0:50 - Funnily enough, Maximillian did play Idol Showdown for a bit on stream, even doing a Rate the Super for each of the characters and assists (with top marks going to Botan and Risu) He called it the "SNES Sailor Moon fighting game of our generation".
@@Gloomdrakethere's a fan translation clip channel of Korone's stream that I watched her sf6 tourney journey. Never really watched her before but those vids... Damn, I want her to get better at it and roll anyone against her now. Won't be surprised if she actually put in the hours to go pro(or at least semi pro) after that
Most videos I've seen about this game said that it's fun and namedropped some trivia they've read about in order to give a little bit of context. But this is the only video I've seen with this amount of love and passion about everything and everyone in the roster. While style select is great and i'd love to see a new episode about that, I kinda missed you just gushing about stuff you like. Great video, ABI!
On the "seiso" part, while Coco contributed greatly into the "non-seisoness" of Hololive, Matsuri was more or less the first one to remove the "seiso" image of HL, as someone who leans into a pervy behavior in contrast to others, which apparently caused early managers to not be fond of her until 2nd Gen. There was something that they call the "Matsuri Line", which is basically a benchmark on how "unseiso" a member is. According to Matsuri, the only one to surpass said line was Coco.
You guys seem to ignore that before kaichou, there was a senchou. Also, Fubuki and Matsuri were the first, and for a long time, the only talents to collab with Holostars, breaking another rule of seiso: The contact with males.
It just hit me that V-tubers are to TH-camrs what Pro-Wrestlers are to martial artists: actors behind a fictional persona with wacky designs, lore, and personalities who are promoted (and sometimes managed and manufactured) by a media company for the purpose of real-time, long-term entertainment. This makes Hololive akin to WWE. I refuse to elaborate further.
Coco getting in really was a happy surprise. She's the one that got me into the whole thing; and honestly has probably one of the most unhinged and hilarious personality.
I never got into hololive. I'm still not into it now, but I'm still very happy to see how many people were excited by this game. If hololive can create a bridge to bring more people into fighting games, then I'm happy.
Its kinda nice and refreshing seeing someone from the fgc that is genuinely enjoying everything about this game, and not just going "bro ngl vtubers are kinda cringe but the game is fun I guess and its hella famous so might as well play it for the numbers" which is palpable with like every other fgc influencers out there.
i know you wanted to keep this video company and casual freindly, but i think it would be better to mention the effect coco had not only on hololive but also the rest of the industry, the harassment coco had to endure before the graduation (even if it's not necescrily the only reason for it), and the fact that she is still in the business and achieving her dream of being with kiryu kazuma. love all your videos, it's so rare to find fgc content that treats fighting game mechanics not only as refences or competetive depth but art that deserves to be analysed
I knew literally nothing about Hololive (except that they're Vtubers) going into Idol Showdown and I was prepared to be like "yep it's a kusoge alright" but I was presently surprised! I went from hesitating and just waiting until locals to touch the game to almost exclusively wanting to play it for a couple weeks! I never bothered with the in-game tutorial so I had a lot of fun discovering the game's mechanics and learning how to utilize them and found a couple different teams I like playing with. I even found one of my gameplans nerfed because it was too good (it really was, I deserved the nerf). Idol Showdown and TMNT x Justice League Turbo are amazing fan-made fighting games and both deserve to be played, whether you like the source material or not!
Hololive was supposed to be a virtual Japanese idol group created by the guy we call Yagoo. His dream was to have a idol group and he managed to find great talents but... They all destroyed his dream and drove the idol concept into the mud due to their antics, memes, being crazy, etc. Closest to a idol that hololive still has is Sora but even she has terrifying moments.
@@raimyonlinewarrior236 "So, you're the enemy" is iconic phrase with her for a reason, nobody in HL is willing to oppose her with sheer pressure alone. Also some horror episode in Hologra and Hololive Error made her even more scary to me. XD
What I like the most about Idol Showdown's recent success is that even FGC vets who have little to no knowledge or interest in hololive or vtubers have tried it and said that it's a very well made fighting game. It just goes to show how a good game can draw people in no matter what the subject material is.
Coco is the only one I ever watched and enjoyed a lot, too bad she had to retire, she is just a gem of a person, shouldn't be surprised if her influence also allowed other companies to have bilingual vtubers in other languages, such as the recently graduated/retired Hizuki Miu, who spoke Japanese and Spanish alongside other girls. PD: Grande Miu, nunca olvidaré el como canto Lamento Boliviano, le salió re hermoso.
@@krowkuervo2267 I know, there is no need to make more Cocos, is just that expanding viewership to the international level is something that Coco started and may have inspired others to try the same.
