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Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD): Overview and Issues
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ค. 2023
- Craving attention, teasing men, sexually frigid, tormented by introjects, collapses: Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD).
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A very overlooked disorder (ironically) that often gets labelled as narcissism
At the beginning when he said, They are "the histrionics" I thought this is a great band's name.
Yes this would be a great band name.
I've been wanting a video about HPD. Vaknin never disappoints!
This is the best video on HPD I've ever seen. I feel like you truly understand me. And I'm histrionic. We are the epitome of "look, don't touch"
@@asharajbhar1176 From my own experience (and from talking with other people with HPD) we often want attention for our appearance. We go to great lengths to look good in order to receive attention for our appearance. Spending tons of money on clothes, makeup, cosmetic procedures. While we want attention for our appearance and we act flirtatious we don't actually intend or want the seduction to evolve into sexually charged touches and engagment. Look, but don't touch.
I think people with HPD use sexuality and flirtatiousness because sexuality is an easy and effective way to garner attention, but its not the sex we want. We just want to be seen. If we don't receive attention our mood crashes and we feel as though we don't exist. We need the attention like a car needs gas. We need to be seen in order to see ourselves.
Once I discovered there were other ways to receive attention and feel connected to people and the world sex and sexuality, appearing sexy became irrelevant. Now I find that just being a friend does it for me.
@@laerrus yeah, I also have diagnosed HPD, I do focus on my appearance a lot but I'm never flirtatious probably as I had in my environment the sentiment that a woman that actively flirts is "desperate" and "not hot" and I've found different ways to get attention as a teenager, mostly playing the victim and trying to improve my social status among other women mostly, now I'm a performer in my spare time as a hobby for the sake of that massive need for attention
@@laerrusas a male with these trades, I would describe this feeling as: “I’m simply not here, if I am not seen”. If there’s no person apart from me, my existence doesn’t feel real. Tho I did a lot of work on that and feel like I have a lot more integrated sense of self now, but still I do experience this emotional “emptiness” from time to time if I’m alone…
Histrionics are easy to spot in office settings. Here's what I've noticed;
1. Short skirts and lots of cleavage daily.
2. Dropping items right in front of men.
3. Touching, rubbing up against, bumping into any man or lesbian.
4. Loud talking or laughing and at least one incidence of leaving a room crying.
5. Small talk consists of inappropriate sexual innuendo.
6. Frequent trips to the washroom re-emerging with fresh make-up or new hairstyle.
7. Rumors about dating co-workers.
8. Not speaking to most female colleagues.
9. Boyfriend(s) showing up at work unannounced and creating a scene.
10. Work for temp agencies as they can't hold permanent employment and usually don't last long before they're placed elsewhere.
sounds like a toxic work environment to me
I know of at least two histrionic women who are in higher positions at work.
Sounds like someone struggling with abandonment issues. See cptsd.
Me
Sounds like a girl named Caitlyn where my gig’s at.. hmm🤔
Sir....please we need few more videos on dependent personality disorder and some new insights into healing it further ... thanking you in anticipation
Have you gone to his co dependency videos?
Co dependents and love addicts are often Dependent personality styles close if not disordered.
Love addicts 9/10 have concurrent dependent personality disorder
I wish he would go through all thirteen of the PD and describe how each would present in a common but given situation.
Call me racist but I started learning more about histrionic personalities after I moved to Latin America. It helps me to make better relationship with everyone here and makes my life easier
You see this more and more with Equator zone woman. I've seen it most with Filipina woman. I'm 6'1. Very introverted. Extremely generous. Good looking. I've actually only seen this in woman from 3rd world countries. Be vigilant!
You might think you're dealing with sleeping beauty... and I'll slay the dragon for her... you'll soon find you, this sleeping beauty is the dragon!!!!!
Run!!!
It may be easier to confuse more vibrant cultures with HPD as an outsider looking in
@@ampersand6375 Certain East Asian women have this as well!
@@wokefromhome7389 Having grown up in an East Asian culture and since left it, I'd counter somewhat and say those with HPD or NPD(even ASPD) tend to camouflage themselves easier in certain cultures. In these cases the cultures themselves become the enablers of HPD & NPD, regardless if these culture intend to do it or not!
