I literally think the weapon tonics give me every weapon but the weapon that it’s focusing. Probably just my rng unless other people are seeing this as well. Ultimately, I am getting more loot at the end of the day, but at that point, just make a single tonic for more weapons
Everything said here is why I'm annoyed. I only wanted to farm the shotgun in Act 2, I can't focus it, the RNG keep giving me Act 1 weapons and the t reprised weapons, make it make sense and the tonics don't even bloody work
i feel like that's a bug, because during the first week of the episode i would chug a bitter/sweet tonic, and be absolutely swimming in bitter/sweet drops. but lately, i pop one, and most of the time, i get something else. unless i got really, really lucky for the first like 12 hours of the episode, i think something broke.
The game feels horribly unrewarding. I don’t need armor. I want weapons. I need to be able to tell the game what I do and don’t want in my loot pool because I’m deleting 99% of my drops right now and feel like every time I log in I’m wasting hours chasing something I’ll never get. Crafting fixed this because at least the trash was letting me progress towards being able to make what I want. But apparently we can’t have nice things
Exactly this. I’m all for crafting and no one can change my mind. If there was way to target farm what we want, then we wouldn’t be spending hours and hours a weeks farming garbage.
I wish when I saw an armor drop on my main with triple hundred capable armor, that it even occurred to me to double check the drops. Armor is so worthless because you can’t get random perks. Imagine how hype armor would be of it got random rolls and then you could upgrade it with real expensive materials to get the mod slots and energy.
@@neosharkey7401 They said that they making armor 3.0 in frontiers with set bonuses. Personally i like the current mod setup since armor is the least important compared to exotics and abilities and i don’t have to deal with more dog RGN upon dog RNG until eventually we get armor crafting.
The lack of actual target farming can be mitigated through increasing the loot drops since we're already getting tons of random trash rolls instead of craftable god rolls. But Bungie is just not generous, ever.
People got tired of crafting they cried like yanno how the destiny community is always whining about something so they got what they wanted gotta farm for the roll I personally loved crafting grind your ass off to get the red boarders and then craft exactly what you wanted. Thought crafting was a beautiful thing tbh I get they couldn’t make every weapon craft able but they could’ve made 1/2 of these craft able and the other half you gotta farm for. That way both people get what they want and you don’t got the chance of getting the weapon you want let alone the roll you want when you got like 11 guns dropping. Ridiculous tbh it was hard to get a gun to drop in a dungeon let alone the roll you wanted and that was like 3 guns in rotation now you have this many in that na I’m good.
I remember seeing a meme on reddit where it's like "Guys.... I think I miss umbral engrams" And I felt that on a deep level. Not being able to focus or attune anything SUUUCKS
Was waiting for some nonsense (not directed at you but a lot of content creators have been complaining about random things to get clicks) but this is a valid point. The weapons should be tied to each activity imo
That was so ass. Alethonym was the first gun I got to 4k kills in a month. Like a month when other guns took me a year since I never stick to 1 weapon that long
My "Favorite" thing about the tonics is how I wanted to focus Sojourner's Tale, but... apparently, I also have a chance at getting other Splicer weapons too. No, that doesn't make any sense. If I wanted the other weapons, I'd use THOSE Tonics. It's literally just a waste of a weapon drop at that point. Yea, sure it's good for players that don't have those particular tonics but I seriously doubt most casuals are grinding tonics lmao. Let me just focus A SINGLE WEAPON with the tonics. Thank.
I will never understand why MW rerolling was something that MW weapons originally had and then they REMOVED IT with Forsaken. You still have to get 4/4 for perks, getting a 4/5 because you have a bad MW is just a horrible feeling tbh. That's one feature they never should have removed.
@@GryphinHuskyyeah man they should’ve kept MW re-rolling in. That was so clutch, make it when you enhance the weapon you can re roll the MW and not just adept weapons. Even if you gotta level the weapon up whatever but make it where you don’t gotta delete a 4/5 because some master works on weapons are huge and make or break in some content
I just think when you take away crafting that the loot drops should be increased because by act 2 all the weapons are dropping and the pool is pretty big, so focusing isn’t really available. I just don’t understand why bungie doesn’t see this.
Yeah the crafting being taken away was the dumbest thing I’ve seen right up with content vaulting. You’re definitely taking a massive gamble with your player count retention by doing that. Hopefully it is brought back by next episode. I get the mixed opinions on crafting saying it made people only log on get the pattern then stop. But I would honestly hope people aren’t that slow to also say that crafting ruined the game. It’s your choice to craft weapons in the game or focus them or play the game normally.
the thing i hate the most is the stuff you need to farm for the weapons you have to do the activity so many times before you can try to focus the weapons but then the drops are still random with it so you still might not even get that weapon drop. it is horrible design
Tbh i think that besides onslaught salvation being a game mode that bungie actually built upon it does everything worse than normal onslaught 1. Like you talked about in the video the lack of a true focusing system makes getting weapons feel absolutely terrible, also no currency like the brave tokens to purchase additional weapons means less drops overall. 2. The new additions felt a little too pointless/annoying. nobody uses the new turrets or air strikes ,largely due to how powerful we are now. Some of the challenge rounds also feel annoying take for instance the shielded guys (especially when theres 3) when they get paired with a bane like the void/arc tether bane. 3. The time issue, somehow someway a person at bungie decided that the major part of building upon onslaught that they were gonna choose to focus on was the time wasting part. Og onslaught it wasn’t too bad as it only took a min at most (still annoying), salvation makes it take far longer at 2-3 min at the worst making the drops/min ratio be worse bc now you have to spend even longer in the time wasting section 4. Little more nit picky but the lack of a 50 wave emblem for the harder version + shiny weapons not being different from their normal counterparts just adds more to the pile of why onslaught 2.0 is worse
Agree with everything. The tonic system is absolutely awful. And, the fact that gear-specific tonics also drop other gear, and not that loot specifically, I mean...what's the point?
