How This One Trick Broke Skateboarding
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That was my first thought, a man who can't even keep his word smh
@@smkyogor a man who’s still finding his passion. Smh.
He needs to just stop youtube and live his life. The constant pressure of posting is what drives you mad
@@egotgame38 you have no pfp or "passion" 🤡
@@egotgame38u get it
To a non skateboarder, this would be jibberish
well i think we all saw this coming lol
Proper
Keep making skate videos? 💀😂
How about the salad grind? has this trick disappeared in skateboarding or been renamed? I'd defo like to see different combination/variations of the salad grind
I was thinking the same thing
its salad and suski are the tail version of k grind and over crook
As soon as I saw him put the board fs with the back truck was like yup salad bc Dressen
suski is literally a backside salad grind
Salad grinds are when the nose is angled towards the obstacle. Suski grinds are when the nose is angled away from the obstacle.
The problem with fakie naming conventions is how people think about the nose and tail of a skateboard and direction of travel. If you think of the nose and tail in context of direction of travel (regardless of what orientation the board is in) it fixes this issue - as opposed to thinking of the nose and tail of the board independent of direction of travel. For example, if you start with your board back to front (with the tail pointing forward) and push into fakie, you'll be popping off the tail. If you start with your board nose forward and push into fakie you are popping of the nose. Instead of thinking "i'm popping off the nose" or "i'm popping of the tail" it makes more sense to think "i'm popping backwards" or "i'm popping forwards" - regardless of if you pop on the tail or nose. That way, fakie can be defined as "always popping in a backwards direction" in your 'normal' stance (be if regular stance or goofy stance), regardless of what end of the board you use to pop. In this scenario, the direction of travel dictates what the trick should be called. So, popping fakie and grinding on the "back truck" riding "backwards" would be a Fakie 5-0. Popping fakie and grinding on the "front truck" riding "backwards" would be Fakie Nosegrind. For crooks, the same logic applies where a 'crook' would be pointing the skateboard away from the grind point and 'overcrook' would be pointing the board towards the grind point (so that the board is 'over' the grind point or the obstacle) - regardless of back truck or front truck grinding while in fakie or nollie or switch. The whole "fakie" naming convention started around ramps and transition skating when the skater went backwards into the ramp (or, 'faking' a switch stance). Ramp skating made it obvious what your direction of travel is which is why when you remove the ramp it makes things a bit more of a mindfuck to think about. There's a whole conversation to be had if crooks are a thing that I won't touch, but that's the way I always think about it (not saying it's correct, but it simplifies it for me and my brain).
What dude
@@sandhanitizer15 read my comment. Read it again.
It’s called a suski!! Smith stance lifted to 5-0 whether backside or frontside is called a Suski.
Feeble stance lifted to crooked 5-0 is called a Salad
ahhh! you articulated that perfectly! andy and justin confuse me SOOOO much with their fakie 5-0's and fakie crooks.
Editing the skate tricks to the drum beat was so well done, subtle but really adds to the rythym of the video
So stoked to open youtube and see a new skate video from John Hill❤🎉😊
:looks at skateboard "I wish i knew how to quit you"
I love how much you know and love about skateboarding. I know you want to branch into more things but just know there is nothing wrong with how much you love skateboarding and you can kill it as a father and being a skater 💪🏼
The SW Back Suski had such nice atyle to it man! I'm fully on board with renaming fakie tricks to match up with the stance + trick name as they actually are.
Im so confused.. I thought you were done with skate boarding? I'm so lost.. I'm still riding with ya! Love your stuff!
