Lucifer killing 3 Archangels that had his powers is one of my all time favorite moments in DC. He one shoted all of them and then said: Having My Power and knowing what to do with it are very different things 🗿
How did CAS get abilities and plot manipulation? Wasnt there a time where lucifer defied the writer himself through sheer willpower? And abilities should def go to lucifer
what do you mean how did CAS get the ability? CAS IS the story of everything that is not the Overvoid, everyone and everything is the CAS. Defied the writer? The hell are you talking about? Where do you guys even come up with these statements, when the hell did Lucifer interact with author avatars????????? Whoever told you Lucy did that was lying to you. As far as abilities go? CAS has preadaption to anything and gives itself infinite power without losing it and Lucifer doesnt have that. Do you guys even read the multiverse map? where are the angels listed compared to the Monitors? Just want to hear you type it out on what the hierarchy map says about this so we can see where you are coming up with this stuff.
@@hostiledebatercalm tf down bro😅 One of Vertigo writers, Mike Carey said this in a qna session - " Lucifer didn't want to be my mouthpiece.....he insisted on going his own way.....my protagonist....belong to that rare subspecies of Characters who.....have their own lives off the page and move while you're not looking" Although I do think it's more of a figurative statement than a literal one
CAS no sells Lucifer because even Lucifer cant sit in the overvoid without deleting his concept. The Lucifer void is the Sea of Brahma, not the Overvoid, and Lucifer wants to go to the Overvoid so he can be deleted. Do you guys even read comics? FAX? HUGE fax yet? lol no
@@TGDarkness5351 lol your the kid here. cas is debunked being underneath the overvoid. Lucifer literally survives the overvoid and killed the dark version of the presence. Mandarkk didn’t scare the presence that never happened. Your making up statements.
fr it doesnt even make sense pressence is stronger than whole DC and his first creations where gabrial michael samael even the endless didnt exist back then lucifer and michael litt created the dc multiverse and lucifer has the will of the pressence bro even outsmarted the pressence once killed his counter part and all this without even trying CAS TDK spectre are like kids compared to celestial beings like this just remember the fight between spectre and michael michael wasnt even trying and he threw him to earth like nothing and that same michael who has the power of the pressence blasted lucifer from point blink and lucifer survived it like it was nothing
@@javaykirk2688 Its pretty clear you dont read comics;. Lucifer cried to get into nonexistence so his concept could get deleted, while CAS stood in the Overvoid without being deleted. CAS has infinite adapting power and TDK ran out of energy. TDK was killed by WW using a tiny portion of the World forge power, and that same forge was no sold by Mandrakk when the forge was at full power. You are basically just a drone and sheep who doesnt read comics and only spits out what he prefers to win. Facts scare you.
@@javaykirk2688 I hope you are kidding. THE CAS wrapped over the ENTIRE flaw of existence, past, present, and future of the DCU. Its story itself, included in that story is TDK and Perpetua. Explain how TDK makes CAS his victim when CAS gives itself infinitely more power in fights and can pre-adapt to future threats while TDK cant do either of that.
Cap here’s why perpetura has the power to destroy creation and everything outside of it so even the family and Tdk beat her also there’s isn’t a dimension beyond 6th besides outside of the multiverse which again prepetura has the power to destroy so…
Btw cas>overvoid still Coz in the starting of fight between mandrakk and cas Cas stated to be an ultimate s.o.s which is story of Superman He represents all concepts and stories of dc And overvoid actually defenseless against s.o.s actually he can't destroy it So simply cas >overvoid
1) CAS never stated that Mandrakk was stronger than him. 2)”the heat of 10 billion suns” it’s not actually any powers. It’s a Metaphor, which Mandrakk used against CAS. Grant Morison used this metaphor for superman comics several times. 3) Nil it’s a place, where Monitors could guide and made stability for Multiverse through the Over-Monitor (Overvoid). Monitors could connect and detect some new stories by Overvoid itself. If u don’t trust me, then CAS even stated in comics that he had pushed Mandrakk into the Overvoid, not NIL’S DEEP. 4) Mandrakk didn’t die. He appeared in comic issues “Unexpected 2018”. He was sentenced into the Dark Multiverse, where Barbatos chained him. 5) CAS didn’t die. He just completed his mission. Probably, once day he will appear in Comics again.
the only way you stomp CAS fans is by straight out lying about what the CAS did, is, and could do. Lying is the only way your side wins. CAS has pre adaption to everything before its a threat and gives itself infinitely power energy to fight while lucifer doesnt have that power. Lucifer is also listed below the monitors in power and scope, and the CAS is everything not the overvoid. All your side can do is lie about stuff to make it seem like you win arguments.