@2:50 Yes, but at least with red borders, they're on a knockout system meaning that eventually I'll get the pattern even if I never get a single regular drop of the weapon.
To me the biggest issue is the fact that the loot pool is the same for all the activities, why play something with no loot ? And this season is the worst, onslaught without Brave weapons and/or shiny rolls ? Tomb of elders with no new weapons/armor and will disapear with the next expansion ? Bungie is just shitting on us at this point
The World Drop loot pool would be nice if you could focus them as well. Wanted a Discord/Chain Reaction + Wild Card Shotty for awhile, but it’s one of the few weapons you can’t farm even through Lost Sectors
Damn. If only we could share weapons like they tested in the early days of Destiny 1s development I would happily give you what you’re looking for. I have 5 of those.
Bungie said that they made all the story content available on the first day of the new episode. This was a change that they hyped up claiming it would be better than the drip feed they were doing. This episode comprised of one mission one cutscene and 3x seasonal event. Could you imagine Bungie drip feeding this "content" over weeks and weeks.
the activities are alright, but the quality of rewards is the worst it has ever been. i have little motivation to play because i want my time respected. sure, i can play for fun but i want loot. i dont go to my job for fun- i go to get paid. i need meaningful loot that respects the time and effort to clear the activity so i can be motivated to run the content.
You are 100% right, crafting did nothing wrong and a majority of D2 content creators are spoiling the game for the rest of the remaining playerbase. The dungeons are where your shitty little loot chase is, its their entire purpose, stay there
@@Tycholarfero D2 players are RNG gambling addicts, its all bout the feeling of dropping a GOD ROLL, thats the problem, thats why they hate crafting...
Preach, this whole tonic system is crap. If you pop a tonic, that should be the weapon that drops, period. It's annoying as hell. I literally ran a tomb of elders, had the tonic for the smg to drop, got all hand cannons.
What's worse is paying for an episode only to realize they removed what you paid for which was red borders and presented to you with less powerful weapons. Besides the lackluster episode story and gameplay that's not innovated. Hence, they buff them up for the episode only to nerf them in the next update and make them completely useless. Bungie themselves can't find a medium because they never made one and you can all thank the leaders at that company. I recommend trying Warframe over this game based on the issue D2 has those things are vastly different on there and will make you feel that you aren't wasting time.
Focus tonics don’t work, perks still feel weighted. Farming shotgun for days now and haven’t seen closing time. I also did an entire run focusing shotgun and didn’t get one. Got 5 hand cannons. F this
You know what could help with the problem of "fighting the loot pool?" CRAFTING, YEAH THAT THING THAT BUNGIE TOOK OUT OF THE SEASONAL PROGRESSION FOR SOME REASON. I knew this would come back into a circle. Pure idiots running this game, man.
In regards to the loot pool problem, they could also implement Warframe's ABC reward rotator. I haven't played ACT II at all, but something like ACT I first room, ACT II next, repeat ad finatum. That way, a new player in ACT III can still get everything at a decent pace. I'd still want an attunement system, regardless too.
My biggest issue is if they want crafting gone we need a more permanent solution to vault space because now instead of me getting all the weapon patterns this season and only crafting the weapons that I will use I only got one or two weapons to get
tbf this is mainly because we as a community can't decide on a reward structure to like & because bungie willy nilly changes the reward structure everytime there's a big enough stir we've had like 8 reward structures over the coarse of D2 alone, it's insane
Honestly they need to make sharing a thing like the Division. Make it to where we can drop weapons and gear to other people who are less fortunate. That’s what I’ll forever praise about The Division series is sharing loot, build variety and the gameplay.
To me there are 2 ways to fix tonics. 1 They work through the till the end of the next/current activity. Or 2 you can use multiple at the same time so the timers are significantly longer. Or even better, both, so I can set them all at the beginning of a session and not have to worry about a few minor buffs every 20mins.
The biggest issue has to be removing pinnacle activity rewards from certain activities without adding new or different ways to gain pinnacle levels. It is especially bad because, the definitive event in the episode usually requires you to be at a high power level. Getting plus 1 pinnacles from select activities and having to pray you get the right pinnacles from the raid is not fun.
They need to fix the pinnacle drops, too. I've needed a 2010 helmet to get to Max for three weeks. I do every pinnacle I can and still no helm. It is frustrating
The tonic system was a half baked idea that got pushed through to release when all it would have taken was 3 additional seconds of logical thought to realize that it is trash fire terrible. The volatile tonics are at least serviceable, if I'm being generous. The enriching tonics are garbage and need to be taken out back and shot. Twice. They do NOT work. At all. Getting 5 ignition codes before a single Chroma Rush while using the Chroma Rush tonic is asinine. If this is the future of weapon "focusing" in exchange for crafting or even previous onslaught focusing, then I want nothing to do with it.
I don’t mind the episode structure and it gives variety. But my issue is just how formulaic the activities feel. Contest of elders has the exact same encounters every time you run it and only the order is random. It’s just dull to run back to back as you already know what’s coming. They should have implemented the same score system from the menagerie to speed up runs and allow for more randomness.
I 100% agree with you. I am having the same issue all the contest of elders drops have been hand cannons and GLs. Even with a tonic in use for the weapon I am trying to farm for it still has the old weapons in that as well and get those more than the focused weapon. It's is terrible!