Stoked to see more skate videos from you! Can you make one about hurricane, Willy and lazy grind?
ok... this is a really big issue and need the backstory... the thing with fakie is that it was "invented" way before switch. it used to be the term for riding backwards. hence Rock and Roll "to fakie".
now, progressing forward. as fakie was explored fakie tricks were named and thought of as regular, except backwards, and because there was no switch, 180 in was also regular going backwards. i.e. fakie 5-0 is popped and grinded on the same truck, fakie nosegrind is popped and grinded on opposite trucks, 180 nosegrind is grinded on reg nose truck, Hurricanes, and half-cab nose/crooks is all regular.
this is the big truth to the trick naming system thing that most don't get and where it falls apart, because people start saying things like fakie switch crooks or fakie switch nosegrind instead of fakie 5-0 or whatever fakie salad or Suski should be lol...
there has been huge arguments and "P" words thrown around about which direction a BS Half-Cab is. especially around the Release of THPS lol! there is an almost mechanical unbiased objective trick naming system there, if people just use it properly...
the only real "rule" is that Fakie is Reg riding backwards and 180 in is Fakie. which removes the need to even say Fakie in 180 Fakie Nosegrind. just look to the Half-Cab. Trust in the Cab.
This. If you grew up during that time it's actually easy to understand. But understandably difficult if you look at it as a new comer to skating.
@@childrenoftheinfinite lol yeah, it's easier sometimes to give the quarter pipe analogy... ride up a QP Fakie (backwards) and doing a 5-0 stall.
the big issues arose because of the tricks John is talking about in this video. even though the system was there, they were never really mainstream named, so when people did them they were at a loss when telling people or someone asks what they did.
especially Fakie, because when someone doesn't know a trick name reg, they sure AF don't know it Fakie. a lot of this is now happening after the new school board wave where switch was popularized, and now they are really confused...
basically kids not knowing what they are talking about, but they're good and have to maintain that level of superiority, so no one questions them when they say things like front 180 switch nosegrind fakie kickflip out. no... it's a 180 5-0 kickflip out. not entirely their fault, though.
one of the biggest and only arguments is the Barley Grind, but this originated after the confusion set in. so even Pro's who have no issue doing the physical trick were at a loss. which really influenced the community badly. some comp announcers get it right, some announcers not so much.
Bro, I'm so glad you said this. I always wondered when the term fake changed, and always wondered if maybe I just didn't get what it meant as a kid. I sort of stopped following skateboarding for a few years, then got back into it, and suddenly what we called a switch nollie was now fakie and I was really confused. Cause, as you said, to us fake was when you are going backwards. Not just a nollie but in switch.
@@BananaGeekLord not sure when things really diverged, but goes back to late 70's or 80's. still commonly hear the remnants of it when you hear people say things like Tail "to Fakie", Nose "to Fakie", "Fakie" Pop Rock, etc.. combined with Nollie and Switch as independent stances and tricks the overall trick naming system is cohesive.
think the big issue was that Regular Salad and Suski were never really established, so when people did them Fakie and needed to say something they were just like- "uhhh... ".
the only really established named thing for something going either way on that truck and tweaked was Switch Crooks. which, i think, was originally Koston's "K Grind" that only became a thing done Reg in the early-mid 90's.
the only time a trick should have a different name for the opposite position imo is half/full cab tricks. these are only for fakie 180s/360s. the opposite is just nollie 180 and nollie 360. other than that every trick combo name is based on how you start the trick. there is no need to add extra descriptions to a combo trick. ollie, nollie and fakie all lead to regular grinds, slides and manuals. here's a really easy way to look at it.... if you start out ollie, nollie or fakie, regardless of doing the trick straight or turning 180/360 into it.... picture whatever you would call the grind, slide or manual as if you are rolling forward and that is how you describe the trick. if you start a trick switch the entire combo is switch. when people say 180 to switch crook, (meaning turning slightly more in the air than a tailslide and landing in a "switch crook"), that's just not right. that is simply a bs or fs 180 to suski. a "switch 180 to regular 5-0" is just a "switch 180 nosegrind"
and why is there bs overcrooks, but no fs overcrooks?!?!
I came super close to landing a fakie big spin today, I did like 50 tries before getting too tired, but the crazy part is that I still can’t land a pop shuv
Yall ever heard of salad grinds
i used to call it that, but salad is when the board angles onto the ledge not away from it
@@JohnHill Yeah I always called it a salad grind but your right salad is like a lifted feeble or an Over5-0 lol.
