@@craigw.scribner6490 of course! Tom Hanks as he gets older he’ll now portray presidents, what a fantastic idea. Tom Hanks as FDR, I like the sound of that!
There was a very good book called Night Of the Assassins By Howard Blum on this a couple years ago, and this one is excellent also, with a lot of intriguing related stories and background info.
Any group, community ,nation gathers "Allies" . It never means you're "Friends". Circumstances change, goals change,,thus who you associate with, help changes.
@@marvinmartin4692 True. That's the point. Today they're your BFF. Tomorrow they're your Mortal Enemies. Human nature n their needs ,desires, necessities change constantly.
I would say they were likely allies since the Soviets reached out to the west about Hitler and Germany years before actually signing the Molotov-Ribbentorp pact and cooperating with the Nazis...
WRONG! the only reason the soviets even had a chance was because of your US lend lease program. if the US had stayed out of the war completely Germany would have won. and the world would be a better place today.
Churchill hoped to put GB at the top of the best sadly he was used the reality is that FDR did not like Churchill very much, FDR played his cards extremely well great president
Not true. Roosevelt and Churchill were quite close, but FDR was a realist foremost and well understood power dynamics. He was not going to sell out American interests, even to a friend.
Roosevelt and Stalin agreed (even before Tehran) that Churchill needed to understand it wasn't a primary goal of the allied effort to go restore the British Empire. They effectively told him: "we're not sending millions of our you g men to risk their lives in battle in order to hand your empire back to you on silver plate afterwards. Once this is over and the Axis is defeated, Britain will have to start dismantling her own colonial empire: history has gone past that kind of thing". Britain was massively dependent on the US for being able to continue at this point - London fought much of the war from 1941 on American credit, both in money, military hardware and supplies - and they also needed the USSR to stay in the war, so he had little choice but to accept. By getting voted out of office two months after the German surrender, he was spared the trouble of having to launch the process himself, but the independence of India in 1947 had been demanded by his two bigger allies.
@Richard Schiffman True, but Churchill (whose mother was American, of course) still has the advantage that most people still see the war the way he told it, from his perspective (a perspective that hides Britain's shortcomings, the dark sides of British imperialism, his own difficult choices and mistakes). Churchill's war memoirs/history of WW2 set the classic template for the western allied "story of the War" with Chamberlain as the King of Fools and Churchill as the overlooked brave knight who saves a betrayed England (like Ivanhoe?), Democracy and the Empire when almost everyone else was about to give in. Because of Britain's quiet abdication from the role as a first-rate imperial power soon after the war, and because Churchill did not have to oversee this change, Britain's geopolitical aims in fighting out the war were obscured, they became much easier to gloss over and forget.
What's absent from this short view is that Stalin and Hitler made an alliance, the Molotov, Von Ribbentrop non aggression pact where they divided up Poland and started WW2. Russia was always an enemy in the 20th century but the U.S. and England found the Russians useful at that point in the war. They returned to being enemy's after the war and the diabolical Churchill understood that best.
It's not absent in that they mentioned they were unlikely allies. However, it's worth noting that the Soviets tried reaching out of the west about the Nazis before actually signing the pact.
I mean the US already knew, it’s why they raced towards Germany, but the Soviets got to Berlín first. A few months before the war ended they were preparing contingencies to counter them. Specifically in Japan since Russia wanted to land grab
Believing is subjective. Guys in power like war. It's engaging and they personally are not on the battlefields. They are in their palaces, eating well while maids clean the toilets, floors and make their beds.
@Danny Tallmage Yeah, they didn’t want to give the image that he was dying. In fact once he passed away the Japanese and Germans used the news to scare troops into thinking they were gonna lose since they lost their leader. Could you imagine how they would act if Hitler died early like in 1943?
I understand Patton's frustration, but I honestly think we would have had a showdown with the Nazis no matter what. It was really a matter of who were we going to face first, them or the Communists. Remember Hitler and his government had been doing research into developing an atomic bomb. If we had fought the Soviets first, the Nazis probably would have exploded the bomb and soon started a Cold War themselves. There was no real good solution.
