFK, all that went away. No article, no further investigation.
LBJ came to Washington in 1931 from the Texas Hill Country as an aide to Richard Kleberg, and he (LBJ) had maybe $5 in his pocket. When he left the Presidency in Jan-1969, Johnson had a conservative net worth of anywhere between $40-$100 million. The 4 books on Johnson by Robert Caro are a fascinating read. Or, at least I thought so.
@@jamesanthony5681 excellent choice. Passage of power is one of the best books I've ever read. I wanna say it was "life" magazine and that day in a NIXON interview he said he thinks the dems will drop Johnson because hes become an embarrassment. That partly is NIXON trying to get back into the ring. LBJ owned a certain type of broadcast network in AUSTIN. He clearly cared about people and yeah its immoral but he wasnt in office to serve his self interest.
@@andrewhoyle1521 Of course, Robert Kennedy hated LBJ, and Jack may have brought his brother on to the ticket, looking towards 1968.
Correct about LBJ caring about people, and Caro made the point in the 1st book (I believe) where Johnson tried to teach english to the Mexican janitor in the small school near the Mexican border at which he taught.
Doris Kearns Goodwin made the point that if Johnson had pulled out of Vietnam from the very beginning, he would have gone down as the greatest Pesident since Lincoln. I couldn't disagree.
It's hard to reconcile Johnson as he was as a 20 year old at Southwest Texas Teachers Community College, with the all-powerful, intimidating and domineering fugure he became as Senate Majority Leader and later as President.
The sound is so low it's inaudible at times.
Greenfield especially is speaking too quietly. But overall sound should be much better. I normally have my TV volume at 12. Had to turn things up to 70 for this program.
Sound was awful could hardly understand them turned it off.
Thanks, this was interesting.
Sound is low!!!!!!
here's one point that blows Greenfield out of the water . He says that Oswald was just like all other deranged Presidential assassins , that's a lie , all the other assassins bragged about what they did and were proud of it ..... Oswald denied it and said he was framed ! Greenfield knew this . What Oswald said is called ' prima fascia evidence of innocence , not guilt !
Love to hear how brilliantly JFK would have responded as compared to all those other inferior men...I think the bloom may have off the rose when stories of the woman and other unsavory details emerged
Inferior men? Was Bay of Pigs a good call? That botched, ill conceived, ludicrous plan, led to the Soviets placing missiles on the island and almost brought about the destruction of the world.
So turn it up.
they should make a movie based on Greenfield's book
Greenfield has an ego bigger than Moochelle's butt , one arrogant snot ! He's very bright and knows it ; if you took an alternate position from his , you would be looked at by him as a moron ..... he's your superior , believe it !
The body language between these two is interesting...
Gracias
If JFK had lived, we would be living in a different America.
Imagine an America that had No Vietnam war, no President Nixon, no Arab oil embargo with Bobby Kennedy as President.
No George W. Bush as President, no 9/11 terrorist attack, no Iraq War, no Afghanistan war & no Donald Trump as President.
America would be a completely different country, the lives of ordinary Americans would be light years better than it is today.
SAD.
It certainly is and people did not vote Gerald Ford of The Warren Commission travesties into the Oval Office also. LBJ should have went to prison for the Estes,Baker scandals, and Vietnam .All we;ve know since the sixties is getting screwed over and over on the Presidency. Dukakis was up about 17 points as I recall in the early summer on Bush Sr. then went into the tank and we had the disaster of The Bush Presidency. Instead of getting Perot when he was threatened apparently behind the scenes we got Bubba Clinton and NAFTA.The Supreme Court gave Dumya the win over Gore. That wasn't clear cut either,but we wouldn't have got The IRAQ War.
And all the presidents after JFK all resembled bulldogs with blinders on. All inspired fear because bulldogs are all muscle and no brains.. This was not the case with JFK who always who always inspired confidence and a sense of security.
You really would have wanted Perot over Clinton? Are you on crack?!
There's no way you can know all that. The most you can say is that we probably would have pulled out of the 'Nam. Everything else is pure speculation. I personally believe there's a historical inevitability to things, so it's a moot point anyway.
No as JFK said"things don't just happen..they are made to happen".