@Jereb343 You still have to do that even when chasing craftable weapons the only difference is instead of spending 4000 hours trying to get a weapon that will be nerfed in a few months, you play till you get what you want add discover a shocking fact that you actually enjoy the activity when you're not chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
@@alextheabysskiller7209 you could literally just log in every week to buy the guaranteed red border (people got upset when a season didn't include a weekly guaranteed red border upgrade) or just spend the deepsight harmonizers we got to get the pattern right away
Honestly, the decision to remove crafting and adding the current loot system for episodes is not to address players concerns but actually try to get people to play the game for longer sessions, but Bungie forgets that the majority of players don't have the luxury of playing for an extended amount of time, and they end up alienating most of the player base and thus driving them away and instead play any other game, this is another season that putting the least amount of hours, haven't even finished my first 100 tiers of the battle pass...
It’s quite annoying that the one chest on the left in elders doesn’t give anything. I guarantee if the chest was bugged in a way where we were able to hit it unlimitedly for loot it would already be patched. I bet that chest doesn’t give loot the entire act.
I actually like the Tonic system as a focus tool more than the onslaught variant. I think if they had an auto refresh option for the tonics it would change everything, because I do forget to use my tonics all the time. Altough I see completing the act 2 activities increased the duration which is helpful so expect act 3 tonics to probably last an hour and half. Reason why I think the tonic focus system is good is because I can pop a tonic and get bonus versions of that specific weapon from ANY activity in the game or from just randomly killing guys while doing literally anything. This means while doing any other activities, (raids, dungeons, GM nightfall, pale heart, strikes, dares, gambit) I am still getting drops of the weapon I am trying to farm. I don't have to only farm the seasonal activity to get the drops. Also you have the potential to get way more drops as you can get the weapons from enemies not just activity chests or completions. I do agree that the normal drops should be focused to the activity your doing. For example the episode 1 weapons should only drop from that activity normally, but if im still farming a weapon from that pool i can use a tonic to focus that in the act 2 activity if I wanted while only the act 2 weapon dropped from that activity. As for episodic content. I think the allowing everything to be completed day 1 in a season/episode was a good choice for story elements. I think for gameplay progression and unlocks it was a bad choice for this episode in particular and this could be something that is fixed or worked out better later. This was a last minute pivot and adjusting this episode to that new day 1 system is probably what cause a lot of issues. I think slowly unlocking the tonic systems and upgrades through the act would have allowed a better learning system to be in place for people to learn and understand how to use them rather then dumping all the tonic mechanics day 1 and expecting people to understand it. It also would have let the fieldwork mission bugs get worked out before it drastically impacted the entire communities experience. Hoping they have a better learning/progression system in place for episode 3 so people don't get lost with whatever mechanics they introduce for that episode.
add on top of inflating the loot pool we have fomo as everything will be gone, and often by the time its even worth farming for weapons, crafting has just highlighted the issues of destinys loot drops, what we need is the chalice from season of opulence, potions are meant to be like that but have used the sidearm one in multiple runs of the new activity and seen zero -.-
my biggest personal issue is that the rates on the tonics actually giving you what youre focusing for seems really low, i dont think they are working right
Doing constest of elders for the smg. I got a jolting feedback with unrelenting but no reload increasing perks sadly. So even though I’m farming for the SMG with tonics the shotgun and hand cannon still drops more often than anything, to the point I never see any other weapons from the season
Crafting can actually saves a lot of storage spaces, and saves A LOT of grinding time which is ( to be honest) most of the new act activities and quite tedious & boring ( even with the ads randomness ). And no we dont want Tonics, cant keep up with the timer, the extra buffs to proc certain perks, again be mindful it might run out midfight & to manually reapply. No no no... Im glad a youtuber actually talks about this.
On top of all that, you dont always get tomb flake when you complete a run is just kinda annoying imo..Also, I feel like it was a missed opportunity to bring back the old prison weapons....
First they fixed the extra perk drop of world weapon , secondary the Shiny drop chance is a myth . I don’t know what Dev doing right now , Your can have 4 perk weapon cause of bug ( but that so much better everytime world weapon drop ) now they fixed that and only drop in complete lost sector with 3 perk ( wtf ) more perk options is the way player seek for better loot ( master raid challenge reward ) and they don’t even realize , that doesn’t break the game , instead of chasing 5/5 god roll , now is 7/7 cause extra perk .
Hmm, if only there was a way to solve the issue of not getting the drops you wanted, maybe by letting players find special versions of the weapons they want, and after collecting enough of those special versions, maybe 5, you’d have access to all the god rolls. And maybe you could focus one of those special versions for a weapon of your choice each week, so you’d never have to worry about being screwed over by bad rng, and could get all the weapons you wanted, even if you had bad luck farming. If only we had a system like that in game for our seasonal loot.
Crafting definitely spoiled us. I personally like the NEW seasonal weapons not being craftable. But I think the reprised weapons should be craftable. Same with raid weapons. The newest raids weapons should not be craftable but when the raid gets reprised 2 years later they should become craftable. But also I agree with what you're saying about the way loot works right now its almost pointless to play acts 1 and 2. The tonics suck at focusing as well. But I am not too upset by it all. Bungie is trying to find a way to make things work and that requires some trial and error. Hopefully in act 3 the tonics actually work properly though.
Not only does it suck to get 50 weapons I don't need. The contest of elders is buggy af, the dungeon is buggy af, I feel unrewarded for my time. Half the time, the tonics work as there are moments where I'm getting so much, and then I don't get em for the rest of the tonic. The double loot in the dungeon has been atrocious for me. Rng feels like trash. I would rather have no crafting of a weapon with the ability to focus it than have crafting.
I hear and agree with you, and so does my clan - the new loot should have just been available on Act 2 activities to and Act 1 loot confined to onslaught activities to target farm with the tonics.