@@royaltrh5671 The one where CAS is stated to have infinite adapting power to anything before its a threat and when CAS gave itself infinitely more power during a fight without losing any. Did you read the comic?
@@javaykirk2688 TDK ran out of energy in his fight and was killed by a fraction of the power of the World Forge. Depowered mandrakk took the full force of that same forge and no sold it. You dont read comics. Please stop spreading misinformation
If you read the comic which most dont, the void is called the Sea of Eternity, which is Pralaya's void. the Overvoid isn't the same void as Pralaya, its way above the Sea of eternity and a place no thing can go. Just that most scalers and fans are clueless fools who dont read comics to know better.
Are you really saying CAS is the creation of the monitors when the damn comic shows you a giant panel of them calling it a total mystery and was there before they were? Do you guys even read comics?
@@javaykirk2688 CAS has infinite adapting power and lucifer doesnt. CAS has the ability to give itself any power it needs infinite times and never runs out of energy, Lucifer runs out of energy and cannot just give himself more. CAS loomed in nonexistence in the Overvoid, while Lucifer whined and cried about needing to send himself to nonexistence so even the idea and concept of himself gets deleted, and the duality of him and the Presence goes too by force, so the Presence gets deleted in the Overvoid too but CAS withstands it. So you basically have no idea what you are talking about.
@@hostiledebater Lucifer took overvoid like nothing lol. CAS couldn't even defeat mandrakk who is equal to barbatos. Plus, being able to adapt requires time to do so and strategy>adaptation. Lucifer beat gods just by outsmarting them and killed couples of archangels just by raising his hand lol. Oh, and let's not forget that Lucifer survived an explosion that was capable of destroying the DC omniverse. So yeah, compared to Lucifer CAS is fodder my guy.
@@javaykirk2688 Lucifer never went to the Overvoid, its the Sea of Brahma, thats not the Overvoid. did you read these comics? Next, you said CAS needs time to adapt is funny. ITS PREADAPTION BEFORE ITS A THREAT, and you've made up that CAS needs time when the comic directly said it doesnt need time. Dont forget the Pax Dei are stronger than Lucifer and the couldnt put a dent in a depowered Rox Ogama at the end of the final crisis when they fired on him. Lucifer burned to a crisp from Michaels creation tier impact, also you lying again that its omniverse tier when its just Michael creation a new creation, a single multiverse for Lucifer to use. so ya, Lucifer is listed below the monitors and Yahweh is elohim, also listed on the map left side below the monitors on the map. Why are you talking about comics like this if you never read them and know nothing of them?
Mandrak killed presence and cas defeated mandrak Presence is stronger than lucifer so cas and mandrak both trashes lucifer Also cas can adapt anything he wants, if he adapt divine power then lucifer will be dead
Again that was yahya and yahya isn't Presence he is an avatar of Presence. Also Lucifer is beyond existence. I showed you that Lucifer is above The source who is above 6D being which means Lucifer exists beyond the multiverse
@Nasima Akther Overvoid doesn't even knows who cas is !! Mandrakk was more durable than cas still can't survive nill . Here nill isn't overvoid . Nill is few layer down to overvoid. Then cas also cann't survive the nill. So at the end Overvoid oneshot cas in any ways
Lucifer killing 3 Archangels that had his powers is one of my all time favorite moments in DC.
He one shoted all of them and then said: Having My Power and knowing what to do with it are very different things 🗿
Lucifer Destroys the CAS with great peace of mind
How did CAS get abilities and plot manipulation? Wasnt there a time where lucifer defied the writer himself through sheer willpower? And abilities should def go to lucifer
Abilities cause of situation adaptation
@MOM_SLIPPER Lucifer 🍷🗿
@MOM_SLIPPER True fr 🗿 irreparable
what do you mean how did CAS get the ability? CAS IS the story of everything that is not the Overvoid, everyone and everything is the CAS. Defied the writer? The hell are you talking about? Where do you guys even come up with these statements, when the hell did Lucifer interact with author avatars????????? Whoever told you Lucy did that was lying to you.
