I have noticed that over the last year, Editor Amber has been sneaking in more of her personality into the videos. I for one like it. I appreciate your edits and the new flair that you add to the team.
I have had 10 synology devices in my professional career in IT. Only let me down once when a power supply died. Used a PC power supply with a paperclip bypass, only to find that you can just swap all the drives into another Synology and everything will be there!
Just got myself a DS220+ this January. I am really impressed with the usability of it all: Installing the drives into the bay trays and the UI is super easy to work out. It's going to be fun having my first Synology NAS, for both backup and sync from my other computers. I have only ever previously had either windows or linux network storage, with some minecraft server and Plex. With this DS220+ I already feel much more safe, comfortable and confident with all my data. I stuffed in two 2TB SSD's into it with SHR Btrfs with it's automatic mirror mode.
I wanted Synology a few years back, but the CPU was still under powered. I ended up going the XPENology route (still using). With a Ryzen CPU, this new DS1821+ is a nice step up
That may not be a big deal, depending on what you get as part of the enterprise support. At least the enterprise companies I've worked with wouldn't typically buy the drives separately from the storage system, it would be part of the package deal with the vendor or business partner. That way you don't have to source drives yourself, or end up in long support cases where lots of configurations need to be tested and verified. If you later need to extend the capacity, again you would approach your business partner for that. Yes it's potentially more expensive upfront, but if you're in the IT department for a large company you don't want to spend a lot of time investigating hardware issues.
@@7rich79 No sure I would agree. Especially with a company like Synology who seems to feel that all of the add-on accessories are worth 4 - 5 times the price of industry norms. It would make their products even more unaffordable than they already are.
You’re going to hear the drives spinning more than the fans. Still mad that the 10tb IronWolf drives I upgraded to are a lot louder than the older ones.
Synology DS 411 since 2011 running WD Reds. NEVER been shut off. Records security camera activity and that hammers the hard drive and coincidentally sounds like a machine gun. Holds my photos ,music and movies. Still going, no issues.
@@krackpot_ I've been using FreeNAS for two years now on a 4 core atom with 2 drives for two years now, haven't had any storage issues, but I am feeling the freebsd limitations when trying to mess with VMs and containers.
@krackpot Sorry, thought I mentioned what I went with above. I'm no expert like Wendell...in fact I'm probably 0.01% Wendell! I would say your choice comes down to your previous knowledge, the time you can invest and how important your data is. If you have advanced IT knowledge, TrueNAS will scratch that itch and you'll be well suited. If you don't want to know about the nuts and bolts and just want data storage, I'd go with Synology. Unfortunately the decision is more based on what you know about yourself, than I know - and I know nothing about you! It's a little like someone saying, "I want a car, what car should I buy?", without first knowing what you want to do with the car (commute, race, etc.), or whether you want to get your hands dirty or have something with low maintenance. Hope that helps!
@@bikerchrisukk for some reason I thought you had used both and ended up with truenas. Although I don’t know you, was just curious how you ended at that decision. Was it some killer feature that one had over the other that tipped the scales? I like hearing different perspectives especially from people who have tried both as they have different insights that help inform my decision making.
@@TheAnoniemo I dug my old machine back out with freenas and have been toying with it. At this point I want to simplify administration so I’m at the crossroads whether to stick it out with free/truenas or just go the “easy” way with synology. I don’t know if it really matters these days anymore, but ZFS still seems like the champ. I even kitted the machine with ECC. Now that the 1821+ has ECC, it’s a harder decision...
You probably dont care but does someone know a way to get back into an instagram account?? I was dumb lost my login password. I appreciate any help you can give me.
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Awesome, I got two of the rackmount dual psu versions of this NAS on the way. I ordered the 10G dual NVMe card for them to. Cant wait to set them up and start testing.
I just got one of these for my movie collection. Flashed a UHD-Bluray player to rip my UHD disks (I don't pirate), USB-passthrough to a virtual machine, and presto. More storage than I'll probably need, exceptionally quiet for what it is, and so easy to work with the virtual machines. The only downside is that Synology claims that you have to use their ludicrously overpriced RAM but there are several manufacturers that sell compatible RAM. Just be a bit careful with what you buy. This device is great.
I'm running a 1512+ since 2012 or 2013, and it's stills running great. Most of the drives have died by now, but that's basically expected after years, even with NAS drives. I'm actually surprised they are stills providing security updates occasionally, even if they don't provide feature updates for maybe 2 or 3 years now. If it dies someday, the new one is probably a Synology again, if I can afford it.
Same here. Have 5 X 6GB WD Red Pro drives in it. (Had 2TB drives initially then went to 4TB and last the 6TB). Just purchased a DS1821+ and have 3 X 18TB WD Red Pros on order. (Sucks that they aren't in the Official Synology Compatibility list though). Will also be upgrading to 32GB RAM (Not Synology though. Not paying 4 X the price for something that is probably made by the same people that make the Kingston ECC Ram I am going to put into it. Same goes for the 2 NVME M.2 drives I will be installing. Not sure why Synology thinks they can slap their name on something and then charge 4 times the industry standard price?). Will continue to use my DS1512+ as the main backup. I also still have a CS407 that I use just for video storage. That must have been running since about 2008 or so. I think that's where 4 of the 2TB drives ended up?
you've lost multiple NAS disks in 10 years? did i get really lucky or should i be really woried? because i have lost 1 internal and 2 external non NAS disks in 15 years
idk :) synology is pretty user friendly :) maybe iSCSI ... isnt for filthy casual :D btw. i am running my servers and VMs on Proxmox with ZFS. Cheaper and maybe better than VMware (i hate vcenter :D)
thanks i really liked this review with all the detailed explenations. i'm considering buying this one and your review certainly is making the decision easier.
