The only thing I can say in Pony Head’s defense is that Jenny Slate is really trying. Her line deliveries are the only thing that make Pony Head remotely watchable.
Honestly, I reeeeeeeeally have to question their taste now. Like, how is pony anyone's favorite? Her favorite character is one of the most disliked and tom(one of the best and most loved characters in the show. Probably the best) was actually based on all her ex boyfriends. How does that happen when you're making the show?
I feel they could’ve done ponyhead being possessive because she had never had “ friends “ due to her personality and her sisters that could’ve given her tons of depth.
Or Star and Marco has to be in a relationship. Not all Characters need to get into a relationship. There is more you could have done with Pony Head. She could have been more like Maybe she wants to be a better princess like Star or be the best Pony Head. So Sad.
It’s as Ford put it, “I've dealt with unicorns before, and if I had to describe them in one word it would be... frustrating.” Which is completely valid in this sense.
The tragedy is Ponyhead surviving the events of Cleaved. Pretty sure the Ponyheads need magic to, you know, exist. I think the moral of the reform school episode SHOULD have been "Being yourself does not mean ignoring your personality flaws"
I'm pretty sure the writers didn't think out the decision to destroy all magic, so the idea that Star essentially crippled her friend would probably leave a bad taste in peoples' mouth so they just left it out.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Plus Ponyhead was clearly one of the writer's most beloved characters, despite her having almost no redeeming qualities and being extremely obnoxious. Frankly it'd have been better if she died since it'd mean Star lost someone she actually cared about.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Exactly, it's telling that nobody Star cared about actually was lost during the destruction of magic. It's also very weird and convenient for Star and Marco's conscience that Hekaboo was so chill about no longer existing.
I'm not gonna lie, she was one of the characters that really made it hard for me to watch Star vs. the Forces of Evil. I really saw no point in her character. She had so much screen time and was treated as a big main character in this show, and in the end, other side characters such as Ludo, Dennis, Buffrog, and Eclipsa got more character development. This is something I never understood with this show. They had an interesting world, theme, and characters, but all the interesting stuff was reserved for side characters, while Ponyhead, a supposed main character, got nothing.
Agreed when the third season came out and introduced side characters snd minor like the squires that marco had a rivalry with and Higgs for example? It felt like she had more to give being a part of the kingdom and its way rather than being as shipping tool like many others that were neglected for the sake of shipping since marco tried to be a squire and then abadoned it on the episode as he had no place being in mewni.
The only time I didn’t activity dislike her was Season 1 since she actually seemed to grow a bit. In an alternate universe it would be cool if Pony stays at St. Olga's after the rebellion and helps the other princess build it into the school we see it as in Season 3. They could still use her from time to time for filler or side episode while also having her grow as a character. After she gets her horn broken off by Meteora “Bam Ui Pati” happens though she is more so depressed that the school she helped build up was taken from her. Instead of it ending with her being the same she actually grows and learns to move on trying to reconnect with her sisters after ignoring them for ages. If only
"I hate your face, plus your ugly 💖" God just now realizing pony head couldve been the exact type of character I like but the writing really wasn't there. Like she does have a lot of iconic lines that i love on their own
I feel like rather than be star’s bff Ponyhead might’ve worked better if she’s that one friend who you don’t frequently hang around (sometimes for good reason) but at random points shows up at your door step, or wherever you happen to be and drags you into doing something with them. Could’ve been an interesting plot point as well if that was who Ponyhead was at the start of the show as a result of pre show shinanagins gone extremly wrong causing them to have a serious rift. Something like a Project X Pony planned in advance but in Mewni when Moon and River were out, Star stayed complicit but it got too wild and the place was trashed leaving Star in serious trouble or not allowed to hang out with Ponyhead for a while. Then when they reconnect and Ponyhead randomly shows up, Star being Star is excited over not seeing her in a long time clouded by nostalgia but as it goes on Star is reminded of just how bad Pony can get, and Star learns to check her rather than just going along with it.
@@DrawciaGleam02 Honestly in broad strokes yeah - plus having it somewhat be along the lines of more or less how Tom started off, but more so the Ann/Sasha vibe. Plus it would’ve been interesting to see how in one instance Star is done with Tom’s bs all the time because she knows how toxic that was, but then be conflicted on Ponyhead because there’s points of being legit pals and so on. That and the general vibe of when you’ve experienced the extreme end of super crappy relationships, while you may be more skeptical in one sense you might also be excusing another relationship as “not that bad” because “it wasn’t like that EXTREMELY bad relationship so it’s probably fine right?” Especially when in this example Tom was apart of a romantic relationship and Ponyhead a friendship for Star so complexities of compartmentalizing and so forth.
I don't think most if the su fandom hates onion, he is more like a meme, he is a thing people point out once in awhile. Not openly hated but not many people are showing praise and art like they do for other gens
Say what you will about The Owl House and Luz, but the message is clear It’s great and okay to be yourself. But sometime, you have to learn to be more responsible and mindful of others. Luz and Eda are that, they both want to be free and follow their passion. But they have to learn to be responsible, work hard to study and for Eda, learning to be a grown up for her kids. I do think the school in Star was a terrible system. But for princesses like Pony and the face stealing one, they need to improve but not in a mind controlling placement. Doesn’t help that the school becoming outrageous and somewhat dangerous.
Yeah, Owl House is doing great with giving nuance to morals from early episodes. I think establishing a moral, then developing it over multiple episodes helps prevents fan accusations of broken aesops.
pony head is occasionally funny and that's about it in my eyes. I don't hate her, with the exception of like 3 episodes I don't mind her, she just doesn't do anything for the entire show she shows up for fights and gives star inspirational and comforting speeches in the finale arc but that's pretty much all she does
Honestly she wouldn't have been so bad if it felt like she actually learned a lesson at any point. However she just stays as insufferable as she was at the start of the show.