@@jmwoods190is it still considered a disorder if it’s cultural?
Thank you. Best description of this perplexing PD that I have encountered. I have personally experienced what the professor is describing to the letter T. HPD is by far the most dangerous variant of Cluster B if you happen to be a male that fell in love with one of these lizards. They flirt or exhibit flirtatious body language INDISCRIMINATELY, regardless if the man is attractive or not, regardless of the social context. Sometimes happened because we had a fight (she would cause extreme drama over trivial bullshit) and I thought she was trying to punish me via triangulation, other times under perfectly harmonious conditions between us. She had a fall out with many of her female friends, they accused her of flirting with their husbands. Ended up having only male "friends" and all of her ex's were in the picture. Also so true that they oscillate between other variants of cluster b. She also had ADHD, according to a german study, 30% of those diagnosed with ADHD met criteria for HPD. Of course she was a therapist on top of it. Cluster B therapists sounds like an oxymoron or a case of wolves guarding the sheep?
They are quite likely to blindly waltz into very precarious situations. This is especially true for those who aren't too adept at recognizing a male with a lizard brain. I've had to intervene in one such situation that was hauntingly stuck in my face both of 'em. It was a while ago, but it still horrifies me ... obviously. In large part, because I'm the one who made the introduction ... for good and noble purposes. It was then that I realized just how disturbed this guy really is. I mean, this the kind of creep who'd literally follow your young son or daughter into a bathroom ... right in front of you. Basically, Kevin Spacey, but without the Hollywood actor and money part.
Sorry for all that. Still trying to process the whole horror show.
~TD, Boston
Sounds 100% like my ex too. Jesus...
I have experienced a relationship with a textbook histrionic , fortunately I was aware of her personality before I met her , she tried so hard to hurt me lol , she was gutted when I dropped her like a hot brick 😂😂😂😂it actually sent her crazy that she was unable to injure me , she was a vile dark being
Lol she tried to hold a relationship with me whilst constantly trying to triangulate me , her personality structure was primarily histrionic however underneath she was 100% borderline and secondary psychopath , the histrionic was her main presentation , push and pull , when I rejected her she tried to throw other men in my face , she hated that she couldent knock me down or bring me to my knees , she was a primary psychopath in the end doing anything possible to try and hurt me 😊
These types are absolutely vile , fall in love with one of these and you will be deeply damaged , all her ex partners are completely broken fortunately for me I seen it as we started our relationship, they are all completely ruined , power play would be a good word to describe it and we entitled it’s unreal , her daughter is even worse lol , feel for the woman as she’s obviously in pain herself , best left alone these ones 😊
As expected Sam provides the best anaylisis of this disorder that is attracting a lot misogyny from males who jump to conclusions are are vile in their condemnation.
As a diagnosed person with HPD, thank you. I keep seeing opinions online how because of my disorder I never asked for, I'm a "lizard" and basically a sociopath incapable (or unwilling) of controlling my impulses and a cheater that ruins men's lives for fun
@@agatazietek9098 I wish much strength to you.