Hey Wendell, more and more sources claim that Ryzen's ECC doesn't actually work for one reason or another and the BIOS just says it does. After looking into it, would you be willing to test for ECC actually working with deliberate errors?
From what I can tell, it’s on the motherboard developer (Synology in this case) to implement it. I’m sure that if they’re advertising the capability, they’ll make sure it works. That would be a hell of a lawsuit opportunity otherwise.
A big question here: could use this PCIe slot for a low power GPU card? To help in transcoding and VMs? Like my Quadro P2000 ? Can you make a video how to make it if it possible. Thanks a lot for all your videos
Thank you for a great overview. It was running amazingly quiet! How many drives were installed during that sound level check? And which drives - the WD Red Plus?
@@Bob_Smith19 100%. It is frustrating they don't have 10gbit by default for larger drives but I do not understand why they don't at least have 2.5gbit nics as they are popping up on all kinds of devices.
I had an OCZ agility 3 60GB drive that was my first ever SSD. They are still a beast compared to any HDD available at the time, though I eneded up replacing it for a larger capacity samsung drive a few years later, and that samsung one failed!, went back to the agility 3 while it was being RMA'd
Nice hardware would like to see more of these in theory or Server builds on channels to show actual implementation. i.e. running all the software and performing tasks That's were I get excited 😉
Still only cache for the M.2 slots? I want to run DSM from the M.2's and only use the spinning rust volumes for backups and such. I had to add two 2.5" SSDs to my 918+, create a separate volume for them and then via SSH do some magic with mdadm to remove DSM from the spinning disk volume and on to the SSD volume. DSM complains about it, but I can just ignore it. Would love for Synology to let me choose on which volumes DSM is running and where application data is installed. Currently it will be placed on the first volume you create during initial setup and DSM will be mirrored to all volumes you install after that. Good thing it's using mdraid under the hood and not some proprietary stuff!
I still have one of those OCZ drives for random junk. 15 reallocations, 20+ TB written, 23247 hours and counting :) Given my experience with other sandforce drives I'm honestly surprised it's tugging along as well as it does even with dead blocks
@4:00, that's a really big piece of misinformation! In the US at least, it is illegal for them to deny a warranty for opening or modifying a device unless they can show that it is what caused the failure. So you do not lose your warranty for shucking a drive to use internally. If someone has issues getting WD or Seagate or whoever to warranty a shucked drive, if they namedrop the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act you should quickly see them change their tune. Also if you save the husk (the external drive parts), you can often put it back in the shell and not have any issues at all.
Just FYI - I shucked 4 x 4TB Western Digital HD's - two of them failed but only after I'd got rid of the enclosures. I RMA'd the bare metal drives back to WD and got two replacements sent out with enclosures. My argument then and now is that it was the drive that failed, not the enclosure, which is after all just a SATA to USB 3.0 conversion PCB and power switch plus plastic box.
Great overview. I am considering the 1621 or this 1821+. I am a little concerned about the lack of transcoding for plex. Is it possible to run a nuc with the nas across my network? I have Unifi UDM Pro and a 24 PoE Pro. A video on this set up would be welcomed. Thanks again. Glad I found your channel.
I'm surprised that they didn't do a V1605B processor. Maybe in one of the beefier appliances? Any chance you could do a performance review? Eg. HFS+ network share for a 500GB+ OSX Photos library :-D
Hmm, yeah all „prepared“, but very expensive. A good PC dealer or IT-friend, would build you an easy to use NAS for much less and more power and possibilities. Here in Germany the cheapest Synology shown by Wendell is about 1K€! And OpenMediaVault or an Xpen... ;-) is also easy to use. Great review anyway, but the cost factor came too short. Cheers, ThePeperich
Would like to see a plex transcoding friendly version of this 8 bay NAS. I have the 5 bay DS1019+ and it's really great, But in future I would like a larger 8 bay NAS without needing to get an expansion unit. 3 things I would like to see in a future product if Synology is watching. 1. At least 2.5GbE ports, Time to move on from 1GbE NAS especially on these high end models. 2.CPU that can transcode Plex 3.Put a few strips of felt tape in the packaging for people to noise dampen the hdd's, Wouldn't cost much. I found by using felt tape and then sliding drives into the NAS, It has solved all vibration noise coming from the enclosure, Also I cut some small felt tape squares and stuck it onto the bottom of the NAS rubber feet, It's as silent! as you can get it to be. ;)
Are you covering Asustor NAS units anytime soon Wendell? I'm specially interested in its multiplatform streaming thing and they seem to have tons of apps and features as well.
I broke down and purchased this and 2 Micron MTA18ASF2G72HZ-2G6E1 16GB DDR4-2666 ECC SODIMM’s, a Mellanox MCX312B-XCCT CX312B ConnectX-3 EN Pro 10GbE SFP+ Dual-Port PCIe NIC and 2 500gb 970 evo plus nvme drives.
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I think it was such an omission that this didn't came out of the box with 10GBe. Wanted to get one, but will pass until they have one at similar price with the m2 nvme and 10Gbe. Hopefully they release something this year. Hopefully with hardware encoding for plex!
By any chance, will you have a video with the 10Gbe up anytime soon? I’m wondering what the file transfer performance is on this thing. Would it be able to handle video editing? Thanks
@@stranger7968 Oh.. OK :) Could be because they're on Floatplane too but I don't really understand how it will compete for views long term. Floatplane's paywall is insane...
@@Dzinglazz It doesn't and nor does it require any additional time beyond configuring initial sync with TH-cam. However, Wendell did say that they might be hosting a few Peertube instances. Wonder what the status of that. Do you have an update for us, @Level1Techs
@@mauritsl84 the psu died a while back and I replaced it, this time it was the c2000 atom bug that killed it. It's now running again after I soldered some resistors to the mainboard to counter the voltage dropoffs, but that won't last long. Going diy now with freenas or similar. OH and the psu is also faulty again but can be supplemented with an atx psu.