Even out from the ledge, I call them salads still. You can thought process this with other over ledge tricks like blunts if you flip flop them from inside or from over the ledge on both sides, even though you technically wouldn't be locking in one on of the two positions (i.e. your wheels wouldn't lock the coping, but you'd call it the same trick as tail side locking in). Poor explanation sorry.. Either way, its a salad to me. I couldn't agree more in the ridiculous fakie 5-0 stuff.
Or wait, maybe its just a frontside salad haha and a backside suski. I'm lost again.
@@grandlegion1613 lol sounds like every conversation about tricks ever.
Apparently the Salad is considered the overcrook of 5-0s. So the crook variation of a 5-0 is a Suski.
I've been watching your videos for about 8 years, i remember when you uploaded your first video with Sara.
It's awesome to see that you're still going, living a great life, and keep growing. Makes me happy to see.
My understanding is that switch and nollie are stances, but fakie is a direction (backwards). This makes sense to me from a style perspective because nollie is usually done with your shoulders the same as regular, but fakie is closed off like riding backwards.
Switch and regular are stances, like right handed and left handed but for your feet. Nollie is when you do a trick by popping the front of the board.
The board has a front and back, fakie is when the back is facing forward. You do the same trick you'd normally do, but since you're moving the opposite of how you're used to, it's much more difficult.
Example a fakie Ollie would look like an nollie to an observer since you're popping the part of the board that's in the direction you're moving, but to the rider its the same movement as a regular Ollie, you're just backwards.
it's genuinely so dumb how hard it is to explain lmao
And remember that naming conventions pretty much all come from transition skating, so fakie being backwards makes perfect sense.
We used to call that tweaked 5-0 a pivot grind. I guess it’s technically a suski
I love how u mix the skate footage wit the song in the background Jo!!! It’s so dope to mi frfr. As an artist that skates, make content & music I couldn’t help but to notice how fluent it fits wit each other. Definitely gon skate to this part cuz I juz love how the grinds groove to the instruo 😮💨 #SALUT3 to u sr cuz I don’t even write comments tbh specially not this damn long haha 🫡😏💪🏾💯💪🏾🙏🏾
dude the synchronization of beat, pop and landing of the trick in this vid is exceptional
I was waiting for this👌
Wow, ive been trying to find examples of the different versions of suski grind, but i cant find it. Thankyou for explaining.
so dope man! crazy how you can pick a new trick and do 18 variations of it in all stances in one day lol
Nollie back suskie to 180 out was so smooth!
love the vids john, you just need to show more falls.
YOU LANDED EVERYTHING ON THE SNARE!! DAMN YOU!! Editing game strong.
I’ve always perceived Suskis as a strictly backside trick since that’s the direction that Aaron always does them. Like the way Bennett grinds are strictly frontside and Barely grinds are strictly backside.
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My solution: I've personally abandoned the term "fakie". I call it "switch nollie" instead. It costs one extra syllable and you get 10x more clarity. It also helps with the similar confusing reversal that comes with spin-flip tricks (nollie backside flip and fakie frontside flip). They are mirror images, and yet we call them different directions. We don't do that for switch, normal, or nollie versions. Finally, non-skaters giggle when they hear "fakie" because its a ridiculous term. We could use the good PR.
This is actually really interesting. Itd be cool to see an extensive list of reworked trick names so the naming conventions all make more sense and have alternative trick names in parentheses next to each one. Would be a hell of a list though
Damn, and clean executions, i was honestly thinking this wasn't gonna work well because any bit of friction on that front wheel would cause the board to want to slide off the ledge, where on a crook it keeps you locked in
Yessir! Another banger!
Hey can you now explain for smith and feeble, dont know if the "opposite" version exists. Same for 180 rotation i couldnt name if it s a FS or BS in nollie or fakie ollie.
excited for this corse you speak of
Some mad science here uh? Great video!
Wow, all those variations looked so good.
