How the Vault Could FIX Minecraft 1.21’s Biggest Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มิ.ย. 2024
- The minecraft 1.21 update is looking fantastic so far with so many great new additions like the crafter and the trial chambers. Speaking of those trial chambers though, in a recent snapshot Mojang added a brand new block to them known as the vault. While on the surface, the vault just looks like a cute little addition, I personally think this has the potential to fix minecraft’s biggest problem due to how it works in multiplayer. So join me as I discuss how the vault can fix my problems with the netherite template in update 1.21!
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As you seem to be unaware, they have mentioned both the Vault and Spawner are not specifically designed for the Trial Chamber, so there is a very good chance they will show up in other structures whether in this Update or a future one. Both on the official youtube channel and on twitter. Everything you said in this video is their exact purpose.
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Vaults in the trial chamber should be renewible
@@PiyanistMC what?
@@catsdogswoof3968 why?
that said I still really like the idea having new and unique ways of needing to acquire a key for specific structures, it reminds a little of the biome chests from terraria, where you find the chest early in the game but never get to unlock it until way later when you eventually get a key
kingbdogs said that while they're focusing on trial chambers for this update, they are open to the idea of adding vaults to other structures in the future
i dont think they will. if they will add them they would probably make exclusive new structures. and if they add it to the end they would probably add it with a end update.
1.21 is clearly the most ambitious update in a long time. From the crafter, to the vault, to the wind charge, redstoners are gonna have a field day
Nah not really
why
Ambitious? I'd say they're running out of options. I clearly remember someone saying they'll never add autocrafting, but here we are.
@@noelka8134 I could agree with that. Maybe if they listened to the community more the updates would be better…
@@BrianCannan-em1nk yea, i think they would. There's a reason why some people compare Mojang to RE-logic, these guys are making pretty good updates with many things based on community feedback. And also they aren't trying to rush an update every year.
I think that if they do add vaults to bastions and endships, they should definitely make those vaults a different texture to make them not seem out of place.
I love this idea so I hope someone at Mojang sees this and shows it to the main developers
Maybe for each vault there should be a specific way of opening it (like the way it works with keys, but instead of trial keys, other items), because I don't think it would be very fun to go and find a trial chamber just to get the key to open the vault that has the elytra in it. I think that is such a bad way of artificially extending the game's progression and it would turn out to be more an inconvinience than a fun challenge.
@@khakigamesdev yeah there is probably going to be a key for each structure it's in.
Like having a trial spawner that spawns shulker boxes which would make it so you can loot one end city multiple times.
Or a spawner that spawns pigling brutes.
Don't he dare slander the template
your feelings are irrational
different vaults for different dimensions, with different keys
Side note about the Vault, it's all data related. Both the loot table it'll drop and the key requirement is saved data. Meaning, they can set the key requirement to be air (no key) easily enough or even just any random item (end rods, sticks, etc) and change the loot accordingly. It was also brought up that it was built like this for the intention of eventually moving these blocks into other structures if the feedback is highly positive as they do want to fix this multiplayer issue.
I actually really like the idea of the key just being a random item.
Like, "welcome to the End Ship! You want an Elytra? Bring me... glazed yellow terracotta."
here's my idea: make the key a dragon egg, and make dragon eggs renewable. you'd have to fight the dragon each time before getting a new elytra which seems like a fair balance.
edit: just realized duping gravity blocks is super easy 💀
maybe instead it could be an eye of ender. there's already a good chance you'd be going to the end with a couple spare eyes on hand, and they're easy to make in the end if you have blaze powder
@@tomdekler9280pffft- that also seems like a good way to make an adventure map
Honestly, if someone is that determined and has enough patience to hold left-click for 5 minutes just to do "a little trolling", +1 respect to them.
Ever heard of 2b2t players?
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30 hours to break it and then i would respect
@@Hithere-uz6wd
You seem to underestimate the determination of trolls.
They could also make different styled vaults and keys for different areas. Like a piglin key for a piglin vault.
i like this idea, but it would probably result in unnecessary inventory clutter. idk how they'd work around that. maybe somehow they can code it so vaults and keys have different textures based on the dimension or biome they're in? they did that with frogs already so it seems possible. the only issue i see with that is combining keys together. would they be unstackable with each other, or would they all just merge into one color variant?
@@duckified.mojang should just add an extra row to the inventory, there doesn’t need to be some special item like a backpack
@@michaelelischer1565 Adding an extra row to the inventory would be a bad idea, it would break the game
@@EmperorPenguin1217 no it wouldn’t. Care to elaborate?