@@deinemamainhd yes the atom bug is terrible. Truenas is nice. I run it as a backup for my synology. 6x6tb in mirrored vdev (raid 10 like).. i run freenas for 3 years now and rock solid. Had some performance issues with the last version. 10GBe was slow but fixed in U2 after creating a ticket. Good service from the community and ticketsystem. My Ds3018xs psu also died but easy replacement.
Wendell, I'm on the fence between Synology devices. Maybe you could help me make a decision ... between the the DS1621+ and the DS1520+. I like the reviews I see about the DS1520+ (w/ the Intel cpu) ... but I really like the Ryzen cpu and ECC RAM in the DS1621+. I recently built myself a desktop with the Ryzen 5 3600, absolutely love that machine. I know it's not the latest and greatest that Ryzen offers, but it will do everything I need ... and then some! I don't think I need the 6 bays that come on the DS1621+, but it doesn't look like they make a 4 or 5 bay model in their Ryzen line-up. I guess I'm just wondering if the Ryzen version is better than their Intel DS1520+?? Thank you very much!
The extra bay could come in handy if you have a disk failure. You can add the replacement disk without taking out the failing disk. Much safer that way?
Unfortunately steely, some of the WD Red drives have SMR. I didn’t know about SMR at the time and ended up buying three of them and my NAS slowed to a crawl randomly.
Do it on cheep ;) Odroid H2 + USB3 orico 5 bay. I know 150MB/s is slow but good enough for docker app + backup. Main disk get backup and move it nightly on rest disk + off side backblaze (pictures only) so it cost much. One downside it has to be maintenance sometimes upgrades make you figure what is wrong now, but it's linux you can do almost everything, it take time but it's working.
I bought this for security off my network when I remote in and software. Synology SHR is perfect not having to upgrade all drives to see increased hdd capcity... I an sure true nas is great but already have two 24 bay unraid servers for local stuff.
@@stranger7968 yeah Synology's very much in the Apple way of making money, you pay over the top for the HW because the SW is free. I like the HW form factor though, just buy one, slap disks in & go. There's enough to setup & play with in the SW to keep me plenty busy!
@@AgentLokVokun Well if you're offering I'll take one for free 😁! They are pricey, but they are a great integrated system, it's the Apple mentality really.
@@HOkayson ou can have one for free but I also might have a bridge I can sell you on the side. Real talk tho. These things are a nice appliance. But if anything besides the HDDs go bad (for the most part) you'd be dead in the water. PSU failures on these devices are more common then you'd think. But finding a replacement isn't easy or cheap unless it's under support.
I've *heard* that WD drives that are shucked can be warrantied like usual. WD is well aware these are shucked all the time and don't invalidate any warranties. I've even heard you don't need to put them back into their original enclosure. At least this is from anecdotal claims from r/datahoarder
How is the Synology client on Pop!_OS 20.1 (similar to Ubuntu 20.1)? I have heard there are issues getting the Synology drive client to work with the latest Ubuntu releases. One of the reasons I am switching from Drobo to Synology is because of the client Linux support. Drobo’s work with Linux but the Drobo dashboard is only available for MacOS and Win. Drobo never attempted to support Linux OSes.
I have an old 4 years old synolgy box that had a defective sata riser whilch made it inoperative. Try to find replacement from synolgy as its out of warranty. Synolgy hq dont sell support and pushing to local agent which dont support only sale of new unit. Therefore dont buy synolgy anymore as they dont even had hardware spare support
I didn't know about the potential savings by ripping a drive out of an external enclosure. That actually really sucks because the enclosure is just going to end up getting tossed. Maybe the HDD manufacturers should consider selling no/low warranty bare drives at those lower prices.
People are already extremely confused about the product lines as they are. Selling a piece of electronics new with no warranty would be a shot in the foot when people are outraged by it.
The only thing I really care about is this: Will this be powerful enough to Plex direct play a 4K blu-ray rip (bit for bit identical as disc, no handbrake) to my NVidia Shield?
Synology did this to new enterprise models because Synology is the vendor that will be supporting the hardware. This kind of hardware is generally not purchased without a vendor plan. In response Synology needs to be certain that they can service the hardware they sold you. This is standard practice in the enterprise world. IBM and Dell are doing the exact same thing. If you put disel into your gasoline car, you will loose warranty. Same idea.
This is basically the response to the HDD shenanigans mentioned in the video. Synology was getting a ton of senseless support requests because HDD vendors were doing BS that was outside their control. Can't really fault them for that to be honest. Also if you had payed attention you'd know that this only applies to the Enterprise line of devices.
Can you make a video about mirroring synology nas to another synology nas? There are quirks about mirroring home folder and setting up tc if you choose to connect them over vpn.
Durability, reliability, temp control, .etc are not the only reason you should use NAS drives and not Desktop drives. Desktop error recovery control is not time-limited like NAS and Enterprise drives that can rely on the RAID controllers to deal with error-correction. Because desktop drivers can take longer, it can fool the RAID controller into thinking the driver has gone offline while its doing its thing (and this does happen I have seen it when desktop drivers are used in a RAID config). Pretty sucky when drives disappear from a RAID volume, not because they are bad, but they just needed to take a breath.
Hello, great video, well I am new with this NAS thing, I want to buy the same model, DS1821+, and I want to populate it with 8 14tb drives... but I have a question... Is it also necessary to populate it with the SSDs NVME??... Thanks.