I hardly keep up with Hololive or Vtubers, but as a more general idol fan and fan of the channel I enjoyed the video. I didn't know anything Kiryu Coco's importance. The talk about someone with a very loud personality pulling people together and pushing her company forward reminded me of Hello Project's Tsugunaga "Momochi" Momoko (...and tying this back to Hololive both Pekora and Aqua have talked about Momochi being an influence on them as idols)
As another resident of the crosssection of fandoms between both fighting games and vtubers, the level of respect for Hololive in this video is moving. Thanks for making this video.
Don't underestimate the number of Hololive fans also into fighting games. The opposite isn't as true, though. This is the perfect blend of Hololive references and fighting game references. The easy inputs but with traditional commands that give a bonus is right out of GBVS. The Super Chat cancels are HD cancels from KoF13. If Ayame had a double jump and air dash, she'd basically be a Melty character. Haven't seen a fighting game reference crossover this good since Kemono Friends Fight.
The fact that Ayame is that close to being from Melty Blood is kinda funny when you take into account that Suisei is the one with a Melty Blood-themed alternate colour scheme (referencing Sion Eltnam Atlasia).
On top of the stuff you said, look at the game from a more gameplay-focused perspective, the devs often listen to the community and several balance patches were released to adress several balance issues because at launch the game as the definition of the "modern era kusoge". Right now, just a few months after its release, the game is way more balanced than before and I can say for sure I recommend it.
At this point I think Hololive is becoming a memetic virus, that's consuming and combining with medía until talking about wathever you like and not talking about Hololive is going to be the a nigh impossible challenge.
Damn good video. Idol Showdown was the spark that pulled me back to playing fighting games after a 15+ year hiatus. It's crazy to see how the genre has evolved since living in a bubble for so long. I never predicted my love of Hololive would be the bait that hooked me back in. I like your character predictions too, though I think Moona will be the 2nd/3rd bonus character. All the fighters can't collab with themselves, nor can they interact with their virtual tour events/shops of themselves. And, like you pointed out, the fighting characters have song remixes on the stage. Pekora meets all those "requirements," and while Haachama does too, I think it's really weird that ID has so much presence in the game but Moona has a stage song remix and is almost nowhere else to be seen. Same reason I also think Cali will be a main cast character.
I'm just waiting for Calli to get released. Not only is she my favorite, but she seems like a character who would have huge high-damage normals and that's my preferred playstyle in fighting games
as a long time fan of hololive productions, thank you so much for making a comprehensive video like this. i was hoping someone would break everything down for people who are new to the game but curious about the actual hololive girls/holostars boys and references behind it all. thanks!
First time I ever managed to catch a premiere and watch it all the way through, but anyways - Goooood shit, dude. Always love seeing someone talk so passionately about a topic. And goddamn if Pekora is a damn trap character, I can only hear her laughter as she blows up people. Maybe it'll be like a Dan Hibiki situation, has the tech but is a bumbling fool with her tools (in her animations). May the legacy of the Legendary Dragon of Hololive live on. And it will, thanks to this game.
For anyone curious, Coco is technically still around, but under a new identity (that she owns) with a different, US-based idol agency. She's also still doing the things she's known for and still pushing the boundaries, including being one of the first big vtubers to "break" kayfabe and basically show her real face, which indirectly leads to her upcoming appearance in a couple of upcoming games from her favorite franchise in the future.
I really didn’t know even knew this game existed, I woukd troll my friends about this insanity. The look They give me would be amazing. Glad to see you talk about it.
I got into Hololive a few months ago, and Idol Showdown was revealed not long after that. I studied enough to get a fair amount of in-jorks from the game and I’m starting to revel in it. If there’s one suggestion I’d make, is that if extra “colors” were to be added, let the fans of the game make them too (and possibly add a couple of alt colors for the collabs too) …and maybe add air chains too, but that’s just me.
Despite having watched some footage of Kizuna Ai, I feel like I've been introduced (or reintroduced) to Vtubers by Koefficient, who was primarily a Blazblue and fighting game content creator until he publicly dove into the rabbit hole. I think Koefficient is one of the main reasons this game even has a player base. He is one of if not THE first content creator to bridge fighting games with Vtubers. If anything, this game was made specifically for him, as it's centered around VTubers (most of which are among his personal favorites) and has mechanics that are very similar to Blazblue. The game features a lot of Vtuber references, but you've glanced over how the game also has a lot of fighting game references. The most obvious ones are references to the Marvel Vs. Capcom series. X-potato is a reference to a Wolverine's Weapon X. Botan's Get To Da Choppa is a reference to Jin Saotome's Blodia Vulcan. And lastly, every single character's Cosplay 6 color pallet is a reference to an existing fighting game character.
So, for those who want to know a little bit more about the idol culture I strongly recommend watching or reading Oshi no Ko. Not only is one of the best manga/anime I've read/watch, but also it strongly critiques the idol industry.