I have to admit, I thought all that was going wrong, as did my therapist, was that I am internally depressed. Maybe the analysing is different in Germany, or maybe it was because I am 18, but she never talked about these niches of disorders in relation to depression. Honestly I feel (sadly) very represented by this disorder. I have found myself in so bad situations because of this. While I was in a relationship, I felt less recognised, looked at and appreciated and there was a spark missing, maybe the attention of my boyfriend. While also dealing with body dysmorphia and self hatred, it was a nice feeling of men still recognising one, no matter how disgusting their motives were, but I was 15, and I just didn’t know better. After indulging in flirty actions, I felt recognised, I had what I wanted, but while realising, this is going to far, it was unable for me to abort the mission, because I was scared of him pointing out my flaws and ending up in a misogynistic manner towards me. I felt disgusting, but I wasn’t at peace with myself, especially not because I knew if you would have to explain yourself, there is a lot wrong with you. To be honest it worsened my Depression, I really don’t want to play the victim, but I was too blind to see how disgustingly men perceive women. My boyfriend wasn’t one of them, but because I couldn’t handle these situations and my mental disorder I thought it’s best for me to end things, also best for him, to outgrow these issues and to work on myself. While this happened, I was in the position of a damsel in distress, and men saw their role in helping out. I was open to them, I told them about my problems and self hatred and this ended up in them compensating my issues by saying my flaws are beautiful. Stupid me, who is already vulnerable because of the recently ended relationship of course flashes a gaze in order to maintain their attention and their desire for me. It was nice feeling and seeing that a man had been lusting for me and giving me this kind of attention, even though I didn’t want it from him, I just wanted the feeling of attention and recognition. After realising “my power” I was flabbergasted, also because I am not a beauty standard, the next thing I knew was, that another person was waiting, but I was too scared, shy, or maybe even too caught in the moment of enjoying the attention, to say anything about the other mans existence. But still I was not obliged to tell anyone about my flings, I owed them no loyalty. When I realised things were getting deeper, as stupid as it may sound, but also as this video underlines as a histrionic, you say deeper things and you mean them. All the words I said to them and all beautiful moments we shared without sexualisation were genuine from my side. As this video underlines, I never wanted sex with them, I felt put in the position, but I didn’t want to engage on sex, because of the trauma from the cheating story.
I am thankful for this video, because it shows me that there is more psychological damage and trauma or disfunction behind my personality. Sometimes I would wish that people would think deeper and more enlightened, but I guess that’s the way how society is, and that’s also the reason, why I think that people (including me) dealing with these disorders will never find their place in society and will be ostracised in some way.
People hate me now, without thinking about why things might have happened, and it just hurts, it makes me more depressed again and I never meant to hurt anyone. I just want my people to know that I am struggling with this, but I don’t know what to do :(
Nice insight. I had a histrionic girlfriend for quite some time. They really feel different to narcissists. They have a genuine side that I could even appreciate after weird stuff and a bad end to the relationship. Also as a person she was extremely active and productive.
I realized after experiencing some other b cluster types and reflected on some more dark abuse that histrionics might be extremely vulnerable to intended manipulation or acts that are designed to actively use them.
I have just been diagnosed with Histronic Personality Disorder and Persistent Depressive Disorder and yes, I am dramatic because I do not know how to express my emotions without the drama.
Are your emotions genuine? because it's said hpd have shallow emotions.can you really love someone?
@@asharajbhar1176 They are shallow, but genuine. And yes, I fall in love and love hard
They are deep for me but I'm just learning I may have this. And love is genuine and deep also.
@@chroniccopingjessicamaclean I think that mine was a misdiagnosis. What I think I have is Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder(C-PTSD). I think clinicians struggle to tell the difference between Cluster B Personality Disorders and C-PTSD.
Thanks! I was diagnosed with PTSD so that could have something to do with it...
I think I have this disorder and that explains many strange situations I’ve passed through my life :) I was always wondering why I behave in such a way and only now I realise I have HPD. Wow!
Congrats on arriving to thr realization. Wish you a good path forward to healing
Thank you Prof. It's been a while since you've talked about them.
your a fantastically clever man ❤
My oldest sister described here very well. Self centred, self-entitled, dramatic, highly sexualised, dependent, self centred, agressive, selfish n extremely attention seeking. She also has comorbitity with Narcissism. Utter nightmare to deal with. She's now going through her second marriage. She found her second "mug" through my youngest sister. My youngest sister wanted my sister to approve of her choice of boyfriend. Instead of approving this choice, HPD oldest sister slept with him behind my youngest sister's back. Now they hardly talk. By the way, my youngest sister is a classic overt Narcissist. So, imagine the fireworks in our family get-togethers. I am a healed Codependent. 😢
Woulf you describe her as self-centered?
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The end➡️(ATTENTION) justifies the means(any absurd or inappropriate, usually oversexed behavior).
You just described all the Instagram thots
Yup
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MF , HPD is more than that -speaking as a histrionic
😂 yes
Posting pictures doesn't make a woman a ho. Please stop this.
I want my mom to stop being like this, this is the opposite to autism which is what I have😢
Yin and Yang.