It seems "The Brotherhood of Lucifer" strikes again. Btw...There are no good guys in this plot. Lots of innocent people unfortunately died. Is it just me, or wasn't the bald guy getting excited talking about how the civilians were starving?
@@archimedes3518 Oh PUHLEEZ. You Ruskies Loathed Jews too. Murdered, slaughtered ,drove out Millions from their homes,businesses. Even now your Government treats them like Sh#$. 🤣
@@alphaomega5909 Русские спасли от нацистов и полного физического уничтожения миллионы евреев! Если бы не советский солдат, то западные цивилизаторы всех евреев загнали бы в крематорий!
@@archimedes3518 Bwwww. I don't read GIBBERISH kiddo. Americans n most immigrants speak English. But nice Buffonish try at commenting in RUSKIE . To avoid the issues. Oh well. You just AGAIN by commenting even in Ruskie ,,increasing this TH-cam channels popularity. Plus Making it $$. Too cute.
Our Heavenly Father created many from potters of the clay and we break down the word germ and many everywhere they went including the alienated angels 👽🍎 they used. He never said that they were pure or superior but he name them after germs.
I love the concept of the book. I hope some products of Hollywood buy the rights of the book and turn it into a world war ll thriller. Kinda remains of a movie I saw years ago when i was a young man. The Eagle has Landed. About a plot to kidnap Winston Churchill. Not exactly the same but still remains me of the movie
I love this balanced look from historians about something we can't be sure about. And it's an incredibly juicy story whether it happened or not.
Brad Meltzer just gets it when it comes to history. Why it’s important, why the stories that came before should be passed on
If I had the money, I would own every book of his, he makes history interesting
Whether it didn't happen or not it would have made a great movie. Starting Tom Hanks
Jason Alexander as Churchill!
Who else could it have starred but Tom Hanks?
@@craigw.scribner6490 of course! Tom Hanks as he gets older he’ll now portray presidents, what a fantastic idea. Tom Hanks as FDR, I like the sound of that!
There's already a movie. It's on YT
It already exists, called "Desert Commandos."
th-cam.com/video/Pg6FodI9o0U/w-d-xo.html
The plot thickens.... on several levels. I recall hearing of this 'plot' in my college American History course.
There was a very good book called Night Of the Assassins By Howard Blum on this a couple years ago, and this one is excellent also, with a lot of intriguing related stories and background info.
They need to make this into a movie.
That would be awesome
I believe there is an episode of ‘Churchill’s Bodygaurd’ which references this event
While I wouldn’t be surprised if this was true , it would also have been a great story to get FDR into the Soviet Embassy
I'm a big fan of history, I think my dad has read a couple of Brad Meltzer's books. I like most anything involving history.
Thanks, all. And you’ll see even more evidence in the book.
I have never read a book 📕 about war history, until now!
Not a plot. Not a conspiracy. Reasonable and foreseeable military operation by a rational national command authority.
Eavesdropping and surveilling a Head of State? I can't imagine!
I love these type of books, because although we’re not sure, and never will be, it is still amazing to think on these things
But I heard Hitler loved The Three Stooges
I've never read any of his books, but the only thing I know of Meltzer is that he wrote some superhero books
His shows are all about what if. He just brings more confusion
@@biozio186 That's the point. He's just another political hack.
Read Six Months in 1945, FDR, Stalin, Churchill and Truman--From World War to Cold War, written by Michael Dobbs sheds light on this alliance.
80 years ago today.
Any group, community ,nation gathers "Allies" . It never means you're "Friends". Circumstances change, goals change,,thus who you associate with, help changes.
Stalin and hitler were allies briefly
@@marvinmartin4692 True. That's the point. Today they're your BFF. Tomorrow they're your Mortal Enemies. Human nature n their needs ,desires, necessities change constantly.
Only interests are eternal, and even those are subject to change.
Just like "The Brotherhood" of the Masonic order?