Best thing I ever heard about naming tricks is that it is all based around what it would be regular
I feel like the most confusing thing when I was learning was the nollie and fakie 180s are named opposite
The timing of this is crazy. I recently did a Nollie bs suski bs 180, mostly on accident. I was just going for Nollie bs 5-0. 😅
From what I understand Fakie just means backwards. I've just come to accept that and it does make sense to me (especially with flip tricks) but at the same time I agree with what you're saying we can make it so much simpiler on ourselves
There's tons of tricks named after people: ollie (Alan "Ollie" Gelfand), [Mike] smith grind/stall, mctwist (Mike McGill), [Aaron] suski grind, [Steve] caballerial, Christ[ian Hosoi] air, Willy [santos] Grind, and for a little while, people even called crooked grinds k-grinds (after Eric Koston I believe). Let me know if there's ones I'm forgetting, I'm sure there are. P.S. I think the trick you're calling a frontside suski is a frontside pivot grind, but hey, names change over the decades, so why not? It's very humble of you to not just call it a Frontside Hill/John grind haha
We used to call it Pivot grind in the early 2000's
This is interesting af. Ty 😊
They all looked so sick!
Love me a nice pinch grind.
Love how the tricks and the beat synced up in the session. You gotta be doing that on purpose right?
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I loving this 😂😂
I'm always glad that the last word in your videos is 'it' instead of 'things'
Same with fakie frontside and backside. I think some of the tricks in either fakie or nollie (or even switch) need to be renamed. Personally, I’d choose for the fakie to be changed, fs and bs switched around and grinds being what they’d be called in switch. Like you said about it currently being a fakie 5-0 instead of a fakie nosegrind.
I feel the same about fakie frontside and nollie backside. they should both be frontside but for some reason people call the nollie version backside, even tho the wrong foot is flicking. Its difficult to change skaters mentality tho
Also, it all comes from vert skating and street skaters just went with it. Fakie started with vert skating and they could only relate it to your back and front foot just because switch wasn’t a thing in the 80’s. A LOT of tricks and stance names were made during then. That’s how I have understood it lol.
These Suski's variations (commonly called Salad Grind in THPS) are really good looking and elegant. About the tricks names: If you're regular and you do a 5-0, it's your back foot who does the grind. When you do a fakie 5-0, we called it fakie 5-0 because it still your back foot who does the grind even if it looks like a nosegrind.
For everyone saying salad, a salad grind is tweaked the OTHER WAY.
As far as I know, all of this is so confusing because of the shape of today's boards. In the past, there was an actual distinguishable difference between the nose and the tail. A 5-0 grind is a grind on the tail-side truck and a nose grind is a grind on the nose-side truck. For example, if you do a 5-0 grind in regular, switch, or nollie stance, you are grinding on the tail-side truck, but if you do seemingly the same trick in fakie, you are grinding on the nose-side truck. Therefore, this trick is called a fakie nosegrind. This applies to all other tricks in the same way. Also, in my opinion, a fakie nose grind feels more like a nosegrind then a 5-0 grind. I am not sure if this is actually a fact, but it would exactly explain why this is so confusing.
I just figured it was like the nose grind / frontside overkrook debate on rails
Always thought it was lame when people called this a 5-0. It’s clearly a different trick. & it is honestly a really pleasing trick to see done, it looks great
Shane Heyl did a Crooked to noseslide in the Baker : Bake and Destroy video part. Was always wondering what this was called
I’m not even gonna try to absorb this information John, I appreciate the way you presented it though. I’m a bmx rider subscriber. I skated for a few years as a teen, but I only just realized why they call frontside and backside tricks such, grinds mainly. Shit always confuses me and I’ve been an avid skate competition/video part/ yt video watcher for years. The grinds specifically always screwed me up, understanding them being called out and shit in competitions. But with bmx it’s more simple. A lot of similarities in grinds like feeble and smith grinds are somewhat comparable in both, but the rest lose me for skating grinds. Hahah
Brooo the nollie Suski backside 180 went so hard not completely sure if it was fakie or nollie tho😂
I see skateboarding videos from John Hill, I click. You go figure out the rest.
03:32 in this instance its not a nose grind if you are going fakie because you are using your tail not your nose if you are saying that is your nose then you arent going fakie..