At almost 50, I was histrionic when I was a smoke show of a woman and gained attention because of how I looked, very few women could stand next to me. Every woman either was jealous of me or wanted to be my best fiend, every man wanted to mate me. Yet when the physical look changed with age it doesnt command the attention it once did, i now I’ve kinda morphed into a borderline, all subconsciously and my personality is entirely different that I don’t command the same attention I once did. Does that happen to others?
I have a question about your life experiences. Any email?
@@frozen1771 you can ask here
@@nana6899 ok. Here goes.
1) Assuming that you have had several relationships in the past, have you ever really loved anyone? Or ever love someone so much that you wanted to change?
2) have long was the length of each relationship you had?
3) when did you realize you did not command attention as before? At what age?
4) are you currently in a relationship? You said that you shifted to boderline (actually that makes sense to me), if you currently in relationship, how do you manage your splitting.
5) did you have daddy issue growing up?
6) assuming your life experiences are full of failed relationship, have you ever thought of settling down?
Sorry for long questions, but i recently broke up with someone with HPD(she cheated), but she blocked me and i am trying to understand to get closure.
@@nana6899 btw, she is 39. I m 45.
@C Cho my best friend was one. Went behind my back with my husband who is also a narc but not sure what kind yet. Ruined our future. We have kids together and he blames it on me. We're in the midst of a separation now and I can say a couple of those questions I still am having and I see him a lot
Timing!
I have HPD and was molested on the streets of Chico California at night in front of my narc husband and he didn’t stop it and It was the scariest and most horrific experience of my entire life
im sorry that's terrifying
You are amazing and have just described the outlandish transsexual women who many of us detest. NOT the ones who are living a quiet life, and perhaps married with children; but the flagrant ones who mimic what they think women are; loud, promiscuous, drama queens who lie frigid and pay me for phone sex, but instead spend thousands of dollars to complain and ponder their relationships with their mothers and to discuss the many plastic surgeries they’ve gotten to make themselves the perfect woman who is more lovely than one who is real.
oddly specific man
I've met people who fit this description & god help you if you (unintentionally) disrupt their supply. One woman was the same age as me (32 at the time) communicated by flirting only, drew the attention of all the men in the company & threw a hissy fit when her much younger boyfriend told me I looked his age. I was so uncomfortable even though I knew he meant no harm.
@@CalloCallay Oops, bet that woman felt very awkward too!
lol my best friend is just like this, i love her regardless but it's hard to keep up with her@@CalloCallay
I’m certain my husband (soon to be divorced) has histrionic personality disorder. He has no insight into his behaviour at all and can be socially awkward and overly dramatic. He’s unusually superficial - people think he’s too friendly and fake. He’s a pathological liar, he shouts when he’s only talking and he constantly interrupts. His speech is impressionistic too. He tends to ramble on and on and doesn’t get to the point. He has some serious anger issues and can’t regulate his emotions. He definitely has some borderline, narcissistic and antisocial traits.
Does he consistently seek attention of females he doesn't know??
Did you rule out autism? Except the lying...
@@kota3117 I had my suspicions that he might be autistic but after a while it was pretty clear that even if he was on the spectrum it wasn’t his primary issue … my daughter has autism and so do I.
This type is the worse to thier children. Classic narc behavior but with added sexual boundary invasions that are made normal and accepted within the family unit as just being "them". They typically sexual abuse thier children with gropes that are laughed off as jokes
My parents
Any evidence that HPDs are just narcissists that are incestuous pedophiles or are you just demonizing a group of people based on your armchair "theories"?
A person who acts like a narcissist but also assaults people sexually is not a person with HPD. It's still a narcissist who assaults people and MAYBE has HPD traits.
Thank you
I'm so histrionic I amuse myself!!
היי סם 🌸✨ האם יש לך אופציה לכמה שיחות זום בתשלום? אני רוצה ייעוץ אישי ממך לגביי משהו ספציפי שאני לא יודעת איך נכון להתמודד איתו...