I would say they were likely allies since the Soviets reached out to the west about Hitler and Germany years before actually signing the Molotov-Ribbentorp pact and cooperating with the Nazis...
if its not verified why dedicate a segment of precious time?
Because Flatiron Books paid a lot for that infomercial.
Money
There IS credible sources for this event.
Meltzer wrote a book about a plot against George Washington that was even more thinly verified. Not a recommend.
That's something that I was not aware of, whereas one historian (5:44) doesn't believe that there's not enough evidence for it.
We were in war, why would that be surprising???
Interesting
I love this show
2:00 typical American-centric view.
The Soviets would have still won the war... It would have just taken longer.
Likely, Britain would hold on too...
WRONG! the only reason the soviets even had a chance was because of your US lend lease program. if the US had stayed out of the war completely Germany would have won. and the world would be a better place today.
A better book would be about how Stalin played Roosevelt.
I like the notion that Stalin instigated the story to get Roosevelt into Russian embassy for eavesdropping.
Look up Operation Long Jump
Stalin really was the unlikely one!
I think so too
Just bought this book
Intriguing, but it requires far more corroboration from credible sources.
Maybe they poisoned him at the embassy and thats why he died so soon after.
He hung on for 2 more years, slow acting poison?
Kanye is crying hearing this story.
I wonder why FDR didn’t stay in the British Embassy?
That’s covered in the book.
Churchill hoped to put GB at the top of the best sadly he was used the reality is that FDR did not like Churchill very much, FDR played his cards extremely well great president
Not true. Roosevelt and Churchill were quite close, but FDR was a realist foremost and well understood power dynamics. He was not going to sell out American interests, even to a friend.
Roosevelt and Stalin agreed (even before Tehran) that Churchill needed to understand it wasn't a primary goal of the allied effort to go restore the British Empire. They effectively told him: "we're not sending millions of our you g men to risk their lives in battle in order to hand your empire back to you on silver plate afterwards. Once this is over and the Axis is defeated, Britain will have to start dismantling her own colonial empire: history has gone past that kind of thing". Britain was massively dependent on the US for being able to continue at this point - London fought much of the war from 1941 on American credit, both in money, military hardware and supplies - and they also needed the USSR to stay in the war, so he had little choice but to accept.
By getting voted out of office two months after the German surrender, he was spared the trouble of having to launch the process himself, but the independence of India in 1947 had been demanded by his two bigger allies.
@Richard Schiffman True, but Churchill (whose mother was American, of course) still has the advantage that most people still see the war the way he told it, from his perspective (a perspective that hides Britain's shortcomings, the dark sides of British imperialism, his own difficult choices and mistakes). Churchill's war memoirs/history of WW2 set the classic template for the western allied "story of the War" with Chamberlain as the King of Fools and Churchill as the overlooked brave knight who saves a betrayed England (like Ivanhoe?), Democracy and the Empire when almost everyone else was about to give in. Because of Britain's quiet abdication from the role as a first-rate imperial power soon after the war, and because Churchill did not have to oversee this change, Britain's geopolitical aims in fighting out the war were obscured, they became much easier to gloss over and forget.
Hanks could play FDR
Crazy that is was Tehran when you think about the context of modern world. But I guess Oslo wasn't actually a choice.
It’s been 80+ Years Since the 1940’s.
Total BS
Why didn't Roosevelt go to the British embassy?
Operation paperclip...
What if Japan played a role?
What's absent from this short view is that Stalin and Hitler made an alliance, the Molotov, Von Ribbentrop non aggression pact where they divided up Poland and started WW2. Russia was always an enemy in the 20th century but the U.S. and England found the Russians useful at that point in the war. They returned to being enemy's after the war and the diabolical Churchill understood that best.
It's not absent in that they mentioned they were unlikely allies.
However, it's worth noting that the Soviets tried reaching out of the west about the Nazis before actually signing the pact.
I mean the US already knew, it’s why they raced towards Germany, but the Soviets got to Berlín first. A few months before the war ended they were preparing contingencies to counter them. Specifically in Japan since Russia wanted to land grab
I don’t know what to believe?