@@michaelelischer1565 Yes it would. It would ruin PVP by breaking the balance of storage and you can already expand your inventory by progressing through and getting shulker boxes.
Trying to solve the inventory "problem" (Which doesn't exist) by adding another inventory slot is like adding more lanes to fix traffic.
You really found your groove with these videos. You’re becoming one of my inspirations if I start taking TH-cam more seriously.
Piglin bartering for a key would make sense but I am not sure if I would like it if the dragon were to drop some. Imo the current trial keys could work in the other vaults you described too. It would make the trail chambers more worthwhile in the late game. The current loot is more early/ mid game stuff but taking the trial keys with you to unlock netherite templates or an elytra would change that and at the same time reward exploring and keep getting these powerful items very challenging without increasing the luck and frustration factor because the structures are giving the items 100%
Yeah, as is you’re going to end up with lots of the trial keys since the chambers are designed to be fought multiple times but you only get to use each vault once. If they supplied keys that work for every vault in the world, getting more keys beyond the first time would actually have a use. You’d just have to go to a trial chamber before going to the structures with a vault or mark down any vaults you find to come back later. You could maybe add the keys to chest loot in the related structures but just make sure that they remain renewable only through the trial cuambers
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Odyssey on the Hermitcraft server would be an interesting dynamic for sure, as I’ve never envisioned him as a “Hermitcraft-style” TH-camr. Odyssey tends to make video-essays over let’s plays, so it would be neat to see how it goes.
Good ? How can someone tell that ?
He would never enter it though since he isnt a primarily minecraft youtuber and doesnt do letsplays AFAIK
Kingbdogz has said that they are open to adding vaults to other structures but they would require some tweaks. Additionally the change log of the snapshot that added the Vault specifically alludes to the possibility of other keys, most likely for different types of vaults for each structure.
Normal people: Ranking every track in mk8dx
Odyssey: Ranking every 2D Mario level
Can't wait for him to rank every korok seed in BotW
He is working on an 8dx ranking, but it's secondary to other projects & School
He actually already did rank every cup in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
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Can’t wait for him to rank every item in terraira
I’m making this comment on February 15. The skeletons that shoot poison arrows are now the Bogged. They are a new mob and can spawn from trial spawners and can be found in swamps and mangrove swamps.
These sound like great changes, especially the bastion one. The piglin brutes would make great vault guards. I hope these happen at some point.
I'm REALLY excited for the vault too! It can be a GAME CHANGER! I'm glad I'm still playing Minecraft to this day.
i actually like the concept of making the keys only obtainable from trail chambers while vaults spawn in other structure this will gives use to the excess keys you will get in trail chambers additionally it will make the structure more important
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i had no issue with upgrade templates but the multiplayer issue is a thing - i really hope they consider adding vaults to other structures; be it only for important guaranteed loot like upgrade templates or elytra; or just for general loot too. if it were up to me id prolly want the vaults to also give some extra random loot related to the structures so people get a little more than just an elytra or upgrade template even if theres nothing else left - heck in the end they could have a coupke shulker shells in the loot table so people can at least get a box or two even if all the cities nearby have been wiped clean of shulkers
Mojang recently added a new skeleton type called "the bogged" wich is a swamp skeleton that replaces the poison arrow skeletons
I hope that in an update Cool Bowser could come out of the vault.
Man these vids are good maybe you could rank all updates in Minecraft??
Here’s my suggestion. Instead of replacing the item frame that has the elytra. The vault could spawn somewhere else on the end ship. The elytra will still be found in an item frame. But it can also be found in a vault that spawns somewhere else on the ship. This could allow the player to get two elytras. But hey, what’s wrong with having a spare elytra. Same for the netherite upgrade template. Which can still be found in chests. But there will also be a vault right next to the chest in treasure room. Yes, this does mean the player can get more upgrade templates. But think of it as rewarding the player for going to a trial chamber. But I still think your idea of trading with piglins to get one is also good.
8:04 maybe endermen could have a very small chance to drop a key, and in addition to that, maybe each structure could have its own unique key, just an idea
This snapshot looks really fun, thx for sharing this vid
you or someone need to post this to minecraft feedback so mojang sees this its such a good idea and would be so helpful
i remember how annoying it was getting elytras when me and all of my friends kept dying and getting new ones we had to just keep going further and further and further from spawn
"I've seen people defend the phantom before. There's a lot of sickos out there."