I think seasonal activities should have pathfinders just like the pale heart but a focusing weapon method so people will atleast have weekly chances on all their characters...
I have been stuck on 2009 gauntlets through 50+ pinnacle drops and therefore cannot get 2010. They need to have better focusing options for everything!
The tonics ruined it for me, because the thing that every destiny player loves is new material to farm (which they always eventually get rid of but for some reason introduce it in new content). Also onslaught salvation is a worse version of normal onslaught. Plus this episode feels so buggy. I try playing this episode but I just get so bored.
They should have made it so completing certain objectives in each mode awards a certain weapon. Focusing is just another layer to the system of rng that doesn’t add anything meaningful to the game.
Armor needs to stop dropping unless attuned for, farming a featured raid/dungeon etc for a specific weapon roll and have 70% of your drops being armor is stupid. If it's not artifice I'll never need more than 1 of any armor piece.
Ngl playing other looter shooters (First Descendant, Borderlands, Divsion), I realize Destiny 2 kinda sucks in the looter aspect of a looter shooter. In those games, you can get xyz loot from mission completions, boss kills, chests/interactables in the open world, and even just common enemies. D2 kinda does that, but you get like one weapon and an armor piece; other games, you’ll leave and activity with like 15+ items dropped, between killing enemies/bosses, looting chests, and just doing the activity.
ALSO I PAID FOR THE PREVIOUS SEASON PASS BUT I COULDN'T PLAY SO BUNGIE REMOVES IT WHEN A NEW SEASON IS ADDED, SO ALL THAT LOOT FROM THE PREVIOUS SEASON (RED DEATH, EXOTIC ENGRAMS, DEEPSIGHT HARMONIZERS ETC) BUNGIE SCAMMED ME!!! WHY HASN'T ANYONE TAKEN BUNGIE TO COURT FOR THE REMOVING OF SEASON PASSES THAT YOU PAID FOR???
IMHO they brought back Onslaught way too soon and no sane person wants to do something that time consuming for the most optimal payout for sidegrade whatever seasonal loot. Brave weapons were excellent and worth chasing. This also doesn't get into general burnout where everybody ran Onslaught to death, and sure it deserves more locations and expansion, but it's just not appealing when none of the stuff you really care about.
Tonics are so ass bruh💀if the weapon specific tonics aren’t gonna guarantee the weapon that it’s a tonic for on a drop then there needs to be a drastic increase in drops. Also they’re never gonna have separate pools bc you’ll get the rolls so much faster and play less for the act 2 and 3 weapons and they can’t have that. They love artificially inflating playtime
I hate the tonics i havent been able to play a ton this season. I havent unlocked them all and man i keep having to get more materials. Its irritating.
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I HATE having to manage Tonic timers
I barely even use tonics lqtm 🤭
I really feel like a simple auto refresh option you could toggle on or off would be a game changer.
They are almost useless
Specially the weapon tonic
same, I dont do any of them
I literally think the weapon tonics give me every weapon but the weapon that it’s focusing. Probably just my rng unless other people are seeing this as well. Ultimately, I am getting more loot at the end of the day, but at that point, just make a single tonic for more weapons
Basically, just bring back the Menagerie attunement mechanic.
Everything said here is why I'm annoyed. I only wanted to farm the shotgun in Act 2, I can't focus it, the RNG keep giving me Act 1 weapons and the t reprised weapons, make it make sense and the tonics don't even bloody work
You can focus it though.
@Based_Shogun the focusing doesn't work fam I pop that tonic and barely get drops, that's the point he's bringing across.
The focusing does not work.
tonics
@@NeoSlyfer most be ur rng man. I got like 20 shotguns last night
I ran a Vespers host last night, drank a purple Chroma Rush potion. I got 6 Ignition Codes. I got a Chroma at the boss chest AFTER it expired.
i feel like that's a bug, because during the first week of the episode i would chug a bitter/sweet tonic, and be absolutely swimming in bitter/sweet drops. but lately, i pop one, and most of the time, i get something else. unless i got really, really lucky for the first like 12 hours of the episode, i think something broke.
Lol imagine thinking tonics actually do something.
Into the light focusing was so much better, would actually get the weapon and possible shiny
Drank one for Gridksipper and did 2 full runs of Contest of Elders. Not a single gridskipper dropped.
@@aragornelesar3862grid skipper tonic work i can confirm since im afk farming it forever in mission
The game feels horribly unrewarding. I don’t need armor. I want weapons. I need to be able to tell the game what I do and don’t want in my loot pool because I’m deleting 99% of my drops right now and feel like every time I log in I’m wasting hours chasing something I’ll never get. Crafting fixed this because at least the trash was letting me progress towards being able to make what I want. But apparently we can’t have nice things
Exactly this. I’m all for crafting and no one can change my mind. If there was way to target farm what we want, then we wouldn’t be spending hours and hours a weeks farming garbage.
I wish when I saw an armor drop on my main with triple hundred capable armor, that it even occurred to me to double check the drops.
Armor is so worthless because you can’t get random perks. Imagine how hype armor would be of it got random rolls and then you could upgrade it with real expensive materials to get the mod slots and energy.
@@neosharkey7401 They said that they making armor 3.0 in frontiers with set bonuses. Personally i like the current mod setup since armor is the least important compared to exotics and abilities and i don’t have to deal with more dog RGN upon dog RNG until eventually we get armor crafting.
Exactly.
Oh and by the way , more vault space. No crafting leads to collecting semi god rolls, while in search of the exact one.
The lack of actual target farming can be mitigated through increasing the loot drops since we're already getting tons of random trash rolls instead of craftable god rolls. But Bungie is just not generous, ever.