It's heartening to see validation from Star vs fans on this, because Pony Head is literally, singularly, the reason I dropped the show at first. For like, a really long time. A friend got me to watch it, and by the end of the episode Pony Head was introduced in, I was like "I don't want to be mean, but... let's watch something else".
Oh god don't *EVER* remind me of her cause you have *NO IDEA* I *LOATHE* her with a burning passion and humongous Insults to Ponies (even the Brony Community everywhere) parody/spoof or not, she got on my last never since Season 4 hit the fans. Not only she an obvious Influenced to not just Snooki but even *GOD DAMN* Dijonay form The Proud Family (which honestly makes way too much sense and truly explain ALOT about her character), but talk about someone who started out decent only to be entolreable to say the very least!!! Even Season 4 when that gave her the worst treatment from party animal to being a Mettaton Wannabe!!! No joke, Instead of making Eclipsa joke (only to throw that away and continued to be despised and loathed), Ponyhead's ego continued to go "head" up putting her own ego first then make her look good and Ironically a "head" start of kidnapping her to boost her ego even more making Star and her friend go out on this wild goose chase to find Eclipsa only to find she's perfectly fine playing some weird VR Game without even having to use here arms despite being tied up! (even Princess Peach didn't get this kind of treatment and also wouldn't be surprised that Eclipsa let other monsters "kidnapped" her often and even cheats behind her husband's back or *LITERALLY INFRONT OF HIM STILL FROZEN!!!* and surprised Meteora didn't had more "siblings" before her eyes!) and glad that *NEVER* got her own spin-off series afterwards let alone shorts before Star Vs. Series Finale ended and not too long ago 2 weeks ago she and Marco appeared In a song parody with Molly and Remy and we're mentioned at one point as Marco still kick butt while Pony did more "head" then "kicks" If y'know what I mean! (literally headbutting not that out of context moment, so get your mind out of the gutter!) Last but not least; now that Star, Moon, and Eclipsa permanently destroyed the magic, why Is Ponyhead let alone Rich Pigeon and a few others didn't die with the magic or to say the least; turned back to regular small minded animals with no speaking Intelligence or own magic to speak of since Rhombulus's snake arms are now just regular snakes and yet Rich Pigeon would be Regular Pigeon, and has for Ponyhead shockingly enough; could've just been a literally dead decapped head decaying and rotting on the bed!!! Seriously It'd be no difference how Billy and Mandy normally deal with shockingly dark humour and no difference should be here too let alone The Owl House normally but "hay, why the long face!" Overall; though Ponyhead still could've been her own save and grace during the decent episodes, but here truly killed her off without a trace, and see you next time on your thoughts on Janna cause I got alot to say about her as well being not just a regular decent comic relief but also was wanted potential In Season 4. I need something to truly calm me down form all of this cause I feel so burned out, maybe listening to some FNF or Emezie's music would cool me of! Speaking of which; Porkchops N' Flatscreens Is turning 10 years old this upcoming anniversary next Friday and I'm curious what's your thoughts on the series or early music videos and let me know who your favourite/least charterer of the series or what got you nostalgic before the actually main series?
Yeah Ponyhead definitely could've developed better but in the end u can just throw that on top of the long list of things that the show's writer's dropped the ball on. Plus personally she was just to annoying whenever she showed up. Also u do make a good point with the owl house's 1st episode though like u said it just unfortunately suffered from pilot episode syndrome.
Jenny Slate is amazing at annoying funny characters, you love to hate them and hate to love them, she's awesome. Especially in Parks and Rec and Bob's Burgers!
upon rewatch, I actually kinda liked ponyhead since her lines, especially line delivery, can be pretty funny. I think she wouldve been better off occasionally used since she never gets any development and if she were to appear once in a while, her mean spirited side would be seen as more of a funny side character thing than an annoying toxic friend. She's way too overused, imo, and I'm not a big fan of her design, but if they would've developed and done more with her character I prob wouldn't have minded her as much.
The only Pony Head moment I like is when she snaps out of the brainwash in that prison (God it's been so long I don't remember any names) and starts ripping out a portrait
I'm in the minority of really liking Ponyhead. She's funny, unapologetically selfish (which is kind of refreshing), and she does genuinely care about Star, her sisters, and Seahorse (in again, her selfish ways). She's that admittedly obnoxious friend that a lot of people have that, like you said, is great in small doses. But they tend to overstep, disregard boundaries, and the act gets old fast. I feel her upbringing had a huge hand in that; that episode does at least explain why she probably thinks her approach to relationships is fine, actually.
@s0cKGuy221 Right? I kind of feel like "redeeming" at any point was not ever in the cards. She has her moments of reflection but she's there to bounce off the other characters, not to really change much herself. Her confidence is refreshing, even if it can be misplaced.
I've always found Ponyhead to be perfectly fine myself. Shockingly straightforward when she needs to be, seems happy to be how she is. Might probably be a(n unintentional) foil to Star's developments. Where as Star took on more responsibility, Ponyhead rejects it as much as possible.