Hmmm. VMware VSAN witness. Been there, played with it on my Synology, not super impressed. Better off with shared storage, NFS or ISCSI and just pointing your hosts to it. My test environment at work is using an NFS share. Still not a fan of VSAN. I've already lost VMs to it in a 3 host cluster because two drives failed on the same host over the weekend. Shared storage configured properly would have been better off. Nicely though, Synology active backup for business saved the day. I still want my VFLASH back though!!!
It doesn’t run in BTRFS raid 5. It runs each drive stand-alone in BTRFS and then uses MDADM to make a hybrid RAID5 of the drives. So you get the benefits of BTRFS without the potential downfalls. This configuration can be replicated in any Linux if your system dies and you want to get the data off.
only a few minutes into the review as of this comment, but the one thing that keeps coming to mind its a known thing that companies tend to drop proper support most consumer NAS models after 2-3 years tops. which just undermines the whole point of buying a pre-built NAS frustratingly. my personal experience reflects this too, whatever drives you use are almost guaranteed to outlive the NAS past its usable service life.
Bought my first Synology NAS in 2011 (yes 10 years ago), an entry consumer level. Last DSM (Synology's OS) update took place less than 4 months ago. Last app update was 2 days ago. Maybe "companies" tend do drop "most" consumer NAS model support, but SYNOLOGY doesn't.
10:23 --- Atom C2000 frying out, a beneficial reminder / PSA. Proprietary NAS's are a hard sell . . . They necessitate having on-hand and at-the-ready a secondary, identical scavenger machine in case the primary machine build fails. There's no replacement process for broken components or failed parts on any reasonably timely basis. Kindest regards, friends.
4:00 Actually Western Digital at least will honor the warranty on shucked drives. Byte My Bits, someone who does a bunch of Plex and Unraid videos, sent in a failed WD white label drive he shucked and they honored it. It makes sense too because at least in the US they have to prove what you did to it was the cause of failure, and simply removing the drive from its enclosure would not kill it.
I wanna get this NAS to replace my unraid with i7 2600 and ECC ram gonna be awesome. I had a few memory issus with my i7 2600 and crashing my server >.
speaking of offsite backups, I wonder how well those usb sticks stored in the banks safe deposit box have held up without being powered on for a year ... damn human malware.
"Using this a a Linux computer" It supports NVME cache and ECC memory - I would install Linux + ZFS on it, and use it that way. The format factor is sweet and I do not give a hoot about web interface or Synology apps.
I shucked anyway and yolo'd. Drives are working fine well past warranty now. Be very careful about SSD type. The usage by synology beats the shot out of them. Friends with Samsungs thinking those are great on the desktop killed them in months in their synology boxes. Use the compatibility list.
Nice just the video I need. Looking for a NAS, but maybe the little brother of this one the DS1621+ is better for my uses... And it's cheaper. But great video :D
I have noticed that over the last year, Editor Amber has been sneaking in more of her personality into the videos. I for one like it. I appreciate your edits and the new flair that you add to the team.
Thank you, I really appreciate that! ~ Editor Amber
I have had 10 synology devices in my professional career in IT. Only let me down once when a power supply died. Used a PC power supply with a paperclip bypass, only to find that you can just swap all the drives into another Synology and everything will be there!
Just got myself a DS220+ this January. I am really impressed with the usability of it all: Installing the drives into the bay trays and the UI is super easy to work out.
It's going to be fun having my first Synology NAS, for both backup and sync from my other computers. I have only ever previously had either windows or linux network storage, with some minecraft server and Plex. With this DS220+ I already feel much more safe, comfortable and confident with all my data.
I stuffed in two 2TB SSD's into it with SHR Btrfs with it's automatic mirror mode.
I wanted Synology a few years back, but the CPU was still under powered.
I ended up going the XPENology route (still using).
With a Ryzen CPU, this new DS1821+ is a nice step up
At least you can put whatever hard drives you want in this unlike their “enterprise” equipment.
That may not be a big deal, depending on what you get as part of the enterprise support. At least the enterprise companies I've worked with wouldn't typically buy the drives separately from the storage system, it would be part of the package deal with the vendor or business partner. That way you don't have to source drives yourself, or end up in long support cases where lots of configurations need to be tested and verified. If you later need to extend the capacity, again you would approach your business partner for that. Yes it's potentially more expensive upfront, but if you're in the IT department for a large company you don't want to spend a lot of time investigating hardware issues.
Still $950 ... i'd rather build a custom nas
@@7rich79 No sure I would agree. Especially with a company like Synology who seems to feel that all of the add-on accessories are worth 4 - 5 times the price of industry norms. It would make their products even more unaffordable than they already are.
You’re going to hear the drives spinning more than the fans. Still mad that the 10tb IronWolf drives I upgraded to are a lot louder than the older ones.
Synology DS 411 since 2011 running WD Reds. NEVER been shut off. Records security camera activity and that hammers the hard drive and coincidentally sounds like a machine gun. Holds my photos ,music and movies. Still going, no issues.
Really great demo of what pre made hardware solutions are out there right now. 👍
P.S. I've gone the TrueNAS route, for better or worse!
What are you using now? Deciding on either Synology or TrueNAS currently. Would greatly appreciate your thoughts!
@@krackpot_ I've been using FreeNAS for two years now on a 4 core atom with 2 drives for two years now, haven't had any storage issues, but I am feeling the freebsd limitations when trying to mess with VMs and containers.
@krackpot Sorry, thought I mentioned what I went with above. I'm no expert like Wendell...in fact I'm probably 0.01% Wendell! I would say your choice comes down to your previous knowledge, the time you can invest and how important your data is. If you have advanced IT knowledge, TrueNAS will scratch that itch and you'll be well suited. If you don't want to know about the nuts and bolts and just want data storage, I'd go with Synology.