Aw shucks, you found me.
i'm personally not a "phantom defender", i just think they're not as annoying as people say. simply sleep every 3 days, or if you're going afk, afk in a box.
slow fall potions are also cool i guess
@@duckified.Well it's likely becuase the other mobs of that vote were just so much better
Maybe you can do a video ranking the different minecraft biomes
Odyssey, Nathaniel and MrBeast all upload on the same day, pretty nice.
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Maybe they can give Vaults an NBT tag that determines which item they accept (or if they need one at all)
By default, it should be the trial key, but Vaults with different accepted item NBTs can generate in other structures.
This would also be useful for mapmakers who want to use a certain item to unlock something.
i'm pretty sure that's already a thing that's possible. in my opinion, the only thing they really need to change about the vaults if they add them to different structures is the texture. they'd look out of place in end ships and bastions.
frogs have different colors based on which biome they're born in, so it probably wouldn't be difficult to do the same for vaults.
This will really be nice in a multitude of structures, End Cities and Bastions especially. I recall you going over in your upgrade template critique that it’s hard on servers for everyone to get a template without all of the reasonable bastions being looted, so this would be a wonderful solution to the problem. Even then, it fixes my complaint about modern Minecraft features being too detached from the current gameplay loop, so making Trial Chambers a more key component to the progression of the game would make 1.21 feel _much_ more impactful. The only thing I’d change though, is the texture of the vaults between the structures.
Overall, if they go through with everything here, 1.21 will end up being one of the better updates the game has gotten!
What if Oddessy makes a Video of all Minecraft Biomes ranking
The ideas of vaults in the end ships and bastions are great, however i think it will be much better for the game for them to have specific keys that you will have to get from the trail ruins, like a key for bastions vault and a key for end ship vault
More Minecraft stuff, yesir. I always want to play Minecraft when you upload these.
Odyssey central have you ever tried using a lava bucket to raid a bastion? It basically nullifies a piglin brute without angering the rest of the piglins & makes it impossible for the hoglin to hit you if you time the placement correctly. Works in both java & bedrock.
Minecraft is becoming tf2. Lootboxes opened by single use keys, waring humanoid factions that hate each other based on color worn, explosives that allow you to jump, and bread
I'd argue Minecraft is becoming like TF2 in the bad ways too, most of the new features aren't cohesive to the game and outright violate the direction/style
@EmperorPenguin1217 wdym argue? If anyone takes 20 minutes to look at a feature and test it to see how if fits with others it's obvious. Game developers just don't care anymore. Once they get big and can start making lots of money that's all they care about.
@@EmperorPenguin1217 What
I had this idea as well, but maybe a new block that's exactly like the trial vault but with a different visual design and not requiring a key would be the best bet for the netherrite smithing template. I also think more than just the Treasure bastion should have that with the smithing template. Maybe it has a 50% chance of generating in the other Bastion types.
I have ideas for vault variants for the two other structures: netherite vault and end vault just so they fit in with the enviorment
i think that they should add dimension themed trial chambers for obviously each dimension allowing at least 2 new structures 1 for each dimension and it follows with the trial chamber theme and structure
All we need it to do is spit out a wooden pickaxe for the game to be 100 times better
I know what it Odyssey makes a video of ranking all Minecraft Biomes
@@vanessasandoval96 what does this have to do with this comment
For the elytra perhaps they could go back to work on the end city, after all, they're working on old structures right? Maybe there could be a miniboss but like, actually good compared to the elder guardian, maybe they could have one in the ocean monument dropped by the elder guardians that gives a trident or some other items.
They could also just… ya know, just make bastions a little bit more common.
Especially in bedrock.
You could make it so netherite templates are goten form brutes as a rare drop
I really think that, while mojang might not be adding a *lot* in recent updates, some of the concepts they do cook up are really smart. Genius even. (just ignore the mob votes for rn). The vault's being just their most recent w. I've been so excited for the modding potential of the vaults, you can make the challenge of the dungeons much more varied and make it so that to get the loot you *have to* engage with that challenge (and not just run past it all, get to the chest, then run back out again). This vid however gave me an even deeper appreciation for them! Really good vid :)
They could also change the texture to make it resemble the structure it's in, like having an enderman open the mouth with purple eyes and a piglin with red eyes in the bastion (also the keys as well)
I like the idea of vaults in different areas but wouldn’t take the point out of going to trial chambers? If they do have them in other areas I feel like the trial chamber would be the ONLY way to get keys. Maybe if the vaults have different loot varying on their location, so nether has nether related items, etc.