Her entire existence and not making her mute is a tragedy This reminds me too much of Chris Sonnenburg and his undying love of Frederick from "Tangled:the Series" along with his monumentally, humongous, and undying hatred of Varian (he hated the fact the viewers liked Varian more than Frederick)
Frederick's the king right? Considering how the show tried to develop him, I can see why he's Chris' favorite. Dude likely wanted to show nuance of overprotective parents.
okay but i love it when this person says alternative storylines and ideas than what the actual show was. it just shows so many really great ideas. this person would make a really good writer for a show like this ngl
She's just like any animal friend sidekick that's supposed to be funny, which scale goes from forgettable to painfully annoying, and sadly she like most is in the second one
The ponyhead family baffles me for one reason alone. They have one unseen sister except for the intro named Chezna who has a horse body sewn on! And we get no information about it! ITS INFURIATING WHATS HER DEAL
In defense of the face ripping princess, imagine the fact in a lot of monarchies that even while men can be ferocious warlords and cold blooded murderers , women can not.
@@starstorm1267 Solaria and the whole kingdom of mewni were literally just killing monsters because they were racist so ......... Kinda different than post monster acceptance mewni and other kingdoms relationships with war, I mean star is there for different reasons but she does take the time to protect earth and her kingdom and the reeducation programs doesn't want that at all either. All because of a robot. Remember that.
Ironic,like Mabel she is the creator's favorite character and for that she got the special treatment hence why both are controversial She makes even Robbie likeable!and thats an achievment because I FREAKING DESPISE THAT ROOFY-EDGELORDING-VALENTINO KNOCKOFF!
Well, with Mabel, at least you got the excuse that she was based off of Alex Hirsch's Sister. But the others? I can't really think of an excuse for the other Characters.
I'm like the one person that likes ponyhead just *because* she's such an awful, shallow person. She's like Twitter personified. I stan. Fite me. Just kidding. No fite-erino. I get it.
The only episode where I really agreed with her is one of the ones you didn’t mention: Lint Catcher. Star reacts to Marco leaving Mewni in an overly emotional manner by being too attached to the hoodie, and Ponyhead is the only one willing to tell her she is not doing herself any favors by clinging to it. I think this is only reasonable because of their ages; being really into scents of people you care about is something I definitely grew out of. If I was to compare her to any more well developed best friend character, it would be Tuca from Tuca and Bertie. She’ll tell Bertie when she needs to get out of her own head and drag her to do something fun. That dynamic definitely could have worked in seasons 3 and 4 where it seemed like Star was really pushing herself to her own detriment in some episodes.
I get really tired of every show that comes down the pike needing at least one character whose only viable descriptors are "obnoxious," and "insufferable." Bonus points if *all* of your characters are the wacky neighbor type, and you forgot to add a straight man to react to their various nonsense.
I agree, but she should've got character development and learn a lesson, comic relief characters exist, but they made it her whole personality! She was a wasted character.
Will there be a similar video about Kelly? As for me, she had great potential as a character, especially in conjunction with Marco (not so much as a couple, but as a complementary character).
Learning the pinky thing is not only a myth, but also rude, is super depressing, I'm just going to sit in a dark corner for a couple hours and think about my life...
With all the ideas you threw around, maybe YOU should've been a writer for Star vs. And I'm kinda confused as to why Pony Head is given flak everywhere, but the Owl House's construction rat isn't, despite deserving flak more than Pony Head does. At least Pony Head showed LEGITIMATE empathy at points (despite me randomly dropping Star vs mid-Season 1).
@@pinkiemeowstic89 That guy only had a major role in like two episodes though. Ponyhead was present throughout the entire show. So that's a major difference right there.
@@da-vidcargill4975 That's just because the writers didn't think about the idea through, and they didn't want Star to suffer consequences for her actions.
THANK YOU actually the person i felt the worst for (or anything really towards) was camila she clearly loves her daughter and it's shown she tried everything to fix Luz's bad behavior and yet she's villified by most of the fandom even to this day while they bend over backwards defending luz's dangerous and reckless behavior
I remember loving pony head and thinking she was funny during the first couple seasons and then she was terrible. that pr episode in particular made me hate her so much
The thing is, I liked pony at the start. I never disliked her until after she got her horn back so quickly. She never learned her lesson and didn't grow. I was disappointed
@@icecreamhero2375 he didn't upstage anyone if the writers only used him along with Shaggy and Scooby so be it haves still loads better than Scooby Dum or Flimflam . At leaste Scrappy took the villain seriously in a huge contrast to Gotenks.
Tbh, I know she's very annoying and obnoxious and needed better writing but...I don't hate her like most people do. I kinda like her, she's kinda fun (even if she is very annoying.) And tbh there are characters that I really don't like a lot more than her (cough Marco cough) even if it's an unpopular opinion🤷♂️
I really feel the same as many in the comments, I was annoyed by all the PH screen time. She was obnoxious, self centered ,and dead weight on the series. It's trying to make us actually like a brat bully.
I was never invested that much into this show so I actually did enjoy ponyhead as a comic relief, even tho she was written terribly. The voice actress did a great job with the comedic timing.
I'm one of those people who didn't really hate Pony Head that much for the first two seasons. She could be annoying but she could also legit be funny sometimes and she was used in small doses. But in season 3 and 4, she was around ALL the time and like several kidney characters, she was flanderized to the point in which I REALLY disliked her.
Kind of feel like you're a bit too harsh on Ponyhead? Within the context of her family she's more reasonable, and she does over time mature as a person. She's a teenager who isn't pressed to grow up too soon like Star is. Why does that have to be a bad thing? I took it as 'trying to artificially change yourself is worthless and genuine time takes change'. Her parents just tried to throw money at it to fix it instead of actually doing any parenting. That's never good.
I adored Onion, but Renaldo had some rough moments for sure. Ponyhead was pretty bad, but yeah looking back she was somewhat quotable and funny sometimes. Not perfect, mind you, but had moments.
I'm betting if Star Vs. The Forces of Evil was instead an animated movie with a "star-studded cast" they probably would have casted Awkwafina as the voice of Pony Head herself.
