Runner misses home plate & Brewers use loophole to review it, a breakdown
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Nothing more entertaining than a baseball loophole
Maybe the poophole loophole but yeah, the baseball ones are pretty fun too.
This shit was brilliant though haha
People too worried about the unwritten rules to notice the written ones. Brilliant.
Except every sport (besides soccer) that isn't baseball! :)
Like not betting as a player, but simply as a coach? 😉
Thing I love about it is that's always been LaRussa when he managed. He always used every trick in the book to win or get something his way. Brewers flipped the script on him.
They actually had to go about it this way; Pena never tagged the runner or the plate, so they had to tag the base before the next pitch in order to have an appeal to challenge. The 20s in order to challenge started on the appeal. The mound visit did not constitute a new play.
@@matthewweber2455 what? Shut up bozo
@@GokuFan98 he’s right
If it was Joe Maddon instead of La Russa, the umps would have 100% sided with Maddon. Maybe even ejected Councel for bothering them while they were at it.
@@GokuFan98 that's how base running errors are reviewed...
More specifically, missing home plate has it's own rule: 5.09(b)(12)
(12) In running or sliding for home base, he fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to the base, when a fielder holds the ball in his hand, while touching home base, and appeals to the umpire for the decision;
In this case, on appeal the runner was called safe, and the appeal was reviewed (immediately I may add).
"I think he missed homeplate" is the polite way to tell the ump he's wrong.
It's like when you write "kindly" in a work email.
@@MrMostaza14 😂
Yep. Just some diplomacy there.
It was really Midwest Nice of him
@@gfox9295 rare in baseball
La Russa upon being told there's no rule that the Brewers broke: "But the unwritten rules say..."
he'll somehow bring in swinging on 3-0
Fuck unwritten rules. They make the game not as entertaining for younger audiences and bring viewership down. Not the only thing doin it but it is a contributing factor
@@lebryantjohnson7306 lol right
@@CadWeapTech the only unwritten rule worth following is waiting(even if they’re in the batters box) for the batter to be ready.
That's a written rule. From the MLB website rules PDF. Rule 6.02 Pitcher Illegal Action (a) Balks (5) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; COMMENT: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonable set in the batter's box. Similar comment at 5.07(a)(2).
I’ve only been into baseball in the last 10-12 years so I don’t have a very deep knowledge of some of the technical rules. Watching your breakdown videos has helped me better understand baseball and have a greater appreciation. Keep up the amazing work.
Can you give us the Mariners grand slam into Astros pitcher ejection Ive never seen Scott Servais so mad I need the lip reading
Yesssss 😂
I don't think Jomboy likes the M's very much, but I think he likes the Astros even less. It's definitely review worthy, though.
@@Rymann_23 fancy seeing you here lol
@@spiderman110990 he’s done a few Mariners breakdowns in the past and they tweeted the play last night. Seems like a perfect way to rub some salt into the wound for the Astros a man can dream at least. I didn’t check the Astros broadcast but seemed like some players left the dugout when it got chippy so it should be a fun breakdown really hoping for it!
@@spiderman110990 Ha ha yeah. I really hope he would do this because that was one hell of an 8th inning last night
3:19 LaRussa furiously trying to comprehend an “unwritten rule” he isn’t familiar with.
Lol good one!!
@Soflo Sports dude it’s just a joke, stop being so triggered and get over yourself 😂
@Soflo Sports Kinda embarrassing you're a sports channel, yet you said something so daft and ignorant. Revoke this mans sports card.
His point was that LaRussa was more angry about Yermin ignoring the "take" sign than breaking an unwritten rule. I don't completely agree, but it's not the worst take
@@super8bitvideos so someone's not a sports fan cause they respect opponents and traditions? You do sound like a sports fan getting triggered over someone liking unwritten rules
Counsell outwitting La Russa - you love to see it
This isn’t a matter of Counsell outwitting La Russa. He merely exercised his right to review under the rules and there was literally nothing La Russa could have done to prevent it regardless of wit.
3:40 I think there is an "h" missing on-screen, for the word "sould", no doubt,
Is supposed to have one, so I'm appealing that the editor _should_ be called out.