To be fair they gave us a couple God rolls because of perk weighting but I understand your point
"Ever" is an overstatement, but I get the point
People got tired of crafting they cried like yanno how the destiny community is always whining about something so they got what they wanted gotta farm for the roll I personally loved crafting grind your ass off to get the red boarders and then craft exactly what you wanted. Thought crafting was a beautiful thing tbh I get they couldn’t make every weapon craft able but they could’ve made 1/2 of these craft able and the other half you gotta farm for. That way both people get what they want and you don’t got the chance of getting the weapon you want let alone the roll you want when you got like 11 guns dropping. Ridiculous tbh it was hard to get a gun to drop in a dungeon let alone the roll you wanted and that was like 3 guns in rotation now you have this many in that na I’m good.
I remember seeing a meme on reddit where it's like "Guys.... I think I miss umbral engrams" And I felt that on a deep level. Not being able to focus or attune anything SUUUCKS
Was waiting for some nonsense (not directed at you but a lot of content creators have been complaining about random things to get clicks) but this is a valid point. The weapons should be tied to each activity imo
The tonic system just also sucks
dont forget that "THEY PUT SEASONAL EXOTIC CATALYST IN ACT 2"
That was so ass. Alethonym was the first gun I got to 4k kills in a month. Like a month when other guns took me a year since I never stick to 1 weapon that long
My "Favorite" thing about the tonics is how I wanted to focus Sojourner's Tale, but... apparently, I also have a chance at getting other Splicer weapons too.
No, that doesn't make any sense.
If I wanted the other weapons, I'd use THOSE Tonics.
It's literally just a waste of a weapon drop at that point. Yea, sure it's good for players that don't have those particular tonics but I seriously doubt most casuals are grinding tonics lmao.
Let me just focus A SINGLE WEAPON with the tonics.
Thank.
I love how when I focus a weapons I get everything but that weapon
Regular (non-craftable) weapons need a rework via targeted farming, MW re-rolling, better perk pool. Tonics suck badly.
I will never understand why MW rerolling was something that MW weapons originally had and then they REMOVED IT with Forsaken. You still have to get 4/4 for perks, getting a 4/5 because you have a bad MW is just a horrible feeling tbh. That's one feature they never should have removed.
@@GryphinHuskyyeah man they should’ve kept MW re-rolling in. That was so clutch, make it when you enhance the weapon you can re roll the MW and not just adept weapons. Even if you gotta level the weapon up whatever but make it where you don’t gotta delete a 4/5 because some master works on weapons are huge and make or break in some content
I just think when you take away crafting that the loot drops should be increased because by act 2 all the weapons are dropping and the pool is pretty big, so focusing isn’t really available.
I just don’t understand why bungie doesn’t see this.
Yeah the crafting being taken away was the dumbest thing I’ve seen right up with content vaulting. You’re definitely taking a massive gamble with your player count retention by doing that.
Hopefully it is brought back by next episode. I get the mixed opinions on crafting saying it made people only log on get the pattern then stop.
But I would honestly hope people aren’t that slow to also say that crafting ruined the game. It’s your choice to craft weapons in the game or focus them or play the game normally.
the thing i hate the most is the stuff you need to farm for the weapons you have to do the activity so many times before you can try to focus the weapons but then the drops are still random with it so you still might not even get that weapon drop. it is horrible design
Tbh i think that besides onslaught salvation being a game mode that bungie actually built upon it does everything worse than normal onslaught
1. Like you talked about in the video the lack of a true focusing system makes getting weapons feel absolutely terrible, also no currency like the brave tokens to purchase additional weapons means less drops overall.
2. The new additions felt a little too pointless/annoying. nobody uses the new turrets or air strikes ,largely due to how powerful we are now. Some of the challenge rounds also feel annoying take for instance the shielded guys (especially when theres 3) when they get paired with a bane like the void/arc tether bane.
3. The time issue, somehow someway a person at bungie decided that the major part of building upon onslaught that they were gonna choose to focus on was the time wasting part. Og onslaught it wasn’t too bad as it only took a min at most (still annoying), salvation makes it take far longer at 2-3 min at the worst making the drops/min ratio be worse bc now you have to spend even longer in the time wasting section
4. Little more nit picky but the lack of a 50 wave emblem for the harder version + shiny weapons not being different from their normal counterparts just adds more to the pile of why onslaught 2.0 is worse
Agree with everything. The tonic system is absolutely awful. And, the fact that gear-specific tonics also drop other gear, and not that loot specifically, I mean...what's the point?
Pop a tonic for the smg, after full run of contest of elders get 1 drop😢
Were you getting tons of shotguns? I think it’s bugged where SG drops GL, and I think SMG drops SG
@@Frap710 Interesting... I was popping shotgun tonics and getting alot of SMGs.
@2:50 Yes, but at least with red borders, they're on a knockout system meaning that eventually I'll get the pattern even if I never get a single regular drop of the weapon.
I didn’t grind the weapons during act 1 and was just thinking this morning how nice it is that I don’t have to go back and grind Salvation Onslaught.
To me the biggest issue is the fact that the loot pool is the same for all the activities, why play something with no loot ? And this season is the worst, onslaught without Brave weapons and/or shiny rolls ? Tomb of elders with no new weapons/armor and will disapear with the next expansion ? Bungie is just shitting on us at this point
After getting all armor pieces in the dungeons, normal mode should ONLY grant weapons. I’m tired of grinding for hours to not even see the gun I want
The World Drop loot pool would be nice if you could focus them as well. Wanted a Discord/Chain Reaction + Wild Card Shotty for awhile, but it’s one of the few weapons you can’t farm even through Lost Sectors
Damn. If only we could share weapons like they tested in the early days of Destiny 1s development I would happily give you what you’re looking for. I have 5 of those.