The writers probably didn't think out the idea through, and they thought it would probably leave a bad taste that Star essentially crippled her best friend.
But wasn't that stuff made out of....Hooves? Unless you somehow find the rest Pony's Body, I don't think there's much you can turn into glue. Freezing her in Carbonite might be a good alternative though. Then she finally shuts her trap.
Isn't this a little harsh? Her worst crime is being in the hands of subpar writers. With a little talent and idea of good character development, Pony Head could've been one of the show's most popular characters.
0:14 to be fair at least Jenny Slate played a more likeable character in The Great North which if you haven't seen The Great North it's from the same people who made Bob's Burgers which is just as Funny and charming as Bob's Burgers
The only thing I can say in Pony Head’s defense is that Jenny Slate is really trying. Her line deliveries are the only thing that make Pony Head remotely watchable.
You are right
Yeah Pony VA is the bomb! :)
Agree
They do!
That's more than most people, for certain.
Her existing is the real tragedy. She's the creator's favorite character, which is why she had an annoying amount of screen time.
Im not surprised.
That explains a lot and I hate her more now.
Knowing Nefcy and her many, MANY terrible ideas, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
That's very sad to hear.
Honestly, I reeeeeeeeally have to question their taste now. Like, how is pony anyone's favorite? Her favorite character is one of the most disliked and tom(one of the best and most loved characters in the show. Probably the best) was actually based on all her ex boyfriends. How does that happen when you're making the show?
The fact that zero people are defending this character or find even something remotely decent about her speaks for itself.
Hi
I like her *because* she's an obnoxious little shit.
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That's all. Your opinion is equally valid.
Yah
Hey now pawn, a coment said her voice actress was trying, so that's something.
@@fightingmedialounge519 thats more of the VA than the characters. Imagen a VA that really didn’t try
@@mimikuisreal6167 I can name a couple, plus my comment was more so intend as a joke.
I feel they could’ve done ponyhead being possessive because she had never had “ friends “ due to her personality and her sisters that could’ve given her tons of depth.
When your show has a rule literally stating Ponyhead should always get away scott-free, you know you done effed up.
Or Star and Marco has to be in a relationship. Not all Characters need to get into a relationship. There is more you could have done with Pony Head. She could have been more like Maybe she wants to be a better princess like Star or be the best Pony Head. So Sad.
It’s as Ford put it, “I've dealt with unicorns before, and if I had to describe them in one word it would be... frustrating.” Which is completely valid in this sense.
The tragedy is Ponyhead surviving the events of Cleaved. Pretty sure the Ponyheads need magic to, you know, exist.
I think the moral of the reform school episode SHOULD have been "Being yourself does not mean ignoring your personality flaws"
With how bad St. Olga's is, that might have soured the episode's reception.
Best to put that lesson in an entirely different episode.
I'm pretty sure the writers didn't think out the decision to destroy all magic, so the idea that Star essentially crippled her friend would probably leave a bad taste in peoples' mouth so they just left it out.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Plus Ponyhead was clearly one of the writer's most beloved characters, despite her having almost no redeeming qualities and being extremely obnoxious. Frankly it'd have been better if she died since it'd mean Star lost someone she actually cared about.
@@PlanetZoidstar and she would have realized that there was consequences to her action
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Exactly, it's telling that nobody Star cared about actually was lost during the destruction of magic.
It's also very weird and convenient for Star and Marco's conscience that Hekaboo was so chill about no longer existing.
I'm not gonna lie, she was one of the characters that really made it hard for me to watch Star vs. the Forces of Evil. I really saw no point in her character. She had so much screen time and was treated as a big main character in this show, and in the end, other side characters such as Ludo, Dennis, Buffrog, and Eclipsa got more character development. This is something I never understood with this show. They had an interesting world, theme, and characters, but all the interesting stuff was reserved for side characters, while Ponyhead, a supposed main character, got nothing.
Same, I remember waiting for her to stay at the reform school and for her sisters s to k1ll her. I really did not like her.
Agreed when the third season came out and introduced side characters snd minor like the squires that marco had a rivalry with and Higgs for example? It felt like she had more to give being a part of the kingdom and its way rather than being as shipping tool like many others that were neglected for the sake of shipping since marco tried to be a squire and then abadoned it on the episode as he had no place being in mewni.
Near the end it was Janna who annoyed me. 😂 She's literally just there to casually be a pain in Marco's ass.
@@RaisonLychi She is also a character that has no real purpose in this show, same with Kelly.
@@Nonjola the reason for ponyhead’s large amount of screen time is because she was daron’s favorite character
Is it a bad sign that I think Pony head DESERVED to go to Saint Olga's? She tried to kill Marco at first.
Someone did a fancomic explaining why she was going. Something about a sentence from a courtroom if my memory is correct....
@@DrawciaGleam02 what's it called and what's the link for it?
The only time I didn’t activity dislike her was Season 1 since she actually seemed to grow a bit. In an alternate universe it would be cool if Pony stays at St. Olga's after the rebellion and helps the other princess build it into the school we see it as in Season 3. They could still use her from time to time for filler or side episode while also having her grow as a character. After she gets her horn broken off by Meteora “Bam Ui Pati” happens though she is more so depressed that the school she helped build up was taken from her. Instead of it ending with her being the same she actually grows and learns to move on trying to reconnect with her sisters after ignoring them for ages. If only
I just found out Pony Head was Daron Nefcy's favorite character. That makes entirely too much sense.
I'm genuinely surprised how a character that was so universally disliked by the fans, got so much screen time.
You'd be surprised how much times it happens in TV shows
Is Ponyhead more of a scrappy than Scrappy doo in your opinion???