Believing is subjective. Guys in power like war. It's engaging and they personally are not on the battlefields.
They are in their palaces, eating well while maids clean the toilets, floors and make their beds.
But you can't deny it was probably more than likely ever talked about
I wouldn’t have minded Stalin knocked off
Check out the paratroopers at 1/2 speed. I think their dummies/not human. File film obviously. Thanks for the interesting history lesson tho.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradummy
@@lizasilomar8545 Thanks, My Uncle was a Paratrooper in WW2. I knew about the dummies, that's how I caught it. But did 1/2 speed anyway to confirm it.
Why was this story necessary?
Because it's interesting and informative
@@ernstthalmann4306 Most people don't think history is important or interesting.
Because their Disinformation Agent is selling horse manure disguised as "History"
Imagine the current cold war being so boring that you make videos about some old grave-warmers.
FDR "crossing" his paralyzed legs(???)
He and his staff did a lot of little things like that to hide the full extent of his condition.
@Danny Tallmage Yeah, they didn’t want to give the image that he was dying. In fact once he passed away the Japanese and Germans used the news to scare troops into thinking they were gonna lose since they lost their leader. Could you imagine how they would act if Hitler died early like in 1943?
To bad they weren't successful with Stalin. Would have saved many innocent lives in the Soviet Union after the war.
This would be a good Idiana Jones movie.....
Sounds like a conspiracy theory designed to sell books.
It was clearly written just to make the authors money; truth is no obstacle for profit.
If it's in youtube you know they don't tell the truth or the whole story
We never should have helped Russia
THE BIG 3
“We foght the wrong enemy”
- General George S. Patton
o/
I understand Patton's frustration, but I honestly think we would have had a showdown with the Nazis no matter what. It was really a matter of who were we going to face first, them or the Communists. Remember Hitler and his government had been doing research into developing an atomic bomb. If we had fought the Soviets first, the Nazis probably would have exploded the bomb and soon started a Cold War themselves. There was no real good solution.
The axis still lost and that wont change anytime soon 😂
We still fought them both? Though your side actually roots for Russia nowadays, so much for loyalties.
Just a commercial for two …’s book.
It seems "The Brotherhood of Lucifer" strikes again. Btw...There are no good guys in this plot. Lots of innocent people unfortunately died. Is it just me, or wasn't the bald guy getting excited talking about how the civilians were starving?
Сталин - сила!
Советская Россия уничтожила нацизм, спасла миллионы евреев!
Hey Putin!
@@MrRufusRToyota Байден - капут!
@@archimedes3518 Oh PUHLEEZ. You Ruskies Loathed Jews too. Murdered, slaughtered ,drove out Millions from their homes,businesses. Even now your Government treats them like Sh#$. 🤣
@@alphaomega5909 Русские спасли от нацистов и полного физического уничтожения миллионы евреев!
Если бы не советский солдат, то западные цивилизаторы всех евреев загнали бы в крематорий!
@@archimedes3518 Bwwww. I don't read GIBBERISH kiddo. Americans n most immigrants speak English. But nice Buffonish try at commenting in RUSKIE . To avoid the issues. Oh well. You just AGAIN by commenting even in Ruskie ,,increasing this TH-cam channels popularity. Plus Making it $$. Too cute.
It was totally the Iranians fault that nazis were nazis.
Our Heavenly Father created many from potters of the clay and we break down the word germ and many everywhere they went including the alienated angels 👽🍎 they used. He never said that they were pure or superior but he name them after germs.
If onyl they suceeded,
My favourite relative 🇬🇪💚 Stalin 🇬🇪
HE İS COWARD DEATH
@@slayerofhindusCope turk
He wrote the book for money.
Don’t they all?
Who doesn't?
So what?
I love the concept of the book. I hope some products of Hollywood buy the rights of the book and turn it into a world war ll thriller. Kinda remains of a movie I saw years ago when i was a young man. The Eagle has Landed. About a plot to kidnap Winston Churchill. Not exactly the same but still remains me of the movie
woke much ?