As far as abilities go? CAS has preadaption to anything and gives itself infinite power without losing it and Lucifer doesnt have that. Do you guys even read the multiverse map? where are the angels listed compared to the Monitors? Just want to hear you type it out on what the hierarchy map says about this so we can see where you are coming up with this stuff.
@@hostiledebatercalm tf down bro😅 One of Vertigo writers, Mike Carey said this in a qna session - " Lucifer didn't want to be my mouthpiece.....he insisted on going his own way.....my protagonist....belong to that rare subspecies of Characters who.....have their own lives off the page and move while you're not looking"
Although I do think it's more of a figurative statement than a literal one
Huge Fax + GOATED EDIT 🔥
CAS no sells Lucifer because even Lucifer cant sit in the overvoid without deleting his concept. The Lucifer void is the Sea of Brahma, not the Overvoid, and Lucifer wants to go to the Overvoid so he can be deleted. Do you guys even read comics? FAX? HUGE fax yet? lol no
Nice Proof Also This Is Fax
lucifer is above all crises events including cas vs mandrakk and perpetua is even above both cas and mandrakk.
@@TGDarkness5351 lol boy never read dc.
@@TGDarkness5351 lol your the kid here. cas is debunked being underneath the overvoid. Lucifer literally survives the overvoid and killed the dark version of the presence. Mandarkk didn’t scare the presence that never happened. Your making up statements.
Lucy defeating an avater of the presence is enough for 100 cas. Defeating the presence avater is like equal to destroying the hyperverse
Why was this even a debate in the first place ?
I don't even know bruh
fr it doesnt even make sense pressence is stronger than whole DC and his first creations where gabrial michael samael even the endless didnt exist back then lucifer and michael litt created the dc multiverse and lucifer has the will of the pressence bro even outsmarted the pressence once killed his counter part and all this without even trying CAS TDK spectre are like kids compared to celestial beings like this just remember the fight between spectre and michael michael wasnt even trying and he threw him to earth like nothing and that same michael who has the power of the pressence blasted lucifer from point blink and lucifer survived it like it was nothing
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Bro your English grammar gave me multiple heart attacks
Blud threatened dream and death, tanked impact of sword of presence
just one line 1 end this debt that "Lucifer is the 2nd strongest character of dc" and as i know cas is not no. 1
my favorite character is C.A.S but I agree with you in the fight C.A.S and Lucifer C.A.S was able to fight back Lucifer but Lucifer won
CAS literally floating in the place Lucifer begged to be sent to into nonbeing. Do you read comics?
@@hostiledebater CAS is TDK victim lol. He doesn't even touch Lucifer.
@@javaykirk2688 Its pretty clear you dont read comics;. Lucifer cried to get into nonexistence so his concept could get deleted, while CAS stood in the Overvoid without being deleted. CAS has infinite adapting power and TDK ran out of energy. TDK was killed by WW using a tiny portion of the World forge power, and that same forge was no sold by Mandrakk when the forge was at full power. You are basically just a drone and sheep who doesnt read comics and only spits out what he prefers to win. Facts scare you.
@@javaykirk2688 I hope you are kidding. THE CAS wrapped over the ENTIRE flaw of existence, past, present, and future of the DCU. Its story itself, included in that story is TDK and Perpetua. Explain how TDK makes CAS his victim when CAS gives itself infinitely more power in fights and can pre-adapt to future threats while TDK cant do either of that.
Lucifer is the 2nd strongest character in DC verse
Cap here’s why perpetura has the power to destroy creation and everything outside of it so even the family and Tdk beat her also there’s isn’t a dimension beyond 6th besides outside of the multiverse which again prepetura has the power to destroy so…
@@FroggieDuo
Lucifer > Endless > Perpetua
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Fax but I love both of them❤❤❤❤
Rox Ogama ate the Presence in Final Crisis...does anyone read comics anymore? lol
Btw cas>overvoid still
Coz in the starting of fight between mandrakk and cas
Cas stated to be an ultimate s.o.s which is story of Superman
He represents all concepts and stories of dc
And overvoid actually defenseless against s.o.s actually he can't destroy it
So simply cas >overvoid
Only Statement doesn't scales you.like fulcrum
@@Lightbringer910 why not bro you ignoring the fact
Cad is an ultimate sos and overvoid can't to shit to s.o.s
@@Normalguy-f8v Cas has makes by monitor and has subsequent of Superman and ultraman who doesn't have any link with sos . Xd
@@Lightbringer910 then i why he claimed himself as a ultimate s.o.s literally?