Pretty sure she’s like one of the creators favorites so that’s probably why
I guess you could say she's the one pony who didn't learn friendship is magic. Okay I'll see myself out.😆😅
Why are you leaving, your right
@@myaursus247 Well thanks.^^ Also that show was one of my favorites! Best generation of MLP in my opinion.^^☺️♥️🥰
no come back, that joke was so flawless
lol seriously though, mlp was my childhood, so this made me bust a lung XD
@@pearlhwva Well I'm glad I was able to make you laugh!^^
I liked it, don't leave!!
"I hate your face, plus your ugly 💖" God just now realizing pony head couldve been the exact type of character I like but the writing really wasn't there. Like she does have a lot of iconic lines that i love on their own
4:32 I actually quite like season 1's animations. Everything is more bouncy, fluid, more "cartoony", at least most of the time.
Yeah like compare it to the second intro were the animation is sooo static
It's Kinda Ironic, S1 and part of S2 had a Fluid animation, then it start to be static and decaying along with the story
I feel like rather than be star’s bff Ponyhead might’ve worked better if she’s that one friend who you don’t frequently hang around (sometimes for good reason) but at random points shows up at your door step, or wherever you happen to be and drags you into doing something with them. Could’ve been an interesting plot point as well if that was who Ponyhead was at the start of the show as a result of pre show shinanagins gone extremly wrong causing them to have a serious rift. Something like a Project X Pony planned in advance but in Mewni when Moon and River were out, Star stayed complicit but it got too wild and the place was trashed leaving Star in serious trouble or not allowed to hang out with Ponyhead for a while. Then when they reconnect and Ponyhead randomly shows up, Star being Star is excited over not seeing her in a long time clouded by nostalgia but as it goes on Star is reminded of just how bad Pony can get, and Star learns to check her rather than just going along with it.
So basically something like Anne realizing how problematic her friendship with Sasha is....
@@DrawciaGleam02 crazy to think how both Amphibia and The Owl House improved from Star vs so far
@@exileforever2508
Sasha could meet Ponyhead and warn her about the path she's currently going down.....
It's a great fanfic idea!
She 100% gives the "charismatic friend that only comes around when they need money, a couch to crash on, a big favor or are high/drunk" vibes
@@DrawciaGleam02 Honestly in broad strokes yeah - plus having it somewhat be along the lines of more or less how Tom started off, but more so the Ann/Sasha vibe. Plus it would’ve been interesting to see how in one instance Star is done with Tom’s bs all the time because she knows how toxic that was, but then be conflicted on Ponyhead because there’s points of being legit pals and so on. That and the general vibe of when you’ve experienced the extreme end of super crappy relationships, while you may be more skeptical in one sense you might also be excusing another relationship as “not that bad” because “it wasn’t like that EXTREMELY bad relationship so it’s probably fine right?” Especially when in this example Tom was apart of a romantic relationship and Ponyhead a friendship for Star so complexities of compartmentalizing and so forth.
I don't think most if the su fandom hates onion, he is more like a meme, he is a thing people point out once in awhile. Not openly hated but not many people are showing praise and art like they do for other gens
Yeah I remember people constantly saying Onion was going to be the true mastermind or final boss and the like.
I have never hated a friendly side character more then her.
At least she is nowhere near as bad as Glosorick. I was pissed off whenever he was on screen.
Say what you will about The Owl House and Luz, but the message is clear
It’s great and okay to be yourself. But sometime, you have to learn to be more responsible and mindful of others. Luz and Eda are that, they both want to be free and follow their passion. But they have to learn to be responsible, work hard to study and for Eda, learning to be a grown up for her kids.
I do think the school in Star was a terrible system. But for princesses like Pony and the face stealing one, they need to improve but not in a mind controlling placement. Doesn’t help that the school becoming outrageous and somewhat dangerous.
Yeah, Owl House is doing great with giving nuance to morals from early episodes.
I think establishing a moral, then developing it over multiple episodes helps prevents fan accusations of broken aesops.
Does someone, anyone, legit enjoy this character beyond "I find her funny sometimes"? I never saw anyone saying anything besides this
pony head is occasionally funny and that's about it in my eyes. I don't hate her, with the exception of like 3 episodes I don't mind her, she just doesn't do anything for the entire show she shows up for fights and gives star inspirational and comforting speeches in the finale arc but that's pretty much all she does
The real tragedy is the amount of screen time she got.
Nooooooooooooooo
Meanwhile other characters should have gotten more
@@kittykittybangbang9367 she was daron’s favorite character so that’s why she had a lot of screen time
Honestly she wouldn't have been so bad if it felt like she actually learned a lesson at any point. However she just stays as insufferable as she was at the start of the show.
She's basically a yassified Jarjar Binks
It's heartening to see validation from Star vs fans on this, because Pony Head is literally, singularly, the reason I dropped the show at first. For like, a really long time. A friend got me to watch it, and by the end of the episode Pony Head was introduced in, I was like "I don't want to be mean, but... let's watch something else".
I have NEVER seen anybody who likes her. And the fact that she’s the creators favorite character says a lot
Should we have a video discussing creator's pets as a whole????
@@DrawciaGleam02 I'd watch that.