Unfortunately the decision is more based on what you know about yourself, than I know - and I know nothing about you! It's a little like someone saying, "I want a car, what car should I buy?", without first knowing what you want to do with the car (commute, race, etc.), or whether you want to get your hands dirty or have something with low maintenance. Hope that helps!
@@bikerchrisukk for some reason I thought you had used both and ended up with truenas. Although I don’t know you, was just curious how you ended at that decision. Was it some killer feature that one had over the other that tipped the scales? I like hearing different perspectives especially from people who have tried both as they have different insights that help inform my decision making.
@@TheAnoniemo I dug my old machine back out with freenas and have been toying with it. At this point I want to simplify administration so I’m at the crossroads whether to stick it out with free/truenas or just go the “easy” way with synology. I don’t know if it really matters these days anymore, but ZFS still seems like the champ. I even kitted the machine with ECC. Now that the 1821+ has ECC, it’s a harder decision...
Every time he tosses up a piece of hardware I feel like it's a shot at Linus...
Wendell Drop Tips
I'm not sure if it's really a shot over the bow considering this pile of hardware is nearly $1,000
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Awesome, I got two of the rackmount dual psu versions of this NAS on the way. I ordered the 10G dual NVMe card for them to. Cant wait to set them up and start testing.
I just got one of these for my movie collection. Flashed a UHD-Bluray player to rip my UHD disks (I don't pirate), USB-passthrough to a virtual machine, and presto. More storage than I'll probably need, exceptionally quiet for what it is, and so easy to work with the virtual machines.
The only downside is that Synology claims that you have to use their ludicrously overpriced RAM but there are several manufacturers that sell compatible RAM. Just be a bit careful with what you buy.
This device is great.
I'm running a 1512+ since 2012 or 2013, and it's stills running great. Most of the drives have died by now, but that's basically expected after years, even with NAS drives.
I'm actually surprised they are stills providing security updates occasionally, even if they don't provide feature updates for maybe 2 or 3 years now.
If it dies someday, the new one is probably a Synology again, if I can afford it.
Same here. Have 5 X 6GB WD Red Pro drives in it. (Had 2TB drives initially then went to 4TB and last the 6TB). Just purchased a DS1821+ and have 3 X 18TB WD Red Pros on order. (Sucks that they aren't in the Official Synology Compatibility list though). Will also be upgrading to 32GB RAM (Not Synology though. Not paying 4 X the price for something that is probably made by the same people that make the Kingston ECC Ram I am going to put into it. Same goes for the 2 NVME M.2 drives I will be installing. Not sure why Synology thinks they can slap their name on something and then charge 4 times the industry standard price?). Will continue to use my DS1512+ as the main backup. I also still have a CS407 that I use just for video storage. That must have been running since about 2008 or so. I think that's where 4 of the 2TB drives ended up?
you've lost multiple NAS disks in 10 years? did i get really lucky or should i be really woried? because i have lost 1 internal and 2 external non NAS disks in 15 years
"Rocking an OCZ Agility 3?... these have all died"
Me: Still rocking an OCZ Agility 3......
I'm a filthy casual that pretends to know what's going on in these advanced user uploads!
I will stand next to you in the filthy muggle section while not drawing attention to either of us.
idk :) synology is pretty user friendly :) maybe iSCSI ... isnt for filthy casual :D btw. i am running my servers and VMs on Proxmox with ZFS. Cheaper and maybe better than VMware (i hate vcenter :D)
Great, thanks dude, the worlds going to crap AND now I gotta live in fear for the 240GB Agility 3 in my workstation too :P
thanks i really liked this review with all the detailed explenations. i'm considering buying this one and your review certainly is making the decision easier.
Hey Wendell, more and more sources claim that Ryzen's ECC doesn't actually work for one reason or another and the BIOS just says it does. After looking into it, would you be willing to test for ECC actually working with deliberate errors?
Supposedly it fixes the bit errors, but there's no reporting through the chipset.
From what I can tell, it’s on the motherboard developer (Synology in this case) to implement it. I’m sure that if they’re advertising the capability, they’ll make sure it works. That would be a hell of a lawsuit opportunity otherwise.
my ds214se from 2013 is still running great.
I had two of those OCZ 60GB SSDs in raid 0, good times..
A big question here: could use this PCIe slot for a low power GPU card? To help in transcoding and VMs? Like my Quadro P2000 ? Can you make a video how to make it if it possible. Thanks a lot for all your videos
Thank you for a great overview. It was running amazingly quiet! How many drives were installed during that sound level check? And which drives - the WD Red Plus?
Its time for Synology to move beyond 1Gbps NICs for devices this expensive.
This. Also, including 4gb of RAM is absolutely embarrassing.
At a minimum it should be 2.5 Gbps.
@@Bob_Smith19 100%. It is frustrating they don't have 10gbit by default for larger drives but I do not understand why they don't at least have 2.5gbit nics as they are popping up on all kinds of devices.
That's the only qualm I have with their models. Hardware lacking in just about every price range. Also got bit by the atom c2000 SDS a few years back
@@Bob_Smith19 10 gbit or bust, it's fine to match Enterprise, there are tons of amd socs with 10 gbit
The moment when Level1techs holds up the same drives I bought years ago without actually looking them up and knowing that they both died on me.
I had an OCZ agility 3 60GB drive that was my first ever SSD. They are still a beast compared to any HDD available at the time, though I eneded up replacing it for a larger capacity samsung drive a few years later, and that samsung one failed!, went back to the agility 3 while it was being RMA'd
7:28 -- Synology's E10M20-T1 is an incredible L1tech's "cheat code" 👍
With dual m.2 cache plus 10Gb/s RJ-45 😎
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
Nice hardware would like to see more of these in theory or Server builds on channels to show actual implementation. i.e. running all the software and performing tasks
That's were I get excited 😉
Fair enough! Thank you for the input. I would recommend this video from us :) th-cam.com/video/emjoM-8zGdo/w-d-xo.html ~ Editor Amber
Great video. I really wish there was an equivalent rack-mount version of this. There is the RS1221+ but it lacks the 2 built in m.2 slots
Probably lacks SHR as well
Still only cache for the M.2 slots? I want to run DSM from the M.2's and only use the spinning rust volumes for backups and such.