What? Kennedy would have replaced Johnson on the VP ticket in 1964 campaign with... Goldwater? Yeah, Ok Jeff! lol.
I read somewhere that JFK wanted then North Carolina Governor Terry Sanford for his V.P. in a second term. I don't know if that's actually true though.
He misspoke and was corrected by Beschloss. He meant opponent.
@@NkrumahTure True. That comes from Kennedy's Secretary Evelyn Lincoln.Interesting , it came out a few years back that immediately upon hearing of the Assassination she thought LBJ was behind it. Where the hell was the press? The Estes,Baker, and TFX Scandalswere getting heavy in Washington and all is forgotten soon afterward. Collective Amnesia.
@@vernpascal1531 Yeah. I imagine (because I wasn't there) that some citizens saw the government as this larger than life semi mysterious entity that could get you if ever you said something unpopular, despite the fact of the freedom of speech, and the thought of that may have frightened certain individuals to never speak publicly about personal experiences, not knowing what could happen to them, or not. But at a time of heightened cold war how could you be sure? They weren't too far removed from the McCarthy witchunts. At least the notion of that probably helped LBJ (obviously,along with other things) with a mass cover up of the facts and get away with the assassination. Mrs Lincoln's instincts were correct.
At least that's the way I see it, but I am making conjecture here.
@@NkrumahTure Yes.. when you are never looked at as a legitimate suspect by the press and yer buddy Hoover covers everything up, you can get away with anything.
15:24
How could he really think Oswald killed JFK on his own? He obviously doesn’t want to have people distracted from his book?
Because there is zero evidence that anybody but LHO was involved.
@@michalbarcik There is a mountain of evidence if you read and are curious. A good new book with a lot of new and scary info( though very hard on JFK), is Lone Star Speaks..read that and tell me with a straight face Oswald Acted Alone!
@@vernpascal1531 I've read almost all conspiracy books, begining with Thomas Buchanan. Zero hard evidence. Only speculation.
Dozens hard evidence pointing out toward LHO.
Oswald did it alone
@@michalbarcik Everywhere you look in the JFK Case screams conspiracy! If anyone has any doubts read In The Eye Of History By William Law. He interviewed 8 partcipants, 7 are now dead. Six believed in conspiracy,,including the X-Ray Tech Custer,both Autopsy Assistants, Jenkins and O'Conner, The Officer Of The Day David etc.Now why the hell would they believe in a conspiracy if this was a simple case? several no doubt? because what they saw and did is the Antipodean of the official BS!
@@vernpascal1531 Any evidence?
23:30 yeah… i didn’t have much respect for dude throughout this interview given how speculative his “academia” is, but uh wow
he misspoke, endless bloviating will result in such mistakes
After JFK it all went to merde.
The country would be a lot different than it is had JFK lived. Vietnam wouldn't have happened, and then maybe not the hippie protest movement, either.
Personally, I feel that, if JFK AND RFK respectfully would have lived, we us disabled people (I was born with Cerebral Palsy and am on crutches) would have had the Americans with Disabilities Act law a lot sooner than we did because they would have have come up with it in honor of their sister, Rosemary.
WHAT.?????? WHY.?????
why bring up Kennedy's private life? how is that any more relevant than MLK's private life?
Honestly, i really don't believe that he womenized that much. He had been in pain so much his whole life... It's a peculiar life.
It may have been more relevant at the time; probably less so now
When you're President of the United States you have no private life. You live in a fish bowl. Kennedy's womanizing was just plain reckless. He had affairs with organized crime molls like Judith Exener, a German spy Ellen Rometsch, and movie star Marilyn Monroe. All of these affairs made him vulnerable to political blackmail both by foreign and domestic enemies.
He was a despicable husband, he was on a medication that significantly increased his libido. He was a good hearted man but he was an unfaithful husband like much of Washington was.
@@andrewhoyle1521 and yet, Jackie still loved JFK very deeply. She knew about his affairs, and he even stopped during the last year off his life. They were often seen holding hands together in public. They were a real power couple. Jackie still opted to be buried alongside him at Arlington. MLK was a hypocrite preacher screwing women up and down the east coast everywhere he went and yet the man is thought of as a saint, which he was not.
the minute I heard , ' Oswald was the lone assassin ! I knew this airing was a waste of time . What closed minds they are not to have followed the credible researchers that show thousands of facts that prove Oswald was no way involved ......