I love her.. shes hilarious
Oh god don't *EVER* remind me of her cause you have *NO IDEA* I *LOATHE* her with a burning passion and humongous Insults to Ponies (even the Brony Community everywhere) parody/spoof or not, she got on my last never since Season 4 hit the fans. Not only she an obvious Influenced to not just Snooki but even *GOD DAMN* Dijonay form The Proud Family (which honestly makes way too much sense and truly explain ALOT about her character), but talk about someone who started out decent only to be entolreable to say the very least!!! Even Season 4 when that gave her the worst treatment from party animal to being a Mettaton Wannabe!!! No joke, Instead of making Eclipsa joke (only to throw that away and continued to be despised and loathed), Ponyhead's ego continued to go "head" up putting her own ego first then make her look good and Ironically a "head" start of kidnapping her to boost her ego even more making Star and her friend go out on this wild goose chase to find Eclipsa only to find she's perfectly fine playing some weird VR Game without even having to use here arms despite being tied up! (even Princess Peach didn't get this kind of treatment and also wouldn't be surprised that Eclipsa let other monsters "kidnapped" her often and even cheats behind her husband's back or *LITERALLY INFRONT OF HIM STILL FROZEN!!!* and surprised Meteora didn't had more "siblings" before her eyes!) and glad that *NEVER* got her own spin-off series afterwards let alone shorts before Star Vs. Series Finale ended and not too long ago 2 weeks ago she and Marco appeared In a song parody with Molly and Remy and we're mentioned at one point as Marco still kick butt while Pony did more "head" then "kicks" If y'know what I mean! (literally headbutting not that out of context moment, so get your mind out of the gutter!) Last but not least; now that Star, Moon, and Eclipsa permanently destroyed the magic, why Is Ponyhead let alone Rich Pigeon and a few others didn't die with the magic or to say the least; turned back to regular small minded animals with no speaking Intelligence or own magic to speak of since Rhombulus's snake arms are now just regular snakes and yet Rich Pigeon would be Regular Pigeon, and has for Ponyhead shockingly enough; could've just been a literally dead decapped head decaying and rotting on the bed!!! Seriously It'd be no difference how Billy and Mandy normally deal with shockingly dark humour and no difference should be here too let alone The Owl House normally but "hay, why the long face!"
Overall; though Ponyhead still could've been her own save and grace during the decent episodes, but here truly killed her off without a trace, and see you next time on your thoughts on Janna cause I got alot to say about her as well being not just a regular decent comic relief but also was wanted potential In Season 4. I need something to truly calm me down form all of this cause I feel so burned out, maybe listening to some FNF or Emezie's music would cool me of! Speaking of which; Porkchops N' Flatscreens Is turning 10 years old this upcoming anniversary next Friday and I'm curious what's your thoughts on the series or early music videos and let me know who your favourite/least charterer of the series or what got you nostalgic before the actually main series?
Yeah Ponyhead definitely could've developed better but in the end u can just throw that on top of the long list of things that the show's writer's dropped the ball on. Plus personally she was just to annoying whenever she showed up. Also u do make a good point with the owl house's 1st episode though like u said it just unfortunately suffered from pilot episode syndrome.
Jenny Slate is amazing at annoying funny characters, you love to hate them and hate to love them, she's awesome. Especially in Parks and Rec and Bob's Burgers!
upon rewatch, I actually kinda liked ponyhead since her lines, especially line delivery, can be pretty funny. I think she wouldve been better off occasionally used since she never gets any development and if she were to appear once in a while, her mean spirited side would be seen as more of a funny side character thing than an annoying toxic friend. She's way too overused, imo, and I'm not a big fan of her design, but if they would've developed and done more with her character I prob wouldn't have minded her as much.
I honestly despise pony head as a character in general, but this was a nice video.
The only Pony Head moment I like is when she snaps out of the brainwash in that prison (God it's been so long I don't remember any names) and starts ripping out a portrait
Pony head fills me with so much wonder
As in I wonder if you can kill someone whose already decapitated
Pony Head didn’t need a ton of depth, imo. She only needed redeeming traits.
Or at least more karma.
I'm in the minority of really liking Ponyhead. She's funny, unapologetically selfish (which is kind of refreshing), and she does genuinely care about Star, her sisters, and Seahorse (in again, her selfish ways). She's that admittedly obnoxious friend that a lot of people have that, like you said, is great in small doses. But they tend to overstep, disregard boundaries, and the act gets old fast. I feel her upbringing had a huge hand in that; that episode does at least explain why she probably thinks her approach to relationships is fine, actually.
I think the problem is trying to make being unapologetically selfish an endearing trait, when it's just not. It's toxic.
@s0cKGuy221 Right? I kind of feel like "redeeming" at any point was not ever in the cards. She has her moments of reflection but she's there to bounce off the other characters, not to really change much herself. Her confidence is refreshing, even if it can be misplaced.
Honestly. In my area, i used to see plenty of girls that act a lot like Ponyhead. So I've always been fine with her.
After reading the comments I'm relieved that I'm not the only one here who likes ponyhead
I've always found Ponyhead to be perfectly fine myself.
Shockingly straightforward when she needs to be, seems happy to be how she is.
Might probably be a(n unintentional) foil to Star's developments. Where as Star took on more responsibility, Ponyhead rejects it as much as possible.
I loved Pony Head and loved the episodes centered around her. 🦄
Daron Nefcy really screwed up the characters. I want to like pony head but Daron never gives me a reason to like pony head.
Her entire existence and not making her mute is a tragedy
This reminds me too much of Chris Sonnenburg and his undying love of Frederick from "Tangled:the Series" along with his monumentally, humongous, and undying hatred of Varian (he hated the fact the viewers liked Varian more than Frederick)
Varian had an interesting character arc as early as season 1----fans are BOUND to eat that up!!!
Who chris
@@pumkin610 He’s the creator of TTS
Frederick's the king right? Considering how the show tried to develop him, I can see why he's Chris' favorite.
Dude likely wanted to show nuance of overprotective parents.