Bungie said that they made all the story content available on the first day of the new episode. This was a change that they hyped up claiming it would be better than the drip feed they were doing.
This episode comprised of one mission one cutscene and 3x seasonal event.
Could you imagine Bungie drip feeding this "content" over weeks and weeks.
the activities are alright, but the quality of rewards is the worst it has ever been.
i have little motivation to play because i want my time respected.
sure, i can play for fun but i want loot.
i dont go to my job for fun- i go to get paid.
i need meaningful loot that respects the time and effort to clear the activity so i can be motivated to run the content.
I just want focusing back no reason they got rid of it when before crafting we were able to focus for our weapons
I love the hamster wheel that doesn't respect my time investment. 🙃
its a RNG loot base game its not gonna respect your time no matter what
Destiny player when the live service grind game wants you to spend a ton of time grinding
Destiny player at 23:59 - Crafting has killed the farm.
Destiny player at 00:00 - I don't want to farm anymore, bring crafting back.
2:20
Actually watch the video
@@vanillite4216 So stop crying and go farm your little gun for days and never get what you want
@@Raio_arma what are you yapping about lmao
You are 100% right, crafting did nothing wrong and a majority of D2 content creators are spoiling the game for the rest of the remaining playerbase. The dungeons are where your shitty little loot chase is, its their entire purpose, stay there
@@Tycholarfero D2 players are RNG gambling addicts, its all bout the feeling of dropping a GOD ROLL, thats the problem, thats why they hate crafting...
Yea, agreed. Honestly, Im not really feeling these acts overall... I love the dungeon and MAYBE Iron Banner, but that's about it. 😢
I have no issue.
I don’t play.
Real
Preach, this whole tonic system is crap. If you pop a tonic, that should be the weapon that drops, period. It's annoying as hell. I literally ran a tomb of elders, had the tonic for the smg to drop, got all hand cannons.
exactly cant focus the weapon through engrams so whats the point of making revenant engrams
Gotten 100+ bitter/sweets, none with envious arsenal/ bns. It is indeed frustrating. The tonics feel bugged a lot of the times too
What's worse is paying for an episode only to realize they removed what you paid for which was red borders and presented to you with less powerful weapons. Besides the lackluster episode story and gameplay that's not innovated. Hence, they buff them up for the episode only to nerf them in the next update and make them completely useless. Bungie themselves can't find a medium because they never made one and you can all thank the leaders at that company. I recommend trying Warframe over this game based on the issue D2 has those things are vastly different on there and will make you feel that you aren't wasting time.
Focus tonics don’t work, perks still feel weighted. Farming shotgun for days now and haven’t seen closing time. I also did an entire run focusing shotgun and didn’t get one. Got 5 hand cannons. F this
You know what could help with the problem of "fighting the loot pool?" CRAFTING, YEAH THAT THING THAT BUNGIE TOOK OUT OF THE SEASONAL PROGRESSION FOR SOME REASON. I knew this would come back into a circle. Pure idiots running this game, man.
In regards to the loot pool problem, they could also implement Warframe's ABC reward rotator. I haven't played ACT II at all, but something like ACT I first room, ACT II next, repeat ad finatum. That way, a new player in ACT III can still get everything at a decent pace. I'd still want an attunement system, regardless too.
My biggest issue is if they want crafting gone we need a more permanent solution to vault space because now instead of me getting all the weapon patterns this season and only crafting the weapons that I will use I only got one or two weapons to get
tbf this is mainly because we as a community can't decide on a reward structure to like & because bungie willy nilly changes the reward structure everytime there's a big enough stir
we've had like 8 reward structures over the coarse of D2 alone, it's insane
Honestly they need to make sharing a thing like the Division. Make it to where we can drop weapons and gear to other people who are less fortunate. That’s what I’ll forever praise about The Division series is sharing loot, build variety and the gameplay.
To me there are 2 ways to fix tonics. 1 They work through the till the end of the next/current activity. Or 2 you can use multiple at the same time so the timers are significantly longer. Or even better, both, so I can set them all at the beginning of a session and not have to worry about a few minor buffs every 20mins.
The biggest issue has to be removing pinnacle activity rewards from certain activities without adding new or different ways to gain pinnacle levels. It is especially bad because, the definitive event in the episode usually requires you to be at a high power level. Getting plus 1 pinnacles from select activities and having to pray you get the right pinnacles from the raid is not fun.
They need to fix the pinnacle drops, too. I've needed a 2010 helmet to get to Max for three weeks. I do every pinnacle I can and still no helm. It is frustrating
The tonic system was a half baked idea that got pushed through to release when all it would have taken was 3 additional seconds of logical thought to realize that it is trash fire terrible. The volatile tonics are at least serviceable, if I'm being generous. The enriching tonics are garbage and need to be taken out back and shot. Twice. They do NOT work. At all. Getting 5 ignition codes before a single Chroma Rush while using the Chroma Rush tonic is asinine. If this is the future of weapon "focusing" in exchange for crafting or even previous onslaught focusing, then I want nothing to do with it.
I don’t mind the episode structure and it gives variety. But my issue is just how formulaic the activities feel. Contest of elders has the exact same encounters every time you run it and only the order is random. It’s just dull to run back to back as you already know what’s coming. They should have implemented the same score system from the menagerie to speed up runs and allow for more randomness.
making this seasons weapons non-craftable was a huge mistake
I 100% agree with you. I am having the same issue all the contest of elders drops have been hand cannons and GLs. Even with a tonic in use for the weapon I am trying to farm for it still has the old weapons in that as well and get those more than the focused weapon. It's is terrible!
See what happens when we have no crafting!!!