LBJ had something to do with the murder of JFK. Talk about a smoking gun?
There is a video somewhere on TH-cam with Richard Nixon outing LBJ and saying sarcastically that he wanted to be president too but not enough to kill for it.
Total BS. LBJ killed JFK and told the Warren Commission to pin it on Ozzy so that he could pass the most progressive legislation in history, implement Apollo, and keep all JFK's advisors? Of all the dumb conspiracy theories I've heard that is the dumbest! Would we have pulled out of the 'Nam had JFK lives? Probably. LBJ was dragged into war by McNamara (JFK's top advisor). He didn't want it, but he was stuck with it.
@@ADAMSIXTIES LBJ was going to prison, do you think him and his backers were going to allow RFK to destroy them financially, politically, and legally? You are more than naive if you can swallow that...
@@vernpascal1531 LBJ *would not* have gone to prison had Kennedy not been assassinated. Johnson would have cut a deal and gone back to his ranch in Texas. When Johnson became VP, he lost a great deal of the power that he had when he was Senate Majority Leader. As VP, he may have had the ear of Hoover and some of his friends like Richard Russell of Georgia, but the Kennedy brothers marginalized him. That all changed on Nov. 22/63.
Too much speculation, not sure I can Buy this hypothical point of view
' Oswald was the lone assassin ! this statement proves their both part of the swamp .....
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13:30
I don’t buy his notion that him being cautious with the Cuba in 62 that he would have been equally cautious with Vietnam after a potential re-election in 64. Cuba was 90 miles away with the weapons pointed straight at the country so it was wise to be cautious rather than with Vietnam being a half a world away and not a direct threat. In the end JFK was an anti communist and he would have been drawn in as much as Johnson
Read JFK And The Unspeakable. JFK's policies were the exact opposite of LBJ's.
You are COMPLETELY WRONG ‼️ COMPLETELY ‼️ Johnson was a dummy & a "wronged' southern politician, harboring a futile attitude of: "I'll show y'all!" & Bullheadedly charged forward, listening to the ignorant Generals instead of his heart, which was also MIA! I LIVED THRU THAT BS!! LBJ should NEVER have stayed in Vietnam but Johnson was nervous about CIA. He knew it was CIA who ordered the "wet" hit on JFK ~ LANCER ‼️🤬 You see, the Truman presidency had known about ETs since WWII, when such things as "Foo Fighters" actually helped our airmen! President Kennedy insisted to the CIA that we bring the Russians onboard with everything we knew about ETs, up to that point! President Truman, the ORIGINATOR of the CIA, was interviewed at the President's funeral & he said, "It's too bad that it had to happen that way! He was such a nice young man!" Truman had slipped up & when the startled reporter asked what he meant by that, Truman runs off! The CIA memo actually called for the "wet" elimination of Lancer! You can see Truman for yourself. It's on TH-cam.
yeah this whole thing is a joke, dude in the glasses is an out of touch pseudo intellectual. sucks that such an interesting topic has this guy as it’s most prominent voice
Joke
JFK would lose in 1964.
He died in 1963.
If he had lived, the only way I believe JFK would have lost ONLY were under 2 circumstances - if there were another crisis event in Berlin or Cuba - OR if his womanizing were made public. The latter is my main crux of counter-debate to any assassination conspiracy. It would have been FAR easier for his enemies to get rid of him by leaking this information during the election. Clinton has almost impeached in the late '90's. In the '60's for JFK, impeachment would have been a certainty. That being said, if none of that had happened, Kennedy would have beaten Goldwater.
You have zero imagination. I'm gonna mail 500 copies of Stephen King's book to your address. x)
Michael Barnhart I totally agree. He would have beaten Goldwater. Also, why engage in a big conspiracy that involves assassination? Both the FBI and the CIA had information on his womanizing, that also included with him sleeping with a communist spy. He probably didn’t share any information. His paramours said sex with JFK was very quick and very impersonal. But nonetheless, can you imagine a Cold War era public supporting a president who had sex with a communist outside his marriage?
The big flaw in your argument is the evidence shows conspiracy and cover up over and over.