"If the ponyheads are that cutthroat-"
Heh. Cutthroat, ponyheads. That's funny. In a morbid sort of way
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Ponyhead The Wise? I’d hope not, its not a story the Butterflies would tell you. Its a party legend.
okay but i love it when this person says alternative storylines and ideas than what the actual show was. it just shows so many really great ideas. this person would make a really good writer for a show like this ngl
She's just like any animal friend sidekick that's supposed to be funny, which scale goes from forgettable to painfully annoying, and sadly she like most is in the second one
14:43 Lol, glad you incoorporated Bird Person's quote into Ponyhead. It just made that scene a bit more hilarious.
The ponyhead family baffles me for one reason alone. They have one unseen sister except for the intro named Chezna who has a horse body sewn on! And we get no information about it! ITS INFURIATING WHATS HER DEAL
I will admit that Pony Head has one of my favorite lines in the entire show- the "Oh no, I'm unreliable!" line from Tom's demonsism.
In defense of the face ripping princess, imagine the fact in a lot of monarchies that even while men can be ferocious warlords and cold blooded murderers , women can not.
What about Queen Solaria then? She was a queen in mewini’s monarchy and she was a genocidal warlord against monsters.
@@starstorm1267 Solaria and the whole kingdom of mewni were literally just killing monsters because they were racist so ......... Kinda different than post monster acceptance mewni and other kingdoms relationships with war, I mean star is there for different reasons but she does take the time to protect earth and her kingdom and the reeducation programs doesn't want that at all either. All because of a robot. Remember that.
@@starstorm1267 and I'm saying specifically based off that princesses' culture they're not all from the same place or have the same problems
1:09 helluva boss stolas? As far as I know, he is a very loved character
Season 1 really did have much better, more energic animation.
The same way pony head didn't like marco but had to deal with it 🤣🤣🤣
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Pony Head the Obnoxious?
People don't like stolas? Stolas is a bit sexually aggressive but I didn't think he was hated.
Ironic,like Mabel she is the creator's favorite character and for that she got the special treatment hence why both are controversial
She makes even Robbie likeable!and thats an achievment because I FREAKING DESPISE THAT ROOFY-EDGELORDING-VALENTINO KNOCKOFF!
Well, with Mabel, at least you got the excuse that she was based off of Alex Hirsch's Sister.
But the others? I can't really think of an excuse for the other Characters.
There NEEDS to be talk about creator's pets in media and how to avoid/remedy this pitfall.
@@DrawciaGleam02 agree
Sighs it makes me sad that my favorite character became very hated or disliked by the fandom over the years.
@@zkme2734
yeah, I get that feeling. It sucks.
I'm like the one person that likes ponyhead just *because* she's such an awful, shallow person. She's like Twitter personified. I stan. Fite me.
Just kidding. No fite-erino. I get it.
The only episode where I really agreed with her is one of the ones you didn’t mention: Lint Catcher. Star reacts to Marco leaving Mewni in an overly emotional manner by being too attached to the hoodie, and Ponyhead is the only one willing to tell her she is not doing herself any favors by clinging to it. I think this is only reasonable because of their ages; being really into scents of people you care about is something I definitely grew out of.
If I was to compare her to any more well developed best friend character, it would be Tuca from Tuca and Bertie. She’ll tell Bertie when she needs to get out of her own head and drag her to do something fun. That dynamic definitely could have worked in seasons 3 and 4 where it seemed like Star was really pushing herself to her own detriment in some episodes.
I get really tired of every show that comes down the pike needing at least one character whose only viable descriptors are "obnoxious," and "insufferable."
Bonus points if *all* of your characters are the wacky neighbor type, and you forgot to add a straight man to react to their various nonsense.
The fudge did you just say about Kelly during the first minute?!
Eh you're right, the writers didn't let her potential grow when it should've.
I really like Kelly, but she was fricked over by the writers and ended up being useless
@@RikkiLove0317 It's unfair
Jenny Slate is one of the funniest people on the planet and I never got all the Ponyhead hate!
I agree, but she should've got character development and learn a lesson, comic relief characters exist, but they made it her whole personality! She was a wasted character.
Will there be a similar video about Kelly? As for me, she had great potential as a character, especially in conjunction with Marco (not so much as a couple, but as a complementary character).
I like Kelly. To bad we couldn't get more of her. She was a good add to the show. Plus why does everyone have to get into a relationship?
Learning the pinky thing is not only a myth, but also rude, is super depressing, I'm just going to sit in a dark corner for a couple hours and think about my life...
I love how Hooty grew on people, he has his moments.
Don’t forget after all hooty is responsible for giving us lumity.
I always loved Hooty
He’s a sweet demonic owl tube with a heart of gold
After season 1 Hooty became hilarious!
With all the ideas you threw around, maybe YOU should've been a writer for Star vs. And I'm kinda confused as to why Pony Head is given flak everywhere, but the Owl House's construction rat isn't, despite deserving flak more than Pony Head does. At least Pony Head showed LEGITIMATE empathy at points (despite me randomly dropping Star vs mid-Season 1).
Owl House's construction rat????
@@DrawciaGleam02 I hate saying or typing his real name. Hint: he's somehow shipped with Gus and his name isn't Hunter.
@@pinkiemeowstic89 That guy only had a major role in like two episodes though. Ponyhead was present throughout the entire show. So that's a major difference right there.
@@pinkiemeowstic89 Ah, you're talking about Mattholomule.
5:28 Well Marco DID get the horn in the later seasons.... But then got magically healed so eh
RIP Ponyhead, killed by lack of magical life support. Thanks Star, you killed your best friend because you had a bad day.
She is still alive she was in the finale after star destroyed the magic
@@da-vidcargill4975 That's just because the writers didn't think about the idea through, and they didn't want Star to suffer consequences for her actions.