You are right tricks should be named based on the direction and stance plus the "name" but you also need to be mindful of whether its genuinely fakie (your body is still stanced as if you were going forwards but you are moving backwards) or switch (your body has now "switched" to the opposite of your normal stance/direction of travel) and whether according to your stance you are doing the trick on your nose or your tail.
Its not that complicated to work out but i think where the confusion has come is from people being mistaken and then propogating that mistake into normality. It was an easier diferentiation bitd before popsicle decks came out when boards were all shaped with a very defined nose and tail shapes, double kick decks came along in the late 80's/early 90's and it got confusing and only got worse as football/egg shapes and popsicles came along and switch skating became a big thing.
Personally i only think its a problem for generations who came into skating after the 90's where it all went weired, older people dont seem to have such an issue with it or just dont care :)th-cam.com/users/sgaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f609.pngth-cam.com/users/sgaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u1f609.png
I love arguing over the trick "Backside 180 Nosegrind" since you do the trick frontside to the ledge but you back 180 into it and you are essentially doing a switch 5-0.
NGL I love the look of the trick!
This video is very nerdy in the best way 🤣
I been skating so dam hard, my daughter is right there shredding too it’s truly the best thing
For me it's only backwards once you start doing cabs, or 180s. A nollie half cab is just a nollie frontside 180, where a half cab is more like a switch fs 180 popped fakie.
as a non skater I get what you're saying about the naming convention being inconcistant but this is not uncommon when things get names in a natural way as opposed to getting named by a rules committee in advance before they have actually been done
That is a pivot grind homie
Solid
Was hoping this would clear up over crooks. For me it's just a FS suszkie grind the smith grind was first done in one side but you still have a FS/BS version. Same with every grind or slide hardly very difficult
I’ve literally had this conversation recently with friends lmao
People get so heated about this too 😂
Basically just the outward mirrored version of what the Salad grind would be, the board is just pointing away from the obstacle rather than tweaked over the obstacle.
The Fakie thing is weird. If I popped Fakie into a grind, let’s say Smith for example, I would usually always call it “Fakie, Switch Smith” since I’m riding Fakie & when I’m in the grind I’m in what would be the Switch stance/position of that grind for the direction I’m going. Essentially Fakie is the Switch equivalent of your regular stance Nollie. If you do something Nollie it’s just a Nollie Smith because you’re grinding in your regular stance/position. If you just say “Fakie Smith” it doesn’t do the trick justice in my opinion because the grind/slide itself is actually being done in a Switch stance & direction.
I agree that all these little nuances make it difficult to accurately name/label tricks
It’s even more confusing with Aggressive Inline, all the different grinds, directions, regular side & switch/unnatural.. depending on which way or which side it changes the tricks, how or which direction you spin.. there’s Outspin, Inspin, Zero Spin, True Spin, Alley oop, Illusion spin, Med spin.. ect.
3:10 Most of this is only a problem if you ride a popsicle and use the reduced stance names because of the near twin shape board where for example a switch nollie is merged into fakie olli. Because with a board which is not crazy shaped like a fish, it is just the same. A fakie (olli) crook also should be like a switch ("nolli") 5-0. 😀
# Stance/Trick Shaped Deck Popsicle
1 olli -> [R==F=> ->
2 nolli -> [=R==F> ->
3 fakie olli ->
6 switch nolli -> [=F==R> -> ≙3
7 switch fakie olli
Switch nollie does not exist that's just a fakie Ollie and fakie ollie as invented way before nollie.
Do a video on switch ups, and tweaks cause i feel alot of people either disregard these entirely, or hyper fixate on them and their nuance.
Am I old......that's a "Salad" Grind
Salad goes over the ledge not away from
No it's not.
@@hvdd96isn’t that a feeble ?