I hope if Idol Showdown permits it, they add for example Vshojo members since all of them have fighting capabilities Imagine Kson vs Coco or Nazuna vs Rushia
Also a few reads of characters I know about and how they relate to their personality Suisei: Suisei being a really appresing force when she gets to hit one good hit is really in character not only because of her murderous abilities in AMOGUS! And the winter game, but also how she doesn't seem to be that good in many games or abilities but when she's good she Comes on top of any social deduction game, is one of the best dancers in Hololive, beting for someone else in a Mario Kart tournament is betting for an underdog and she has beaten N°1 Tetris 99 player in the world and she will not hesitate to show her complete dominance when she has it. Korone: her close-quarters shoto for me it's brilliant because on one hand she does have the dog personality he already talked about but she also has said how she does boxing for a passtime wich may translate at prefering shorter ranges but also what he didn't mention is how she's mostly a retro streamer, and since most of the mechanics we associatte to gimmick fighter wouldn't come a lot of time after the retro games she focuses arround, it makes sense that she of all her companions would choose to play arround shoto basics instead of focusing on gimmicks like Gacha, summons, weird dashes or something like that. If someone wants to add to this feel free since I don't know much from the other half of the roaster and I'm really impressed of how much work went into translating and mashing the personality and lore of the talents into practical fighting game characters.
Coco's cartwheel command grab is perfectly delayed to catch people who are blocking too much. If you catch'm sleeping, hit'em with the GOOD MORNING MOTHER F******
First Koko / Kson is a bless and i hope her VA carer explodes aswell, second including sana aswell was a nice touch. On another hand i started watching your content years ago when you still made league content and while i understand that you prob don't want those vids to be on your channel, they're pretty much part of my greatest memories when i started the game and had alot of fun with my friends. Is there any chance you can upload them somewhere again ? Keep up the great work mate.
Having brought up the very toxic communities around idols, I want to recommend Oshi no ko to anyone reading this comment. I've been watching it, and I just want to say that it covers some very serious topics about what idols, and even actors, have to go through. Other than that I can't really say much about exactly what it's about, as even beginning to talk about that brings up spoilers for the 1 1/2 hour episode one, but I can at least say that it is easily one of the best anime that I have seen. Also, I should mention that I'm watching the dub, so i'm only at episode 6, but I have at least had a friend tell me that it continues to be phenominal.
as someone who loves fighting games, hololive, used to be obsessed with martial arts, studies animation at university and loves tabletop roleplaying games and gacha games... yes
Sadly, he's already done a video during the last one saying he was quitting the franchise. He could always change his mind, but his tone during it suggested otherwise.
There’s gonna be an upcoming fighting game made by Hyun’s Dojo (Studio Bidou specifically) called Stickfigurez. A platform fighter featuring popular stickfigures characters, such as ones from the Rock Hard Gladiators series and seemingly other popular stickfigure medias. (Ex. Henry Stickmin, Johnny Rocket Fingers, etc) (Note I’m only stating examples of Stickfigure Media, only 4 characters so far have been revealed and they are all from the RHG/Dojo Duels series.) I saw in your Hustle video that you wanted to review some stickfigure fighting games like Knockout (Fatal Arts: Reloaded is also a thing) and I wanted to share about this game aswell.
SugarPunch being a Hololive fan is a very surprising thing but a welcome one! 💙💙💙💙💙 Edit: it should be noted that Hololive already had a growing English speaking fanbase before Coco, mostly thanks to Clippers and the only Hololive member at the time with a decent grasp of English: Akai Haato, hence why Kiryu Coco and Haachama were always called Hololive EN Generation 0
Using Idolm@ster footage instead of idol footage. I approve. I do wish we had a western release of the Idolm@ster games. I would have loved to play the Takane Shijou route.
I had next to no knowledge of Hololive prior to watching this video, and to be honest, I still don't quite understand it even after watching. BUT I can tell a lot of passion went into this video, and it was enjoyable all the way through, so...liked!
Hey, not sure, but something might have happened with the audio. Getting this weird static in your voice, might need to check the mic settings. Otherwise, great video!
Great video. I agree that Coco was incredibly influential deserves a lot of credit and I love that she is in the game, but I think a lot of the talents challenged idol culture. For instance, Matsuri and Marine have always shown a lot of "culture," Haachama made very unhinged content and Korone's yubi obsession is a reference to yakuza "finger shortening." Korone also used to host "facts of society's dark side, where she would explain dark criminal behavior as if she was explaining it to children. I heard Haachama had something to do with the creation of HoloEn. Also, a few other talents had the superpower "English" before HoloEn, the most fluent before Coco was Haachama. Subaru and Korone had "effort English" by forcing themselves to communicate more with their English fans and becoming better over time.
I didn’t know that sugarpunch liked TTRPGs. He seems like the kind of guy who only plays 5e, and maybe tried Pathfinder afters the whole OGL thing, and buys art commissions of his character.