ואם כן, איפה אפשר לפנות אליך ? אתר או אימייל?
www.narcissistic-abuse.com/ctcounsel.html
Love all your work and videos. 😊
I had a college classmate who after ignoring me for 2 years decided that I am still in love with her after her boyfriend cheated on her and exploded in some very dramatic displays including singing something while I was passing by on the staircase or looking at me while holding her boyfriend’s hand and freeing her hand right away. She only spoke to me once in 3 years and after I reacted angrily to her behaviour became sullen and once even looked at me like a beaten dog. Within a few weeks she again ignored me completely like I did not even exist. In another 4 months she got pregnant with her cheating but very jealous boyfriend and looked even more crushed. Years later I found out that she had been smoking nonstop. She always looked at the ground when she walked and very rarely spoke. Is that histrionics? Or just being shy and overestimating intimacy, because her partner only appeared to mark his territory and even cheated on her.
I do think so, me personally was also acting this way, it’s a sign of insecurity and unhappiness. She is unhappy in her situation and seeks the good guy in you, these little exchanges are sparks of hope, the desire of attention and sexual recognition. But still she seeks the stability within her boyfriend and she forces herself to maintain a dead relationship, she compensates it with substances such as alcohol.
I feel bad for both of you, do you know if she is still alive?
@@scottsorangeslices She is still alive. I thought I would never see her again, but did see her 4 years ago accidentally. The only reason I noticed her (I was looking in a different direction), was because she laughed while passing by and I turned to see who is laughing. She stopped further down the street with her lady companion who kept looking at me and turning to her from time to time to tell her something while she had her back to me the whole time. By the way, the college days were in the mid-90s and this story cost me emotionally for decades. It was both destructive for the other and self-destructive for me as well. It cost me physically as well, especially after I relived everything years after it happened and ended up with an autoimmune disease that is still affecting me.
Confabulate is a great word.
i was WAITING for dis oneee
My wife described in great detail
I m glad I found this
as an ex-narcissist i can confirm i frequently delved into the histrionic on multiple occasions ;)
How was your experience with the histrionics?
Dammit, i was trying to make a skillful and funny sexual allusion.
Ehm, avoid it at all cost. I short, a histrionic will make you feel special for hee princess status. Shell make you hunt her for a sex appeal.
In the end what theyre really doing is trying to shut you up, hurt you and all the while not (really) veing emotionally available.
They seem like a jackpot, but are everything but.
Keep away from "sexiness". That would be my rule - notwithstanding exceptions. A real woman will bw emotionally available, feminine rather than sexy and not manipulate but play. Its subtle, I admit, but a big difference in the end.
@@oooodaxteroooo my histrionic freind is very proud of her excessive emotions but I know her emotions change very quickly and she is cold at heart actually doesn't care for anyone.she is overtly seductive but she is not that interested in the real sexual act..she loves the chase and flirting..I think they are very insidious and should not be entertained at all.. staying away is best from them.
Your not an ex narcissist…. Personality disorders don’t go away
i love your take on this disorder
My mother in law is always saying very inappropriate things, for example she will talk about how she used to have sex with her husband who passed many years ago. It would be impossible to count the number of times her kids and I (her sons wife) have been sitting around the table chatting, and she suddenly asks about our sex lives, then say that she loves sex and misses having sex with their father… We are obviously all disgusted by the question and comments. She asked me once when I was alone with her, what is her sons penis like, does it feel good, and do I like it… I was literally in a state of shock… A most recent encounter was at the nursing home when her son went to pick her up from respite, and when he walked up to them she turned to one of the sisters who works there and asked “when was the last time we had sex?”. When the sister stood there in shock at the question, she replied “oh you know I’m just kidding”. She’s talked in the past about her doctor flirting with her. She apparently has strange me at her apartment at night sometimes. And she’s an elderly woman so her looks have long since abandoned her, but she is still obsessed with doing her hair and makeup and wearing provocative clothing. She once walked out into the front yard in the morning to get the mail in a sheer nighty that you could see right through, and she was naked… When confronted by her son who told her that the whole neighbourhood just saw you naked she replied “don’t be silly why would anyone want to look at me?”. Would you say these are histrionic traits?
Potentially dementia induced behaviours.
She might or might not have HPD but she is a perv
maybe she just doesn’t give a fuck lol
I am looking for the symptom I read about just once, and I don’t remember where, that involves a woman becoming extremely maternal not necessarily with her own children. My sister has had all of the symptoms spoken of here, but as she ages she has had less sexual affairs and now becomes obsessed with other people’s children. She has not been able to have her own. So she will convince co workers, friends, to let her take their newborns overnight even. She usually loses interest as they get older but now she has been seen over and over with the same little girl who is now maybe 5 years old.