I had to add two 2.5" SSDs to my 918+, create a separate volume for them and then via SSH do some magic with mdadm to remove DSM from the spinning disk volume and on to the SSD volume. DSM complains about it, but I can just ignore it.
Would love for Synology to let me choose on which volumes DSM is running and where application data is installed. Currently it will be placed on the first volume you create during initial setup and DSM will be mirrored to all volumes you install after that.
Good thing it's using mdraid under the hood and not some proprietary stuff!
Thanks for this. Good video. Would love some insight to the CPU and how it compares to previous models which support GPU acceleration for Plex.
Thought we had the manscaped sponsor for a sec there
First thought I had when hearing that intro
I still have one of those OCZ drives for random junk. 15 reallocations, 20+ TB written, 23247 hours and counting :)
Given my experience with other sandforce drives I'm honestly surprised it's tugging along as well as it does even with dead blocks
@4:00, that's a really big piece of misinformation! In the US at least, it is illegal for them to deny a warranty for opening or modifying a device unless they can show that it is what caused the failure.
So you do not lose your warranty for shucking a drive to use internally.
If someone has issues getting WD or Seagate or whoever to warranty a shucked drive, if they namedrop the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act you should quickly see them change their tune.
Also if you save the husk (the external drive parts), you can often put it back in the shell and not have any issues at all.
Just FYI - I shucked 4 x 4TB Western Digital HD's - two of them failed but only after I'd got rid of the enclosures. I RMA'd the bare metal drives back to WD and got two replacements sent out with enclosures. My argument then and now is that it was the drive that failed, not the enclosure, which is after all just a SATA to USB 3.0 conversion PCB and power switch plus plastic box.
Great overview. I am considering the 1621 or this 1821+. I am a little concerned about the lack of transcoding for plex. Is it possible to run a nuc with the nas across my network? I have Unifi UDM Pro and a 24 PoE Pro. A video on this set up would be welcomed. Thanks again. Glad I found your channel.
Just want to point out that the 10G/SSD e10m20‑t1 DOES NOT work with DS1821+. It’s not on the compatibility list and I can also confirm it.
I love this guy. Solid knowledge.
I'm surprised that they didn't do a V1605B processor. Maybe in one of the beefier appliances? Any chance you could do a performance review? Eg. HFS+ network share for a 500GB+ OSX Photos library :-D
Thank you for this review. please do you know what is the maximum M.2 NVMe SSD capacity the Synology DS1821+ can handle?
Going to try backing up an old Netgear NAS to my small Synology DS920+. The Synology has Nvme cash (2) and the Netgear Rx626 has 10gbe.
Hmm, yeah all „prepared“, but very expensive.
A good PC dealer or IT-friend, would build you an easy to use NAS for much less and more power and possibilities. Here in Germany the cheapest Synology shown by Wendell is about 1K€! And OpenMediaVault or an Xpen... ;-) is also easy to use.
Great review anyway, but the cost factor came too short.
Cheers, ThePeperich
The 14 WD Easystores are actually WD Ultrastar DC drives. Shucking is the way to go
I have this in my house. It’s awesome
Would like to see a plex transcoding friendly version of this 8 bay NAS.
I have the 5 bay DS1019+ and it's really great, But in future I would like a larger 8 bay NAS without needing to get an expansion unit.
3 things I would like to see in a future product if Synology is watching.
1. At least 2.5GbE ports, Time to move on from 1GbE NAS especially on these high end models.
2.CPU that can transcode Plex
3.Put a few strips of felt tape in the packaging for people to noise dampen the hdd's, Wouldn't cost much. I found by using felt tape and then sliding drives into the NAS, It has solved all vibration noise coming from the enclosure, Also I cut some small felt tape squares and stuck it onto the bottom of the NAS rubber feet, It's as silent! as you can get it to be. ;)
Are you covering Asustor NAS units anytime soon Wendell? I'm specially interested in its multiplatform streaming thing and they seem to have tons of apps and features as well.
What Cameras would be good with this??
I broke down and purchased this and 2 Micron MTA18ASF2G72HZ-2G6E1 16GB DDR4-2666 ECC SODIMM’s, a Mellanox MCX312B-XCCT CX312B ConnectX-3 EN Pro 10GbE SFP+ Dual-Port PCIe NIC and 2 500gb 970 evo plus nvme drives.
I think it was such an omission that this didn't came out of the box with 10GBe. Wanted to get one, but will pass until they have one at similar price with the m2 nvme and 10Gbe. Hopefully they release something this year. Hopefully with hardware encoding for plex!
Looking forward to testing DSM 7.X on this unit
By any chance, will you have a video with the 10Gbe up anytime soon? I’m wondering what the file transfer performance is on this thing. Would it be able to handle video editing? Thanks
Hi Wendell,
Will you be syncing your videos to Odysee.com aka LBRY ...?
They seem to be avoid it for some reason. Lots of people have been asking them to host over there as well.
@@stranger7968 Oh.. OK :) Could be because they're on Floatplane too but I don't really understand how it will compete for views long term. Floatplane's paywall is insane...
@@Dzinglazz It doesn't and nor does it require any additional time beyond configuring initial sync with TH-cam. However, Wendell did say that they might be hosting a few Peertube instances. Wonder what the status of that. Do you have an update for us, @Level1Techs
I bought a 1815+ back when it got reviewed here.