I’m actually excited for this, I play a realm with like 6 other players so looting is gonna be an issue eventually, but more so when mining in the nether which is already an issue for us so having this would actually be very cool that way the wealth is spread apart for everyone plus I mean this is a good trail for me the gang when we go out together as a team, adds teamwork and a cool spin to the gameplay, no other mode like this and I want more of it, I know sometime they get flacked for some of the new things they add but to me if they do things like this but is missing a few things to make it better then they will always get a pass for me, just boring knowing they play it waaaaaaay to safe or don’t do anything worth doing at all
I hope they add vaults to the witch hut, i can't wait im so excited
In addition to this idea, they should also add different variations of the vault for the End and Nether that require specific Nether keys (from the piglins) and End keys (from the dragon) so you can't just get a key from a trial chamber. It would also help with adventure maps.
i hope the vault would get different textures in different structures cause i feel like the spawned cage doesn’t fit all of the current structures
I would say for the end if you play Minecraft dungeon there’s a structure that you have to stay in the area and fight mobs maybe that could give you the key
Your idea is good, however, what if instead of adding the vault to other structures, add specific trial keys and vaults for a specific structure for example: the end city key or the bastion vault or maybe it doesn't have to be a key, for different structures add specific items that open the vault or special chest not necessarily a vault for every structure either
The trial chambers are probably the best structure from just a game design perspective and I hope some of its features get put into preexisting and future structures.
I don't know the mods where it's from, but in FTB Abepack there is a loot chest that has different loot for every player that opens it. If you open it, and come back later it will remember what you took or added to the chest. I think that's a way more beautiful solution than just spitting all items out after using some weird key (also someone could steal items by standing next to you)
Edit: I looked it up, the mod is called Lootr
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the jack o' lantern
The chocolate ice
This is actually a fantastic idea, multiplayer survival games like don't starve together alwo suffers from this problem, and this seems like a perfect uniqe way to fix it. Really hope mojang sees the potential and doesn't just leave it only in the trial chambers
A solution to the "vaults in various structures" problem would be custom vaults for each structure each needing a specific type of key / item.
Some examples are:
Nether fortress- wither skeleton skull (need a way to indicate)
Bastions- piglin key (dropped as you described)
End city/ships- dragon key (dropped as you describe. Likely 1 given to every person on the main island)
Also Just wanted to suggest a video idea: the topic of Minecraft's mob designs and mob AI. How its changing and what should be revisited.
I love all the ideas in this video. I will say they should keep the vault breakable in the case someone wants to make a base underground. It it were indestructible, u would just have a floating vault block in their base that can’t be broken or interacted with since u already grabbed the loot if it’s single player
Or make it obtainable with Silk Touch, but either:
A. It's useless to anyone as it is player-placed.
B. You can put items inside manually, so that anyone who wants it needs a key.
The vault is seriously an interesting thing to have added to structures that are rarer. Mojang could retexture and give new rewards for killing stuff. Like imagine a Wither key that when opened gave you a chance at new drops/progression for that boss? Or maybe a new area where you have to explore after fighting the wither for some potentially more rewarding loot!
i agree. just implement "LootR" mod into the game and no more problems with multiplayer servers. another thing with elytras as well is once a player get an elytra then they can wipe the rest of the elytras extremely easily. and then you try to find a fricking end city with a ship by foot, and every end city you found by foot is already looted. vault block makes huge amount of sense for the elytra and yeah it doesn't need any key. being able to reach there is already a big challenge by foot
I feel like that would take the challenge out of it. If it is just a right click to get, without a key. If you're new to a server, having friends that are already full netherite can make it a bit unfair to new players that don't have. But yeah, it should be guaranteed.
I think that they should make two variants of the vault the standard trial chamber ones with the key but a second block that’s the unlocked vault to be put in other previously existing structures so their mechanics aren’t changed, if they are going to make mandatory key unlocks in each of the old structures then I hope we get plenty of variants of them too as some of them are so dated and have been done so many times by the player base that it would be more annoying than anything to run the same few layouts every time
This is a really good idea.
I also love the fact that in the data you can change the item needed to open it
There's so much you can do with a system like this.
They could add a "quest" vault that keeps dispensing new loot, but asks for a different "key" after every use.
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Community Minecraft server when?
1:24 actually, it does. You just have to wait a bit, then they charge back up, spawning more mobs.
If they do put it in other structures, then they should make new vault textures and key textures, but also maybe make the different keys and vaults just different blocks/items entirely so you can’t use a trial key from a trail chamber on and end vault for an elytra
i think they should take the trial chamber concept and apply it to the woodland mansion. they are an amazing structure and barely used because once you visit one there no reason to come back to.