@𝘖𝘵𝘢𝘬u again self claimed doesn't scale you
1) CAS never stated that Mandrakk was stronger than him.
2)”the heat of 10 billion suns” it’s not actually any powers. It’s a Metaphor, which Mandrakk used against CAS. Grant Morison used this metaphor for superman comics several times.
3) Nil it’s a place, where Monitors could guide and made stability for Multiverse through the Over-Monitor (Overvoid). Monitors could connect and detect some new stories by Overvoid itself. If u don’t trust me, then CAS even stated in comics that he had pushed Mandrakk into the Overvoid, not NIL’S DEEP.
4) Mandrakk didn’t die. He appeared in comic issues “Unexpected 2018”. He was sentenced into the Dark Multiverse, where Barbatos chained him.
5) CAS didn’t die. He just completed his mission. Probably, once day he will appear in Comics again.
Buddy what your saying still isn’t helping C.A.S win in a 1v1 against Lucifer.
lucifer vs scp 3812
I think its pretty obvious CAS isn't as powerful as Lucifer. A better fight would be Great Evil Beast vs Lucifer.
The great evil beast is an avatar of lucifer……
@silentwraith2931 That's interesting. I never knew that.
Please make a video on lucifer+presence vs C.A.S
Day 1 of asking for Scp 7709 full power vs Cn scarlet king with psycho cruise.
Wil try
Hey bro can you do lucifer vs base superman there are persons who think base sups > lucifer
Will try
Base SUPERMAN Actually slams lucifer
Arguably>dc
@@Veni9780in ur dreams kid
@@nothing33628 pov: you definitely dont know who post/pre-crisis superman is
@@BackroomsDogeScp173 dude he is nothing in front of lucifer can erase him from reality in thought and he can recreate him in thought
Do u even need to give proof? Altho always good to be stomping on CAS fans
the only way you stomp CAS fans is by straight out lying about what the CAS did, is, and could do. Lying is the only way your side wins. CAS has pre adaption to everything before its a threat and gives itself infinitely power energy to fight while lucifer doesnt have that power. Lucifer is also listed below the monitors in power and scope, and the CAS is everything not the overvoid.
All your side can do is lie about stuff to make it seem like you win arguments.
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😍 amazing edit omg ong😮😅😅
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op edit
bro can you do black hole vs friction??
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Please do RKT vs CAS with proofs❤
CAS negs
Attempt 1: S.O.S Superman vs Lucifer
Is this video a joke? Nil was destroyed at the end of final crisis and remade by nix uotan later. The map nil isn't the original.
Bro Littery Skipped. That CAS Damaged Overviod With His Stories. Still CAS Negs All Of Them
Which panel are you talking about go read the comics bozo😂 lmao
That was mandrakk not overvoid. CAS can't even beat TDK lol.
@@royaltrh5671 The one where CAS is stated to have infinite adapting power to anything before its a threat and when CAS gave itself infinitely more power during a fight without losing any. Did you read the comic?
@@javaykirk2688 TDK ran out of energy in his fight and was killed by a fraction of the power of the World Forge. Depowered mandrakk took the full force of that same forge and no sold it. You dont read comics. Please stop spreading misinformation
Didn't lucifer merged with the overvoid
Never did
If you read the comic which most dont, the void is called the Sea of Eternity, which is Pralaya's void. the Overvoid isn't the same void as Pralaya, its way above the Sea of eternity and a place no thing can go. Just that most scalers and fans are clueless fools who dont read comics to know better.
Bro are u a fan Of Lucifer , Cause last time u said that Lucifer>>Job Burke,now u said CAS>>>Lucifer
Job Burke is literally a fodder nothing else meanwhile Lucifer is above writers even writers confirmed that 😂
Bruhh ? Where I said Cas > Lucifer ?😂
@@Lightbringer910 you are right bro absolutely right 👍
@@Lightbringer910 sorry Bhai comment type karne galte ho gaya hay
@@Lightbringer910 i mean why u said lucifer>cas while cas exists in Monitor Sphere and Lucifer exists in God sphere
One of the Strongest Creation of The Presence/Source/Overvoid > Creation of Monitor s
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Dude overvoid created presence
@@nothing33628get your fact straight
Presence birth light which is overvoid
Are you really saying CAS is the creation of the monitors when the damn comic shows you a giant panel of them calling it a total mystery and was there before they were? Do you guys even read comics?