It died last week.... Now a review for the new model. Coincident?
PSU died?
@@mauritsl84 the psu died a while back and I replaced it, this time it was the c2000 atom bug that killed it. It's now running again after I soldered some resistors to the mainboard to counter the voltage dropoffs, but that won't last long. Going diy now with freenas or similar.
OH and the psu is also faulty again but can be supplemented with an atx psu.
@@deinemamainhd yes the atom bug is terrible. Truenas is nice. I run it as a backup for my synology. 6x6tb in mirrored vdev (raid 10 like).. i run freenas for 3 years now and rock solid. Had some performance issues with the last version. 10GBe was slow but fixed in U2 after creating a ticket. Good service from the community and ticketsystem. My Ds3018xs psu also died but easy replacement.
Thanks for your informative videos. Can you kindly make a video comparing the DS1821+ vs the DS1819+.
THANK YOU!
Wendell, I'm on the fence between Synology devices. Maybe you could help me make a decision ... between the the DS1621+ and the DS1520+. I like the reviews I see about the DS1520+ (w/ the Intel cpu) ... but I really like the Ryzen cpu and ECC RAM in the DS1621+. I recently built myself a desktop with the Ryzen 5 3600, absolutely love that machine. I know it's not the latest and greatest that Ryzen offers, but it will do everything I need ... and then some! I don't think I need the 6 bays that come on the DS1621+, but it doesn't look like they make a 4 or 5 bay model in their Ryzen line-up. I guess I'm just wondering if the Ryzen version is better than their Intel DS1520+?? Thank you very much!
The extra bay could come in handy if you have a disk failure. You can add the replacement disk without taking out the failing disk. Much safer that way?
Unfortunately steely, some of the WD Red drives have SMR. I didn’t know about SMR at the time and ended up buying three of them and my NAS slowed to a crawl randomly.
Do it on cheep ;) Odroid H2 + USB3 orico 5 bay. I know 150MB/s is slow but good enough for docker app + backup. Main disk get backup and move it nightly on rest disk + off side backblaze (pictures only) so it cost much. One downside it has to be maintenance sometimes upgrades make you figure what is wrong now, but it's linux you can do almost everything, it take time but it's working.
I bought this for security off my network when I remote in and software. Synology SHR is perfect not having to upgrade all drives to see increased hdd capcity... I an sure true nas is great but already have two 24 bay unraid servers for local stuff.
My DS918+ is shaking in it's...chassis, I guess. I do want more bays...
Xpenology. Have all the bays in the world :P I own DS416play and quite like it. Wish it wasn't so pricy back then for the hardware we get.
@@stranger7968 yeah Synology's very much in the Apple way of making money, you pay over the top for the HW because the SW is free. I like the HW form factor though, just buy one, slap disks in & go. There's enough to setup & play with in the SW to keep me plenty busy!
Do you want the $1,000 price tag?
@@AgentLokVokun Well if you're offering I'll take one for free 😁! They are pricey, but they are a great integrated system, it's the Apple mentality really.
@@HOkayson ou can have one for free but I also might have a bridge I can sell you on the side.
Real talk tho. These things are a nice appliance. But if anything besides the HDDs go bad (for the most part) you'd be dead in the water.
PSU failures on these devices are more common then you'd think. But finding a replacement isn't easy or cheap unless it's under support.
I've *heard* that WD drives that are shucked can be warrantied like usual. WD is well aware these are shucked all the time and don't invalidate any warranties. I've even heard you don't need to put them back into their original enclosure. At least this is from anecdotal claims from r/datahoarder
Can you do pros and cons of a custom built alternative to this ?
Would love it if you can get your hands of the DVA3221 the one that does 'smart' IP camera monitoring
Cant I buy Synology DS1821+ and buy M1 Mac Mini and use DS1821 just for storage and stream through mac from DS1821 to transcode off mac?
Excellent video
oh bit-rot...maybe I'll just copy all of my bits onto sticky notes that I throw into a closet, that should do it
_engagement_
Can I connect multiple synology stations together? Can I use regular non NAS HDDs in them?
How is the Synology client on Pop!_OS 20.1 (similar to Ubuntu 20.1)? I have heard there are issues getting the Synology drive client to work with the latest Ubuntu releases. One of the reasons I am switching from Drobo to Synology is because of the client Linux support. Drobo’s work with Linux but the Drobo dashboard is only available for MacOS and Win. Drobo never attempted to support Linux OSes.
I have an old 4 years old synolgy box that had a defective sata riser whilch made it inoperative. Try to find replacement from synolgy as its out of warranty. Synolgy hq dont sell support and pushing to local agent which dont support only sale of new unit. Therefore dont buy synolgy anymore as they dont even had hardware spare support
I didn't know about the potential savings by ripping a drive out of an external enclosure. That actually really sucks because the enclosure is just going to end up getting tossed. Maybe the HDD manufacturers should consider selling no/low warranty bare drives at those lower prices.
People are already extremely confused about the product lines as they are.
Selling a piece of electronics new with no warranty would be a shot in the foot when people are outraged by it.
The only thing I really care about is this: Will this be powerful enough to Plex direct play a 4K blu-ray rip (bit for bit identical as disc, no handbrake) to my NVidia Shield?
To Noctua fans right from the box original ones has been changed ! ☺️
Is it true that with some of Synology Nas like the RS and some DS, they only except Synology hard drives?
I'd rather not support a brand that just started vendor locking their drives. Synology is worse than apple.
Synology did this to new enterprise models because Synology is the vendor that will be supporting the hardware. This kind of hardware is generally not purchased without a vendor plan. In response Synology needs to be certain that they can service the hardware they sold you. This is standard practice in the enterprise world. IBM and Dell are doing the exact same thing.