I love that even knowing literally nothing about Hololive I still maintained my age-old tradition of maining boss characters w/ Coco, lol. I didn't stuck around for long sadly, SF6 released soon after and the playerbase for Idol Showdown was waaaay more casual than me. People were complaining in forums how underpowered Coco was even though she was a grappler with some of the best normals in the game and _the only character to have a fucking airdash in the game_ . *_A grappler_* . After the 100th time my safe jump setups worked I felt like I couldn't really grow playing this game, I was just bullying vtuber fans. PS: I think my interests match with yours only on animation, FGC and Martial arts history, but honestly I like the flow of your video essays that I'd still watch even those whose subjects isn't something I'd normally go for.
As someone who's only knowledge of Hololive is Korone, Idol Showdown, Holocure and now this video makes me want to know more about the Hololive universe
Is this channel even active.....fighting games renaissance is HAPPENING....you have not done videos on STREET FIGHTER 6......TEKKEN 8......or even the usual rant on MORTAL KOMBAT....what is going on?
Great video as usual, but something's wrong with your mic. At several points the audio became scratchy in a way that was greatly uncomfortable somehow (felt like it vibrated my adam's apple or something lol)
it was actually cocos ark streams that got me into the hololive rabbit hole, i was playing that game at the time and saw some clips of those streams and checked them out, the fact that she spoke some english in those streams had me more interested in checking out hololive as a whole, if not for her i don't know if i would have gotten into hololive or not
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0:50 - Funnily enough, Maximillian did play Idol Showdown for a bit on stream, even doing a Rate the Super for each of the characters and assists (with top marks going to Botan and Risu)
He called it the "SNES Sailor Moon fighting game of our generation".
And Sailor Moon was good(?)
Korone and Botan's foray into the FGC by joining a SF6 tourney was just last week, too, that was a really fun time
How'd it go?
@@GloomdrakeSF6 became the most watch game on Twitch that day the vids currently has around near a million views
So great
@@Gloomdrakethere's a fan translation clip channel of Korone's stream that I watched her sf6 tourney journey. Never really watched her before but those vids... Damn, I want her to get better at it and roll anyone against her now. Won't be surprised if she actually put in the hours to go pro(or at least semi pro) after that
I hope Mori Calliope gets added to the roster!
Most videos I've seen about this game said that it's fun and namedropped some trivia they've read about in order to give a little bit of context.
But this is the only video I've seen with this amount of love and passion about everything and everyone in the roster. While style select is great and i'd love to see a new episode about that, I kinda missed you just gushing about stuff you like. Great video, ABI!
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On the "seiso" part, while Coco contributed greatly into the "non-seisoness" of Hololive, Matsuri was more or less the first one to remove the "seiso" image of HL, as someone who leans into a pervy behavior in contrast to others, which apparently caused early managers to not be fond of her until 2nd Gen. There was something that they call the "Matsuri Line", which is basically a benchmark on how "unseiso" a member is. According to Matsuri, the only one to surpass said line was Coco.
Matsuri being the "seiso representative" of Hololive will forever be funny to me.
matsuri beer. XD
Kiryu breaking limits, eh? Not the first time I've seen that happen!
You guys seem to ignore that before kaichou, there was a senchou. Also, Fubuki and Matsuri were the first, and for a long time, the only talents to collab with Holostars, breaking another rule of seiso: The contact with males.
It just hit me that V-tubers are to TH-camrs what Pro-Wrestlers are to martial artists: actors behind a fictional persona with wacky designs, lore, and personalities who are promoted (and sometimes managed and manufactured) by a media company for the purpose of real-time, long-term entertainment. This makes Hololive akin to WWE. I refuse to elaborate further.
this is made even funnier with how many of them enjoy messing around in the WWE games (if only to mess around with character creators)
Hilariously you're not the first to propose this notion
Gigguk said this as well
@@yof2210 I think his words were something like "Wrestling is just VTubing in real life."
@@TakumiJoyconBoyz
No it’s
“Vtubing is like wrestling, but with waifus”
You do not need futher, V-Tubers are the theathrycal representation of a individual's avatar/idealized persona.
SugarPunch truly is composed of people of culture.
I hope Mori Calliope gets added to the roster!
@@fernandozavaletabustos205I’m so excited to play it if she does, gura needs to be added as an assist too if she isn’t already
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The "slay the spire" single player mode was surprisingly extensive... And challenging...
u cool
Yooo your videos taught me how to play plus r!
Bro I love you thanks for creating guilty bits
Coco getting in really was a happy surprise. She's the one that got me into the whole thing; and honestly has probably one of the most unhinged and hilarious personality.
Kaichou is a legend, it's very hard for fans to not try to include her.
I hope Mori Calliope gets added to the roster!
Alternative title: Idol Showdown is an excuse for me to talk about Coco.