Just like the baserunner had to hit the base,
The captions editor cannot forget the "h". 😂
Also at 3:07, "mound" is incorrect. They have it as "moound."
@@SuperSonic_868 yup noticed that too, simple spelling mistakes are easy to make.
I think it’s a good thing they checked. I want teams to focus on the most meritorious challenges. Challenges that shouldn’t have been made are a bigger waste of time than mound visits, and sometimes the ruling is wrong anyway.
We were at this game and as soon as the review started, we were betting this would be on Jomboy
I don’t live in America, and I don’t like baseball. But geez I am entertained by these Jomboy videos. Thanks for the recommendation Mr TH-cam.
Memoria
Before replay position players used to routinely miss tagging bases and umps basically gave it to them. Except for first base because umps actually looked at the feet when they tagged it.
really puts the HIGH in high level.
MLB players need to do the hop and land on both feet on the plate move.
It's almost like the NBA with traveling
@@KTF0 "the turn" at second base. When I started umpiring, I was taught early that if the fielder is in the same zip code as second base to give them the out on the force.
The real MVP is the broom handle behind Jimmy just leaning against the wall
Can we appreciate the fact that the umps held their ground with the guy that wrote the rules…and they got it right! I think that’s what every player, coach and fan ultimately wants. To make the right call.
That eye dart loop was damn hilarious
Lesgo Jomboy vid makes everything better
So Counsel appealed (headset appeal) the appeal (pitcher throwing to home plate) not the runner stepping on homeplate.
Tony LaRussa arguing for 10 minutes about a rule he made to help pace of play. Classic.
The question is whether the original appeal was timely.
That type of appeal predates the current rules regarding appeals. My understanding is that they have to appeal before the next pitch. Same with appealing if a runner tagged up and left early. Was that changed and a time limit put on that as well?
No. People are just confusing an appeal with a challenge.
umpires whiffed on the dropped 3rd strike rule here. 1st base was occupied, so the batter can’t advance unless there’s 2 outs.
Tony likes to stand up for rules but not players that’s a nice manager they have there in the south side of Chicago
They’re 1st in there Division…
@@hobbs12cats I know he is a good manager but he really likes to stand up for rules
I actually genuinely laughed at this. Amazing content keep it up. It makes my day when I see a new jomboy post
That is pretty slick. Someone spent alot of hours thinking that one up. Good for them!!
If he called him safe,the runner has no recourse the play is over.
But even after the safe call, if the player had gone back to touch the plate, they wouldn't have been able to appeal. The reason Burnes stepped off of the plate and threw to home was so that the catcher could step on the plate and effectively get the force out at home. If the runner had touched the plate, even after being called safe, there is no grounds for appeal because they still have to have the ball while touching the plate to record the out.
He called the safe signal, he didn’t call the runner safe until the appeal at the plate.
Safe is used for no catch, no obstruction, no fan interference, and important in this situation, no interference by a runner.
He was ruling that the runner was not guilty of interference when he was hit by the ball...
@@rickhaavisto9023 well he waited until the runner was way past the plate almost back in the dugout to only rule no interference. And then rules safe on the appeal too.
A R Ok? So you agree with me that the original commenter is wrong that the umpire ruled the runner safe until the appeal?
Just tell the white sox manager guy that it's an unwritten rule that if the bases are loaded you can have a mound visit and then review if the guy missed the home plate
I like how La Russa turned into a monty python animation w those eyes lol
Counsel will alway be a genius at bending the rules and finding loopholes
I dont even like baseball but your video are so good i watch them. Keep it up backyard alley all day
how is this a Jomboy breakdown without the word "horseshit", tossed in?
LETS GOOOOOO
@@Triplechomending I was gonna fucking say bro, where is it... Let's go!
Most underrated comment Jim!
Because no one involved in the argument said it.
Put a mustache on Tony La Russa and he’s the MyPillow Guy.
Perhaps someone mentioned this. When the P stepped off to appeal the touching of the plate, the umpire clearly called time as he thought the P wanted to change the ball out. The defense can not appeal during a timeout. So it would seem that this appeal is not legal appeal and therefor should not have been ruled on?
No?