Names gets even more confusing on tricks where you end up fakie, but didn't start that way. A 180 into what would seem to be a 5-0 is called a 180 nose grind. Which kinda sorta makes sense given what a (so-called) fakie nose grind looks like. But what about the mirror image of a 180 nose grind? In my experience most skaters call it a switch 180 nose grind--but some call it a switch 180 5-0. Which technically you'd think is more consistent, since if you'd nollied into it without the 180, you'd just call it a 5-0 . . .
But then for some reason nollie just seem to be outranked by fakie when it comes to naming conventions. Think of the mirror image of a fakie 180 5-0 (i.e. a half-cab 5-0): we'd call it a nollie 180 nose grind. But why? It's implicit that it's a fakie nose grind--but how does the fakie get in there? We didn't even pop off that foot. You'd think if we treated fakie as a version of regular, we'd treat nollie as a version of switch--but we don't. You can start fakie, do a 180, and land in a regular 5-0. But if you start nollie and do a 180, you don't land in a switch 5-0, you land in a fakie nose grind. For some reason. (And it gets worse still when you realize the vast majority of 180 nose grinds are pinched--they're really 180 crookeds, or 180 suskis if we're willing to switch what counts as the nose and tail mid-trick. And that's not even getting into the frontside/backside inconsistencies.)
The best solution as far as I can tell would be (or would've been, too late now, really) to treat front of the board as the nose, the back as the tail, period. Doesn't matter your stance, doesn't matter how much you spun to wind up that way, the front is the nose, the back is the tail.
Where i get lost is the 180 into grind tricks. for example if im regular riding up to the ledge frontside, then do a back 180 and land on my front foot truck ( as if it were a switch 5-0) what would this be called? back 180 nose grind? back 180 switch 5-0? then to make it even more complex what would you call it if you did the same thing but pinched the truck like a crook?
It's how you pop into it that names the trick.
what would be the back foot equivalent trick to an overcrook grind? like a suski but point the nose inward instead of out?
And as a skater with 20 years under my belt,you should’ve also mentioned that the Suski was made popular by Mr. Dressin which is where the Salad/Suski comes from!
Tony Hawk and Jason Ellis talk about the Salad 🥗 Grind ❤
But salad grinds are pointed the other way more like a frontside blunt but on your truck.
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Happy to land any trick with any name.
As someone who loves back to Suski,
I have been attacked in my comments section because of my trick variety in transition…
Hospital flip Suski and Hardflip Suski are 2 of my specialties…
People don’t like when you correctly name tricks…
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Thank you for this John 🫡
I’ve been doing that grind with my fingerboards!
Makes me wonder if im missing something else.
Like variants of hurricane grinds or smith/feeble transitions etc.
I mean, it makes perfect sense to me. If you're sliding on the front of your board, or using the front truck, it's a crook, nosegrind, or nose slide variation. If you're sliding on the tail or back truck, it's a tail slide or 5-0 or suski or salad. Fakie 5-0 shouldn't be called fakie nosegrind because you aren't grinding on the nose truck.
But what *has* always grinded my gears is how backside 180 crook just apparently isn't a thing. It's such a common trick in SLS and it irks me every time the announcers call back 180 nosegrind when the truck is almost ALWAYS pinched. Feels inconsistent to me that we went out of our way to name every pinch variation but because you 180 into it suddenly all of that goes out the window and it doesn't matter where you pinch it's just nosegrind.
Aaron Suski did it frontside. Backside is a Salad grind
John hill I have this trick on lock to 180 out like every time
Love a suski but getting into them when you’re trying to back tail is deathly
i feel like fakie 5-0 makes sense, you're going backwards hence fakie therefore its not the nose of your board hence not a nose grind. i think that to avoid confusion its gotta be that simple lol
Agree, but twin kick boards will probably change some people’s perspective
John could make a video about sliced bread and I would watch it he makes anything entertaining
Shits sounding like a religion now…😂😂😂 Great content as always!
I'm a skateboarder and you've somehow managed to make sense with this tangent and hurt my brain. I've edited this comment about 4 or 5 times that how mind blown and broken I am. and it's currently
12:07 AM.
If skate 3 has taught me anything it’s that that trick is called a salad grind
Currently trying to learn fakie shuv fakie crook any tips