And I like it
I never got into hololive. I'm still not into it now, but I'm still very happy to see how many people were excited by this game. If hololive can create a bridge to bring more people into fighting games, then I'm happy.
Yeeeaa, FIGHTING GAEMS BBYYY! That's what it's all about, WOOO!
as a hololive and sugerpunch fan this video was extremely enjoyable
Its kinda nice and refreshing seeing someone from the fgc that is genuinely enjoying everything about this game, and not just going "bro ngl vtubers are kinda cringe but the game is fun I guess and its hella famous so might as well play it for the numbers" which is palpable with like every other fgc influencers out there.
i know you wanted to keep this video company and casual freindly, but i think it would be better to mention the effect coco had not only on hololive but also the rest of the industry, the harassment coco had to endure before the graduation (even if it's not necescrily the only reason for it), and the fact that she is still in the business and achieving her dream of being with kiryu kazuma. love all your videos, it's so rare to find fgc content that treats fighting game mechanics not only as refences or competetive depth but art that deserves to be analysed
To be fair, talking about a VTuber's other identities is generally frowned uponed in VTuber community. They have a right to their privacy, after all.
I knew literally nothing about Hololive (except that they're Vtubers) going into Idol Showdown and I was prepared to be like "yep it's a kusoge alright" but I was presently surprised! I went from hesitating and just waiting until locals to touch the game to almost exclusively wanting to play it for a couple weeks! I never bothered with the in-game tutorial so I had a lot of fun discovering the game's mechanics and learning how to utilize them and found a couple different teams I like playing with. I even found one of my gameplans nerfed because it was too good (it really was, I deserved the nerf).
Idol Showdown and TMNT x Justice League Turbo are amazing fan-made fighting games and both deserve to be played, whether you like the source material or not!
Hololive was supposed to be a virtual Japanese idol group created by the guy we call Yagoo.
His dream was to have a idol group and he managed to find great talents but...
They all destroyed his dream and drove the idol concept into the mud due to their antics, memes, being crazy, etc.
Closest to a idol that hololive still has is Sora but even she has terrifying moments.
@@raimyonlinewarrior236 "So, you're the enemy" is iconic phrase with her for a reason, nobody in HL is willing to oppose her with sheer pressure alone. Also some horror episode in Hologra and Hololive Error made her even more scary to me. XD
Man just wanted to make a Hololive history lesson.
This is an Coco love letter disguised as a game review and i don't mind-
What I like the most about Idol Showdown's recent success is that even FGC vets who have little to no knowledge or interest in hololive or vtubers have tried it and said that it's a very well made fighting game. It just goes to show how a good game can draw people in no matter what the subject material is.
Coco is the only one I ever watched and enjoyed a lot, too bad she had to retire, she is just a gem of a person, shouldn't be surprised if her influence also allowed other companies to have bilingual vtubers in other languages, such as the recently graduated/retired Hizuki Miu, who spoke Japanese and Spanish alongside other girls.
PD: Grande Miu, nunca olvidaré el como canto Lamento Boliviano, le salió re hermoso.
Shes still around, rebranded and goes by Kson
Its not the same everything listed in this video that make her unique dont work anymore because there is no limit to broke
@@krowkuervo2267 I know, there is no need to make more Cocos, is just that expanding viewership to the international level is something that Coco started and may have inspired others to try the same.
Ella regresó hace poco ahora como indie con su mismo canal de siempre
I hardly keep up with Hololive or Vtubers, but as a more general idol fan and fan of the channel I enjoyed the video.
I didn't know anything Kiryu Coco's importance. The talk about someone with a very loud personality pulling people together and pushing her company forward reminded me of Hello Project's Tsugunaga "Momochi" Momoko (...and tying this back to Hololive both Pekora and Aqua have talked about Momochi being an influence on them as idols)
As another resident of the crosssection of fandoms between both fighting games and vtubers, the level of respect for Hololive in this video is moving. Thanks for making this video.
This game is a piece of art and love indeed.
Don't underestimate the number of Hololive fans also into fighting games. The opposite isn't as true, though. This is the perfect blend of Hololive references and fighting game references. The easy inputs but with traditional commands that give a bonus is right out of GBVS. The Super Chat cancels are HD cancels from KoF13. If Ayame had a double jump and air dash, she'd basically be a Melty character. Haven't seen a fighting game reference crossover this good since Kemono Friends Fight.
The fact that Ayame is that close to being from Melty Blood is kinda funny when you take into account that Suisei is the one with a Melty Blood-themed alternate colour scheme (referencing Sion Eltnam Atlasia).
On top of the stuff you said, look at the game from a more gameplay-focused perspective, the devs often listen to the community and several balance patches were released to adress several balance issues because at launch the game as the definition of the "modern era kusoge". Right now, just a few months after its release, the game is way more balanced than before and I can say for sure I recommend it.