C'mon guys, touching the base/plate is baseball 101.
im always baffled by pro players not touching the plate...its like the main objective of baseball, no?😂
You guys never messed up something you do really well 99.9% of the time? They are human too and crap happens...
I dont play baseball so correct me if im wrong but wouldnt the player feel that he didnt touch the plate? like not feeling the flat and hard object on your cleats?
@@Jadiaz-ev9hm they are human. league minimum is also over $500,000 a year. while people do make mistakes it's frustrating when someone who gets paid an absurd amount of money makes a mistake like that.
@@connorwilliams5910 Only frustrating if it costs a life, does physical harm, or you gamble and it costs you money. Though if someone does gamble and loses, that's more on them than the player.
Yeah that get compensated well to play a game, doesn't mean they are perfect. Holding anyone to that high of a standard just makes more stress for ones self than anything.
I disagree that it's a loophole. The challenged play is not the runner failing to touch Home. The challenge is the appeal, which the umpire missed for a completely fair reason. Replay was implemented in large part to help get correct plays that umpires cannot get correct in real time because of unpredictable demands placed on them. The missed call was the appeal play. Replay got it right. It's not a "bug" in the rules. It's a feature.
That rule make totally sense. Go to the pitcher while checking the replay, The challenge rule isn't about that. The mistake have to be in plain view , correct or not to be challenged. Make totally sense.
Tony LaRussa is the a Friggin FOSSIL!!! He says "I wrote that rule!" Umpires like Hmmm. maybe he did? He's certainly old enough to have!? ;)
I think... there's an app for that!
That special technology developed by MLB that the Ump's can use in certain situations, referred to as:
"Call New York"
Your video editor is the best, Jomboy.
Yah Moncada should of stepped on the plate again just to make sure. But once the ump calls him safe, there’s no need to step on the plate again theoretically. It’s like when there’s an outfielder diving for a ball and the base runners are instantly looking to the umpire to make a call of catch or no catch. The play can’t be reviewed because it was dependent on the umpires call in the first place, so the call should of stayed as safe.
not only is it a loophole, its brilliant.
Jomboy: But he didn’t actually see him step on home play cause the ball ricocheted and hit him which I’m fine with
me: no criticism from Jomboy? that’s upsetting
Counsel and his crew are geniuses. This reminds me when they duked their opponents in the postseason by having their starting pitcher throw one pitch and then immediately went to the bullpen to mess with the other teams lineup.
Caleb Gregory, I doubt that's true since pitcher's were required to pitch to the batter until the at bat was complete. After one pitch he could be replaced if he is injured. The rule has since been changed to require the pitcher to pitch to three batters.
@@alanhess9306 I'm pretty sure they changed the rule because of that.
@@dairylandsportswi Yes, as I said, it used to be the pitcher had to face one batter, now the rule is he has to face three batters.
I like this. Guy who was included making a rule. To only find out no rule exists.
Maybe what you thought wasn't what it really is.
I already started laughing when I saw La Russa coming out, what a guy lol
Tony looks a little like Pacino here especially with the eyes.
I was thinking he looks like Lee Majors.
"Say hello to my little friend!"
Nothing more entertaining than JomBoy
So glad I found this channel
The back and forth eyes had me laughing so hard 🤣
(3:15) "Ohhhhhh you sneaky... WHAT!?"
First, I love LaRussa being wrong it’s funny. Anyway, I enjoy this so much because if you miss home plate without needing to slide, you should be out because how that fail😂
First off, the plate umpire under original MLB mechanics will signal safe whether he sees the runner miss HomePlate or not. By rule, the runner is considered safe when he passes the base or plate unless properly appealed. Mechanically, the umpire will pause slightly and then signal safe. It may be possible that in his peripheral vision he saw the plate while trying to avoid deflecting a live ball.
LaRusa only cares about arguing rules that aren't written
Umpire: Where's this rule in MLB?
Manager: The rule is written on the back of my WaWa receipt folded in my back pocket.
Umpire: OoooooooooKay
People want to sleep on Craig Counsell and the Brewers - They are one of the best at identifying loopholes and taking advantage of it. Want another example? Look at the pitcher roster limits - not put in place only just because of the Brewers taking advantage, but it was a strong reason (others had done it as well).