Arent they both high outversal due to csap?
CSAP isn't always accurate, however CAS at lowest is high outerversal while Lucifer at lowest is high outerversal-boundless.
@@javaykirk2688 CAS has infinite adapting power and lucifer doesnt. CAS has the ability to give itself any power it needs infinite times and never runs out of energy, Lucifer runs out of energy and cannot just give himself more. CAS loomed in nonexistence in the Overvoid, while Lucifer whined and cried about needing to send himself to nonexistence so even the idea and concept of himself gets deleted, and the duality of him and the Presence goes too by force, so the Presence gets deleted in the Overvoid too but CAS withstands it. So you basically have no idea what you are talking about.
@@hostiledebater Lucifer took overvoid like nothing lol. CAS couldn't even defeat mandrakk who is equal to barbatos. Plus, being able to adapt requires time to do so and strategy>adaptation. Lucifer beat gods just by outsmarting them and killed couples of archangels just by raising his hand lol. Oh, and let's not forget that Lucifer survived an explosion that was capable of destroying the DC omniverse. So yeah, compared to Lucifer CAS is fodder my guy.
@@javaykirk2688 Lucifer never went to the Overvoid, its the Sea of Brahma, thats not the Overvoid. did you read these comics?
Next, you said CAS needs time to adapt is funny. ITS PREADAPTION BEFORE ITS A THREAT, and you've made up that CAS needs time when the comic directly said it doesnt need time.
Dont forget the Pax Dei are stronger than Lucifer and the couldnt put a dent in a depowered Rox Ogama at the end of the final crisis when they fired on him.
Lucifer burned to a crisp from Michaels creation tier impact, also you lying again that its omniverse tier when its just Michael creation a new creation, a single multiverse for Lucifer to use.
so ya, Lucifer is listed below the monitors and Yahweh is elohim, also listed on the map left side below the monitors on the map. Why are you talking about comics like this if you never read them and know nothing of them?
Lucifer is cringe . CAS slaps because better design
Only cuz better design 😂 , agreed. But Lucifer clap in battles
But didn't killed the presence it was the presence plan
No, he killed the even version of the presence, not the actual good presence☠.
Milk Man Superman laughing at both of them
Ww victim
@@Lightbringer910 actually not because milkman superman is himself writer of dc comics
Milkman is from final heaven at the top of creation. Nowhere near cas level.
@@Lightbringer910lol,, milk man one shot
Mandrak killed presence and cas defeated mandrak
Presence is stronger than lucifer so cas and mandrak both trashes lucifer
Also cas can adapt anything he wants, if he adapt divine power then lucifer will be dead
Again that was yahya and yahya isn't Presence he is an avatar of Presence. Also Lucifer is beyond existence. I showed you that Lucifer is above The source who is above 6D being which means Lucifer exists beyond the multiverse
Cas also exist beyond dc multiverse
Even overvoid is scared of cas
@@Lightbringer910 it makes the sense that lucifer is above presence as lucifer said presence is the source
(Correct me if I'm wrong)
@Nasima Akther Overvoid doesn't even knows who cas is !! Mandrakk was more durable than cas still can't survive nill . Here nill isn't overvoid . Nill is few layer down to overvoid. Then cas also cann't survive the nill. So at the end Overvoid oneshot cas in any ways
The presence wasn't even in the creation when taht happened also he wasn't talking about the presence
Cas>Lucifer
In your dream
@@KirumaSouichiPM in reality
@@BigG-k3e tell me how cas beat Lucifer?
@@BigG-k3e DC atom > cas
@@KirumaSouichiPM I wonder how Lucifer can defeat him if Lucifer is 2D to him
Bro so gabriel is stronger than presence?
Obviously not ! Gabriel has the flaming sword that can kill any entity in dc omniverse
@@Lightbringer910 ok
@@Lightbringer910 but bro is there any true form lucufer
@@ProGamer-qc4ofhes already on it
@@Lightbringer910 still can not kill lucifer🗿🗿
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Didn't you say Cas >luci?
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