To be fair, Botan existed, so yeah, it wasn't the best balance-wise
She still exists, but is somehow balanced
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 Aki was even more broken until the latest patch IIRC.
At this point I think Hololive is becoming a memetic virus, that's consuming and combining with medía until talking about wathever you like and not talking about Hololive is going to be the a nigh impossible challenge.
Damn good video. Idol Showdown was the spark that pulled me back to playing fighting games after a 15+ year hiatus. It's crazy to see how the genre has evolved since living in a bubble for so long. I never predicted my love of Hololive would be the bait that hooked me back in.
I like your character predictions too, though I think Moona will be the 2nd/3rd bonus character. All the fighters can't collab with themselves, nor can they interact with their virtual tour events/shops of themselves. And, like you pointed out, the fighting characters have song remixes on the stage. Pekora meets all those "requirements," and while Haachama does too, I think it's really weird that ID has so much presence in the game but Moona has a stage song remix and is almost nowhere else to be seen. Same reason I also think Cali will be a main cast character.
Love how the video went from hololive history piece to fighting game discussion to unbridled Coco praise
I'm just waiting for Calli to get released. Not only is she my favorite, but she seems like a character who would have huge high-damage normals and that's my preferred playstyle in fighting games
as a long time fan of hololive productions, thank you so much for making a comprehensive video like this. i was hoping someone would break everything down for people who are new to the game but curious about the actual hololive girls/holostars boys and references behind it all. thanks!
SugarPunch is the best I cant believe you guys straight up just did a Hololive video
There are issues with the sound in the video like it crackles and stuff.
Oh, you hear it too? I thought it was my speakers.
Oh thank gods it's others too. Had to watch other vids to make sure it wasn't on me
First time I ever managed to catch a premiere and watch it all the way through, but anyways -
Goooood shit, dude. Always love seeing someone talk so passionately about a topic. And goddamn if Pekora is a damn trap character, I can only hear her laughter as she blows up people. Maybe it'll be like a Dan Hibiki situation, has the tech but is a bumbling fool with her tools (in her animations).
May the legacy of the Legendary Dragon of Hololive live on. And it will, thanks to this game.
For anyone curious, Coco is technically still around, but under a new identity (that she owns) with a different, US-based idol agency. She's also still doing the things she's known for and still pushing the boundaries, including being one of the first big vtubers to "break" kayfabe and basically show her real face, which indirectly leads to her upcoming appearance in a couple of upcoming games from her favorite franchise in the future.
I'd honestly like to see Kronii as a mix of Ky and Geras
I wanna see Bae as the "I throw random chaos to the field" character
And Mori Calliope being a mix of Testament and Bedman.
@@Dracobytepersonally, I was thinking more along the lines of Gordeau
I really didn’t know even knew this game existed, I woukd troll my friends about this insanity. The look They give me would be amazing. Glad to see you talk about it.
I got into Hololive a few months ago, and Idol Showdown was revealed not long after that.
I studied enough to get a fair amount of in-jorks from the game and I’m starting to revel in it.
If there’s one suggestion I’d make, is that if extra “colors” were to be added, let the fans of the game make them too (and possibly add a couple of alt colors for the collabs too)
…and maybe add air chains too, but that’s just me.
I hope Mori Calliope gets added to the roster!
This feels EXACTLY like a SuperEyepatchWolf wrestling video
You got it, booting up your Twitch right now for the ooo and the woos
9:02 Mel is Hololive Gen 1 btw
Despite having watched some footage of Kizuna Ai, I feel like I've been introduced (or reintroduced) to Vtubers by Koefficient, who was primarily a Blazblue and fighting game content creator until he publicly dove into the rabbit hole.
I think Koefficient is one of the main reasons this game even has a player base. He is one of if not THE first content creator to bridge fighting games with Vtubers. If anything, this game was made specifically for him, as it's centered around VTubers (most of which are among his personal favorites) and has mechanics that are very similar to Blazblue.
The game features a lot of Vtuber references, but you've glanced over how the game also has a lot of fighting game references. The most obvious ones are references to the Marvel Vs. Capcom series. X-potato is a reference to a Wolverine's Weapon X. Botan's Get To Da Choppa is a reference to Jin Saotome's Blodia Vulcan. And lastly, every single character's Cosplay 6 color pallet is a reference to an existing fighting game character.
Will try this looks FUKING fun! Thanks for telling us that this game exist :)
So, for those who want to know a little bit more about the idol culture I strongly recommend watching or reading Oshi no Ko. Not only is one of the best manga/anime I've read/watch, but also it strongly critiques the idol industry.
PLEASEEE COME BACK AND ANALYSE ANIMATIONS AGAINNNN
Never heard of hololive before. Now I know what the fuss was about.
0:46 unexpected Max collab
Wait... Rogue-like fighting game?