You have to play the videogame to earn rewards and we all know that's every destiny players worst nightmare
@@Jereb343Destiny has had crafting for almost 4 years, did you just join yesterday?
@Jereb343
You still have to do that even when chasing craftable weapons
the only difference is instead of spending 4000 hours trying to get a weapon that will be nerfed in a few months, you play till you get what you want add discover a shocking fact that you actually enjoy the activity when you're not chasing the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
@@Jereb343wtf are you on about? we have to play the game red borders or to get engrams for red borders
@@alextheabysskiller7209 you could literally just log in every week to buy the guaranteed red border (people got upset when a season didn't include a weekly guaranteed red border upgrade) or just spend the deepsight harmonizers we got to get the pattern right away
I still have to be convinced that tonics are not bugged. Never seem to actually get the weapons that the tonic should focus.
Honestly, the decision to remove crafting and adding the current loot system for episodes is not to address players concerns but actually try to get people to play the game for longer sessions, but Bungie forgets that the majority of players don't have the luxury of playing for an extended amount of time, and they end up alienating most of the player base and thus driving them away and instead play any other game, this is another season that putting the least amount of hours, haven't even finished my first 100 tiers of the battle pass...
When they said that the person running rewards at the time would become game director, I was concerned. Now we are seeing the results of that.
Bring back crafting>>
It’s quite annoying that the one chest on the left in elders doesn’t give anything.
I guarantee if the chest was bugged in a way where we were able to hit it unlimitedly for loot it would already be patched. I bet that chest doesn’t give loot the entire act.
I actually like the Tonic system as a focus tool more than the onslaught variant. I think if they had an auto refresh option for the tonics it would change everything, because I do forget to use my tonics all the time. Altough I see completing the act 2 activities increased the duration which is helpful so expect act 3 tonics to probably last an hour and half.
Reason why I think the tonic focus system is good is because I can pop a tonic and get bonus versions of that specific weapon from ANY activity in the game or from just randomly killing guys while doing literally anything. This means while doing any other activities, (raids, dungeons, GM nightfall, pale heart, strikes, dares, gambit) I am still getting drops of the weapon I am trying to farm. I don't have to only farm the seasonal activity to get the drops. Also you have the potential to get way more drops as you can get the weapons from enemies not just activity chests or completions.
I do agree that the normal drops should be focused to the activity your doing. For example the episode 1 weapons should only drop from that activity normally, but if im still farming a weapon from that pool i can use a tonic to focus that in the act 2 activity if I wanted while only the act 2 weapon dropped from that activity.
As for episodic content. I think the allowing everything to be completed day 1 in a season/episode was a good choice for story elements. I think for gameplay progression and unlocks it was a bad choice for this episode in particular and this could be something that is fixed or worked out better later. This was a last minute pivot and adjusting this episode to that new day 1 system is probably what cause a lot of issues. I think slowly unlocking the tonic systems and upgrades through the act would have allowed a better learning system to be in place for people to learn and understand how to use them rather then dumping all the tonic mechanics day 1 and expecting people to understand it. It also would have let the fieldwork mission bugs get worked out before it drastically impacted the entire communities experience.
Hoping they have a better learning/progression system in place for episode 3 so people don't get lost with whatever mechanics they introduce for that episode.
add on top of inflating the loot pool we have fomo as everything will be gone, and often by the time its even worth farming for weapons, crafting has just highlighted the issues of destinys loot drops, what we need is the chalice from season of opulence, potions are meant to be like that but have used the sidearm one in multiple runs of the new activity and seen zero -.-
my biggest personal issue is that the rates on the tonics actually giving you what youre focusing for seems really low, i dont think they are working right
Menagerie and hunt weapon perk pool narrowing was really cool and I think it would help a lot.
Doing constest of elders for the smg. I got a jolting feedback with unrelenting but no reload increasing perks sadly. So even though I’m farming for the SMG with tonics the shotgun and hand cannon still drops more often than anything, to the point I never see any other weapons from the season
Crafting can actually saves a lot of storage spaces, and saves A LOT of grinding time which is ( to be honest) most of the new act activities and quite tedious & boring ( even with the ads randomness ). And no we dont want Tonics, cant keep up with the timer, the extra buffs to proc certain perks, again be mindful it might run out midfight & to manually reapply. No no no...
Im glad a youtuber actually talks about this.
The only reason I'd go back to onslaught is to complete a couple more triumphs
On top of all that, you dont always get tomb flake when you complete a run is just kinda annoying imo..Also, I feel like it was a missed opportunity to bring back the old prison weapons....
tbh i don't even want to farm act 1, been doing too much onslaught in into the light😂 now a seasonal activity doing the same thing?
Tedious is the right word, the system now is redundant. Thx for being one of the few who calls it like it is.
First they fixed the extra perk drop of world weapon , secondary the Shiny drop chance is a myth . I don’t know what Dev doing right now , Your can have 4 perk weapon cause of bug ( but that so much better everytime world weapon drop ) now they fixed that and only drop in complete lost sector with 3 perk ( wtf ) more perk options is the way player seek for better loot ( master raid challenge reward ) and they don’t even realize , that doesn’t break the game , instead of chasing 5/5 god roll , now is 7/7 cause extra perk .
I can't even make the tonics lol. After I gather resources nothing pops up for me to make the potion and taste test it
Hmm, if only there was a way to solve the issue of not getting the drops you wanted, maybe by letting players find special versions of the weapons they want, and after collecting enough of those special versions, maybe 5, you’d have access to all the god rolls. And maybe you could focus one of those special versions for a weapon of your choice each week, so you’d never have to worry about being screwed over by bad rng, and could get all the weapons you wanted, even if you had bad luck farming. If only we had a system like that in game for our seasonal loot.