Some political ideologies make a lot more "sense" when you start to learn about such personality disorders.
Yeah, especially the conservative female show hosts who tear other women down while wearing a huge cleavage or constantly try to look cutesy and show how unlike "modern women" they are and how much they're "wife material". Willing to bet female Nazis especially we're all over the Cluster B.
It sounds interesting. But I always wonder a bit about one person explaining how another person functions. You can see how a person acts. But you can't really see what they think amd feel inside. Can you? A lot of it is interpretation, isn't it?
It is. We rely on self-reporting and on assumptions of similarity. Watch my video on overperception.
Listening to this it sounds too similar to behaviours of vulnerable narcs. Makes you think if classification within cluster b personality group is useful?
Can a woman w HPD stop cheating?
Yes. Histrionics are actually sex-averse. It is the chase and the flirting that they crave.
@@samvaknin And there's no hope for a well functioning/long lasting relationship with a woman with HPD unless you're the type of man described in the video (i.e. an asshole)? Is remission possible at all for a histrionic?
Thank you.
Reading the comments , I’m honestly surprised to see the amount of women saying they have histrionic. Not to sound racist at all , but most of the women admitting this are Caucasian women. I think it would be a lot harder for a black woman to admit to things like this would take for her to put her ego away. A lot of black women have this ego that they feel they don’t do any wrong at all and you can’t tell them anything. It’s sad as hell. Their response is always something along the lines of “ I’m not gonna let a man control me “ or “ You can’t tell me what to do etc “ it’s sad out here. Most women I run into are like this
Sounds like pop music culture
My mother and my ex husband were both narcissistic, my mother seduced my ex husband, I do wonder if she has histrionic personality disorder, she has acted sexual in front of my boyfriends when I was younger. She was sexually abused as a child (so was I) and so was my ex husband.
Narcissist,borderline,adhd,and histrionic all use sexual advances to get who they want
My Mum 💄👠💋💅💃🏾
Prof Vaknin can you please do a video about the Histrionic as a parent and how they treat their children?
It is mostly passed from generation to generation. The main cause is thought to be mainly the way parents breed children (and also the trait of psychopathy). According to one study the genetical predispositions for psychopathy often evolve (being moderated by the way the individual is raised) into either ASPD or HPD strongly depending on the sex of the individual - for women it tends to be HPD, for men - ASPD.
Thank you for your great work! It's really an eyopener after the expirience of narcicistic abuse. I wonder if there are often combinations of the different disorders. For example, narcissistic personality disorder with histrionic components. Does that exist?
Funny names appear in the written subtitle. "My name is Sandra Clinton" "My name is Sam Batman"
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So, 5 out of the 6, ain't bad, Doc!🛎🤣🙃😁🫠🤭🤪😘🤩🫣 All, but canniving!🙄 To a Narcissist, that only means that I am NOT perfect!😅Whomp, whomp!🎺📯😃
What led me to learning about histrionic years ago was the experiences that I’ve had with women. It’s like I kept running into the same person in a different body. Constant attention seeking , narcissistic very , does no wrong, seeking attention with sexual behavior etc. I also noticed they all had anxiety. This video went a lot more into detail about this disorder. But the funny thing about it is you can’t tell a woman this 😂. It doesn’t help at all that we are in the age of women empowerment
If you keep encountering them, I'd also think there's something about you that attracts them. Healthy men don't like these women.
The Kardashians. 😂
Thank you for this I think I have this. Idk how it affects my life negatively though
Some of this seems to strongly relate to the Christian Woman profile and aound a lot like people I've visited church with or have known intimately through church relationships which is... Ironic?
It’s because we are ENFJs and we lead cults on the side lol
In all seriousness I think a lot of HPD people would test as an ENFJ @Pleiadian_Peacock_Prophetess
A very informative video, thank you. If I may add some speculation to this comment section, I would like to note that a young writer wrote the following about the Wunderkind Mask deployed by the narcissist to broadcast to the world that he is both lovable and vulnerable when he felt his False Self could be placed in the background: th-cam.com/video/AiTlg-Ehnr4/w-d-xo.html
"The narcissist hates adults and is repelled by them. In his mind, he is forever innocent and loveable."