Now i totally got sold
This game is fun as hell. You can see how they take inspiration of marvel vs Capcom. And also playable on Linux
I hope if Idol Showdown permits it, they add for example Vshojo members since all of them have fighting capabilities
Imagine Kson vs Coco
or Nazuna vs Rushia
Can't believe MK ripped off Idol Showdown's Collab system
Also a few reads of characters I know about and how they relate to their personality
Suisei: Suisei being a really appresing force when she gets to hit one good hit is really in character not only because of her murderous abilities in AMOGUS! And the winter game, but also how she doesn't seem to be that good in many games or abilities but when she's good she Comes on top of any social deduction game, is one of the best dancers in Hololive, beting for someone else in a Mario Kart tournament is betting for an underdog and she has beaten N°1 Tetris 99 player in the world and she will not hesitate to show her complete dominance when she has it.
Korone: her close-quarters shoto for me it's brilliant because on one hand she does have the dog personality he already talked about but she also has said how she does boxing for a passtime wich may translate at prefering shorter ranges but also what he didn't mention is how she's mostly a retro streamer, and since most of the mechanics we associatte to gimmick fighter wouldn't come a lot of time after the retro games she focuses arround, it makes sense that she of all her companions would choose to play arround shoto basics instead of focusing on gimmicks like Gacha, summons, weird dashes or something like that.
If someone wants to add to this feel free since I don't know much from the other half of the roaster and I'm really impressed of how much work went into translating and mashing the personality and lore of the talents into practical fighting game characters.
Coco's cartwheel command grab is perfectly delayed to catch people who are blocking too much. If you catch'm sleeping, hit'em with the GOOD MORNING MOTHER F******
funny enough, when Korone played SF6 recently, her character of choice was a zoner (JP), lol
First Koko / Kson is a bless and i hope her VA carer explodes aswell, second including sana aswell was a nice touch. On another hand i started watching your content years ago when you still made league content and while i understand that you prob don't want those vids to be on your channel, they're pretty much part of my greatest memories when i started the game and had alot of fun with my friends. Is there any chance you can upload them somewhere again ? Keep up the great work mate.
Having brought up the very toxic communities around idols, I want to recommend Oshi no ko to anyone reading this comment.
I've been watching it, and I just want to say that it covers some very serious topics about what idols, and even actors, have to go through.
Other than that I can't really say much about exactly what it's about, as even beginning to talk about that brings up spoilers for the 1 1/2 hour episode one, but I can at least say that it is easily one of the best anime that I have seen.
Also, I should mention that I'm watching the dub, so i'm only at episode 6, but I have at least had a friend tell me that it continues to be phenominal.
Gura would be a cool fighting game character. Her playstyle would be Dante from UMvC3 but it's got sharks and all that.
Honestly didn't know it had a substantial singleplayer component to it. This might be what actually gets me to download it.
as someone who loves fighting games, hololive, used to be obsessed with martial arts, studies animation at university and loves tabletop roleplaying games and gacha games... yes
I want a "Mortal Kombat 1 " impression video. Haha
Same. You know he's going to tear it a new hole, just like all the previous videos....
Sadly, he's already done a video during the last one saying he was quitting the franchise. He could always change his mind, but his tone during it suggested otherwise.
This was a pleasant surprise.
bro literally just made a video gushing about a game about virtual youtubers and his addiction to them
(I also have an addiction)
TAKODACHIS RISE UP
WAH!
@@taloscal WAH!
I didn't think you would talk about IS. I'm glad you enjoyed the game and hololive too.
Heh, happy you like it!
This game satisfied my dream of being able to beat ass as Tokino Sora. The power of seiso triumphs over all!
There’s gonna be an upcoming fighting game made by Hyun’s Dojo (Studio Bidou specifically) called Stickfigurez. A platform fighter featuring popular stickfigures characters, such as ones from the Rock Hard Gladiators series and seemingly other popular stickfigure medias. (Ex. Henry Stickmin, Johnny Rocket Fingers, etc) (Note I’m only stating examples of Stickfigure Media, only 4 characters so far have been revealed and they are all from the RHG/Dojo Duels series.)
I saw in your Hustle video that you wanted to review some stickfigure fighting games like Knockout (Fatal Arts: Reloaded is also a thing) and I wanted to share about this game aswell.
You should check out the mk1 gameplay, they’ve improved animations MASSIVELY, it’s an enormous glowup
SugarPunch being a Hololive fan is a very surprising thing but a welcome one! 💙💙💙💙💙
Edit: it should be noted that Hololive already had a growing English speaking fanbase before Coco, mostly thanks to Clippers and the only Hololive member at the time with a decent grasp of English: Akai Haato, hence why Kiryu Coco and Haachama were always called Hololive EN Generation 0
Pekora "the war criminal"
I only know Vtubers (Hololive and Nijisanji) through the clips. I was still excited to play.