Crafting definitely spoiled us. I personally like the NEW seasonal weapons not being craftable. But I think the reprised weapons should be craftable. Same with raid weapons. The newest raids weapons should not be craftable but when the raid gets reprised 2 years later they should become craftable. But also I agree with what you're saying about the way loot works right now its almost pointless to play acts 1 and 2. The tonics suck at focusing as well. But I am not too upset by it all. Bungie is trying to find a way to make things work and that requires some trial and error. Hopefully in act 3 the tonics actually work properly though.
Not only does it suck to get 50 weapons I don't need. The contest of elders is buggy af, the dungeon is buggy af, I feel unrewarded for my time. Half the time, the tonics work as there are moments where I'm getting so much, and then I don't get em for the rest of the tonic. The double loot in the dungeon has been atrocious for me. Rng feels like trash. I would rather have no crafting of a weapon with the ability to focus it than have crafting.
I hear and agree with you, and so does my clan - the new loot should have just been available on Act 2 activities to and Act 1 loot confined to
onslaught activities to target farm with the tonics.
I think seasonal activities should have pathfinders just like the pale heart but a focusing weapon method so people will atleast have weekly chances on all their characters...
Let alone the tonics haven't worked for me either, where's the mastered worked guns with double perks?
I have been stuck on 2009 gauntlets through 50+ pinnacle drops and therefore cannot get 2010. They need to have better focusing options for everything!
I don't even bother to play the activities since they aren't crafted.
Rng in destiny is awful.
when you pop a shotgun tonic and get 8 smgs, 4 handcannons, a couple gls, and no shotguns in a contest of elders run 😹😹
Who couldve though removing crafting from the most boring, stale, and mind-numbing activities in the game would be awful?
I haven’t taken a tonic In a month. Completely forgot about them.
The tonics ruined it for me, because the thing that every destiny player loves is new material to farm (which they always eventually get rid of but for some reason introduce it in new content). Also onslaught salvation is a worse version of normal onslaught. Plus this episode feels so buggy. I try playing this episode but I just get so bored.
I got on for the first time in like 5 months and then immediately closed the app after checking out the last city
They should have made it so completing certain objectives in each mode awards a certain weapon. Focusing is just another layer to the system of rng that doesn’t add anything meaningful to the game.
Armor needs to stop dropping unless attuned for, farming a featured raid/dungeon etc for a specific weapon roll and have 70% of your drops being armor is stupid. If it's not artifice I'll never need more than 1 of any armor piece.
I thought they actually messed up when I saw that I could focus Exuviae again. Like why would they have us do that???
Ngl playing other looter shooters (First Descendant, Borderlands, Divsion), I realize Destiny 2 kinda sucks in the looter aspect of a looter shooter. In those games, you can get xyz loot from mission completions, boss kills, chests/interactables in the open world, and even just common enemies. D2 kinda does that, but you get like one weapon and an armor piece; other games, you’ll leave and activity with like 15+ items dropped, between killing enemies/bosses, looting chests, and just doing the activity.
ALSO I PAID FOR THE PREVIOUS SEASON PASS BUT I COULDN'T PLAY SO BUNGIE REMOVES IT WHEN A NEW SEASON IS ADDED, SO ALL THAT LOOT FROM THE PREVIOUS SEASON (RED DEATH, EXOTIC ENGRAMS, DEEPSIGHT HARMONIZERS ETC) BUNGIE SCAMMED ME!!!
WHY HASN'T ANYONE TAKEN BUNGIE TO COURT FOR THE REMOVING OF SEASON PASSES THAT YOU PAID FOR???
Im ok with no craftable option weapons but definitely think we should have attunement.
Brosky have you played warframe ? Sometimes I wonder what kind of builds you would make if you played that game too
I agree. I'm not going to interact with the season. Just campaign stuff, dual destiny, raids, etc. Until they mess that up somehow.
Using the word punish is so hyperbolic 🤣🤣
the armour drops in this season is absolute dog water, barely reaching 60 stat roll is insane
This is the most I’ve played Destiny in years and I have no idea why.
I just said "screw it" when I knew they weren't craftable. Who farms weapons anymore? There's 3000 other ones that are as good. No point to it.
IMHO they brought back Onslaught way too soon and no sane person wants to do something that time consuming for the most optimal payout for sidegrade whatever seasonal loot. Brave weapons were excellent and worth chasing.
This also doesn't get into general burnout where everybody ran Onslaught to death, and sure it deserves more locations and expansion, but it's just not appealing when none of the stuff you really care about.
Why can’t we just focus decode engrams to get the weapon we want?
Tonics are so ass bruh💀if the weapon specific tonics aren’t gonna guarantee the weapon that it’s a tonic for on a drop then there needs to be a drastic increase in drops. Also they’re never gonna have separate pools bc you’ll get the rolls so much faster and play less for the act 2 and 3 weapons and they can’t have that. They love artificially inflating playtime
I hate the tonics i havent been able to play a ton this season. I havent unlocked them all and man i keep having to get more materials. Its irritating.
I only thing I know is that my vault is suffering
Less modifiers. Less rng. Less champions. Let people play when they want with the gear they want.
Certainly, a lot of this will be applicable in the future, but we only have one more episode, so critique this particular model won't do much Imo
I should've watched the whole video before commenting lol
You also gotta remember that most people do not play the game as a job like youtubers and streamers
I haven’t even started act1 nor will I until act 3 is out the thing they should do is release the acts all at once and be done with it
yes it does.. still don’t have jolting feedback on the smg nd i’ve been grinding
I just try to have fun until Frontiers, a lot of great changes are coming then. Very hyped
Those tonic force us to grind