Clever loophole. I bet that retroactive appeals like this might not be allowed in the future so a play can't be reviewed past the 20 second window
Tony LaRussa dropping names 😂😂😂
If La Russa believed reviewing the play was against the rules, why did he wait till after they reviewed it and ruled the runner out to voice his objection???
Take this to the supreme court. It will be called the Sox vs Brewers case.
Okay Jomboy! You know your stuff!
Dear Joe Torre, The key part about this situation is that Moncada misses home plate but the umpire says he is safe. So Moncada has no reason to touch home plate if he thought he missed. If the umpire had not signaled safe, Moncada would have touched the plate. If the umpire signals safe, challenging if the plate was missed should not be possible.
Brilliant strategy by Counsell by the way. The umps got it right, but your rules are wrong.
Or maybe I'm wrong and what you want is every player touching home on a force to run through the plate and come back and touch it again just to be sure.
Was sitting 2nd row behind homeplate was a great game
Doesn't La Russa have a stop light to fall asleep at lmao?
I was at this game and I was confused what they were doing. Thanks for these videos
Larussa “hey but I’m a hall of fame baseball guy 🍻”
Excellent video breakdown!!!
maybe Larussa should have played the unwritten rule card, since he loves those so much
4:00 It's funny how baseball all of a sudden wants a clock and speed to matter.
This is not the game we grew up with.
I feel like I care about *some* boxing, *most* football but freaking everything this channel covers.
Thanks for making this ... really interesting and in-depth analysis
I don't even know shit about baseball but love these videos
I mostly watch hockey, but I’m glad that the replay rules don’t make any sense in baseball either. I feel right at home.
These videos are A+ love them so much. What a sport.
LaRusso needs a new hairstyle, hasn't changed sin the Cardinals LMAO
bring back da series of breaking down just finger guns
2:55 that kid is a kid that goes to my school and his name is Peyton LOL
I think Milwaukee has a case. While they can’t go to replay after the mound visit, using the appeal creates a whole new set of scenarios because your reviewing the appeal. They should maybe clear this up.
🤣Larussa! As a Brewers fan i shake my head at Counsels moves but he looks like a genuis on some things.
Bro is that an Asheville Tourists hat?!?! That's my town!
If only the rule were, "get the play right" instead of fifteen technicalities on the proper procedure for how to figure out how to correctly check the call.
You sir a way better than ESPN
Somebody please make a GIF with the LaRussa shifty eyes
I was at this game and I was so confused what happened, I thought La Russa was about to get thrown out for arguing the call cause they where talking for a long time this whole thing was like a 15 minutes delay
Just an epic video! I love it. Thank you!
Did they check the unwritten rule book too?
The appeal didn't come till after the mound visit. No rule against that.
If this were Alec Bohm they would’ve upheld the safe call. “He definitely touched it, it’s very clear, look at the replay.”
3:37 missing the h in should is just as bad
Bottom line is they got the call right. Isn’t that more important than anything else.
But was it a loophole? Did Counsell actually initiate a challenge? I think not. That would almost certainly be denied after a mound visit. I think he just inserted enough doubt that the umpiring crew decided to review the replay at their discretion.
This is baseball at its finest
The ump f-ed up, the baserunner f-ed up, but based on esoteric technicalities, count the run- La Russo
Best breakdown
Gotta love Craig C!
I don't think the Brewers played the system here. I think they found out about Moncada not crossing the plate, then appealed.
Doesn't matter because the Sox are going to be playing in October. The Brewers aren't.
baseball has leveled up from checkers to chess
Tony almost stroked out when he realized the game at stake.
Well its on the UMP, if he was doing his job and paying attention and not worried about his shin (not that I blame him its hard to not concentrate on an incoming object haha) he would have obviously seen it and called him out.
Do you have a mop/broom in the background? That's bush league man
End Result: Moncada out at home. Brewers knew the rule book to a T, when the writer did not. Brewers made their objection and Moncada never touched home in the first place. Is it a loophole that should be closed? Maybe, was Moncada out, yes.
"SOULD" lol 3:45