3:55 She's from the 4th gen not 5th smh my head
He messed up Mel's gen too
Dude literally only actually cares about Coco, everyone else is just her supporting character to him
I appreciate the usage of Makoto footages 👍
Man this channel really speaks to me we vibing to all the same stuff
Using Idolm@ster footage instead of idol footage. I approve. I do wish we had a western release of the Idolm@ster games. I would have loved to play the Takane Shijou route.
Very appreciative of this Hololive breakdown. Never understood anything about it or where they came from before now
I had next to no knowledge of Hololive prior to watching this video, and to be honest, I still don't quite understand it even after watching. BUT I can tell a lot of passion went into this video, and it was enjoyable all the way through, so...liked!
Oh god that list of things about Sugar makes me wonder if I am actually sugar and I dont know it. Particularly the Crippling XIV addiction lmao
this is the crossover I was waiting for
We will remember you forever, K- I mean coco
dont let this distract you from the fact that PEKORA BOUGHT A FUCKING MONKEY
Coco was the only holo live vtuber i knew so she was the first character i played
When is style select coming back?
Hey, not sure, but something might have happened with the audio. Getting this weird static in your voice, might need to check the mic settings. Otherwise, great video!
Great video. I agree that Coco was incredibly influential deserves a lot of credit and I love that she is in the game, but I think a lot of the talents challenged idol culture.
For instance, Matsuri and Marine have always shown a lot of "culture," Haachama made very unhinged content and Korone's yubi obsession is a reference to yakuza "finger shortening." Korone also used to host "facts of society's dark side, where she would explain dark criminal behavior as if she was explaining it to children.
I heard Haachama had something to do with the creation of HoloEn.
Also, a few other talents had the superpower "English" before HoloEn, the most fluent before Coco was Haachama. Subaru and Korone had "effort English" by forcing themselves to communicate more with their English fans and becoming better over time.
A Makoto fan too? So based
Good fighting game with good pixel art for free? You had me there mate.
I didn’t know that sugarpunch liked TTRPGs. He seems like the kind of guy who only plays 5e, and maybe tried Pathfinder afters the whole OGL thing, and buys art commissions of his character.
Ah, a fellow SSRB.
I love that even knowing literally nothing about Hololive I still maintained my age-old tradition of maining boss characters w/ Coco, lol. I didn't stuck around for long sadly, SF6 released soon after and the playerbase for Idol Showdown was waaaay more casual than me. People were complaining in forums how underpowered Coco was even though she was a grappler with some of the best normals in the game and _the only character to have a fucking airdash in the game_ . *_A grappler_* . After the 100th time my safe jump setups worked I felt like I couldn't really grow playing this game, I was just bullying vtuber fans.
PS: I think my interests match with yours only on animation, FGC and Martial arts history, but honestly I like the flow of your video essays that I'd still watch even those whose subjects isn't something I'd normally go for.
As someone who's only knowledge of Hololive is Korone, Idol Showdown, Holocure and now this video makes me want to know more about the Hololive universe
Is this channel even active.....fighting games renaissance is HAPPENING....you have not done videos on STREET FIGHTER 6......TEKKEN 8......or even the usual rant on MORTAL KOMBAT....what is going on?
Nice To see your videos again also nice, never thought i get To hear actual history of hololive
6:15 I can never fucking escape Umineko I swear to god
Seeing this game makes me wish a certain bartender was in it.
Coco graduation is the most extravagant thing in vtuber history
Great video as usual, but something's wrong with your mic.
At several points the audio became scratchy in a way that was greatly uncomfortable somehow (felt like it vibrated my adam's apple or something lol)
Coco to Hololive is exactly like what Bullet Club/Kenny Omega did for New Japan, to put it oversimplistically.
didnt expect that you are falling into the rabbit but enjoy the stay
also cuz youre botan oshi dont forget to buy ticket for her gen concert
as a Martial Artist AND V-Tuber enjoyer & streamer... i love this!
I hope Mori Calliope gets added to the roster!
Wait, Pekora was supposed to be shy and timid in her profile? just lol
I guess that's only reserved to the real pekora😂
according to Marine, Peko is absolutely shy and timid irl, and has to be dragged out into public whenever the girls do things together
I'm so glad Korone can take our yubis with a combo!
Love the video as a fan of both fighting games and vtubers!
it was actually cocos ark streams that got me into the hololive rabbit hole, i was playing that game at the time and saw some clips of those streams and checked them out, the fact that she spoke some english in those streams had me more interested in checking out hololive as a whole, if not for her i don't know if i would have gotten into hololive or not
"Cripplig FFXIV Addiction"... Do what you must. In the end, FFXIV is the retirement home for the FGC.
This alone makes me want a PC. Heck I've been more invested ever since Max did a Rate the Super on it.
Dragon girl grappler is pretty much up my alley