I think a big problem with adding vaults to bastions is the fact opening chests alert piglins. They would have to add that to the vault, which would be pretty easy though
Personally what I would change for the Piglin/Bastion vault (and maybe the End City ones as well) is making them have their own keys for their vualts instead of using trails keys that you can get by the methods you outlined so that you still have to engage with the respective areas to get the loot instead of interacting with piglins for the elytra or trail vaults.
.. that's what this video says
If they did listen to you, it would be great if they added different textured vaults for the different structures
I was on board with the vault, but apparently it can’t drop waxed lightly weathered cut copper stairs, therefore it’s bad
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Smo video idea: ranking every sub-area from worst to best
Take notes Mojang. Also this is your best video so for Odyssey.
My idea is that several structures will have a themed-vault, and you need themed-keys. You can craft these by making key templates first, to craft key templates, you need the trial key or an existing key template, a tuff block, and copper ingots (instead of diamonds), to craft the themed-key, you need to do it in a smithing table by using the trial key, the key template, and a specific block. So, for Bastion Keys, the block will be Blackstone, End Ship Keys will be Purpur Blocks, Ocean Monuments will Be Prismarine, etc.
Ehh just make it keyless
I'm already ehhhh about the amount of templates we have, adding more templates for keys in order to get to the armor trim templates so you can use your bastion key template to get a smithing upgrade template to add armor trims to your netherite. But don't forget to duplicate your templates otherwise you'll need a new key template to get a new armor trim template and template template, template template template. Template, template template template template template, template.
@@tomdekler9280 Potions and Tipped arrows says hi...
key templates, oh god... flashbacks to old terraria biome chests
@@Magicwaterz i awkwardly wave back to them and continue my unrelated tirade about how much useless bloat templates bring with them
Items that are only there to make one single other item kinda suck!
they could make the key a recipe if it had more uses like trials chambers in the nether and end but you need a key to enter and the recipe helmet shape of netherite scrap ender pearl in center and a lightning rod in bottom center and bottom right seems ok
I thought 1.21's biggest problem was that axes are always stripping wax in those trial chambers, but yeah you have a great idea there.
They could just make the bastion and end city vaults requires Trial Keys, making the Trial Chambers an essential location to visit
I like the upgrade template. If you find it in a multiplayer server you can make duplicates to give to others, so I don't think it's bad.
What if, you don't 😧
Yep i was thinking about same thing when this block was added. Perfect solution to core game problem and it would be more than miss opurtunity if mojang will nit implement something simular.
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netherite upgrade templates are incredibly easy to find ngl. me n my friend have j spent a few hours using an elytra through the nether and just hitting every bastion we saw. ended up with about a stack.
The magma spawner in treasure bastions could be a trial spawner
Imagine if they add the vaults to the end ships, only to make the end keys only spawn in the loot chests of the end cities
but dew to the code of the valt block, there is a value in the nbt tada of every valt that decides the item to open the valt with. sooo, mojang can actually make it so you can open other stracrture's valts with maybe with an item of that dimension
Not sure if this would be a good idea or not, but make netherite upgrade templates have a 25% chance to drop from piglin brutes. So if your having a hard time finding one you can go kill some brutes aswell as this would fighting them more interesting, instead of putting lava ontop of their heads as the template might burn
I think a way to fix the looting issue is if the vault could give a new item that can reroll the loot of any naturally found chest.
yeah they did mention theyll add the vaults and spawner to most structure in twitter and official vid with "some tweaks"
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I think (hot take) they remove the vaults from the trial chambers, and when you right click a vault in the end city/bastion it instead dispenses a map marking the location of a trial spawner
Yooo sup Odyssey. Great vid
I have a couple video ideas.
If u want you could remake your top 10 favorite video games.
Or u could rank every 3D Mario game. Just some ideas. Hope you have an awesome day😎
I feel like there should be different types of vaults in different structures, so that there are different keys that you need to get, yk the drill
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Why not just have keys in the chests or have pot spawns (or unique pots for the locations)
I am so hyped for 1.21
Make the trial chamber one of the only way to get keys and you actually have a reason to to it and it gives the game a progression.
wake up, honey. new odyssey central minecraft video just dropped.
I think another problem netherite has is that the time taken to obtain the ancient debris far outweighs the benefit of the netherite because of how easy it is to lose to explosions or despawning. If you watch Hermitcraft, you may have noticed that most players don't have netherite because it simply isn't worth the hassle. I think in a future update, they should add a mechanic that would allow you to protect your dropped items. Personally I think an End update would be perfect for this.