@@da-vidcargill4975 She'll die of sepsis soon, I think.
@@kittykittybangbang9367 I can totally see the magic being destroyed, all the pony heads fall to the ground, twitch a bit and everything goes still
Hey I always loved Hooty
If you think stolas is an unpopular character you haven't been paying attention, he's pretty much the main character now anyway
THANK YOU actually the person i felt the worst for (or anything really towards) was camila she clearly loves her daughter and it's shown she tried everything to fix Luz's bad behavior and yet she's villified by most of the fandom even to this day while they bend over backwards defending luz's dangerous and reckless behavior
I'm actually really sad pony head never got development because I actually kinda like her
I remember loving pony head and thinking she was funny during the first couple seasons
and then she was terrible. that pr episode in particular made me hate her so much
The thing is, I liked pony at the start. I never disliked her until after she got her horn back so quickly. She never learned her lesson and didn't grow. I was disappointed
You mentioned Scrappys but never Scrappy Doo. He is the most annoying character ever.
Scrappy is overhated as hell
@@jeremyusreevu237 Nah SCrappy needs more love I never got what made him annoying
@@nicholassims9837 He upstaged the other characters, his voice, and how he kept running into trouble.
@@icecreamhero2375 he didn't upstage anyone if the writers only used him along with Shaggy and Scooby so be it haves still loads better than Scooby Dum or Flimflam . At leaste Scrappy took the villain seriously in a huge contrast to Gotenks.
@@nicholassims9837 True. Still hate him.
Hey sister saying “THAT DOESNT MAKE NO SENSE UR SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD” is amazing 😂 also is that titta- did they lock her in the closet
Tbh, I know she's very annoying and obnoxious and needed better writing but...I don't hate her like most people do. I kinda like her, she's kinda fun (even if she is very annoying.) And tbh there are characters that I really don't like a lot more than her (cough Marco cough) even if it's an unpopular opinion🤷♂️
I really feel the same as many in the comments, I was annoyed by all the PH screen time. She was obnoxious, self centered ,and dead weight on the series. It's trying to make us actually like a brat bully.
I was never invested that much into this show so I actually did enjoy ponyhead as a comic relief, even tho she was written terribly. The voice actress did a great job with the comedic timing.
IiiiiiiiI kinda liked pony head.... Not sure if it was her character or because of the fact that she was a pony though...
I'm one of those people who didn't really hate Pony Head that much for the first two seasons. She could be annoying but she could also legit be funny sometimes and she was used in small doses. But in season 3 and 4, she was around ALL the time and like several kidney characters, she was flanderized to the point in which I REALLY disliked her.
Kind of feel like you're a bit too harsh on Ponyhead? Within the context of her family she's more reasonable, and she does over time mature as a person. She's a teenager who isn't pressed to grow up too soon like Star is. Why does that have to be a bad thing?
I took it as 'trying to artificially change yourself is worthless and genuine time takes change'. Her parents just tried to throw money at it to fix it instead of actually doing any parenting. That's never good.
I never really liked ponyhead but i do love her voice actor
Kitty is a parent? I honestly thought she was 17 or 18. Due to how young she sounds. Then again you can sound different when you use a microphone.
Also I’d like to say that I love your opinions on these characters and how they could be better improved. Kitty Monk keep up the amazing work
Am I the only one who kinda likes pony head?!😭😭😭✌️✌️
15:55 I would just like to point out the probably unintentional irony of a collective screaming "its not criminal to be an idividual"
Mater from Cars is actually my favorite character
Who is carl?
I can't believe you just said season 1 had limited animation...
I adored Onion, but Renaldo had some rough moments for sure. Ponyhead was pretty bad, but yeah looking back she was somewhat quotable and funny sometimes. Not perfect, mind you, but had moments.
Won’t even lie I like ponyhead, do I agree with her actions in her intro episode nope but I find her funny at times.
Damn I loved Pony Head sassy ass! She was the only one besides Jana who could do no wrong to me.
I'm betting if Star Vs. The Forces of Evil was instead an animated movie with a "star-studded cast" they probably would have casted Awkwafina as the voice of Pony Head herself.
You're Not Alone In Thinking That.
Stolas is controversial?
If magic was destroyed, why & how is she still alive?
The writers probably didn't think out the idea through, and they thought it would probably leave a bad taste that Star essentially crippled her best friend.
Honestly they should have taken this horse to the glue factory
But wasn't that stuff made out of....Hooves?
Unless you somehow find the rest Pony's Body, I don't think there's much you can turn into glue.
Freezing her in Carbonite might be a good alternative though. Then she finally shuts her trap.
Isn't this a little harsh? Her worst crime is being in the hands of subpar writers. With a little talent and idea of good character development, Pony Head could've been one of the show's most popular characters.
@@pinkiemeowstic89 Well, "most popular" is maybe taking it a little too far, but anything would have been better than what we got.
@@johannesseyfried7933 I did say "one of", but thanks for hearing me out.
@@pinkiemeowstic89 You're welcome. :)
Am I the only one who liked ponyhead and scrappy Doo?
I know it’s not the point of the video but- people hate onion??
it's ok if it's subtle and baked in to the story so to speak but I HATE THE BE YOURSELF MESSAGE
I love ponyhead.. 😔
0:14 to be fair at least Jenny Slate played a more likeable character in The Great North which if you haven't seen The Great North it's from the same people who made Bob's Burgers which is just as Funny and charming as Bob's Burgers
Wait wait wait
Mabel is a controversial character?!
I'm not on the internet enough...
1:15 peaople hated Stolas!? I never knew that people disliked him at first
I mean, I personally like Ponyhead at first, but then she got irresponsible amounts of annoying and flaky.