"This phase over, the narcissist believes that his superiority is established, securing a constant flow of Narcissistic Supply and Narcissistic Accumulation. His False Self is satisfied and exits the scene. It will not reappear unless the supply is threatened.
It is the turn of the Wunderkind mask. Its goal is to allow the narcissist to establish some emotional involvement without suffering the results of an assured ultimate narcissistic injury or trauma. Again this underlying falsity, this infantilism, provoke rejection, the dismantling of the narcissist's social frameworks and groups, and the abandonment of the narcissist by friends and colleagues.
"Anticipating this painful and (potentially) life-threatening phase, the narcissist activates another mask: the Wunderkind mask. This mask does allow for emotions to infiltrate the narcissistic fortress while maintaining impenetrable and successful defences against emotional injury."
May I propose a hypothesis that marries these sentiments with your more recent videos on Cluster B "switching"? The Wunderkind Mask is in fact a histrionic self-state meant to capture love and affirmations of childlike vulnerability. In short, it captures the "true" desire of a sort-of Libidinal Ego and is closer to the core of the Narcissist. However, as you are already well-aware the wall of the False Self usually stops this process by instead focusing on pain avoidance.
As you've documented in the Narcissist, the False Self is the dominate defense mechanism, and others (including the histrionic self-state) are only allowed to wander as far as it allows. In the histrionic the process is inverted, the False Self defense mechanism is too weak to survive on its own (I believe due to a lack of a more psychotic "ideal ego" to act as an anchor for the False Self), and has instead been subjugated by, essentially, a Wunderkind Mask. In the Histrionic, The Wunderkind Mask has effectively enslaved the False Self as an extension to its will by having it act as a proxy. It is forced to prove itself deserving of love, having it imitate other's desires for this purpose. It then switches between "False Selves/Masks" depending on the company it keeps.
In short, in the Histrionic the False Self has no density (perhaps without the Ideal Ego), it has only a rough outline and is filled with the ego functions of others. This allows shallow emotions to "sneak" through the histrionic's weak False Self, albeit without those emotions seeming to stick to anything. Ultimately, the Histrionic ends up being a method actor, whereas the Narcissist is a classical actor.
God
Help use 6 types of Histrionics .
The thing I'd really like to start a discussion about:
Hollywood, Cluster-B, HPD, and #MeToo. Women still to this day offer sex in exchange for work in the film industry.
This guy is fucking hilarious
What kind of female psychology doew one find amongst women in pornography?? I can't understand why so many women do this.
Childhood trauma
Could not agree with you (Vic M) more ! Not to insult the other commenters but childhood trauma,damaged vulnerable people as well as those lacking skills or abilities required for gainful employment are found in abundance amongst the women and men for that matter, who find themselves involved in “ performing“ in pornography. These qualities I’m certain are common stock Or may as well be seen as prerequisites for those who choose to participate. I believe Vic’s question seeks to understand at a much deeper level the underlying psychodynamics of the person who find themself willing to engage in this type of activity. I too have made efforts to understand this very issue and searched endlessly for answers online. With the exception of a survey type “study“ I have yet to see anyone delve into this subject anymore than The most rudimentary effort. this scratching the surface amounts to describing the ocean is being wet. I too will wait patiently for professor Vaknin to address this issue, as it is one that requires, no…demands someone who possesses the wisdom, brilliance and intellectual superiority required to approach this question in a serious manner!
So, tip-o-the hat to you Vic M. as well as you professor Vaknin, as I am So sincerely grateful for your brilliance.
@@johnnygardner288 what don't you get. Its caused by childhood trauma , typically sexual abuse ...its obvious
@Johnny Gardner thank you the issue is simply not being addressed, or it's a case of women simply being victims. Some cases yes but not all. As a woman I am trying to understand what drives a woman to flash her genitalia before the whole world and degrade herself permanently before billions.
@@stephpom5373 in all cases??
Isn't this simply 'hysteria'? :-)
The collapsed narsasist 😂😂😂
Brilliant ❤