If you put disel into your gasoline car, you will loose warranty. Same idea.
This is basically the response to the HDD shenanigans mentioned in the video. Synology was getting a ton of senseless support requests because HDD vendors were doing BS that was outside their control. Can't really fault them for that to be honest. Also if you had payed attention you'd know that this only applies to the Enterprise line of devices.
Only applies for now
@@Bob_Smith19 then be mad when and if they do it to consumer market.
Can you replace the Ryzen cpu?
What's the difference between NAS rated hdd like iron wolf and a surveillance rated hdd?
Can you make a video about mirroring synology nas to another synology nas? There are quirks about mirroring home folder and setting up tc if you choose to connect them over vpn.
Durability, reliability, temp control, .etc are not the only reason you should use NAS drives and not Desktop drives. Desktop error recovery control is not time-limited like NAS and Enterprise drives that can rely on the RAID controllers to deal with error-correction. Because desktop drivers can take longer, it can fool the RAID controller into thinking the driver has gone offline while its doing its thing (and this does happen I have seen it when desktop drivers are used in a RAID config). Pretty sucky when drives disappear from a RAID volume, not because they are bad, but they just needed to take a breath.
Hello, great video, well I am new with this NAS thing, I want to buy the same model, DS1821+, and I want to populate it with 8 14tb drives... but I have a question... Is it also necessary to populate it with the SSDs NVME??... Thanks.
You can always addd the NVME SSD's later. They are not for storage they are for cache. I understand they produce quite a performance boost.
Hmmm. VMware VSAN witness. Been there, played with it on my Synology, not super impressed. Better off with shared storage, NFS or ISCSI and just pointing your hosts to it. My test environment at work is using an NFS share. Still not a fan of VSAN. I've already lost VMs to it in a 3 host cluster because two drives failed on the same host over the weekend. Shared storage configured properly would have been better off. Nicely though, Synology active backup for business saved the day. I still want my VFLASH back though!!!
Want it, cant afford it, sad it doesnt have the iGPU variant of Ryzen for transcoding
You can turn any old PC into a a Synology box. Search for Xpenology.
I have an OCZ Agility 3 still going strong
Please do a tutorial on RaspPi and homeLab on Synology!
Great review, thks
06:07 It doesn't offer you SHR or is that clip from another Synology model?
6:40 magic of this ssd?
But can it ZFS ? if not thats why i have none of these
Is BTRFS an option with RAID5? ( I had read a few times that RAID 5/6/50/60 and BTRFS were still not entirely 'production ready'/stable....)
It doesn’t run in BTRFS raid 5. It runs each drive stand-alone in BTRFS and then uses MDADM to make a hybrid RAID5 of the drives. So you get the benefits of BTRFS without the potential downfalls. This configuration can be replicated in any Linux if your system dies and you want to get the data off.
Can I run 2 4k movies on at the sametime on Synology DS1621+
only a few minutes into the review as of this comment, but the one thing that keeps coming to mind its a known thing that companies tend to drop proper support most consumer NAS models after 2-3 years tops. which just undermines the whole point of buying a pre-built NAS frustratingly. my personal experience reflects this too, whatever drives you use are almost guaranteed to outlive the NAS past its usable service life.
Bought my first Synology NAS in 2011 (yes 10 years ago), an entry consumer level. Last DSM (Synology's OS) update took place less than 4 months ago. Last app update was 2 days ago. Maybe "companies" tend do drop "most" consumer NAS model support, but SYNOLOGY doesn't.
10:23 --- Atom C2000 frying out, a beneficial reminder / PSA.
Proprietary NAS's are a hard sell . . . They necessitate having on-hand and at-the-ready a secondary, identical scavenger machine in case the primary machine build fails. There's no replacement process for broken components or failed parts on any reasonably timely basis.
Kindest regards, friends.
that's some serious business.
4:00 Actually Western Digital at least will honor the warranty on shucked drives. Byte My Bits, someone who does a bunch of Plex and Unraid videos, sent in a failed WD white label drive he shucked and they honored it. It makes sense too because at least in the US they have to prove what you did to it was the cause of failure, and simply removing the drive from its enclosure would not kill it.
Thanks.
I wanna get this NAS to replace my unraid with i7 2600 and ECC ram gonna be awesome. I had a few memory issus with my i7 2600 and crashing my server >.
Awesome, now I just need to win the lottery.
speaking of offsite backups, I wonder how well those usb sticks stored in the banks safe deposit box have held up without being powered on for a year ... damn human malware.
"Using this a a Linux computer" It supports NVME cache and ECC memory - I would install Linux + ZFS on it, and use it that way. The format factor is sweet and I do not give a hoot about web interface or Synology apps.
No mention of the crazy loud fans on this unit. Beware, mine went straight back because of the noise.
I thought this was a review on the DS1821+ not on what hard drives I need?
I shucked anyway and yolo'd. Drives are working fine well past warranty now.
Be very careful about SSD type. The usage by synology beats the shot out of them. Friends with Samsungs thinking those are great on the desktop killed them in months in their synology boxes. Use the compatibility list.
i will not buy a Synology nas ever again now when they are going vendor locking drives..
I should get a new ssd as he just mentioned my is drive in my computer. At least I don't save my Data on it but on HDDs.
Nice just the video I need. Looking for a NAS, but maybe the little brother of this one the DS1621+ is better for my uses... And it's cheaper. But great video :D
Might want to reconsider unless you endorse vendor locked drives ofc.
@@axiom1650 How? Doesn't every drive work with Synology?
@@Rothkeen On their soho gear they started to only allow 'Synology' branded drives. The community should send a clear signal that that is not ok.
@@axiom1650 weird that Windell don't mention it. He is using WD disks.